WEBVTT - Ep2: Breathe. Think. Relax. 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.040 Class action is a production of I Heart Radio and 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.400 sound argument. All right, where are we going? So we 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.360 are heading over to the courtroom. The only way to 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.759 get through it is through this pestle door with a 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.000 special key, and you have to go kind of through 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.920 mosquito allity to get there. But it doesn't matter because 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.840 we're going to get there. Justice BILS coach A. J. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.960 Blito de Luna is preparing the mock court room on 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.000 campus for today's exam. I don't remember which key. It 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:48.360 is not that one. M that's weird. It does look 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.800 like they did something to the lock. Well that it's 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.400 clearly a problem. Just to relax to deep breath, all right, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:11.600 claim me find the king. So apparently at some point 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.560 someone decided to change the lot to the back door 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.960 of the courtroom and nobody has a key. If I 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.880 want to give the kids the courtroom experience, they've earned it. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:25.840 I want them to have the majesty of the court, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:31.000 the judge sitting perched on her chair, and the witness 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.720 in the box and the jury in the room. I 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.800 want to give them that. I think they've earned it. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.800 Today is the final day of boot camp for the 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.520 second year law students. Trying out for the St. Mary's 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.920 University mock trial team. By eight am, students are climbing 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.320 out of their trucks and family cars. They're dressed for action. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:59.320 Harris cut nails are done. It's a hundred degrees outside 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.600 and even hotter inside the black and gray suits of 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.600 the law courts. This is class action. I'm Katie Fang. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.040 In just an hour or so, these students will speak 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.200 for the very first time in the courtroom. They're going 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.560 to address the judge, conduct a cross examination, refresh a witness, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:36.200 enter evidence. But for now, they pace, They mutter their lines. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.840 They look up to the heavens. I pray, asked the 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.120 Lord to help me bring back to remembers the things 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:53.919 that I've studied episode two. Breathe think relax. That's because 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.880 you can't ask me to bring stuff that you never study, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.760 because it's not gonna drop off the sky. I mean, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.919 we're going to find out today whether or not we 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.800 push them too hard and too far? Did I do 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.760 too much with them? That's what that's on me. Right. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.359 So they're in their final exam. I'm in my final exam. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.120 Did I push them too hard? Are they going to 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.800 be able to do all the things that we tried 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.280 to instill in them for this year. Good afternoon, how 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.320 are you doing today? Don't ask how they're doing. No 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.280 one wants to be in court sogesse good morning or 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:31.560 good morning? Yeah, good looking? At what quick question? Would 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.880 you do that with your own witness? I never asked 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.160 us someone's dealing. Just look. The imposter syndrome is alive 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.800 and well in this group, isn't it. We've seen it 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:47.640 all week long that they're continually second guessing themselves, and 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.560 it's inherent in our profession to begin with. Do I belong? 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.000 Should I be here? Should I be on this team? 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.000 Is it right for me? I think for me it's 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.280 kind of project team my voice more. But I think 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.320 once I'm in there, I'll be I'll be okay with that. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.080 I drew a blank yesterday when we were practiced things. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.119 So I just hope it doesn't happen to fake. None 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.240 of them have done this before. This is the first week. 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.719 It's a culmination of the first week. Nerves are going 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.680 to get to a bunch of them. So some of 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.400 them who you thought were going to do great are 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.800 going to fall flat on their face. Some people who 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.600 had struggled, had a lightbulb go off last night, and 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.320 are going to do fantastic. Everyone else is going to 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:42.159 be in the middle. My credit card. Yeah Coldabula is 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:47.320 a third year law student trying out for the first time. Yeah, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.600 he's a serious young man. He wants to be a 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.200 jag lawyer for the Air Force. Cole has a certain 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.920 kind of earnestness that comes across in a good way. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.920 He competed on the Mood Court team last year arguing 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.880 case law only, but now he hopes to find a 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:08.000 new home with a trial team. Um So just kind 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:09.839 of it's something you gotta suck up and go through. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.719 You know, nothing's easy, So do your do your duty 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.160 to your team and go forward, just sort of knowing 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 it's it's something I have to get done to, you know, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.279 not only get a grade, but myself it's part of 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.160 the team and show everybody what I'm capable of doing. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.760 It's unfortunately I've had the equivalent to about fifteen hours 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.040 of classes plus some work on the side as well 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:39.760 all summer, so I've really had a break, very busy. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.320 Aside from objections, if we miss any question or if 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.719 we forget to approach a pusson council or something. Are 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.200 you guys gonna say no, like how when we were practicing. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.920 Are you probably get called out for it? Okay, right, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:58.120 council probably say your honor. I haven't seen that document. Okay, right, okay, Um, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.800 just stop and think great, stop and think right breed, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.920 stop and think yeah. No. I will definitely be tough 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.800 on them. You'll see, I mean, I won't be smiling. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.240 I will you know that that isn't gonna happen. I 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.839 mean it's going to be very very serious and see 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.360 how they react to that. That's part of it as well. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.440 But at the end you're also going to see that 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:24.280 fatherly love of telling them they belong, you know. Sometimes 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.880 going into a nerve wracking situation, I'll listen to music. Obviously. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.960 Right now it's been a little difficult to do that. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.960 Big Andrea B. Butchelly fan, So I'd like to go 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.480 to any one of his songs, you know, to kind 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.000 of calm me down and relax me. In the event 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.640 that it's not available, to also pray um and so 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.240 that helps calm me down a lot too. So I 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:53.640 will usually recite a Helm Marry or two. Okay, Dean 0:06:53.720 --> 0:07:01.720 with real students. Congratulations, I'm so excited. You guys look 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.960 so professional. You're ready, right? Will you take the picture 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.080 with them? Oh? Wait? Do you want to get the middle? 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.120 Oh wait, wait, wait, you want to stay in the 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.080 middle like you can stand up? I don't know what 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:27.360 to say, objection, I don't thank you. I am Patricia Roberts. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:32.680 I am the Dean and Charles E. Canto, Distinguished Professor 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:37.600 of Law at St. Mary's University, School of Law at St. Mary's. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.920 Because our advocacy program is so successful, it plays a 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.720 very significant role in the law school in that the 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.720 students who take part in it devote tremendous time to it, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.560 but it is a marvelous compliment to what they're learning 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.040 in the classroom and what they're learning from the written 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:02.800 advocacy portion of their legal education curriculum. We attract people 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:08.480 who are drawn to providing justice, to increasing access to justice, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:14.480 and we're also increasing access to the profession for underrepresented individuals. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:19.160 Where Hispanic serving institution, majority of our students are of 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:25.120 Hispanic or Latina descent. We also have a tremendous population 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.760 of first generation students. We are proud to be breaking 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.320 ground in many of the graduates we have in their 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.880 families and in their communities, in providing additional access to 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.760 the profession to those who will then pay it forward 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:50.520 to those they represent. Breathe by relax. We have been 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:56.600 together all week. None of us fight. We don't scream. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:02.560 Might be stern, but we don't scream. Right, you're going 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.719 to mess up. I promise you. You're going to make 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.640 a mistake. It's what you do when you make that mistake. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:16.560 Do you stop breathe, think and then speak, or do 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:22.000 you give up? None of you will give up, None 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:27.760 of you will. You will make a mistake. Relax, Breathe, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.680 I think, speak. You're gonna try to get a piece 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.440 of evidence, and if you don't get it in right, 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.120 you know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be an objection 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.719 improper foundation. What does that tell you? Get it wrong? 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.880 You didn't follow the steps right. We're gonna keep going. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.120 We're not gonna lie. You're not gonna hide the ball. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.360 We're not gonna say, oh my god, you wonderful. We're 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.360 not gonna do that right. Our job is to correct 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.440 you constantly, to make sure that we get it right. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.880 And when you get it right, we're gonna get it better. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:01.760 And when you get it better, we're gonna get a 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.840 more better. That's why Marine Corps talking there. Right, Um, 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.800 have fun with this, have far with this. It's a 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:19.320 great day. It's graduation day, right, congraduation from boot camp day. Yeah. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.240 I mean, at the end of the day, this is 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.960 still practice. Um, you want to do well because it's 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.360 affirming all the work that you've put in all week. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.600 But at the same time, for many of us, all 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.440 of us really this is the first time we've ever 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.120 done this, and so I've put on the work all 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.160 week long. I'm confident in my ability to at least 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.640 go out there, and so that's that's just what I'm 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.959 hoping is going to carry me through this. There are 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.880 surprises in there. So it's really just the I keep 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.120 telling myself, like the whole keep calm, carry on, because 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:04.160 if I don't, then you know, just my just might crumble. Ready, Yeah, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:13.120 all right, thank you, thank you. Oh my god, you 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.560 could see their faces, right, they're nervous. Oh my god, 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:21.760 they're so nervous. Get them to calm down. Remember, people 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.560 that go through first have the geaser and the people 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.840 will go last. Check them make sure that they look 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.280 right and say something you look great, and then send 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.959 them out. Encourage them. We want them to succeed. Right, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.600 you ready my words of advice, just stay home free. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.599 I think things through. You know that you'll get a 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.599 passing grade as long as you refresh interpeace evidence to 0:11:54.880 --> 0:12:11.120 breathe be yourself here for a reason. Okay, can you 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.480 stay your name? My name is Cary Crawford. Okay, and 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.959 you may begin your cross whenever you're ready. Good afternoon. Today, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:25.960 on direct testimony, you testified that you could recognize the 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.240 suspect that robbed you. Thank all right over there robbed 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.520 me and Veronica j of our stuff. I was very afraid, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.120 and you're sure about that. There's no doubt in my mind. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:41.000 Just as clear as it was that night, your honor, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:46.439 my approach the witness. You may this is just when 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.679 marked defense Exhibit one for identification purposes. I am going 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:56.960 to read the fifth row and you can just listen 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.760 and look at it silently. This has not been admitted 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:08.080 in evidence. You can't read that. I'm sorry, okay. Earlier 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.800 we reviewed this document together and you read your name 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:17.720 on the bottom. The document from the government says your 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.840 name is not Bobby C. It says it's an alias. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.240 You are not truthful when conducting business with the police. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.360 I was very truthful. My name is Bobby C. Immediately 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.520 after that incident, I had my name officially changed. Obviously 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:39.480 is my correct name as of August two thousand. In 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.760 the court of law, we can only go by the 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:48.960 evidence that's admitted and the record, So I'll stick with 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.520 the evidence that's admitted on the government document. I'm going 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.720 to stop. I'm gonna stop you. You're on a fishing 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:03.080 expedition to nowhere, enter the the dents. This is something 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.600 that you are going to have to understand. We are 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.800 going to help you to stay away from things that 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.280 are called rabbit holes. I take it. You know what 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.600 a rabbit hole looks like. Yes, you can never get out. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:22.320 And what's in the bottom of there nothing poop? Right, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.000 Rabbits live in the rabbit hole and they poop. When 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:27.880 you go down to the rabbit hole, You're going down 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.840 to a barrel of poop. You keep trying to do 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.560 it a different way, and and that's gonna just put 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.800 you behind. I need you to trust me so as 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.120 much as work, and I could tell how much work 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.240 you put into this. Thank you for the effort, but 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.920 you didn't do what I asked you to do. Over 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.960 the next eight hours, a line of nervous law students 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.920 walk down Mosquito Alley to court, only to run into 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.320 a buzz saw in the witness chair. Relax for a second, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.520 take a deep breath. Your questions are imperfect. It allows 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.400 me to run around on you. You know what you 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.040 want to do, and you want me to do it, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.680 but you didn't ask your questions that way. You took 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.680 too many leaps in between. One other thing I want 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.840 to cover with you. You're standing in the wrong place. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.800 There's a juror way over there. There's a juror there, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.800 and there, and there and there, and all of them 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.040 had your back to them. Don't turn your back to 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.640 the jury ever again. That's the last time you're going 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.040 to do that. It is, in some cultures, the most 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.200 disrespectful thing you can do. Right. I agree. I don't 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.960 know what you're crying because you did great, But it 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.360 was like the final like the relief, right, yeah, hurt, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.560 it's hot. And then I have one other in this comment. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.760 You're gonna hate. You can't stand like that anymore. I 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.000 know my shoes broken. I don't care that stuff happens. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.520 You cannot cross your legs like that. You are sending 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.040 a message to the jury that everything you're saying is 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.000 not worth listening to. You cannot do that. You have 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.960 a broken shoe, fight through it, you have a bunyan, 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.320 fight through it. You were fighting through the other stuff. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.880 But you're nonverbal. Was saying, don't listen to me. Does 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:27.280 that make sense? So I'm gonna caution you about overacting. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.680 So there was a little over the top. I think 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:35.800 that's that's that's the nervousness. And when you're as smart 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.000 as you are, when you pay attention to detail like 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.440 you do, you don't have to act as much as 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:47.080 I do. You were testifying through your actions and your words, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.760 the phrasing of those little statements that were coming out 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.400 and two and go along with the body movement. What 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.440 you were saying was I'm a liar, Like yeah, no 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:12.280 one believes to shut up liar, m This is Jared Hall. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.480 A statement means an oral assertion, Britain assertion, or any 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.200 other non verbal conduct if you intended at the assertion. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.080 He was called out by a j for talking like 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.280 a farmer. During the early days of boot camp, a 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.639 team member said Jared's voice reminded him of corn bread. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.480 I have no idea what you just said. Everything that 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.520 you just said is like over my head. I'm not 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:41.040 a lawyer. Let's take a step back. Mr C. You 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:47.639 called nine one one on August twenty nine, and you 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:52.200 gave on statements as part of your calling him. No, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.359 I'm not going to call that statements. I made a 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.480 phone call. They asked me some questions. I answered them. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.640 Mr C, there's a copy. If you're not won one call, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.840 Please read silently as I read a loud line thirteen 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:13.480 and fourteen operator, What did they take collar my wallet, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.600 my friends purse. They have all our credit cards in cash. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.600 They also have her phone. Okay, isn't that what I said? 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.360 Mr C? Did I read that correctly? You're a good reader. Soon, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:40.280 no further questions. You're on m The more I pished 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.760 you off, the better you get. Now you're going on 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.320 some fishing. Look, you're you're on such a fishing expedition. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.520 I do a fishing rod with a reel. As soon 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.480 as we fixed your fishing expeditions, you're gonna be all right, man. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.920 I did everything I could to just screw you up, 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.199 and I screwed you up a little bit, but not 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.760 that much. That impeachment when you didn't ask that one 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.280 more question. When you walked away with the police report, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:13.000 you got what you needed, so that was perfect. What 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.760 was the problem with the police report? You kept trying 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.160 to impeach me on your on your guy doing it right? 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.439 So what did I keep doing? Uh? Kept giving me 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.600 a hard time about it? And I also appreciate that 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.280 you try to change your presence in the room. Now 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:34.959 we still got a little bit of that you know 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.440 thing going on, but I'm okay with it. Don't kill 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:45.280 yourself when you're doing good? Makes sense? All right? Good job? 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.800 And is this done in a group setting? A j 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.200 Is this the entire group together? It's an open, constructively 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.919 critical station. It is, Katie, and it has to be. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.920 And the reason why is that a lesson for one 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.240 is a lesson for all. If I have to teach this, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.439 if I have to go through that with every single person, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.080 I don't want everybody crying. I don't want anybody crying. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.919 There's no crying. And trial ads that what you're thinking 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.480 trying and trial saying come on. Can you imagine when 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.040 the judge admonishes you in a court and you start crying. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.160 I've been admonished by judges. I'm sure you've been admonished 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.600 by judges there. I don't think there's a lawyer alive 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.320 who isn't admonished by a judge at some point in 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.520 their career. The last thing you can start doing is crying. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.600 So you might as well get admonished right now, so 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.960 that you get used to being admonished when you do 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:52.000 something that you shouldn't be doing. Hello, turn in your 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.720 stuff to a j Please state your name Vanessa Skillman, okay, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.280 and you moved cross whenever you're ready, Mr she I 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.080 am showing you. It has been previously marked as defense 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.320 Exhibit one for identification purposes. Do you recognize this exhibit? 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.480 This is your credit card. You're able to identify this 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.119 as your credit card because of your name on the 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:19.119 bottom left. This credit card is the same or substantially 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.280 similar to the last time you saw this credit card. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.720 Much from the police report, from what was stated on 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.160 the evidence collected from officer Yes, sir, right, the only 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.600 item that was obtained was a credit card. Two credit 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:42.879 cards to credit cards no further questions. All right, stop, 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.000 I need you to pass. You didn't enter, Oh my god, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:55.320 staying character, You've done great. Can go through the process 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:59.119 of entering in a piece of evidence. You're Mary. Approach 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:03.720 the clerk. You might thanks, um, I would like to 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.360 have this preliminary marked as defense Exhibit one for identification purposes, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.760 Your honor, I request that the evidence previously marked. Does 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.840 defense Exhibit one for identification purposes be entered into evidence 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:23.720 as defense exhibit one? Any objections, it is so admitted, 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:34.920 your honor may published with the jury. You may, Hey, Vanessa, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.800 I learned something about you today. I'm so stressed. I 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:43.120 learned something about you today. I didn't know you've been 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.760 perfect all so. I was always going to be difficult 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.320 with you. I wanted to see how far I could 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:53.720 push you. You are so focused on just getting done 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.320 that you're not listening. In the first half I had 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:02.560 said to a bunch of questions, what's on the recording? 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.960 Then on the second half I said m hm m 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:12.400 hm hm to about five questions. It was four or five, 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.679 I don't remember. I haven't told Karen. I was like, 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.760 he's gonna say, and I need to go. Is that 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:21.800 a yes, and so the record is not clear there, right. Listen, Vanessa, 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.080 I think it's clear that every single coach and every 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:29.800 single three y'all sees a potential superstar in you. If 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.720 you don't stop and listen, and if you don't believe 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:38.400 that you need help to get great, we'll never get 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.919 there with you. You need to hear us, do what 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.920 we ask, pay attention to what you're doing when you're 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.840 doing it. When you go to the Army Air Force, 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.560 Air Force, forgive me paying attention what you're saying. You 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.879 will one day go back and remember this statement that 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.560 I just gave to you. It's going to serve you well. 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:10.040 And the fact that you cried tells me that you care. Normally, 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:12.959 I would say, like generally my role in life is like, 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.240 you don't practice until you get it perfect. You practice 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.040 until you don't get it wrong. Andy Viscarra is a 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.399 third year law student and the child team captain. So 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.760 you can do it in your sleep. But I think 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.560 at the stage that they're at, yes, you can over 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.200 practice because then they're just thinking about what's the next 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:31.800 step and making sure they don't make the next step, 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.560 and they're not listening to the witness. UM, and that's 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.359 a mistake we all made when we started training for 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.480 this because you're just you're you're doing you your own show, 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.399 which is fine, but if you're not listening to the witness, 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.639 it's it's never gonna work. You. You practice until you 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.439 can't get it wrong, until it's impossible. But yeah, at 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:54.920 their stage, there's definitely over practicing, Like confidence is everything. Yeah, 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.959 after a long wait, which incidentally gave her enough time 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.800 to drive home and walk her dog, Genesis, Sealinas is 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:09.160 a bundle of nerves. I'm a try a lot, very 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:13.200 emotional sensitive any times it's about this trial, Like it's 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:17.639 just like it gets very cracking. It's okay though I'm excited, 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.040 but I'm like overthinking everything that they could bring up 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.119 that I don't feel prepared for. And honestly, like you're 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.520 probably going taking your dogs out was like a great 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:29.160 mental break to kind of step away and because people 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.440 have been here all day like overthinking and read playing 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.800 and playing, so that you had that time to get 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:47.280 some air. Oh yeah, I'm gonna telling you. Okay, thanks, Okay, 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:49.880 so do you have the documents that you get had 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:53.439 to Um, you can't really tell you what to expect, 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:57.119 other than be calm, be competent. You know the packet, 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.960 breathe something on expect. He comes up a minute on 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:11.640 your feet. Um, and he's also your court reporter. Okay, 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.639 You're gonna stand where you feel comfortable, but you should 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:22.280 you should be closer to your ladies. Whenever you're ready, 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:27.720 state your name, okay. I am Jenesis Sellieness okay, and 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:32.760 you may begin your across whenever you're ready. Mr C. 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:40.200 On August, you went out for drinks. I can't remember 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:45.480 if it was. It might have been the thirtieth. I 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.800 don't remember I was drinking. I would see a copy 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.320 of transcript helped refresh your memory. If it has a 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:58.399 date on it, it it probably would. I am showing opposing councel. 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:04.440 Count Oh, I'm I am showing opposing counsel the transcript, 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.639 your honor, May I approach the witness? You may? I 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:17.680 am handing the witness the transcript, specifically referencing the very 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.640 top header. Please look over the document carefully and look 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:26.520 up at me when your memory has been refreshed. I 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:31.400 am handy the witness Defense Exhibit one for identification purposes. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:38.920 You recognize this document I just handed you the City 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.879 of San Antonio rap sheet report. I'm a little I 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.920 don't know why she's here. I'm a little freaked out. 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.800 Did you look at the rap sheet? I'm sorry, what 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:55.360 do you want me? If you could please look? If 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:59.520 you could please look at the rap sheet? You recognize 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.399 this sheet? No, I've never seen this before in my life. 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:13.240 I'm retrieving the document from the witness, Mr c. This 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:20.440 credit card was retrieved from the defendants. UM, I'm assuming 0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.720 that's true. You have to ask, offer sand Lopo. This 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.960 is your credit card. It is my credit card. No 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.920 further questions, Ron, I think right about now, the people 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.720 that went first or like thinking, boy, I'm glad I 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:41.040 went first and not and not last. Um, because we 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.000