1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm editor Kandis Skipson, joined my staff writer Jane McGrath. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Say they're candas Jane. My fiancy Stewart loves to watch 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: war movies and if they're in black and white, even better. 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: He's crazy about them. And some of my most favorite ones. 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know the titles as well as he does, 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: but the ones that are, you know, really seemingly authentic. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: But then Japanese soldiers are speaking in English, you know. 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I love subtitles about as much as 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: the next guy, So it doesn't frustrate me too much 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: that I have to listen to Japanese soldiers speak in English. 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: But I think that for the sake of authenticity, subtitles 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: would have been better. That's true. And actually it's funny 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: if you mentioned movies because the topic we're talking about today, 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: I have a lot of favorite movies that are based 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: around this course situation. Uh, if you've ever seen like 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Father Goose or Heaving Knows. Mr Ellison also old movies. Uh, 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: they're really interesting because they're set in the Pacific on 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: islands when um, they're American troops are on the Pacific 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: and they're fighting Japanese and these very um obscure and 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: remote islands in the Pacific and they have no connection 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to anywhere around them. I can't imagine it would be 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: like being on a totally different universe, yeah, or a 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: plan of existence really, because you're you're in the jungle, 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: so you feel almost like you're reduced to it a 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: different state of human being at that point. And we're 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: living off the land, You're you know, having to flourish 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: for food, you're having to watch out for for all 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: the wild animals. That wouldn't even be like being part 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: of society. Yeah, it's interesting. And what we're talking about 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: is a situation that happened in World War Two. The 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: US was fighting against the Japanese, and as you know, 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the US is very far from Japan and um in 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: order to stage bombings or like have a base for 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: which to for which to fight the Japanese, the Americans 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: needed to get control of the huge number of um 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: of islands in the Pacific, and so they needed to 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: one by one take over these islands. And the Japanese 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: knew that this was what they were doing, and so 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: they fought fiercely to keep these islands and keep the 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: US off them. Specifically, we're talking about places like Guam 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: in Midway and the Philippines, and the Japanese strategy was 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: put as many soldiers on these islands as conceivably possible 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: to keep the Allies off because the problem was that 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: the Japanese couldn't compete with the amount of weaponry that 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: the American forces had. That's right, the American and the 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: Allies in general were advancing much faster, and so UH 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: one of the Japanese UH commanders came up with the idea, well, 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: we have all these old fighter planes that are really 51 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: out of date. We don't really have the resources right 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: now to update them. What if we made them into 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: human bombs. So, in essence, the Kama Kaze pilot was created, 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: and their mission was quite simple. Fly a plane with 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: these balls ums loaded on them into an Allied chip 56 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: and complete a suicide mission, but also take out a 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: vast number of Allies. That's right, and it's hard to understand. 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we do have the modern equivalent today of 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: suicide bombers, but in Japan, UM the leaders who wanted 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: to convince their soldiers of this had a very good 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: tool to convince them to do this. And this was 62 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: this idea of bushito. If I'm pronouncing that correctly, um, 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: and it was a code. It's a pretty interesting uh 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: code that was developed originally in like the Middle Ages 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: and associated with samurai fighters and um or warriors, I 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: should say. And the code is means the way of 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: the warrior and uh it's dressed military skill and but 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: also um, aside from military skill, just like a way 69 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: of life, even modest living, honesty, especially honor itself. Right, 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: and this was incredibly important to creating an atmosphere of 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: peace throughout Japan. But then by around the eighteenth century, 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: Japan wise and askince a peaceful country and the samur 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot more to do, and so 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: the code still very much existed in people's minds as 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: a legacy of Japan, but it wasn't really being put 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: to use. And so when the idea came up that 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: a kama Kaze pilot could you know, fulfill this this 78 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: code and and have bushido and this honor bestowed upon 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: him for his country, people jumped at the chance. That's right, 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: and a special part of this was to express loyalty 81 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: and just like unflinching sacrifice. And this was a key 82 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: point here because in death basically you get honor and 83 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: in that in that culture, death can actually make up 84 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: for for disgrace in life, right, And I think if 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: you look at the stats, only about five percent of 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: of these soldiers just surrendered to online forces during the war. 87 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: That's how incredibly important honor is, That's right. And like 88 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: like we said, movies, like I've seen plenty of POW 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: movies full of Americans in British and they all they 90 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: were people who surrendered to the Access forces. But the 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: Japanese were not like that. You know, we didn't have 92 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: camps and camps of PWU Japanese because they would rather 93 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: die than surrender exactly. And I think that as we'll 94 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: see when we talk about some of these Kama Kaze 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: pilots in just a minute, we'll see that some of 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: them would have favored death over the disgrace and shame 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: of living and knowing that they let their country down. 98 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: So we know that they started using these Kama kaze pilots, 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: and we know that the Pacific Islands were incredibly important strategically. 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: And here's where the story gets really interesting. So all 101 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: of these different Japanese soldiers who are staged in these 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: Pacific islands, they're upholding the same code that the Kazi 103 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: pilots with this coat of mashito and an honor. So 104 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: they go into the very dense Pacific jungles and they 105 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: stay there and they wait and when a battle comes, 106 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: they fight it. When a skirmish breaks up, they participate. 107 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: But otherwise they're on their own, living in the jungle, 108 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: that's right. And a lot of them were advised to 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, hold out basically and um and stay alive 110 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: until reinform ssmans come. And that's where we get the 111 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: name for these people. They were called holdouts for stragglers. 112 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: And they were called stragglers because when the war ended 113 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: in Japan surrendered, they didn't get the memo, that's right. 114 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: And um, when the Allies took over an island, the 115 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: Japanese knew that the US was known for for just 116 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: scouring the island and taking out the Japanese, whether you know, 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: killing them or or just capturing them, which of course 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: would be a disgrace to them. Um. And so they 119 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: were very skeptical when they were told to come out, 120 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: even if when they were told the war was over, 121 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: the Allies were telling the truth. In Japanese were understandably skeptical, 122 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: right precisely, And so many of them continued to stay. 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: And they're in Pacific island strongholds, and they would survive 124 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: off the land. There there was one soldier who wasn't 125 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: an island near Russia, and he stayed there until nineteen 126 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: And there was another group that actually included a woman, 127 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: that made their own little society. They made their own clothes, 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: they hunted down food, they forged, they even made wine 129 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: out of distilled coconut jeers. Well, if you can imagine 130 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: that one said story that came out of this was 131 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: um this group but in seclusion. I think this is 132 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: a separate group from the one you just mentioned. But 133 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: um one straggler came out and emerged only because his 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: group had turned to cannibalism. And so you can see 135 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: how incredibly desperate and dire these situations were, again all 136 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: for honor and upholding the chido. And I think that 137 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: without argument, the two most famous stragglers are a Noda 138 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: and Yukoi, and they didn't come out until nineteen seventy 139 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: four in nineteen seventy two, respectively. That meant twenty eight 140 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: and thirty years holding out, either thinking the war was 141 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: not over or whatever, just you know, stuck in their own, 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: their own world. And I wonder if they last concept 143 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: of time. I mean, if you were in a jungle 144 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: with no other sense of communicating with people, I mean, yeah, 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: at first you would you would count the sun rises 146 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: in the sunsets, and you would know how many days 147 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: had passed. But after that many years, I mean, I wonder, 148 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: and not only that, to be on the defense of 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: the entire time, to still be and a warlike mindset, 150 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: knowing that any moment the enemy could spring upon you. 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: And not just that, but you know, on the other side, 152 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: you're looking nearver your shoulder for a wild animal just 153 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: out to get you too. And so at this point 154 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: there were lots of missions conducted to get the holdouts 155 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: out of the jungle, that's right. And when Yokai he 156 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: was the first one who really came out um out 157 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: of these two men. Uh, he was on Guam, the 158 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: island of Guam, and for twenty years. And when he 159 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: did come out, it was revealed that he did actually 160 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: know the war was over, but because of the Japanese 161 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: sense of pride and and the idea of shame, he 162 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: was pretty ashamed to go home alive when he when 163 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: he went over there to fight, and so many of 164 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: his comrades died exactly. And I believe a direct quote 165 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: from him was, I am ashamed I have returned alive, 166 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: that's right, And he said um, like as a soldier, 167 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: I was taught to prefer death to disgrace of getting 168 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: captured alive. Right. And so we're talking about people who 169 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: had been informed every way, you know, their troops, Our 170 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: troops knew how. We're talking about notes being dropped from 171 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: helicopters into the jungle, messages being blared through loud spakers, 172 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, conal the war is over. And a Noda 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: who held out into nineteen seventy four, he came back 174 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: as a national hero. Yeah, since his is a really 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: interesting story. I think he was on the island of 176 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: lou bang and Um, which is only seventies four square 177 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: miles um, and he was there for thirty years, like 178 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: we said, um, And he was one of those ordered 179 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: to hold there until reinforcements arrived, and he also believed 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: that the war was still going on. Like you said, 181 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: even despite these leaflets, he thought they were tricks, they 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: were propaganda to get him to come out, um, and 183 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: it wasn't. And so he didn't know that the war 184 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: was over, and he believed the Allies would brutally kill him, 185 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: um if he did so, he didn't want to take 186 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: his chances. And he actually he wasn't the only one 187 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: on the island for much of that time who like him. 188 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: He was a part of a four man band of 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: stragglers as well. And um, they eventually broke up, but uh, 190 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: by nineteen fifty, the first member gave himself up. And 191 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: when he did find out, hey, the war is over, 192 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: he tried to to warn the other three guys. They 193 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: didn't believe him. Um, even after the leafless were sent 194 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they were sending broadcasts their speakers 195 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: into the jungle, he still don't believe them. Um. The 196 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: three men were convinced it was a lot basically, And 197 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: so they were still fighting. And I found that really 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: interesting that they still had ammer amma on them. They 199 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: were being grill of fighters basically, and they were literally 200 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: continuing the war. And so when he came home. His 201 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: general attitude upon finding out that not only had Japan 202 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: surrendered in the war, but even the section on the 203 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 1: military to which he belonged, that section have been disbanded. 204 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean he had he was a decorated hero, but 205 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: he belonged to no military. And I think his attitude 206 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: was one of, well, what's worth living before? You know? 207 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: This concept that I've spent the last however many years 208 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: of my life upholding it no longer exists in essence, 209 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: that's true, and it's interesting like their stories, like when 210 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: he comes back, it was a huge story, obviously, and 211 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: when he met his parents, it was interesting to me 212 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: that his parents were still alive, and I thought to myself, 213 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: a wide, didn't they go to the island if they 214 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: knew who was there? And I looked into it. It's 215 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: because he was actually officially declared dead in nineteen fifty nine. 216 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: They really thought he was dead, and his parents did 217 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: actually go there for a time, um and send these leaflets. 218 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: But because of minor typos Onnata thought, oh, it's a 219 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: it's a clue. They're they're being forced to do this, 220 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: and they put in these typos to warn me not 221 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: to actually believe it, and UM also and so they 222 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: thought he was dead by fifty nine, but then by 223 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: seventy two, UM evidence showed that he was alive and 224 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: one other of his bandmates were alive as well. UM 225 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: and he he was actually killed the other the other 226 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: person in his group where it was killed in the 227 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: skirmish with the police because he was still fighting the war. UM. 228 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: And so search parties went out for Anata and they 229 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: actually left gifts for him at at one point and 230 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: not actually left the thank you note for the gifts, 231 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: and so they knew for sure he's alive, you know, yeah, 232 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: UM and uh. So finally in nineteen seventy four, it 233 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: was a student by the name of Suzuki who um 234 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: who saw it. Nada out to convince him to come 235 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: out of hiding, and so we found him. Eventually did 236 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: find him, and still Nonada was like, no, I'm not coming, 237 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: I'm saying where I am, and I am going to 238 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: continue to until someone, uh Mike's commanding officer ors me 239 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: not to. So Sinceuki did just that, he found uh 240 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: not his old commanding officer. I think his name is 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: ton of Gucci. He was like a bookkeeper at the time. 242 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: I think, and so he convinced him to go over 243 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: to Anada to say and deliver a formal address saying 244 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: lay down your arms blah blah blah, and Donata was 245 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: still reluctant, but he finally did go back to Japan. 246 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: It sounds like a work of fiction. I know. I 247 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: think this would make a better movie than The Castaway. Well, 248 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get on that right now. And I think 249 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Jane's going to direct, because she's obviously very well would Yeah, 250 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: so she's quite a movie buff. 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