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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Stephanie back with another bonus episode. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to episode ten, I want to explain a bit

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Speaker 1: about Laura and her mom's interaction with the Scottsdale Police

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Speaker 1: in November and December of twenty twenty three. The police

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Speaker 1: were dispatched to Laura's house for a welfare check on

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Speaker 1: her at least four separate times. Two of them were

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Speaker 1: recorded on officer body cams and have been made public. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to play you those recordings. You'll get to

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Speaker 1: hear from Laura's mom, Jan Black, and from Laura herself.

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Speaker 1: They tell the police their side of the story. We

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Speaker 1: lightly edited them to cut out dead air or repeated information,

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Speaker 1: but we've left these mostly intact so you can hear

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Speaker 1: the whole interaction. We're starting with the welfare check on

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Speaker 1: December twelfth, twenty twenty three. Laura's mom, Jan is the

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Speaker 1: one who answers the door, and just a heads up,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear the officer's phone buzzing from time to time.

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Speaker 2: M mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Is Laura there? Yeah? Is this is somebody called in

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Speaker 3: a welfare chuck about her?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, it's a friend from New York.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you know who that might be.

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Speaker 6: No, what I do know is that she is the

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Speaker 6: target of an online harassment campaign that has been going

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Speaker 6: on for months.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that they wanted to do.

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Speaker 6: It was started by a disgirdled ex boyfriend of hers,

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Speaker 6: and he started posting all of this crazy stuff about

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Speaker 6: her on Reddit, stuff that is.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable. And so he has encouraged people to do.

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Speaker 6: To call in the Scotstale Police Department and do and

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is like the third one in a week, okay.

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Speaker 6: And I had contacted the I mean she called in

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Speaker 6: and talked to Discutsdale Police Department as well and said,

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Speaker 6: you know, we don't want your resources. This is this

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Speaker 6: is ridiculous. It's a prank, okay thing, But I'm happy

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Speaker 6: to go get her. She was she was taking a nap.

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Speaker 6: She this has been devastating, beyond belief.

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Speaker 4: Is she asleep now.

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Speaker 3: She's she's taken a nap, but I can wake her up.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that would be necessary.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well so I don't.

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Speaker 7: For some reason, it wasn't in our notes for your address.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to put comments in there that says this

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Speaker 7: is an ongoing prank, right, they still may send We

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Speaker 7: have to understand because if we don't, if it's not

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Speaker 7: us on or it's not the same dispatchers, they still

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Speaker 7: might just send on it. But I would work on

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Speaker 7: trying to contact Reddit and let them know.

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Speaker 6: She has contacted them. They will not take it now,

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Speaker 6: they will not take it down and disco he's created

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Speaker 6: different fake accounts.

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Speaker 3: He I mean, it's he's going to great legs. Have

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Speaker 3: you looked into an injunction.

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Speaker 6: Against harass she has against him? She's this is part

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Speaker 6: of his part of his things. She's had this against

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Speaker 6: him for two years.

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Speaker 4: And ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an old ex boyfriend and she had the

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Speaker 6: injunction against harassment against him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's really.

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Speaker 6: Another friend of ours who is an FBI profiler had

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Speaker 6: and she said, he's the kind of a person who

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Speaker 3: And he had he had said to her, he texted.

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Speaker 6: And that was two years ago, and he's just he's

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Speaker 4: Is he local here?

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, he's local. What's his name, he's local. His

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Speaker 6: Frank the last week, do you but he could have

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Speaker 3: She had she contacted the Scout Sale Police Department with

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Speaker 6: Instances of these and they sent it to the prosecutor's office,

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Speaker 6: So I think that one of his motives is to

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Speaker 6: and you know, well.

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Speaker 7: And then especially for her document it, get copies of

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Speaker 6: Right, And he's contacted a podcaster who has also been

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Speaker 6: doing just relentless posts about her and.

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Speaker 3: Might know, well what happened, what prompted a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of this stuff is my daughter became pregnant by

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Speaker 6: the guy who was the bachelor last year, and she

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Speaker 3: Times he was saying to us like, oh, but he.

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Speaker 6: Wanted to be involved in the pregnancy and all this

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Speaker 6: him like into kind of an overdrive thing, and then

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Speaker 6: he reached out to him. And it's like my daughter

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Speaker 6: finally did a big post on Medium the other day explaining,

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Speaker 6: you know, just the toll that all of this has

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Speaker 3: It's just it's crazy.

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Speaker 6: On the link, I think there's probably somebody our neighbor,

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Speaker 6: maybe sits dogs. So I think that this is like

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Speaker 6: pick up Okay, I know, I know, I'm always kind

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Speaker 6: of like that too.

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Speaker 7: Get one. I also try to get online. You can

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Speaker 7: contact Google at different places and have her information remove

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Speaker 7: from online like house phone, number of things like that.

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Speaker 3: Work on doing that too.

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Speaker 7: Try to get as much information as you can offline.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard. We we have to do it,

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Speaker 3: and that's exactly how they tell us to do it.

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Speaker 7: And there's ways to like whitepages dot com and you

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Speaker 7: can go on there's a link it says remove my

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Speaker 7: information and you can go on that. Have her start

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Speaker 7: doing all that information too, and then I get that

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Speaker 7: they'll come into the house.

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Speaker 3: But see what you can do to block that information,

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Speaker 3: right right right? Well, I just feel I feel really awful.

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Speaker 6: For you guys, because you know this is this is

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Speaker 6: it's a waste of it's a waste of resources, and

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Speaker 6: it's obviously you know ranks.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what phone number had contacted? It's a

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Speaker 3: four and five area code. It's out of New York.

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Speaker 3: Four and five is is San Francisco. You're from San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Our number the four while four day.

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Speaker 5: The person that called us gave us that phone number.

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Speaker 4: Contactor said that whoever called doesn't have it's.

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Speaker 3: Getting old information online.

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Speaker 8: Okay, do you have do you because I just like

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Speaker 8: to give me it's not can I'll walk out and

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Speaker 8: the rabbit, Oh that would be great.

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Speaker 5: Do you notice spelled?

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Speaker 4: Greg's last name?

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Speaker 9: Is it g I L L E. S.

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Speaker 3: S p i E.

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Speaker 4: Has he been harassing her by stopping by the house

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Speaker 4: at all or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: He has gone into her email.

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Speaker 6: He they they dated very briefly, and she became pregnant

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Speaker 6: by him, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 6: He was very shall we say violent in his effort

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Speaker 6: to get her to have an abortion, so she filed

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Speaker 6: an abortion coercion case against him, which really ticked him off.

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Speaker 6: She didn't ask for any money for her She asked

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Speaker 6: for a charitable donation for abortion coersion.

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Speaker 3: Did you get it? Yeah, it's for DOES And I'm

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Speaker 3: going to actually give them a call to follow up

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Speaker 4: Okay, what is what does Greg drive? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't she didn't.

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Speaker 6: He's made I mean absolutely, he's made crazy things. He's

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Speaker 6: posted online stuff saying that that he went to high school.

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Speaker 3: With her, which he never did.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's posted on these fake accounts saying that

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Speaker 6: was pregnant by a developmental, developmentally disabled kid, the father

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Speaker 6: of somebody else, the principal, the school principle. I mean,

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Speaker 6: things that are so unbelievably outrageous. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 6: like it's to really, I think, try to discredit her

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Speaker 6: again so that when her order against him comes up,

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Speaker 6: then it'll look like, oh wow, you.

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Speaker 3: Look at the stuff online.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, so there is a current order of protection

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Speaker 3: against him. Yes, yes, there is.

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Speaker 3: And I mean and the guy is the guy is unhinged.

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Speaker 6: To her when she wanted to file this abortion corrosion

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Speaker 6: case in the first place, they said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: Torrent of of yeah, you know, really really bad stuff.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, I I I appreciated it, and no problem.

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Speaker 3: Look and definitely look into trying to get any.

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Speaker 8: Information you can removed online. They had your name too,

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Speaker 8: they did. What did they have as Elizabeth? Okay, that's

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Speaker 8: my that's my given name. Jam is my nickname James Robert.

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Speaker 3: When I took a picture of.

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Speaker 6: It, Okay, I had your husband's name, Ki okay, wrong, okay, so.

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Speaker 7: No address, so I would I would definitely try to

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Speaker 3: Can move from online.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well they've they've been trying to post on our

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Speaker 3: They've posted on her social media stuff.

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Speaker 6: They've h and and this guy, as I say, when

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Speaker 6: she was going out with him, he said like, you know, well,

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Speaker 6: I'm really suspicious of people, So you know, would you

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Speaker 6: give me your passwords because I wouldn't want to think,

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Speaker 6: you know, I want everything to.

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Speaker 3: Be prought, you know, to I wanted to trust each other.

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Speaker 3: So she gave it. She was like, oh, okay, sure,

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Speaker 6: So he's gone in to her emails from years and

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Speaker 6: years ago and doctored emails and sent them as though

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Speaker 6: they were from her.

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Speaker 3: He's doctored let her head.

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Speaker 6: He did come here one time when she was dating him,

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Speaker 6: and the first thing he said is he said, hey,

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Speaker 6: I nat your parents WiFi information. He was out here,

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Speaker 6: I need their WiFi, what's their password and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: So he's he's been doing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, if later, when you speak to Laura, like I said,

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Speaker 9: I don't necessarily want to wake her up. If she

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Speaker 6: My daughter lives in New York, My other daughter lives

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Speaker 3: What's going on. She would and she would contact you,

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Speaker 3: No, it was before you.

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Speaker 9: Okay, okay, And also reach out to the detective again

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Speaker 10: But these guys have a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 3: She and I do a podcast and we've done it for.

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Speaker 6: Explain what's been going on, because otherwise she was feeling

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Speaker 3: We'll put comments in there so they know.

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Speaker 6: Officer Rannick was the guy who who contacted her the

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, I really appreciate anything. Hey, way, I've

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Speaker 1: At the end of the video, Jan hands a candy

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, are you looking for Laura?

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Speaker 3: Laura's my daughter?

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Speaker 11: Okay here, yeah, uh she called the FBI, and the

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Speaker 4: Oh, she was reporting something to him, but she was

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Speaker 3: Can I just make sure see your car?

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Speaker 4: They said, she's back here, but she was gonna come on.

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Speaker 4: There's two of them sitting right here.

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Speaker 12: Okay, okay, okay, all right, we'll come on.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you come on in?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, she's had some real issues with an ex boyfriend

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Speaker 3: One second, let me just go gather.

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Speaker 4: Hang on, why did.

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Speaker 3: You contact the FBI this morning, cyber Crimes Unit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you talk to somebody or.

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Speaker 13: is that some something you said was borderline suicidal?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: That was from the guy that that was also from.

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Speaker 5: She was saying she's been targeted, like she's had a

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I had fifty videos of me on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: She had said in there that the harassment I.

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Speaker 8: I had told the guy specifically that like, creating these

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Speaker 5: Porter's really suicidal.

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Speaker 12: I was like last month, I messaged him and he

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Speaker 5: But I'm fine. He's like this guy has made.

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Speaker 13: Somebody at the actually saw your yeah right and saw

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Speaker 5: Right, We're like, oh, we better call make sure you're.

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Speaker 13: Not actually gonna hurt yourself right now.

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Speaker 4: And you're not. You don't need any assistance or okay.

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Speaker 5: I'm good.

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Speaker 12: No, yeah, unless you can get the guy to to stop.

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Speaker 5: But I mean it's been it's been horrific. Absolutely sounds like.

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Speaker 13: Somebody at the FP I got your plans hopefully hopefully.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm the mom.

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Speaker 4: You're aware of everything going on, right, so you're here, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everything that's going on.

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Speaker 5: No, it's been it's been well.

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Speaker 4: And if you do start feeling like, yeah, you can

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Speaker 5: All right, appreciate that. I mean, what would be great

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Speaker 12: But it's just that he's he's just really tried to

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Speaker 5: First Amendment, right, right.

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Speaker 2: And I figured I had to contact and he's claiming

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Speaker 2: Laura was saying, well, maybe you know, he has violated

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Speaker 5: This guy posted a map of my house.

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Speaker 12: He posted a thing was showing how to get to

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Speaker 2: People have said like they helpe I'm an organ donor

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Speaker 12: And yeah, yeah, we we just you know, because it's

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Speaker 5: Mean, they've it's just it's just been an absolute night.

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Speaker 4: As long as you're okay. That's why we're here to

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate you look at everything.

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