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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 2: Welcome back George Noria Alongo Dala Jndo Rojas. As we

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Speaker 2: talk about this new app called Enigma from l Enigma Labs,

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Speaker 2: which gives you vital to UFO information. We'll get more

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Speaker 2: into that in the moment. Alejandro, you were talking about

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Speaker 2: NASA and astronauts. Do you get a lot of reports

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Speaker 2: from them?

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Speaker 3: We don't, unfortunately, But that is what I was alluding to,

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Speaker 3: is that, you know, I'd always ask the NASA press people.

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, if I asked the astronaut about UFOs,

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Speaker 3: because it's kind of one of my beats, and they

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Speaker 3: were always very excited. They were like, please do I'm

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Speaker 3: so curious to what they would say. So they were

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Speaker 3: always very positive about it, although unfortunately none of them

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Speaker 3: told me they had their experience. Scott Kelly did say

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Speaker 3: at one point he saw something and he was freaking

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Speaker 3: out because he thought, oh my gosh, what is that.

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Speaker 4: But then he figured out what it was and he

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, we just have those events sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you do with the information that goes

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Speaker 2: into Enigma from the people, How do you analyze it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so great question.

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Speaker 3: So currently we crowdsource the analysis, so a big part

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Speaker 3: of Enigma and you can go to Enigma Labs dot io.

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Speaker 4: That's the website if you're on the laptop.

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Speaker 3: That reminded me because you guys in your advertising remind

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Speaker 3: people of the website. But what we do is if

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Speaker 3: you go to Enigma Labs dot io, you'll see there's

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Speaker 3: comments on all of the sightings and you'll see we've

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Speaker 3: created this robust community of people who are very good

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Speaker 4: You thought it is?

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Speaker 2: This?

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Speaker 3: Is it that we've got. Then the witness is typically

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Speaker 3: interfacing with people saying, well, I did think of it,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think it's just because of that, or

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Speaker 3: we figure out what it is. And there have been

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Speaker 3: and that's kind of exciting in itself. There have been

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Speaker 3: several things that are novel that people didn't know about

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Speaker 3: that we've been able to identify. Most for example, SpaceX,

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Speaker 3: not just the satellites themselves, which can do weird things,

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Speaker 3: but especially the spacecraft. Even just this week and Texas

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Speaker 3: we had this where one of the things that SpaceX

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Speaker 3: spacecraft will do in it it'll turn around and slow

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Speaker 3: down and it shoots this ginormous kind of halo of

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Speaker 3: It looks like kind of this spaceship, something out of

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Speaker 3: Star Wars. And people have gotten these videos and you know,

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Speaker 3: they don't know what the heck they are. I didn't neither,

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Speaker 3: but after doing some research, we were able to figure

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Speaker 3: out what it was and then inform people. So it's

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Speaker 3: really helpful that way too, because then we all get

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Speaker 3: to learn together about these things, and even pilots make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Pilots were reporting these weird objects that were kind of

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Speaker 3: going in a circular pattern. They called them racetrack UFOs.

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Speaker 3: I got ahold of my buddy Ben Hampson, who works

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Speaker 4: We're researching them.

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Speaker 3: We eventually figured out that they were space like satellites.

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Speaker 3: They just looked different from aircraft, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: seeing these weird UFOs. They got embarrassed unfortunately, because they

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Speaker 3: they were like really embarrassed by it. But I don't

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Speaker 3: should be. We're all learning together, and that's what's great

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Speaker 3: about our community is we're learning to analyze these sightings together,

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Speaker 3: so we're educating each other so we get better and

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Speaker 3: better videos and we're able to help each other out.

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Speaker 3: So currently we're crowd analyzing. In the future, we are

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Speaker 3: working on AI tools to be able to identify. In fact,

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Speaker 3: we have an AR camera on the app, so you

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Speaker 3: there is a tab where it'll show you all of

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Speaker 3: right where you're looking, just like all these apps do,

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Speaker 3: that's that's SpaceX or you know, that's that's some astronomical thing.

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Speaker 3: But if nothing's there, you know, then you can say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, I use your app. I checked there were

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Speaker 3: no planes or anything that were supposed to be in

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Speaker 3: we've got these built in tools to help people with

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Speaker 4: Better at that and further on.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're hoping and we are working on AI

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Speaker 3: recommendations and it probably won't be too long till we

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Speaker 3: have this out. It'll say, you know, our AI tool

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Speaker 3: says this is likely this and you know the witness

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Speaker 3: can take it or leave it, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, dear friend, Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting

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Speaker 2: Center started at all years ago with his reporting network

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Speaker 2: which was based primarily on the phone, and then his website.

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Speaker 2: You've taken it a step further with Enigma Labs. Congratulations exactly,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Peter was a big inspiration we used

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Speaker 3: to and I think we still have a picture of

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Speaker 3: him up in the office because you're right, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's one of the giants two shoulders we stand on,

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Speaker 3: and you know we have been in communication with him

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Speaker 3: over the time. Interesting enough, speaking of Kevin talking about Madar,

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Speaker 3: Peter Davin part thinks my Madar is the way to go.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been on your show a few times

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Speaker 3: talking about that. But yeah, I agree, and you can

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Speaker 3: see his sighting in our app.

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Speaker 4: So all of his reports, historical reports.

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Speaker 3: A lot of other organizations we've got in the app,

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Speaker 3: so people can still see those sightings. But you know,

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Speaker 3: we've been collecting a lot on our own that are

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Speaker 2: How do you vet some of the reports, Alejandro, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another great question my kind of theory, and

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Speaker 3: with most of us were only you know, wanting to

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Speaker 3: being silly or something like that, because at least, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of the data is still valuable. So for instance, drones,

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Speaker 3: we could have just said, you know, let's not you know,

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Speaker 4: Drones, some of these, let's not approve those.

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Speaker 3: But then the drone thing happened last year, and it's

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Speaker 3: write up some reports and share that information, which was helpful,

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's same with the space X stuff.

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Speaker 4: Let's not put that on the app.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, if we don't do that,

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Speaker 3: we're not educating people on what the satellites look like

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Speaker 3: people discuss and come to their own conclusions on each

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Speaker 4: And that's what I do every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at these videos every day to pick out

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Speaker 3: me to get to people that to say, hey, this

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Speaker 4: I know you're working on Orange ORBES, maybe.

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Speaker 3: You'll find this one interesting to kind of hopefully keep

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Speaker 3: some scientific analysis going on out there too.

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Speaker 2: Uh, the app is relatively new, so you don't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of compelling data to compare with previous reports.

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Speaker 2: But could you say if ufour reports are on the

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've been doing this for a really

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Speaker 3: long time. In fact, I've been doing data and reports

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Speaker 3: had a standard, consistent reporting center. Hopefully, you know, it'd

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Speaker 3: be great if our app becomes that, but certainly the

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Speaker 3: government isn't doing that. AEROW still isn't taking public reports

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Speaker 3: someone probably independent of the government, I guess anyway, But

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Speaker 3: I don't think we have enough data to say that.

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Speaker 3: You know, let's take Davenport for instance. His siting reports

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Speaker 3: and there's that's an example of how we just haven't

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Speaker 4: That's the big problem everybody was saying it.

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Speaker 3: I think NASA and a government were right when they

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Speaker 4: That we just don't have enough data.

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Speaker 3: Now, of course we don't know what data the government

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things have slowed down from years ago.

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Speaker 2: Alien of production cases are slower, crop formations and circles

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Speaker 2: We're not getting any reports like that anymore.

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Speaker 4: What do you think is going on, Alejandro?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Lee called does UFO nests if

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Speaker 4: But yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, over the years, you do see these trends though,

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Speaker 3: you do see these waves. So for example, the seventies

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Speaker 4: So we have these waves that happen.

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Speaker 3: It seems like I think there's a few reasons that

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Speaker 3: could be if it's a real phenomena, you know, it

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Speaker 3: could be that whatever was creating that phenomena is not

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Speaker 4: You're only here for a certain period of time.

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Speaker 3: Some people believe that, you know, maybe there's different civilizations

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Speaker 3: coming in different waves, or you know it Also some people,

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Speaker 3: the skeptics, would argue that, you know, those events were

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to say, but you're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, we do have these waves,

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Speaker 4: It seems like those are waves that come and go.

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Speaker 3: That you know, you'll have these kind of periods of

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Speaker 4: How did you get involved in this alehundra?

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Speaker 2: Was there one case, one story that captured your attention?

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Speaker 4: Great question. It wasn't necessarily one case.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of funny story because I really it

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Speaker 3: and I was, you know, I've always been interested in

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Speaker 4: I thought he was ridiculous, and I got really frustrated.

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Speaker 3: But when I looked into it, I was like, you're right,

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Speaker 3: If these important people are claiming these incredible things, that's

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Speaker 4: So that's how I got involved.

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Speaker 2: Look Magazine when they wrote the Interrupted Journey, the Barney

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Speaker 4: I can see why great case.

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Speaker 2: One of the best. See, we don't have those, but

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Speaker 4: I know we don't, and that's where I'm hoping that

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Speaker 3: This was a really cool when I talked about earlier

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Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm looking at a model of the Phoenix

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Speaker 3: But if the Phoenix Lights had happened today, with the

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Speaker 4: On that thing.

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Speaker 3: We would have a bunch of videos from different directions. Actually,

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Speaker 4: An event like this.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm really excited that should that happen again,

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Speaker 3: win a big event. You know, Nick Pope says UFOs

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Speaker 3: like you said, it's Benning Barty Hill of Phoenix Lights.

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Speaker 3: It's these events that occur that get everybody excited limics

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