WEBVTT - Patriots Draft Prospect Review: Offensive Line 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.920 This is the Draft Prospect Review Podcast on Patriots dot 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.280 Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.200 Review Podcast is your source for all the latest news 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.520 and information on the NFL Draft. The new England Patriots 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.560 flag now here to preview the offensive lineman. The writers 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.360 of Patriots dot Com Time once again for another draft 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.560 podcast preview offensive line. You know my favorite micd so 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.400 offensive lineman. The big guys up front. Those are the 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.320 guys that make the engine go, don't you know, the 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.040 big guys up front on both sides of the ball. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.120 It's all about line play, said no one anywhere ever, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.120 except for Mike dou sou defensive line. I could get 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.760 at the offensive lines a little bit of a slog, 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.920 but hey, position of need for the Patriots. They ted 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.400 Harris has gone, Shack Mason got traded, so so definitely 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.440 need a guard and then you know a tackle. You 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.479 brought Trump brownback, but Isaiah went entering the last year 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.920 of his deal, so you have some injury concerns with 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.480 the two guys that are there. Justin Harran showed some promise, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.080 but I think it's a long term need as well. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.200 So I think a lot of these positions are on 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.040 the table for them early and often. Absolutely, and we 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.280 are wrapping up offense today. This is our final position 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.560 on offense only because I couldn't put it off any longer. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.920 We will do the offensive line. And as has been 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.240 the case throughout our twenty twenty two draft A preview podcasts, 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.080 Matise Bauman is with us as well, probably not as 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.560 eager on this one Mike as he has been with 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.039 you know, running backs and wide receivers, and I don't know, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.199 he's pretty excited upstairs all the Glen response. But tease, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.520 what say you of the Specifically, it's start off with tackle. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.720 We'll spend most of our time with tackle. And I 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.800 think Mike is right. I think this is an area 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.479 that the Patriots could absolutely call upon at pick number 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.319 twenty one. Offensive line, as Mike mapped out, is in 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.119 need for the Patriots. Any of these guys stick out 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.680 to you at the top, Definitely, Evan Neil. I mean 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.120 he's just a behemoth six seven, three hundred and thirty 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.720 seven pounds, very quick for his overall size. I think 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.360 that might be one of the number one picks off 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.920 the board. I don't know how he wasted three hundred 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.480 and thirty seven pounds and he's just looking at him. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.520 I mean there's not much fat at all on him, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.120 no bad weight at all. Another Alabama guy, but absolutely 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:09.160 him and if if he could also be a potential 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.080 you know, top five pick. I think those two guys, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.120 those guys top ten anyway, And I agree with you 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.880 another thing that really stuck out, and not just with 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.839 these top two guys, and they clearly with the top 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.880 two guys, but um, a lot of nasty in some 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.280 of these guys. Just tossing dudes around after you know 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.800 at or as they say in the draft, draft speak 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.079 to the echo of the whistle. They like to play 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.400 to the echo of the whistle. I agree with you 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.799 guys about both of those players. Evan Neil, I think 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.800 is going to be another one on the long line 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:44.320 of just solid prospects coming out the Alabama offensive line. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.000 But moving a little bit further down the line here, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.400 there were reports last week that the Patriots had some 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.720 had one of the visits, one of the thirty visits 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.120 with Trevor Penning right, that was the the offensive him. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.799 You know me, they are all blending together. Offensive. Where 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.320 do I tell you you're dead on, do it on 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.840 your own time, but this is my time, so I'm here. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.320 I might as well talk about Penning a little bit. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.320 My one concern there, And I don't know how you 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.560 guys felt about this. It's just the level of competition. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.200 Just you watch the Northern Iowa tape and not that 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.000 we have extensive you know, catalogs of tape that we're watching, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.240 but you see the highlights. He's so much bigger than 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.720 anybody else on the field. Yeah, and you just wonder, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.240 you know, if if it was a little bit more 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.160 of an even playing field, which obviously it will be 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.440 next year, does the same kind of dominance, you know, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.120 shine through. Yeah. I think he showed up well at 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.280 the Senior Bowl. I know, watching some of those practices, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.040 he had a little extra business for everybody a little 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.480 after the whistle, getting guys, So you know, how's that 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.400 going to carry over as well? But but you gotta 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.960 love the attitude and I think, you know, depending on 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.400 what you look at. Again, a lot of these mock 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:49.920 drafts are all over the place, but I feel like 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.720 Penning could could definitely be a guy that that's kind 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.880 of in their range along with with the the guy 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.000 from Austria. Bernard Raymond, who who I talked to with 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.440 the combine, asked him a little bit of, you know 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.280 about about his inspiration along the international journey, and you know, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.760 he specifically called out Jacob Johnson and Sebastian Volmer. It's 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.119 hard not to, you know, see shades of Volmer, see 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.840 shades a little bit of Nate Solder with his you know, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.880 start as a tight end. So he's got some athletic 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.000 feat but um, you know again, everybody's gotten some concerns 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.599 and I think he's one who's late to the game. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.360 He's learning it a little bit. So I think Penning Raymond, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.800 those guys seem to potentially make sense in that twenty 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.600 one area if they were to fall. Both could be 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.760 a third tackled as a rookie backup, get their feet 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.599 wet a little bit and learn the pro game. So 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.680 like both those guys, I think they're they're sort of 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.880 a made soldier profile. You know. The idea was to 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.400 bring him in Havenim be the third guy, uh and 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.080 then you know rustled in. But yeah, you get an 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.520 injury and you get thrust into it like Solder did. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.000 But um, which one of those two did? You like 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.080 tease out of Penning Penning in Raymond, I like Penning more. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.880 I think just with the small skoy is a little 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.599 bit of a a chip on his shoulder. As Mike said 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.080 at the Senior Bowl, he was getting into it after 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.760 the whistle. Didn't want people to know that he's from 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.720 a all school. It's not gonna hold him back. Yeah, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.120 and I did. Like you know, Mike referenced the tight 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.800 end background for Raymond, it wasn't just like that he 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:08.560 was a high school you know, these guys are all 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.120 high school somethings. Yet twenty catches at Central Michigan as 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.800 a tight end in his first couple of seasons, So 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.160 a little bit more athleticism there, I would say, than 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.400 what you're going to typically get at that poses. I 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.120 mean not to you know, jump down the list a 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.520 little bit. But you know, the other guy who played 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.360 on the other side, Lucadecki, is another former tight end 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.240 that they moved there at Central Michigan UM and and 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.000 maybe a little bit of a later round process prospect, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.760 but a guy that that I also liked and you know, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.480 stuck out to me. You kind of get stuck watching Raymond. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.080 But but I think he got highlighted with with some 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.159 of his good plays over at the right tackle spot. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.920 I think ideally you'd love to get a guy who 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.280 has those athletic features to play potentially left tackle, that would, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.719 you know, give you some long term excitement about developing somebody. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.560 But but he was another guy just to kind of 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.120 tie it in real quick with the central Michigan connection. Yeah, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.040 and I do think tackle would be a position at 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.360 twenty one that I would would make some sense, and 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.200 you know, moving further down if they don't, if they're 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.640 not able to get it in the first round, because 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.440 I really think they could take anything. We've talked about 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.960 this at all of the different podcasts we've already done. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.880 They could take almost anything at twenty one. I'd rather 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.080 see a tackle though, than an interior guy if they're 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.200 going to go really at the top of the draft. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.880 And some people disagree with that because we're gonna start 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.160 talking about some guards now too. And Zion Johnson, the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.240 kid from Boston College right here in our backyard. You know, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.880 there's a guy that a lot of people are very 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.680 high on. He looks the part I mean, he could play. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.600 I'm not telling you this guy's not going to be 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.400 able to play. I just I don't know if if 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.680 taking a guard. You know, like a lot of people said, well, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.560 Logan Mankins was a guard. Well, there's two things involved 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.360 in that pick that to me are a little bit different. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.400 Number One, he was a tackle in college, and I 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.240 don't think Bill Belichick knew when he drafted him he 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.680 was automatically going to be a guard. That happened great, 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.479 worked out one of the best offensive linemen in the 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.000 history of the franchise. But the second part of that 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.880 is taken with the thirty second overall pick. So twenty 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.080 I mean, that doesn't seem like that much, but twenty 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.080 one and thirty two, to me, that that's a significant difference. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.440 I just I feel like you can get guards. I 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.920 feel like tackles are tougher to find, So if you're 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.840 gonna go offensive line, I'd rather it be tackle. I 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.960 don't know how you guys feeling that. I'm with you 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.720 on that one, and I throw it in two. You know, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.000 that was a Patriots team thirty two, coming off a 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.000 Super Bowl championship. Maybe not quite the vast number of 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.680 needs that this team kind of needs right now, but 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.160 you know, to to Kenyan Green is another one I'd 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.880 throw in the mix, and you know, I think he 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.480 almost plays a little bit more of a chip on 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.440 his shoulder. He's played all over the line, which is 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.720 something that I always kind of have my radar out 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.280 for with these guys on the inside, and you know, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.840 having that ability and design has the ability too, I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.040 think to fill in outside in a pinch. But but 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.400 I think those two were kind of the top two guards, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.240 and I think that by the time they get to 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.080 twenty one, they're probably going to be around. So it's 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.720 it's definitely something to talk about. I like Charles Cross 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.640 and I think he plays tackle, but he can also 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.080 play a bit of guard. I think, as we say, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.640 versatility is key and if you can really move along 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.000 the line helps. I would put the kid from Kentucky 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.520 there too, Dari and Knard. I think it is um 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.520 He played all tackle at Kentucky and kind of a 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.720 different kind of offense too, that Liam Cohen offense. You 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.640 know who's starting to get a lot of buzz now 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.360 the former UMass quarterback who is now did he get 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:22.679 the offensive coordinator job where I'm not sure I forget well, anyway, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.280 he was UMass quarterbacks was, yeah, we'll get it in. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.160 He went to he coached all throughout New England and 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.000 then he got the offensive coordinator job at Kentucky, so 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.240 a different kind of offense that he ran. I think 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.360 Canard is better suited for guard based on what I read. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.840 Not going to try to pretend that I made the 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.400 evaluation because I don't do that. I don't pretend I 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.200 make these evaluations. I rely on others to do show 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.600 for me, and he did. He did look like he 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.040 had those kinds of skill sets. Maybe works a little 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.000 bit better in tighter quarters. Um, you know, in terms 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.080 of the other interior guys. You know a little bit 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.680 further down, another small school guy out of Chattanooga, Cole Strange, 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.880 love that name. Cole stopular one. Um, you know out 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.080 of Chattanooga. He's another one that you guys talked about. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.440 Went to the Senior Bowl, um, you know, which is 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.760 good for those you know, the lower level Division one guys, 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.280 the FCS guys. It gives him a chance to compete 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.120 against the best and he can sort of evaluate a 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.280 little bit. So he's a maybe a Day three guy 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.560 or you know, maybe a late Day two guy at best. Um. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.080 You know, so if you're looking a little bit further 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.720 down the line, those are some of the guys that 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.680 you're looking at. Jamari Sailor from Uh he's a favorite 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.760 of himself. He uh yeah, remind me a little bit 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.920 of on when you you know thickness like just one 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.600 you just seemed so wide to us. I remember when 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.520 him rock walking out the training camp as a rookie 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.439 and just like big Mike there he is. You can 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.960 just see this massive square kind of water rectangle walking 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.280 onto the field. UM. I felt that way with him. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.640 He just felt like a big brute um that that 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.400 you know, maybe could be complimentary to that style. Cold 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.719 Cole Strange, I definitely put a check mark next to him. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.720 He's been a popular one. Just thought he was a 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.320 good athlete and uh and one other was Dylan Parham. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.920 Um I wrote Ted Carris down a little bit of 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.800 reminder there another versatile guy for your starter. UM a 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.800 lot of experience. But you know, I think these interior 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:20.920 guys you mentioned Strange, Sallier, even Tyrese Robinson from Oklahoma 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.760 and guy I talked too with the Combine about Romandre Um. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.000 There's just these mid round kind of guys that you 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.720 think may might even be able to come in and start. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.319 I mean, look over the mind you did so put 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.920 some center too at the Senior Bowl. So again to 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.600 Matisa's point about the versatility, if you can move around 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.800 those interior guys, it really helps you. If you could 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.640 play all three of those spots. Yep, for sure, but 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.160 lots of options and you know, as I just find, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.959 these are the hardest positions to to really get a 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.719 beat on. You certainly like guys who are versatile, guys 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.000 who have been captains, you know, guys who can move 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.840 pretty well. I think that's something they look at with, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.520 you know, like a model of Shack Mason, not the 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.040 biggest guy, but can really run so any of those 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.120 things that they can do. But you know who was 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.040 on will Sherman last year, or it's you get down 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.960 in these day three guys don't need to be it's 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.760 kind of it's trying to find, you know, that that 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.800 random guy that that they like. But but I think 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.000 there's a lot of options and you know, hopefully they 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.520 can come out, I really do. I think they've got 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.520 some depth, but I think they need to solidify things, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.920 especially for the long term at tackle. I think you 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.199 could get two offensive lineman in this draft class. It's 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.319 always a spot that that Belichick likes to tap at 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.560 the draft anyway, but they have a need and just 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.560 it would be remiss if you didn't mention Tyler Linderbaum 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.120 only because here's the top rated center in the class 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.640 and he went to Iowa. So it's all those Belichick 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.520 kind of things like what could be better? But it 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.800 looks like he may be a little bit higher than 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.719 the way they would draft him. But he's like one 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.000 of those step right in. He's your guy for for 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.760 the foreseeable future. Yeah, so, uh, I'm not going to 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.320 spend too much time on the centers, but we all agree, Uh, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.760 you know, the offensive line is a need. There are 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.800 some tackles here. I know the Patriots have looked at 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.160 some of them, They've had some of them come in. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.960 So we'll have to try to figure out if that's 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.480 smokescreen or how much reality there is to it. And 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.520 sometimes it just kind of comes down to how the 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.880 board unfolds and who they like the most. But this 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.320 is a position of need, even though I don't care 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.120 to talk about it anymore, that I happen. So I'll 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.760 leave that with you. Guys. And now that's going to 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.000 wrap up offense, but we have a long way to 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 go because there's some positions on defense too. We'll get 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.160 to those next. Thank you for downloading this podcast, Subscribe 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.160 on Apple, google Play, and everywhere else you listen. 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