Speaker 1: Learned enough small talk to know to just like follow
Speaker 1: the score and then be like, that's this goddamn pitching?
Speaker 1: Or what happened to their bats? Their bats fell asleep?
Speaker 1: Huh man? They called Bruce Wayne, Yeah, what is this
Speaker 1: the batcave? Because the bats fell asleep? Here is that?
Speaker 1: That's probably not? What what is this? Wayne Manor because
Speaker 1: the bats fell asleep? What is it? What is it
Speaker 1: three in the afternoon? Because I think the bats are asleep?
Speaker 1: What am I? What? What? What is it?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Am I? What? What?
Speaker 3: I just watching that first game though, too, I was
Speaker 3: like watching Yamamoto pitch, even though he wasn't on the
Speaker 3: team last year, Like we just we just don't do
Speaker 3: well when we get smacked in the mouth early on,
Speaker 3: like when it's in the postseason and there's like barely.
Speaker 1: Pull it off like in Game one. But we'll see
Speaker 1: different energy like another city that has or like even
Speaker 1: another team like the Mets, if they start having postseason success,
Speaker 1: it's like this wave of like energy and excitement. But
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers, it's just like disappointed expectations. Like if
Speaker 1: they you're just like especially now, yeah, you're just rolling
Speaker 1: in being like they better fucking do it tonight, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's almost I think like American professional sports.
Speaker 1: It that's just what happens too.
Speaker 3: Like there's just momentum that builds. It's never about like
Speaker 3: you have to truly be an underdog for like your
Speaker 3: whole fan base to be like to have that kind
Speaker 3: of mental resilience to be like, no, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: all right, We're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something has to like switch in the whole,
Speaker 1: like dynamics, the metaphysics of like baseball fandom. For like
Speaker 1: them to just not feel like there's like pressure on
Speaker 1: them is like my kind of vague psychoanalysis, like what's
Speaker 1: wrong with them? I love that look. And yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw shit at you from this lost start kid.
Speaker 3: I mean still, I'm pretty sure Dodger Stadium is like
Speaker 3: the worst place to go to if you're not.
Speaker 1: Wearing a Dodge Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could go to like a Beyonce concert and
Speaker 3: wear like a Twins hat and get jumped somehow, like
Speaker 3: just because it's at Dodger.
Speaker 1: Statement like that, Hello the Internet, and welcome to this
Speaker 1: week trend edition of Guitar. Yeah, yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: productive of Art Radio. It's the show where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into American share consciousness, and it's the
Speaker 1: episode where we tell you what was trending over the weekend.
Speaker 1: We also tell you a little bit about ourselves by
Speaker 1: telling you an overrated, under rated. I am Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 1: That over there is Jack O'Brien, mister Miles grow and
Speaker 1: I'm Miles Gray this week, yep, you're my your I
Speaker 1: will be playing with Miles Gray this week. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I'm actually Miles Gray is understudy, but I'm
Speaker 1: you're nailing it, by the way, Steve, You're nailing Thanks
Speaker 1: so much. Just Miles is and credible.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Banjo, Eric really looking forward to another
Speaker 3: sick week talking about Arsenal and Weed.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty Your name's.
Speaker 3: Me, Miles Lakers, Weed, Arsenal, Japan rap.
Speaker 1: Sneakers.
Speaker 3: All right, gotta go cold brew. Thanks for that, producer, Brian,
Speaker 3: I mean Brian the editor. Fuck I'm getting I'm still
Speaker 3: learning the part. I'm still learning the part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's Brian the editor. But we'll we'll we'll
Speaker 1: fix that in post Man and we'll pitch you up
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: My favorite topic, cold brewed coffees.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounded all right. Miles quotes. Let's let them
Speaker 1: get to know us a little bit better by telling
Speaker 1: them something we think is underrated, something we think is overrated.
Speaker 1: A dealer's choice where you want to go? Uh, let's
Speaker 1: do over over first? Yeap ye see that? Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I liked it. Look, I'm playing the part
Speaker 1: of Myles.
Speaker 3: I'm just letting my wings just spread wide, and I'm saying,
Speaker 3: let's just just do it.
Speaker 1: Reverse, let's go, let's go over all right, you want
Speaker 1: to start, you want me to start? Why don't you start? Okay?
Speaker 1: So my overrated is the scariness of being chased by
Speaker 1: a fast guy versus a slow guy. Okay, So logically
Speaker 1: I should be more scared of a person who is
Speaker 1: fast and trying to kill me, sure than I should
Speaker 1: be of Jason Voorheats, who is slow and trying to
Speaker 1: kill me. When I watched that movie, you know that's
Speaker 1: the Uh, he's slow, he's relentless, kind of lumbering, and
Speaker 1: even like when I think about the parts from Scream
Speaker 1: where it like takes me out of it, it's when
Speaker 1: ghost Face looks like he's in a hurry. By the way,
Speaker 1: he brought to you by Halloween, this being the spooky
Speaker 1: month of Halloween. I've been thinking horror movies. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you see him kind of physically trying to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you had to you had to kick in an extra gear. Huh,
Speaker 1: so you're not. It almost was like, so do you
Speaker 1: do this normally? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly are you trying
Speaker 1: so hard? Why are you so fussy?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Why you seem so nervous? You're kind of clubsy cutting
Speaker 1: around those corners, my man. Yeah, yeah, when he's running,
Speaker 1: that really fucks me up. That takes me out of
Speaker 1: the whole screen sake. And then like the fact that
Speaker 1: it took us fifty years to invent fast zombies or
Speaker 1: however long you know, it took us decades to invent
Speaker 1: fast zombies. Zombies were just slow, lumbering but incessant, you know,
Speaker 1: determined to get them brains, to get in them brains.
Speaker 1: So I've always been wondering about that, and I kind
Speaker 1: of just attributed to Yeah, they looked like a little
Speaker 1: silly sprinting around in a hurry, But I just I
Speaker 1: do feel like there is something bone deep about like
Speaker 1: what is scary about Jason walking after you with determination. Right.
Speaker 1: So then, and this is another This is another edition
Speaker 1: of Jack shares what he heard on a kids science
Speaker 1: podcast over the weekend. I will not apologize. I heard
Speaker 1: this episode of Radio Lab for kids about how our
Speaker 1: ability to kind of relentlessly run down prey. It was
Speaker 1: the thing that like put us in a position where
Speaker 1: we could like have enough calories to like grow our
Speaker 1: brains evolutionarily. Like the way we hunted was just by
Speaker 1: moving at a slow, steady pace after animals that could
Speaker 1: like sprint away and then them down. Yeah, and just eventually,
Speaker 1: after hours and hours of like tracking them, they would
Speaker 1: you know, be exhausted and just and we would just
Speaker 1: like walk up to their keeled over, exhausted forms and
Speaker 1: just like calmly smash their brains in with a rock.
Speaker 1: Like that was that was what our ascension to the
Speaker 1: position of super predator look like. And the reason is
Speaker 1: actually so so my my very loose theory is maybe
Speaker 1: this is why humans walking are scarier than humans like
Speaker 1: sprinting is because it's just like a slow, steady approach
Speaker 1: is like we know somewhere deep down we're like, ah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's bad. And also the secret weapon is like,
Speaker 1: we're sweaty. So animals most animals can't dump heat the
Speaker 1: way we can because they don't sweat. So the animals
Speaker 1: that we were able to get like, they pant and
Speaker 1: so panting and running you can't do those two things
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I also wonder if that's
Speaker 1: maybe why wet people are scarier than dry people. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you mean wet people are scarier? Don't you think?
Speaker 1: Like horror movie like Jason's always wet. I feel like
Speaker 1: dry horror movie villains less scary than wet horror movie villain.
Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't for me. The wet part. I'm like, whatever, Bro,
Speaker 3: you're gross either way. Like it's like a hat on
Speaker 3: a hat. At that point, it's like, oh, you're a
Speaker 3: killer and a wet right, I'm my brother. The fact
Speaker 3: that you're a killer. I'm more personally, I'm more freaked
Speaker 3: out about the fast zombies because when I put myself
Speaker 3: in that situation like Brough, I don't have a fucking
Speaker 3: cardio for that, And then I'm like, that's a fucking rap.
Speaker 3: I can trick myself into thinking like I could maybe
Speaker 3: outwit the slow moving like yell of horse.
Speaker 1: But it is definitely like you're more logical to me
Speaker 1: first some reason, just like from the start, I've been
Speaker 1: more scared of slow people than like just and maybe
Speaker 1: it's because I started watching horror movies too early too,
Speaker 1: and that's why. But that's my loose theory is it's
Speaker 1: because we are scariest when we're slowly, relentlessly pursuing something
Speaker 1: and and we know that at some level.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think there's also something something like metaphorical
Speaker 3: too about like our our issues we have, like as humanity,
Speaker 3: where we have these slow moving problems that eventually might.
Speaker 1: Kill you might get it. It's like, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: Like the other ones, the fast moving ones, we'll deal
Speaker 3: with those real quick, right whatever, And they're typically the
Speaker 3: scariest ones.
Speaker 1: So no, I see there's there's a there's a logic
Speaker 1: to this that. Yeah, Jason could also be a metaphor
Speaker 1: for climate change. I see that as well. Everything is
Speaker 1: these days anyway. My overrated is masculinity.
Speaker 3: I was is that a karaoke bar, ok okay, And
Speaker 3: I was going to the bathroom in a urinal. Another
Speaker 3: guy comes in, goes two urinals down, from me leaves
Speaker 3: the middle one open. I get that if you're you know,
Speaker 3: there's one person there and maybe you don't want to
Speaker 3: caose up to someone. But then like a couple of
Speaker 3: younger dudes came in and there's an open urinal, like, oh,
Speaker 3: dudeis piss so bad, and like the other dude joking
Speaker 3: is like dude, hey, go ahead right there the middle
Speaker 3: one between these two dudes and the other guy was like, nah, dude,
Speaker 3: you know the rules and they were like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was so weird. I thought they were joking.
Speaker 3: But then like I had finished pretty like by the
Speaker 3: time they had said that, Like I was just finishing,
Speaker 3: and then the other like the other guy next to
Speaker 3: me had finished, and then they.
Speaker 1: Just avoided the middle urinal and just started peeing, And
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is this shit?
Speaker 3: Like it was like a weird internet meme come to life.
Speaker 3: These guys are like maybe twenty two, like early early twenties,
Speaker 3: early twenties, and it was like half joking, but in
Speaker 3: a way where I'm like, bro, if you have to
Speaker 3: piss that bad, what is the point of like evoking
Speaker 3: some weird like Reddit image you saw where it's like
Speaker 3: what's the perfect urinal or like, oh, you will become
Speaker 3: betified if you go to pee. It was just a
Speaker 3: very odd moment, Like I keep having these like moments
Speaker 3: in public bathrooms where I'm seeing where society's going, Like
Speaker 3: the same way when I was at that soccer game
Speaker 3: and the dude was like hey English or Spanish and
Speaker 3: was doing that whole like joke meme. I explained it
Speaker 3: where they say, like they say the first person to
Speaker 3: speak is gay, and so like they would do these
Speaker 3: videos where people in the she would just be like
Speaker 3: silent because like I'm not I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: the one who loses this.
Speaker 1: And I was like, in real life.
Speaker 3: Really we're doing this, yeah, the fucking urinal thing because
Speaker 3: someone is in the stall, probably doing drugs or some
Speaker 3: shit because that shit was not open. And then but
Speaker 3: it was just weird to then see this, Like I
Speaker 3: knew it wasn't totally serious, but it was serious enough
Speaker 3: that their first instinct wasn't to immediately relieve themselves in
Speaker 3: an open.
Speaker 1: Urinal right, No, man, Yeah, the rules you know that
Speaker 1: I've seen in a meme like.
Speaker 3: That you dog, that's you, that's you, bro. And then
Speaker 3: like me and this other guy. I think we're probably
Speaker 3: closer in age, like left, and I'm just like washing
Speaker 3: my hands and like, oh, and then they go to
Speaker 3: pen like jipiss so bad, and I'm like, okay, sure,
Speaker 3: masculinity maintained.
Speaker 1: Maintain.
Speaker 3: Now go back out there and sing whatever you're gonna
Speaker 3: sing or don't sing, because I wonder if you're one
Speaker 3: of those guys.
Speaker 1: Like us for females bro to belt out a tune. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you see if those guys ever went up and
Speaker 1: say I like that?
Speaker 3: I completely was just like, God, like, just throw that
Speaker 3: on the pile of weird things I see every day.
Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, just go to the bathroom. It's just
Speaker 3: also weirder to hear people debate about which urinal to
Speaker 3: use in a bad It just all very strange. And
Speaker 3: it's all we all pee, man, we all got to pee,
Speaker 3: and that doesn't change. You are fundamentally based on where
Speaker 3: you go and if you happen to be next to
Speaker 3: another person with the penis while that's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right, you're good. Sorry. That's why when
Speaker 1: I go, when I go to the bathroom with a friend,
Speaker 1: we hold hands next to each other. Well, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just to let people know, just high five constantly. Who
Speaker 1: sounds strong? Yo? Give me twenty four? Yeah, all right?
Speaker 1: My underrated is just kind of old shit in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: I was seeing a lot of like old shit, old
Speaker 1: ship being in the Zechust. Obviously on this podcast we
Speaker 1: track like new war stuff, news stories, things that are
Speaker 1: happening right now in the zeitgeist. I wish there was
Speaker 1: a more consistent, easy way to track like what was
Speaker 1: coming through the zeitgeist that was old and like inexplicable.
Speaker 1: Like I was just randomly over the weekend seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of like Beatles jokes and Beatles like observations on
Speaker 1: Twitter for some reason, like yeah, the Beatles like that
Speaker 1: that band. Like there was like but White Album jokes,
Speaker 1: jokes about Paul McCartney White album joke, Like what do
Speaker 1: you mean? They were talking about like Rocky Raccoon, like
Speaker 1: that song, OK. And then they like somebody else like
Speaker 1: posted a clip from the White Album and was like
Speaker 1: this song, like is it's so weird that the song
Speaker 1: like goes so hard and the Beatles are so square?
Speaker 1: And then there was like a joke about like Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney versus John Lennon's like songwriting style, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like when we think about does zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: we think like about what is happening in the news,
Speaker 1: and then it seems like sometimes everyone's just randomly talking
Speaker 1: about the same thing for no reason, right, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's just like a song gets randomly stuck in
Speaker 1: everyone's head at the same time. And I just like
Speaker 1: wish there was some good way to track that, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm sure a smarter person could
Speaker 1: use that to predict like the upcoming election, but like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't have a theory. I don't know
Speaker 1: why randomly everyone was thinking about that album this weekend
Speaker 1: for a reason. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's like one of those things where it's
Speaker 3: like if enough people have enough foundational knowledge on it,
Speaker 3: and it sort of there's an upward trend. Well because
Speaker 3: you know, Twitter works like once shit starts popping, then
Speaker 3: everyone kind of gets their take off to sort of
Speaker 3: you know, get in on like the fun of whatever
Speaker 3: the trope dejore meme da jour is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I uh, I wish I knew enough about the beatles
Speaker 1: to to have made sense of that. I was just like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are the why are we talking about this? Bye?
Speaker 1: Why is this motherfucker talking about I just got talking
Speaker 1: about this, dude. I got so bad for tweeted Lennon's
Speaker 1: song show Me the Source of the Leak that Drips
Speaker 1: and turns Honest men. Week McCartney song Terry the Plumber
Speaker 1: is an honest man. He'll fix your pipe as fast
Speaker 1: as he can. Temp change. It's pipe time, key signature change,
Speaker 1: typo change, tempo change. He loves pipes. He loves pipes.
Speaker 1: It was just a weird, random observation about how silly
Speaker 1: Palmer Pattany's asses when he's writing a song. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hey man, all right, myles, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is under underrated?
Speaker 3: Which comic book character appeals to you and what it
Speaker 3: might say about you?
Speaker 1: So you take a quiz this weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, took a lot of quizzes because they all kept
Speaker 3: coming up with not characters.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 3: All kept saying I was Jubilee and I'm not Jewbilee.
Speaker 1: I'm Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 3: So I've been watching WandaVision and it's pretty good. I've
Speaker 3: been saying that, though, I think about the last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks and I like that again, I appreciate that
Speaker 3: I don't need to have seen every single MCU thing
Speaker 3: or know every single MCU thing to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: That's like one of my favorite things about it. But
Speaker 1: it's also it's a fun watch.
Speaker 3: But I was also like when I watched him, like yeah,
Speaker 3: dude Vision, Hell yeah, dude, that guy's cool. He's super powerful,
Speaker 3: he like keeps it cool and he's not like tripping
Speaker 3: on some ego shit. And then I was like, thinking back,
Speaker 3: I was like, I also when I was first getting
Speaker 3: into The Watchman, I was like, hell yeah, dude, Doctor Manhattan,
Speaker 3: this dude focks. But then I was like I wasn't
Speaker 3: getting into therapy and sort of interrogating things about my
Speaker 3: own self. I was like, yeah, why do these robotic, emotionless,
Speaker 3: hyper powerful figures appeal to me? And again, when you
Speaker 3: do enough introspection, and it was just something because like
Speaker 3: this wasn't something I worked out from watching WandaVision, but
Speaker 3: I just remember like that sort of a human thing
Speaker 3: where it's like this guy is cool, and then I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, you know why this person's cool to
Speaker 3: you right, because I think the first thing, like, I've
Speaker 3: been pretty I'm always somewhat at odds with the fact
Speaker 3: that I'm pretty introverted, like I can be, I'm like
Speaker 3: an extroverted introvert because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: for me to recharge, I cannot have people around me
Speaker 3: like I have to be I have to I have
Speaker 3: to fuck off to mars like Doctor Manhattan does, and
Speaker 3: people like where'd he go? I'm like, I'm sorry, Like
Speaker 3: I just can't be around anyone. I need to just
Speaker 3: sort of I need to center myself in solitude at times.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing was the robot robotic part
Speaker 3: of these characters. These characters seldom voice their own emotional needs,
Speaker 3: and this was something that I struggled with for many
Speaker 3: years because I, you know, culturally and you know, being
Speaker 3: like a man, and also coming from cultures where being
Speaker 3: vulnerable is not a huge thing. Talking about your emotional
Speaker 3: state isn't is It wasn't as normalized as it should be,
Speaker 3: and I had to do a lot of work to
Speaker 3: do that on my own. I was like, oh, right,
Speaker 3: that's something that I've that's always been sort of a
Speaker 3: cause of and solution to my problems, which is the
Speaker 3: lack of voicing my emotional needs. And so as I
Speaker 3: watched it all, it was just kind of funny to
Speaker 3: see that thinking re emerge as I see another comic
Speaker 3: book character and I'm like, this guy's built on AI
Speaker 3: but he has technopathy and all these other cool fucking
Speaker 3: powers or whatever, but he's not. He's not He's struggling.
Speaker 3: He has no the humanity is not really there.
Speaker 1: Did your therapist ask you, like, what fictional characters you
Speaker 1: identify with or that just like kind of came up again.
Speaker 3: No, I just I know something I realized because I
Speaker 3: remember when I first read Watchman. I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: this guy is fucking dope. He like, cause I'm like,
Speaker 3: in a way, I was like pumping myself.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sometimes, dude, people are just.
Speaker 3: Tripping about shit, and I'm like, these are like human problems, man,
Speaker 3: like you got to see the bigger picture, like.
Speaker 1: Not everything's worth tripping over.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, no, I'm not addressing anything,
Speaker 3: Like I'm just acting like things don't affect me because
Speaker 3: it's easier to do that than to like really sit
Speaker 3: down and try and work something out. So it didn't
Speaker 3: come up that way, although maybe when Watchman Guy kept
Speaker 3: bringing up Watchmen in therapy and she's like, wow, you
Speaker 3: really talk a lot about her Manhattan address, Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, it's pretty cool though, because like
Speaker 3: he could, like he could do anything he wants, yet
Speaker 3: he's not not fully evil, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty cool, and like, also, you know,
Speaker 3: he's like Visus just omnipotent, omniscient and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to take the fact that both
Speaker 1: the you're overrated and underrated could be read as you
Speaker 1: wanting to show people your penis as anything other than question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were bald guys with their dicks out, they're dark
Speaker 1: part of my person. You had been at that uh
Speaker 1: you had been at that year for forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: pants all the way down around your ankles.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fun out, but fully out. What's that thing
Speaker 3: on his butt? It's a hydrogen atom. I got it
Speaker 3: tatted on my yeeks.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I do feel like, yeah that I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like that should be a therapist question.
Speaker 1: It's like, and who are the fictional characters that you Yeah,
Speaker 1: most identified with growing up, and you would just like
Speaker 1: learn a lot.
Speaker 3: The modern person, who I think has learned to sort
Speaker 3: of process a lot of things through comic book characters.
Speaker 1: It probably is telling Like I like.
Speaker 3: I thought Wolverine was cool, but I was like, no, bro,
Speaker 3: this dud's out of control, Like any's kind of gross,
Speaker 3: Like that's not really me. And then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: the flying sort of like ascetic religious person who's like
Speaker 3: simplified and wise, Like I was like that was trying
Speaker 3: to hold that up as like a thing.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3: Let us know on your who's your favorite character of
Speaker 3: comic book character and what does that say about what.
Speaker 1: And what to do your problem? Yeah? Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: feel like if future historians are not too bored by
Speaker 1: the American Empire, they'll probably look at superhero characters the
Speaker 1: way that we like have looked back at like ancient
Speaker 1: Greek myths and be like, ah, yeah, they were real
Speaker 1: fucked up. Huh right right right, yeah, anyways, uh cool,
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: talk about some of the news that happened over the weekend.
Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back, and Donald Trump returned to Butler,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania for the first time since the assassination attempt, and
Speaker 1: the resulting rally was about as insufferable as you'd probably imagine.
Speaker 1: He began a speech with as I was saying, and
Speaker 1: everyone was like, he's got a new bit. He starts
Speaker 1: off the rally with as I.
Speaker 3: Was saying, as I was saying, the late great Hannibal
Speaker 3: lecteror what call fuck?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, yeah, you brought out The Sunday Times
Speaker 1: kind of did a finally of what his speech was, like, yes,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty like I think this is the first
Speaker 1: sort of honest summary of a Trump speech.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of yeah, a lot of news
Speaker 3: outlets that aren't the New York Times and tend to
Speaker 3: report a little bit more on the progressive end of
Speaker 3: things or just more objectively have been like when is
Speaker 3: when are they going to actually be like this guy
Speaker 3: is this guy is suffering from a decline, and you
Speaker 3: guys are just just going just you know, glazing, glossing
Speaker 3: right past it. Not glazing necessarily, But the Sunday Times
Speaker 3: they said, this is what it said.
Speaker 1: Quote. He rambles, He repeats himself. He roams from thought
Speaker 1: to thought.
Speaker 3: Some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished,
Speaker 3: some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that
Speaker 3: seemed to be made up out of whole cloth. He
Speaker 3: digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his
Speaker 3: own beautiful body. He relishes a great day in Louisiana
Speaker 3: after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that
Speaker 3: North Korea is quote trying to kill me, when he
Speaker 3: presumably means Iran. As late as last month, mister Trump
Speaker 3: was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden,
Speaker 3: five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then they go on to say that the overall
Speaker 3: the piece is just saying, like the rhetoric is just
Speaker 3: so different than the first run at president he had.
Speaker 3: It's more long winded, more disconnected, more rambling course or
Speaker 3: far more prone to swearing. So it's just like a
Speaker 3: it was like the you know, one of those first
Speaker 3: times that they're really articulating this idea that like not
Speaker 3: everything as well in this guy's head, he's saying things
Speaker 3: that don't make sense, and he's running for president and
Speaker 3: could potentially win, and we are one of the most
Speaker 3: consequential news outlets in the country, so maybe maybe they're
Speaker 3: maybe that's the October surprise. We noticed Donald Trump's mental decline,
Speaker 3: and it's like, that's not a surprise.
Speaker 1: Second, none of this shit is making any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was the content of you know what he presented.
Speaker 1: There were reports that the rally would be structured to
Speaker 1: honor Corey Comparatore, who was the guy who died at
Speaker 1: the last rally, rather than focus on Trump. Undercutting that
Speaker 1: theme slightly, Trump did a flyover of the rally and
Speaker 1: Trump Force one while the theme music from Top Gun
Speaker 1: was blasted.
Speaker 3: I heard about this and it's like, not even exciting
Speaker 3: because it's not like a jet.
Speaker 1: It's like anyone who lives.
Speaker 3: Near an air like near an airport, ath to an airport,
Speaker 3: You're like, oh yeah, there's a thing even like buzzing
Speaker 3: the ground.
Speaker 1: Obviously who knows, but wow, okay, Trump Force one. The
Speaker 1: event did feature some mentions of Comparatoor, like one guy
Speaker 1: live finger painted an American flag behind his image for
Speaker 1: some reason on stage, which like I've seen that like
Speaker 1: live painting thing be done, but it's usually like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're painting a portrait or something like that, and it's
Speaker 1: done quickly. But this was it looks like a finger painting.
Speaker 1: The guy did well. It was in the background.
Speaker 3: It was also like the kind of thing where it
Speaker 3: looks like the guy had pre painted a portrait of Comparator.
Speaker 1: It's a photograph of Comparator or a pre drawn thing.
Speaker 1: And then he painted the background the American flag in
Speaker 1: the background, and then revealed the that it was yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, this is cool. Sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, because the other thing that happened in the
Speaker 3: late last week was there was there was like leaked
Speaker 3: audio of how Trump kept making jokes about Comparator's widow. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: He's like, I had the check for her, you know,
Speaker 3: millions of dollars to just to to help her, and
Speaker 3: you know, she said, this is all fantastic, but I
Speaker 3: would just love Corey back. And I don't know many
Speaker 3: people who would have said that with a check for
Speaker 3: that much in front of him. You know a lot
Speaker 3: of people probably wouldn't. And he kept like he did
Speaker 3: a version of that. I think at the RNC, like
Speaker 3: lightly did it.
Speaker 1: And people are like, what the fuck, dude, So yeah,
Speaker 1: great way to honor him. Yeah, but then he was
Speaker 1: also doing it at like fundraising dinners with like a
Speaker 1: bunch of millionaires and billionaires, and compared Tour was, you know,
Speaker 1: a blue collar, working class guy and also just kind
Speaker 1: of undercutting the solemnity with which they were treating him. Jd.
Speaker 1: Vance opened his speech by saying, I believe it is
Speaker 1: as sure as I'm standing here today that what happened
Speaker 1: was a true miracle, which is kind of which part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the right guy got let's just say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a miracle. Look, don't they believe in miracles? Right?
Speaker 1: And I hope you do.
Speaker 3: You always have a friend wearing lifted shoes.
Speaker 1: Hey, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Then there was like a moment of silence that was
Speaker 3: so it's like disrespectful even to the concept of a moment.
Speaker 1: Of silence, truly a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a moment, not even a moment, dude, a
Speaker 3: fucking moment of silence. Here's where Trump is asked the people, Hey,
Speaker 3: you know, it's to commemorate at six ' eleven when
Speaker 3: the shooting occurred. You know, that's they wanted to mark
Speaker 3: that moment with this moment of silence that was truly
Speaker 3: a moment.
Speaker 4: At this time, it is six eleven, twelve weeks to
Speaker 4: the minute that the shooting began. I would like to
Speaker 4: ask everyone to join me in a moment of silence.
Speaker 1: Don't And then they started playing Ave Marie. Yeah, Church,
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you need church bells? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I feel like it's silent, isn't it. I forgive me
Speaker 3: if I'm misinterpreting this. It's a moment of silence.
Speaker 1: If it was possible for him to cover the silence
Speaker 1: in gold le May paint, he would have done it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just he's got it. You can buy
Speaker 1: it on a hat on a hat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy this Trump Golden Moment of Silence
Speaker 3: for forty nine thousand dollars. It has one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty diamonds in it vs one clarity.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, good for him, so yeah. And then, of course,
Speaker 1: the big thing that got people's meme engines revving was
Speaker 1: Elon Musk showed up in an Occupy Mars T shirt,
Speaker 1: wearing a custom made dark Maga baseball cap and started
Speaker 1: jumping around like an excited toddler in the candy isle
Speaker 1: of Costco. He really does that shit, like I've seen
Speaker 1: him do it so frequently, so like, yeah, coming out
Speaker 1: at like his little you know, corporate pep rally things
Speaker 1: where he comes out and everybody's excited to see him,
Speaker 1: and you know he's within the comfy confines of his cult.
Speaker 1: But this, yeah, he's still just out here jumping with
Speaker 1: his hands in the air, looking looking pretty strange.
Speaker 3: He really and he had like his dark maga hat on.
Speaker 3: He's like, come on Eline He then Trump was kind
Speaker 3: of like mumble mumbling through his name.
Speaker 1: It's the jumping that really is. He's bunny hopping.
Speaker 3: Take over Elanya.
Speaker 1: Trump everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way he jumps, it looks like when my
Speaker 3: kid watches Miss Rachel videos.
Speaker 1: You know they're like.
Speaker 3: Hop little bunny hop hop pop, and he's like, who.
Speaker 1: Is full of hunting? There's truly no one can jump
Speaker 1: with that kind of joy. I think. Then that's kind
Speaker 1: of what's pissing me off.
Speaker 3: This guy genuinely looks like he's like yay, But people
Speaker 3: were zooming in on his eyes. If you look at
Speaker 3: the picture that we have in the dock, if you
Speaker 3: look at his eyes, there's a pain behind them.
Speaker 1: He knows he's about to land, and this is he
Speaker 1: jumps like once a week and yeah, shit is not
Speaker 1: probably not easy on that body.
Speaker 3: Just if you look at this just his face, it's
Speaker 3: a very strange like expression for someone. I get that
Speaker 3: it's a photo, but just like mid jump, there's something
Speaker 3: it's like a doll's eyes.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm saying, is like a doll's life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know he was there.
Speaker 3: He got to do his shit too and be like
Speaker 3: this is the most important election for me financially. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then made it I guess kind of about the
Speaker 3: people that were at the rally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it will be the last election ever
Speaker 1: if Democrats win, which is obviously a wild thing to
Speaker 1: say while supporting the guy who actively tried to overthrow
Speaker 1: the last election. I will say though, for all the
Speaker 1: quote unquote celebrities that come out to be to get
Speaker 1: their like Maga on on a stage, he probably got
Speaker 1: the best cheer when he first came out. Yeah, people were.
Speaker 3: Like, WHOA, it's someone I recognize who's relevant right now
Speaker 3: rather than someone who is a celebrity forty five years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they were like el loon. But yeah, he
Speaker 5: got he got his, He got his. He got to
Speaker 5: jump up and down and say a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 5: So we'll see if that helps. We'll see if that
Speaker 5: helps expand the map.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake the Snake, everybody, that was the other option.
Speaker 1: Jake the Snake. Roberts from WWF remember him, got him?
Speaker 1: And oh shit, Elon actually made it this time. So
Speaker 1: we've got We've got Elon Jake the Snake. If you
Speaker 1: remember Yoko Zuna, he'll be out here later. It's all
Speaker 1: going to be a fantastic moment. Fantastic moment, all right, Uh,
Speaker 1: anti war protests over the weekend dominated Zuna died. Oh
Speaker 1: I didn't really see Jake the Snake was still alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even I was like Yoko's I feel like Yoko
Speaker 3: Zuna died when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that happened, okay, okay. Yeah. The White House
Speaker 1: marked the one year anniversary of October seventh by you know,
Speaker 1: croaking out the same bullshit about Israel's right to defend itself,
Speaker 1: with kind of only a cursory mention of Palestinians, no
Speaker 1: mention of the fact that much of the world spent
Speaker 1: the weekend protesting the ongoing genocide and yeah, countries, it
Speaker 1: was everywhere across the world just saw massive anti war
Speaker 1: protests over the weekend, including London. I think there are
Speaker 1: tens of thousands who turned out to Mark for Peace
Speaker 1: in London, which, as it was reported in The Guardian,
Speaker 1: what a headache for the police. But yeah, yes, what
Speaker 1: a headache for the police.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean this was it wasn't it was
Speaker 3: every pretty much most nations had some form of protest happening.
Speaker 3: And DC it looked like a guy attempted to self
Speaker 3: immolate and you know, was his arm like his arm
Speaker 3: caught fire and then he was pretty quickly extinguished. And
Speaker 3: colleges are also you know, colleges are back in session
Speaker 3: and they're doing things like canceling interfaith prayer vigils. If
Speaker 3: you know, guest lecturers have had anything, you know, negative
Speaker 3: to say about Israeli policy. But then like Yale has
Speaker 3: Ben ship hero On for how quote how October seventh
Speaker 3: broke America's college campuses very much needed, much needed discors
Speaker 3: back now at this time. But I mean, like, wow,
Speaker 3: you know, reflecting on a year of this, I'm just
Speaker 3: struck how used to death we have become, you know,
Speaker 3: more than anything, because we Americans already had this unique
Speaker 3: sort of callous built up on our souls, where you know,
Speaker 3: we can.
Speaker 1: School shooting after school shooting. It's just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess that is what it is.
Speaker 3: But I mean, like now, when you look at the
Speaker 3: scale of what's happening to Palestinian people, and you know,
Speaker 3: with the kind of clarity that we have in terms
Speaker 3: of the morality of it all, it's really it's bone chilling.
Speaker 3: And Western media, colonial media, has created an environment where
Speaker 3: sympathy can only move in one direction. Anything else will
Speaker 3: be seen as an act of violence. Last week, right,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were talking about when
Speaker 3: Tannahisi Coats was getting grilled on the CBS Morning Show
Speaker 3: because he showed that there's a line you cannot cross
Speaker 3: in sort of the mainstream accepted discourse because in his book,
Speaker 3: he was treated like a criminal basically during this quote
Speaker 3: unquote interview for merely saying that, you know, in my book,
Speaker 3: I talk about how I went to go see what
Speaker 3: the situation is with Palestinians and how the Israelis are governing,
Speaker 3: and what I saw with my eyes was a modern
Speaker 3: apartheid state where ethnicity was the basis for whether or
Speaker 3: not you were granted basic rights, and for that it
Speaker 3: became very clear to me that what was happening was
Speaker 3: not complex in the basic terms of who is granted
Speaker 3: humanity and who is not, who has rights and who
Speaker 3: is not, And so that reaction, I think just reminded.
Speaker 3: I think reminds me, and I think most people see
Speaker 3: that to be able to acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian
Speaker 3: people is just still a bridge too far in most places.
Speaker 3: I was watching like MSNBC this morning because I was
Speaker 3: very curious what the MSNBC version is of October seventh things,
Speaker 3: and you were just sort of treated to solemn interview
Speaker 3: after solemn interview, whether it was parents of someone who
Speaker 3: has taken hostage or rabbis talking about like, what you know,
Speaker 3: the pain in their communities, which I think.
Speaker 1: Is all valid.
Speaker 3: I understand that really, but what it happened was it
Speaker 3: was the complete erasure of Palestinian people and their experience
Speaker 3: throughout all of this, and we've like, we just have this.
Speaker 3: This a great American habit to look at a situation
Speaker 3: and be like, we know these people are dying, but
Speaker 3: we aren't going to talk about it because we have
Speaker 3: to manufacture as much consent for what we want to
Speaker 3: do in terms of what our policy is and what
Speaker 3: the military industrial complex wants. So complete, I mean, like
Speaker 3: I'm sure net and Yahuo has probably brought a tear
Speaker 3: to his eye to see that it was merely there's
Speaker 3: like a near total erasure of what Palestindian people are
Speaker 3: going through in terms of.
Speaker 1: Like what the one year coverage is.
Speaker 3: And we have an administration too that is like constantly
Speaker 3: making the worst decisions in regards to this genocidal campaign,
Speaker 3: and it's become absurd to the point that like not
Speaker 3: even having a near supermajority of Democrat voters saying when
Speaker 3: you pull them, what would you like see done? Stop
Speaker 3: arming Israel comes up as one of the top things
Speaker 3: that that's not even enough to move the needle in
Speaker 3: any meaningful way. So like with this system too, and
Speaker 3: I think as a lot of the times I've seen
Speaker 3: a lot of write ups too from foreign policy people
Speaker 3: will be like, you know, what the Harrison administration could
Speaker 3: do to differentiate or what needs to do is we
Speaker 3: have to have some kind of accountability for the fact
Speaker 3: that we absolutely have failed the palest Indian people. Is
Speaker 3: that you realize we have this we have a right
Speaker 3: to vote, but I'm not sure you have a right
Speaker 3: to representation, which I think there's a real big difference there,
Speaker 3: because we talk about our ability to vote, but how
Speaker 3: many like when we look at what is happening, what
Speaker 3: is our ability to have our values represented? And that's
Speaker 3: I think a place where we just fall terribly, terribly short.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was kind of struck by a Harris campaigning
Speaker 1: with the Cheneye at the end of last week as
Speaker 1: Israel's all out assault on Gaza and Lebanon continues, and
Speaker 1: just I was reading something about the exploding pager attacks
Speaker 1: in the way that they justified it by being like,
Speaker 1: you know, or at least implicitly. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they've even admitted it was them, but they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were the bad guys and so basically they
Speaker 1: can do anything. And just how reminiscent it is of
Speaker 1: the war on Terror that America waged, you know, like
Speaker 1: yet young children were blown up and killed by those
Speaker 1: pager explosions. But it just it really feels like we're
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of that original war against everyone who
Speaker 1: looked guilty to America and at a time when America
Speaker 1: was like really not trying to be discerning now, you know, truly.
Speaker 3: We're like Iraq, Yeah, let's go there for nine to eleven. Right, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: that works.
Speaker 1: But it just feels like once you do some evil
Speaker 1: shit like that, you don't just get to turn the
Speaker 1: hose off when your bloodlust is quenched. You know, you've
Speaker 1: created a precedent, which net Yahoo has like used has
Speaker 1: been like what about you guys. You guys did this
Speaker 1: shit too, right, which, yeah, like you're saying, is why
Speaker 1: it's so extra urgent for someone to do something to
Speaker 1: stop it and why it's extra frustrating to see the
Speaker 1: Democrats who were refusing to do that instead campaigning with like, yeah, war.
Speaker 3: Criminals, yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Dick Cheney, we love them,
Speaker 3: don't we, folks.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Nan Yahoo was was a huge supporter of the Iraq war.
Speaker 3: He said that nine eleven was When asked what he
Speaker 3: thought of, like what nine to eleven would do for
Speaker 3: in terms of like US Israeli relations, he said, oh,
Speaker 3: it's very good, right, and he's like in that there
Speaker 3: was a lot of like then he clarified sympathy obviously
Speaker 3: for like what has just happened because you're saying in
Speaker 3: the like the horror of a terrorist attack would create
Speaker 3: a lot of flexibility in terms of you know, it's
Speaker 3: implied a lot of flexibility in terms of the violence
Speaker 3: that could be inflicted when retaliating. And now it's like
Speaker 3: the thing that is really to that point right about
Speaker 3: you saying that this is a continuation of the war
Speaker 3: on terror. Just look how much the rhetoric has changed
Speaker 3: from October seventh, eighth of last year, when it was
Speaker 3: Hamas must be eliminated, and now we have the White
Speaker 3: House saying Hamas the hoo thies, Hezbollah, Iran. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just expanding now because again, like just like in terms
Speaker 3: of how Netanyahu was looking at nine to eleven, it's
Speaker 3: like when you have something where there's a loss of
Speaker 3: life to civilian and you kind of get carte blanche
Speaker 3: to do some shit in the name of retaliation. It
Speaker 3: doesn't even have to be logical, but you can use that.
Speaker 3: And but I but at this point, I feel like
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, the sympathy has been exhausted
Speaker 3: to the point where now we're looking at you know,
Speaker 3: obviously there's like the figures that the news will say
Speaker 3: that like it's close to forty two thousand people that
Speaker 3: have been killed in Gaza, when realistically that number is
Speaker 3: probably in the six figures when all said and done,
Speaker 3: because that's just stuff like where you could you could
Speaker 3: find someone that Yeah, now we're talking about an expansion
Speaker 3: of hostilities, and you know the America is doing the thing. Dude, like, well,
Speaker 3: obviously we're not. We're not, we're not, we don't. We
Speaker 3: don't think all of that's good now, But who's to
Speaker 3: say at the end of the day, Like you said,
Speaker 3: there's this country definitely once once they get a taste
Speaker 3: of it, it's very hard to stop it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm that's like that was like what it was really
Speaker 3: alarming about that statement from the White House was like
Speaker 3: the number of groups that had been named, like identified
Speaker 3: by name in connection to October seventh as a way
Speaker 3: to manufacture consent to like increased hostilities was very.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just amazing that they didn't end with et cetera.
Speaker 1: And so right at the end of that list.
Speaker 3: Right with like an asterisk where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: this lineup may change at any moment, like a fucking
Speaker 3: festival concert, like festival lineup for Coachella.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get that this is the anniversary of
Speaker 1: the loss of you know, thousands of innocent Israeli lives,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like you said this, you know,
Speaker 1: those lives need to be mourned. I just you know,
Speaker 1: there are so many innocent lives being lost elsewhere that
Speaker 1: are just not being acknowledged really anywhere in the Western media.
Speaker 3: And this is what this is what Tanehase Coats was
Speaker 3: pressed on, yeah, saying, well, you know, did do these.
Speaker 1: People not lose their lives?
Speaker 3: He said, He's like, I'm not negating that at all,
Speaker 3: but yeah, those those voices in the those perspectives have
Speaker 3: been well represented. They are available to people very easily.
Speaker 3: These other ones are not. And I think it's it's
Speaker 3: it's less about necessarily the specifics of October seventh and
Speaker 3: more like I'm like, when we take a macro view
Speaker 3: of how this country operates any way foreign policy or
Speaker 3: even domestically, the same way that people have to vilify
Speaker 3: people of color who are killed by the police, there's
Speaker 3: a way where it's like the sympathy flows in one direction,
Speaker 3: and if someone loses their life and it's at the
Speaker 3: hands of the state or the state is involved, then
Speaker 3: you have to find a way to distance yourself or
Speaker 3: get people to distance themselves from the victim's humanity as well.
Speaker 3: And that's I think as we see our problems become,
Speaker 3: you know, more intense, that's like a huge, huge flaw
Speaker 3: that leadership wise, that has to be addressed because I
Speaker 3: don't I still do believe in the good in people
Speaker 3: to take care of each other, although it comes out
Speaker 3: at the worst of times when we have to band
Speaker 3: together to do that. But it's also something that we
Speaker 3: can consider when we're looking at just generally of how
Speaker 3: we're moving and what we want out of how we're
Speaker 3: interacting with the world, and what we want for our
Speaker 3: own futures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk about the Joker too. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back.
Speaker 3: And one story, as I was saying, as we were saying,
Speaker 3: as I was saying, so, Variety over the weekend published
Speaker 3: an article about the problem of toxic fandom and how
Speaker 3: the studios behind big franchises have been responding to it.
Speaker 1: And it feels like they're just like feeding it in
Speaker 1: some ways, like they do have measures in place to
Speaker 1: like protect talent. If a you know, actor is portraying
Speaker 1: a character who is challenging a franchise's status quo, studios
Speaker 1: now will like take over their social media accounts entirely
Speaker 1: like with their permission. And if the actor is threatened,
Speaker 1: which they so commonly are, security firms will be hired
Speaker 1: in order to like scrub their info so they're not
Speaker 1: docs and like protect them in some ways. But then
Speaker 1: the other part of this strategy is to just like
Speaker 1: try to not piss off the people. It feels like
Speaker 1: like the toxic fandoms, So they've been organizing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like maga shit yeah, or like Republicans.
Speaker 1: They just they're like.
Speaker 2: Fuck dude, But what about the freaks that are gonna
Speaker 2: yell at me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm going to completely
Speaker 2: abandon every principle I had in the creative process because
Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking losers were getting up doing Twitter
Speaker 2: polls about like Star Wars is too black Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the New York Times response to the
Speaker 1: rise of Mega, you know, being like, how do we
Speaker 1: interview how do any of these people who will who
Speaker 1: will talk to us? So studios have been organizing focus
Speaker 1: groups featuring quote specialized cluster of super fans who can
Speaker 1: view marketing materials and even suggest changes if a project
Speaker 1: isn't finished yet, which like when you think about so
Speaker 1: the biggest fan complaints that we've gotten in recent years,
Speaker 1: like the ones that they think about include, you know,
Speaker 1: stop putting black people in Star Wars and women shouldn't
Speaker 1: be allowed to be ghostbusters, a functional job invented by
Speaker 1: Dan Aykroyd in the eighties, presumably on a lot of cocaine.
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine a worse idea for the creation
Speaker 1: of art, Like.
Speaker 3: It's not art, that's not art, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Art is an active self expression.
Speaker 1: You don't see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Picasso wouldn't go up, I mean not that
Speaker 3: he was. Like imagine right, like a rembrand, someone at
Speaker 3: the top of their game going on stage to paint
Speaker 3: live for people, and every stroke they look at that and.
Speaker 1: Go huh uh huh yeah okay, ye warm up, warm okay,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, draw a fucking circle. Well, but
Speaker 1: I I do realism, and I can make lifelike things
Speaker 1: that may give us a commentary or something, or maybe
Speaker 1: the contorted figures to present something else.
Speaker 3: Just draw the fucking circle, you fucking freak. That's my
Speaker 3: favorite shape. We lose something by not having not to say, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to be like, dude, these
Speaker 3: these are our highest forms of art. But in the
Speaker 3: sense that the act of creating something is inherently artistic,
Speaker 3: that you won't be able. People won't be able to
Speaker 3: interact with something that at least gets them to think,
Speaker 3: not even saying that like, oh, we cast this personal
Speaker 3: color to get you to think they did that because
Speaker 3: it's reflecting the world around you, right, that it's not,
Speaker 3: and that the industry is not inherently so like white dominated.
Speaker 3: I mean, it still is to have a varying degrees,
Speaker 3: but there are there are moments where we get something
Speaker 3: that resembles equity.
Speaker 1: So then it'd be like, I don't want that.
Speaker 3: You're just saying just overall, we're like, okay, well, we're
Speaker 3: seeding to the forces that don't want progress at all
Speaker 3: in any form.
Speaker 1: So let's listen to the people who have made past
Speaker 1: iterations of this work an unhealthily load bearing part of
Speaker 1: their personality and ask them what what should happen? Right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's uh It just seems like a
Speaker 1: bad idea will presumably just result in franchises producing less
Speaker 1: diverse media, of course, and we'll only make existing problems worse.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, they're gonna do the thing where
Speaker 3: they'll they're gonna they'll acquiesce to this nonsense. The product
Speaker 3: becomes stale, it doesn't fucking sell anymore, then they panic
Speaker 3: and don't know what to do, and then they got
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, maybe this will just hasten
Speaker 3: the evolution of things to come, and maybe you can
Speaker 3: like let go of fucking ip where people are like
Speaker 3: my grandfather's version of that character was a clan member.
Speaker 1: What have you done? Right? You know? Like what the
Speaker 1: fuck like this is?
Speaker 3: I don't know, So maybe maybe there is a positive
Speaker 3: part to it that like we can do away with
Speaker 3: some of these things that have become, like you said,
Speaker 3: so integral to people, like their personalities or their you know,
Speaker 3: media diets, that we can maybe create some space for
Speaker 3: something new, because like, yeah, I think I'm a big
Speaker 3: Star Wars fan and I don't need no more Star
Speaker 3: Wars right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're good here.
Speaker 3: I'm so open to seeing something new, like the new
Speaker 3: Star Wars, that shit would even fucking that would fuck
Speaker 3: me up even more whatever that is. But they could
Speaker 3: see Disney being like, it'll get ready for new Star
Speaker 3: Wars and be like, what.
Speaker 1: It's just new Coke basically, yeah, right right, yeah, the
Speaker 1: same Star Wars but with better CGI or you did that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just feels like when we like did the story
Speaker 1: about the article on like what's killing Hollywood, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of just like corporate ideas getting integrated into
Speaker 1: like the big studios. I feel like we just more
Speaker 1: and more need to assume that, like we're going to
Speaker 1: be seeing diminishing returns with these massive studios and like
Speaker 1: look elsewhere for our art because the one way that
Speaker 1: they can respond to like what you're talking about and
Speaker 1: like do a course correction is like by just like
Speaker 1: stealing something made by independent creators. Right, So that's I
Speaker 1: think what has to be our hope, because I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to be like, oh, well, this isn't working,
Speaker 1: so let's figure it out. It just seems like they're
Speaker 1: their decision is to when something isn't working as well,
Speaker 1: just like triple down and focus group test things within
Speaker 1: an inch of their lives.
Speaker 3: Just get just again, it's it's it's more corporate corporate
Speaker 3: ethos is killing your work.
Speaker 1: Go more, just like, yeah, to the metal on that ship.
Speaker 3: Don't embrace the thing that created your industry to begin with,
Speaker 3: which is like embracing new ideas, creativity and like doing
Speaker 3: other stuff. And again, I think that just speaks to
Speaker 3: because of like the corporate capture of the industry, that
Speaker 3: it's now just purely become a money making endeavor that
Speaker 3: has to be able to be done formulaically, that you
Speaker 3: get formulaic content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, speaking of formulaic content or not, dude, or
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe groundbreaking. The Joker sequel Joker fully a Ducts,
Speaker 1: I think is how it's pronounced fully Dukes French Dukes
Speaker 1: Dukes was number one of the box office, but it
Speaker 1: made forty million dollars. They were expecting seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: and the first movie made over a billion dollars total
Speaker 1: worldwide and cost fifty five million to make. This movie
Speaker 1: somehow cost one hundred and ninety million dollars to make
Speaker 1: and appears to be on track to not even make
Speaker 1: its budget back. It's around the same so it's opening
Speaker 1: weekend box office take was around the same as what
Speaker 1: Morbius made the Jared leto Spider Man universe, but without
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie Morbius. The fans hate it. I always
Speaker 1: keep saying.
Speaker 3: The fans are like, it's a fuck you to fans,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, why is it?
Speaker 1: Because they they weren't expecting a half baked musical, right, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is that what it was? Because I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: so Todd Phillips made it clear. It's like, Bro, what
Speaker 3: you're getting, dude, is some wild ass revolutionary musical shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've not seen this movie yet, so I don't
Speaker 1: I can't speak to what Todd Phillips has done here,
Speaker 1: but it I mean, it is kind of funny to
Speaker 1: have this story following the last one, because I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Hollywood reaction is like, we should a focused group
Speaker 1: tested that shit and just like taken the movie away
Speaker 1: from Todd Phillips and built out the Joker verse instead
Speaker 1: of just letting Todd Phillips do whatever he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: But according to audiences, this thing is a turkey. It
Speaker 1: is the first ever comic book movie to receive a
Speaker 1: D rating from Cinema Score, which is like the thing
Speaker 1: where they pull movie goers after seeing a movie and
Speaker 1: kind of get an aggregate of reactions, and it's usually
Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of like how a movie's going
Speaker 1: to do, like if it's going to hold well. So
Speaker 1: in addition to having a bad opening, it feels like
Speaker 1: this is going to hold particularly poorly. And I just
Speaker 1: guy won Oscar for the first one. You know, you.
Speaker 3: Contrast it with that that first one got Joaquin Phoenix
Speaker 3: an Oscar, and I guess comparatively a B plus on
Speaker 3: Cinema Score.
Speaker 1: So B plus to a D. That sounds like sounds
Speaker 1: like the summer I started smoking weed and I, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like we need to talk
Speaker 1: to your parents. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that it's the
Speaker 1: lowest score ever is like, just think about how many
Speaker 1: dog shit comic book movies there have been, right, Like
Speaker 1: the worst one prior to this was twenty fifteen's Fantastic
Speaker 1: Four movie, which got a C minus. This is a
Speaker 1: flat D. Damn, that's a D flat. That's a D flat, man.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, a lot of people are saying,
Speaker 1: like the takeaway is that it seemed to go out
Speaker 1: of its way to alienate the first movies fans replacing
Speaker 1: you know, the in cel coded Kirkland brands score vibes
Speaker 1: with musical numbers featuring Lady Gaga.
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody who saw the first one
Speaker 3: or just saw Joker Ado.
Speaker 1: And Joelle I'll call Joe.
Speaker 3: Joelle has her takes out there for anybody to see.
Speaker 3: She when I was we saw each other on Friday,
Speaker 3: we all got together and.
Speaker 1: Were we talking about.
Speaker 3: That with each I know you were around anyway, we
Speaker 3: look we all got together as a family.
Speaker 1: As we was around it. That was lingering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was like, oh, tell me about you
Speaker 3: know Joker too, And she was like, it's just so strange.
Speaker 1: She said, it was just.
Speaker 3: So weird because it felt like fundamentally Todd Phillips doesn't
Speaker 3: understand what a musical is. Like songs just came out
Speaker 3: like he was just breaking the song with the weirdest moments,
Speaker 3: not even in a way where like when you watch
Speaker 3: a musical you're like, I.
Speaker 1: Feel a song coming on type of thing.
Speaker 3: It's just like, and this part was song just apropos
Speaker 3: of nothing. So even I guess even if you went
Speaker 3: as a musical fan, just not even that part was
Speaker 3: delivering so it sounds like a few few mistakes all around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like maybe the problem is less like wow,
Speaker 1: they didn't pander to fans, and more that he made
Speaker 1: a musical and seemingly had didn't know what musicals were
Speaker 1: before he made the musical. Like we talked before about
Speaker 1: how his quotes was like, the movie's not really a musical.
Speaker 1: The characters just kind of start singing when they're like
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion, and like just basically described a musical.
Speaker 1: So it feels like maybe he had just like not
Speaker 1: seen one. Todd Phillips also an old school filmmaker in
Speaker 1: the sense that he steals from older filmmakers and to
Speaker 1: also treat sequels the way they were treated in the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, like back at a time when like
Speaker 1: a sequel was just like, look like, what do you want.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a complete cash grap It's
Speaker 1: a sequel. We're just going to do the same plot,
Speaker 1: but in this time, the airplane is going into the sun,
Speaker 1: you know, right right, we'll just call it another forty
Speaker 1: eight hours and it'll it'll be literally that. Because in
Speaker 1: the past, I mean the Hangover Part two, one of
Speaker 1: the worst sequels I've ever experienced. So maybe he's just
Speaker 1: he's not the guy to put in charge of the
Speaker 1: sequel to his massive you know, that was the last
Speaker 1: time like he captured the pulse of America with The
Speaker 1: Hangover and with The Joker, and then both times he
Speaker 1: used his grasp on our pulse to put everyone in
Speaker 1: a sleeper hole immediately after with the sequel, So.
Speaker 3: It's he went into it like really feel I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm reading this interview from I think right before, like
Speaker 3: as they were getting into production, and he was just like,
Speaker 3: why do something if it doesn't scare the shit out
Speaker 3: of you. I'm addicted to rich. Yeah, I made old school.
Speaker 1: I made old school, dude, I'm addicted to risk and
Speaker 1: road trip. You feel me.
Speaker 3: He's like, I mean it keeps you up at night,
Speaker 3: it makes your hair fall out, but it's a sweat
Speaker 3: that keeps you going, and like, yeah, broadly, that is
Speaker 3: what you'd want, Like you want, Yeah, I wish studios
Speaker 3: did things that scared the shit out of them. But
Speaker 3: then to read it all and have it come back
Speaker 3: to he's like, yeah, I don't know, And they say
Speaker 3: he's singing some.
Speaker 1: Songs I don't know. Is it bad? All right, well,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Maybe he was commenting on
Speaker 1: our ancient predatory ability to run animals. It is the
Speaker 1: sweat that keeps you going. Mm hmmm. Yeah. Anyways, I
Speaker 1: uh he started speaking with a French accent, like as
Speaker 1: he was making this movie. I feel like that would
Speaker 1: be uh, that would be in keeping with what I
Speaker 1: know of God Phillips.
Speaker 3: It's also so funny too, like he's for his like
Speaker 3: artsy sort of like and he's like, yeah, dude, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like a fucking risk taker, you know when
Speaker 3: I he's like you know that at the time. These
Speaker 3: are like the comedies that were were like yo, dude,
Speaker 3: these these things fucking are dope. He like, I guess
Speaker 3: he was always at the shot at the Chateau Marmont,
Speaker 3: like writing as if he was like Jim Morrison or
Speaker 3: something or blueshi kind of thing, and like that's where
Speaker 3: he was writing, like old school apparently, like that's hold
Speaker 3: up at the chateau, right, Okay, cool dude.
Speaker 1: Cool shatateau, which is basically like a Disney World feature
Speaker 1: of the Chateau Marmont at this point. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: exactly Yeah, visionary yeah, I guess you could say that.
Speaker 1: It's like nobody nobody said that word, where nobody said anything.
Speaker 1: You just came into the room and said visionary. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say that as.
Speaker 3: I was saying, this is an interview where I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask you a question. Oh my bad, my bad,
Speaker 3: my bad, Go ahead, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: this Monday, October seventh. We are back tomorrow with a
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