1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Class action is a production of I Heart Radio and 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: sound argument. All right, where are we going? So we 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: are heading over to the courtroom. The only way to 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: get through it is through this pestle door with a 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: special key, and you have to go kind of through 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: mosquito allity to get there. But it doesn't matter because 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: we're going to get there. Justice BILS coach A. J. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: Blito de Luna is preparing the mock court room on 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: campus for today's exam. I don't remember which key. It 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: is not that one. M that's weird. It does look 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: like they did something to the lock. Well that it's 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: clearly a problem. Just to relax to deep breath, all right, 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: claim me find the king. So apparently at some point 14 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: someone decided to change the lot to the back door 15 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: of the courtroom and nobody has a key. If I 16 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: want to give the kids the courtroom experience, they've earned it. 17 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: I want them to have the majesty of the court, 18 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: the judge sitting perched on her chair, and the witness 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: in the box and the jury in the room. I 20 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: want to give them that. I think they've earned it. 21 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Today is the final day of boot camp for the 22 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: second year law students. Trying out for the St. Mary's 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: University mock trial team. By eight am, students are climbing 24 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: out of their trucks and family cars. They're dressed for action. 25 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Harris cut nails are done. It's a hundred degrees outside 26 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: and even hotter inside the black and gray suits of 27 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the law courts. This is class action. I'm Katie Fang. 28 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: In just an hour or so, these students will speak 29 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: for the very first time in the courtroom. They're going 30 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: to address the judge, conduct a cross examination, refresh a witness, 31 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: enter evidence. But for now, they pace, They mutter their lines. 32 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: They look up to the heavens. I pray, asked the 33 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: Lord to help me bring back to remembers the things 34 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: that I've studied episode two. Breathe think relax. That's because 35 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: you can't ask me to bring stuff that you never study, 36 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: because it's not gonna drop off the sky. I mean, 37 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: we're going to find out today whether or not we 38 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: push them too hard and too far? Did I do 39 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: too much with them? That's what that's on me. Right. 40 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: So they're in their final exam. I'm in my final exam. 41 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: Did I push them too hard? Are they going to 42 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: be able to do all the things that we tried 43 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: to instill in them for this year. Good afternoon, how 44 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: are you doing today? Don't ask how they're doing. No 45 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: one wants to be in court sogesse good morning or 46 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: good morning? Yeah, good looking? At what quick question? Would 47 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: you do that with your own witness? I never asked 48 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: us someone's dealing. Just look. The imposter syndrome is alive 49 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: and well in this group, isn't it. We've seen it 50 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: all week long that they're continually second guessing themselves, and 51 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: it's inherent in our profession to begin with. Do I belong? 52 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Should I be here? Should I be on this team? 53 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Is it right for me? I think for me it's 54 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: kind of project team my voice more. But I think 55 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: once I'm in there, I'll be I'll be okay with that. 56 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: I drew a blank yesterday when we were practiced things. 57 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: So I just hope it doesn't happen to fake. None 58 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of them have done this before. This is the first week. 59 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: It's a culmination of the first week. Nerves are going 60 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to get to a bunch of them. So some of 61 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: them who you thought were going to do great are 62 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: going to fall flat on their face. Some people who 63 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: had struggled, had a lightbulb go off last night, and 64 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: are going to do fantastic. Everyone else is going to 65 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: be in the middle. My credit card. Yeah Coldabula is 66 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: a third year law student trying out for the first time. Yeah, 67 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: he's a serious young man. He wants to be a 68 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: jag lawyer for the Air Force. Cole has a certain 69 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of earnestness that comes across in a good way. 70 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: He competed on the Mood Court team last year arguing 71 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: case law only, but now he hopes to find a 72 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: new home with a trial team. Um So just kind 73 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: of it's something you gotta suck up and go through. 74 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: You know, nothing's easy, So do your do your duty 75 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: to your team and go forward, just sort of knowing 76 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: it's it's something I have to get done to, you know, 77 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: not only get a grade, but myself it's part of 78 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: the team and show everybody what I'm capable of doing. 79 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately I've had the equivalent to about fifteen hours 80 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: of classes plus some work on the side as well 81 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: all summer, so I've really had a break, very busy. 82 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: Aside from objections, if we miss any question or if 83 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: we forget to approach a pusson council or something. Are 84 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: you guys gonna say no, like how when we were practicing. 85 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Are you probably get called out for it? Okay, right, 86 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: council probably say your honor. I haven't seen that document. Okay, right, okay, Um, 87 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: just stop and think great, stop and think right breed, 88 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: stop and think yeah. No. I will definitely be tough 89 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: on them. You'll see, I mean, I won't be smiling. 90 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: I will you know that that isn't gonna happen. I 91 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: mean it's going to be very very serious and see 92 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: how they react to that. That's part of it as well. 93 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: But at the end you're also going to see that 94 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: fatherly love of telling them they belong, you know. Sometimes 95 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: going into a nerve wracking situation, I'll listen to music. Obviously. 96 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: Right now it's been a little difficult to do that. 97 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Big Andrea B. Butchelly fan, So I'd like to go 98 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: to any one of his songs, you know, to kind 99 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: of calm me down and relax me. In the event 100 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: that it's not available, to also pray um and so 101 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: that helps calm me down a lot too. So I 102 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: will usually recite a Helm Marry or two. Okay, Dean 103 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: with real students. Congratulations, I'm so excited. You guys look 104 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: so professional. You're ready, right? Will you take the picture 105 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: with them? Oh? Wait? Do you want to get the middle? 106 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, wait, you want to stay in the 107 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: middle like you can stand up? I don't know what 108 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: to say, objection, I don't thank you. I am Patricia Roberts. 109 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: I am the Dean and Charles E. Canto, Distinguished Professor 110 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: of Law at St. Mary's University, School of Law at St. Mary's. 111 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Because our advocacy program is so successful, it plays a 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: very significant role in the law school in that the 113 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: students who take part in it devote tremendous time to it, 114 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: but it is a marvelous compliment to what they're learning 115 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: in the classroom and what they're learning from the written 116 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: advocacy portion of their legal education curriculum. We attract people 117 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: who are drawn to providing justice, to increasing access to justice, 118 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: and we're also increasing access to the profession for underrepresented individuals. 119 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Where Hispanic serving institution, majority of our students are of 120 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Hispanic or Latina descent. We also have a tremendous population 121 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: of first generation students. We are proud to be breaking 122 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: ground in many of the graduates we have in their 123 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: families and in their communities, in providing additional access to 124 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: the profession to those who will then pay it forward 125 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: to those they represent. Breathe by relax. We have been 126 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: together all week. None of us fight. We don't scream. 127 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Might be stern, but we don't scream. Right, you're going 128 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: to mess up. I promise you. You're going to make 129 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: a mistake. It's what you do when you make that mistake. 130 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Do you stop breathe, think and then speak, or do 131 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: you give up? None of you will give up, None 132 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: of you will. You will make a mistake. Relax, Breathe, 133 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I think, speak. You're gonna try to get a piece 134 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: of evidence, and if you don't get it in right, 135 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be an objection 136 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: improper foundation. What does that tell you? Get it wrong? 137 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: You didn't follow the steps right. We're gonna keep going. 138 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: We're not gonna lie. You're not gonna hide the ball. 139 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: We're not gonna say, oh my god, you wonderful. We're 140 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: not gonna do that right. Our job is to correct 141 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: you constantly, to make sure that we get it right. 142 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: And when you get it right, we're gonna get it better. 143 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: And when you get it better, we're gonna get a 144 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: more better. That's why Marine Corps talking there. Right, Um, 145 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: have fun with this, have far with this. It's a 146 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: great day. It's graduation day, right, congraduation from boot camp day. Yeah. 147 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, this is 148 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: still practice. Um, you want to do well because it's 149 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: affirming all the work that you've put in all week. 150 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: But at the same time, for many of us, all 151 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: of us really this is the first time we've ever 152 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: done this, and so I've put on the work all 153 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: week long. I'm confident in my ability to at least 154 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: go out there, and so that's that's just what I'm 155 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: hoping is going to carry me through this. There are 156 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: surprises in there. So it's really just the I keep 157 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: telling myself, like the whole keep calm, carry on, because 158 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: if I don't, then you know, just my just might crumble. Ready, Yeah, 159 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: all right, thank you, thank you. Oh my god, you 160 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: could see their faces, right, they're nervous. Oh my god, 161 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: they're so nervous. Get them to calm down. Remember, people 162 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: that go through first have the geaser and the people 163 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: will go last. Check them make sure that they look 164 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: right and say something you look great, and then send 165 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: them out. Encourage them. We want them to succeed. Right, 166 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: you ready my words of advice, just stay home free. 167 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: I think things through. You know that you'll get a 168 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: passing grade as long as you refresh interpeace evidence to 169 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: breathe be yourself here for a reason. Okay, can you 170 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: stay your name? My name is Cary Crawford. Okay, and 171 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: you may begin your cross whenever you're ready. Good afternoon. Today, 172 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: on direct testimony, you testified that you could recognize the 173 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: suspect that robbed you. Thank all right over there robbed 174 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: me and Veronica j of our stuff. I was very afraid, 175 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and you're sure about that. There's no doubt in my mind. 176 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Just as clear as it was that night, your honor, 177 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: my approach the witness. You may this is just when 178 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: marked defense Exhibit one for identification purposes. I am going 179 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: to read the fifth row and you can just listen 180 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: and look at it silently. This has not been admitted 181 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: in evidence. You can't read that. I'm sorry, okay. Earlier 182 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: we reviewed this document together and you read your name 183 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: on the bottom. The document from the government says your 184 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: name is not Bobby C. It says it's an alias. 185 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: You are not truthful when conducting business with the police. 186 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: I was very truthful. My name is Bobby C. Immediately 187 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: after that incident, I had my name officially changed. Obviously 188 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: is my correct name as of August two thousand. In 189 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: the court of law, we can only go by the 190 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: evidence that's admitted and the record, So I'll stick with 191 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: the evidence that's admitted on the government document. I'm going 192 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: to stop. I'm gonna stop you. You're on a fishing 193 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: expedition to nowhere, enter the the dents. This is something 194 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: that you are going to have to understand. We are 195 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: going to help you to stay away from things that 196 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: are called rabbit holes. I take it. You know what 197 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole looks like. Yes, you can never get out. 198 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: And what's in the bottom of there nothing poop? Right, 199 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Rabbits live in the rabbit hole and they poop. When 200 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you go down to the rabbit hole, You're going down 201 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: to a barrel of poop. You keep trying to do 202 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: it a different way, and and that's gonna just put 203 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: you behind. I need you to trust me so as 204 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: much as work, and I could tell how much work 205 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: you put into this. Thank you for the effort, but 206 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: you didn't do what I asked you to do. Over 207 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: the next eight hours, a line of nervous law students 208 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: walk down Mosquito Alley to court, only to run into 209 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: a buzz saw in the witness chair. Relax for a second, 210 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: take a deep breath. Your questions are imperfect. It allows 211 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: me to run around on you. You know what you 212 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: want to do, and you want me to do it, 213 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: but you didn't ask your questions that way. You took 214 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: too many leaps in between. One other thing I want 215 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: to cover with you. You're standing in the wrong place. 216 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: There's a juror way over there. There's a juror there, 217 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: and there, and there and there, and all of them 218 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: had your back to them. Don't turn your back to 219 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the jury ever again. That's the last time you're going 220 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: to do that. It is, in some cultures, the most 221 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: disrespectful thing you can do. Right. I agree. I don't 222 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: know what you're crying because you did great, But it 223 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: was like the final like the relief, right, yeah, hurt, 224 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: it's hot. And then I have one other in this comment. 225 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna hate. You can't stand like that anymore. I 226 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: know my shoes broken. I don't care that stuff happens. 227 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: You cannot cross your legs like that. You are sending 228 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: a message to the jury that everything you're saying is 229 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: not worth listening to. You cannot do that. You have 230 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: a broken shoe, fight through it, you have a bunyan, 231 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: fight through it. You were fighting through the other stuff. 232 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: But you're nonverbal. Was saying, don't listen to me. Does 233 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: that make sense? So I'm gonna caution you about overacting. 234 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: So there was a little over the top. I think 235 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the nervousness. And when you're as smart 236 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: as you are, when you pay attention to detail like 237 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: you do, you don't have to act as much as 238 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: I do. You were testifying through your actions and your words, 239 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: the phrasing of those little statements that were coming out 240 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: and two and go along with the body movement. What 241 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: you were saying was I'm a liar, Like yeah, no 242 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: one believes to shut up liar, m This is Jared Hall. 243 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: A statement means an oral assertion, Britain assertion, or any 244 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: other non verbal conduct if you intended at the assertion. 245 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: He was called out by a j for talking like 246 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: a farmer. During the early days of boot camp, a 247 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: team member said Jared's voice reminded him of corn bread. 248 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: I have no idea what you just said. Everything that 249 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: you just said is like over my head. I'm not 250 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Let's take a step back. Mr C. You 251 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: called nine one one on August twenty nine, and you 252 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: gave on statements as part of your calling him. No, 253 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to call that statements. I made a 254 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: phone call. They asked me some questions. I answered them. 255 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: Mr C, there's a copy. If you're not won one call, 256 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Please read silently as I read a loud line thirteen 257 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: and fourteen operator, What did they take collar my wallet, 258 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: my friends purse. They have all our credit cards in cash. 259 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: They also have her phone. Okay, isn't that what I said? 260 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: Mr C? Did I read that correctly? You're a good reader. Soon, 261 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: no further questions. You're on m The more I pished 262 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: you off, the better you get. Now you're going on 263 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: some fishing. Look, you're you're on such a fishing expedition. 264 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: I do a fishing rod with a reel. As soon 265 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: as we fixed your fishing expeditions, you're gonna be all right, man. 266 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: I did everything I could to just screw you up, 267 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: and I screwed you up a little bit, but not 268 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: that much. That impeachment when you didn't ask that one 269 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: more question. When you walked away with the police report, 270 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: you got what you needed, so that was perfect. What 271 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: was the problem with the police report? You kept trying 272 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: to impeach me on your on your guy doing it right? 273 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: So what did I keep doing? Uh? Kept giving me 274 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: a hard time about it? And I also appreciate that 275 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: you try to change your presence in the room. Now 276 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: we still got a little bit of that you know 277 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: thing going on, but I'm okay with it. Don't kill 278 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: yourself when you're doing good? Makes sense? All right? Good job? 279 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: And is this done in a group setting? A j 280 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: Is this the entire group together? It's an open, constructively 281 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: critical station. It is, Katie, and it has to be. 282 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: And the reason why is that a lesson for one 283 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: is a lesson for all. If I have to teach this, 284 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: if I have to go through that with every single person, 285 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't want everybody crying. I don't want anybody crying. 286 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: There's no crying. And trial ads that what you're thinking 287 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: trying and trial saying come on. Can you imagine when 288 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: the judge admonishes you in a court and you start crying. 289 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: I've been admonished by judges. I'm sure you've been admonished 290 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: by judges there. I don't think there's a lawyer alive 291 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: who isn't admonished by a judge at some point in 292 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: their career. The last thing you can start doing is crying. 293 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: So you might as well get admonished right now, so 294 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: that you get used to being admonished when you do 295 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: something that you shouldn't be doing. Hello, turn in your 296 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: stuff to a j Please state your name Vanessa Skillman, okay, 297 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: and you moved cross whenever you're ready, Mr she I 298 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: am showing you. It has been previously marked as defense 299 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Exhibit one for identification purposes. Do you recognize this exhibit? 300 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: This is your credit card. You're able to identify this 301 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: as your credit card because of your name on the 302 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: bottom left. This credit card is the same or substantially 303 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: similar to the last time you saw this credit card. 304 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: Much from the police report, from what was stated on 305 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: the evidence collected from officer Yes, sir, right, the only 306 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: item that was obtained was a credit card. Two credit 307 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: cards to credit cards no further questions. All right, stop, 308 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: I need you to pass. You didn't enter, Oh my god, 309 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: staying character, You've done great. Can go through the process 310 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: of entering in a piece of evidence. You're Mary. Approach 311 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: the clerk. You might thanks, um, I would like to 312 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: have this preliminary marked as defense Exhibit one for identification purposes, 313 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Your honor, I request that the evidence previously marked. Does 314 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: defense Exhibit one for identification purposes be entered into evidence 315 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: as defense exhibit one? Any objections, it is so admitted, 316 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: your honor may published with the jury. You may, Hey, Vanessa, 317 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: I learned something about you today. I'm so stressed. I 318 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: learned something about you today. I didn't know you've been 319 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: perfect all so. I was always going to be difficult 320 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: with you. I wanted to see how far I could 321 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: push you. You are so focused on just getting done 322 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: that you're not listening. In the first half I had 323 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: said to a bunch of questions, what's on the recording? 324 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: Then on the second half I said m hm m 325 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: hm hm to about five questions. It was four or five, 326 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I haven't told Karen. I was like, 327 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna say, and I need to go. Is that 328 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: a yes, and so the record is not clear there, right. Listen, Vanessa, 329 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I think it's clear that every single coach and every 330 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: single three y'all sees a potential superstar in you. If 331 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: you don't stop and listen, and if you don't believe 332 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: that you need help to get great, we'll never get 333 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: there with you. You need to hear us, do what 334 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: we ask, pay attention to what you're doing when you're 335 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: doing it. When you go to the Army Air Force, 336 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Air Force, forgive me paying attention what you're saying. You 337 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: will one day go back and remember this statement that 338 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: I just gave to you. It's going to serve you well. 339 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that you cried tells me that you care. Normally, 340 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: I would say, like generally my role in life is like, 341 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: you don't practice until you get it perfect. You practice 342 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: until you don't get it wrong. Andy Viscarra is a 343 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: third year law student and the child team captain. So 344 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: you can do it in your sleep. But I think 345 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: at the stage that they're at, yes, you can over 346 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: practice because then they're just thinking about what's the next 347 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: step and making sure they don't make the next step, 348 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: and they're not listening to the witness. UM, and that's 349 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: a mistake we all made when we started training for 350 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: this because you're just you're you're doing you your own show, 351 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: which is fine, but if you're not listening to the witness, 352 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: it's it's never gonna work. You. You practice until you 353 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: can't get it wrong, until it's impossible. But yeah, at 354 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: their stage, there's definitely over practicing, Like confidence is everything. Yeah, 355 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: after a long wait, which incidentally gave her enough time 356 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: to drive home and walk her dog, Genesis, Sealinas is 357 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: a bundle of nerves. I'm a try a lot, very 358 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: emotional sensitive any times it's about this trial, Like it's 359 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: just like it gets very cracking. It's okay though I'm excited, 360 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: but I'm like overthinking everything that they could bring up 361 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: that I don't feel prepared for. And honestly, like you're 362 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: probably going taking your dogs out was like a great 363 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: mental break to kind of step away and because people 364 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: have been here all day like overthinking and read playing 365 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: and playing, so that you had that time to get 366 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: some air. Oh yeah, I'm gonna telling you. Okay, thanks, Okay, 367 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: so do you have the documents that you get had 368 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to Um, you can't really tell you what to expect, 369 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: other than be calm, be competent. You know the packet, 370 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: breathe something on expect. He comes up a minute on 371 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: your feet. Um, and he's also your court reporter. Okay, 372 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: You're gonna stand where you feel comfortable, but you should 373 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: you should be closer to your ladies. Whenever you're ready, 374 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: state your name, okay. I am Jenesis Sellieness okay, and 375 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: you may begin your across whenever you're ready. Mr C. 376 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: On August, you went out for drinks. I can't remember 377 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: if it was. It might have been the thirtieth. I 378 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: don't remember I was drinking. I would see a copy 379 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: of transcript helped refresh your memory. If it has a 380 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: date on it, it it probably would. I am showing opposing councel. 381 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Count Oh, I'm I am showing opposing counsel the transcript, 382 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: your honor, May I approach the witness? You may? I 383 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: am handing the witness the transcript, specifically referencing the very 384 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: top header. Please look over the document carefully and look 385 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: up at me when your memory has been refreshed. I 386 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: am handy the witness Defense Exhibit one for identification purposes. 387 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: You recognize this document I just handed you the City 388 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: of San Antonio rap sheet report. I'm a little I 389 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: don't know why she's here. I'm a little freaked out. 390 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: Did you look at the rap sheet? I'm sorry, what 391 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: do you want me? If you could please look? If 392 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: you could please look at the rap sheet? You recognize 393 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: this sheet? No, I've never seen this before in my life. 394 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm retrieving the document from the witness, Mr c. This 395 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: credit card was retrieved from the defendants. UM, I'm assuming 396 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: that's true. You have to ask, offer sand Lopo. This 397 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: is your credit card. It is my credit card. No 398 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: further questions, Ron, I think right about now, the people 399 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: that went first or like thinking, boy, I'm glad I 400 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: went first and not and not last. Um, because we 401 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: will continually make it harder and harder for you. So 402 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: you try to get me, you try to impeach me 403 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: on a rap sheet that has somebody else's name on it, 404 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: that goes back to yesterday with me saying don't do 405 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: the hard stuff. Okay, you're not ready yet. I thought 406 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: it would be in this of all under six o nine, 407 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: I told you not to do six o nine. We 408 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: specifically said that it's okay. I had the credit card 409 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: backup plan. I practice, we did have the credit card 410 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: backup plan, and I want to really applaud you for that. 411 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: I didn't like the laughing. I'm sorry, right because it's 412 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: out of the moment. Okay, I was doing stuff to 413 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: take you out of the moment, but I wanted you 414 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: to stay in the moment. If you want to be 415 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: able to compete and then go be a good trial lawyer, 416 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna need to get rid of that, right. You 417 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: got to think that every single time you're directing or crossing, 418 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: or its opening or closing, it's real. Let's be serious. However, 419 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: having said that, you have an incredible presence, Genesis, I 420 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: think I think all week long everyone's been saying the 421 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: same thing, that your presence is pretty amazing. So let's 422 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: just work on that little thing so that you're so 423 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: that you can keep the room exactly where you want them, 424 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: which is eating out of the palm of your hand, 425 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: house of your presence. Everyone started cry from stress starting. 426 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: Not everyone cried. Not everyone cried. Yes, we caught up 427 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: with Genesis later. So I did feel prepared going in. 428 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: I did know what I was doing, but I didn't 429 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: feel as confident as I did going in that Monday. 430 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: By Friday, I was trying to stay afloat. I was 431 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get everything out, and I did 432 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: do everything correctly except that I was laughing. I was 433 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: very nervous. I wasn't as you know, confident and as 434 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: assertive as I should have been, and I think that's 435 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: just because I was overwhelmed and I did start crying. 436 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: A J told me I needed to be more assertive, 437 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: and I think that's one thing I struggled with. I 438 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: wasn't being the advocate that I needed to be for 439 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: Professor A J or for our coaches. Um. So I 440 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: didn't realize that I was, I guess, not meeting the 441 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: expectations that they had wanted because I wasn't being asserted. 442 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know what maybe they thought, Oh, you know, 443 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: she doesn't have what it takes. She she doesn't get angry, 444 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and I know that I have what it takes. I 445 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: just wasn't showing it all. Right, A right, are you 446 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: ready order? Can you say your name please? My name 447 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: is Cole Dobby, your honor, okay, and when you're ready 448 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: to getting your cross, you may begin. Obviously on the 449 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: night of August, you went out with a friend. I 450 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: met a friend. You met a friend, and that friend 451 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: was Veronica J. She's just a friend. There's nothing going on. 452 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: We're just friends. And you two went out to a 453 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: bar that night. Did you were call making a nine 454 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: one one call that night? I definitely did. When your 455 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: guy robbed me. Would seeing a transcript of that one 456 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: call refresh your memory? Approached witness Shaan. If you can 457 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: read that, and once you're done refreshing your memory, can 458 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: you look back at me. You two were robbed. We 459 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: were by that guy over there, and these two individuals 460 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: when they robbed you, they brandished a gun. I'm sorry, 461 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I said again. The two individuals who robbed you, one 462 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: of them brandished a gun. Oh, they both had guns. 463 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: Both had guns. Is your testimony today that both the 464 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: individuals had guns? Yes, I approach the witness Shan. Obviously, 465 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: this is a transcript of your one call from the 466 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: night of August. By direct your attention to line number ten. 467 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: If you can read along silently as I read aloud, 468 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: they pointed a gun, took our stuff and run away. 469 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: Did I read that correctly? So they pointed a gun 470 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: at you that night? They pointed a gun. Each one 471 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: of them had a gun. They them two people had 472 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: a gun. Each Each of them pointed a gun at 473 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: me and Veronica guns they if I may continue, when 474 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: you saw them, you weren't able to get a good 475 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: look at either of them. That's a fast statement. They 476 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: don't have a gun in our face. It all happened 477 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: so fast, it's really quick. Now on direct examination, you 478 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: said that you got a good look at one of 479 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: their faces. You never saw the police report. Now at 480 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: the gas station, you saw police officers arrest to individuals. Yeah, 481 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: I think that's right. And at that moment of the arrest, 482 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: you did not identify either of the defendants as the 483 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: man arrested. I did not. For the question, arre m 484 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: Mariella and Sinas was the first to arrive this morning, 485 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: I can open my binder and have things. In fact, 486 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: she was the first to arrive every morning during the week, 487 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: quietly taking copious notes and working with the three l's 488 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: on her trial strategy. So, yeah, all eyes are on you, 489 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: but they're all eyes on you because you're the boss, right, 490 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: You're the boss. Mario ELA's goal is to become a prosecutor, 491 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: to try cases in a Special Victims Unit. Okay, please 492 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: state your names, okay, and as soon as you're ready, 493 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: you may begin your cross. Thank you, good afternoon, Mr Cy. 494 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: On August fifteen of twenty nineteen, you were at Barbara restaurant. 495 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: I was at a restaurant was named after a horse. 496 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: But I can't remember if Barbara is a horse or not. 497 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember. If I show you 498 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: a copy of your on one called transcript, would you 499 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: be able to maybe refresh your memory with that if 500 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: it's in there? Yeah, I think it might. And on 501 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: that night, after you were getting some dinner and a 502 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: drink with your friend Veronica, you decided the best decision 503 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: was probably to walk her home. I didn't want her 504 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: to walk home. What is relevance? Evidence is relevant if 505 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: it a has any tendency to make a fact more 506 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: or less probable than it would be without the evidence, 507 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: and be the fact is of consequence in determining the action. 508 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: This is irrelevant because it establishes the night and his 509 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: ability to recall the events of that night. Okay, So 510 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: when the guns were pointed at you, it was frightening, terrifying. 511 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: It was hard to focus. I thought I was going 512 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: to die. All you could really focus on was that gun. 513 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: I looked right down that barrel and I was just 514 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: waiting for the blast. So you couldn't really focus on 515 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: anything other than that gun. No. I was also focused 516 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: on Veronica j because I was walking her home to 517 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: protect her, and I couldn't against that animal. And you 518 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: were held at gunpoint. Yeah, and being held at gunpoint 519 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: made it difficult to be able to focus on anything 520 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: but your safety and veronica safety. I was there for 521 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: Veronica the whole time, but it was hard to focus 522 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: on anything other than that gun. Being held at gunpoint. Yes, 523 00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: no further questions, your honor. You didn't let it deter you. 524 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: Her objection. You know what you need to get in. 525 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: You know that you need it, and so you're going 526 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: to find a way to make it happen. So that 527 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: was pretty good. I'll say that your voice is awesome. 528 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: I love it. I love the way that you projected. 529 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you fill up this room, and it takes 530 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: a lot to do that because you're you're you know, 531 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: you're self conscious about your voice when you start out. 532 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: Just remember that keep it, never let that go, Never 533 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: let the way that you walk up and back and 534 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: up to their up to his face and put it 535 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: in all that you're own in a courtroom. That's exactly 536 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: what you have to do. I asked them in a 537 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: comment because I don't like gushing over first year of 538 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: trial team members too much. The reason why I think 539 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed is because I remember you from Monday, 540 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: afraid to death, from the very first assignment. I would 541 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: not have predicted on Monday what you did today. You 542 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: had an amazing day. Thank you how to go in there? 543 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: I feel it went well. It was definitely a little intimidating. 544 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, but there were a few hiccups and 545 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: definitely things that you can't really plan for. I didn't 546 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: rehearse and rehearse to the point of memorization because I 547 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: knew that Dean a. J Was going to throw some 548 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: things in there that we we there's no way to rehearse, 549 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: so to rehearse to the point of memorization really wasn't 550 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: worth it for me having the three l's to be 551 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: able to listen to me over at least enough to 552 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: tell me what I'm technically doing wrong without knowing what's coming. 553 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: What do I want to work for a while prosecuting, 554 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: and eventually, after I spend a while prosecuting, working appeals 555 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: for wrongful conviction. The worst thing a person can do 556 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: is is knowingly put someone away the wrong way. Monday, 557 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: we came together and we started from scratch. I want 558 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: you to think ing a little bit of time that 559 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: we've been together, where you were, who you were, and 560 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: where you are right now. And I want to ask 561 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: you this question, and I want you to just have 562 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: this introspection. I like where I'm going, I like where 563 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: I am. I look forward to the next challenge. If 564 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: you say yes to all three of those, we have 565 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: work to do starting on Saturday. If you didn't say 566 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: yes to all three of those, you need to come 567 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: see me, because this isn't for you. We are going 568 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: to work you harder than you did this week. Some 569 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: of you, several of you cried happy sad tears either 570 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: today or yesterday or this week. You're going to cry more. 571 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna be upset at me, You're gonna be upset 572 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: at yourselves. You're going to be upset at each other. 573 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: You know you better than any of us. Can you 574 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: take that kind of criticism? Can you be upset with 575 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: your partner and still be respectful of them. If you 576 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: can where your home. If you can't, I need you 577 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: to come see me, and I want you to ask 578 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: yourself if you like where you are and if you 579 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: are and we're in a good place. The next day, 580 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: the entire team gets together at a local bar in 581 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: San Antonio. The two els are burned out, but they're happy. 582 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: The three all spot the rookies a drink and pat 583 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: them on the back. Welcome to the team, rookies. Everyone 584 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: is anxious to find out who's going to be assigned 585 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: to the upcoming trial competitions that are being held around 586 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: the country. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. 587 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: He was being extra, We'll put it that way. He 588 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: was being extra as the witness. It was a lot. 589 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: I cried, but it was like a good cry. And 590 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: about two minutes before I went in the court room, 591 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: my high heel broke and he had to walk back 592 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: and forth in the court room, and it was dreadful 593 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: every single time the next time I'll got there. For 594 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: one were super true. The three els prepared us. The 595 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: three els helped us. We probably would not have been 596 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: as confident, and we didn't of them like right before, 597 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: like you got this, Like it's fine. I think we're 598 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: a solid group. I'm really excited to work with my 599 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: fellow two els um. But I think just combine us 600 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,399 Speaker 1: with the three else and the support that they've shown 601 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: us and and we're gonna be solid. Yesterday was a lot. 602 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: I didn't cry in the room. I was trying before 603 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: I got in the room. I was reflecting like I 604 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: was raised by my my grandparents and they didn't go 605 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: past third grade. You know, they were born in the South, 606 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: raised in the South. They didn't even go past elementary school. 607 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: And I'm standing in the law school and people are 608 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: saying that you should be on a trial team. I 609 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: felt like a weight of you gotta do your pass, 610 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: you gotta just felt a weight of my family history, 611 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: or I just felt a weight like if you get 612 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: a chance to like sneak in the room, you gotta 613 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: try to do your best because you don't always get 614 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: a chance to even get in the room because they 615 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: spent time to slammed the door. So this is new 616 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: for me because I don't like to not know things. 617 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't like to be on not on top of 618 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: my game. I don't like to not do stuff right. 619 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: So this is stressful. When I don't get it right 620 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: the first time, I can't give up have Vanessa s 621 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: oh I cried, There was no I was on the 622 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: ViRGE of tears, like I cried. There's like a lot 623 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: of pressure whenever you're doing there's pressure on yourself because 624 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: you want to be a good advocate. And then there's pressure, 625 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: I guess, like all the external things because it's like 626 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: I want to do well. I want to do well 627 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: this course. I want to like show that I'm good. 628 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: But looking back, I wouldn't have changed anything. So I 629 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: think it's important to mess up because it's important to 630 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: mess up how and something that doesn't matter or affect anyone. 631 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: So I want you could be a better advocate and 632 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: attorney later on when your client is actually relying on you, 633 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: we know how hard you wor kind of like a 634 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: little bit of a hell. We thanks everybody for coming out. 635 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: We went to seven competitions last year. Our team this year, 636 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to eight competitions in the fall. I 637 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: truly believe that our time is now. I know that 638 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: Jason believes, at Maritza and Dad and all the coaches, 639 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: we believe that our time is now to our two 640 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: else before I tell the three ls where they're going. 641 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: Every single three L will tell you the same thing. 642 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: They sacrificed a ton for their personal development and for 643 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: their team, for themselves and for each other. You have 644 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: to be able to do the same thing if you 645 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: want to be great. And we started working, you know, Monday. 646 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: So for the National Trial League representing us, there are 647 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 1: gonna be Kenneth Robin said, hell Will, Stephanie and John. 648 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: The Battle of Experts was the next competition. It starts up. 649 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna be represented by Andy v Jasmine and we're 650 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: gonna do something special. We're gonna add Cold of that list. 651 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: The witness for us. He's only got one year, but 652 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: you all saw him yesterday. He's are in that right. 653 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: We were waiting for yesterday to make this foul call 654 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have. I really want to win. I want 655 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,479 Speaker 1: to win all of these. Those are our competitions. Two wells. 656 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you. I'm happy to be your director, 657 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: your coach. I want you to work really hard. These 658 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: three l's have set they set a stage for you, 659 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: So let's get to work. Let's work hard. Let's work smart. 660 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: This last week is nothing like what I'm about to 661 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: put you through. This is like hell preparation week. Work 662 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: Stay with me, stay with us? All right, congratulations, All 663 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: that's congratulates, Gonna get to go to the Generally, law 664 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: students across the country are saying goodbye to their friends 665 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: and family and they're free time. It's all about the 666 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: team and the case. That is a great murder scenario 667 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: for a mock trial because it's not your obvious, premeditated 668 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: murder that was not supposed to happen. When they're done 669 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: beating him to death, I think the de Niro character 670 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: sort of says to the pesci character, would you do 671 00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: that's next time? On class Action. 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