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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackout Tips podcast.

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Speaker 2: have your presence felt through the internet. All right, now,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about our guest. Today's guest. We met him

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Speaker 2: we also became aware of him, particularly because it was

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Speaker 2: a very big deal we won an award on our show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was like I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, somebody recognizes what we doing, Like we can

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Speaker 2: finally say award winning podcast. And it's literally whenever you

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Speaker 2: got se award winning in any.

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Speaker 3: Of our bios or whatever that started here.

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Speaker 2: We've been up for awards before, but we never won

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Speaker 2: an award. So he's a journalist, co founder of Nerve

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Speaker 2: Media Productions, Editor of The Queen City Nerve.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Picken. What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Y'all? I've been a long time fan.

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Speaker 1: So this is like I'm not even blowing smoke when

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Speaker 1: I said, this is like a bucket list item for me, Like,

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that I get to get to

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Speaker 1: be on here. It was the honor to bring you

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Speaker 1: guys on the podcast for the penultimate episode ninety nine

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Speaker 2: It's so cool because one we did our interview with

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Speaker 3: When we like it, it.

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Speaker 2: Really didn't mean something because you know, like we do

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Speaker 2: support our local papers and all that stuff too. You know,

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Speaker 2: we think journalism is important and you know, facts really

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Speaker 3: Going to stout.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, who, what we wear? Why, and how if

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Speaker 5: you can't answer them questions, what is we talking about?

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Speaker 2: So like I you know, and then also you know

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of Bodyworks? Yes, it's like Discovery places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then my my, I got a whooping for that.

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Speaker 2: But what was the point I'm making is it is

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Speaker 2: just so interesting that was able to happen. What year

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Speaker 1: It's probably around two thousand and six or seven.

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Speaker 2: Wow, basically twenty years. You've been on this career path now.

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Speaker 1: of Charlotte parties back then. Okay, and uh yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was just he basically sat the whole the whole staff

443
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Speaker 1: down in the conference room and told us it was over.

444
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Speaker 1: There was not going to be any Separence page. There was.

445
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Speaker 1: It was just we literally had thirty minutes to clear

446
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Speaker 1: the entire office out, damn. And so we went to

447
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: Salsice tavern that day and got pretty damn drunk, and

448
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: we got drunk on and gofund me too, because it

449
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: went national, this news of like that we were a

450
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Speaker 1: team of journalists that had just been laid off with

451
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Speaker 1: no warning and no severance, and we raised like, I

452
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Speaker 1: don't know, it wasn't it was like three thousand dollars

453
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Speaker 1: something like that, and we split it up between us

454
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Speaker 1: just to you know, try to get us. We didn't

455
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Speaker 1: even know we were going to be job searching when

456
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Speaker 1: we woke up that day. But what also came out

457
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Speaker 1: of that job or that day and the new sort

458
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Speaker 1: of going viral was that already on that very first day,

459
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Speaker 1: there were some investors who reached out to us and

460
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Speaker 1: we're like, you are going to there's going to be

461
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Speaker 1: a vacuum now for this sort of content in Charlotte,

462
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Speaker 1: the fastest growing city in the southeast. Someone's going to

463
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Speaker 1: need to fill that hole. Would you guys like to

464
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Speaker 1: like independently own something that does that? And within like

465
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Speaker 1: my they they talked to me and my who ended

466
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Speaker 1: up being my business partner, Justin who was just a

467
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Speaker 1: sales guy there at Creative Loafing when this all went down,

468
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Speaker 1: and within about twenty four to forty eight hours, we

469
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Speaker 1: made a decision like we're going to do this, and

470
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Speaker 1: we announced it like less than a week later just

471
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Speaker 1: to try to get in front of things. Somebody was

472
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Speaker 1: going to fill that hole, Like we said, wow, And

473
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Speaker 1: then we said we're going to come out December seventh,

474
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Speaker 1: because that was the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of

475
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Speaker 1: Charlotte in twenty eighteen of like Charlotte's founding, and we

476
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Speaker 1: just we didn't know what we were doing. Like we

477
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Speaker 1: were like, that's in what forty days or something, and

478
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Speaker 1: we were just like holy shit. So then we just

479
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Speaker 1: we literally just spent not only the forty days leading

480
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Speaker 1: up to that, but the months after when we were

481
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Speaker 1: actually in action, like just just in the office for

482
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Speaker 1: like fifteen hour days regularly me and justin in a

483
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Speaker 1: lot of our team members just like there all the time,

484
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Speaker 1: just putting it together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You said there was a vacuum, So was there a

487
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Speaker 2: competition to feel the vacuum or was it like once

488
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Speaker 2: people are you guys were about to do something, they

489
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Speaker 2: were like, okay, these are the guys us.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had some meetings with folks who were

491
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Speaker 1: like local journalists who were looking to create platforms in

492
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Speaker 1: the wake of Creative Loafing shutting down. A lot of

493
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Speaker 1: them ended in the sense of like them being like, oh,

494
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Speaker 1: you guys are like trying to do this with your lives.

495
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Speaker 1: We were going to try to do it as a

496
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Speaker 1: nighttime thing and start a little blog. So a lot

497
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Speaker 1: of those sort of ended with like the agreement of Okay,

498
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Speaker 1: we're going to be contributors to the Queen City nerve.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that I'm trying to remember if

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Speaker 1: any of those actually did launch as like blogs or

501
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Speaker 1: websites or whatever. But for the most part, I mean,

502
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Speaker 1: everyone who wanted to sort of support our vision was

503
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Speaker 1: willing to do so sort of under us as contributors

504
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Speaker 1: and just make sure that there was some sort of

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Speaker 1: cultural and independent media presidence here in Charlotte.

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Speaker 6: As you look out at the landscape now compared to

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Speaker 6: what it used to be, and you kind of was

508
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Speaker 6: telling us about this process, what about it? Do you

509
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Speaker 6: see the losing the art of writing because you have

510
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Speaker 6: so many people, they use AI, they use other methods.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people aren't acows in front of using

512
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Speaker 6: their own brain in their own creativity kind of which

513
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Speaker 6: right kind of forces you to tap into.

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Speaker 5: So what like, what is the difference that you've been seeing?

515
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Speaker 6: Like if somebody says I want to write for you,

516
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Speaker 6: and you kind of challenge them to actually write right

517
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Speaker 6: and not kind of depend on that Like what is

518
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Speaker 6: that challenge?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we are in that in that age

520
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Speaker 1: where like even before AI, uh, there is like one

521
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Speaker 1: of our biggest I call it Competitor. It's a very

522
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: different sort of vibe than us. But is Charlotte Agenda

523
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Speaker 1: now called Axios Charlotte where once they became Axios, they

524
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Speaker 1: changed their entire style to the Axios National style, which

525
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Speaker 1: is basically like bulletproof I mean bullet pointed articles where

526
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Speaker 1: everything is sort of like really shut cut down to

527
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Speaker 1: an outline, and that's just very different from what we do.

528
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Speaker 1: We are. We are a long form journalism outlet to

529
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Speaker 1: where our specialty and especially our print issues are a

530
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: thousand to two thousand word articles for features on all

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Speaker 1: sorts of different you know, cultural, food news, what have

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Speaker 1: you so? Now, like you said with AI, it's more

533
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Speaker 1: of a it's more of a what's the call the word,

534
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Speaker 1: like a stealthy threat to where it's like we have

535
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Speaker 1: to pick that out if we see it. Most of

536
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Speaker 1: the people that are contributing with us right now or

537
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Speaker 1: like have been longtime contributors. I don't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of new people. There have been a few new people

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Speaker 1: where I've I've sort of gotten a gist of something

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Speaker 1: and threw it into the was this written by Ai

541
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Speaker 1: filter and it wasn't. I've never actually had something where

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Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, this is definitely written by Ai.

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Speaker 1: But like I can just tell, for I've been editing

544
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Speaker 1: for a very long time, and I can just sort

545
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Speaker 1: of tell when different people have different voices. Like we

546
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Speaker 1: have a cover story coming out in our paper tomorrow

547
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Speaker 1: about a rapper named Tracy and heard album do or

548
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: Mood I almost said doom. And I can I know

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Speaker 1: Tyler Bunsey, he teach he teaches hip hop history at

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Speaker 1: John C. Smith. Like he has a voice, he knows

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. So if I'm editing him, I can tell, oh,

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Speaker 1: Tyler wrote this, even if I didn't know who sent

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Speaker 1: it to me. And there are a lot of longtime

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Speaker 1: contributors where that's sort of that that's evident. But as

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Speaker 1: far as new contributors, I'm always I'm always trying to

556
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Speaker 1: get people to to try to pitch because it's sort

557
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Speaker 1: of something that I pride myself on as working with

558
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Speaker 1: up and coming writers. I want folks who have never

559
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Speaker 1: written professionally to go ahead and try to write with us,

560
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Speaker 1: because when it comes to journalism especially and everything, but

561
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: journalism especially, the representation matters. Voices matter, and I just

562
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Speaker 1: want the more voices the better. So I'm always sort

563
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Speaker 1: of thinking about that now within the last year when

564
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Speaker 1: when more large language large language models have come out.

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Speaker 1: But it's not something I've actually had a huge experience in, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: suspect suspecting that people are using it in our content yet.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: AI AI is interesting too because AI has a voice

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Speaker 2: of a sort that don't read it. You're like, I

570
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: don't think the person wrote this. You know, like sometimes

571
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Speaker 2: you see it in like a celebrity statement or something.

572
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Speaker 5: You're like, hm, made in a statement.

573
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Speaker 6: Sometimes you're like these sentences just don't make sense together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then sometimes people get busted because like they

575
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Speaker 2: forget to clean up the AI parts or like it's

576
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Speaker 2: using those dashes or whatever. It's like, oh, that's not

577
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: people don't use dashes that much or whatever.

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00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: So student local politicians use it for their statements. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 1: I called someone out on Twitter. It was like Cambaris

580
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Speaker 1: or Gaston County somebody. I forget who it was now

581
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Speaker 1: because it was like a year ago who made an

582
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Speaker 1: obituary and they didn't take out they didn't make an

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Speaker 1: obituary for a fellow town council member or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't take out like the bold emphasis on the

585
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Speaker 1: stuff they had asked them to emphasize, and they didn't

586
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Speaker 1: take out like the bullet points and stuff. I was like,

587
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta take out.

588
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
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Speaker 1: I've seen other local politicians do it too, where it's

590
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Speaker 1: not so it's not so evident, but it's like they

591
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Speaker 1: use some of that. Like you said, AI has a

592
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Speaker 1: voice where it's like it's not just this, but it's

593
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Speaker 1: this and this, right. I see some local politicians say

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Speaker 1: that and like they're social media posts.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you didn't write that, yeah, exactly, Like that's

596
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Speaker 2: that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: You're like, first of all.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm just asking you a question now,

599
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to compliment. Yeah, it is interesting watching

600
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Speaker 2: that stuff. And then with AI two, I think the

601
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Speaker 2: very real threat of it is that I believe a

602
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Speaker 2: lot of these companies are trying to pass it off

603
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Speaker 2: and then people keep catching it. But the fact that

604
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Speaker 2: we're catching it to me is like the goal ultimately

605
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: is for them to give us something that we won't catch.

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Speaker 2: We we'll just be like oh yeah. And I was

607
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Speaker 2: listening to a podcast I forget the exact one, but

608
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Speaker 2: they were talking about how a lot of a lot

609
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Speaker 2: of Internet like publications were even for sports, starting to

610
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Speaker 2: use artificial intelligence to do things like summarized games that

611
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Speaker 2: no one attended, like that the actual no human being attended,

612
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Speaker 2: but that the artificial intelligence could look at like the

613
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Speaker 2: box score or the final score and be like this

614
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Speaker 2: school played this school, and they rallied in the third

615
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Speaker 2: quarter to come back from.

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Speaker 5: This most statistics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course it's not giving you the actual

618
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Speaker 2: feeling of like if you were at the game, right,

619
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Speaker 2: you know, the things that we kind of appreciate. But

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Speaker 2: I think in sports and in life like after like

621
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Speaker 2: this moneyball culture kind of thing, a lot of people

622
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Speaker 2: think they don't need the humanity and stuff anymore. They like,

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Speaker 2: I have the number that was the end of the game,

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Speaker 2: that's it. I know this guy had this many stats,

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Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to I was talking to a

626
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Speaker 2: friend who, uh, well, I was talking TOI Bomani Jones

627
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Speaker 2: who's also like, who's a super duper sports analyst guy.

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Speaker 2: And me and Karen we go to Hornets games in

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Speaker 2: person all the time.

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Speaker 3: We're season ticket.

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Speaker 2: Holders now, and when we're at the game, like you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes I'll talk to Bo about we'll just talk about

633
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Speaker 2: the NBA or something on the phone, and I'm like, dude,

634
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Speaker 2: I saw a joker and he literally in the fourth quarter,

635
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: every time he touched the ball, something perfect happened, like

636
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Speaker 2: it was just like we were trying to come back,

637
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Speaker 2: and he was just like, I'm gonna be perfect for

638
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: five six minutes of my life straight, and eventually you

639
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: will give up because you're You're the other people out

640
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: here with me are just human beings. And I told

641
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I couldn't describe it. I just started

642
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: laughing maniacally, like.

643
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Speaker 3: I was watching you do this shit. I just like,

644
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Speaker 3: there's no fucking words for this.

645
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that feeling of awe can't be captured by,

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Speaker 2: you know, anything artificial, and so getting that out of

647
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Speaker 2: a person as an editor, as a contributor, I think

648
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Speaker 2: that's what can't be duplicated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could you imagine trying to have an AI describe

650
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Speaker 1: what happened in that Duke. I don't know if you

651
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Speaker 1: guys are college basketball. Yeah, I'm a Yukon guy. I was.

652
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: I was born right next to the Yukon's campus, so

653
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Speaker 1: I've been a diehard Ukon family my whole life since

654
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Speaker 1: the days Rebecca Lobo and Ray Allen were playing when

655
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Speaker 1: I actually lived there. But what happened on Sunday night, Like,

656
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Speaker 1: could you imagine? AI could never describe what never well

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Speaker 1: that was at the end of that game.

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Speaker 6: And it wouldn't make it because it's looking at stats

659
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: and statistic and all that stuff, but like, oh what

660
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 6: turno was? Like No, no, that that's not the same

661
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 6: as a quote unquote simple turno.

662
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: Right, like a person describing that is like, man, it

663
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: got tight. The team was starting to dougal start, and

664
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: you could tell in the huddle it was a little different,

665
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: Like those are just there's no like looking at the

666
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: numbers and being like they came from sixteen points. Now

667
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: he hit a shot from four to three feet away,

668
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: Like it's just not the same.

669
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: But that's the thing that they're using AI for high

670
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: school sports now, so like obviously someone can they will

671
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: have someone for a college basketball game. They'll they'll do

672
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: the AI and then somebody will right to lead because

673
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: they did watch it because it's on TV, yes, but

674
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: was high school sports. There's literally no one there. They're

675
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: just feeding in the stuff. Yeah, no context for it.

676
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: So there's really nothing that's going to be able to

677
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: fill in that hole of humanity.

678
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: And these papers as they're getting like gobbled up or whatever,

679
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: cutting jobs and stuff. Some of the people at the

680
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 2: top who don't respect or even understand with the purpose

681
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: and the intention of local coverage and how important it

682
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: is to have your local people there.

683
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: They're just thinking to themselves, I can.

684
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: Still have the article about Olympic versus Harding High School.

685
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: They're not thinking like I need to send it person

686
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: out there. They I want them to tell me the vibes.

687
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: I need to know what was the food, like, how

688
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: was you know, how did the families act?

689
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: Like who's the next up and coming start?

690
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 6: Because that's the thing for stuff like that, particularly that

691
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 6: high school stuff. You actually need somebody there because it

692
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 6: might be somebody that's balling that just balls out. But

693
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 6: if you aren't reading stats and statistics, you're not seeing

694
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 6: a person dominate.

695
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 5: You're not seeing like.

696
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: Or Honestly, I think it's more apt to when the

697
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: numbers don't justify things right, Like so like there's times

698
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: I've watched people play and I'm like, that guy's going

699
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: to the NBA or the NFL. Yeah, you could just

700
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: like numbers wise, he rushed ten times for fifty yards

701
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, I don't know how to tell

702
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: you all this, but the way his fifty yards was

703
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: was completely different than everybody else fifty yards. If he

704
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: wanted to get a hundred, he would have got a hundred.

705
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: It was just that type of night. There's there's all

706
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: kinds of ways a computer can't like, a program can't

707
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: fake that.

708
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: That's a perfect example because I'm just gonna keep talking

709
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: about ukon just I'm on cloud nine, still haven't come

710
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: down yet.

711
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't blame you, bro, I'm on cloud nine. I'm

712
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: on cloud nine with you. I was able to text

713
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 2: my dad. He's a Duke fan. He started a group

714
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: chat when Carolina lost, and then when we was lighting

715
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: his ass up this weekend, he was like, can you

716
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: all take some people out of the group chat. I

717
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: was like, no, everybody need to see this ass whooping.

718
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: The way that you had and.

719
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: That's a perfect example because Brayla Mullins that was his

720
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: first three of the games. So like it could easily

721
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: if no one was there to see it on TV.

722
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: He's a big three point shooter. It could have said,

723
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, he only made one right, Yes, exactly.

724
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: But it's the one that matters. We were at the

725
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: Hornys game, drink oud.

726
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 6: We was at the Horness game, so me and Roger

727
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 6: had went up to go to the concession stand and

728
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, right in front of the place,

729
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 6: Oh my.

730
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 5: God, everybody just stopped and I was like, what are

731
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 5: they watching? And I turned around and said, oh, they're

732
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 5: watching it.

733
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: It was right.

734
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: It was the Duke lost exactly at halftime of the

735
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: Hornets game, so like right after the halftime show and

736
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 2: you get like five minutes to go, like walk around

737
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: your bathroom. That was exactly when they were starting to lose.

738
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: Like when it got tight, everyone had stopped what they

739
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: were doing, like we like you could not move through there.

740
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Every TV that had that game on, people were just

741
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: like seventy people huddled and when they lost, you it

742
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: echoed through it like this was happening not in the arena,

743
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: but on that part walked through everybody's like and then

744
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: later they showed it on the jumbo Tron in the

745
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: third quarter.

746
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: That's the loudest chair of the game.

747
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: Was not for any play that happened on the game,

748
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: but it was for Duke losing. Uh maybe that's why

749
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: con had a bad shoot night, but it was for

750
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Duke losing that everyone was so excited. And that was

751
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: one thing that did warm my heart because Duke losing

752
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: brings us all together.

753
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: You know, like that's one thing that we have not forgotten.

754
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 6: You know.

755
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: My favorite thing, well, one of my favorite things I

756
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: worked for on Game Theory Withmightiy Jones is definitely the

757
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: Duke Museum exhibit joke, like the twenty minute thing we did.

758
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: I love it. It's my favorite.

759
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: I wrote the I got to write a lot of

760
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: the rundown stuff, like all the essay and all that

761
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: it was.

762
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: It was amazing.

763
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: And the big conceited at piece is like, man, there

764
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 2: was a time when Duke really stood for some shit

765
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: where everyone kind of you like you hated it, or

766
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: you or you were a Duke guy.

767
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: There was no in between.

768
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like people that was like agnostic or

769
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: just on the sideline, it was like, no fuck Duke.

770
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 6: Obviously in the state of North Carolina because somebody wrote

771
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 6: in go, but y'all didn't go, you know, the North

772
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 6: Carolina blah blah blah blah. But the thing is, in

773
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 6: the state of North Carolina, Duke and Carolina like the

774
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 6: largest university. So a lot of times it don't matter

775
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 6: what school you personally went to. If you were into

776
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 6: college basketball, people almost make you make a choice. It's

777
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 6: Duke of Carolina, ya Wake Forest and most people, you know,

778
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 6: we kind of they don't pay attention.

779
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: In the last ten years or so, maybe even longer now,

780
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: we kind of had lost some of that because a

781
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: big part of that was just like racial undercurrent of

782
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: like Duke is always getting praised for having the right

783
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: kind of players, and they just happen, Yeah, exactly.

784
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: They always have in the ground. Yeah, they always have

785
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: annoying white boy.

786
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: They always have a cold ass white boy too that

787
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: they would eat you up.

788
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: Give you this business.

789
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: That's the cold ass white boy is understated and in

790
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: the Duke narrative because we always think of the jerks

791
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: and the like I hate Greg Polus, I hate you know,

792
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: but they would always keep the motherfucker too, and like, man,

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: but I hate him too, but damn he gonna give

794
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 2: us that work.

795
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: It's like one or two of them in my opinion,

796
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: Like and I joke about fundamentals, but you need fundamentals,

797
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 6: you know. If you leave him open for that, it's

798
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 6: bank no matter what, because because he because that's his shot.

799
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to keep one.

800
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. Our our very first championship of

801
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: all time was nineteen ninety nine and it was because

802
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Treasure Langdon tripped on the very last play when we

803
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: had Yes and man, Trasy Langdon was a big dork himself.

804
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: He wasn't a white dude, but he was Yes, Like,

805
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: oh that was the I mean technically, you know, up until,

806
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: like I said, last ten years, they only had one

807
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: cool black dude that ever played there, Grand Hill, Grandill,

808
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: Like all the rest of them was lit there people

809
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: we thought was dorks or just all right, Like there

810
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: was nobody that we was like, yo, okay, you got

811
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: I wish Grant hit Like why didn't he just go

812
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: to Carolina? Everyone knows he's a Carolina guy. Like that

813
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: was the only one. But like, but but so in

814
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years though, it's kind of changed, you know,

815
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: recruiting landscape has changed. Coach K relaxed his whole like

816
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: you can't have you know, hair over inch or whatever,

817
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: like you relax. He wants you know that he's he

818
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: started going to the ones and done, like let's get

819
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: these guys, like I'm not gonna go get a guy

820
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: who will be here for four years, but we want

821
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: win ship. So he so he changed everything, and I

822
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: was starting to worry, you know.

823
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: I was like, man, people not.

824
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like is this gonna make it hard for

825
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: me as a duke hater to relate to other people?

826
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Like nah, man, fuck these guys, you know what I mean?

827
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: Like and and it was starting to go that way,

828
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: and I believe I remember telling Bow like a few

829
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: years ago. I was like, man, I think it's kind

830
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: of over. I think after Hubert Davis like killed Coach

831
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: K's career in front of everybody, that was the peak.

832
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: I don't even feel anything when we play care when

833
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: we play Duke and we were.

834
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: In lost with Hubert Davis, I wouldn't. I ain't, I

835
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: wasn't hurt.

836
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: I was like it used to fucked up Coach K's

837
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: whole exit strategy. I like, nothing's ever gonna make me

838
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: mad again about the Tario's.

839
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: But then when we were.

840
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: In that arena and Duke loss and you saw, and

841
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: this is important, we were playing the Celtics. Celtics fans

842
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: they lit like many of them live in Charlotte. And

843
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: so when you have big franchises like the Celtics, the

844
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: he uh, the Knicks, their fans buy tickets and show

845
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: up to those games. So when I'm telling y'all, it

846
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: was like fifty to fifty Celtics Hornets fans in there,

847
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: everybody for like a solid minute was like, man, fuck

848
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: our teams not playing like being against each other, we

849
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: all against dude. That that was beautiful And there's no

850
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: way an AI can report on that.

851
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: What's the what was.

852
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: Great way to circle? I appreciate that I read a quote.

853
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin your transition.

854
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got it.

855
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: But I read a quote that and I don't know

856
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: if it's real. I hate to just throw down Twitter

857
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: and believe everything, but I'm hoping to believe that it's

858
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: true that there was a quote from coach k that

859
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: he said he couldn't sleep all night on Sunday because

860
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: of the loss, and I'm like, if we're still fixing

861
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: him off, I'm happy.

862
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: I'm hilarious.

863
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: Dog.

864
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: I saw him getting interviewed on something, some sports show

865
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: and they were asking him about it was after the loss,

866
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: and he slipped up and said, we referring to Duke

867
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: and I said.

868
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, still.

869
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: You're not the coach. No more coach, k you not

870
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: the coach. You just you got a past of the time.

871
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 5: Baby.

872
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: You was on that talking like you.

873
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 5: Was the coach that young bud do his thing.

874
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do.

875
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I did love that moment. What was it

876
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: like going from intern to boss? Like that's a different,

877
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, type of vibe at work, Like now you

878
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: the man.

879
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of happened, kind of happened quick, just because

880
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: I went after I was an intern there and then

881
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: I was freelanced for a few years and I was

882
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: still cleaning carpets. My first full time writing gig was

883
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: at Union County Weekly. So we were down there in

884
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: these tiny little towns, the six western towns of Union, Waxaw, Weddington,

885
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: Indian Trail, mar Yeah, Marvin. So like every single night

886
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I was driving from Noto where I lived to down

887
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: seventy four to a different city council meeting. It was hell,

888
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: but I kind of quickly worked my way up there

889
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: and became an editor of Union County Weekly. And that's

890
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: a smaller paper obviously. I mean it's really not that

891
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: much smaller than Creative Loafing. But it was just sort

892
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: of small town politics. You're listening to people at these

893
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: city council meetings like scream over where the speed bump

894
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: is going to go? Like it was really small town

895
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: sort of stuff where it's it's great way to cut

896
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: your teeth as a journalist, but it would get really

897
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: mundane sometimes. And then Kim, who was my editor back

898
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: when I was the intern, like I said, she called

899
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: me one time. I was like, I'm moving to Georgia.

900
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: You're one of the only people that I would endorse

901
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: taking my spot here, would you take it? And I

902
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: had been sitting through those meetings for like a full

903
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: year and a half at Union County, so I was like, yes,

904
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: tell me when I'm ready to Charlotte reporting. But I

905
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: still wasn't like I didn't come on as an editor.

906
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: I was just a news reporter. And then I was

907
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: just in charge of the news section. And then I

908
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: actually became editor of Creative Loafing, like editor in chief,

909
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: only like literally thirty days forty days before he shut

910
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: it down.

911
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: Damn.

912
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I was. I don't think I was

913
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: the cause of it. I think he was already in

914
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: the books. But that ucked.

915
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: Just just day one.

916
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: He reads a paper like this, ain't go work, nah, nah,

917
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: go ahead and start start chapter eleven.

918
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure.

919
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: Start phoning up.

920
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that was never my goal. I always

921
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: wanted to just be a reporter. I actually got into

922
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: reporting because how much I hate group projects. You can

923
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: just do your own thing. You go, right, you got

924
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: to pike feedback and take edits and whatnot, but you

925
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: don't have to like work in a group. And I

926
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: hate working in a group. But you know, over the years, man,

927
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: you're right, it is a very different job to be

928
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: an editor than it is to be a reporter. I

929
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: still do a lot of reporting. I need to just

930
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: mental health, right, and because I don't have a very

931
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: big team in general. But I really enjoyed that job.

932
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: That part of the job a lot more like going

933
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: to meet folks, like y'all meet people doing cool shit

934
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: in our city is so much better than sitting down

935
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: with like a green writer and just like really cutting

936
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: it up with them. But it's something that I've learned

937
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: to do and gotten better at over the years. It's

938
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: just an entirely different skill set. Really.

939
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

940
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: I think also there's this layer of like you're the boss.

941
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: You know that that comes and it's like no one

942
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: wants to really. I mean there are people that want

943
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: to be the boss, but those are like the worst

944
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: people to be the boss, Like you don't.

945
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 6: Really understand the responsibility, so you're gonna come out here,

946
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: you gonna jack it up.

947
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: Like I kind of want somebody that's like I don't,

948
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: don't just see me as your boss. I'm a guy,

949
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm cool, right, but you kind of want that. But yeah,

950
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: that's a different type of layer, I think than being

951
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: just like, like you said, one of the guys, one

952
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: of the reporters. But I guess being able to do

953
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: both maybe that helps bridge some of that where it's like, no,

954
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: we're working on we are working on a group project,

955
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: this paper together, and you're in the shit with us.

956
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: You're not just in behind a desk being like no,

957
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: take this paragraph out or whatever, because I think that

958
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: kind of stuff can harbor resentment.

959
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: Is that something you.

960
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Ever had to deal with with people that were like, Man,

961
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: what the fuck you mean this paragraph?

962
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I haven't had that much. I'm

963
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: trying to think, like, I haven't had that much pushback

964
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: on my rewrites, and I'm a very I'm very much

965
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: like try to keep someone's voice in. But there is

966
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: plenty of stuff where I'm like, I'll just explain, like

967
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of up and coming, new

968
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: aspiring writers because that's sort of what our budget is.

969
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: To be honest, I can't afford a ton of I

970
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: can't afford a ton of like really skilled writers. Like

971
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: We've had Mary c. Curtis write for us once because

972
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm a close friend to hers and she was sort

973
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: of a mentor to me coming up at Creative Loafing.

974
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: But she like took half of our monthly freelance budget

975
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: and was like, all right, who's writing the rest of

976
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: this stuff? Uh, A lot of up and coming writers

977
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: for up and coming fees, So that in that context,

978
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Speaker 1: it's sort of like we're on the same team here.

979
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you, I'm almost like a teacher

980
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: in that in that regard.

981
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, you write a lot of articles about city council,

982
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 6: and I wanted to tell you that I actually really

983
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 6: love it because a lot of that stuff, not trying

984
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: to find it is very complex.

985
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 5: I know.

986
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 6: Those means are like Cooper long as ship. I know

987
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 6: you got you know, people standing, people speaking, people protesting,

988
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 6: people angry, and it can be very complicated and very complex.

989
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 5: But the way it's broken down is broken.

990
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 6: Down where somebody who doesn't really know all that jargon

991
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: can understand.

992
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 5: Is that difficult for you to do?

993
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 6: Where you want to write something challenging, you know, for

994
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 6: the reader, but you also want to break it down

995
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 6: for people who might who might not understand everything.

996
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sort of becomes second nature now because I've

997
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: been doing this the council quickies is what you're talking about.

998
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: And it started with live tweeting the meetings, and then

999
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: what I do when the meeting's over, I literally just

1000
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: put it on our website and I fact check it

1001
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: and I do some of the spell checking that I

1002
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: don't have the time to do in the live meeting.

1003
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: But for the most part, what's going into that council

1004
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: quickie newsletter and the counsequiki article on the site is

1005
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: literally just the live tweets that are broken down in

1006
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more readable or consumable. But and that's why,

1007
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: And that's sort of a like you said, it's a

1008
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: good way to read it for people with short attention

1009
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: span and don't want to sit through a six hour

1010
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: meeting and listen to just the blattering on that some

1011
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: of these people do like a lot of the times.

1012
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: It's not even that effect that it's not an interesting topic.

1013
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: It's the fact that every council member feels like they

1014
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 1: got to go around the dice and say the same

1015
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: thing that the person before them said so that they

1016
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: can get their two cents in, And it's just that's

1017
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: when it starts to drag like crazy.

1018
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: But that does that does like suck too, because we

1019
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: do live in like a gotcha culture. So I can

1020
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: imagine to them, they're like, I'd like to just be

1021
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: like diddo and we can move.

1022
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: The fuck on.

1023
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: But but like if I don't, if I don't go

1024
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: on the record with my ship, then somebody's gonna be like,

1025
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: you didn't even support the rezoning initiatives like I did.

1026
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: Support the I voted for it dawn at those at

1027
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: those meetings, though like sometimes I.

1028
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: Feel like it.

1029
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: I feel like our local politics been a little bit

1030
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: more spicier the last few years, and like I know

1031
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: this I seventy seven, uh that they want to put

1032
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: through like these historic black neighborhoods, and like I read

1033
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 2: that they were going to do a tour of the thing,

1034
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: but they didn't invite some of the people from the

1035
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: neighborhoods that would be affected, and so they were showing

1036
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: up to be like, hey, actually we would like to

1037
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: say our piece, and so they canceled the tour because

1038
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: they was like, we don't want to smoke. We'll just

1039
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: let's just reschedule this and do something where everyone can

1040
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: come to it, and you know, maybe even planning because

1041
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: now that they're seeing people gonna be upset playing a

1042
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: different route where it's not going through those neighborhoods.

1043
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: And then you know, we had, uh, we.

1044
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: Had we had the drama where one of our guys

1045
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: went to Trump's administration and his wife was running for

1046
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: a sea as a Republican and like the only Republican

1047
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: district in Charlotte. So like this type of stuff like,

1048
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: how was it like getting to know the players in

1049
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: the in this and what is the standard of covering it?

1050
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Like can you be like, man, they was full of shit,

1051
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: but this is what they said or you know that,

1052
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: like that's the dimensional.

1053
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: That's sort of the reason why I've tried to get

1054
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: a couple of different people onto doing council quickies for me,

1055
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: because the Lord knows I would love to not do

1056
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: that every single Monday night. Yeah, but it's because I've

1057
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: been doing that and covering that council since literally, uh,

1058
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: since I was a creative loafing so THEMN near a

1059
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: decade now that I've been going to those meetings. Be honest,

1060
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't go anymore since COVID they live stream them

1061
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: all now and it just makes it a lot easier

1062
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: for me.

1063
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can rewind.

1064
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: I can rewind a little bit, and I can get

1065
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the quote right, and I can make sure that I'm

1066
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: looking at documents while they're talking about them and stuff.

1067
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: But basically, where was I going with that? Is? But

1068
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: one thing I have learned for your question is like

1069
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: what does it like to know the players? Is like,

1070
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: these are really just the first time I really got

1071
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: deep into city councils. When I wrote about the fact

1072
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: that like Dimple ahmera Matt Newton and Lark and Egleston Tartakar,

1073
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: these were all people of my age, were only a

1074
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: little bit younger, all millennials who all made it on

1075
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: a council at once. And you start to like talk

1076
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: to all these people and you realize that these are

1077
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: just like, these are just folks that you would know

1078
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: from school or work or whatever, and they're not They're

1079
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: not like it's just as much as city councils as

1080
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: a big city. They're not like backed by these huge interests.

1081
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: Maybe some of them later become backed when they need

1082
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: to be, when they need to stand for a certain

1083
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: thing and people are lobbying for them, But I mean,

1084
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: these are just like folks who are It's like we

1085
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: said about our parents earlier, like you think of politicians

1086
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: a certain way when you're younger, and then you realize

1087
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: that these people don't know what the fuck they're doing

1088
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: anymore than I do.

1089
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: Is it a full time job for them or is

1090
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: it like this is a thing.

1091
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: They don't they don't get paid. I shouldn't know off

1092
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: the top of my hand. The exact salary, but it's

1093
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: not very much like something like something like a thousand

1094
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Speaker 1: a month, or like fourteen thousand a year or something

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to imagine getting dragged on the local media

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00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: and for like a thousand a month. I mean, I'm

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00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: surprised more people don't just quit like height. It's like

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00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: I heard, I heard y'all went to a Panthers game

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Speaker 2: on the city done.

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Speaker 7: You know what?

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Speaker 5: Fuck? You right?

1103
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: You right? I don't y'all got it? Y'all managed the

1104
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: sewer system.

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00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my wife is considered it and she

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00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: would make a really great politician. You've met her before, Yeah,

1107
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: but I've told her like, if you want that smoke,

1108
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: I would never want that smoke. I get enough of

1109
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: it as a journalist, and it's a hell I don't

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00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: want those people. Just people take shit really personal when

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00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: you are you're a city council like that.

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00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a local politician who stepped not local

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00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: to Charlotte, but in North Carolina who just recently stepped

1114
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: down from his candidacy because someone shot at his house.

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00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got that whole thing going on with

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00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: the mayor with no pants in Mooresville.

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Speaker 5: What's wrong with that?

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00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 6: Man?

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00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: So for our premium people, we cover a lot of

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Speaker 2: local stuff on our pregame, like, well, we'll talk about

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00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: some local stories and politicians and some of the players

1122
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: that we know, and uh, we have been covered covering

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00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: We've been reading about the Mooresville passless mayor and it's

1124
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: just getting like it's getting so much worse.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: I know you covered Charlotte and you used to cover

1127
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: out out further. But when you see that, is that

1128
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: something you're like, Man, why couldn't that have happened when

1129
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: I was out not out there in fucking home.

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Speaker 1: We will do we will do certain stories about just

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00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: really dramatic like some of these smaller towns in that

1132
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: Charlotte area, are they count as our coverage area? We

1133
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: don't do them in depth, but like I sort of

1134
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: caught winto that a little too late and we never

1135
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: did any coverage on it. But stuff like that is

1136
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: like people love those kind of stories. Like I would

1137
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: definitely cover that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know

1138
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: if Joe Bruno ever did get that surveillance they've been

1139
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: they've been suing the city for their surveillance camera. If

1140
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: anybody has wants to send it to me.

1141
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: Yes, send that out to see that.

1142
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, they've been suing it.

1143
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: It sounds hilarious.

1144
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 5: Yes, the I dude, we had one article with it.

1145
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 6: It do was basically describing what happened, and then they

1146
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 6: would show clips of the maya talking about none of

1147
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 6: this ever happened, and it looks like, on doll you

1148
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 6: did that.

1149
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 5: Man, he lost his job. That's why he's suing.

1150
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1151
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 5: They was the truth about to come.

1152
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: They was like people was like, man, we gotta report

1153
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: this because this is like part of our government job.

1154
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: We can't just leaded I'm the city like whatever person

1155
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: and suddenly they be fired.

1156
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: You know. It's like huh.

1157
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: It's like they, oh, you won't delete the footage. Well,

1158
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: I guess you'll delete your job. So I'm like this

1159
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: is this is like small town politics but also like

1160
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: super dramatic, and it does make you wonder like what

1161
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: what how much were those jobs paying? Were you getting

1162
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: harassed for one thousand dollars a month? Or were you

1163
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: like a full time I T guy.

1164
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: For to see I love that kind of stuff and

1165
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: I love that kind of drama, but it wasn't.

1166
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: The guy like, oh it was hot and like the

1167
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: only small interviews I've seen with him, he was just

1168
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: like brushing it off, like it was hot in here

1169
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: and I got to be here all today.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

1171
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: His uh, his cover story is uh that he went

1172
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: back and he was feeling sick and uh even though

1173
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: it was him and another supposed to another a woman

1174
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: in there, He's like, no, when the camera caught me

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00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: with no pants on arous, it was because I had

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00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: just finished using the bathroom and I had to take

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00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: my pants off, and I was like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Do not believe this story.

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Speaker 6: I don't believe you at all, because it made their

1180
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 6: long go off and the police.

1181
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 5: Came and the it dude was like we had the long.

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00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple people saw the footage that like a woman

1183
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: was there. He's like, no, I was just very sick.

1184
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, sick, I've been sick before.

1185
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: You don't. You don't lose your pants, bro, you don't

1186
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: just leave the pants and the come on, man.

1187
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Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing about stories like that, so do

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00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: y'all remember. I don't know if you connect me with it,

1189
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: but so many people do. Because the biggest story that

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Speaker 1: people will ever remember in my career, even if I

1191
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: go to expose a president and win a pilt Saird Zone.

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00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: The thing that people in this city remember me for

1193
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: was for interviewing the guy who stole the Homer costume.

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Speaker 1: Do y'all remember that?

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00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 6: Oh?

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00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: No, what what happened the Homer? The Charlotte Knight?

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00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody. It was a guy named Joe who he

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Speaker 1: stole the Homer costume out of because he went to

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Speaker 1: a beer fest in truest Field. It was whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: Then he passed out in the stairwell. They closed truest Field.

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Speaker 1: He woke up out of his drunken stupor and he

1202
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: walked around the baseball field and he found the Homer

1203
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: costume and he put it on and he left, and

1204
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: he went and partied around the fucking city. He went

1205
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: to the tilt dancing, and there's video of him all around.

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00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: So I went to found him. I found him from

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Speaker 1: a police report, and I went and interviewed him down

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Speaker 1: the Indian Trail where he lives at a bar, and

1209
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: we got drunk together, and he must not have talked

1210
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: to a lawyer, yet he told me the entire story.

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: It went, It went like nationally viral. Yeah, there he

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00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: is right, there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Wow, that is crazy.

1214
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: The way he was telling me stuff. It was just

1215
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: Q and A and he was It was hilarious. The

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00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: dude was like the funniest dude ever. Wow, they were

1217
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: still friends.

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Speaker 3: I wonder, Yeah, he was not a guy too much trouble.

1219
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: That feels like that feels like more like hod Jinks

1220
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: than Fellahause he.

1221
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: Got arrested for theft and stuff, and then it became

1222
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: this huge national story and the people in the Nights

1223
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: organization were telling us that loafing behind the scenes, like

1224
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: we love this story more than anything. We cannot play

1225
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: it up, we cannot voice our support for it, but

1226
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: we love this story going so many places and like

1227
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: raising awareness. And eventually I think they like they worked

1228
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: some deal out where he just had to like I

1229
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: don't even know if he did something with the team,

1230
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: but he just had to do some community service and stuff.

1231
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: They made.

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: They made him the mascot, they fired, they fired the

1233
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: old mask. I was like, this guy will do it

1234
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: for two Budwisers. Okay, we just got to get think

1235
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: that he.

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Speaker 1: The funniest part I remember from that interview is him

1237
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: just telling me how bad it fucking stunk inside that

1238
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, how bad it got to?

1239
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

1240
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: And I was like I did.

1241
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: I can imagine. I think about there.

1242
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: Every time I see a mascot, I'm like, oh god,

1243
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: this got a stink in there. The worst is I

1244
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: think worse than like game mascots might have it good.

1245
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: Compared to like the people in the Chuck E Cheese costume.

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00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know that ain't just they costume. They

1247
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: probably having mad people in that costume. What about like

1248
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: when you have pitches and opinions and stuff, how do

1249
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: you dictate what like is the vibe of your paper

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00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: and what's not? You know, like what because I know

1251
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll see like an op ed and like the

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Washington Post, and it's like, even if the vibe of

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Speaker 2: the paper is generally like more fact based, there's like

1254
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: a pressure to be like, well you need an op ed.

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00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to give the opposite point of view.

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: And I feel like as our society is like gotten

1257
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: further and further away from like tent pole media and gatekeeping,

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00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: we've also kind of gotten further away from like facts

1259
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: kind of like where it's like, hey man, I think

1260
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: the president is awesome and he didn't do anything wrong

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00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: and there's no evidence.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what these people talking.

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Speaker 2: About, and that'll be like an op ed in like

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: a paper of report, like where you're supposed to be like, no,

1265
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: that that's the New York Times. Do you feel like

1266
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: you need to like, that's part of what journalism is,

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00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: as part of what papers are, and you have to

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Speaker 2: like make sure you put that into your paper as well.

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Speaker 1: As far as like our reporting, I mean, we are

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Speaker 1: we are sort of unashamedly left leaning as a paper,

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: and we believe in certain standards and certain principles as people,

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Speaker 1: and but when it comes to our reporting on stories,

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: we are always I hold people to the same standards

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Speaker 1: I hold myself too, which is that you're trying to

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00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: get both sides as a story, and in a reported

1276
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: issue that's not in a reported piece, that's not in obed.

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to always at least give someone else the

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to tell their side of a given story and say,

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: what is the other side of this argument, because every

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: story is going to have, any issue is going to

1281
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: have two sides, and you got to hear both sides regardless.

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00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: So that's just something that I always have kept from

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00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: journalism school. Now in terms of op eds, we take

1284
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: unsolicited op ads all the time where people will send

1285
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: me stuff and be like, I really want to write

1286
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: about this, and as long as to me, I don't

1287
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: have to necessarily agree with it, as long as it's

1288
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: not hate filled, it full, it's not something that I

1289
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: think is going to harm the community. I have a

1290
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Speaker 1: friend Lisa Snowden, who is an editor of the Baltimore

1291
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: Beat Up in Baltimore, obviously, and she I wrote I

1292
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: read from her one time on Twitter saying to take

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Speaker 1: every day at the end of the day and say,

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: did anything I do with this paper harm the community today?

1295
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: Did I do any harm? And that's sort of how

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: I look at things. With our coverage. We're happy to

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Speaker 1: I said, all voice like, we try to get as

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Speaker 1: many voices as possible. Representation matters. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: different sides of different issues. As long as something's not

1300
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: causing harm and not spreading hate, I want to I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to publish it.

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Speaker 5: Was it not was it difficult?

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 6: But was it difficult to cover Charlotte when Ice came

1304
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 6: to town? You know, because I know that impacted like

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 6: a lot of the community and things like that. How

1306
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 6: how do they impact your coverage of like, because you

1307
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 6: want to reach out, but it's hard to reach out

1308
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Speaker 6: when people aren't coming out.

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Speaker 1: Right and then there's a there's obviously the language barrier

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Speaker 1: there we don't have we have we don't really even

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Speaker 1: have a team at this point. This year. We've had

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Speaker 1: a really rough year. We wrote about it in an

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Speaker 1: op ed at the end of last year. How the

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Speaker 1: cut art's funded. This isn't entirely I'm digressing a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but when they cut arts funding in the tariffs and

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Speaker 1: economic uncertainly of twenty twenty five sort of slash all

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Speaker 1: of our advertising revenue. So we're sort of starting a

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Speaker 1: new this year and trying to build it from scratch almost,

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Speaker 1: and so we don't have a big team. We certainly

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Speaker 1: we did not have a Spanish speaking person on our

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Speaker 1: staff right now, and that makes it really difficult. I'm

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Speaker 1: working with people at Action and See and people at

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Speaker 1: Carolina Migrant Network in constant touch with them. What are

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Speaker 1: you hearing you have a hotline, But they're also like

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Speaker 1: trying to save people's livelihoods and get people away from

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Speaker 1: federal agents, so they're not I'm not their priority, nor

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Speaker 1: should I be So to answer your question, it's very hard.

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Speaker 1: I live over here in East Charlotte, and I remember

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Speaker 1: getting seeing social media posts about someone who had been

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Speaker 1: shot by an ICE agent over on Milton Road, which

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01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: is right close to me, and I hopped in my

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: car and sped over there, and the scene was already cleared,

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Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a guy who had

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Speaker 1: a medical issue, probably a heart attack because of the

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Speaker 1: stress of somebody who was trying to arrest them. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a shooting, but everyone was gone by the time

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Speaker 1: I got there, and I responded pretty damn quick. So

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Speaker 1: it's like it's really hard to just sort of cover

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Speaker 1: something like that based on social media. When things are

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Speaker 1: going down, it's hard to I've talked about this on

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Talks. I go on wfa's Charlotte Talks to do

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01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: roundups a couple times a month, and we were just

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: talking about this last week. How like, when you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with a government agency that has no interest whatsoever in transparency,

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: it's really hard to confirm, like how many people did

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01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: you take off our streets? They won't tell us and

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01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: we can't find out, and that just makes things.

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Speaker 2: And it is interesting too because like I listen to

1349
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: Charlotte Talks all the time as well, and it's interesting

1350
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: too because on there you get the perspective of with

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: our local politics, how sometimes it can be an opaque

1352
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: situation operating with the Charlotte local government to be like

1353
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: we just need to know more about this process, or

1354
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: can we get a statement on this thing or and

1355
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: it's like when government entities do not want to share,

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: they just.

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Speaker 3: Like fuck it. Make me like they like it's really

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01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: like make me yeah, And so I think, you know.

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Speaker 2: When the opposition to whatever your belief systems are is

1360
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: in power, it's like, oh, that's what they do. But

1361
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: like it's really that's one thing that isn't necessarily a

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01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: partisan thing. It may be worse under different administrations, but like,

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: the government is not here to tell you everything.

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Speaker 3: And I've never been on the other side. I'm sure.

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01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's rational, reasonable things to be like you

1366
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: can't tell them this shit yet, I'm sure that's real. Like,

1367
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't want to act like like,

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen what human beings can do with

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01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: just a little bit of knowledge. But but the but

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: the misinformation and disinformation isn't it. I think it flourishes

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01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: when they're when people can't trust these institutions.

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Speaker 1: Are Yeah, the city of Charlotte is infamous about being

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01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: bad about getting its public records requests filled in time. Yeah,

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01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: if not years.

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Speaker 3: What have you met Mike Collins in person? Or do

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01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: y'all do that over zoom or what?

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Speaker 1: He usually goes to a lot of theater things, and

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01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll see him if we go to a media night

1379
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: as we get the same invites to Blumenthal. I actually, actually,

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, I did go. When I was a

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Speaker 1: very young reporter. I had written a story about Hidden

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Valley back when it was like on uh, the Hidden

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01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: Valley Kings was like a big story and they were

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: on Gangland on the History Channel and stuff. And I

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: wrote a cover story and uh, there's a lot of

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: controversy about that cover story and learned a lot of

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: lessons from that one because of the way it was

1388
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: portrayed on the cover, which I did not design whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: That's a different story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I had to do with that, I remember, but I.

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Speaker 1: Went on there. What was that? He was like, I

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with the picture, right, Well, yeah,

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: it said like the cover said is Hidden Valley the

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01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: worst neighborhood in Charlotte. It's like I was doing work

1395
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: in the article to say this is a blue collar

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: neighborhood with a lot of teachers and city staff and

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: this and that, but the cover was sort of click baby,

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01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: and that's just what it was. There are still people

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: on the Hidden Valley Neighborhood Association who walk around with

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: that cover and laminate and they say, this is what

1401
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: the media says about us. It's like, that's my name

1402
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: on it.

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, your byline it right under there.

1404
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: I was driving to say a different message, and people.

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: Don't know that, Like if you don't if you guys

1406
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: don't know that our listeners. When you are right for

1407
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: a publication. Most of the time, a lot of the

1408
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: times editors come up with the actual titles for your

1409
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: article to heading, and a lot of times there's editorial

1410
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: decisions on the picture. Sometimes they will let you in

1411
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: on it, but they don't have to. They can just

1412
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: be like, all right, I got the piece. Uh you

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: know what we're gonna say, uh this and now and

1414
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: now your byline is still there, though it doesn't say

1415
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: editor pick this, it just says your name.

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01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: So that's why it's that's what that's what Ryan's talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's when I was a freelancer. Yeah, I wasn't even

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: team yet. But but it's also a lesson that I

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01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: take now as an editor when I do have a

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01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: say in every cover, in a in a say and

1421
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: I create almost every headline to where that's the community

1422
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: harm that I'm talking about is like considering every little

1423
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: aspect of that. You're not just trying to get clickbait.

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01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: You're actually impacting people's lives who are trying.

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01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: Are you ever tempted? Are you ever tempted to go

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01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: to the clickbait?

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01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: Like you ever look at the bottom line for the

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01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: end of the month, baby, need to sell some papers, not.

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Speaker 1: Even uh well not even like for bottom line. This

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: is yeah, because we are a free newspapers. But like

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: I do get click baby with like our weekly news

1432
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: round up, and not in a way that I think

1433
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: is necessarily harmful for the community. But I'll be like,

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01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: there's five little blurb stories in a weekly news roundom,

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the one that might not be the

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: most important, but it's gonna piss the most people off

1437
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: because it's just a little you know, it's just a

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: little aggregated thing, or this comes from all the reporting.

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: I think I would I think I would sell I

1440
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: think I would sell out, like hey.

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: It just it's just the job just feels too thankless,

1442
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: like you guys are doing hard work.

1443
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: No one trusts the media. I'm already.

1444
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: I see the way they be talking about all the

1445
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: different local publications.

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01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: They always have to go away, all of them. They don't.

1447
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 3: I think I would sell out. I think my first article.

1448
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 2: Would be a cover story like LaMelo ball racist question

1449
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: mark It just you know, I mean, because I'm not

1450
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: really calling them racist.

1451
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: The whole article could be how he's not.

1452
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: But I just think I need to get like, maybe

1453
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: we can make those paper shirts, like we can do

1454
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: our own shirts. We could sell like worst neighborhood in

1455
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: the community.

1456
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: Five dollars a shirt, five dollars a shirt support local Meridia.

1457
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 3: I don't, I mean, you might should do that, Vito, Dad, That's.

1458
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Really how it is. I'm sorry, go ahead, Karen.

1459
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 3: No, that's just Karen shoot it down. That's just Karen

1460
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 3: killing my joke. Obvious.

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: That's really how it is, though. No, you're right though,

1462
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: because I call it the pizza baby the Pizza Baby syndrome,

1463
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: where if we write a negative story about something, ninety

1464
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of our coverage is either like

1465
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: serious news that you can't argue with, or if it's

1466
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: or it's a positive piece about about a business, about

1467
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: a local artist, about a small business mom and pop shop,

1468
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: someone making food, someone doing something amazing in the arts

1469
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: world and the creative scene, that's ninety nine percent of

1470
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: our coverage. But if we write like we published a

1471
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: review about Pizza Baby and how bad that our critic

1472
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: thought it was, and it was literally people were writing

1473
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: news stories and interview with me as the editor about

1474
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: this story for Axios, and like the whole city just

1475
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: turned up about it. Like we wrote a story, we

1476
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: published an op ed about how pickle the pickleball facility

1477
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: at Camp North and was a bad look for that

1478
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: place as a creative hub. And that place has that

1479
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: article now framed up on their restaurant. That a bad

1480
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: look for Camp North. And like people think that we

1481
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: are the most negative paper because they hang on to

1482
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: the only very small negative things.

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Speaker 3: That's so good. That's man. Guess what me and Karen

1484
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: love piece of Baby. Okay, we didn't even know you

1485
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 3: guys wrote that.

1486
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: He later so good, We're gonna talk bad about you

1487
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: in the comments later on. I'm gonna go like I

1488
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: talked to that son of a bitch and he was

1489
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: I was eating pizza baby that night.

1490
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm yet to go. But I mean, we've done that

1491
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: in the best Innessah, we said. We gave an award

1492
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: out for critics pick that was called restaurant that we

1493
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: disagree with our food critic on and that was Forever

1494
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: Angelope because he didn't really like that either, and we

1495
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: were like, that's bullshit. We love but you know, it

1496
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: is what it is. If we published something, then they

1497
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: think our whole newspaper staff believes it.

1498
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the best of the next worst of

1499
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: the nest. You know, somebody got to cover that too,

1500
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: you know some Yeah, I remember I read them through

1501
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: the Hall of Shame. I don't remember we read it

1502
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: live on the air. We read but we read through

1503
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: that one time.

1504
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

1505
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: It was like a lady on Instagram that was like

1506
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 2: faking food reviews and ship It was like, this is.

1507
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: Amazing, I know is happening, Like this is the thing.

1508
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: So I kind of appreciate it, but I do but

1509
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: even with our podcast, we used to do our yearly

1510
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: awards and so it'd be like the best the best

1511
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: guests to do and a podcast Keith and the Girl

1512
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: which we started, which we we started our podcast because

1513
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: we were fans of them and they used to do

1514
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: the best, uh.

1515
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: But they'd also do the worst.

1516
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: And I remember listening to like the episode where they're

1517
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 2: like calling the people who did the worst or or

1518
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: like debating should they call it because everyone was giving

1519
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: like acceptance speeches or whatever, and I was like, for

1520
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: our show, let's not do the worst, you know what.

1521
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Speaker 2: That didn't make me feel too good. I wouldn't want

1522
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: someone to calling me to be like you were the

1523
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: worst one last year?

1524
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: What do you think you? So it is funny that

1525
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: like the few times you guys have been like yeah,

1526
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: we didn't like that, they're like, that's all you are

1527
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: to me is that I will never trust you again.

1528
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've been to I went to the Spot

1529
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: and Plaza Midwood. It was a new bar, lahamer Nita,

1530
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: and they were like our nightlife writer who is like

1531
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: the biggest, Like she just goes and gets drunk at

1532
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: a spot and writes a puff piece about it how

1533
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: much she loves this. She's not going to be in

1534
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: all overly critical. She'll she'll write about, you know, how

1535
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: she feels as a black girl going in certain spaces,

1536
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: but she's not like fuck this business ever. And then

1537
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: there's so I walked in there and like, yeah, oh man,

1538
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: we heard Queen City and Nerve covered us. Everyone was

1539
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: super worried about what you guys were gonna say, and

1540
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: we ran to go get it. We thought you gonna

1541
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: tear the fart. It's like, why, why.

1542
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: That's sad? You hate to see it.

1543
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you now to get off topic,

1544
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 5: how did you find us? Like, like, how did you

1545
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 5: find us in our podcast?

1546
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Karen. It might have been my wife, Christine.

1547
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: I think she might have listened before I did, or

1548
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: where was I. Yeah, I don't know, because I've been

1549
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: a fan for like five or six years now, so

1550
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: God knows what was happening.

1551
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure.

1552
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm almost one hundred cent sure had to be the

1553
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones recaps, like it's always yeah, I feel

1554
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: like the TV show stuff.

1555
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 3: It's a good crossover drug, you know, you get people

1556
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 3: in there.

1557
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: I think I was already a fan, though before that happened.

1558
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: Honestly this I cannot recall what it was.

1559
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: Well, I know, also we did some stuff at the

1560
01:12:54,200 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: Bloomahal Center for Performing Arts about that time. We know

1561
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: we were doing something with NPR, but I can't remember.

1562
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: I think it didn't they didn't finish it. But I

1563
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: mean we started doing a little more local stuff then

1564
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: because like our show, Like, it's so interesting having a podcast,

1565
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: Because our podcast, I think traditionally fans think of it

1566
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: as like, oh, so you must be like really big

1567
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 2: in the Charlotte community, and it's it's.

1568
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: Not like a radio show.

1569
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, going out to the Turkey giveaway Gods,

1570
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: Rod and Karen like, nah, we're just giving opinions about

1571
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: all kinds of shits, much of it having nothing to.

1572
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: Do with our specific city.

1573
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: But we are, or we were or slash are just

1574
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 2: because I have a check the biggest podcast in Charlotte,

1575
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: and like just we can walk.

1576
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: Down the street.

1577
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,480
Speaker 2: Nobody would know necessarily not most people would even recognize

1578
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: that that that's happening, but yeah, it's so it's a

1579
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: different type of connection. So having a local paper recognized

1580
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: us it meant a lot to us because also as

1581
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: like a podcast, we don't get recognized that much. It

1582
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the numbers are whatever. You know, We've

1583
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: never I don't think we're not in the podcast Hall

1584
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: of Fame at all. We were up for like a

1585
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: Stitcher award one years ago. Yeah, so it like to

1586
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: be recognized in a lot. And then like the write

1587
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: up was like pretty thorough and nice, so like, you know,

1588
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 2: I appreciated it that y'all even wrote about.

1589
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: Y'all are definitely y'all are the podcasts that my wife

1590
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: and I can agree on to listen to during pop

1591
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: during road trips because we both have our own. You know,

1592
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: we both have our own and there's a few like

1593
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: How I Made This or a couple of others that

1594
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: we like both listened to at the same time. But

1595
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: this is the one that we run through on any

1596
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: road trip, especially the show recaps, because we both we listened.

1597
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: We watched the same shows that y'all watch for the

1598
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: most part. But that is definitely what we what we

1599
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: bond on. This is our road trip show. If we

1600
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: know we're going somewhere like well, we're not driving, we're

1601
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: going to New Orleans this week, but that's that's a

1602
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: separate thing because we're flying, so it won't be the same,

1603
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: But we don't listen to y'all separately for like a

1604
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks if we're about to go on a

1605
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: road trip, so that we can actually listen together, like

1606
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: it's a connecting thing.

1607
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: What was it like, like you say you met Mike Collins,

1608
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: what's it like being on his podcast? And what made

1609
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: you start Newshound your own podcast?

1610
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: I was really that first time I ever went on

1611
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: his podcast was when they were still on uptown at

1612
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: the studio and like people are walking by the windows.

1613
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: I found it hilarious, Like he was he's not really

1614
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: like this anymore. He's getting he's gotten a little older,

1615
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: but like he was like right as soon as it

1616
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: cut to an ad, be like who wrote that fucking

1617
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: ad that I just had to read live? That's not

1618
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: I think you had to say something in French or

1619
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: something in a like a live ad read And I

1620
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: hope I don't get kicked off of Charlotte Talks or

1621
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: saying see humor, Yes, no, he has a he has

1622
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: an amazing sense. But it was just so funny, like

1623
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: watching him turn it off and turn it back on and.

1624
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: That's what a professional is. Yeah, Like that's that's you know.

1625
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: I always say like, uh now this is different because

1626
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: it's it's journalism. But like when people look at daytime TV,

1627
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, nice as a muscle man, like the like

1628
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: there's a reason Tamra Hall or whatever can do that

1629
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: for her whole life, and like Megan Kelly couldn't do

1630
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: it for one year, Like that's that's just a muscle

1631
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 2: that people don't respect.

1632
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: But it's it's it's it's a muscle.

1633
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: Like whenever you hear someone not nice behind the scenes,

1634
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, of course they're not nice. They're nice as

1635
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: their fucking job, you know what i mean. Like James, Yeah,

1636
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: he's not that nice. When you get him off the

1637
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: micro front, I'm like.

1638
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 3: Of course he's not that. No one's that nice except

1639
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: for money, Like that's crazy. But yeah, so you met

1640
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 3: Mike Collins.

1641
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: I think the thing I like the most about Mike

1642
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 2: Collins is that he asked questions that are very they

1643
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 2: sound like they're open ended, but they're very leading questions

1644
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 2: sometimes to the penelty and I'm like, there's only one.

1645
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. What I love about him is that he will

1646
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: call it what it is, and there's a lot of

1647
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: local newspeople will not call what Trump's administration is doing.

1648
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and.

1649
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: I'll be on there with four different journalists who have

1650
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: spent the last week reporting about every crime that happened

1651
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: in Charlotte because the right wing followers expect them to

1652
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: play up this idea that Charlotte is this hugely dangerous

1653
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: city when I walk around in Uptown on a regular

1654
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: basis and I never feel danger at all. But so

1655
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: then he's sitting there talking to us and he's like wow,

1656
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: he'll just like finish saying a little thing that he

1657
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: read about what the Trump administration did that week, and

1658
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: he'll just be like, in a passing comment, be like, wow,

1659
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like Nazi America.

1660
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: I love.

1661
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: That because there's so many people who are just refusing

1662
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: to say that, because there's this idea of a right bias.

1663
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: If you say it, you're biased, you have an opinion,

1664
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to do that.

1665
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's like the way he asked

1666
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: the question where he'll be like, you know, we got

1667
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: an election expert on blah blah blah, and then it'll

1668
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: be like so Donald Trump is saying that the election

1669
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: was stolen and that he has proof, even though it's

1670
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: been six years and you haven't come up with any proof.

1671
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 2: Uh so is that real or is that just a

1672
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: bunch of poppycock or something like that, And it's like

1673
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 2: the person, there's only one answer the person can give.

1674
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: It's like poppy cock. He's like, all right, well we're

1675
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: going up to the break, We'll be right back, or

1676
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: Charlotte talks. I'm like, yeah, it was yeah, that Like

1677
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: sometimes he does that and I'm like, because I'm like,

1678
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 2: how's he He's always like on point where he's like,

1679
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: all right, I got I need to answer in ten seconds.

1680
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: But then the question, the question, the way is set up.

1681
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 3: It's like a one word answer.

1682
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 5: You know what.

1683
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: Man, It's difficult man, because he'll be he'll be going

1684
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: like this in the fucking camera and you have so

1685
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: much to say, and you're just like, okay, I'm trying

1686
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: to man point though, Like just the other week, he

1687
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 1: was talking to what's his name, Andrew Murray, the district

1688
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: former district attorney and now he's Trump's federal attorney in

1689
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: the western North Carolina, and he was doing a full

1690
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: interview with him, and he said he asked him something

1691
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: about do you think Trump is truly thinks that such

1692
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: and such will be there? This is the true reason

1693
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: he did this. I can't I can't remember what it was.

1694
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: But Andrew Murray answered, He's like, yeah, I think that's

1695
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: an honest he's doing that in good faith, this and that,

1696
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: and then Mike Collins like five seconds of dead air

1697
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: and goes and he said that with a straight face.

1698
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 3: He's the best.

1699
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 6: I love it.

1700
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, all right, what about the podcast though, Newshouse?

1701
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 3: What what made you like start how long?

1702
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: I started back at Creative Loafing doing Local Vibes, which

1703
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: is a local music podcast, and that was with my

1704
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: boss then Mark Kemp, former editor there, and we had

1705
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: a great time with that. And then once I got

1706
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: over to we launched Queen City Nerve. That was like

1707
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: one of the few things where my former owner was like,

1708
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: I own Local Vibes. Because we were like, we're going

1709
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: to launch Local Vibes and he was like, we own

1710
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: Local Vibes, we own that name. You can't do that,

1711
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: and we were like, all right, fuck it. And then

1712
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: I just started doing a news one instead because I mean,

1713
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: it's really hard. I love local music. We have a

1714
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: local musician in the chat here who's been talking and

1715
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm so appreciative of her and like, we will never

1716
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: stop doing local music, but it's super hard to get

1717
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: people interested in reading the local music pieces. It's a

1718
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: very niche subculture where you know, it's something that we're

1719
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: passionate about. But talking to news folks and people involved

1720
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: in you know, everyone from city council members to the

1721
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: district attorneys to like local organizers who never get a

1722
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: chance to be on any podcast has been sort of

1723
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: a whole different, whole different world of like just the

1724
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: same reason we started the paper, which is to it's

1725
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: the cliche and journalism school is give voice to the voiceless,

1726
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: and I hate to just repeat that same term, but

1727
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: it's really just about giving that voice to folks who

1728
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: may have been working behind the scenes in political organizing

1729
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: or even community organizing, anti violence work stuff like that

1730
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: for years in some of the most thankless roles ever,

1731
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: and they really have some of the cool like not coolest,

1732
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: but like some of the most important shit to say

1733
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: and some of the most important experiences to get out there,

1734
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: and nobody ever talks to them, so that's really my

1735
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: goal with that. I actually, I'll be honest. So I

1736
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: told y'all it was the penultimate in ninety ninth episode

1737
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,480
Speaker 1: when I brought you on, and then I started overthinking

1738
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: so much about who is going to be one hundred guests,

1739
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Like you can't beat Rod and Karen, So I was like,

1740
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: who am I going to get? I didn't get an

1741
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: answer from the mayor, I didn't get an answer from

1742
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: a couple other people, and then I just dropped it.

1743
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: And then I didn't have one hundredth episode until I

1744
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: had Carolina Migrant Network on just last month, so or

1745
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: no this month, it's still March, so now I'm going

1746
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: to pick it back up. But it's been like we

1747
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: went on like a little one year hiatus because y'all

1748
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: were too good and I couldn't top it.

1749
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 3: One hundred's never booked.

1750
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 2: What they call it paralysis of analysis, man, You know,

1751
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: you gotta just it's funny because our show has been

1752
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: the opposite experience, where like we do so many shows,

1753
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: fans will write us and'll be like, well, y'all doing

1754
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: anything special for episode blank?

1755
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 5: And we're like, no, because we.

1756
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 2: Count that sounds like more work. How about this, everyone

1757
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: lowered their expectations and just expect a regular as show.

1758
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 2: I appreciate.

1759
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: That's why. That's what I ended up thinking. Like at

1760
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: some point after a few months, it wasn't even overthinking

1761
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: the show anymore. It was just like I don't I'm

1762
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: not doing that because it takes work, right, But like, yeah,

1763
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: that's basically basically why I have Carolina Migrant Network on.

1764
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: Is not not because they're they're not bad, guess, but

1765
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: it was because I was like, nobody gives a ship

1766
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: that this is the number one hundred compared to one

1767
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: hundred and two, So like, let me just have these

1768
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: people on who can give us a lot of context

1769
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: about this thing that happened in Charlotte's Web just a

1770
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. And like, dude, the reason that

1771
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I launched this podcast.

1772
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't be precious about it, man.

1773
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 5: You know.

1774
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: I told my friend Chris Lamberth, a comedian, he waited

1775
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: so long to do his first stand up album, and

1776
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: he didn't do it until the pandemic because he realized, like, shit,

1777
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: when day we're all gonna die, and then like I

1778
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: won't have a thing out there that represents like that.

1779
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: I was really good at this comedy thing, and so

1780
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: he dropped his special and now this year he just dropped.

1781
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 3: His second one. And that's probably been like say four

1782
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 3: or five years or whatever. And I was like, yeah,

1783
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 3: because once you.

1784
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: Realize that, like it's precious and that you love it

1785
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: and you care, but it's not precious in that there's

1786
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people putting things they love and care

1787
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: out into the world, like go ahead and get your

1788
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: thing out there, rather than not.

1789
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 3: So I'm glad to hear you back on the on

1790
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 3: the mic man.

1791
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: I listened, so, you know, I was I didn't want

1792
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 2: to say nothing, but I was like, damn, man, he

1793
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: taken a while.

1794
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I hopefully did he just quit? I

1795
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 3: don't know, Like I don't put no pressure on him,

1796
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: but you know, I just.

1797
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: I just had the same experience with well, not the

1798
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: same experience. But I just to this podcast. Uh what

1799
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: is it called? It's from Akila Hughes. How is this better?

1800
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: Have you heard of that podcast?

1801
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: I heard of it. Yes, I don't know.

1802
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm new to it. So I listened to two episodes

1803
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: and now she hasn't done one for two weeks since

1804
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: she used to. I'm like Damn did did she just stop?

1805
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: As people who are podcasting for a long period of time,

1806
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: we've seen it all. Man like people when they write

1807
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: us for advice is ironic because it's just like the

1808
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: advice you started with when Karen Ashy, what would you

1809
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 2: advise someone who is like younger? It's it's just keep

1810
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: doing it, just like there's no sexy advice for podcast advice.

1811
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 6: It's only everybody. You gotta do it, distant everybody. It's

1812
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 6: almost like I joke about the basketball playing with the fundamentals.

1813
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 6: The fundamentals is to be consistent. Yes, schedule that you

1814
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 6: know you're going to keep and be consistent, like that's

1815
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 6: the ship.

1816
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 5: That's not sexy.

1817
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 6: Everybody to quote unquote being a articles, being a newspaper,

1818
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 6: be at the photo shoots. But you don't get there

1819
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 6: without your consistency because the thing is you want people

1820
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 6: to listen, and people aren't gonna listen because because like

1821
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: me saying, we've been listen to a lot of different podcasts,

1822
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 6: I've listened to shows with every episode is we back?

1823
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: I know that's the best and the worst.

1824
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 5: You know, you know what I'm saying, because you we're back?

1825
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: Hey, you can't.

1826
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: Always be coming back. You gotta do this ship man,

1827
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 2: people waiting on that. You can't go to work like that.

1828
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 6: You know.

1829
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: All right, So we had a good conversation so far.

1830
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: But I know you said you did want to do

1831
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 2: some some games and stuff like that. I'll let you pick,

1832
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: Like what segment you want to do we have?

1833
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Do you let me stay out of let me stay

1834
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: out of black people's business.

1835
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: I was literally gonna say, I'm just about to say

1836
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 2: I was not gonna do black folks businesses. I don't

1837
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: want you to get in trouble and then be like

1838
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 2: I like that guy, but he has some opinions about

1839
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: Jay Cole and I don't appreciate.

1840
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 3: So we got white people news. You know, we got

1841
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 3: a lot of different stuff.

1842
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 1: That's week of news between Chili and Nick Cannon and

1843
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: uh yeah, now somebody else, I forget who I saw

1844
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: Today'll gonna have a field day with that one.

1845
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 3: They don't Chili. They on Chili's ass, bro I this.

1846
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: So there was two different things. There was Ja Cole

1847
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: been doing these interviews. Yes, that's black folk business for sure.

1848
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Chili secret Republican, Wow, did not see that coming, kind

1849
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: of saw it coming didn't really see that coming. And

1850
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: then uh jay Z did an interview with g Q

1851
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: and I was like this, yeah, I was like, these

1852
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: are black folks business topics. Trustan Thompson not really black,

1853
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 2: you know, but I was like, these are black folks

1854
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: business topics.

1855
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, we because of the schedule, I

1856
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to put put Ryan through.

1857
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to put it. I don't want to

1858
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: have people like, yeah, what is your opinion? You know?

1859
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I try to make a point to

1860
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: like there's plenty of online discourse where I'm like, I

1861
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: have thoughts on this, but I'm just gonna keep them

1862
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: to myself as a responsible white person because I don't

1863
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: nobody needs me policing politics.

1864
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm a black person.

1865
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: But saying dog, that was the whole thing about Ryan

1866
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Coogler and whether you should have more lgbt Q representation

1867
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: in his movies, and I went, that's not my table,

1868
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like that, that's another table

1869
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 2: for people to fight that one out, but I'm not about.

1870
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 3: To get involved.

1871
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: Let's play guesst the race man. Is that what me

1872
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: and my watch play?

1873
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 2: We all snap, all snap waiting in the deep water.

1874
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens here. Let me find a guess

1875
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: the race? Music real quick, so we could start the games.

1876
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 7: Man, it's time to catch the race. It's time. It's

1877
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 7: time to catch the race. It's time to catch the race.

1878
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: All right, guess the race.

1879
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: Time we go around the glow, find differ articles, Guess

1880
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: the rights of the people involved. The chat room plays

1881
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: along as well as our guest, which, of course Karen

1882
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: and Ryan picking of the QC nerve.

1883
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: Let's see how much nerve he has.

1884
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 2: Woman blasted a man with a three eighty after he

1885
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: dared her to shoot him during an argument.

1886
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: That there is the gun, dared to shoot him.

1887
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: He dared her to shoot him, and she said she obliged.

1888
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 2: She she took She took him up on that there

1889
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: did she.

1890
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 5: Put her foot out there said shoot a pikaito.

1891
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 3: Uh and Idaho.

1892
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,560
Speaker 2: Man allegedly blasted the leg of a man she was

1893
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 2: drinking with using a three eighty pistol. Then she hopped

1894
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: into bed and fell asleep like nothing happened.

1895
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 5: Shen't think twice about him.

1896
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: She was white.

1897
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 6: She went too bad.

1898
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1899
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Diane weather Be, sixty five, is charged of fellon rerggravated

1900
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: battery with the use of a daily weapon for the

1901
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 2: Saturday night shooting. Court records obtained by East Idaho News

1902
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 2: say Weatherby and the man were drinking together at home

1903
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: and Chalice when they began arguing with one another.

1904
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 3: The man told police he handed her the three eighty

1905
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 3: and then dared to to open fire on him, to

1906
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 3: which she allegedly obliged.

1907
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 5: He didn't think she was gonna do it.

1908
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 3: This feels like entrapment. I feel like he should go

1909
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: to jail too.

1910
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Gun.

1911
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: You can't argue with me handing me a gun and

1912
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 3: be like what shoot me in Like, oh, this is

1913
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 3: too easy at least? Yeah, exactly?

1914
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Can we both do community service after how she should

1915
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 2: only go to jail as long as it take him.

1916
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 3: To go out the hospital.

1917
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

1918
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: After shooting the man in the legs, she went upstairs

1919
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 2: the bedroom and passed out. Another man who was at

1920
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: the home did not see what happened, but did hear

1921
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 2: a single gun shot. Deputies were called to the home

1922
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,839
Speaker 2: around eleven to twenty three pm on Saturday, uh and Weatherby,

1923
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: who was found sleeping, was taken into custody.

1924
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: The pistol she allegedly used to shoot the.

1925
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: Victim, was found on the bedroom floor surrounded by puddles

1926
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: of blood.

1927
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 6: Uh.

1928
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 2: Investigators found more blood during search of the residents, including

1929
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 2: a bloody pair of boots found near the back door

1930
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 2: of the home. Well, she on one track blood throughout

1931
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: the house. I mean that's only right.

1932
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

1933
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: She also confessed to the shooting on her way to

1934
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 3: the jail where she was booked.

1935
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1936
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 3: Ryan, Diane Weatherby, you're sticking.

1937
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: With white, absolutely white this. I feel like there was

1938
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: myths involved to put that up. I don't know if

1939
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 1: they found it but in the home, but it was involved.

1940
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 6: Care Ida whole potato whites. I had the whole potato white.

1941
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's check the chat rooms, Diane said, I'm

1942
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 2: your Huckleberry white.

1943
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 5: You said, Idaho. I was like, ain't too many of us?

1944
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: And I the whole double dare pale palette.

1945
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Uh Uh.

1946
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 3: It sounds like everyone's sticking with white on this one,

1947
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 3: and everyone is correct. She was right.

1948
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: That reminded me. Did y'all watch Breaking Bad?

1949
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did, Karen did.

1950
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 5: I didn't watch it yet.

1951
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a couple there of meth heads who

1952
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: he was ended up getting. I think he was taking

1953
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: them hostage and they had kidding in the house, and

1954
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: one of them died very graphically with an arcade game

1955
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: on their head. But that just that's who I That's

1956
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: how I picture that house looking.

1957
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 3: That's you can't get drunk and there're somebody to shoot

1958
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 3: you no more at the handing them a gun. These days,

1959
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: what is happening? What is happening with us?

1960
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 5: Went to sleep, they woke up to arrest them.

1961
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 2: A Kentucky woman he was unbothered. She was honestly, she

1962
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 2: looked like she just got woke up. Like her face

1963
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: didn't look like damn, I'm going to it looked like, come.

1964
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: On, man, could I get like two more hours?

1965
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 2: A Kentucky woman is behind bars after setting her apartment

1966
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: building on fire because she faced eviction.

1967
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 5: I guess I can't stay here, can't nobody stay here.

1968
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: She's like they're kicking all of us out.

1969
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 5: Apparently they are.

1970
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: This is the new this is She's like, somebody around here,

1971
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,919
Speaker 2: got some apartment assurance?

1972
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean, let me get some. Elizabeth H. Elizabeth H.

1973
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Radmacher sixty eight or maybe Radmkers sixty.

1974
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 3: Eight, sixty eight sixty eight picture or now she was

1975
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 3: tired of. I feel like see how I feel like.

1976
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 5: The older you get, the less.

1977
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 3: Fucks you got, the less you can. I feel like

1978
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: you kick somebody at twenty one.

1979
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 2: Man, your whole life ahead, you might figure out how

1980
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: to bounce on your feet, find somewhere else to stay.

1981
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 3: Sixty eight man, dog, they not running my credit again.

1982
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 3: I don't got no deposits. This is it. I stay

1983
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: here forever now, or we all burn together. Apparently it's out.

1984
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: She messed out on the housing market when it was cheap,

1985
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: and what happened Everyone else around her bought all these houses,

1986
01:32:59,240 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: don't get one.

1987
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 3: She stays.

1988
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: Accused of arson, wanting, endangerment, and criminal mischief. The underlying

1989
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: incident occurred March fourteenth, around three am on the night

1990
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 2: in question. The woman set the multi unit structure alight

1991
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: according to the lights. According to arrest citation obtained by

1992
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: the Louisville based Fox affiliate WDRB and a criminal complaint

1993
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: affidavit from the Louisville Metro Arson Bureau, the defendant initially,

1994
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: I mean intentionally, started to fire in her bedroom, then

1995
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 2: left the building. As the flames licked and rose higher.

1996
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Other residents were forced to flee for their safety while

1997
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: people watch their building burn outside. Multiple witnesses and members

1998
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 2: of law enforces said they heard rod Maker say I'm

1999
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 2: gonna kill everybody.

2000
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 5: Oh no.

2001
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: She also said someone else made her set the blaze.

2002
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: That must have been after she had said I'm gonna

2003
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 2: kill everybody. She's like, I'm gonna kill everybody, and police, well,

2004
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,799
Speaker 2: then you got the right to remain. So she's like, actually,

2005
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean it was a did y'all see the man

2006
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 2: who did this? The secret arsonists. Let's see, she was

2007
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 2: being evicted during the during she was in the process

2008
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 2: of a viction when this start the fire started. I

2009
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: knock at the doors and told everybody to get out

2010
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 2: because the fire is coming.

2011
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 3: The neighbor said.

2012
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 2: The inferno created a risk the multiple residents, including the

2013
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 2: people that lived directly above her. Ooh, she wasn't on

2014
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,799
Speaker 2: the top floor at the time. Around eight other tenants

2015
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 2: who were home were forced to leave the building, so

2016
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: one person was transported to a nearby hospital as a

2017
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 2: result of the fire. In the end, it was controlled

2018
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 2: before it could spread far beyond her own unit. A

2019
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 2: total of twenty nine firefighters from two different departments spent

2020
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 2: nineteen minutes putting out. The fire is estimated to cause

2021
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 2: about one hundred thousand dollars in damage, and so most

2022
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: residents were able to come back without incident, but two

2023
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 2: were displaced due to damage from smoke and fire.

2024
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 3: So now they got to move. So all right, guess

2025
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 3: the race of Elizabeth h odd Mocker.

2026
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Elizabeth h I'm going I'm going white. You know me too, Okay,

2027
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm going white for the name. The name is the

2028
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: main thing I think. Yeah, she really messed up with that,

2029
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 1: was saying I'm going to kill everybody because fires can

2030
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: be accidental.

2031
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2032
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, she left no fucking room, like

2033
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 2: the arsonist didn't even need to go up to the apartment.

2034
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: She's like in the interview room like, oh, this was

2035
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: an absolutely accidental Yeah, exactly. What about What about when

2036
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: you said I was going to kill everybody? Well, I

2037
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: was gonna do that different in a different way.

2038
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I meant.

2039
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: I meant, oh no, I'm gonna kill everybody, Like it

2040
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 2: was a saying, but don't happen.

2041
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: Let's see the chat room says white, flame on white,

2042
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,759
Speaker 3: shout out the Fantastic four. I wanted to start the revolution,

2043
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 3: but also we didn't start the fire wood stock.

2044
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: Walked the white and then just white. The correct answer

2045
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: is everyone said the same thing and you all got

2046
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 2: it correct, right.

2047
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: I feel like these these names and locations. I mean,

2048
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: I understand this big black population both in Io in Kentucky,

2049
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Man, we're playing up the stereotypes here.

2050
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 3: She got she gotta look like she would burn some

2051
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 3: ship down.

2052
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: She does not look like she gives a ship.

2053
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2054
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: That picture says like you're gonna beg me. Okay, I

2055
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 2: guess everyone is on the street tonight. Okay, uh, let's

2056
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: go to the bonus round where things are everyone's two

2057
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: for two.

2058
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 3: So it's to double the racism version.

2059
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 7: Why I am racist?

2060
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 6: How can I be racist about anybody or anything in

2061
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 6: my life?

2062
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 3: How can I call them niggas?

2063
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Just call them niggas.

2064
01:36:53,200 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 4: It's high jumping, speed chucking three hundred and sixty degree basketball.

2065
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 2: All right, last one, guys, let's see who is this

2066
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 2: gonna end in a tie or is somebody gonna win?

2067
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 5: Okay?

2068
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 2: A twenty one year old man in Texas is accused

2069
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 2: of killing his own grandmother, allegedly gunning her down for

2070
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: withholding his allowance come on these are easy, before dragging

2071
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: her body out to the patio and covering her with

2072
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:40,839
Speaker 2: a blanket. Oh Ron Trell Jackson was taken into custody

2073
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 2: last week and charged with one count of murder in

2074
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,600
Speaker 2: the slaying of the sixty eight year old victim. Authorities

2075
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 2: did not release the identity of the victim. According to

2076
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 2: a news release from the Arlington Police Department, at four

2077
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: forty pm on Friday, officers responding to a call at

2078
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: an apartment complex of Carriage House Circle regarding an unresponsible

2079
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 2: woman found outside her front door. The collar was a

2080
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 2: family member who said they found the sexagenarian. That's a

2081
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 2: weird thing to put in this article, that she's yeah,

2082
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: she was sixty eight, sixty sex and six six and sex.

2083
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 3: But still, I just feel like there were other ways

2084
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 3: said that right.

2085
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 2: Sexagenarian on the plant. Sexygenarian sounds like.

2086
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 3: What the groupies for Jamarica I call themselves.

2087
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Sexygenarian on the patio with a blanket drap over her body.

2088
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 2: Emergency medical person that reached the scene a short while

2089
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 2: later determined she had been shot.

2090
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 3: She was pronounced dead at the scene. Guess the race

2091
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 3: of Ron Treill Jackson.

2092
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 6: I've got to go black based off of that name.

2093
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 6: An the name is giving you a strong black any

2094
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 6: white roun trails?

2095
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 5: Please forgive me.

2096
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Ryan, what about you?

2097
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go black, but attend all white school.

2098
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: The listen nature versus nurture is what they say. I

2099
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 2: want my allowance. Nana almost got me. But that name, well,

2100
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 2: that's not a guest. Okay, Rontreil Black, Okay, gotcha? What

2101
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,440
Speaker 2: in the Tyler Perry on BT.

2102
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 5: Series Black, that's hilarious.

2103
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: Kevin Samuel's disciple plot twist Black, the correct dancer is

2104
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: and everyone went with black on this one and everyone

2105
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: got it correct.

2106
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 3: And he was black?

2107
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: How old was he?

2108
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 3: He was twenty? I think twenty one, but let me

2109
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 3: just double check real quick.

2110
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 5: You shot, you shot your grandma?

2111
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 3: Twenty one?

2112
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: Money?

2113
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 6: Hey?

2114
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 3: You know what you don't? You don't look sorry either.

2115
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 5: That's a rough twenty.

2116
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 6: Ooh shall the wonder She probably told you no. She

2117
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 6: probably like, look, but I don't give you no more

2118
01:39:58,200 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 6: money to go out there and drink.

2119
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, you is. He needs to allow

2120
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 3: his money cares. He could see he need a haircut,

2121
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 3: a shave. What's he supposed to do without the allows money.

2122
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 2: That's I don't know if it's just the angle of

2123
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 2: the mugshot, but like, damn, he don't look sorry.

2124
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,440
Speaker 3: We had a lot of unsorry ass mugshots.

2125
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 5: Everybody all like, I do it again.

2126
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, just unrepentant criminality, all right. Last thing, of course

2127
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 2: is sword ratchetness. We gotta talk about that. Do our duty,

2128
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 2: all right?

2129
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 3: Did I do this one?

2130
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 2: A man arrested after threatening neighbor with sword uh Ape

2131
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 2: Coral police responded, Yeah, I definitely did this one because

2132
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 2: I couldn't decide if it was Cape Coral or Cape Corral.

2133
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 3: Next, there's so many guys. Don't worry. There's so many

2134
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 3: there's not You're not.

2135
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 5: Gonna run out of them.

2136
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 2: A man was arrested by armed officers after carrying a

2137
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 2: Samurai sword in the street in Leicester, Leikasshire.

2138
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 3: Police.

2139
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh, it's across the pond, said It was called at

2140
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: around ten twenty GMT.

2141
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 3: I have no deal with global. I don't know what

2142
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 3: that means. On Saturday, to several reports of.

2143
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: A man acting suspiciously on Alstone Road near Saffron Lane,

2144
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 2: the force said the man was walking along the main

2145
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: road with the sword. The thirty six year old man

2146
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: was the table. Police for lanes in custody. Nobody was hurt.

2147
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 2: Police say thanks to the public for the swift response

2148
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 2: because they called us and we were able to get

2149
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 2: him out of there with no harm brought to anybody.

2150
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: But just walking down the street with the sword. Guys,

2151
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 2: that's what we got going on. Across the pond. The

2152
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: home sores, you know, I'm sure they probably don't mind it.

2153
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: That's where the Game of Thrones all happen.

2154
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 3: Ryan, tell the folks like where the farm? Do you

2155
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 3: how to support you? Like all that stuff.

2156
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: Man, Man, we are at Queen City nerve on every

2157
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: social media platform. I am at at Ryan Pitkin on threads.

2158
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: I've been threatening lately. I know that we've been major

2159
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: Twitter people for a long time and Twitter mutuals, but uh,

2160
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: I still get on Twitter. Here's here's my thing. I

2161
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: find threads to be pretty entertaining. I think it's pretty cool.

2162
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: It's not like so, you know how Blue Sky has

2163
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: a has a reputation for being so sensitive and silly,

2164
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: like everyone gets offended. It's not quite like that, But

2165
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: I will just say that it's just not as funny

2166
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: like nobody's getting the jokes off there on Twitter, I.

2167
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 3: Feel he's been on the fence.

2168
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 2: They're also like Threads, bluest all the places everybody like

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Speaker 2: read to from Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't blame them. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 2: I was born in the nuclear wasteland of Twitter, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to stay there. That's my your No, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna die there. But I try to reach out, to

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Speaker 2: reach out to the other places. And what I always

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Speaker 2: find is that everyone is mean, but they're mean to

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Speaker 2: the two different people. So like like wh're like on

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Speaker 2: Twitter is like, you know, like, uh, it's mean, it's funny,

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Speaker 2: it's this, that and the other. Over over on threads

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Speaker 2: and ship they gotta be It's like, don't you come

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Speaker 2: over here with no bullshit?

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Speaker 3: So sometimes I had, you know, I'm funny.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it is some bullshit that I say and uh,

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Speaker 2: it's not like anything edgy or controversial, but it just

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Speaker 2: don't it don't work.

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Speaker 3: The same over there.

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Speaker 2: Like like my my music stole Child joke did so

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Speaker 2: much better on Twitter than threads. When I call Jack

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Speaker 2: Harlow that and uh, and it just like on threads,

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Speaker 2: it's just like you don't get they got there to

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Speaker 2: laugh if I now if I would have wrote, if

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Speaker 2: I would have wrote like a seven page like seven

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Speaker 2: posts like Jack Carlow is uh is uh still in

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Speaker 2: our music, which is a tradition of the white American artist.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I would have did numbers. But I

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Speaker 3: don't go over there to be serious. I'm sorry, No,

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Speaker 3: you're good.

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Speaker 1: I think Threads is good for like local discourse as

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Speaker 1: opposed to Twitter. Twitter is good nationally because you're not

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Speaker 1: tagging Charlotte and everything you do. True. Yeah, so I'm

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Speaker 1: sort of been balancing on the fence between the two lately,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what I'm doing. But anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: at Pitkin underscore Ryan on Twitter. I'm at Ryan Pitkin

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Speaker 1: on Threads, Queen City Nerve just no spaces, no nothing

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Speaker 1: on all of the platforms, and that's where you just

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Speaker 1: go to QC nerve dot com. Hit up memberships if

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Speaker 1: you guys can support it's been a rough last year.

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Speaker 1: We have all sorts of membership tiers. We appreciate your

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Speaker 1: support so we can keep telling me stories for sure.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, make y'all support and wherever you're at, support your.

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Speaker 3: Local uh independent paper.

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Speaker 2: If you're lucky enough to still have one where if

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Speaker 2: you stay one, because uh, this is how these things

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Speaker 2: go away, you know. You just everybody's got the look

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Speaker 2: in the other way and it's like, ship, I missed them.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: For me, that was creative loafing. I was just like,

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Speaker 3: what the fuck? Just I'm like, did there not? Was

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Speaker 3: there not a creative loafing?

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Speaker 5: Y'all?

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Speaker 3: Did y'all ran out this month? It's like there isn't

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Speaker 3: one sit down. I hate to tell you this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure y'all support man and we appreciate you Ryan,

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Speaker 2: and uh we'll definitely have to have you back on again.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: It's super fun, man.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Hey, fly me out for the Vegas taping.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'll be there, okay, Yeah, yeah, no problem. I'll

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Speaker 2: just all right to check today.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all, we'll be back. We'll be back Saturday

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Speaker 3: for feedback. Until next time, I love you,