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Speaker 2: Man, thanks for being with us on the Drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Students Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: Filling in from Dale.

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Speaker 2: Lollie, I'm Rob King. Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: What's always here to hold on the four?

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Speaker 2: Hold down the fort? This is this right over here,

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Speaker 2: This is the fort being held down. Good to have

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Speaker 2: you here, Matt, glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for filling in. Brother. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, we we spent some time together at

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Speaker 2: the Combine and I just want to get to that.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's let's I guess let's start with the

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Speaker 2: little news of the day, because there's plenty to talk

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Speaker 2: about the combine, you know, uh, I think with free

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Speaker 2: agency coming up next week and you know, the legal

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Speaker 2: tampering period, that's kind of a funny.

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Speaker 3: That's legal tampering here.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way of interesting choice of words.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, we know you're gonna tamper with.

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Speaker 2: It's the it's the legal tampering that begins on Monday,

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Speaker 2: right and then Wednesday free agency can sign. And I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people. You know, it's funny. We

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Speaker 2: were kind of having a philosophical discussion at the combine.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather have free agency first than the draft

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Speaker 2: or the draft? Than free agency? The draft you can

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Speaker 2: fill your needs with young and expensive talent, and then

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Speaker 2: you can go out of free agency and try to

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Speaker 2: you know, if you reversed it, or you can fill

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Speaker 2: it with more sure things in free agency and then

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Speaker 2: see what you can find in the draft. What do

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Speaker 2: you think of the order of things?

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Speaker 3: Quick question? Do you know the order in the other sports?

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Speaker 3: I don't. Do you know what the order is in

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Speaker 3: but baseball it's not like your second round picks when

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Speaker 3: the coming to make an impact though?

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Speaker 2: Right? Well what I mean because well, and the drafts

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the season, right right, And so I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know when the draft was for any of those leagues.

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Speaker 2: The NHL draft would be before free agency.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I see a case for both. But it's

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Speaker 3: kind of interesting, is I think the longer you wait

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Speaker 3: in free agency, the more tampering is going to happen

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Speaker 3: all the time anyway, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, there're probably is a.

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Speaker 3: Couple discussions as we speak, so they want to get

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Speaker 3: like this week's gonna be busy with little cuts here,

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Speaker 3: restructures there, you know, trades here. You know, Deebo got traded.

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Speaker 3: Things like that. A couple teams are getting their franchise

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Speaker 3: guys out of the road, you know, out of the way.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about that too. I like it the

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Speaker 3: way it is. But one thing that's interesting, because Wes

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Speaker 3: the Combine, is all of a sudden, like the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 3: all the Ohio State guys had to pull out because

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs, right, you know, like the real season

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Speaker 3: with the best teams which happen to have the best

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Speaker 3: So I was even shocked at the Combine that all

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Speaker 3: the Ohio State dudes and Notre Dame guys worked out

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Speaker 3: and a lot of them pulled out of the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of this stuff. Those guys are behind

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Speaker 3: practicing their forty until late in the process.

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Speaker 2: Right now, and make no mistake about it, they're practicing

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Speaker 2: for the combine, right, I mean massively it is. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll never forget, you know. I'm down there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'd have to move by the way, you know,

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Speaker 3: Which is insanity to me? Somebody's doing something wrong or

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, I'm sure you could do hands stretches.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard anything like it before. Milroe's hand was

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Speaker 2: And you know, talking to Dale, and of course I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, he said, look, when you see guys moving

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Speaker 3: Medical can kill you, of course. I mean there's been

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Speaker 3: many instances where players come to the Combine and didn't

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Speaker 3: I mean guys, something's bothered him for a while and

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Speaker 3: that's the original reason it was there. Certainly, the way

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Speaker 3: But I'm a big believer and I think most teams

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Speaker 3: I would make all my area of scouts, my college

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Speaker 3: something in the system that's basically finalized before the Combine.

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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and the Hula Bowl and all that

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Speaker 3: both drafts sitting there, and when you change your grade dramatically,

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Speaker 3: tell me why. And I'm not saying it's wrong. But

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Speaker 3: I was is the best example. You what Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 2: So I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna come up with

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Speaker 3: Going to look at because the coaches get involved late.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, things like that Duel Carter. Everyone's going to look

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Speaker 2: No one's going to be dissenting if they're If nobody

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Speaker 2: I didn't like what I saw. Are those guys within

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Speaker 3: Maybe? Yeah? And I want to take a step back too,

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Speaker 3: just because I do think a lot of ties get

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, So there was some news today hopefully we okay,

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Speaker 2: We need to add to what you have been in

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Speaker 2: Because I do believe they're going to potentially do something.

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Speaker 3: could wow, they did made a big move, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we can talk about receiver, and we can

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Speaker 2: talk about running back, and we can talk about defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about a lot of stuff. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about a lot as well, but first we're

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Speaker 2: going to take a break. You are listening to and

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Speaker 2: I guess watching too, right, that's what ir?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: All right, This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on this Yeers Radio network.

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Speaker 1: Least, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: show on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on this Yeer's Audio network. Filling in for Dale Lolli,

447
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Speaker 2: I'm Rob Kick along with Matt Williamson. Happy to be

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Speaker 2: here to talk a little bit of Steelers little Steelers football,

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Speaker 2: getting you a little post Combine coverage, in pre free

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Speaker 2: agency coverage.

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Speaker 3: Things are happening in the league real quick, and there's

452
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Speaker 3: a tightle wave about the hit and the free agency stuff.

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Speaker 3: And like we mentioned in the last segment, Deebo Sam trade,

454
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of little releases here and there, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the Bengals released Kappa, They're starting guard.

456
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Speaker 3: I mean like there's a lot of movement in the

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Speaker 3: works right now, and all these teams have to get

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Speaker 3: cap compliance and that's gonna be putting some trade stuff,

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Speaker 3: you know, like the Steelers. Remember when the Steelers traded

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Speaker 3: for Alan Robinson's a seventh round pick or whatever. The

461
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Speaker 3: Rams need to get rid of them, you know, I

462
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Speaker 3: mean it didn't work out great for the Steelers. There'd

463
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Speaker 3: be a lot of those kind of moves just for

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Speaker 3: cap compliancy, and the Steelers might be picking up a player.

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Speaker 2: Who yeah it is Matt is so interesting. And we heard,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the in the post season interview with

467
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Speaker 2: you know, Art Ruining the second that you know, his

468
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Speaker 2: preference was to get one of his quarterbacks, one of

469
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Speaker 2: the two guys signed in under contract. They really don't

470
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Speaker 2: have Sky the Thompson, right, but that's the only right.

471
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Speaker 3: Human being this place quarterback for us right now.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so there are three quarterbacks from last year

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Speaker 2: are all gone. I would imagine you'd have at least

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Speaker 2: one of those guys under contract before, you know, you

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Speaker 2: would think by next Wednesday, right.

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Speaker 3: I would think. But if I'm Fields or Wilson, do

477
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Speaker 3: I want to wait till Friday and just see what

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Speaker 3: offers come? Or do you take the bird in the

479
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Speaker 3: hand and you're happy here? Like it does take two

480
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Speaker 3: to tang go?

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I would think so executives have told me

482
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Speaker 2: plenty over the years, free agency means it's free for

483
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Speaker 2: the players too. Yeah, right, just you know, so it's

484
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Speaker 2: talking to somebody like, I mean, you can knock.

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Speaker 3: The socks off with an offer, of course, but.

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Speaker 2: I mean even you know, fans saying, well, a lot

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Speaker 2: of players seem unhappy with the franchise tag. Well, that's

488
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Speaker 2: because it's something the teams get to do to the players.

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Speaker 2: The players. The players don't walk in and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: franchise tag me. You know what I mean, it's not

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Speaker 2: the way it works.

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Speaker 3: So it's not a terrible deal for them because it

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Speaker 3: is guaranteed. No, I'm not saying it isn't, but I'm

494
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Speaker 3: just they don't like it, but they're they're reasons in

495
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Speaker 3: the signing, but they don't get that right, sixty million

496
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Speaker 3: dollars signing bonus.

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Speaker 2: It's out of their control. It moves them a year

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Speaker 2: closer to maybe not being able to get that big deal.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I really wanted to go back home the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: I don't like this. I mean, whatever, you had some

501
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Speaker 3: freedom in this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The point is that this is one opportunity for

503
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Speaker 2: the players to say, what's out there? At least have options,

504
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Speaker 2: let me let me shop around. Now, the risk you

505
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Speaker 2: run is, you know, for example, are the Steelers in

506
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Speaker 2: a position where they say, Okay, you know, A, if

507
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Speaker 2: you don't take this contract, we're going to sign B.

508
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Speaker 2: And now that puts a little more onus on player A,

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Speaker 2: whether that's Justin or Russell to say, well maybe I

510
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Speaker 2: kind of do like it here and want to stay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe a little bit of leverage for oh,

512
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Speaker 3: there definitely some leverage. I mean, there's only thirty two

513
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Speaker 3: starting jobs, and neither one of these guys has all

514
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Speaker 3: the power in the world. Right we don't know that

515
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Speaker 3: they're both even going to be opening a starter somewhere

516
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Speaker 3: in the league, but I like their chances considering there's

517
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Speaker 3: just a shortage right now the musical chairs. There might

518
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Speaker 3: be a team or two that was looking at an

519
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Speaker 3: empty chair. I mean, that could happen too, because the

520
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Speaker 3: draft isn't fruitful with you know, day one starters and

521
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Speaker 3: there's not a ton of options. But no, I'm I

522
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Speaker 3: hear you. I mean it's all indications. Just listening to

523
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Speaker 3: mister Rooney and Omar, it sure sounds like they want

524
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Speaker 3: that to happen pre free agency, right, which also could

525
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Speaker 3: mean the day Rogers gets released, you could sign him to.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just they're they're the way they've phrased things

527
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Speaker 3: at the podium. Hasn't been free agent necessarily, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, A true free agent like you kind

529
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Speaker 3: of can take Donald off the off the.

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Speaker 2: Board, you know, right, well, Donald, I mean you know,

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Speaker 2: I think and I'll get back to Rogers in a moment, Yeah, Donald,

532
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Speaker 2: And now Stafford off the board, you know, right, cam Ward,

533
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Speaker 2: Shudur Sanders. I mean, these guys are probably benefiting from

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Speaker 2: the fact that you know, if you're Donald, there's not

535
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Speaker 2: a ton of quarterbacks and free agency.

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Speaker 3: Someone's gonna make him a start.

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Speaker 2: Right, and you're gonna get paid a lot of money.

538
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Speaker 2: And if you're cam Ward or Shuder Sanders, I mean

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Speaker 2: I've heard people say they wouldn't go in the top

540
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Speaker 2: three quarterbacks of last year's draft, and if you're redrafted,

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Speaker 2: maybe even you could go deeper in that right potentially

542
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Speaker 2: in where they would fall in the pecking wind.

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Speaker 3: But there's a real quick rob I mean, there's still

544
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Speaker 3: some talk that the Vikings, who have a big number

545
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Speaker 3: of big power cap space, they could franchise Arnold right

546
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Speaker 3: and try to shop them right. But then they wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have a lot of free agents, like

548
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Speaker 3: they have all their corners are free agents, like you

549
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Speaker 3: don't want to tie that money up while you want

550
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Speaker 3: to go hunting for corners either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have a rookie.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people J J.

553
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Speaker 2: McCarthy waiting have to play quarterback for him.

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Speaker 3: Who's healthy? You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My point was going to be the cam Ward

556
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Speaker 2: In another year. He might not go number one. He

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Speaker 2: probably wouldn't go number one in the Y. Yeah. Yeah,

558
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Speaker 2: but there's a there's a real chance he could go

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Speaker 2: number one in this year's draft.

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Speaker 3: I think he will. I mean this history shows the

561
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Speaker 3: best quarterback almost always goes number one. And he's more

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Speaker 3: He's a better prospect than Pikett was. You know who

563
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: was the first props at twenty? You know what I mean?

564
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Speaker 3: Like last year was a ridiculous quarterback class and not

565
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Speaker 3: knowing what they all did in the pros, just what

566
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Speaker 3: I what I thought of them on their draft day.

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Speaker 3: I would take prospect version of Daniels May and Caleb

568
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Speaker 3: Williams over Ward, but I think Ward would be my four.

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Speaker 3: I'm warming up the Ward Sanders. I don't get to

570
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Speaker 3: be honest with you. Sanders would be behind Penn, X,

571
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Speaker 3: would be behind Nicks, behind McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you could read draft and would Nick Dix

573
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Speaker 2: would be in your top four probably.

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Speaker 3: Right, knowing what I know now, what I knew then.

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Speaker 2: Retrospectively, Yeah, I think a lot of us had doubts

576
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Speaker 2: about Nicks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, frankly, if this version of Knicks comes out

578
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Speaker 3: right now, he's probably first picking the draft, right and

579
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Speaker 3: I'm not even saying the superstar, but you know, he's

580
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Speaker 3: an NFL quarterback. He's over the biggest hurdle that you

581
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: could get over, you know, So.

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Speaker 2: The quarterback position, as it's always a position in demand,

583
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Speaker 2: that's always a position in which your team needs to fill.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of these teams are looking like, who's

585
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Speaker 3: the next Sam Darnold, that highly drafted top five dude

586
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Speaker 3: that didn't you know, Baker Mayfield didn't light the world

587
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Speaker 3: on fire coming out Gino Smith didn't let the light

588
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Speaker 3: the world on fire. But then they're laid in there.

589
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: Somebody resurrected him, like I'm sure some teams are like,

590
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: you think we can resurrect Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, that's good, that's a really interesting I actually

592
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: thought about him in terms of would you potentially bring

593
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Speaker 2: him in, you know, let's say you decide to go.

594
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: Just at a discount or al right, would.

595
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Speaker 2: You bring him in and say, let me see if

596
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: we can develop him, kind of like we try to

597
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: develop Justin Fields last year.

598
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Speaker 3: I don't hate it.

599
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 2: Undevelop him and then redevelop them.

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Speaker 3: Right, he can't be my answer, you know, like that's

601
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: not the answer to the problem. I'm just gonna give

602
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: it to Daniel Jones to be fine. Right, But if

603
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: him and Fields combined cost a little bit more than

604
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: Russ and you run the same offense with an athletic quarterback,

605
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: which Daniels absolutely is, and Field doesn't work out or

606
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: gets hurt, and this guy looks better than he did

607
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: with the Giants. Okay, right, you are right, and then

608
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: you have trade bait after that, or you know whatever

609
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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: To me, if I'm a team going out and investing

611
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: in a quarterback, whether it's in the draft or in

612
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: free agency with a multiple year deal, in other words,

613
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Speaker 2: tying your future of your franchise to a quarterback, and

614
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: I understand there are stop gaps, right, and I'm not.

615
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm separating I'm separating these guys. I'm separating

616
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: out the stopgap type of guys if you're going to

617
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: commit to a player, and Sam Darnold is the latest

618
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: in a line of guys like Baker Mayfield who you mentioned,

619
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Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill. But there again I would point out Matt

620
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: to me, there are far more quarterbacks who fail than

621
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Speaker 2: who because think about everything bad back, right, and think

622
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: about you know, and again there might be reasons. Right,

623
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Speaker 2: you might be gun shy now because you got thrown

624
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: into a bad position in our situation, you might, you

625
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: might have developed bad habits. But chances are that whoever

626
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: drafted you is going to give you every opportunity to succeed,

627
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: every opportunity to get all the coaching you need, everything

628
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: you could possibly get. And of course that doesn't always

629
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: happen because their livelihoods are tied to you as the

630
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: starting quarterback. If they took you, that means the general manager,

631
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: the coach, everybody's invested in you.

632
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Speaker 3: And so a lunch lady, right, yeah, I mean honestly,

633
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: like I said this all the time, people make fun

634
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: of me. I'm like the day the Steelers draft to

635
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: pick it. Everyone the gentleman that lets you into the

636
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: the parking lot where the players park. The folks that

637
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: give us, that feed us, feed us lunch, those that

638
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: mop up. They all need to be dedicated to making

639
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: pick at the best quarterback. You possibly right, it's not

640
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: their fault that he didn't. He wasn't obviously, but it

641
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: needs to be everyone in the organization in the deep

642
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: end when you have a first round quarterback.

643
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: But for that reason, few are the players who bounce

644
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: back from in comparison to those who don't bounce back

645
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: from early season, early career struggles, it usually winds up

646
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: being again, there might be other reasons, but you know,

647
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: it could be injuries, or could be you know, a

648
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Speaker 2: guy's just ruined by a team, could be mis evaluation,

649
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: but it probably mis evaluation is the largest one because

650
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: situations too right, right right.

651
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: Donald's first two stops the Caroline and the Jets are horrific. Yes, Fields,

652
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: his life is an interesting one.

653
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: And those are the guys that tempt you exactly, the

654
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: guys that have the high pedigree coming out of college

655
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: in which you think, okay, uh, team X or team

656
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: X and Y screwed this guy up.

657
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 3: But I think what's interesting, Rob is like that this

658
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: is Raiders or Giants audio network. We might be going

659
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: I'll take Fields on a three year deal. He showed

660
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: me a little in Pittsburgh and gets better and better,

661
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: you know, like, and therefore Fields back your original conversation.

662
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: You're like, I want to test the market, right, I'd

663
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: love to go to Pittsburgh, but I bet I'm gonna

664
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here for long. Well on the

665
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: open market.

666
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: And there's so much that's look scouts. One of the

667
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: things scouts have to do is separate emotion from what

668
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: they're watching. You know. So if you're watching Kenny Pickett

669
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: and you thought Kenny Pickett shouldn't have been drafted first overall,

670
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: you saw lots of things, You're like, see, But if

671
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: you did think he was a good pick, you did

672
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: think he could be that above average quarterback. He showed

673
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: you enough flashes to believe that was the case too.

674
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: So a lot of times it's you're watching the same player,

675
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: but beauty's in the eye of the beholder, you know.

676
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: And a lot of it comes comes down to dollars.

677
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of these free agents, we think

678
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: he's worth in this neighborhood eight to ten million for

679
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: a starting guard or whatever he's asking for. Twelve maybe

680
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: we'll go to eleven, but twelve's too much, you know,

681
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: and some of them it's pretty obvious, like I'm giving

682
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: this guy five million to most, right, but trying to

683
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: get him for three. But I'm the most I will

684
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: spend on this product. This player is five, you know.

685
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: So I think when when when I think about the

686
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: quarterback position, because a lot of dollars are allocated to it.

687
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about, you know, t Higgins getting

688
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: a twenty five million dollar you know, deal with it

689
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: with the Bengals in the franchise, Tafferson thirty, Yeah, that's

690
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: those aren't I mean, thirty might be a starting quarterbacks number,

691
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: but twenty five isn't. And you know, for a good reserve,

692
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: you're probably looking for you know, what a good starting

693
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: guard would cost you. It's that important of a position.

694
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: And so I think it. You know, I've thought about

695
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: this a lot over the years. At what level does

696
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: a quarterback have to be for you to feel comfortable? Okay,

697
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: this guy can win a Super Bowl for us, And

698
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: if he can't win a Super Bowl for you, then

699
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: how do you tie on the end of that player?

700
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: You know, Like the Niners are the best example, right,

701
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: now you get party for a million of years, mister irrelevant. Cool. Yeah, right,

702
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: now he's gonna get fifty, right, and you're trading debo

703
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: and Trent Williams getting old, and you know, can we

704
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: win the super Bowl with a fifty million dollar party?

705
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: I think we can with a million dollar party and

706
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: a lot of other stuff, right, but a fifty million one,

707
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. And two I thought was similar, Like

708
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: Mike Sander's a friend of mine, he joins the show.

709
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: I mean he does these quarterback tiers where a Tier

710
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: one guy we know they are.

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 2: There's a couple of plan and you give them anything,

712
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: you can win a super Bowl of those.

713
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: Guys, Yeah, right, give him a blank.

714
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: Chace Pearl hasn't won one, and even if Allen hasn't

715
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: won one, they gonna take your chance. Yeah, yeah, it's

716
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: no question.

717
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: And Lamar and Tier two ones to me, you're just

718
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: thrilled too, and you pay them and you know, I

719
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: mean those are Dak Prescott hurts, those type of dudes. Right,

720
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: It might not be every year, and they can, but they.

721
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: And it might not be based entirely upon them. Sure

722
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: they can lift you up when they need to, but.

723
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: They're definitely an asset. Most weeks they're better than the

724
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: guy on the other side, right, But I think once

725
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: you get away from that, which is really maybe eight

726
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: to twelve quarterbacks total depending on the year, they need

727
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: to start asking, you know, is it worth it or not?

728
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: And I hate the answer of well, what are we

729
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: going to do if we don't resign them? Right, because

730
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: you'll do something. Yeah, I mean, it's.

731
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: Not like get better in other areas, get better than.

732
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 3: Other areas, and it's some opportunity you're gonna get, you know,

733
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: a chance to sign somebody or draft somebody. You know,

734
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: you never stop looking, right, But what's weird about I

735
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: know this is what you ask, but I wanted to

736
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: talk about it because I don't know if Dale and

737
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: I have talked about all that much. I did a

738
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: lot more work on it. I don't know what you

739
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: pay fields this year. So last year, Sam Darnold this

740
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: point hadn't had that breakout year. But he was a

741
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: free agent. He goes to the Vikings. They give him

742
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: a one year, ten million dollar deal. Okay, I mean

743
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: he has some pedigree. He's not a nobody. They knew

744
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: they were going to draft the guy at the time,

745
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: and they didn't the draft hadn't happened yet, back the

746
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 3: free agency happening before the draft, but they had Sam

747
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: and they thought they could live with them. If they

748
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: don't get their quarterback, we'll try to resurrect them, okay.

749
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: And I think that was on a yearly salary. I

750
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: think he was a twenty first highest paid quarterback at

751
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: ten million, But the twentieth highest paid quarterback is Gino Smith,

752
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: and I'm almost certain he's making twenty four a year now.

753
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: I'd love to pay Field somewhere in between those two,

754
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: but that contract doesn't exist. And contracts are usually comps,

755
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: like when Jamar Chase goes the Bengals, he's going to

756
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: take the Jefferson contract and say I want this plus. Okay,

757
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: that's a comp your equal players. Blah blah blah. There's

758
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: no quarterback contracts that really fit this version of Fields,

759
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: because you know, smiss better than Fields, He's more accomplished,

760
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: and all the guys above Geno are true starters, are

761
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: the nineteen highest paid quarterbacks in the league. So Fields

762
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: will probably get that type of number, which is a

763
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: bit of a leap of faith. You know he's not

764
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: gonna take ten right. I mean he's he's he's more

765
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: valuable than Donald was a year ago. At least he's

766
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: done some good things, you know, So I don't know

767
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 3: what you pay him.

768
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: That's a great question.

769
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: It's a weird market.

770
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's a great question. And you know, you.

771
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: Can't imagine other sports of such a discrepancy where this

772
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: line ends and then thirteen million dollars later is the

773
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: next guy up?

774
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: I guess I would make the argument that you know,

775
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, you know, had no he was just happy

776
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: to probably have a position, right, I mean, things have

777
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: not worked out well for him.

778
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: He was just potential.

779
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: He was potential, he was going to start a few games,

780
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: and then at some point he was probably gonna see

781
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: the position to McCarthy's right, right, But.

782
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: They didn't have McCarthy yet when the day they signed

783
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: Donald after that happened.

784
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: But the other thing that you're getting with in addition

785
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: to ten million, and it's funny how we look at

786
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: ten million like it's nothing.

787
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: Like it's nothing, but it's a lot more than like

788
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: Winston was getting.

789
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: Or no, no, no, for sure for sure or you know,

790
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: I think the argument would you would make for justin Fields.

791
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: Why a two year, say forty million dollar contract would

792
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: be good for Justin? First of all, it's forty million

793
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: dollars right. Secondly, it gives me a lot. It gives

794
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: it right, yes, you do. It gives him an opportunity

795
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: to be the starter on a good football team and

796
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: then from there still be a relatively young guy. Well,

797
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: still a young guy relatively to relative to the NFL.

798
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: He's still a young guy.

799
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: Young quarters together.

800
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Right now, you're going to the free agency and now

801
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: look what's happening to Darnald. Now, Darnold went in expecting

802
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 2: to be a backup, maybe a little bit of an opportunity. Sure,

803
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: ten million dollars if you're justin Fields, you're definitely if

804
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: you're the guy the Steelers signed. Barring something that I

805
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: can I think that.

806
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: For the Raiders, Giants, whoever, whoever he signs with, he's

807
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: going to start Game one.

808
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: But who is who is the best team of that group?

809
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: Now it's not.

810
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: It's so more of incentives with his deal no matter

811
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: where he.

812
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: Go, right, unless your agent is telling you, hey, look

813
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: you're going to get five years an X amount of dollars,

814
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 2: and there's escalators in and all kinds of other things

815
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't anticipate. I think that.

816
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: Because maybe the Giants and Jets are just desperate. They

817
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: can't get the one and get Wards, so they're going

818
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: to overpay Fields, right, and he knows it.

819
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: Right, that's where your agent comes in. That's right, really good.

820
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: But to me, I think I think you know, high teens,

821
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, somewhere between say eighteen to twenty two million?

822
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: Is that?

823
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: Is that a decent guest? Do you think?

824
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: Yes? But that contract doesn't really exist. There aren't any

825
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: There aren't really quarterback comps that are. The league is

826
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: just weird right now for a player like him, you know,

827
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: because he's not but who's not a bust?

828
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: Who's another player like him? Donald? Donald? Fields?

829
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 3: Accomplished Fields is worth more now than Donald was then.

830
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: Donald was kind of looked at it now, But one

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: year later they're not even close.

832
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right right?

833
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: I mean it's changes quicker on here.

834
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: So there's so I think you just have to find

835
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: that common ground right.

836
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: Between negotiations could be hard. Yeah, they may have figured

837
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: out they wanted Fields two weeks ago. Can't hammer this outright?

838
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: We would never know that, No, you know, what I mean.

839
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: Wilson's easier, he has money. I think he gets thirty.

840
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 3: It's just probably a shorter deal, which makes me think

841
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: that maybe they do prefer fields. I don't know. I

842
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: mean they at this point, they definitely have a preference.

843
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: They have to know that by now.

844
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: You would think you would think, and you know, there's

845
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: a lot of uh, you know, you talk about what

846
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: we don't know, and you've brought up you know, George Pickens.

847
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: You know, do you, hey, going into that fourth year,

848
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: do you sign him to a contract extension? Are you

849
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: do you sign somebody else? And that means you're looking

850
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: to move him and now you got to draft somebody

851
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: in the draft. All these things are and that's why,

852
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: you know, from from a draft perspective, from a team

853
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: building perspective. Going back to the question I asked you

854
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: in the first segment, Yes, I want free agency first.

855
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: From a fan of the draft, I almost want the

856
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: draft first, because you know, for that for my own

857
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: selfish purposes to figure out, Okay, what holds? What holds

858
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: I now need to go out and fill And I.

859
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: Think more teams would truly draft best athlete available too.

860
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: They always say they do, but it happens to be

861
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: between two positions that they have need.

862
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: And I will say this, and we've talked about this before,

863
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 2: but I'll say it again here. One of the things

864
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: that I that has always impressed me, going back to

865
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Kevin Colbert, is the ability to sort of level out

866
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: your roster so that you go into a draft saying, Okay, look,

867
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: we love we love a tackle. We're not really sure

868
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: if Ton is going to be there. We'd love a tackle,

869
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: but we could all much draft. Ye, there's several other positions,

870
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, we could we could grab a center, we

871
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: could you know there, we could maybe grab another corner,

872
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: good receiver. There's a good receiver. There's a lot, and

873
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: then you're you're it's hard to it's difficult for any

874
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: team to say best player available, but you're not being

875
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: pigeonholed into a reach.

876
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: You know exactly which kind of what happened to Devin Bush,

877
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, shazier injury comes and you're like, I didn't

878
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: plan for this at all, Right, tried to piece it

879
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: together with like Burnett, I forget all the guys they used,

880
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: but they weren't really even linebackers. And then he kind

881
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: of get in a position where well, we have to

882
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: get a linebacker in this draft, and that happened very

883
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: rarely in Kevin's career, so I mean that was one

884
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: of the rare misses. He also got injured in all

885
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: those things too. But we talked about this in the draft,

886
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: and you just kind of mentioned Now, I thought Kevin

887
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: was a master of I can line up and play

888
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: with my roster the morning of the draft, that's right.

889
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: It's not perfect. I know I have more assets and

890
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to fill in with some late free agents

891
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: cheap too. But I got like her Big was a

892
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: Steeler center last year on draft day, he's okay, you know,

893
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: and he held the job, and like they don't Land Frasier.

894
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: I can line up with her Big on opening day

895
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: and not embarrass myself, right you know what I mean?

896
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: That's right?

897
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

898
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know, we look at you know, so

899
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: many things you're going to be you know, some things

900
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: are going to be crystallized by then, you know you

901
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: and are going to do a mock draft tomorrow. Yeah,

902
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: I will tell you now who I have. Should I

903
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: tell you now or should we wait for tomorrow?

904
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: Uh?

905
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: Tell now? Just ahead? Come on, are you telling me

906
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: to go to break. You tell me to tell the pictures.

907
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: You know what, We're gonna go to a break. I'll

908
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: discuss it. Should should I spill the beans or not?

909
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Uh well, we'll have an answer for you when we

910
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: return on the Drive on Seewer's Nation Radio on the

911
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Steeler's Audio Network.

912
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Daily and Matt Williamson on your

913
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold

914
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio.

915
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on

916
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Filling in for Dale, Lollie, I'm

917
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: Rob King. We have Matt Williamson here as always holding

918
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: down the fort.

919
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: That your official position holding on the fort Man. Yeah,

920
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: let's go.

921
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: Okay. Uh So we're gonna be doing a mock draft

922
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: tomorrow and that's going to be over at the Steelers facility.

923
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: Yep, you're filling in for Dale. It's filling for and

924
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I am Dale, the Triple Tap team.

925
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, filling in, filling in uh two triples and

926
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: a double right, Okay, that's all help out the best

927
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: I can.

928
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: So it's a first round Max, So it's a first Steeler.

929
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: It's a first round mocker and so you know, going

930
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: into this draft as we sit here right now without

931
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: anything being done in free agency, and I suspect that,

932
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: you know, the Steelers are going to try to get

933
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: the quarterback position done, and then that's going to inform

934
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: how much money they have left over.

935
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: There could be a big difference quarterback, right Yeah, I

936
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't what kind of receiver're going to add, right, It's

937
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: different if it's Wilson Fields.

938
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: Or Rochester or whatever. Right, yeah, And when you have

939
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: to go into free agency and spend that much, I

940
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: suspect it's going to be quarterback. And if this is

941
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: strictly guessing on my part, I think they're gonna get

942
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: They're going to try to get a defensive alignment. They're

943
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: going to try to get a receiver in free agency,

944
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: and they're going to try to get a corner. That's

945
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: my guess, right.

946
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: I know about the line, but I'm not going to

947
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: disagree with you, Hones.

948
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

949
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: I think they'll spend money on a corner. I think

950
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: they'll get a brand name receiver that we've heard.

951
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Of, Okay, And then I could see them getting a

952
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: you know somebody, I'm just gonna throw out a name.

953
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about fit or whatever, but a good

954
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: rotational like a b. J. Hill, just again, a veteran guy,

955
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: who's who's got who's quality player. So that's just that's

956
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: what I think. But I don't know, I don't I

957
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: don't think that's right. So going into the draft.

958
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: Let's say that's true.

959
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, but the sense is that you know what,

960
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: you're going to need a running back, right yeah, probably

961
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: they don't bring Harris back, You're going to need a

962
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: running back. And it's a rich defensive line draft and

963
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: a rich running back. So I would love to see

964
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: this Steelers get a first round defensive tackle. Yes, if

965
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 2: that fails, I wouldn't mind him getting like a Baron

966
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: or a first round corner. If that fails, i'd love

967
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: to see Ashton Genty here. And by the way, if

968
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: he's there, that might be the first one to the podium,

969
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: right he might. I might move defensive line down the list.

970
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: But I did my mock and none of that was there.

971
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: But I was like, wait a minute ahead of me.

972
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like that at all. So I wound up.

973
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: I wound up drafting another position, and you know, I

974
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: tried to play it well. I didn't try to play

975
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: I played it straight. I said, what do I think

976
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: each team is going to draft and no trade? Like,

977
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: wait a minute, here, with the the twenty first overall pick,

978
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: the Steelers take Travis Hunter. No, yeah, I could see that.

979
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: I could see and in the scenario I looked at

980
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: I thought, that's plausible to me, like that that could happen.

981
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: And then then what do you do do you? And

982
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: again we are not privy. Uh, my phone is not

983
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: ringing right now with inside information from the Steelers as

984
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: they tell me. By the way, watch this defensive lineman

985
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: out of uh, you know, yeah nobody right, yeah, North

986
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: Detroit Southern University. Right, So so that's not happening. And

987
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: because you never do know, and again things will change

988
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: between now in the draft, like guys will go up,

989
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: uh will go down, But we don't know whether there

990
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: might be a player that the Steelers are like, hey man,

991
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: this is a definite first rounder, this defensive lineman out

992
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: of University X and he's not really being looked at

993
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: that way, but we think, yeah, we'll jump on him.

994
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: So that haven't been said. I didn't know that.

995
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: You draft picks are pretty smart. The Kuipers and I mean,

996
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 3: and they're they're doubt.

997
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: In right, yeah, right. So I was dismayed by that,

998
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: a little bit dismayed.

999
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: When you when you do it, sometimes you get to

1000
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: twenty one, you're like, maybe this even will get in

1001
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: the next segment. Because the more I'm feeling on the combine,

1002
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who I'm super excited about that I

1003
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: actually think will be there, right, that'll actually, I mean,

1004
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about some others. I don't think it's

1005
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: a wonderful first round to begin with, and I would

1006
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: love to trade down. But most teams I think want

1007
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: to trade down this draft too.

1008
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: You know, which makes you wonder, is it a good

1009
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: draft to trade up if everybody's trying to drade if.

1010
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: You could kill a lot of needs in free agency.

1011
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: I don't need all three of my first picks in

1012
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: the first three rounds, like right, one of them has

1013
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: to be a running back, one has to be a receiver,

1014
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: one has to be the line.

1015
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: Or if you absolutely and again, is a team gonna

1016
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: definitely want, you know a pick in this year's draft, sure,

1017
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: you know if it's if it's your first round pick, uh,

1018
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, a fifth and next year's fourth to move

1019
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: up four spots to draft that player you absolutely have

1020
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: to have when the other team's like, you know what,

1021
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: we'll get our guy twenty one because every because because,

1022
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: like you said, I think with all these teams supposedly

1023
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: being open to trading down, you would think that that

1024
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: would it might be a market. Yeah, trading up might be.

1025
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: Third to move this far this year only cost your fourth. Right, well,

1026
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: now I'm talking.

1027
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: Right exactly right right, that could be the case. That

1028
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: could be the case. Are you gonna tip your hand

1029
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: in your draft tomorrow? Are you happy to even remember?

1030
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I know you you were

1031
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: talking about telling us yours, but I can't quite even remember.

1032
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, mind what, I could look it up. I might

1033
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: look it up. I might look it up during the break.

1034
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: So we have we have justin How how are we

1035
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: doing here? Time wise? I'm getting to wrap it up? Signals,

1036
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 2: so let's wrap it up. But let's do another hour.

1037
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: I love it?

1038
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough? So this here's the drive on Steelers

1039
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Nation Radio. On this year, there's Audio Network