1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:31,239 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. 2 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:33,678 Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in 3 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:36,399 Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches 4 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history. 5 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 3: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 6 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: Mike Rainbow. 7 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 8 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 9 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 4: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 10 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 4: coy Or. 11 00:00:48,278 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 12 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,119 Speaker 3: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 13 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:55,679 Speaker 5: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 14 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,479 Speaker 2: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 15 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:05,238 Speaker 4: Good morning, Happy Friday. We turned the snow machine on 16 00:01:05,279 --> 00:01:07,318 Speaker 4: to get ready for the game. But be good, we'll 17 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:08,799 Speaker 4: be outside. It'll be good to get out there in 18 00:01:08,839 --> 00:01:11,999 Speaker 4: the elements. Look, today's a huge red every day and 19 00:01:12,199 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 4: really just wrap up the rest of the week, and 20 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 4: we need a good practice today and really go out 21 00:01:16,839 --> 00:01:22,158 Speaker 4: there and perform the right way fireway. Yeah, per instead 22 00:01:22,158 --> 00:01:23,798 Speaker 4: of prayer last night, give me a little bit of snow. 23 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 4: It's supposed to be cold though, so be good yesterday. Yeah, yeah, 24 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 4: you know, just I feel for Bar he did everything 25 00:01:37,199 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: right and you know, for those things to pop back 26 00:01:40,039 --> 00:01:41,518 Speaker 4: up just unfortunate. 27 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:42,359 Speaker 1: Uh. 28 00:01:42,399 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 4: And again, look, I look at these guys as men 29 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,599 Speaker 4: first before football players, and uh, there's nothing more important 30 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:57,359 Speaker 4: than the health of our individuals play football. We're not 31 00:01:57,559 --> 00:02:00,479 Speaker 4: having those conversations right now. It's you know again, just 32 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:06,439 Speaker 4: about getting them healthy. Now some transactional nature like you 33 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 4: have a fifty one players assume kid, and. 34 00:02:09,279 --> 00:02:12,039 Speaker 5: I'll probably at some point to take one of those. 35 00:02:12,079 --> 00:02:14,518 Speaker 5: But do you have any thoughts on what that might 36 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 5: look like. 37 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:16,198 Speaker 2: Fifty fifty three? 38 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:18,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, we we have a pretty good idea of you 39 00:02:18,478 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 4: know who we're going to sign in those spots. But 40 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:23,159 Speaker 4: like I said, like right now on Friday, it's about 41 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:25,798 Speaker 4: the red area, it's about tightening screws, and it's about 42 00:02:26,038 --> 00:02:27,999 Speaker 4: playing the team that's playing the best in the NFL 43 00:02:28,079 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 4: right now. 44 00:02:29,079 --> 00:02:32,039 Speaker 5: With Ellis Erickson, uh was the thought of signing him. 45 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 5: It's a depth of plump returner with Marcus currently not 46 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:40,279 Speaker 5: privicy right now. Yes, there have been a couple of 47 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:42,999 Speaker 5: times this season where You've got to clarify or met. 48 00:02:42,758 --> 00:02:43,918 Speaker 1: In previous comments. 49 00:02:44,399 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: You comfortable with your messaging approach. 50 00:02:46,519 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 5: Are you concerned about with how that. 51 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,759 Speaker 4: Might come across concerned My man concern is the guys 52 00:02:50,758 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 4: in the locker room on a day after day basis, 53 00:02:52,959 --> 00:02:56,039 Speaker 4: the people that know me. And you know, again, you know, 54 00:02:56,079 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: it's all about this game here. 55 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: You have a lot of it's back for that. Now. 56 00:03:01,279 --> 00:03:03,599 Speaker 6: How impactful is he on the game and how much 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 6: does he change stakes. 58 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:04,999 Speaker 1: For you guys? 59 00:03:05,079 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've always said he has great instincts, 60 00:03:07,038 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 4: is a good player and helps those guys get lined up, 61 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,599 Speaker 4: and you know, he's definitely definitely a good player for 62 00:03:11,679 --> 00:03:13,238 Speaker 4: him and you know, we'll see how the game goes. 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,439 Speaker 1: Do you expid. 64 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:16,038 Speaker 3: Marcus jos To, because we're going to know when we 65 00:03:16,079 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 3: see on practice. 66 00:03:16,999 --> 00:03:19,478 Speaker 6: Can you give any ideal with the piment. 67 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 5: Not at this moment. You know, we'll see how you 68 00:03:23,239 --> 00:03:28,599 Speaker 5: know today in the next couple of days. Ago, Yes, it's. 69 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:32,719 Speaker 6: Light dridging the point about the media messaging. We've been 70 00:03:32,758 --> 00:03:35,039 Speaker 6: hanging out speaking regularly for like five six months down. 71 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,479 Speaker 6: Just curious any any kind of lesson the thing you've 72 00:03:37,559 --> 00:03:39,759 Speaker 6: learned about this is the better or the best way 73 00:03:39,799 --> 00:03:42,238 Speaker 6: to go about dealing with the media regularly. 74 00:03:43,519 --> 00:03:45,599 Speaker 4: No, honestly, I haven't really thought about that. 75 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:48,279 Speaker 5: Again, you know, I'm here all day. 76 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,279 Speaker 4: Thinking about football and this week has been thinking about 77 00:03:51,279 --> 00:03:51,719 Speaker 4: the Bills. 78 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:56,479 Speaker 1: We guys considered I'm using the practice walking or John 79 00:03:56,559 --> 00:03:58,799 Speaker 1: Parker over Joey Slide. 80 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:01,399 Speaker 3: Consider it's been a little consistent over the last I. 81 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 5: Mean games, or will you stick with slide throughout this five? 82 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:06,279 Speaker 5: Right now? 83 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:12,319 Speaker 6: Defensively, we talked to DeMarcus Element yesterday, just what do 84 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:12,919 Speaker 6: you think how. 85 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:17,078 Speaker 5: Where the defense is right now it turns out better? 86 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:20,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, we just look, we always say it's about consistency. 87 00:04:20,558 --> 00:04:23,199 Speaker 4: Everything is about consistency. And look, we have to go 88 00:04:23,239 --> 00:04:25,199 Speaker 4: out there and play with good fundamentals and execute the 89 00:04:25,239 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: game plan and you know, just get better in all 90 00:04:27,318 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 4: three phases fundamentally. 91 00:04:30,239 --> 00:04:31,879 Speaker 2: Kind of second New Year, like did you build a 92 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:32,639 Speaker 2: base and like. 93 00:04:33,479 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 5: A training camp to rely on it later in the 94 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,639 Speaker 5: year to be looking back on it. Do you feel 95 00:04:38,678 --> 00:04:39,718 Speaker 5: like you built a good. 96 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:43,439 Speaker 3: A good pace, understanding that some of the guys that 97 00:04:43,438 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 3: are been in and out of it, you know, if 98 00:04:44,558 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: there's some good guys in it out. 99 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:48,278 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know for me, you know, going back to 100 00:04:48,318 --> 00:04:51,079 Speaker 4: training camp, not to go you know, it's all about 101 00:04:51,119 --> 00:04:52,639 Speaker 4: the bills. But going back to training camp, we had 102 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:55,118 Speaker 4: a tough training camp, and again it just comes down 103 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:58,399 Speaker 4: to a week after week consistent, uh, consistently going out 104 00:04:58,438 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 4: there playing well. 105 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson seems that he's been a bright spot over 106 00:05:02,198 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 3: the second half of the season. 107 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:05,118 Speaker 5: Year he talked about a. 108 00:05:05,198 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 3: Change of mentality the mid season point. Did you talk 109 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,759 Speaker 3: to him at all about that or you know, how 110 00:05:10,799 --> 00:05:12,079 Speaker 3: did that roll off on other players? 111 00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 5: Nothing? 112 00:05:12,958 --> 00:05:14,519 Speaker 4: I mean, he just looked himself in the mirror and 113 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,078 Speaker 4: made the adjustments and it's paying off. You know, it's 114 00:05:17,198 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 4: it's uh, you know, doing everything with intention, everything on purpose. 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,238 Speaker 4: That was kind of his mindset and and it's helping 116 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 4: him out and helping us out. 117 00:05:25,678 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 5: We got should go Jampot Jim and Bicker up a 118 00:05:27,719 --> 00:05:28,238 Speaker 5: lot this year. 119 00:05:28,359 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 6: You know what are these two kids he some of 120 00:05:30,678 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 6: these last three weeks to try to finish. 121 00:05:33,438 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there's nothing more important, you know besides 122 00:05:35,719 --> 00:05:38,278 Speaker 4: the game obviously then practice and really it's just going 123 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 4: out there, going back to the work, consistency, being a 124 00:05:40,719 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 4: consistent UH player on the field, and that's what they 125 00:05:44,039 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 4: have to do when it comes. 126 00:05:45,958 --> 00:05:49,199 Speaker 3: To cold strange. Just what's the chances of you guys 127 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,878 Speaker 3: seeing him on the field before the season ends, and 128 00:05:52,039 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 3: how realistic. Is it for him to play. 129 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 5: Center, you know, in a game after not really doing. 130 00:05:56,039 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: That at all yet in the NFL? 131 00:05:57,799 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Cole Cole has definitely battled his way back, 132 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 4: and you know, I'm sure. 133 00:06:02,318 --> 00:06:03,879 Speaker 5: I don't want to say I'm sure, but hopefully we 134 00:06:03,958 --> 00:06:04,998 Speaker 5: get to see him at some point. 135 00:06:05,119 --> 00:06:07,959 Speaker 4: But now, you know, we feel good about where we 136 00:06:08,039 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 4: are up front, and that's what we're going to roll out. 137 00:06:10,039 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: There with getting any closer return single day. 138 00:06:14,799 --> 00:06:16,398 Speaker 5: Can't I don't want to put a timetable on it 139 00:06:16,438 --> 00:06:18,079 Speaker 5: because I might have to walk it back at some point. 140 00:06:22,119 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: Good Brown, Ben Brown, we talked a couple of bad 141 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 3: snaps obviously. Do you think there was anything that lead 142 00:06:31,719 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 3: to those issues because we haven't seen that in the 143 00:06:33,318 --> 00:06:35,678 Speaker 3: pass from him or anything to fix moving forward. 144 00:06:35,958 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was very out of character for 145 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:40,879 Speaker 4: a player who's been very consistent for us. And again 146 00:06:40,919 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 4: we'll have another opportunity this weekend to improve those things. 147 00:06:46,159 --> 00:06:46,878 Speaker 5: Due to injury. 148 00:06:47,438 --> 00:06:49,079 Speaker 6: But Kate, I mean, do you feel like you have 149 00:06:49,119 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 6: a better sense whether he could play left to get 150 00:06:51,438 --> 00:06:54,718 Speaker 6: right tackle or might be better at just one position. 151 00:06:55,318 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 5: No, we're not. 152 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: I don't think I have a better sense either spot 153 00:06:58,999 --> 00:07:00,759 Speaker 4: Like for me, it's just about going out there being 154 00:07:00,799 --> 00:07:05,878 Speaker 4: healthy and then we'll evaluate them after that. Sorry, we've 155 00:07:05,919 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 4: talked about Joe kind of being used to help prepare 156 00:07:08,078 --> 00:07:11,759 Speaker 4: for those opposing team quarterbacks. What is it sweet thing 157 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,399 Speaker 4: he's doing differently for Josh Allen because that's a guy 158 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:15,279 Speaker 4: who's been running. 159 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:16,919 Speaker 5: In can throw the ball. Yeah, yeah, I talked to 160 00:07:16,999 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 5: the guys this morning. 161 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:20,959 Speaker 4: Josh Allen is very dangerous when he's on the sideline, 162 00:07:21,159 --> 00:07:23,719 Speaker 4: like when he's close to the sideline, and those extended plays. 163 00:07:23,719 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about on the bench. I'm talking to 164 00:07:25,159 --> 00:07:28,039 Speaker 4: those extended plays because as much as you hear coaches 165 00:07:28,039 --> 00:07:29,879 Speaker 4: always say don't throw the ball across the field, he 166 00:07:29,919 --> 00:07:31,279 Speaker 4: can make all the throws no matter. 167 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:32,399 Speaker 5: Where he is on the field. So we have to 168 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:33,839 Speaker 5: continue to play throughout the downs. 169 00:07:34,159 --> 00:07:37,639 Speaker 6: Is he playing as well as any quarterback you've faced, 170 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 6: either as players or coach. 171 00:07:41,479 --> 00:07:45,039 Speaker 5: I mean he's up there. He's up there with the 172 00:07:45,679 --> 00:07:46,879 Speaker 5: pass rush this season. 173 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:49,359 Speaker 3: I know talking to players that talked about they aren't 174 00:07:49,479 --> 00:07:53,039 Speaker 3: you They're not They're playing from behind. Maybe they aren't 175 00:07:53,078 --> 00:07:55,279 Speaker 3: the best situations to get up the pass or at 176 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:57,719 Speaker 3: all times? Is that also, what do you see just 177 00:07:57,799 --> 00:08:00,519 Speaker 3: affect the pressure numbers are down or is it something else? 178 00:08:01,799 --> 00:08:01,959 Speaker 5: You know? 179 00:08:02,239 --> 00:08:03,999 Speaker 4: I think it's I mean, it depends on what game 180 00:08:04,039 --> 00:08:07,319 Speaker 4: you watch and look for this game here, which hopefully 181 00:08:07,359 --> 00:08:09,639 Speaker 4: all the guys and I know all the coaches well 182 00:08:09,799 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 4: players are focused on the bills. It's just about crushing 183 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:14,078 Speaker 4: the pocket and keeping Josh in there. 184 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,159 Speaker 2: Then yes on yesterday or Alex was talking about the 185 00:08:17,239 --> 00:08:20,599 Speaker 2: drink and his seeks and if I have it right 186 00:08:20,719 --> 00:08:21,519 Speaker 2: up the top of my head. 187 00:08:21,879 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 5: He basically said, I don't make sure we get him 188 00:08:24,239 --> 00:08:24,959 Speaker 5: the next season. 189 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:28,158 Speaker 2: If I don't have to seek, I don't, you know, I. 190 00:08:28,159 --> 00:08:29,759 Speaker 1: Don't want to seek, but he would if it was 191 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:31,719 Speaker 1: like a gotta have it play or whatever. 192 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: I just want to ask you your thoughts, I mean, 193 00:08:33,999 --> 00:08:34,718 Speaker 2: are you good with that? 194 00:08:35,359 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 5: Look? 195 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,159 Speaker 4: I would say Alex and Drake and myself are always 196 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:39,479 Speaker 4: going to do what's best for the team and try 197 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:40,838 Speaker 4: to put us in a position to win games. 198 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 5: Thanks us. 199 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,639 Speaker 2: Patriots Playbook Join John Rook as he brings you all 200 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,039 Speaker 2: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 201 00:08:51,719 --> 00:08:54,119 Speaker 2: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 202 00:08:54,119 --> 00:08:56,159 Speaker 2: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 203 00:08:56,199 --> 00:08:57,359 Speaker 2: state of the team, but where. 204 00:08:57,199 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 5: The Patriots are concerned. 205 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:00,879 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done, and let's get it 206 00:09:00,999 --> 00:09:04,159 Speaker 1: done right, and then we can worry about versatility. 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