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Speaker 1: a lot to cover. It will be in Job chapter

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Speaker 1: fifteen as we continue our study of the Book of Job.

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Speaker 1: You're interested in what the Bible has to say about

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Speaker 1: spiritual warfare, you know, this is one of those things.

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Speaker 1: It can be very provocative but also can be very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So let's pray and then let's jump right into job

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Speaker 1: chapter fifteen. Lord, thank you for the men that are

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Speaker 1: at his local church, Tom Haney, who's struggling with shingles.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of fun, and he's in a lot

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Speaker 1: your name. We pray Amen. So we have these friends

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Speaker 1: And it seems that these friends must have established some

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Speaker 1: You know, this is an interesting deal. One thing that

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Speaker 2: And you are to be ashamed. You really should. So.

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Speaker 1: And and but this time you're going to see this

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Speaker 1: You know, the things you said right now actually counter

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Speaker 1: He's saying, Job, the way you have been talking and

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Speaker 1: the complete opposite direction. You're telling me that the defense

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Speaker 1: It's made you so delusional that it's even affecting your

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Speaker 2: Six. Your own mouth condemns you. You and not I.

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Speaker 1: Your own lips testify against you. So it continues to

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Speaker 1: to us like we don't know anything, and you're so

437
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: much smarter than we are, and and and and the

438
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: wisdom that's all around you, and you're speaking to us

439
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of like we're children and we're not okay. So

440
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: so look at eleven. Are the comforts of God too

441
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: small for you? Are the word that deals gently with you?

442
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: And this is Elfas kind of referencing back to his

443
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: first speech, Hey, I went pretty easy on you the

444
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: first time. I was being gentle and and you know,

445
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: I thought I was comforting you, and and and God

446
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: sent us here to comfort you. And have you ignored

447
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: how we have kind of handled you gingerly in the beginning,

448
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: or at least I did. And of course job I'm sure,

449
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: says well, that seems such a long time ago since

450
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: I've heard from these other two, and now I'm back

451
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: to you again. So then you go to twelve, you realize,

452
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: nowhere in here has Elifa has ever thought even stopped

453
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: for a moment to say, you know what, maybe maybe

454
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Let me apologize if I've upset you. I'm

455
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: just you know, maybe there's something he's not. He's not

456
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: even every think of all the words that Job has

457
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: used and all the points that he's made, and Eliphaz

458
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: is not moved in any way, and the other two

459
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: aren't either, by the way. So twelve, why does your

460
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: heart carry you away? And why do your eyes flash?

461
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: Why can't you Job just reconcile this simple truth that

462
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 1: God is punishing you for something you did or you

463
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: are doing?

464
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Job.

465
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why you can't see this. I don't

466
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: know why are you dealing with your emotions? Have you

467
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: let your emotions get carried away? Are your eyes blind?

468
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: Are you just so dim that you can't see what

469
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: to us is obvious? You did something? Are you doing something?

470
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: And God's angry? But here's the thing that must be

471
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: so frustrating inside job's heart that Elifaz is accusing him

472
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: of chasing must just be beating wildly and just crying out.

473
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: But I'm in a I'm innocent. I didn't do what

474
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: I'll saying I did. It didn't happen, And that is

475
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: a that's a it's a terrible feeling. I know that

476
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: feeling is I was accused of the starting the food

477
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: fight of nineteen seventy nine, and uh, and I didn't

478
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: do it. But as my mother said, but oh the

479
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: things that you did do that you got away with.

480
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: This is evening up the score. My mother said, you

481
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been accused of it if you'd have such

482
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: a bad reputation. You know, you might not have started it,

483
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: but everybody knew you were capable of it. And somewhere

484
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this, you're You're somewhere. It

485
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: was different parenting in those days. Our parents never assuen

486
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: it their baby didn't do anything, all right, So let's

487
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: uh matter of fact, you usually had to prove yourself

488
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: the other way, didn't you. Their first reaction was if

489
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: you got punished, you deserved it, and then they would

490
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: work their way back. Uh. So, anyway, he's saying he's

491
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: basically saying in twelve, Joe, we just think you're delusional.

492
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: So thirteen that you turn your spirit against God and

493
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: bring such words out of your mouth.

494
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: Oh boy, the way that you.

495
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: Are talking to God, you are ranting against the one

496
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: and only living God. The things you've said to God

497
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: with us sitting right here, what arrogance?

498
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: How dare you?

499
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: You've completely lost your way and you might want to

500
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: get on a rant, but you've you've ranted the things

501
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: we've heard come out of your mouth against God. Now

502
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: has Job really accused? Had he knows that God's in control?

503
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: And all he's really said is I just wish you

504
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: would tell me.

505
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: Nowhere? Has he?

506
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Now, he did get a little poor and pitiful, saying, well,

507
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, You're going to do whatever you want

508
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: to do. But that's about the close closest he's come.

509
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: But again they think he just needs to go ahead

510
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: and admit what he did. So now we go to fourteen.

511
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: What is a man that he can be pure? Now, listen,

512
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to this, were you the

513
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: first man ever born? Are he who is born of

514
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: a woman that he can be righteous?

515
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: He? You know this is pretty good.

516
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Lawyering here on Eliphas, He's like, let's go to the

517
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: things we can't argue. Okay, now, who are these human

518
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: beings that are innocent?

519
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: If you've been.

520
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Born of a woman, Job, we already know you're not innocent.

521
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: We know that you're just human. There's no way you

522
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: can be pure, there's no way you can be righteous

523
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: of your own humanness. Why are you denying this? I mean,

524
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: if you're born of a woman, then you're not pure,

525
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: you're not righteous. And again Job saying, I'm not saying

526
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: I've never done anything wrong. I'm just saying there's nothing unconfessed.

527
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: There's nothing I'm doing now. I don't have some secret sin.

528
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not deliberately and perpetually sinning against God and pretending

529
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: that I'm not. And then Elaphas said, so you're telling

530
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: me that human beings can be pure and righteous, again

531
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: a foreshadowing to the New Covenant there too. So now

532
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: he goes to fifteen. He said, behold, God puts no

533
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not

534
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: pure in his sight. Again, this seems to also there

535
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: seems to be some knowledge here of the fallen angels.

536
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Because he said, look, God can't even trust angels. He

537
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: didn't even put faith in them, and you think he's

538
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: gonna put faith in human beings. I mean, he knows

539
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: that he God is the only one who's pure. Not

540
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: even angels in the heavens are pure compared to God.

541
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: They're not pure in his sight. This seems to have

542
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: some knowledge of this overthrow that happened with the third

543
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: of the angels. And we know that that's already happened

544
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: because we know the conversation that Lucifer is having with God.

545
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: So we know that's already happened. And Eliphas seems to

546
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: have some knowledge of it because he's says, so the

547
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: angels can rebel against God, but you're not. There seems

548
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: to be some knowledge of that there. And then we

549
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: get into UH to sixteen. How much less one who

550
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: is abominable and corrupt a man who drinks in justice

551
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: like water? He said, let me tell you about human beings.

552
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Angels may have had this overthrow overthrow, but let me

553
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: tell you about human beings.

554
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: Now, Elapas is right about this.

555
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: People sin as easily and as often as they drink water.

556
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Sin for human beings, it's real easy, and it happens

557
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: all the time. But somehow this hadn't happened to you,

558
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: Right then, I would be I would want to go, well, now,

559
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: why do you know so much about that? Is there

560
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: anything you want to tell us about? See, I would

561
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: be turning it on elfas right there, but I'm not

562
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: Job so so that is the point he's making. They're

563
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: really trying to create a case that Job's claim of

564
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: innocence is impossible, and one of their main examples is

565
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: because he's human. Now they are right about that. Again,

566
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: this is a foreshadowing. Human beings got to have something

567
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: better than what we got if we're ever going to

568
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: be pure and righteous before God. And you're claiming you are,

569
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: and we don't think that's possible for no other reason,

570
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: just because you're human. And now we're going to hear

571
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: lessons from the past and tradition. Elafast is going to

572
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: go back to say, here's the things that we know.

573
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: In the next couple of verses and seventeen through thirty five,

574
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: so he says, I will show you hear me.

575
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: And what I've seen.

576
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: I will declare what wise men have told without hiding

577
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: it from their fathers.

578
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: He's saying, memory he has already said he's older than

579
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: his father.

580
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: And I remember my dad teaching me this lesson as

581
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: an older man. When I started getting a younger and

582
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: a little bigger and a little stronger. Uh. And I

583
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: started just having a little bit, just a just a

584
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: touch of a thought that I might be something that

585
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I might could stand toe to toe with the old man.

586
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: And I remember this.

587
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: Apparently Dad at some point thought I had eyeballed him

588
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: in a way he didn't care for. And he said,

589
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you this right now.

590
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Boy.

591
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: He said, you ain't lived long enough to whip me.

592
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: And I thought, what does that mean? And and what

593
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: he was saying is I know a thing or two

594
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: and uh. And he said I'm more dangerous than ever

595
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: now because I'm not gonna take it lightly. I'm gonna

596
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: end it quickly, and I know how to do it

597
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: and you don't. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna

598
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: take that as as a good word from you, and

599
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stand down. But he really, Elaphas is saying,

600
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a thing or two. It's farmer's insurance now, right,

601
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: we have seen a thing or two. That's why we're

602
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: ready to insure just about any possibility. And Elaphas says,

603
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: I'll show you. Now you need to hear me, and

604
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: what I have seen I'm on to declare, And then

605
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: he goes into eighteen and he says, this theology that

606
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: we speak of has been passed down for generations from generations.

607
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Wise men have told us this without hiding it from

608
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: their fathers, and they've passed it on to us. And

609
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: here's job, who, all of a sudden is going to

610
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: change all this that we've always agreed on.

611
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the one to change it.

612
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: But you know, what we do need to be generation breakers.

613
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: And sometimes this is what we've always done, isn't always

614
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: what we should keep on doing.

615
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: Right.

616
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: I know none of you that have ever served in

617
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: the church have ever had to deal with this is

618
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: the way we've always done it.

619
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure none of you have ever heard that before. Uh.

620
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: And uh, people just easily move along on that. Uh.

621
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: Should I tell the men's breakfast story again? But uh?

622
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: But the uh I was told when I took over

623
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: the Men's ministry that the men's breakfast was an absolute must.

624
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: That's what we had always done and we were going

625
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: to continue to do it. Everybody was gonna be really upset.

626
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: So okay, So the person who was the most vocal

627
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: about that, I went ahead and did that and got me,

628
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: got us a speaker, got all the guys to come cook,

629
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: got the budget from the church, and got there to

630
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: the prayer breakfast. Who do you think was not there?

631
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: The very guy that told me it was something we

632
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: always do and we need to keep doing it. He

633
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: didn't bother to come, uh, which that got a phone

634
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: call from me. I mean I'm talking about I'm talking

635
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: about with the eggs still on the plate, Okay, I

636
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: mean and uh and uh, I said, I I thought

637
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: this is something you always did.

638
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't see you here.

639
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: And I was told he had a conflict, he had

640
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: some things he just couldn't quite get there, and uh,

641
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: it was so important to him that he was not there.

642
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know where you are right now,

643
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and I understand you've got a conflict. But I said,

644
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I can say this with zero hesitation as long as

645
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm leaving the Men's Ministry.

646
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: You missed the last breakfast.

647
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: And you need to get your own eggs and saucage

648
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: going forward. So so we did some things different, and

649
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: I have nothing against the breakfast. We're doing one where

650
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm at now, and they've they've been doing it and

651
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: it's been very successful. So I'm fine with that. But

652
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: we're not doing it because it's what we've always done.

653
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Speaker 2: We're doing it because it's been effective. So if it's

654
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: been effective, let's keep doing it.

655
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, just because we've always done

656
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: it is not a good enough reason. And so you

657
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: can get that mindset, and God can never teach you

658
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: anything new because you're almost saying to God, we got it.

659
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: This is strategy we've always used. We can keep on

660
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: using no matter how fruitless it becomes. We're gonna keep

661
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: on doing. And so this is kind of what he's

662
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: telling job right here. So verse nineteen, to whom alone

663
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: the land was given, and no stranger passed among them. Hey, Joe,

664
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: you might recall our ancestors on this topic.

665
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: They were unchallenged. How dare you challenge tradition? This is

666
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: what we've.

667
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: Always believed, this is how we've always operated, and it

668
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: seems awful convenient now that it's fallen on you. You decide

669
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: you want to change it. We say that what has

670
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: happened stands against your attempt. You seem to be the

671
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: only one that wants to change what we've always believed.

672
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: And all we're here to do is to hold you accountable.

673
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: And let's get past this. And you keep your stopping

674
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: the process. We always went to people, We always told

675
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: them to confess the sin. We always told them that

676
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: God was punishing for what they've done. And suddenly you

677
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: want to change it. And then he says why verse

678
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: twenty through thirty five. The wicked get what they deserve,

679
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: So you know what he does. Now I've made my case,

680
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: and guess what else I'm gonna do. I'm gonna educate

681
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: you on the theology of old We're gonna run it again.

682
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: And he says, the wicked.

683
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Speaker 1: Man writhes in pain all his days though all the

684
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: years that are laid up for the ruthless. Let's get started.

685
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: It's the same rhetoric with different examples. The wicked get trouble,

686
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: and the wicked yet misery. Period joke. Now now again,

687
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: we've talked about this. We know this isn't true, don't we.

688
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: We know what Eliphast says right here isn't true, because

689
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: we know that Jesus gave an analogy of a man

690
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: who built his house on the sand and who built

691
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: his house on the rock. And apparently, according to Jesus,

692
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: the storm hit both houses. One stood, one didn't, but

693
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: neither one of them were stormless. They both got storms.

694
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: We know that the apostle Paul gave an entire list

695
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: of what Eliaphas would call punishment from God and tewod

696
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Corinthians eleven, but that's not and then on into twelve.

697
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 2: But that's not what Paul told us.

698
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Paul told us God was doing this for his own

699
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: good right, so we know this is not true. But

700
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: Elaphas says, now, let me tell you what our daddy said,

701
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: our granddaddy said.

702
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Our ancestors have.

703
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Said, a wicked man, he rides in pain all his

704
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: days and all the years are laid up for the ruthless.

705
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: The wicked people are always the ones who have the trouble,

706
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: and they're the ones who are miserable. It's almost like

707
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: joel Osteen is in the Old Testament. But how about this,

708
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: That is not good theology for the reasons that we

709
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: just said. How many more examples can we give on.

710
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: This, and so I'm going to an email on that one.

711
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: But so the uh, who are you to judge. I'm

712
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: not judging anybody. I'm just saying that there's some things

713
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: that you can't say. The health, wealth and prosperity gospel,

714
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. You have to ignore too much

715
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: of the Bible. It does not work. So sometimes things

716
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: that we think are difficult are actually a blessing. And

717
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: sometimes things that we say are a blessing are actually

718
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: a distraction and an obstacle.

719
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: We can't even get that right.

720
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Speaker 1: So twenty one, dreadful sounds are in his ears telling

721
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: about the wicked and prosperity. The destroyer will come upon him.

722
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands

723
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Speaker 1: of the living God. There's a little Hebrews ten thirty

724
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: one right there. That's what Eliphaz has said. It's not

725
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: good for the wicked. You don't want to be on

726
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: the bad side of God. Job twenty two, which is true.

727
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: By the way, he does not believe that he will

728
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: turn out of darkness, and he is marked for the sword.

729
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: There's no escape for the wicked. Job. The sword looks

730
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: for them.

731
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: God has got his sword out and he's cutting you up.

732
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: And he's doing that because you're wicked and you cannot

733
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: escape it, and you're trying to find some way around this,

734
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: and it's not there. He wanders abroad for bread, saying

735
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: where is it? He knows that a day of darkness

736
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: is ready at his hand. He can't find food. He

737
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: wonders in the pursuit, but darkness is all he can find.

738
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: Job has actually described himself as being in darkness. Now

739
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: look at right here, here's a little bit of twenty three,

740
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of foreshadowy. He wanders abroad for bread.

741
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: Where can I find the bread? Where can I find sustenance?

742
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Where can I find That's not just talking about I'm

743
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: hungry physically. That's saying I can't find contentment. I'm searching

744
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: for bread. What does Jesus say? He is, I'm the

745
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: bread of life. People who eat regular bread, you just

746
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: gonna be hungry again. If Joe found piece of bread,

747
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: he'd just be hungry again because it wouldn't be any more.

748
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: But Jesus said, if you can find me, then I'm

749
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: going to provide you everything you're looking for. You won't

750
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: be hungry again. You might be physically hungry again, but

751
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: you'll ever be spiritually hungry again. But what eliphas means

752
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: is you're wandering around in pursuit of some sort of

753
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: food that you can't find. All you find is darkness.

754
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: Twenty four. Distress and anguish terrify him, and they prevail

755
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: against him. Like a king ready for a battle. There

756
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: is no peace for the wicked. He's saying, he's like

757
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: a king that is going into a battle that he's

758
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: not quite sure if he can win it. And the

759
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: king is terrified and fear that today's the day that

760
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: he may be defeated.

761
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: You know, we always talk about you always.

762
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I remember mel Brooks did the funny bit is good

763
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: to be king, but it's really not. It would be

764
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: good to be king if everybody would keep, you know,

765
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: stop trying to kill you, so they could be king.

766
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: But you know, kings what their life was like.

767
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you could be going into

768
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: battle and the king be thinking, I really upset everybody. Today.

769
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: My own people may turn on me. I mean, my

770
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: own troops may turn back, drive one through me and

771
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: make the general the new king that they like better.

772
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: You know, you got people having.

773
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: To eat your food, drink your drink, so you don't

774
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: people trying to poison you. And he saying, that's what

775
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: it's like for the wicked, the uncertainty of it. They've

776
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: headed into battle not even sure what's gonna happen. And

777
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: then he says, and speaking the battle, and this was

778
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: gonna close with speaking of battle, you can't battle God, Joe.

779
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: You can't battle God twenty five because he has stretched

780
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: out his hand against God and he defies the Almighty.

781
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: The wicked like.

782
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: You, Job, just like we've heard, right, guys, we've heard

783
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: you act like you can just call God to court

784
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: like he's going to answer to you, and I'm going

785
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: to tell you something.

786
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: You can't beat God.

787
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: But Job's already said that Job knows he can't defeat God.

788
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: He's asking God for mercy, he's asking God, will you

789
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: help me? Will you answer my question? Job is even

790
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: acknowledged if you don't want to be questioned, there's nothing

791
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I can do. If you want to keep doing this

792
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: to me, there's nothing I can do. Nobody can bring

793
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: you into court. He's already said that. Nobody can argue

794
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: with you.

795
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: As C. S.

796
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: Lewis said, you're trying to argue with the very source

797
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: that made it available to argue at all. And so

798
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: Job really hasn't made that claim. But Elafas wants to

799
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: pretend that he has running stubbornly against him verse twenty

800
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: six with a thickly bossed shield. Look at you, Look

801
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: at you, Job. You're gonna run onto the battlefield with

802
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: your little shield, and you think that you can stretch

803
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: out your hand against God.

804
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: With your little pitiful shield. How pathetic are you?

805
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: And they're right as far as who would win that,

806
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: But they're wrong about Job.

807
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: And listen to this m.

808
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: Because the wicked person has covered his face with this

809
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: fat and gathered fat upon his waist. You have covered

810
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: yourself up with prosperity, is what you've done, Joe. You

811
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: think that you can do no wrong because of all

812
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: the prosperity you've had. You are fat, and you've covered

813
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: up your iniquities with your prosperity, hoping we wouldn't see it.

814
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: And and God has finally had enough of your fake life.

815
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: You wanted us to believe you were prosperous because you

816
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: were right with God, and you covered your iniquity with

817
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: all your stuff. But God has finally made it clear

818
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: to us that you are a fake and has lived

819
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: in desolate cities and houses that none should inhabit, which

820
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: were ready to become heaps of ruins.

821
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: God has taken it all away, hadn't he. Job.

822
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: That's not the way you live now, is it. Things

823
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: are going to be different now.

824
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: You thought that God. God took it away as quick

825
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: as he gave it.

826
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: That's true, he can, but they want him to, they're saying,

827
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: and we know why he did that.

828
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: They don't know.

829
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: He will not be rich twenty nine, and his wealth

830
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: will not endure, nor would his possession spread over the earth.

831
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: The wealth, it's like a fading mist.

832
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: Job.

833
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: If that's all you got, God took it away like

834
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: it was nothing. Again, He's right about that. What did

835
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: what did Solomon tell us? Vanity? Vanity? Vanity is all vanity?

836
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: It just it just goes away. It's it's it's all.

837
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: None of this means anything. If you're not right with God.

838
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Thirty he will not depart from darkness. The flame will

839
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: dry up his shoots. Underline that, because that's a rough

840
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: hit right there, and by the breath of his mouth,

841
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: he will depart. I don't know why, Job, is not

842
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: interrupting and just going I get the point.

843
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: I got it. He said, it's gloom and doom for

844
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: the ungodly job.

845
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Now listen to this. God will take the center right

846
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: to the grave. And what do you think those shoots are,

847
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: including his children, those are you know, he's usually the

848
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: analogy of the shoots that come out from the original plan,

849
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, just like at our house right now, we

850
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: planted a fig tree and we did that when our

851
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: sun went to heaven. We planted as a family a

852
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: fig tree in the backyard. And so we're doing this

853
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth of May in twenty twenty five

854
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: for those of you that archive it. So yesterday was

855
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: my son's birthday. He was born twenty years ago yesterday,

856
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: and so over time, and we planted that because you know,

857
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: we remember when Jesus came upon the fig tree and

858
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: he cursed it. And of course that's an analogy that

859
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Jesus was saying, when at this time of year, when

860
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: I walk up on a fig tree, it should be

861
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: bearing fruit, and it was it. It had not survived

862
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: the winter, it didn't have it. And he used that,

863
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: he says, I cursed this tree because I came to

864
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: inspect the fruit, and it's not here. And we wanted

865
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: to use that as an analogy that when that even

866
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: though we had been through a traumatic thing, that this

867
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: tragedy would produce fruit for the Kingdom of God. And

868
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: the fig tree was us saying, we commit ourselves to

869
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: produce fruit for you Lord. And so over time, in

870
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: different weather patterns and all that, the the tree actually

871
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: died and it became you know, deer got after it

872
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: and things like that, but there was just a little

873
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: stump left. And Sherry began to investigate and talk to

874
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: different people that did this for a living, and they said,

875
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: if you take shoots from the from the original tree

876
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: and you put it there under those roots, and you

877
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: give it a little water and you give this, it'll

878
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: actually little shoots will start growing off of it.

879
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: And it has. But there's little shoots off that fig

880
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: tree all over the backyard and so what.

881
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: But but that's also an analogy for his children, because he,

882
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: of course would be the root and there shoots that

883
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: came off of him. And he says, when the God

884
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: comes to deal with you, just be you. He's gonna

885
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: get the shoots too. There won't be anything left. And

886
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: so this is a shot at God taking his children again.

887
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: And he says, and by the breath of his mouth,

888
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: he will depart.

889
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: He'll eventually kill you. Thirty one.

890
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Let him not trust in the emptiness, deceiving himself for

891
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: emptiness will be his payment. Let me tell you something, job,

892
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: if you keep trusting in your lies, let's see where

893
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: that gets you. The payment or the result of you

894
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: sticking to this narrative is going to be emptiness. That's

895
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: what you're going to experience. You got to come clean.

896
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: If you stay with this, you're gonna die with this.

897
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: God's not going to tolerate this.

898
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: Thirty two.

899
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: It will be paid in full before his time, and

900
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: his branch will not be green. Now that is actually

901
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: an analogy that was used very common in this time

902
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: of They believed incorrectly, but they believe that one sign

903
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: that somebody wasn't ripe with God is that they would

904
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: die young, they wouldn't live to an old ripe age.

905
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: And he's saying this. The Old Testament talks about this

906
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: as a punishment. If you want to jot this down

907
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: to go back and look later for your extra credit

908
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: a Psalm fifty five twenty three. And we just mentioned

909
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: Solomon Ecclesiastes seven seventeen. So he's saying, you know what, Job,

910
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: if you stick with this, I don't think you're gonna

911
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: live much longer. Now we know that Alfas says he's

912
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: older than Job's father, so to him, he's still relatively young,

913
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: and he's saying, he's going to take you out while

914
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: you're still green. You're not going to live a long

915
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: life if you If you continue this and you don't

916
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: come clean, God's gonna kill you. Thirty three. He will

917
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: shake off his unwrapped grape like the and cast off

918
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: his blossom like the olive tree. This one's simple plants

919
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: and wicked people. I can compare them.

920
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: You know what.

921
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Happens to grapes that are not ripe. He's gonna take

922
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: them off the vine. They're good for nothing. These blooms,

923
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna come off.

924
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: It's good.

925
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna come off of the olive tree before they

926
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: even become anything.

927
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: You know what, This is premature death.

928
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: If an unwrippt grape is coming off the vine, why

929
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: is it coming off the vine when it's not ripe?

930
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: What's a bloom doing being taken off the olive tree.

931
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: It's all premature death.

932
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: That's what that means.

933
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you could go ahead and

934
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: come to fruition, but if you're gonna keep this up,

935
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: God just go ahead and kill you. Now here comes

936
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: another analogy for his children, which is not good for

937
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: the company of the godless is barren, and fire consumes

938
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the tents of bribery. He goes after the kids again.

939
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: You got no kids, now do you job you're bearing?

940
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: Your wife's got no children, You got no children, You

941
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: got no future generations.

942
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. Because you've been crooked.

943
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: God has stopped the going ahead of job. And because

944
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: you're wicked. Your family is now barren, as as if

945
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: your wife never gave birth to one child. And you

946
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: know what, you got no future generations. God has stopped

947
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: this because of your wickedness. We didn't want your wickedness

948
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: to be passed on to your children. And they go

949
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: on to their children. And do you remember when he

950
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: says fire has consumed the tints of bribery. Do you

951
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: remember when they were having these gatherings and everything that

952
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: fell down and they were these tints. I mean, Alafat

953
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: is getting pretty graphic right now, and he's heartless right here.

954
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Then he finishes, They conceive trouble and give birth to evil,

955
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: and their wound prepares deceit. The wicked don't conceive children.

956
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: The wicked conceive trouble, and all they ever birth is deceit.

957
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

958
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what Joe feels like right there when

959
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, So all these points I made didn't

960
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: do anything but make Eliphaz angry with me. He thinks

961
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: worse of me now than he did at the beginning.

962
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: He sees my.

963
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: Protest of my integrity to be grotesque. He doesn't see

964
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: it as something he should consider. And you know what

965
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: we're going to see right and I think it's something

966
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: we got to learn now. I'm getting ahead of us

967
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: a little bit here, but I just feel like I

968
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: want to because you're gonna hear from job next week.

969
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: You guys.

970
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: Are terrible at comforting, okay, And and what you're going

971
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: to see is that job is about to get to

972
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: the point. And it's gonna take a little longer, but

973
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna to turn that. So he's going to start

974
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. Is that job is about

975
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: to do what I think we look. Don't hear me

976
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: saying that friends are of no use, because they're incredibly valuable.

977
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: I have dear friends that have been nothing but a

978
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: blessing to my life. However, the best friend that you

979
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: have of human is nowhere near as good as God.

980
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: We just can't be I mean, I think of people

981
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: that I'm their friend. There's a big distance between me

982
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: and what God can do for I mean, it's not

983
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: even close. God can use me even when I do

984
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: it right. It's God corrected me and helping me. I

985
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to be what someone needs, and

986
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: you don't need to put that kind of pressure on

987
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: human beings anyway.

988
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: But what you're gonna see now is that job is

989
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: about to leave.

990
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: Hope in them, and he's gonna shift his hope and say, hey, God,

991
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I gotta have you. I don't think I'm gonna be

992
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: able to convince these guys. I know that you know

993
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: the truth. I'm trying to figure out since you know

994
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: the truth while you're doing what you're doing, because you

995
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: know my heart, you know everything about me, they apparently don't.

996
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: They still doubt me. I don't think I can convince them,

997
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna stop trying to find my hope in them,

998
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see him shift.

999
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1000
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: That is not me saying that human beings and friends

1001
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: and family are not a blessing, because they can be

1002
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: and of course they can be a nightmare too.

1003
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: That's the problem with human beings. You know, you never

1004
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 2: know what you get.

1005
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's a we can kind of we can

1006
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: fail you as quick as that we can bless you.

1007
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: But the Lord is not that way. The Lord is perfect,

1008
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and ultimately you got to find your comfort in him. Ultimately,

1009
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: you got to take your case to him.

1010
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: And if he.

1011
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: Knows the truth and you truly are blameless, and you

1012
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: truly are good with him, then other people's opinion of

1013
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: you has to be demoted, because if not, the adversary

1014
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: or just your sin nature is going to let the

1015
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: imperfections of people take away your joy of the Lord.

1016
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: So be careful that you don't let that happen. Do

1017
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I care about conflict I have with other people?

1018
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: I do.

1019
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't have it, But am I gonna

1020
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: let conflict take me away from the joy of the Lord. No,

1021
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: because human beings can go I just don't want him

1022
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: to ever leave me. But human beings can come and go.

1023
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather that not happen. But if they do, and

1024
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: I still have God, that's all right. I'm good and

1025
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: I know he knows. But sometimes we fool our friends

1026
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: and we're attempt to fool God. We got to stop

1027
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: that too, you know, because God, God knows them both.

1028
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: He knows if you're guilty, and he knows if you're innocent.

1029
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: But he knows.

1030
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: But our hope can only be found in Him. Let's

1031
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: stop trying to put human beings in that terrible position

1032
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: of giving us what only God can. Let's pray, Lord,

1033
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: thank you for today. I pray Lord that you go

1034
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for these men. There's such an

1035
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: encouragement to me. And thank you for the friends that

1036
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: we do have. But also, Lord, we're most thankful for

1037
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: you and for the mercy and the grace and the

1038
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: peace and the understanding that only you provide. Being right

1039
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: with you is good enough. And you've done all you

1040
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: could ever do for us. And Lord, you just helped

1041
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: protect us from all those who would come against us

1042
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: to be used as weapons against us. And Lord, help

1043
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: us to embrace those you've sent us as blessings, but

1044
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: ultimately protect us against our biggest enemy, ourselves and your name.

1045
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: We pray Amen. Thanks guys,