WEBVTT - Patricia Clarkson 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.559 Today's episode was recorded before the SAG after a strike 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.920 began on July fourteenth. Table for two thanks you as 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:13.760 always for tuning in and supporting entertainers. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.640 Hey, everybody, welcome back to Table for two. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.040 We are sitting at the Sunset Tower here on a 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.200 very gray Los Angeles day. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.920 But that's okay. I'm super excited. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:31.240 Because today a powerhouse New Yorker is in the house. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:32.560 Do we really eat? 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:33.279 Yeah? 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.840 Oh god? Oh yeah, okay, good, I'm a little hungry. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.680 She's a Southern girl from birth, moved to New York 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.839 in the eighties, went to Fordham, got a BFA, went 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.159 to Yale, got an MFA. You've seen her in countless films. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.240 You've seen her in countless Broadway productions. She owns every 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.080 scene she's in. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.200 Oh, I'll have the Chinese chickens. Are we drinking just water? 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:56.720 No? 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.400 We drank yees verse like dry? 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:02.080 Is you know? 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:02.760 Perfect? 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:11.000 She's outspoken, she is sexy, she's super talented. Today we're 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:16.120 having lunch with Patricia Clarkson, So sit back and enjoy. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.800 I'm Bruce Bozi and this is my podcast Table for two. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:31.600 Wow, this is a. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.160 Super special day in LA and you want to know why, Patty. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.319 Because New York is in the house. Yes, we are 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:40.399 having lunch today. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.880 If you hold up a chair with the incredible, super 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.520 talented someone I always have a rock and roll time 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.200 with Patricia Clarkson. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:51.559 Can I call you Patty? 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.280 Oh please god, oh please, yes, Hey Darling, welcome. I'm 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.240 so happy to see you again. I have to tell 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.640 you I've been looking forward to this, you know, because 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.920 we were trying to juggle the dates everything. I was 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.120 literally asking if we had worked out a date to 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.200 talk with you, kind of every hour on the hour, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.640 like we just said, Patty, we're going to figure it 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.799 out with Okay, we're going to figure it out. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.520 Okay, I mean, thank you my god. That is such 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.679 a compliment. And so we have a lot to talk about. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:20.320 Yeah we do. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.799 We do a movie that's Monica that we're going to 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.880 talk about. Oh, here's Rose. Okay, let's just be civilized. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.840 I know. It's so nice, Southern born lady. I so 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.680 adore you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh that's nice. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.920 It's nice. Right. I feel better. Well, I flew in 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.680 last night. I had a COVID. I'm like, well, because 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.760 I have to I'm doing a few other things after you. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.520 This is but this is the highlight. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.200 This is exactly and this is the only time you're 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.920 gonna sit and eat. So Patty, you're born in the South, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.320 You're Louisiana. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.320 Orle and girl girl. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:04.560 You hit New York, Fordham eighties, the nineteen. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.040 Eighties, nineteen eighty, I hit New York. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.640 Big decade for New York. A lot goes down you. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.000 Then you also go to Yalef. So just talk to 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.200 me about your New York, Like what do you love 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.000 about New York? I kind of want to know, Like 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.360 also like what was that New York versus. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:22.440 What is this? Oh? 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.040 Wow, Well, I have to tell you the best story. 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.880 So I come off. I go to LSU, transfer to Fordham. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.720 Best decision I ever made. It was very hard for 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.000 my father for it because I was nineteen. I left 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.600 New Orleans and it was my parents. I grew up 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.600 very middle class, very very very middle class, and it 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.080 was tough to get me to Fordham. But my beauty 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.040 because no, just tough. No. I had good grades. And 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.720 my aunt, my beautiful aunt restor So, my beautiful aunt 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.920 Becky was dean of Admissions of Loyola in New Ork 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.040 and she said, Patty, let's try to connect you to Fordham. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.480 So I didn't have to audition then, but I wanted. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.560 I heard they had a very good theater program. So 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.240 my parents gather the money. I go off to New York. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.160 Fordham has no dorm at Lincoln Center. So there's a 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.000 rose Hill, huge rose Hill with many and then there's 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.800 Lincoln Center. Guess where I lived. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.800 Because of the Forum, And funnily enough, I just walked 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.320 by forduam about a week and a half ago. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:32.000 I thought about that. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:40.320 I think, why am here? I am this southern girl, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.960 like really not innocent and well a little bit I 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.440 mean naive. I mean, I'm born and raised in New 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.880 Orleans and Norman's is very cosmopolitan and very cool, but 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:56.480 and very progressive, thankfully. But I get off to New York. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:02.400 I go to the Riots. It's only ladies on one floor. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.040 The room was literally the size that you had to 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.320 turn sideways to get into the room. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:08.880 Wow. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:13.520 And it was women of all ages and we all 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.320 showered together in a big, pink old bathroom just because 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:23.599 of the door. And it was the most depressing place 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.599 you could have ever been in the history of depressing. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.640 And it was brutal. It was brutal. It's sixty fourth 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.880 and Broadway. But I meet this woman, Viviana from Karraka. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.760 She's studying at Parsons and she did not speak a 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.240 lot of English, but she spoke enough English to say, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.480 we have to get out of here. She did well, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.720 showering with some of these lads. Open huge open shower 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.880 and like you walked in it spicts out the wall 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.280 and some of the lady you know, and there were 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.720 people on it was and on Saturday nights there were 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.600 all these young men in the lobby and me, stupidly 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.279 I thought, oh, it's the boy scouts returning from a trip. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:18.200 Oh so a lot was going down a lot and 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.760 I finally, you know, I finally we found an apartment 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.760 on the upper with this woman, with Vivian, we found 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.760 an apartment. There was a big bedroom. And even though 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.760 they were so kind to us and they built a 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.640 wall down the center, we got our separate bedrooms and 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.120 we It was the best thing that happened. We got 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.080 out of the y and that was New York. For me, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.479 it was going to afford him no money. I had 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.799 no money, but that is none. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.040 So there's so many things that are inspiring about that. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.880 One is that it's very scary for parents. You were 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.720 one of five sisters and parents are like, okay, and 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.640 now to say it, I'm gonna do this. There was 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.520 no spoiled and titled that might have been fear, but 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.039 you're like, I'm. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.679 I packed doing bags and went to you know, big 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.000 bags and got there. I knew no one, but I 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.000 met my mentor, one of my biggest mentors at Fordham, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.200 Joe Jozevsky, and he was at the theater in the 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.400 theater department. A teacher I was taught by. Deborah Monk, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.280 was my first acting teacher. Deborah Monk, the great, the great, great, great, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.120 gorgeous Deborah Monk was my first acting teacher at Fordham. Okay, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.240 it was just I loved for it. I just I 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.120 go back every year now and speak to the graduating 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.120 actors every year. I had to miss a few times 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:45.880 here or there because I was shooting or something, but 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.000 I just did it, like a couple of weeks ago. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.840 What were some of the shows that you did. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:56.240 I did Pinter I did the famous pinter play Three Characters, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:01.000 the Old Fair Betrayal, Trill Betrayal. You'd like the Trail 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.400 with Ron Morasco, the best actor ever at Fordham. I 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.120 was in his shadow. And I mean he's now an academic. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.320 He's brilliant, brilliant man of renaissance man. He's writer, actor 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:19.160 director anyway, But I I formed, I became an actor, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.440 and Joe Jozevsky helped shape me, directed me, and had 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.240 a gabbler in my senior year, you know, and then 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.680 I he's the one who told me you will get 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.360 into Yale. I said no, they had people were telling 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.319 me you have to have connections to get in the Yale. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.640 Joe said, no, Patty, we're going to get the right 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.079 two right pieces for you and we're going to work 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.720 your ass off for this and you're going to get in. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:46.200 So you knew then at Fordham, when you were getting 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.880 your BFA, yes, that you want your next goal was 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.600 MFA eal. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.320 Well I always had. I never thought about film. I 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.040 always thought about theater, and I knew how important studying was. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.120 And really, remember I had only had two years at Fordham. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.439 I needed more depth and breadth of studying. And I 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.880 thought I just always had this thing about well, if 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.680 I could get into Yale, and I'll never forget the 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.760 day I lived. So we found an apartment, me and 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:27.800 Viviana on seventy seventh and Broadway and Fordham is at sixtieth. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.280 And I got that letter in the mail. I opened 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.640 it at my little our little table that was in 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.600 our little apartment, and it says you have been accepted 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:43.920 to the School of Dramas. I ran seventeen blocks to Fordham. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.320 Joe and everybody was in a staff meeting, and I 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.520 just went through the secretary. I just opened it in 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:55.120 and I said, Joe, right, and. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.920 There's so much great, like I mean, first of all, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.360 like remember that time in your life and everything. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.280 First of all, it was nineteen eighty so. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.200 For everyone to really this was eighty two. Now in 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.199 nineteen eighty. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.200 Two, eighty two, it's New York City. It's a very 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.719 special time in New York City. Things are real, you 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.199 know what I mean. And you're young, and we're young 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:15.640 like that. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.240 Twenty two everything was just like the world was. Everything 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.720 was before me, and I had nothing to regret behind me, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:29.320 so everything was forward. And again my parents had to 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.360 find and I had a full ride to study at Rutgers. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.000 I had a full I was offered a a I 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.480 was offered a soap opera. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.120 Okay, I was. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.920 And my father was like, well, well of course she 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:46.480 takes you. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.920 What made you know that you wanted to continue with learning, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.040 in studying as opposed to hitting. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:03.720 Did you see Broadway shows? 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.040 I would assume, And I saw it, and you know what, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.600 you know what I saw like twelve times and I 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:16.520 had no money. I stood dream Girls. I was j Jennifer. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.800 Most people would think it was some straight and I'm 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.960 not a musical theater person at all. Just if I 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.280 sang one note, you'd know immediately. I did dance when 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.680 I was young. But but Jennifer holiday that performance. I 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:33.720 saw that just it informed me in ways as an 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.360 actor that I will never lose. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:42.439 You're you're eating that's I have a very tight dress, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.440 gorgeous Christian Syrianna dress tomorrow night. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.760 And I. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.120 But anyway, so I'm yes, I'm girls, you're standing in 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.520 the yes and I because when she hits that last 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:04.040 closing song of Act one, and I am telling you, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:05.240 she's just. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.520 You know, it's it's. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.439 The earth moves, the earth. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:16.360 Moves, and it's it's such a visceral, beautiful performance, and 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.200 you didn't want to change me. It just inform me 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.200 as an actress. Sorry, would go back and back and back. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.880 You know. It's what I just told that all the 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.679 Fordham kids I just spoke to. I said, nobody, nobody 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.360 was filming anything. This is the Your cell phone is 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.560 a death of you as an actress. I felt everything 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.160 I saw. I didn't have to record it. It was 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.080 my body, my soul, my mind was recording it. I 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.640 will never forget Jennifer Holiday ever. I mean, Jennifer was 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.240 wonderful also, but Jennifer Holiday is my erson now in. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.200 The eighties, specifically in that show which just blew it 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:53.719 off the room. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.040 I had a rich friend and he came to visit me. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.000 Kathy Smith and her mother bought us tickets and I 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:05.040 sat in. I sat down to watch it. Finally, Oh 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.439 my god, like really good seats. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.880 So why didn't you just say I'm ready? 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.640 You know, after Fordam, Yeah, like I'm ready. I don't know. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.800 I had this. I had this desire to keep trying 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.920 to hone my craft. You know, as actors we it 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.480 is a craft. It is a muscle that needs to 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:40.120 be flexed and toned and you know, exercise. But what 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.680 we ultimately want is to make art, and I think 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.679 it it's hard. It's hard to take craft and lift 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.360 it art. It's hard. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:54.120 How come every senior in you own you own? 0:13:54.600 --> 0:14:01.840 And clearly it started at fordom Patricia clar When you're 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.880 in a movie and you're in and you've done a 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.840 lot of theater, and you've done a lot of movies, when. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:12.040 You walk on, can you identify it? Don't you know? 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:18.160 Do it? This is the only thing I do know 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.440 this as I've gotten older, and I hope this doesn't 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.160 sound pretentious. I think as actors we can only create 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.040 so much and fake so much, and kind of I 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.880 do believe that as we age, we bring more and 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.080 more and more of ourselves, and I think that's essential. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.080 We have to marry life and art. And yes there 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.960 are times when we're outside the box of ourselves, but 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.640 ourselves we always have to. Our emotional life has to 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:56.960 somehow mirror our own right and maybe I'm comfortable the 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.120 body wants to shut you down when you act and 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.320 you do these very big emotional scenes, are you just 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.160 or when you're taking on like when I was doing 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.600 sharp objects, you know, these hideous scenes are poisoning my child. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.360 The body wants to shut you down, but you have 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:18.440 to actually understand. You have to have the truth around it. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.680 You have to understand it. You have to understand the 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.240 way Patty would understand it, so then it actually is 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.520 the way the character would understand. And as I've moved 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:32.240 forward in this world, I realize when I'm not present, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.040 it's not a good thing. And as difficult as that is, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.960 I think that's the shame about acting. Although things are 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:47.400 dramatically changing in Hollywood, as we age, we just we 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.360 get better because we're able to just be there. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:13.760 Welcome back to Table for two. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:19.760 After earning not one, but two prestigious drama degrees, Patricia 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.960 Clarkson began her professional life on stage. I want to 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.640 know when she first sensed that her career was taken off. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.320 What's the first play you nail? 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:34.000 Hit? 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:35.480 Past that? 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:40.200 You were like, holy shit, you mean that? I got yes, well, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.920 House of Blue Leaves on Broadway. I replaced Julie Haggerty 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.200 right after they won that, but I had an audition 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.280 for it. Originally had given this crazy audition, got a 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.000 standing ovation, but they went with Julie Haggerty. Nine months 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:54.800 later we. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.160 Got standing ovation in the. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.000 In the audition, John, they were so sweet. They were 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:04.000 so sweet to me, and so I think I'm getting this. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.280 I bought a new dress, I had no money, I 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.440 had my hair because I'm playing you know, you can 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.000 say the hearing impair. She wasn't deaf, she was hearing 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:16.159 impaired movie star Corina. And I fell out my chair 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.280 and you know, and I didn't get the part. And 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.919 then nine months later, after they win the Tony, Julia 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.719 Haggerty's leaving to go do one of her big films 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.000 at the time. And I have a message on my 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.760 answering machine from Jerry's Axe Patricia. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.480 Jerry's right, We're. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.199 Giving you the part, you know. And it was one 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.720 thousand dollars a week. I thought I died and gone right. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:42.119 I'd never made. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.920 Any money, that's so amazing. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.960 I stepped in to House of Blue Leaves. I'd done 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:53.800 a few plays off Broadway before that, some Richard Greenberg 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.000 and atest some beautiful and then but then I got 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.679 House of Blue Leaves on Broadway right after they won 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.520 the Tony. Know that. Then I'm in that for three months, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.880 but then I have to leave it to go do 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:07.920 the Untouchables. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.399 Okay, all right, So she just kind of throws the 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:11.560 Untouchables in. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.120 Okay, So the. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.280 First movie This Gorgeous Woman Across from Me is in 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:29.080 is a Palmer film starring Kevin Costner in his height oftitious. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.639 Gorgeous How did I mean? What I mean? That's it. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.480 That's a huge, huge thing. You nail it. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.440 Can you tell me about the process working with Brian 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.840 de Palmer making out with Kevin. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.639 The famous great acting a great casting director who passed 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.040 away not long ago. Anyway, it'll come to me. And 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.200 I go in to read for him, and I kind 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.879 of was a little dulled up, and he goes listen. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.040 I think Brian would like you, but you need to 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.119 come back in no makeup and don't wear that sexy dress. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.199 So I go out by like a little house in 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:09.200 the prairie, drows seriously like like crunchy, like puffy sleeves 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.240 and like like a midt like a tie around the thing. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.720 I walk in very unsuthered, like no makeup, like oh, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.960 I hit my life, and and there's Brian to ball 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.840 and he the reader's there, but Brian reads Elliott nests 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:33.720 opposite me, and I think Brian liked the juxtaposition of 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.840 my kind of you know, deep voice, my kind of 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.280 you know, baritone dux opposed to my kind of you know, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.159 upturned nose and you know, and my big hair. I 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.280 think he just liked that I was this sweet looking 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.240 person and I kind of had a little bit of 0:19:52.280 --> 0:20:01.399 a naughty voice. Well, so I walk out the room 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.280 and the next thing I know is they're flying me. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.640 I'm now in the middle of doing housabilities, but they're 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.919 flying me to Chicago to meet Kevin Costner. I have 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.879 a matinee I have to do, but they fly me on. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.800 Like you it's seven, no, no, no, no, seven o'clock. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.959 I walk in again. I wear kind of like a 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.200 plain Jane dress. I'm like Jesus, like these ugly shoes 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.639 and no make I'm like, oh God. And I walk 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.840 in and Kevin's kind of sweet and he's like, I 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:35.679 hear Brian, Brian loves you, Patricia. And I read with 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.920 Kevin and they tell me I have the part right 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.399 in the room, but my agents didn't believe me. So 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.560 I walk out. I'm like, I got the park. They're like, no, no, no, Patty. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.199 I was like, no, no, no, no, They're not going 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.359 to lie to me. I would not lie to a 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.399 southern girl like with with who walked in with no 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:02.199 makeup and big hair, and of course, like you know, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.440 I get back on the plane. I'm in my dressing 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.119 room preparing for my matinee. I made it back with 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:12.560 me matinee. Okay, but I'd never flown like first class. Really, 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:14.840 I never had a car picked me up. I never 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.560 had I had everybody just waiting on me. I never 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.280 had any of that. So anyway, I get back to 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.359 the dressing room in the phone rings and my agent 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.040 was like, Okay, you were right, you got the car. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:32.320 But Bruce, it was wall to wall white men. Even 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:37.119 my makeup artist was a white man. Really beautiful man. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:43.560 Mike can't got beautiful and beautiful. Everybody everybody was mail. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.879 My mother came to visit me in set because my 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:48.720 mother had business in Chicago at the time, and she 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:55.560 came to visit me. She was like, petty, Petty, I 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.840 don't know if this is good or bad, but there's 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.000 a lot of handsome men and there's just nothing but man, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:07.159 if I can see for are there any ladies here? 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:14.960 Are there any ladies in Chicago? I mean, it was 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.240 just wall. I was the only woman on the set 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.800 and then there was my mother for a day and 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.520 my mother was like, oh, hello, but no, Brian was 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.119 Brian was incredible to me. And I'll tell you what 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:32.320 he did, and it still moves me to this day. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.920 I was broke and I was being paid but minimum. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.159 You know, they got me for scale, but I was 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.240 still struggling in New York City. And he knew it, 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:48.280 and he couldn't get me more money. But he told paramount, 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:53.320 he said, I think we need miss Ness in the courtroom. 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.320 I think we need her in the courtroom. And they said, well, 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.760 it's a it's not We're not shooting the courtroom till 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.720 the month. He said, well, I guess you're just gonna 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.200 have to pay her for a month because we need 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:06.879 her in that court. I got paid an extra month, 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.720 a whole month. It saved me. Yeah, and I just 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.359 sat in New York and went back and shopped the 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:13.840 court right, but I got paid. 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.960 That makes me so happy. 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:23.360 That till this day, he's my hero. He's he was amazing, 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:24.359 amazing to me. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.919 You bring up something that's so obviously changed, which is 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:43.560 a white male set, and that was you know, obviously 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:50.000 probably over the last ten years, massive, massive, how has 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:54.520 that now been for you and work and the whole 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.400 movement of really diversifying the place, the movie set. 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.320 It's the thing that's ever happened in Hollywood. It's single. 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:07.760 It is the best thing. The best part of Hollywood 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.720 now is its diversity on camera. Off camera. We still 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.879 have a way to go, but I'm telling you off camera, 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.760 the things I've shot recently, everybody is reflected. When you 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.360 go to a movie set, you want to see yourself 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.120 reflected in all the people because the crew is part 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.760 of your life. You see them every day for twelve 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.439 fourteen hours a day, and often you're working for no money. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.600 What are you there for if you're not reflected in 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.800 all of the people on that set, or more importantly, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.919 if you're not reflected on film. Now sometimes you know, 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.240