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Speaker 1: about the worst people in all of history. And let's

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Speaker 1: the Nazis, and we'll convince you that. Nah, you deserve

423
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: to be in the first tier. Yeah, well we'll give

424
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: you a chance to conduct the invasion of Russia and yeah,

425
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: because you deserve to get better grades. So he was

426
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: a he likes music. One of the things he does

427
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: when he's a little kid is he writes a airy

428
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: tale to put on for the benefit of a local orphanage. Yeah,

429
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: he's going to have a lot of stories that involve

430
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: orphanages over the next few years. Yeah. Yeah, less nice

431
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: than others mostly, Yeah, a couple. So he was as

432
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: community oriented as was pretty normal for a German kid

433
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: from his class. In those days, he joins the Red

434
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Cross as a volunteer. He's in the gross Deutsche Jugenbund,

435
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: which is a boy Scouts analog that was pretty fascist.

436
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: He eventually becomes the leader of his town's Yugenbund chapter,

437
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: which consisted of sixty boys and thirty girls. So, hey,

438
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: you know they're at least a mixed gender. That's good.

439
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Look at that. Yeah, you know, good for you, Yugen Boond. Yeah,

440
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: maybe they'll be all right. Yeah. So Joseph would later

441
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: reminisce over one of the Solstice celebrations that he organized

442
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: for the Yugen Boond and oh boy, Matt quote, we

443
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: were proud of our big solstice fire, which blazed into

444
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: the heavens on a ridge opposite the hometown, announcing that

445
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: a small group of boys and girls today celebrated the

446
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Solstice with fervent thoughts and desires in their hearts to

447
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: awaken and arouse the people of their homeland to the

448
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: holy struggle of liberation from the shackles of the nefarious

449
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Versailles Treaty. The fame should the flames should liberate us

450
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: and illuminate our way. They should warm us with the

451
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: love of our great people. And of its high culture,

452
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: and they should incinerate all discord among us Germans. Look,

453
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: I brought punch speaking like this, people going to make smalls.

454
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: But now things have gotten died. So this was a

455
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: bun file by this guy talking about it dest So yeah,

456
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: I should note that the hugen Bound did not accept Jews, because,

457
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: as Joseph would explain later in his diary, the quote

458
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: characteristic qualities of the German people could not be expressed

459
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: if there was alien incrustation allowed to flourish. Yeah, they

460
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: can't say the K word. Yeah, that's literally just like,

461
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: oh she's a Jews came. Also, we can't tell our

462
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: killer Joe. Yeah. Now you could look at this and say, like, ah,

463
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: obviously he was going to grow into a Nazi, but

464
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: historians will note that, like this is pretty normal German

465
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, Like this, this is pretty normal for the

466
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: people who don't become Nazis. Like the fact that this

467
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: is a part of his his upbringing. Obviously it influences

468
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the Nazi he becomes. But we shouldn't pretend like he

469
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: was being directed into fascism. It was more that like

470
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: this was like all over the fucking place, people were

471
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: racist as out right. Yeah, you can't just look at Yeah,

472
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: it was just part of the norm. It was the normal.

473
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: Everyone was. There's communists who have this childhood right in

474
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: this period, people who grow up to be communist who

475
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: who have experiences like this. It's not uncommon. Um. Obviously

476
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: those people often did a much better job of getting

477
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: past it. But like he has a pretty normal upbringing

478
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: racism wise, Um, you hand to Jews the normal amount

479
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: just hate Jews, normal amount. Yeah, yeah, fine, I can

480
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: live with the normal amount. Well yeah, maybe put a

481
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: pin in that one man. So, given that this was

482
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: the very early nineteen hundreds, Joseph's young life also had

483
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: its requisite brushes with death. When he was six, Beppo

484
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: fell into a rain barrel and very nearly drowned. Um, comrade, comrade,

485
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: anti fascist rain barrel. Tried it shried. How do you

486
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: fall into a rain barrel? Beppo? Just a flag with

487
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: a rain barrel that says, I tried the fascist rain.

488
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: It did its best. It did more than us, you know,

489
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: it did more to try to stop Mangola. Um. And

490
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: it's going to this rain barrel Incident's gonna linger with

491
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: him for a while because he gets a case of rain. Yeah.

492
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: So he winds up sick after this and kind of

493
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: like a long series of illnesses leads him to getting

494
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: steel myelitis, which is a bone marrow inflammation. Yeah, and

495
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: so he's going to be after this rain barrel incident,

496
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: and like some incidents that come after it, he's going

497
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: to be like a really sick kid all told. Though

498
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: he's on what you might call the precocious gifted kid

499
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: track in school. He earns really good grades in primary school,

500
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of average grage, and his secondary school because he's

501
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: absent so often because he's sick, he gets kidney infections

502
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: all because of the barrel. And anyway, all of the

503
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: health problems leads to his family sitting down and being like, well,

504
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: we wanted him to run the company, but he's kind

505
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: of like always dying, So maybe maybe we give his

506
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: little brother the company and he can just figure his

507
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: own shit out if he ever stops dying. That's the

508
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: decision his very German family makes, and so Aloys is

509
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: groomed to lead the family firm, and Joseph, as he

510
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: nears graduation, is forced to find something new to do

511
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: with his life. It isn't right about this in detail.

512
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: He seems to have been kind of ashamed of this.

513
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I think this really fucked him up, and to be honest,

514
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: it fucked a lot of us up because we would

515
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: all prefer Joseph Mangola Farming Machine manufacturiously dude on one

516
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest mistakes ever is now just giving him

517
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: control of the company. Yeah, let me invented some nice

518
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: combination have tractors or shit, you know, yeah, yeah, it

519
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: would have been fine. Questions and at plants at the

520
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: same time. The combination machine you need. Um, speaking of

521
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: combination machines, you know, Mangola Machine Works makes an incredible

522
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: range of domestic plows, of threshing machines, of mowers. Um,

523
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we why don't we have our

524
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: sponsors at Mangola just kind of cut in here and

525
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: throwing ahead. They get a promo code for you. Um,

526
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: so if you want twenty percent off of Mangola products,

527
00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: just enter promo code. Not that Mangola. Wow, ah, we're back,

528
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: so good stuff. So, as he's kind of nearing graduation

529
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what he's going to do

530
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: with his life now that the thing he'd prepared for

531
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: as a child was not a possibility for him anymore.

532
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Joseph thought back off into his favorite high school teacher, Uri,

533
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: a gifted educator who, to the detriment of all mankind,

534
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: succeeded in sparking in Joseph a lifelong love of the sciences. Um, again,

535
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: never teach children. It's a horrible idea. This is this

536
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: is why I'm against women in stem because I don't

537
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: want them to become Mangolas. It's that simple that it, Um,

538
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: and no one in science know. This is why we

539
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: need to put more lead in the gasoline. Yeah, make

540
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: it impossible for people to do science, and we'll solve

541
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: all of our problems. Yeah exactly. Yeah, you know, we'll

542
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: just have plagues every now and then. But a plague's

543
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: nobody's fault, you know. Yeah, that's God. Yeah, that's God.

544
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: He's probably angry at us because we didn't pray enough

545
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: for rain or something. You know, who knows. Maybe we

546
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: gotta up now, yea, Now we're sacrificing people again. It

547
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: all comes back to child sacrifice, one way or the other.

548
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: So Yuri teaches him to love science, which would prove

549
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: to be a horrible mistake, and as he ends the

550
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: nears the end of his primary school days, which the

551
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Germans called gymnasium um. Joseph's favorite subjects are all hard science.

552
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: He especially loved zoology and biology, but his favorite course

553
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: of study was the budding new discipline of anthropology. Oh boy, yeah,

554
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote now from David Marwell's Mangola. In April

555
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, he passed his abatur the high school exams

556
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: with a promising but an exceptional grade. His father had

557
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: counseled him that counted was what one achieved, not what

558
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: one set out to achieve. Initially, Joseph considered becoming a dentist,

559
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: since he was convinced it would be very profitable. There

560
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: was not even one dentist in my native town. But

561
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: after discussions with his school friend Julius Diceback, a young Mangelt,

562
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: decided dentistry was too specialized. He opted instead from medicine,

563
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: with an emphasis on anthropology and human genetics. So I

564
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: can study the whole range of medicine. Thus, Joseph, Yeah, yeah,

565
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: that's good. That. Yeah, don't go specific. You don't want

566
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: to be a specialist. You want to get real broad.

567
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, you want to get so broad that you're

568
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: just taking wild guesses based on Yeah, you want to

569
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: convince yourself that you have a much deeper understanding than

570
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: you do, because you you skimmed a couple of textbooks

571
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: about like very history and race and ear shape. That's

572
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: going to be good for you. So part of why

573
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: he's drawn to this so much is that no one

574
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: in his family had done anything like this. There weren't

575
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: any PhDs in his family. There weren't any scientists in

576
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: his family. He brags to his friend des Back. My

577
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: family will be very impressed when I become the very

578
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: first Mangelis scientist. Yes, people will remember the name doctor Mangela.

579
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: He's not wrong. There is a bunch of shit he

580
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: writes when he's young about how I want people to

581
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: remember my name and mission accomplished. He didn't, buddy. So

582
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: this is where we're going to have to have the

583
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: first of a couple of detours, because you can't tell

584
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: the story of Joey Mang's properly without telling the story

585
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: of anthropological sciences in the late eighteen hundreds in early

586
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds and how they became wedded to nationalist politics

587
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: in the post war German state. The origins of race science,

588
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: as Mangela came to do, it actually start back in

589
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: like the seventeen hundreds. One of the earliest developments in

590
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: what will become Mangalis field happened in seventeen twenty seven

591
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: when the Earl of Boulanvillier attempted to make a scientific

592
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: argument that the French nobility were descended from a superior race,

593
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: some long headed Nordics. The French peasantry, he argued, were

594
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: just descended from the Gaulls that Caesar had beaten, and

595
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: thus the rule of the French royal family was enshrined

596
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: in immutable biological law. Wait, hold on, are you trying

597
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: to tell me that science was just used in order

598
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: to justify royal nobility and king's rules. Yeah. Yeah, it's

599
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of like the root of a lot of genetics science.

600
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: In addition to the stuff that was like I want

601
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: to see if we can crossbreed peas, which is you know,

602
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: groundbreaking work, was also like, oh maybe this will allow

603
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: us to find another reason why we should never, never

604
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: not be in charge. Well, you gotta take you good

605
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: with the bad. Yeah, yeah, that's really the history of

606
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: genetics in a nutshell. Yeah, you gotta take good with

607
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: the bad. I mean, you know, you gotta assure genocides

608
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: here and there. But also seedless watermelon, also seedless watermelons. Exact. Look,

609
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: you get some seedless watermelons, you get you know, hundreds

610
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: of thousands of people being burnt to a crisp and Auschwitz.

611
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Who's to say, you know, who's to say? And if

612
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you think and dwell on that and

613
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: you feel bad, smoke some sense, Amelia, dude. Yeahs. Seedless

614
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: weed also bred using the great science of Galton or Lynette,

615
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: yeah whatever. I think it was Galton who did that shit.

616
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: So his argument the Earl of Boulognevillier or whatever did

617
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: not spread that far beyond France, but the work of

618
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: early naturalists would provide a shot in the arm for

619
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: future rich assholes looking to make similar arguments to justify subjugation.

620
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: One of the first scientists in this field who's not

621
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: a bastard, was the father of modern taxonomy and binomial nomenclature,

622
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Careless Linnaeus, who you probably heard about in middle school

623
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: or high school. Careless obviously not a Nazi, he saw,

624
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: you know. And in fact, there's some really progressive attitudes

625
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: towards what he thought about the world. He saw humanity

626
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: as another species in the animal kingdom, which, given the

627
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: way Christians talked about animals in this period of time,

628
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: was a pretty noteworthy belief. Um Linnaeus noted that there

629
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: were many subspecies of other mammals, like dogs and cats.

630
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, you've got wolves, and you've got coyotes, and

631
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: you've got all these different an I don't know if

632
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: he used that specific example, but that kind of stuff,

633
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, you should probably categorize humans

634
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: the same way, which, given the era of science he's in,

635
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: is not a bad thing, but it's gonna cause some

636
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: problems later because he divides the human race into four

637
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: subspecies European, American, Asiatic, and African. Um. I don't think

638
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: careless means much by it, but it's gonna become a problem. Yeah.

639
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he tried his best, but I

640
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: gotta say that classification is a bit careless. Oh oh sorry, Wow,

641
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: sounds like all right, move on, No, you know what,

642
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: that's a T shirt right there. Um, yeah, we'll figure

643
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: it out all of that, put it all in a shirt.

644
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: So Linnaeus is a Swede, and one of his most

645
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: influential colleagues is a dutch Man, the anatomy professor Petrus Camper.

646
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Camper spent way too much time and Linnaeus again groundbreaking scientist.

647
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Uh Camper is a little sillier because one of the

648
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: things this guy does is he spends a shitload of

649
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: time looking at old statues like that the Greeks had

650
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: made and being like, God, why are these people so hot?

651
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: They must this must be this must be evidence that

652
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: they are like the master race and we've all we're

653
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: all like like descendants of them whose blood has been

654
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: dirtied by race mixing. Is kind of just described the

655
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: mindset of like so many times it's it's all it's yeah, exactly,

656
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: all of these like traditional vibes, Twitter accounts, They're like,

657
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: look at the statue, Why do we look like this anymore?

658
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: It's just what that's a normal penis side. It's very

659
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: funny because like a thousand years from now, after you know,

660
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: the nuclear or the mushroom plague or whatever gets us,

661
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: some scientist is going to find old copies of US

662
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: magazine and start doing a racial taxonomy. There's four subspecies.

663
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: There's the Beyonce, there's the Pascal, there's the Cruise, and

664
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: there's like yeah, no, seriously, they're just going to be

665
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: like there were no flaws anywhere in their skin. Sometimes

666
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: they had no belly button, which may have been a

667
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: rush mistake. I'm just I'm just imagining, like year four thousand,

668
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: Nazis like marching half naked under a banner of post malone,

669
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: just looking at a bunch of fucking like old vines,

670
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: being like you know, Zimaster race of z time sometimes

671
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: had this, Uh, they had dog ears and when they

672
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: would open their mouth a tongue would roll out. Yeah,

673
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: and as they would have zipuch of flies around their eyes.

674
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: So future mixing has destroyed us future Catholic stained glass release.

675
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: Instead of like having the halos above their head, they're

676
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: just all yasified, salsified Jesus. It was seventeen ninety five

677
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: that we first get the term Caucasian, coined by Johann Blumenbach,

678
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: who was, of course a German. Blumenbach used the term

679
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: to quote describe the variety of mankind that originated on

680
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: the southern slopes of Mount Caucasus along eastern Europe's eastern border.

681
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: He described Caucasians as the original race and the most beautiful.

682
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Now okay, well yeah, here we go. Yep, we're off

683
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: to the races now, man, let's do it. None of

684
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: this can be separated by from the Atlantic slave trade,

685
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: which is starting to roar at the time, or from

686
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the ongoing genocides in the Americas, both of which cry

687
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: out for a scientific, rational explanation that lets enlightenment Europeans

688
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: feel good about the crimes against humanity there committee right,

689
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: It would be one thing to be like, I don't know, man,

690
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: look back at the Romans, look back at like fucking Hanschi,

691
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: look at people forever. We always are murdering and raping

692
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: and and slaving each other. We're just like that. But

693
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Europeans don't want to do that. They want to be

694
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: like no, but we're liberals. Yeah, we want to there's

695
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: a scientific reason we should be doing. Yeah, we read

696
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: philosophy and we understand, you know, how precious the human

697
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: soul is. Yeah, but I think science as those guys

698
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: are not humans. So yeah, kill yeah. Yeah. It's really

699
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: easier for someone else to make my drinks for me.

700
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna write a lot of books exactly, dude,

701
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: that's why you is just to justify exploiting every person.

702
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: This is like fully half of genetic science. Yes, um so.

703
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: In the eighteen hundreds a generation of scientists arose that

704
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: took the start Bloominbach and Camper and Linaeus had made

705
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: and extended their conclusions much further. Samuel Morton theorized in

706
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds that intelligent was linked to brain size,

707
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: declaring that white people had larger skulls and with a

708
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: superior yeah this is okay, He's like, this is like

709
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: one of the one of the precursors to phrenology for sure. Yea.

710
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Morton's work is quoted and shared extensively by journalists and

711
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: teachers in the era, and it becomes accepted as settled

712
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: science by a lot of white people. Now, there was

713
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: disagreement even in this period by principled men of science

714
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: like Friedrich Tiedeman, who is also a German. To be fair, like,

715
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the Germans are on both sides of this fighting against

716
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: it as well, and Teteman, using the very best scientific

717
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: methods of the day, tries to replicate Morton's research about

718
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: like you know, well, obviously white people have the biggest brains,

719
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: and he can't repeat it. Repeatability as a cornerstone of

720
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: the scientific method, the whole thing, Yes, it's a big

721
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, and he can't do it. So

722
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna quote actually from a write up

723
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: and facing history that kind of summarizes this. He also

724
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: found no evidence for the racial hierarchy, a kind of

725
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: racial lad on which Caucasians always stood at the top

726
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: and Africans at the bottom, that Morton had claimed to uncover.

727
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: Tetaman's work did not attract much attention. It was largely

728
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: ignored or dismissed as unscientific. Um. But I don't think

729
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: we should I think, like, as much shit as we're

730
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: going to rightfully give the German scientific establishment this episodes,

731
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: we should note there are always guys like Teetaman being like,

732
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: fuck this shit, what are you talking about? People are

733
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: like idiots, like not true, and he's not right, yeah,

734
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: and he's not the whole idea of like, you know,

735
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: on its face, it is just the dumbest, funniest thing

736
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: that these guys are scientists and they're going, oh, the

737
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: bigger brain may make more smart and I'm just like,

738
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you? Like, it's like the same

739
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: reason that people, you know, green like movies like The

740
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: Meg where they're like, what if shark big? Yeah, your

741
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: shark better shark. It's like very stupid. You gotta be

742
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of you gotta you gotta be kind of a

743
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: dumb guy to be like yeah, big brain. Yeah. A

744
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: lot of it's just like you know, the the under

745
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: like this kind of belief that I think a lot

746
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: of people, particularly people who are kind of inherently conservative,

747
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: have that, Like it's uncomfortable thinking that there might be

748
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: other equally valid ways to live that are also require

749
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: an equal but different level of development and scientific understanding.

750
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: One of my favorite examples of this, there's a great story.

751
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: There's this place in God it's somewhere in the Amazon.

752
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: I forget exactly which modern day country it's in, but

753
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: it's generally known to anthropologists archaeologists. Is the lost city

754
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: of z that like they were in like the late

755
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, I think early nineteen hundreds, a bunch of

756
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: these you know, exploration age Western scientists are always trying

757
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: to find because I think they're supposed to be gold

758
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: there or some shit. And one of the guys who's

759
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: who's looking for at the most, does like three trips there,

760
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: and every one of them goes the same way. He

761
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: enters the Amazon with like one hundred men and like

762
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: six of them come out a year and a half later,

763
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: and everyone else has died horribly and I'll like his

764
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: third t been there. They're all starving, they're on the

765
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: edge of death, they're sick, and they finally run into

766
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: a group of natives who are like willing to talk

767
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: with them. And the natives are like, you guys, look

768
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: like shit, what's going on? And they're like this this

769
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: jungle is a green desert. There's no food at all,

770
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: and they like break like this. They've grabbed this plant

771
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: and break it in half and like toss it in

772
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: a pond and a bunch of fish float up to

773
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the top because the plant was full of a nurotoxin

774
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: that they knew. You just dumped this in the water,

775
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: stunts the fish. Then you just grab them. They're like, look,

776
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of food around here. What's wrong with

777
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: you guys? Have you all just been dying and not

778
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: not knowing this? Oh? Yeah, yeah, because yeah, I mean yeah,

779
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: they had spent all of their time writing books about

780
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: skull shape, whereas these people had spent their time figuring

781
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: out how to turn their home into a fucking giant

782
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: grocery store. Um. I don't know, I know what I

783
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: find more impressive, but um, I mean Europeans do other

784
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: stuff too, right, They make they make boats so that

785
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: those are cool. Um. So that's how we get the

786
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: movie master and commanders. So who's to say, right, you know, true,

787
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: who's to say discount that that was a triumph? That

788
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: was a triumph? Um that's occurring around this period of time. Um.

789
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: And also, unfortunately, the scientists on that boat, the doctor

790
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: guy probably had some race science books on that boat

791
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: with him. Like, I mean, I'm afraid it's unavoidable. They

792
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: have all sorts of books you can't so yeah, you

793
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: can't fall to them. Um, I don't know, I've I've

794
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: only read one of the books that that movie is

795
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: based on. Good movie though, So Teetaman is not the

796
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: only guy who's pushing back scientifically on the arguments of

797
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of scientific bigots in his period. Um. Now to

798
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: be noteworthy the guys who are like arguing against some

799
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: of this early race science. Their science is often bad too, right,

800
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: the fact that they are like see properly, that their

801
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: colleagues are making bad arguments doesn't mean their arguments are

802
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: scientifically flawless. A good example of this is the seventh

803
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: President of Princeton, Samuel Smith, who speculated that black people

804
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: were human beings just like white people, and they were

805
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: just black because a large freckle had spread over their

806
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: entire body due to sun exposure. It's close, Okay, it's melanie.

807
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: His heart is in the right place. Yeah, I get

808
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: where he's yeah, yeah, he's not almost there. Yeah, he's

809
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: got pieces of it. So doctor Benjamin Rush meanwhile argued

810
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: that all babies are born white and that black skin

811
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: was the result of mild leprosy. Now this kind of

812
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: shows how sloppy the scientific method is because, like, I

813
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: don't know, you can just look at a baby, Like

814
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: that's pretty easy to disprove. You can just look at

815
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: a baby, but you know whatever, as a general rule,

816
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: the scientists arguing that they were perceived. So basically you

817
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: have kind of two groups here. You have the scientists

818
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: arguing there is a racial hierarchy and these are different subspecies, right,

819
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: and you have the scientists are arguing that like all

820
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: of the differences that we see are the result of

821
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: either nurture or environmental exposure, not immutable characteristics. And the

822
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: ones who are making that argument, even when their science

823
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: is bad, are at least less likely to espouse racism

824
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: to justify entrenched power structures. Now that doesn't mean it

825
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, because a decent chunk of like the people

826
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: arguing for slavery and the eighteen hundreds are being like, oh, eventually,

827
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: will you raise them up to be our equals. It's

828
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: just we have to keep them enslaved until then. So

829
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: that is like, you know, there's a lot of different

830
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: things being said in this period. Yeah, so there's a

831
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff happening in early race science. One

832
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite guys here is Lord Munbado, a Scottish

833
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: philosopher who believed that he's one of these guys who

834
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: it's all about environmental exposure and what like nurture and stuff.

835
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: And his big argument is that like, one day we

836
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: will train chimpanzees to be integrated into society, like we'll

837
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: have chimpanzees in parliaments. Like God, I wish he'd been right, honestly,

838
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: I like where his brain's gone with that. I wish

839
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: he'd been right, Yeah, because I mean, they do a

840
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: better job than those clowns and Congress, that's right, I

841
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: mean I would, I would. I would vote for any

842
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: living chimpanzee over almost any living Congress. Probably don't have

843
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: to ask the CEO of TikTok if their phones connect

844
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: to Wi Fi. No, they're just happy to look at

845
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: the dancing lights, you know exactly, they don't. They don't

846
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: care about Wi Fi. They're they're chimpanzees and they're not cowards,

847
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: and if they really disagree with someone, they will tear

848
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: them limb from Oh man, can you imagine if we

849
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: had like Congress fights like we had in the eighteen hundreds,

850
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: but with a bunch of chimps, would be the number

851
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: one that's all I watch. I would just go into

852
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Congress and like, toss a bunch of bananas in the

853
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: middle of the floor. Let's get them fighting. I feel

854
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: like the champanzees wouldn't go, what are you going to

855
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: do about fin stuff? Yeah? Right? Embarrassing? No, no, it

856
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: is embarrassing. We would have a lot more land devoted

857
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: to banana cultivation. Um. I feel like they don't actually

858
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: eat bananas and I heard that at some point, but

859
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: fuck it. Like, look, whenever we get something like this wrong,

860
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: it gives some beautiful redator a chance to be like, well, actually,

861
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: and God, God bless you. I just want to make

862
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: you people happy. So yeah, you should do all of

863
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: these scientists now though, you know, Sophie Robert, Yes, we're back.

864
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I was waiting for a speaking of bananas

865
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. So there's a lot of scientists in

866
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: this period, the kind of anti race science, guys who

867
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: believe that all of the differences between men and women

868
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: in between different races that they believe existed would be

869
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: reduced by social reform and legislation. And you can see

870
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of evidence of this in the French Revolution, these

871
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: ideas of liberty, egality, and fraternity, the fact that it

872
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: comes to like increased civil rights to Jewish people in

873
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: the French Empire. These are all results of that intellectual tradition.

874
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: But progressive ideals like this always have their limits, and again,

875
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: slave owners would use versions of this argument to justify

876
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: aspects of what they were doing. Once slavery falls in

877
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: the United States, there's kind of a panic among a

878
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: lot of people that race mixing is going to occur

879
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and thus would disastrously water down the potential of the species.

880
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Racial hygiene became a common topic of discussion among medical

881
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: professionals in the late eighteen hundreds, and the two countries

882
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: most associated with this movement are the United States and Germany. Wow,

883
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: that's so shocking. Oh my god. Yeah, and I think, yeah, yeah,

884
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: that's not my America. Guy, My Americas and made up

885
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: of all of the things, yeah, of my morals. So

886
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: my America, you know, doesn't have stockrooms full of skulls

887
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: of people that came from somewhere. Not in my America's

888
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: end of milk and honey. You know, we'll talk. We

889
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: have talked about race science in the United States and

890
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: number of times. But right now we're getting back to Germany.

891
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: So the Kaiser's Germany had started to invest in research

892
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: on racial heredity a few years prior to World War One.

893
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: Actually the year before Joseph Mengela is born, the Reich

894
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: Health Office puts together a file on russ and hygiene,

895
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: which actually sounds more racist than race hygiene. Yeah, it's

896
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: it's much worse than the German Yeah, it's so. It

897
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: included studies on population control and papers on racial differences

898
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: between Germans and Jews. Now, the kaiser Reich very racist.

899
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: This is evidence of that. But when the war comes,

900
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: all of this kind of talk of differences it doesn't

901
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: go away, but it fades a lot because the Germans

902
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: are suddenly like, you know, who dies exactly the same

903
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: in front of a machine gun, Jews and Germans, and

904
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: we need a lot more of both. If we've got

905
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: to get rid of all these allied boets, we'll have

906
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: opposable thumbs and a little index finger. They go pp

907
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: the Jews and the Germans. We could all do it.

908
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: Let's table the racing for a second for a little bit,

909
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: figure out how to you know, take over Europe, I

910
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: mean kind of Famously, Hitler gets awarded his Iron Cross

911
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: in part due to the intervention of his officer, who's

912
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: a Jewish Man. Like this is a the kaiser Reich.

913
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff still exists. It's budding, it's building,

914
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: but it's also not like the same as it's going

915
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: to be. So as a result, it's during the Weimar

916
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: years that things really take a leap forward. In nineteen twenty,

917
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: the Prussian Interior Council creates a Council on Racial Hygiene

918
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: to discuss how to grow the German population and halt

919
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: illegal abortion. While such work always had support from the

920
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: right initially at least, there is significant interest among scientists

921
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: across the ideological spectrum. And to make that point, I'm

922
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: going to quote now from Robert Proctor's book Racial Hygiene Medicine.

923
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: Under the Nazis, many racial hygienists supported a kind of

924
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: state socialism, whereby a strong central government would direct social

925
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: policy towards programs to improve the race. The Society for

926
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: Racial Hygiene allied itself with a number of groups advocating

927
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: social reform. Conversely, many of those today remembered as progressives

928
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: were attracted by the movement to improve the health of

929
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: the race. Alfred Grotjohn, for example, today considered the father

930
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: of German social medicine and one of the leading architects

931
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: of Imar Germany's progressive health reforms, saw racial hygiene as

932
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: a legitimate concern of medicine. He was one of those

933
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: who defended the use of the term eugenics rather than

934
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: racial hygiene, in order to avoid confusion with racist notions

935
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: of the political anthropological variety. According to Grotjhon. Racial hygiene

936
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: would provide long range preventative medicine for the germ plasm

937
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: of humanity that would complement both traditional curative medical care

938
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: and concerns for the human physical and social environment provided

939
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: by public health and social medicine. Racial hygiene, along with

940
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: social hygiene and personal hygiene, was simply one element in

941
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: a larger, more comprehensive program of human healthcare. Grow John's

942
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: views earned him the respect of more devout Rachel hygienasists.

943
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: He was one of the few social hygiensists in the

944
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: Weimar Republic willing to advocate compulsory sterilization. He also advocated

945
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: for increased powers to commit upwards of a million defective

946
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: A socials to psychiatric institutions. After nineteen thirty three, German

947
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: theorists there are Nazi racial theorists were able to turn

948
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: to grow John as an example of a socialist who

949
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: supported strong measures in the field of racial hygiene. So

950
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: this is a thing that doesn't get talked about enough.

951
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: That is the father of the German welfare state. In

952
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, grow John, and at least in

953
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: the healthcare portion of it. He is a social democrat

954
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: and he is in favor of committing a million a

955
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: social people involuntarily to institutions and sterilizing in mass people

956
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: head of views as defective. The same thing as brushing

957
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: your teeth. Yeah, it's the same. It's the same as

958
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: any kind of hygiene. It's like taking a shower, you know, Yeah,

959
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: take a shower, and then you you know, you round

960
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: up people. Yeah, you start putting them in buses, camps, trains,

961
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: and a lot of it's worth we taught when we

962
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: talk about race science because of what happens, and because

963
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: of all of the worst crimes are in fact committed

964
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: by the Nazis when the right is in power, we

965
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: do tend to ignore the fact that eugenics and race

966
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: science in Germany are popular everywhere, including with communists. The

967
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: idea of a planned genetic future is something that German

968
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: communists are going to embrace as well for at least

969
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: a period of time. And it's not just a German

970
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: help themselves. No, well, it's not just the Germans either.

971
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty five, the leadings there's a Soviet leading

972
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: eugenics journal that publishes translations of German articles on racial

973
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: hygiene with positive remarks and partly as a result of this,

974
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: Wimar Germany and the Soviet Union establish a joint Institute

975
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: for Racial Biology in Moscow between nineteen thirty one and

976
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight. There's overlap there with the Nazi years.

977
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: There's a period of time and the point that, yeah,

978
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: there's some sort of racial element for white people where

979
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: they love race science. Yeah, I know how to work

980
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: that into my worldview. And it's interesting. I mean, this

981
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: is part of there's a bigger story here, which is

982
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: like during the thirties, because both are kind of pariah nations,

983
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and Weimar and the Nazi Germany actually

984
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: have a lot going on together. Their militaries trained together,

985
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: they do all sorts of like have all sorts of

986
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is part of what kind of lays

987
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: some of the bones for the Molotov ribbon trop packed.

988
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: But race science is not absent from the Soviet Union

989
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: in this period. Many people know that the Third reichs

990
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: genocidal efforts began with the T four euthanasia program, in

991
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: which people who were physically handicapped or seen as feeble

992
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: minded were put to death in traveling gas vans. Less

993
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: is known that in nineteen twenty eight. It was socialist

994
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: doctor Ranier Fetcher who carried out some of the first

995
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: sterilizations in German history. He is doing eugenic sterilizations on

996
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: his own without any permission. He's like breaking the law

997
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: to do this, and he's like a socialist activist. Now,

998
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: the point here is not that socialists and Nazis had

999
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: the same attitude towards eugenics. It's just that eugenics beliefs

1000
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: were popular even among socialists and communists. Yeah, obviously the

1001
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: Nazis are the ones who use these ideas to massacre

1002
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: twelve million people in the service of race science. I'm

1003
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: bringing this up because you have to note that when

1004
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about the origins of these ideas that are

1005
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: accelerated by the Nazis and adopted by them, they are

1006
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: not controversial among a lot of science scientists, even scientists

1007
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: who find fascism abhorrent. There's a lot of anti fascist

1008
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: scientists who nonetheless believe the Nazis are not entirely wrong

1009
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: about race science. That's the period that we're in. So

1010
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: probably the most significant development in the early history of

1011
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: German race science is the establishment of the kaiser Villehelm

1012
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Institute for Anthropology, Human Genetics and Eugenics Day Kaiser Permanente,

1013
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: Kaiser permanente. Yeah, yeah, that's what Kaiser permanente stands for,

1014
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: the permanent Kaiser. Actually, if they are responsible for your healthcare,

1015
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: you are legally a servant of the Kaiser. That's how

1016
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: it works. That's my insurience. Yeah. The Kaiser, by the way,

1017
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: now is an AI generated creature, because that AI is

1018
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: really able to go to I was going to do

1019
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: a hand I was going to do a hand joke,

1020
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: but you know what, that's not appropriate. Yeah, So that

1021
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: Kaiser Villehelm Institute gets started in nineteen twenty seven, also

1022
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: in Prussia, which is kind of the stronghold of militarist

1023
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: conservatism in Germany. Support for the institute came from the

1024
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: very top of the Weimar State, though, including the president

1025
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: of the State Health Office and its chief medical statistician,

1026
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: Emil Russell, who argued in favor of preventing marriage of

1027
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: the mentally ill to healthy Germans. This did not occur

1028
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Russell noted that England, Sweden, the United States,

1029
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: and Norway all had similar institutes doing similar things. When

1030
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: the Kaiser Villehelm Institute opened its doors. Eugene Fisher was

1031
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: appointed director. He was a nationalist Catholic, but not a

1032
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Nazi early on, and in fact, a lot of his

1033
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: early research is kind of contra to the conclusions the

1034
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: Nazis are making. One of the things he'll argue is

1035
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: that hybridization leads to better health in European races. Like

1036
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: he does a bunch of studies about oh, actually, when

1037
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: you're like when you've got Germans and you know, Slavs

1038
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: and English and we're all breeding, everything turns out better.

1039
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: That's one of the things this guy argues. He's kind

1040
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: of an interesting guy. He One of the things he

1041
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: notes is that like where it has remained the most pure,

1042
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: the Nordic race has brought forth no great cultural achievements,

1043
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: which is very much not a Nazi attitude. Yeah, I

1044
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. And that said, he's going to once

1045
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: the Nazis take power, he's going to stop saying this

1046
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: ship and start pushing hard, hard core Nazi dogma. And

1047
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: he's going to bring in a lot of scientists who

1048
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Speaker 1: are just straight up Nazis. And the most influential of

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Speaker 1: these is a guy named Otmar von Verschure, who is

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Speaker 1: a war veteran and a member of the right wing

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Speaker 1: fry Core paramilitary. He is also a scientist studying genetics

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Speaker 1: and race who is particularly fascinated with twins. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: bom bom bomb. Oh god, yeah no, that's not Look,

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Speaker 1: there's very rarely. Does it end well when people are

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Speaker 1: fascinated with twins? Yeah, one way or the other. A

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01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: lot of fucked up ship comes from that. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: Nazi experiments or being weirdly attracted to those beer commercials

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: exactly good. Yeah, or the double mint ones. So why

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: people want to fuck twins? It's the it's the it's

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Speaker 1: incest is going on. So now I'm not into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm on record. Wow, that's a that's another T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just a picture of your face. I'm not

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: into twins. I'm not into twins, males, mad leam a

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01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: statue of you breaking a packet of doublement gum in half.

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm a big guy. Now, Big reds that's an anti fascist,

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Speaker 1: it really is. Big Red is literally Stalin's gum of choice.

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Now the anarchist gum is, of course, big league chew um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: look it up. Look it up. So after Hitler takes power,

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Speaker 1: Fisher you know, starts going hardcore into the Nazi stuff.

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: He praises the Nazis is the first political movement to

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Speaker 1: recognize that culture is the product of quote the qualities

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Speaker 1: of the race that has given rise to and carry

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Speaker 1: it on that culture. Fisher draws a line between the

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Speaker 1: Marxists and men of natural science and national socialism when

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Speaker 1: he says the Marxist socialist view concerns itself with the

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Speaker 1: single individual. We national Socialists, in contrast, concern ourselves with

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Speaker 1: the family. Now go, there's a there's a Margaret Thatcher

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Speaker 1: quote that all makes me think about, which is, there's

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: no such thing as society. There are men and women,

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: and there are families. But there's probably nothing to that.

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Speaker 1: Probably nothing to that. He's a really relevant Margaret Thatcher

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: quote when they about Nazi stuff. There really is. But

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Speaker 1: that's a subject for another day. Let us return to

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Speaker 1: our buddy, Joe Joe Mingie Pooh, so Joejoe Mengi ming Yeah, yeah,

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: Joe Joe the Mangola. So the Nazis are not in

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: power when he joins Munich University as a student in

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: philosophy and the medical schools, but they he's like doing

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: an anthropology medical kind of thing where he's getting like

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: his PhD and his MD kind of at the same time.

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: It's easier to get both back then. So while the

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: Nazis are not yet in power, race science is humming

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: right along. When Joseph starts school, the Nazis are the

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: second largest party in the reich Stock. He would later

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01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: write about his early impressions of the National Socialist Party.

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: I was not then old enough to vote. My political

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: leanings were then, I think, for reasons of family tradition,

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: national conservative. I had not joined any political organization, though

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01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: indeed I was strongly attracted by the program and the

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Speaker 1: whole organization of the National Socialists. But for the time

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Speaker 1: being I remained an unorganized private person. But in the

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Speaker 1: long run, it was impossible to stand aside in these

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Speaker 1: politically stirring times. Should our fatherland not succumb to the

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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: Marxist Bolshevist attack, This simple political concept finally became the

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01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: decisive factor in my life. So yeah, it all always

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Speaker 1: starts with an obsession with anti communism with these guys

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01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: really does, and of course Communism is Jewish in their eyes.

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Speaker 1: So wow, one thing leads to another. Oh wow, wow,

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: good God. Um, yes, jar jar, some people gonna die. Um,

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01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: good God, good, good, good God. Matt, why pluggables to plug? Oh,

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Speaker 1: you know the same stuff. You know, if you like

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: the Sopranos or the Wire and you want to you know,

1112
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: rewatch it or just listen to guys you know, talk

1113
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: about it, pod yourself a gun. It is the world's

1114
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: only the Wire and uh, you know Sopranos podcast. Um, yeah,

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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:22,479
Speaker 1: so I plug that and um, you know, uh, I'll

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Speaker 1: be all right, this is gonna be a fun one.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited, you know, I'm very excited for what's coming.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna just pet my child for a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I'm gonna pet a child too. I'll

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Speaker 1: go find one. Yeah. I don't know how that wording

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Speaker 1: is really good for you, buddy. No, So if I

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Speaker 1: got a net it's fine. Um all right, Well that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here at at Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: Um until next time, you know, um, there is it

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Speaker 1: next time After that comment, fishing net works just as

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Speaker 1: well on kids. Um. Anyway, repeating it really helps, it

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Speaker 1: always does. God bless you all. Behind the Bastards is

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Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia dot com, or check

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Speaker 1: us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.