1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Today's episode was recorded before the SAG after a strike 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: began on July fourteenth. Table for two thanks you as 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: always for tuning in and supporting entertainers. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to Table for two. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: We are sitting at the Sunset Tower here on a 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: very gray Los Angeles day. 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: But that's okay. I'm super excited. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Because today a powerhouse New Yorker is in the house. 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: Do we really eat? 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: Oh god? Oh yeah, okay, good, I'm a little hungry. 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: She's a Southern girl from birth, moved to New York 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: in the eighties, went to Fordham, got a BFA, went 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: to Yale, got an MFA. You've seen her in countless films. 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: You've seen her in countless Broadway productions. She owns every 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: scene she's in. 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: Oh, I'll have the Chinese chickens. Are we drinking just water? 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: No? 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: We drank yees verse like dry? 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Is you know? 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: Perfect? 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: She's outspoken, she is sexy, she's super talented. Today we're 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: having lunch with Patricia Clarkson, So sit back and enjoy. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm Bruce Bozi and this is my podcast Table for two. 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: Wow, this is a. 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Super special day in LA and you want to know why, Patty. 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: Because New York is in the house. Yes, we are 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: having lunch today. 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: If you hold up a chair with the incredible, super 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: talented someone I always have a rock and roll time 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: with Patricia Clarkson. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 2: Can I call you Patty? 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: Oh please god, oh please, yes, Hey Darling, welcome. I'm 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: so happy to see you again. I have to tell 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: you I've been looking forward to this, you know, because 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: we were trying to juggle the dates everything. I was 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: literally asking if we had worked out a date to 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: talk with you, kind of every hour on the hour, 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: like we just said, Patty, we're going to figure it 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: out with Okay, we're going to figure it out. 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, thank you my god. That is such 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: a compliment. And so we have a lot to talk about. 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: Yeah we do. 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: We do a movie that's Monica that we're going to 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: talk about. Oh, here's Rose. Okay, let's just be civilized. 46 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: I know. It's so nice, Southern born lady. I so 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: adore you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh that's nice. 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: It's nice. Right. I feel better. Well, I flew in 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: last night. I had a COVID. I'm like, well, because 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: I have to I'm doing a few other things after you. 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: This is but this is the highlight. 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: This is exactly and this is the only time you're 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: gonna sit and eat. So Patty, you're born in the South, 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: You're Louisiana. 55 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: Orle and girl girl. 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: You hit New York, Fordham eighties, the nineteen. 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: Eighties, nineteen eighty, I hit New York. 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Big decade for New York. A lot goes down you. 59 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Then you also go to Yalef. So just talk to 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: me about your New York, Like what do you love 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: about New York? I kind of want to know, Like 62 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: also like what was that New York versus. 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: What is this? Oh? 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: Wow, Well, I have to tell you the best story. 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: So I come off. I go to LSU, transfer to Fordham. 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: Best decision I ever made. It was very hard for 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: my father for it because I was nineteen. I left 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: New Orleans and it was my parents. I grew up 69 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: very middle class, very very very middle class, and it 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: was tough to get me to Fordham. But my beauty 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: because no, just tough. No. I had good grades. And 72 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: my aunt, my beautiful aunt restor So, my beautiful aunt 73 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: Becky was dean of Admissions of Loyola in New Ork 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: and she said, Patty, let's try to connect you to Fordham. 75 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: So I didn't have to audition then, but I wanted. 76 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: I heard they had a very good theater program. So 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: my parents gather the money. I go off to New York. 78 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: Fordham has no dorm at Lincoln Center. So there's a 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: rose Hill, huge rose Hill with many and then there's 80 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: Lincoln Center. Guess where I lived. 81 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Because of the Forum, And funnily enough, I just walked 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: by forduam about a week and a half ago. 83 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I thought about that. 84 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: I think, why am here? I am this southern girl, 85 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: like really not innocent and well a little bit I 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: mean naive. I mean, I'm born and raised in New 87 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: Orleans and Norman's is very cosmopolitan and very cool, but 88 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: and very progressive, thankfully. But I get off to New York. 89 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: I go to the Riots. It's only ladies on one floor. 90 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: The room was literally the size that you had to 91 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: turn sideways to get into the room. 92 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 93 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: And it was women of all ages and we all 94 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: showered together in a big, pink old bathroom just because 95 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: of the door. And it was the most depressing place 96 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: you could have ever been in the history of depressing. 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: And it was brutal. It was brutal. It's sixty fourth 98 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: and Broadway. But I meet this woman, Viviana from Karraka. 99 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: She's studying at Parsons and she did not speak a 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: lot of English, but she spoke enough English to say, 101 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: we have to get out of here. She did well, 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: showering with some of these lads. Open huge open shower 103 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: and like you walked in it spicts out the wall 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 3: and some of the lady you know, and there were 105 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: people on it was and on Saturday nights there were 106 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 3: all these young men in the lobby and me, stupidly 107 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: I thought, oh, it's the boy scouts returning from a trip. 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: Oh so a lot was going down a lot and 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: I finally, you know, I finally we found an apartment 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: on the upper with this woman, with Vivian, we found 111 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: an apartment. There was a big bedroom. And even though 112 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: they were so kind to us and they built a 113 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: wall down the center, we got our separate bedrooms and 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: we It was the best thing that happened. We got 115 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: out of the y and that was New York. For me, 116 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: it was going to afford him no money. I had 117 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 3: no money, but that is none. 118 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: So there's so many things that are inspiring about that. 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: One is that it's very scary for parents. You were 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: one of five sisters and parents are like, okay, and 121 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: now to say it, I'm gonna do this. There was 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: no spoiled and titled that might have been fear, but 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm. 124 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 3: I packed doing bags and went to you know, big 125 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: bags and got there. I knew no one, but I 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: met my mentor, one of my biggest mentors at Fordham, 127 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: Joe Jozevsky, and he was at the theater in the 128 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: theater department. A teacher I was taught by. Deborah Monk, 129 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: was my first acting teacher. Deborah Monk, the great, the great, great, great, 130 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: gorgeous Deborah Monk was my first acting teacher at Fordham. Okay, 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: it was just I loved for it. I just I 132 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: go back every year now and speak to the graduating 133 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: actors every year. I had to miss a few times 134 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: here or there because I was shooting or something, but 135 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: I just did it, like a couple of weeks ago. 136 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: What were some of the shows that you did. 137 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: I did Pinter I did the famous pinter play Three Characters, 138 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: the Old Fair Betrayal, Trill Betrayal. You'd like the Trail 139 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: with Ron Morasco, the best actor ever at Fordham. I 140 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: was in his shadow. And I mean he's now an academic. 141 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: He's brilliant, brilliant man of renaissance man. He's writer, actor 142 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: director anyway, But I I formed, I became an actor, 143 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: and Joe Jozevsky helped shape me, directed me, and had 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: a gabbler in my senior year, you know, and then 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: I he's the one who told me you will get 146 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: into Yale. I said no, they had people were telling 147 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: me you have to have connections to get in the Yale. 148 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: Joe said, no, Patty, we're going to get the right 149 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 3: two right pieces for you and we're going to work 150 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: your ass off for this and you're going to get in. 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: So you knew then at Fordham, when you were getting 152 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: your BFA, yes, that you want your next goal was 153 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: MFA eal. 154 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: Well I always had. I never thought about film. I 155 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: always thought about theater, and I knew how important studying was. 156 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: And really, remember I had only had two years at Fordham. 157 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: I needed more depth and breadth of studying. And I 158 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: thought I just always had this thing about well, if 159 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: I could get into Yale, and I'll never forget the 160 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: day I lived. So we found an apartment, me and 161 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: Viviana on seventy seventh and Broadway and Fordham is at sixtieth. 162 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: And I got that letter in the mail. I opened 163 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: it at my little our little table that was in 164 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: our little apartment, and it says you have been accepted 165 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: to the School of Dramas. I ran seventeen blocks to Fordham. 166 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: Joe and everybody was in a staff meeting, and I 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: just went through the secretary. I just opened it in 168 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: and I said, Joe, right, and. 169 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: There's so much great, like I mean, first of all, 170 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: like remember that time in your life and everything. 171 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: First of all, it was nineteen eighty so. 172 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: For everyone to really this was eighty two. Now in 173 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty. 174 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: Two, eighty two, it's New York City. It's a very 175 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 2: special time in New York City. Things are real, you 176 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And you're young, and we're young 177 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: like that. 178 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: Twenty two everything was just like the world was. Everything 179 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: was before me, and I had nothing to regret behind me, 180 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: so everything was forward. And again my parents had to 181 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: find and I had a full ride to study at Rutgers. 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: I had a full I was offered a a I 183 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: was offered a soap opera. 184 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I was. 185 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: And my father was like, well, well of course she 186 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: takes you. 187 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: What made you know that you wanted to continue with learning, 188 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: in studying as opposed to hitting. 189 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: Did you see Broadway shows? 190 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: I would assume, And I saw it, and you know what, 191 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: you know what I saw like twelve times and I 192 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: had no money. I stood dream Girls. I was j Jennifer. 193 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: Most people would think it was some straight and I'm 194 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: not a musical theater person at all. Just if I 195 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: sang one note, you'd know immediately. I did dance when 196 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: I was young. But but Jennifer holiday that performance. I 197 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: saw that just it informed me in ways as an 198 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: actor that I will never lose. 199 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 4: You're you're eating that's I have a very tight dress, 200 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: gorgeous Christian Syrianna dress tomorrow night. 201 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: And I. 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: But anyway, so I'm yes, I'm girls, you're standing in 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 4: the yes and I because when she hits that last 204 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: closing song of Act one, and I am telling you, 205 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: she's just. 206 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's. 207 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: The earth moves, the earth. 208 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: Moves, and it's it's such a visceral, beautiful performance, and 209 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: you didn't want to change me. It just inform me 210 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: as an actress. Sorry, would go back and back and back. 211 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: You know. It's what I just told that all the 212 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: Fordham kids I just spoke to. I said, nobody, nobody 213 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: was filming anything. This is the Your cell phone is 214 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: a death of you as an actress. I felt everything 215 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: I saw. I didn't have to record it. It was 216 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: my body, my soul, my mind was recording it. I 217 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: will never forget Jennifer Holiday ever. I mean, Jennifer was 218 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: wonderful also, but Jennifer Holiday is my erson now in. 219 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: The eighties, specifically in that show which just blew it 220 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: off the room. 221 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: I had a rich friend and he came to visit me. 222 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: Kathy Smith and her mother bought us tickets and I 223 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: sat in. I sat down to watch it. Finally, Oh 224 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: my god, like really good seats. 225 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: So why didn't you just say I'm ready? 226 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: You know, after Fordam, Yeah, like I'm ready. I don't know. 227 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: I had this. I had this desire to keep trying 228 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: to hone my craft. You know, as actors we it 229 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: is a craft. It is a muscle that needs to 230 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: be flexed and toned and you know, exercise. But what 231 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 3: we ultimately want is to make art, and I think 232 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 3: it it's hard. It's hard to take craft and lift 233 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: it art. It's hard. 234 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: How come every senior in you own you own? 235 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: And clearly it started at fordom Patricia clar When you're 236 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: in a movie and you're in and you've done a 237 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: lot of theater, and you've done a lot of movies, when. 238 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: You walk on, can you identify it? Don't you know? 239 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: Do it? This is the only thing I do know 240 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: this as I've gotten older, and I hope this doesn't 241 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: sound pretentious. I think as actors we can only create 242 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: so much and fake so much, and kind of I 243 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: do believe that as we age, we bring more and 244 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: more and more of ourselves, and I think that's essential. 245 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: We have to marry life and art. And yes there 246 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: are times when we're outside the box of ourselves, but 247 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: ourselves we always have to. Our emotional life has to 248 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: somehow mirror our own right and maybe I'm comfortable the 249 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: body wants to shut you down when you act and 250 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: you do these very big emotional scenes, are you just 251 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: or when you're taking on like when I was doing 252 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: sharp objects, you know, these hideous scenes are poisoning my child. 253 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: The body wants to shut you down, but you have 254 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: to actually understand. You have to have the truth around it. 255 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: You have to understand it. You have to understand the 256 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: way Patty would understand it, so then it actually is 257 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: the way the character would understand. And as I've moved 258 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: forward in this world, I realize when I'm not present, 259 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: it's not a good thing. And as difficult as that is, 260 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: I think that's the shame about acting. Although things are 261 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: dramatically changing in Hollywood, as we age, we just we 262 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: get better because we're able to just be there. 263 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Table for two. 264 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: After earning not one, but two prestigious drama degrees, Patricia 265 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Clarkson began her professional life on stage. I want to 266 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: know when she first sensed that her career was taken off. 267 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: What's the first play you nail? 268 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: Hit? 269 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: Past that? 270 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: You were like, holy shit, you mean that? I got yes, well, 271 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: House of Blue Leaves on Broadway. I replaced Julie Haggerty 272 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: right after they won that, but I had an audition 273 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: for it. Originally had given this crazy audition, got a 274 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: standing ovation, but they went with Julie Haggerty. Nine months 275 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: later we. 276 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: Got standing ovation in the. 277 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: In the audition, John, they were so sweet. They were 278 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: so sweet to me, and so I think I'm getting this. 279 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: I bought a new dress, I had no money, I 280 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 3: had my hair because I'm playing you know, you can 281 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: say the hearing impair. She wasn't deaf, she was hearing 282 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: impaired movie star Corina. And I fell out my chair 283 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: and you know, and I didn't get the part. And 284 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 3: then nine months later, after they win the Tony, Julia 285 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 3: Haggerty's leaving to go do one of her big films 286 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: at the time. And I have a message on my 287 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: answering machine from Jerry's Axe Patricia. 288 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Jerry's right, We're. 289 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: Giving you the part, you know. And it was one 290 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a week. I thought I died and gone right. 291 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: I'd never made. 292 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: Any money, that's so amazing. 293 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: I stepped in to House of Blue Leaves. I'd done 294 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: a few plays off Broadway before that, some Richard Greenberg 295 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: and atest some beautiful and then but then I got 296 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: House of Blue Leaves on Broadway right after they won 297 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: the Tony. Know that. Then I'm in that for three months, 298 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: but then I have to leave it to go do 299 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: the Untouchables. 300 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So she just kind of throws the 301 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: Untouchables in. 302 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So the. 303 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: First movie This Gorgeous Woman Across from Me is in 304 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: is a Palmer film starring Kevin Costner in his height oftitious. 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: Gorgeous How did I mean? What I mean? That's it. 306 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: That's a huge, huge thing. You nail it. 307 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: Can you tell me about the process working with Brian 308 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: de Palmer making out with Kevin. 309 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 3: The famous great acting a great casting director who passed 310 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: away not long ago. Anyway, it'll come to me. And 311 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: I go in to read for him, and I kind 312 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: of was a little dulled up, and he goes listen. 313 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: I think Brian would like you, but you need to 314 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: come back in no makeup and don't wear that sexy dress. 315 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 3: So I go out by like a little house in 316 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: the prairie, drows seriously like like crunchy, like puffy sleeves 317 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: and like like a midt like a tie around the thing. 318 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: I walk in very unsuthered, like no makeup, like oh, 319 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: I hit my life, and and there's Brian to ball 320 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: and he the reader's there, but Brian reads Elliott nests 321 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: opposite me, and I think Brian liked the juxtaposition of 322 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: my kind of you know, deep voice, my kind of 323 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: you know, baritone dux opposed to my kind of you know, 324 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: upturned nose and you know, and my big hair. I 325 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: think he just liked that I was this sweet looking 326 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: person and I kind of had a little bit of 327 00:19:52,280 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: a naughty voice. Well, so I walk out the room 328 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: and the next thing I know is they're flying me. 329 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: I'm now in the middle of doing housabilities, but they're 330 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 3: flying me to Chicago to meet Kevin Costner. I have 331 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: a matinee I have to do, but they fly me on. 332 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: Like you it's seven, no, no, no, no, seven o'clock. 333 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 3: I walk in again. I wear kind of like a 334 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: plain Jane dress. I'm like Jesus, like these ugly shoes 335 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: and no make I'm like, oh God. And I walk 336 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: in and Kevin's kind of sweet and he's like, I 337 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 3: hear Brian, Brian loves you, Patricia. And I read with 338 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: Kevin and they tell me I have the part right 339 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: in the room, but my agents didn't believe me. So 340 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: I walk out. I'm like, I got the park. They're like, no, no, no, Patty. 341 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, no, They're not going 342 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: to lie to me. I would not lie to a 343 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: southern girl like with with who walked in with no 344 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 3: makeup and big hair, and of course, like you know, 345 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: I get back on the plane. I'm in my dressing 346 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: room preparing for my matinee. I made it back with 347 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: me matinee. Okay, but I'd never flown like first class. Really, 348 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: I never had a car picked me up. I never 349 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: had I had everybody just waiting on me. I never 350 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: had any of that. So anyway, I get back to 351 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: the dressing room in the phone rings and my agent 352 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, you were right, you got the car. 353 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: But Bruce, it was wall to wall white men. Even 354 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: my makeup artist was a white man. Really beautiful man. 355 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: Mike can't got beautiful and beautiful. Everybody everybody was mail. 356 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 3: My mother came to visit me in set because my 357 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: mother had business in Chicago at the time, and she 358 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: came to visit me. She was like, petty, Petty, I 359 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: don't know if this is good or bad, but there's 360 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: a lot of handsome men and there's just nothing but man, 361 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: if I can see for are there any ladies here? 362 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: Are there any ladies in Chicago? I mean, it was 363 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: just wall. I was the only woman on the set 364 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: and then there was my mother for a day and 365 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: my mother was like, oh, hello, but no, Brian was 366 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: Brian was incredible to me. And I'll tell you what 367 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: he did, and it still moves me to this day. 368 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: I was broke and I was being paid but minimum. 369 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: You know, they got me for scale, but I was 370 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: still struggling in New York City. And he knew it, 371 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: and he couldn't get me more money. But he told paramount, 372 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: he said, I think we need miss Ness in the courtroom. 373 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: I think we need her in the courtroom. And they said, well, 374 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: it's a it's not We're not shooting the courtroom till 375 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: the month. He said, well, I guess you're just gonna 376 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: have to pay her for a month because we need 377 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: her in that court. I got paid an extra month, 378 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: a whole month. It saved me. Yeah, and I just 379 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: sat in New York and went back and shopped the 380 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: court right, but I got paid. 381 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: That makes me so happy. 382 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: That till this day, he's my hero. He's he was amazing, 383 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: amazing to me. 384 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: You bring up something that's so obviously changed, which is 385 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: a white male set, and that was you know, obviously 386 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: probably over the last ten years, massive, massive, how has 387 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: that now been for you and work and the whole 388 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: movement of really diversifying the place, the movie set. 389 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: It's the thing that's ever happened in Hollywood. It's single. 390 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: It is the best thing. The best part of Hollywood 391 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: now is its diversity on camera. Off camera. We still 392 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: have a way to go, but I'm telling you off camera, 393 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: the things I've shot recently, everybody is reflected. When you 394 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 3: go to a movie set, you want to see yourself 395 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 3: reflected in all the people because the crew is part 396 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: of your life. You see them every day for twelve 397 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 3: fourteen hours a day, and often you're working for no money. 398 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: What are you there for if you're not reflected in 399 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: all of the people on that set, or more importantly, 400 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 3: if you're not reflected on film. Now sometimes you know, 401 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: we have to do things that don't include people of color, 402 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 3: if talking something historic but something important, but you know, 403 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: as a white woman, but an older white like, there's 404 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: older people now on sets. It used to just be 405 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: really young people, I mean young white guys and some 406 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: old guys that ran the show, and now it's older 407 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: women who are not giving up their careers, Beautiful makeup 408 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: artists and beautiful costume designers and beautiful set designers, all 409 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 3: of these women of many nationalities. We still have a 410 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: way to go, but it's the best thing that's ever 411 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 3: happened in Hollywood is the diversity. 412 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. 413 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Back on table for two, Patricia and I have had 414 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: a wonderful lunch talking about her career on Broadway and 415 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: the silver screen. All of a sudden, when I mentioned 416 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Chelsea Handler in passing, she calls her her hero. 417 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: Let's find out why. 418 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: I'm a sixty three year old, single, straight Southern woman 419 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 3: who never married and never had children. You know that 420 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: man who's got the squeaky voice, who says she must 421 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: be the most unhappy when in the world. Come to 422 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: our house one night and see just how unhappy Chelsea 423 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: and I are. I mean, look, I have so many 424 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: sisters who have beautiful children, and they now have beautiful children. 425 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: I love being an aunt. I love it more than 426 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: probably more than acting, which is odd. Okay, they're on 427 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 3: a par okay, but but I'm telling you, these are 428 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: gorgeous children. But that defined that, that doesn't have to 429 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: define every woman. 430 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: You know what, Like, You're right, you made a choice. 431 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: I made a big choice. 432 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: I made it. 433 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: But I knew it when I was young, and I've 434 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: had beautiful men in my life. And I thought about 435 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: it with this one artist I dated where it's I 436 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: was like thirty eight. I had a window, well, a 437 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: window to have a child. I was thirty eight, so 438 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: I had a window. But in the end of the day, 439 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: I loved working. And I grew up with great parents 440 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 3: who sacrificed everything for me. And you have to really 441 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 3: be committed to having children, right, you have to be 442 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: a great parent, And I was afraid I couldn't be. 443 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: I didn't want to fail at being a parent. I'm 444 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: fine failing as an actor. I didn't want to fail 445 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: as being a parent. But look, I'm a Southern woman. 446 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: But let me tell you who's the coolest about it 447 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: is my mother, like my mother, my father. My mother said, Patty, 448 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: I just don't want you to wake up at fifty 449 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 3: and be unhappy. I woke up at fifty in stilettos 450 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: and a fall far. I let me tell you, no, 451 00:27:53,960 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: I mean I had great sexy asfeh. I mean I 452 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm just saying is, And it's not that my whole 453 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: life is that. 454 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm just saying is. 455 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 3: I love being an a. I love being a sister, 456 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: I love being a daughter, I love being a great 457 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: best friend. I'm a very good friend. I think it's 458 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: not what I wanted to define me because I didn't 459 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: want to fail. 460 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: I also just watched for the first time Pieces of April, 461 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: and my question around that it was a serious family 462 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: you're sick with cancer. 463 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: Katie Holmes is. 464 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: Sort of like, oh, delicious, and Katie was delicious. 465 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: You have you come from a family of five sisters, 466 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: like are the traditions that like? You know, this was 467 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: about Thanksgiving and this was about the complexities of it. 468 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: Do your family and it was a great one. All 469 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: of you should see it and. 470 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: We all have Yes. Well, well, my mother she doesn't 471 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: cook anymore. You know, my parents are still with me. 472 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: They're eighty seven. 473 00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in credit. 474 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: My mother doesn't cook anymore. But you know it was 475 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: always you know, she was going to make Merlaton crab meat. 476 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: She's going to make jamalaia but very specific. You're very 477 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: going to make very specific jamalia. Not a Cajun. People 478 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: can flat Cajun and Creole. I'm Creole. We grew up 479 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: with Creole cooking. Creole is the Spanish and French influence 480 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: that really landed was throughout the people. It is. You know, 481 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: the people of New Orleans are a real gumbo. They're 482 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: such a mixture and that's the beauty of this city. 483 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: But the cooking, like my mother, my mother never saw 484 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: sausage in her life. You know, they did not cook. 485 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: My mother didn't cook with sausage really. 486 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: No. 487 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: Everything was crab meat, shrimp. 488 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: That's all Cajun. 489 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: That's all Cajun, and sausage and meat on doing. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, 490 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: my mother, My mother cooked you know, creole. So everything 491 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: we ate, we had big you know, and we always 492 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: my mother never allowed a container on the table like ketchup. 493 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: Everything had to be even though we were like but 494 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 3: my mother had nice things because she was given nice 495 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: things from like her bubby, from her you know, from 496 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: down the line. But you know, we were living in 497 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: the suburbs of our years outside New Orleans, going to 498 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: public school, but we still a ketchup bottle was not 499 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: allowed all the time. But I'm like mom, I think 500 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: we can put the. 501 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: Clarks and sisters kind of wild. 502 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 3: No, well, we were all very different, but we were 503 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: all we all have the same tambur of voice. Like 504 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: if all my sisters, any of my sisters walk in, 505 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: it just got deeper and deeper and deeper. But no, 506 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 3: we all have these kind of de voice of that 507 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: I think we got from my grandmother on my father's side. 508 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: We are very close. We were all like we were 509 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: all sixteen eighteen months apart. Wow, we were all like 510 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: five of us. We were all, you know, we were 511 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: born with them out you know, we all there were 512 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: five sets of hot curlers, five sets of you know 513 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: what I mean, we all we you know, boxes of 514 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: Tampa everywhere, my all, I mean like we just like 515 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: our whole house with curlers and tampas and Panny Huges. 516 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: Curlersas that's the memoir. That's the name of the memoir. 517 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I that that was there, like any 518 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: of that? Like, did you have any like sparring with one? Yes? 519 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: Well, Kevy my oldest sister, My sister was just ahead 520 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: of me. Her name is Kevin. My mother in nineteen 521 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty in nineteen fifty eight named my sister 522 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: Kevin Elizabeth. She knew a little girl named Kevin. How 523 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: cool was that? First of all, because my father was 524 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: never going to have a boy, so well, we'll give 525 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: her a boy name. Buzz that's my buys name, but 526 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 3: it'll be close enough, all right. But Heavy and I 527 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: had to share clothes and share a room, and as 528 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: we got into teenage years and hormones raising, racing, and 529 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: we even I think one year I had to share 530 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: hot curlers. I mean, we were always we had to 531 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: share everything, and that was rough. But you know, my 532 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: mother and father didn't. My mother wasn't working at the 533 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: time when we were growing up. My father was working 534 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: and he was running a children's home, and we didn't 535 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: have money, you know, so we sparred. We would fight. 536 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: But then but my fiercest, staunchest defenders till the day 537 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: I die. If something bad happens to me in this industry, 538 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: my sister's life that I don't care. I hate that, 539 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, they defend me to the death. 540 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: You do not want to best with the clarks And girls, No, no, no, 541 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: So they're beautiful. 542 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: So let's talk to you. Are starring in Monica. 543 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: Well, I mean the star is Tracey Lazet, but I 544 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: am a bigger I'm a bigger supporting character, very big. 545 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's a huge supporting character, and it's really 546 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: kind of the emotional thing around. 547 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I had to carry the emotional a lot of 548 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: the emotional way hinged on this character. 549 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: And again Patty Clarkson, just you own it, Honey, you 550 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: just own it. 551 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: It's a it's a You've always been a very strong 552 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: advocate for the LGBTQ plus. 553 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: Community, always always always talk to. 554 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: Us about this movie and about the complexities of the story. 555 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Bruce, if I can get through this 556 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: without crying, and and it's it's it's it's a very 557 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: it's taken a part of me being in this film 558 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: right now at this moment when I watch you know, 559 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: that beautiful woman who is just silenced on the Montana 560 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: floor for the rest of the year. 561 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 562 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: I met on the day at Baloo who's like you. 563 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 3: Boo's just a gorgeous pan physically and of fears and 564 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 3: just a beautiful director. And I met him long ago 565 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: at Marrakesh when I was on the jury and he 566 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: said I want to work with you someday and then 567 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 3: he finally cast Trace and then he came to me 568 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 3: to play the mother and I said yes. In one day. 569 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: I literally said yes. By the end of the day, 570 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: maybe the next morning. And so Trace and I were 571 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: attached to this film for quite some time. But raising 572 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 3: money for a transgender film it's hard. 573 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: It's hard. 574 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: Can you take a beat and explain Trace so everyone 575 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: who's listening can understand. 576 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: Trace is a beautiful transgender actress. The real thing. We 577 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: finally have a transgender actress that I'm not denigrating anybody 578 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 3: else who played transgender. You know, we were politically incorrect 579 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: often in Hollywood. It's not new to us. We've all 580 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: been at moments politically. But she is a absolutely beautiful 581 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 3: inside and out, beautiful transgender woman. And this story grew 582 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: up in Ohio. This story of Monica echoes hers. She's 583 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: still playing a different woman, but she left home also 584 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 3: like Monica. So the story of the movie is she's 585 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: an eighteen year old, leaves home, is not well treated 586 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 3: by the father. I don't know that I did the 587 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 3: best I could as the mother. There is guilt and 588 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: shame in my world. She transitions on her own, which 589 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 3: must have been brutal. And anyway, she's returning home to 590 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: me because I'm in the final stages of cancer, and 591 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: this is brutal cancer. It's brain cancer. I'm in the 592 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: final stages and I'm dying, and I think she's hospice. 593 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 3: This beautiful comes in. I have a nurse played by 594 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 3: the Great Adriana Barrazza, who was in battle. And anyway, 595 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: it's a pot of to where we get to. But trace, 596 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 3: you know, on the day I auditioned many, many, many people, 597 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: and then he got to trace and he found he 598 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: found Monica and very you know, there was no question 599 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: she is. And she's so beautiful and subtle and truthful 600 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: and open and available. And you know, I've been asked before, 601 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 3: how did you do these emotional scenes? And I say, well, 602 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 3: she was. The love I have for her off screen 603 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 3: is on screen. The reverence and the respect I have 604 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: of what she went through to get to where she 605 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 3: is now moves me to the core. And so it 606 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: was very emotional. The whole shoot of this movie was 607 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 3: very emotional because dealing with the real thing and someone 608 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 3: who has made this remarkable transformation. But you know, I 609 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 3: tell you, Bruce, I don't think a transgender person's life 610 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 3: is up for debate. They are Americans. They are free 611 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 3: to be here and free to be themselves. That's why 612 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 3: we fight. We're born here and stay here, or we fight. 613 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 3: People lose their lives fighting to get to this country 614 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 3: to what be persecuted. They're fleeing persecution. What the hell 615 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: are we doing persecuting people in this country? How do 616 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: you know how that person feels deep inside? They know, 617 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: their parent knows, often their doctor knows. Whenever they transition, 618 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 3: that is their choice, that is their freedom. Everybody balks 619 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 3: about freedom. Yeah, I don't think there's anything more American 620 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: than being transgender. There's nothing more beautiful than being transgender. 621 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: You have made it to the life you've always wanted. 622 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: You know, Trace Lessette is a beautiful, beautiful woman. And 623 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 3: I said, someday, Trace, you know, you are carrying the 624 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 3: banner and the flag. Thank you God for the transgender community. 625 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 3: She's so beloved in the transgender community. It's you know, 626 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 3: it's very moving to me, you know, to be a 627 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: part of all of this. But at the end of 628 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 3: the day, someday Trace will just be two actresses playing spies, 629 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's ultimately her goal 630 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: is just to be an actress. She's just a beautiful 631 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 3: woman in this world navigating a career completely. 632 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: I've had such an incredible lunch with Battye today. I 633 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: so admire her passion and how much she cares about others. 634 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: Before we go, she and I talk about how it 635 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: took a while to get the funding together for Monica 636 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: and how that led to a very interesting casting decision. 637 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 3: You know, this movie had no money, and you know 638 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 3: that the dog in the film is. 639 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 5: My own eyes because but and so on day, it 640 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 5: took us quite a while to get some filmed, some 641 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 5: money together. 642 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: So Andrea I would see easy in New York. She 643 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 3: he's here at the chateau because she just owned the chateau. 644 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: She roams free, and she's like Eloise, and. 645 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: You've made EASi, No I have. 646 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 3: She passed and so through that she she had plaits, 647 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 3: a kind of a dog form of lupas, and but 648 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 3: she lived to do the movie. Yeah, and she she 649 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 3: was so sweet during the filming. No, it was very hard. 650 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 3: Everybody in New York, who's coming to you know, all 651 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 3: my friends, they're all coming, I said, brinkleanex Yeah, oh yeah, 652 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 3: you know, because when you well, for other reasons, but 653 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 3: when you're going to see Izzy. 654 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, they all loved. 655 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 3: Oh, she was the love of every single friend of mine. 656 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 3: Everybody loved Dizzy. Everybody she was like it was like 657 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 3: she was like a little black fawn. I had like 658 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 3: a black fawn in my house or something, you. 659 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: Know, Pricia Clarkson, as we sort of, I know you 660 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: have a very busy day. I want to say that 661 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: not only do I know you're one of the most 662 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: talented human beings on the silver screen, on a Broadway stage, 663 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: you are completely one of the kindest, most just generous humans. 664 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: And I love running into you on sixth Avenue. I 665 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: love sitting with you in Hollywood, and thank you so much, 666 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: and and I admire your courage and everything that you've 667 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: done from that why I. 668 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 2: Amc a shitdes form room to this movie. Thank you 669 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: so much. 670 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 3: You realize everything's going to be downhill from here on out, 671 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 3: but I'm taking the rest of my. 672 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 2: All right, everyone, thank you for pulling up with s 673 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 2: heare today. Thanks miss Patricia clarks Thank you. 674 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 6: Table for two with Bruce Bosi is produced by iHeartRadio 675 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 6: seven three seven Park and Airmail. 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