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Speaker 1: Statement like that, Hello the Internet, and welcome to this

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Speaker 1: That over there is Jack O'Brien, mister Miles grow and

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Speaker 3: right past it. Not glazing necessarily, But the Sunday Times

431
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Speaker 3: they said, this is what it said.

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Speaker 1: Quote. He rambles, He repeats himself. He roams from thought

433
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Speaker 1: to thought.

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Speaker 3: Some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished,

435
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that

436
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: seemed to be made up out of whole cloth. He

437
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 3: digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his

438
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: own beautiful body. He relishes a great day in Louisiana

439
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that

440
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 3: North Korea is quote trying to kill me, when he

441
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: presumably means Iran. As late as last month, mister Trump

442
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 3: was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden,

443
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Speaker 3: five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: So then they go on to say that the overall

446
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: the piece is just saying, like the rhetoric is just

447
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: so different than the first run at president he had.

448
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: It's more long winded, more disconnected, more rambling course or

449
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: far more prone to swearing. So it's just like a

450
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: it was like the you know, one of those first

451
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: times that they're really articulating this idea that like not

452
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: everything as well in this guy's head, he's saying things

453
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Speaker 3: that don't make sense, and he's running for president and

454
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Speaker 3: could potentially win, and we are one of the most

455
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: consequential news outlets in the country, so maybe maybe they're

456
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Speaker 3: maybe that's the October surprise. We noticed Donald Trump's mental decline,

457
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: and it's like, that's not a surprise.

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Speaker 1: Second, none of this shit is making any sense. Yeah,

459
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: so that was the content of you know what he presented.

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00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: There were reports that the rally would be structured to

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Speaker 1: honor Corey Comparatore, who was the guy who died at

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Speaker 1: the last rally, rather than focus on Trump. Undercutting that

463
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: theme slightly, Trump did a flyover of the rally and

464
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: Trump Force one while the theme music from Top Gun

465
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: was blasted.

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Speaker 3: I heard about this and it's like, not even exciting

467
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Speaker 3: because it's not like a jet.

468
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Speaker 1: It's like anyone who lives.

469
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: Near an air like near an airport, ath to an airport,

470
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Speaker 3: You're like, oh yeah, there's a thing even like buzzing

471
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Speaker 3: the ground.

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Speaker 1: Obviously who knows, but wow, okay, Trump Force one. The

473
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Speaker 1: event did feature some mentions of Comparatoor, like one guy

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Speaker 1: live finger painted an American flag behind his image for

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Speaker 1: some reason on stage, which like I've seen that like

476
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Speaker 1: live painting thing be done, but it's usually like, you know,

477
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: you're painting a portrait or something like that, and it's

478
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Speaker 1: done quickly. But this was it looks like a finger painting.

479
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Speaker 1: The guy did well. It was in the background.

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Speaker 3: It was also like the kind of thing where it

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Speaker 3: looks like the guy had pre painted a portrait of Comparator.

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Speaker 1: It's a photograph of Comparator or a pre drawn thing.

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Speaker 1: And then he painted the background the American flag in

484
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Speaker 1: the background, and then revealed the that it was yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, this is cool. Sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because the other thing that happened in the

487
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Speaker 3: late last week was there was there was like leaked

488
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Speaker 3: audio of how Trump kept making jokes about Comparator's widow. Yes, yeah, yeah,

489
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Speaker 3: He's like, I had the check for her, you know,

490
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Speaker 3: millions of dollars to just to to help her, and

491
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Speaker 3: you know, she said, this is all fantastic, but I

492
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Speaker 3: would just love Corey back. And I don't know many

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Speaker 3: people who would have said that with a check for

494
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Speaker 3: that much in front of him. You know a lot

495
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Speaker 3: of people probably wouldn't. And he kept like he did

496
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Speaker 3: a version of that. I think at the RNC, like

497
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: lightly did it.

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Speaker 1: And people are like, what the fuck, dude, So yeah,

499
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: great way to honor him. Yeah, but then he was

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Speaker 1: also doing it at like fundraising dinners with like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of millionaires and billionaires, and compared Tour was, you know,

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Speaker 1: a blue collar, working class guy and also just kind

503
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Speaker 1: of undercutting the solemnity with which they were treating him. Jd.

504
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: Vance opened his speech by saying, I believe it is

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Speaker 1: as sure as I'm standing here today that what happened

506
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: was a true miracle, which is kind of which part. Yeah,

507
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the right guy got let's just say,

508
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's a miracle. Look, don't they believe in miracles? Right?

509
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Speaker 1: And I hope you do.

510
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Speaker 3: You always have a friend wearing lifted shoes.

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Speaker 1: Hey, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then there was like a moment of silence that was

513
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Speaker 3: so it's like disrespectful even to the concept of a moment.

514
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Speaker 1: Of silence, truly a moment.

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00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a moment, not even a moment, dude, a

516
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: fucking moment of silence. Here's where Trump is asked the people, Hey,

517
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Speaker 3: you know, it's to commemorate at six ' eleven when

518
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: the shooting occurred. You know, that's they wanted to mark

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00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: that moment with this moment of silence that was truly

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Speaker 3: a moment.

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Speaker 4: At this time, it is six eleven, twelve weeks to

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Speaker 4: the minute that the shooting began. I would like to

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Speaker 4: ask everyone to join me in a moment of silence.

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Speaker 1: Don't And then they started playing Ave Marie. Yeah, Church,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do you need church bells? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's silent, isn't it. I forgive me

527
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: if I'm misinterpreting this. It's a moment of silence.

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Speaker 1: If it was possible for him to cover the silence

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Speaker 1: in gold le May paint, he would have done it.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's just he's got it. You can buy

531
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Speaker 1: it on a hat on a hat.

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00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can buy this Trump Golden Moment of Silence

533
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: for forty nine thousand dollars. It has one hundred and

534
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Speaker 3: twenty diamonds in it vs one clarity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, good for him, so yeah. And then, of course,

536
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: the big thing that got people's meme engines revving was

537
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Elon Musk showed up in an Occupy Mars T shirt,

538
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: wearing a custom made dark Maga baseball cap and started

539
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: jumping around like an excited toddler in the candy isle

540
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: of Costco. He really does that shit, like I've seen

541
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: him do it so frequently, so like, yeah, coming out

542
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: at like his little you know, corporate pep rally things

543
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: where he comes out and everybody's excited to see him,

544
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: and you know he's within the comfy confines of his cult.

545
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: But this, yeah, he's still just out here jumping with

546
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: his hands in the air, looking looking pretty strange.

547
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: He really and he had like his dark maga hat on.

548
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: He's like, come on Eline He then Trump was kind

549
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: of like mumble mumbling through his name.

550
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: It's the jumping that really is. He's bunny hopping.

551
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: Take over Elanya.

552
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Trump everyone.

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00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way he jumps, it looks like when my

554
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: kid watches Miss Rachel videos.

555
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: You know they're like.

556
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: Hop little bunny hop hop pop, and he's like, who.

557
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Is full of hunting? There's truly no one can jump

558
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: with that kind of joy. I think. Then that's kind

559
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: of what's pissing me off.

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00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: This guy genuinely looks like he's like yay, But people

561
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: were zooming in on his eyes. If you look at

562
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Speaker 3: the picture that we have in the dock, if you

563
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: look at his eyes, there's a pain behind them.

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Speaker 1: He knows he's about to land, and this is he

565
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: jumps like once a week and yeah, shit is not

566
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: probably not easy on that body.

567
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Just if you look at this just his face, it's

568
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: a very strange like expression for someone. I get that

569
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: it's a photo, but just like mid jump, there's something

570
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: it's like a doll's eyes.

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00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm saying, is like a doll's life. Yeah,

572
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: so you know he was there.

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: He got to do his shit too and be like

574
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: this is the most important election for me financially. Yeah,

575
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: but then made it I guess kind of about the

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Speaker 3: people that were at the rally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it will be the last election ever

578
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: if Democrats win, which is obviously a wild thing to

579
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: say while supporting the guy who actively tried to overthrow

580
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: the last election. I will say though, for all the

581
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: quote unquote celebrities that come out to be to get

582
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Speaker 1: their like Maga on on a stage, he probably got

583
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: the best cheer when he first came out. Yeah, people were.

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00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: Like, WHOA, it's someone I recognize who's relevant right now

585
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: rather than someone who is a celebrity forty five years ago.

586
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they were like el loon. But yeah, he

587
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 5: got he got his, He got his. He got to

588
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 5: jump up and down and say a bunch of bullshit.

589
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: So we'll see if that helps. We'll see if that

590
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: helps expand the map.

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00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake the Snake, everybody, that was the other option.

592
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Jake the Snake. Roberts from WWF remember him, got him?

593
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: And oh shit, Elon actually made it this time. So

594
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: we've got We've got Elon Jake the Snake. If you

595
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: remember Yoko Zuna, he'll be out here later. It's all

596
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: going to be a fantastic moment. Fantastic moment, all right, Uh,

597
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: anti war protests over the weekend dominated Zuna died. Oh

598
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Speaker 1: I didn't really see Jake the Snake was still alive.

599
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, even I was like Yoko's I feel like Yoko

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Speaker 3: Zuna died when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that happened, okay, okay. Yeah. The White House

602
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: marked the one year anniversary of October seventh by you know,

603
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: croaking out the same bullshit about Israel's right to defend itself,

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Speaker 1: with kind of only a cursory mention of Palestinians, no

605
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: mention of the fact that much of the world spent

606
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: the weekend protesting the ongoing genocide and yeah, countries, it

607
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: was everywhere across the world just saw massive anti war

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00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: protests over the weekend, including London. I think there are

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands who turned out to Mark for Peace

610
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: in London, which, as it was reported in The Guardian,

611
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: what a headache for the police. But yeah, yes, what

612
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Speaker 1: a headache for the police.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean this was it wasn't it was

614
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Speaker 3: every pretty much most nations had some form of protest happening.

615
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Speaker 3: And DC it looked like a guy attempted to self

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Speaker 3: immolate and you know, was his arm like his arm

617
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: caught fire and then he was pretty quickly extinguished. And

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00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: colleges are also you know, colleges are back in session

619
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Speaker 3: and they're doing things like canceling interfaith prayer vigils. If

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00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: you know, guest lecturers have had anything, you know, negative

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Speaker 3: to say about Israeli policy. But then like Yale has

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Speaker 3: Ben ship hero On for how quote how October seventh

623
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: broke America's college campuses very much needed, much needed discors

624
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: back now at this time. But I mean, like, wow,

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00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: you know, reflecting on a year of this, I'm just

626
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: struck how used to death we have become, you know,

627
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: more than anything, because we Americans already had this unique

628
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: sort of callous built up on our souls, where you know,

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Speaker 3: we can.

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Speaker 1: School shooting after school shooting. It's just like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess that is what it is.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, like now, when you look at the

633
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Speaker 3: scale of what's happening to Palestinian people, and you know,

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: with the kind of clarity that we have in terms

635
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 3: of the morality of it all, it's really it's bone chilling.

636
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: And Western media, colonial media, has created an environment where

637
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: sympathy can only move in one direction. Anything else will

638
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: be seen as an act of violence. Last week, right,

639
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were talking about when

640
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: Tannahisi Coats was getting grilled on the CBS Morning Show

641
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: because he showed that there's a line you cannot cross

642
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: in sort of the mainstream accepted discourse because in his book,

643
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: he was treated like a criminal basically during this quote

644
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: unquote interview for merely saying that, you know, in my book,

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Speaker 3: I talk about how I went to go see what

646
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Speaker 3: the situation is with Palestinians and how the Israelis are governing,

647
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: and what I saw with my eyes was a modern

648
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: apartheid state where ethnicity was the basis for whether or

649
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: not you were granted basic rights, and for that it

650
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: became very clear to me that what was happening was

651
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: not complex in the basic terms of who is granted

652
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: humanity and who is not, who has rights and who

653
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: is not, And so that reaction, I think just reminded.

654
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 3: I think reminds me, and I think most people see

655
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: that to be able to acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian

656
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: people is just still a bridge too far in most places.

657
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: I was watching like MSNBC this morning because I was

658
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: very curious what the MSNBC version is of October seventh things,

659
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: and you were just sort of treated to solemn interview

660
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: after solemn interview, whether it was parents of someone who

661
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: has taken hostage or rabbis talking about like, what you know,

662
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 3: the pain in their communities, which I think.

663
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Is all valid.

664
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: I understand that really, but what it happened was it

665
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: was the complete erasure of Palestinian people and their experience

666
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: throughout all of this, and we've like, we just have this.

667
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: This a great American habit to look at a situation

668
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: and be like, we know these people are dying, but

669
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: we aren't going to talk about it because we have

670
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: to manufacture as much consent for what we want to

671
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: do in terms of what our policy is and what

672
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: the military industrial complex wants. So complete, I mean, like

673
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 3: I'm sure net and Yahuo has probably brought a tear

674
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 3: to his eye to see that it was merely there's

675
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: like a near total erasure of what Palestindian people are

676
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: going through in terms of.

677
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: Like what the one year coverage is.

678
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: And we have an administration too that is like constantly

679
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: making the worst decisions in regards to this genocidal campaign,

680
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: and it's become absurd to the point that like not

681
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: even having a near supermajority of Democrat voters saying when

682
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: you pull them, what would you like see done? Stop

683
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: arming Israel comes up as one of the top things

684
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: that that's not even enough to move the needle in

685
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: any meaningful way. So like with this system too, and

686
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: I think as a lot of the times I've seen

687
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: a lot of write ups too from foreign policy people

688
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 3: will be like, you know, what the Harrison administration could

689
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: do to differentiate or what needs to do is we

690
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: have to have some kind of accountability for the fact

691
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: that we absolutely have failed the palest Indian people. Is

692
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: that you realize we have this we have a right

693
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: to vote, but I'm not sure you have a right

694
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: to representation, which I think there's a real big difference there,

695
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: because we talk about our ability to vote, but how

696
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: many like when we look at what is happening, what

697
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: is our ability to have our values represented? And that's

698
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: I think a place where we just fall terribly, terribly short.

699
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was kind of struck by a Harris campaigning

700
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: with the Cheneye at the end of last week as

701
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Israel's all out assault on Gaza and Lebanon continues, and

702
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: just I was reading something about the exploding pager attacks

703
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: in the way that they justified it by being like,

704
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, or at least implicitly. I don't know if

705
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: they've even admitted it was them, but they were like, yeah,

706
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: but they were the bad guys and so basically they

707
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: can do anything. And just how reminiscent it is of

708
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: the war on Terror that America waged, you know, like

709
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: yet young children were blown up and killed by those

710
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: pager explosions. But it just it really feels like we're

711
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of that original war against everyone who

712
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: looked guilty to America and at a time when America

713
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: was like really not trying to be discerning now, you know, truly.

714
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: We're like Iraq, Yeah, let's go there for nine to eleven. Right, Okay, yeah,

715
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: that works.

716
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: But it just feels like once you do some evil

717
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: shit like that, you don't just get to turn the

718
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: hose off when your bloodlust is quenched. You know, you've

719
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: created a precedent, which net Yahoo has like used has

720
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: been like what about you guys. You guys did this

721
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: shit too, right, which, yeah, like you're saying, is why

722
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: it's so extra urgent for someone to do something to

723
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: stop it and why it's extra frustrating to see the

724
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Democrats who were refusing to do that instead campaigning with like, yeah, war.

725
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Criminals, yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, Dick Cheney, we love them,

726
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: don't we, folks.

727
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing.

728
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: Nan Yahoo was was a huge supporter of the Iraq war.

729
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: He said that nine eleven was When asked what he

730
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: thought of, like what nine to eleven would do for

731
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: in terms of like US Israeli relations, he said, oh,

732
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: it's very good, right, and he's like in that there

733
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: was a lot of like then he clarified sympathy obviously

734
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: for like what has just happened because you're saying in

735
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: the like the horror of a terrorist attack would create

736
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: a lot of flexibility in terms of you know, it's

737
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: implied a lot of flexibility in terms of the violence

738
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: that could be inflicted when retaliating. And now it's like

739
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: the thing that is really to that point right about

740
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: you saying that this is a continuation of the war

741
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: on terror. Just look how much the rhetoric has changed

742
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: from October seventh, eighth of last year, when it was

743
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: Hamas must be eliminated, and now we have the White

744
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: House saying Hamas the hoo thies, Hezbollah, Iran. Yeah, it's

745
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 3: just expanding now because again, like just like in terms

746
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: of how Netanyahu was looking at nine to eleven, it's

747
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: like when you have something where there's a loss of

748
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 3: life to civilian and you kind of get carte blanche

749
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: to do some shit in the name of retaliation. It

750
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: doesn't even have to be logical, but you can use that.

751
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: And but I but at this point, I feel like

752
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, the sympathy has been exhausted

753
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: to the point where now we're looking at you know,

754
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 3: obviously there's like the figures that the news will say

755
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: that like it's close to forty two thousand people that

756
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: have been killed in Gaza, when realistically that number is

757
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: probably in the six figures when all said and done,

758
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: because that's just stuff like where you could you could

759
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: find someone that Yeah, now we're talking about an expansion

760
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: of hostilities, and you know the America is doing the thing. Dude, like, well,

761
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: obviously we're not. We're not, we're not, we don't. We

762
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: don't think all of that's good now, But who's to

763
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: say at the end of the day, Like you said,

764
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: there's this country definitely once once they get a taste

765
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: of it, it's very hard to stop it. And yeah,

766
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: I'm that's like that was like what it was really

767
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: alarming about that statement from the White House was like

768
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: the number of groups that had been named, like identified

769
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: by name in connection to October seventh as a way

770
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: to manufacture consent to like increased hostilities was very.

771
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just amazing that they didn't end with et cetera.

772
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: And so right at the end of that list.

773
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: Right with like an asterisk where it's like, you know,

774
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: this lineup may change at any moment, like a fucking

775
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: festival concert, like festival lineup for Coachella.

776
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get that this is the anniversary of

777
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the loss of you know, thousands of innocent Israeli lives,

778
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like you said this, you know,

779
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: those lives need to be mourned. I just you know,

780
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: there are so many innocent lives being lost elsewhere that

781
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: are just not being acknowledged really anywhere in the Western media.

782
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: And this is what this is what Tanehase Coats was

783
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: pressed on, yeah, saying, well, you know, did do these.

784
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: People not lose their lives?

785
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: He said, He's like, I'm not negating that at all,

786
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: but yeah, those those voices in the those perspectives have

787
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: been well represented. They are available to people very easily.

788
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 3: These other ones are not. And I think it's it's

789
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: it's less about necessarily the specifics of October seventh and

790
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: more like I'm like, when we take a macro view

791
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: of how this country operates any way foreign policy or

792
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: even domestically, the same way that people have to vilify

793
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: people of color who are killed by the police, there's

794
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: a way where it's like the sympathy flows in one direction,

795
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: and if someone loses their life and it's at the

796
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: hands of the state or the state is involved, then

797
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: you have to find a way to distance yourself or

798
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: get people to distance themselves from the victim's humanity as well.

799
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: And that's I think as we see our problems become,

800
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: you know, more intense, that's like a huge, huge flaw

801
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: that leadership wise, that has to be addressed because I

802
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 3: don't I still do believe in the good in people

803
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: to take care of each other, although it comes out

804
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: at the worst of times when we have to band

805
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: together to do that. But it's also something that we

806
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: can consider when we're looking at just generally of how

807
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: we're moving and what we want out of how we're

808
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: interacting with the world, and what we want for our

809
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 3: own futures.

810
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come

811
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: back and talk about the Joker too. We'll be right back,

812
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back.

813
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: And one story, as I was saying, as we were saying,

814
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: as I was saying, so, Variety over the weekend published

815
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 3: an article about the problem of toxic fandom and how

816
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 3: the studios behind big franchises have been responding to it.

817
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: And it feels like they're just like feeding it in

818
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: some ways, like they do have measures in place to

819
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: like protect talent. If a you know, actor is portraying

820
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: a character who is challenging a franchise's status quo, studios

821
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: now will like take over their social media accounts entirely

822
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: like with their permission. And if the actor is threatened,

823
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: which they so commonly are, security firms will be hired

824
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: in order to like scrub their info so they're not

825
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: docs and like protect them in some ways. But then

826
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the other part of this strategy is to just like

827
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: try to not piss off the people. It feels like

828
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: like the toxic fandoms, So they've been organizing.

829
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like maga shit yeah, or like Republicans.

830
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: They just they're like.

831
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Fuck dude, But what about the freaks that are gonna

832
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: yell at me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm going to completely

833
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: abandon every principle I had in the creative process because

834
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking losers were getting up doing Twitter

835
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: polls about like Star Wars is too black Now.

836
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the New York Times response to the

837
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: rise of Mega, you know, being like, how do we

838
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: interview how do any of these people who will who

839
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: will talk to us? So studios have been organizing focus

840
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: groups featuring quote specialized cluster of super fans who can

841
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: view marketing materials and even suggest changes if a project

842
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: isn't finished yet, which like when you think about so

843
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: the biggest fan complaints that we've gotten in recent years,

844
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: like the ones that they think about include, you know,

845
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: stop putting black people in Star Wars and women shouldn't

846
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: be allowed to be ghostbusters, a functional job invented by

847
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Dan Aykroyd in the eighties, presumably on a lot of cocaine.

848
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine a worse idea for the creation

849
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: of art, Like.

850
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: It's not art, that's not art, you know what I mean?

851
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: Art is an active self expression.

852
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: You don't see.

853
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Picasso wouldn't go up, I mean not that

854
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: he was. Like imagine right, like a rembrand, someone at

855
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: the top of their game going on stage to paint

856
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: live for people, and every stroke they look at that and.

857
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Go huh uh huh yeah okay, ye warm up, warm okay,

858
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and then they're like, draw a fucking circle. Well, but

859
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I I do realism, and I can make lifelike things

860
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: that may give us a commentary or something, or maybe

861
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: the contorted figures to present something else.

862
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: Just draw the fucking circle, you fucking freak. That's my

863
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: favorite shape. We lose something by not having not to say, like,

864
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to be like, dude, these

865
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: these are our highest forms of art. But in the

866
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: sense that the act of creating something is inherently artistic,

867
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: that you won't be able. People won't be able to

868
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: interact with something that at least gets them to think,

869
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: not even saying that like, oh, we cast this personal

870
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: color to get you to think they did that because

871
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: it's reflecting the world around you, right, that it's not,

872
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: and that the industry is not inherently so like white dominated.

873
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it still is to have a varying degrees,

874
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: but there are there are moments where we get something

875
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: that resembles equity.

876
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: So then it'd be like, I don't want that.

877
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: You're just saying just overall, we're like, okay, well, we're

878
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: seeding to the forces that don't want progress at all

879
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: in any form.

880
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: So let's listen to the people who have made past

881
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: iterations of this work an unhealthily load bearing part of

882
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: their personality and ask them what what should happen? Right, Like, yeah,

883
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's uh It just seems like a

884
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: bad idea will presumably just result in franchises producing less

885
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: diverse media, of course, and we'll only make existing problems worse.

886
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 3: But the thing is, they're gonna do the thing where

887
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: they'll they're gonna they'll acquiesce to this nonsense. The product

888
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: becomes stale, it doesn't fucking sell anymore, then they panic

889
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: and don't know what to do, and then they got

890
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, maybe this will just hasten

891
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: the evolution of things to come, and maybe you can

892
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: like let go of fucking ip where people are like

893
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: my grandfather's version of that character was a clan member.

894
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: What have you done? Right? You know? Like what the

895
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: fuck like this is?

896
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, So maybe maybe there is a positive

897
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: part to it that like we can do away with

898
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: some of these things that have become, like you said,

899
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: so integral to people, like their personalities or their you know,

900
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: media diets, that we can maybe create some space for

901
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: something new, because like, yeah, I think I'm a big

902
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: Star Wars fan and I don't need no more Star

903
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: Wars right now.

904
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're good here.

905
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: I'm so open to seeing something new, like the new

906
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: Star Wars, that shit would even fucking that would fuck

907
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: me up even more whatever that is. But they could

908
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: see Disney being like, it'll get ready for new Star

909
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: Wars and be like, what.

910
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: It's just new Coke basically, yeah, right right, yeah, the

911
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: same Star Wars but with better CGI or you did that. Yeah.

912
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: It just feels like when we like did the story

913
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: about the article on like what's killing Hollywood, and it's

914
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: a lot of just like corporate ideas getting integrated into

915
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: like the big studios. I feel like we just more

916
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: and more need to assume that, like we're going to

917
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: be seeing diminishing returns with these massive studios and like

918
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: look elsewhere for our art because the one way that

919
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: they can respond to like what you're talking about and

920
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: like do a course correction is like by just like

921
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: stealing something made by independent creators. Right, So that's I

922
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: think what has to be our hope, because I don't

923
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: think they're going to be like, oh, well, this isn't working,

924
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: so let's figure it out. It just seems like they're

925
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: their decision is to when something isn't working as well,

926
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: just like triple down and focus group test things within

927
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: an inch of their lives.

928
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: Just get just again, it's it's it's more corporate corporate

929
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: ethos is killing your work.

930
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: Go more, just like, yeah, to the metal on that ship.

931
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: Don't embrace the thing that created your industry to begin with,

932
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: which is like embracing new ideas, creativity and like doing

933
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: other stuff. And again, I think that just speaks to

934
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: because of like the corporate capture of the industry, that

935
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: it's now just purely become a money making endeavor that

936
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: has to be able to be done formulaically, that you

937
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 3: get formulaic content.

938
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, speaking of formulaic content or not, dude, or

939
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe groundbreaking. The Joker sequel Joker fully a Ducts,

940
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: I think is how it's pronounced fully Dukes French Dukes

941
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Dukes was number one of the box office, but it

942
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: made forty million dollars. They were expecting seventy million dollars

943
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: and the first movie made over a billion dollars total

944
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: worldwide and cost fifty five million to make. This movie

945
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: somehow cost one hundred and ninety million dollars to make

946
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: and appears to be on track to not even make

947
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: its budget back. It's around the same so it's opening

948
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: weekend box office take was around the same as what

949
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: Morbius made the Jared leto Spider Man universe, but without

950
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: Spider Man movie Morbius. The fans hate it. I always

951
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: keep saying.

952
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: The fans are like, it's a fuck you to fans,

953
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, why is it?

954
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: Because they they weren't expecting a half baked musical, right, Yeah?

955
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: Is that what it was? Because I mean, I don't know,

956
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: so Todd Phillips made it clear. It's like, Bro, what

957
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: you're getting, dude, is some wild ass revolutionary musical shit.

958
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've not seen this movie yet, so I don't

959
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: I can't speak to what Todd Phillips has done here,

960
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: but it I mean, it is kind of funny to

961
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: have this story following the last one, because I'm sure

962
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: the Hollywood reaction is like, we should a focused group

963
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: tested that shit and just like taken the movie away

964
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: from Todd Phillips and built out the Joker verse instead

965
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: of just letting Todd Phillips do whatever he wanted to do.

966
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: But according to audiences, this thing is a turkey. It

967
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: is the first ever comic book movie to receive a

968
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: D rating from Cinema Score, which is like the thing

969
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: where they pull movie goers after seeing a movie and

970
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of get an aggregate of reactions, and it's usually

971
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of like how a movie's going

972
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: to do, like if it's going to hold well. So

973
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: in addition to having a bad opening, it feels like

974
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: this is going to hold particularly poorly. And I just

975
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: guy won Oscar for the first one. You know, you.

976
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 3: Contrast it with that that first one got Joaquin Phoenix

977
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: an Oscar, and I guess comparatively a B plus on

978
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: Cinema Score.

979
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: So B plus to a D. That sounds like sounds

980
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: like the summer I started smoking weed and I, yeah,

981
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like we need to talk

982
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: to your parents. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that it's the

983
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: lowest score ever is like, just think about how many

984
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: dog shit comic book movies there have been, right, Like

985
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: the worst one prior to this was twenty fifteen's Fantastic

986
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: Four movie, which got a C minus. This is a

987
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: flat D. Damn, that's a D flat. That's a D flat, man.

988
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know, a lot of people are saying,

989
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: like the takeaway is that it seemed to go out

990
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: of its way to alienate the first movies fans replacing

991
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, the in cel coded Kirkland brands score vibes

992
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: with musical numbers featuring Lady Gaga.

993
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody who saw the first one

994
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: or just saw Joker Ado.

995
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: And Joelle I'll call Joe.

996
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: Joelle has her takes out there for anybody to see.

997
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: She when I was we saw each other on Friday,

998
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: we all got together and.

999
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: Were we talking about.

1000
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: That with each I know you were around anyway, we

1001
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: look we all got together as a family.

1002
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: As we was around it. That was lingering.

1003
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was like, oh, tell me about you

1004
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: know Joker too, And she was like, it's just so strange.

1005
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: She said, it was just.

1006
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: So weird because it felt like fundamentally Todd Phillips doesn't

1007
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: understand what a musical is. Like songs just came out

1008
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: like he was just breaking the song with the weirdest moments,

1009
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 3: not even in a way where like when you watch

1010
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: a musical you're like, I.

1011
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: Feel a song coming on type of thing.

1012
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: It's just like, and this part was song just apropos

1013
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: of nothing. So even I guess even if you went

1014
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: as a musical fan, just not even that part was

1015
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: delivering so it sounds like a few few mistakes all around.

1016
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like maybe the problem is less like wow,

1017
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: they didn't pander to fans, and more that he made

1018
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: a musical and seemingly had didn't know what musicals were

1019
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: before he made the musical. Like we talked before about

1020
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: how his quotes was like, the movie's not really a musical.

1021
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: The characters just kind of start singing when they're like

1022
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion, and like just basically described a musical.

1023
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: So it feels like maybe he had just like not

1024
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: seen one. Todd Phillips also an old school filmmaker in

1025
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: the sense that he steals from older filmmakers and to

1026
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: also treat sequels the way they were treated in the

1027
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, like back at a time when like

1028
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: a sequel was just like, look like, what do you want.

1029
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: This is going to be a complete cash grap It's

1030
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: a sequel. We're just going to do the same plot,

1031
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: but in this time, the airplane is going into the sun,

1032
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, right right, we'll just call it another forty

1033
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: eight hours and it'll it'll be literally that. Because in

1034
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: the past, I mean the Hangover Part two, one of

1035
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: the worst sequels I've ever experienced. So maybe he's just

1036
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: he's not the guy to put in charge of the

1037
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: sequel to his massive you know, that was the last

1038
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: time like he captured the pulse of America with The

1039
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Hangover and with The Joker, and then both times he

1040
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: used his grasp on our pulse to put everyone in

1041
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: a sleeper hole immediately after with the sequel, So.

1042
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: It's he went into it like really feel I'm just

1043
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm reading this interview from I think right before, like

1044
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: as they were getting into production, and he was just like,

1045
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: why do something if it doesn't scare the shit out

1046
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 3: of you. I'm addicted to rich. Yeah, I made old school.

1047
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: I made old school, dude, I'm addicted to risk and

1048
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: road trip. You feel me.

1049
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: He's like, I mean it keeps you up at night,

1050
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: it makes your hair fall out, but it's a sweat

1051
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: that keeps you going, and like, yeah, broadly, that is

1052
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: what you'd want, Like you want, Yeah, I wish studios

1053
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: did things that scared the shit out of them. But

1054
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: then to read it all and have it come back

1055
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 3: to he's like, yeah, I don't know, And they say

1056
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: he's singing some.

1057
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: Songs I don't know. Is it bad? All right, well,

1058
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Maybe he was commenting on

1059
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: our ancient predatory ability to run animals. It is the

1060
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: sweat that keeps you going. Mm hmmm. Yeah. Anyways, I

1061
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: uh he started speaking with a French accent, like as

1062
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: he was making this movie. I feel like that would

1063
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: be uh, that would be in keeping with what I

1064
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: know of God Phillips.

1065
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: It's also so funny too, like he's for his like

1066
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: artsy sort of like and he's like, yeah, dude, I'm

1067
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: kind of like a fucking risk taker, you know when

1068
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: I he's like you know that at the time. These

1069
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: are like the comedies that were were like yo, dude,

1070
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: these these things fucking are dope. He like, I guess

1071
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: he was always at the shot at the Chateau Marmont,

1072
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: like writing as if he was like Jim Morrison or

1073
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: something or blueshi kind of thing, and like that's where

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Speaker 3: he was writing, like old school apparently, like that's hold

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Speaker 3: up at the chateau, right, Okay, cool dude.

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Speaker 1: Cool shatateau, which is basically like a Disney World feature

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Speaker 1: of the Chateau Marmont at this point. Yeah, that's just

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Speaker 1: exactly Yeah, visionary yeah, I guess you could say that.

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Speaker 1: It's like nobody nobody said that word, where nobody said anything.

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Speaker 1: You just came into the room and said visionary. I

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Speaker 1: guess you could say that as.

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Speaker 3: I was saying, this is an interview where I'm going

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Speaker 3: to ask you a question. Oh my bad, my bad,

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Speaker 3: my bad, Go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Those are some of the things that are trending on

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Speaker 1: this Monday, October seventh. We are back tomorrow with a

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Speaker 1: whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind

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Speaker 1: to each other, be kind to yourself, get the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: get your flu shot, don't do nothing about white supremacy,

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Speaker 1: and we will artil tomorrow. Bye bye,