1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Desperately Devoted. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: about life and relationships. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 3: All while we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 4: And I'm Emerson. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 5: Tenny. This is a big episode, you guys, This is 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 5: really big. 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: We are here, it's Desperately Devoted, and we are doing 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: episode twenty, Fear. 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: No More twenty. Where is the time gone? 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: I know we're almost to the end, Emerson. I mean, 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: it's your first year watching Desperate Housewives. 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 4: And what a year it's been. 15 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 5: What do you think though, we're almost to the end. 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 5: What are you thinking? 17 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: Well, thank god I have seven more season because I 18 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: don't know how I would take it if it was 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: gonna end in just three episodes. Yeah, this title Fear 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: No More. This episode aired on May first, two thousand 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: and five. Uh huh, And the title is another Stephen 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: Sondheim musical song from the Frogs, and the lyrics are 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: actually from the William Shakespeare's play Uh Symbol. 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 6: And our mutual Joint Friend who we've talked about on 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 6: the pod before. Kevin McHale just did the Frogs in 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 6: London and I didn't, unfortunately get to. 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Go see it, but I bet it was fantastic. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's amazing. 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say before we derailed into all 30 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: the songhimness of it, which is so obscure, don't you 31 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: think sometimes like Monheim is everywhere. No, I love Sondheim 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: and Sondheim is everywhere. But I don't know, does everybody 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: know the Frogs? 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Well, this is what this is? 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 6: The thing is like I feel like I'm I am 36 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 6: such a self proclaimed Sondheim head. 37 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 5: Okay, but what's Frogs about? And what it's like? 38 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: Why would it be titled Fear No More? Is somebody like? 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: It's a song? It's a song title from Frogs And 40 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 1: that's all I know. Oh okay, Yeah. 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: A lot does happen in this episode, starting with Susan's 42 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: house gets blown up. 43 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: Oh my god, we started with that. 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 5: Well it's actually, I mean it's blown up. That's a 45 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 5: big thing. Like, it's I mean, it's insane. 46 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: We don't we don't really know who blows it up. 47 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: We don't know if it's an accident, could be an accident, 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: could be sabotage. 49 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: Highly coincidental given that Susan has gotten some more information 50 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: about Paul Young, yes, snooping around. 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 6: And maybe the fact that there's that shot of Zach 52 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 6: holding a zippo with his little flickering flame that could 53 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 6: maybe tip us off that we might know who did this. 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: We might give that well, we might know who did it. 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: But and Gabby also is revealed to be pregnant. But wait, 56 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: so the very first thing that happens in this episode 57 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: is the very big surprise, or at least it was 58 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: a very big surprise to me, and it made me 59 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: so happy that I had to freeze the television. So 60 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: what happens is Susan is in bed and we're hearing 61 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: some voiceover talking about her parenting, how. 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: She always wanted to be a mom. 63 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the camera pans across her down to her 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: nightstand and there's a picture of Susan holding a baby 65 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: that's supposed to be Julie, but instead it's actually Emerson. 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: That is a real baby photo that we have in 67 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: the house. 68 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: And I recognized it immediately watching that too. That is 69 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: a photo of you and I and it is really 70 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: just it's a beautiful black in wit photo from when 71 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: I was a baby, baby, baby. 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: And I love it so much. 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: She has a little black hat on and she hated hats, 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: so like getting the photo with the hat before she 75 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: ripped it off was like a memorable experience. She's also 76 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: so fat, she's so chubby, fat, like I was a fat, 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: fat fat And you know why she was fat because 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: my boobs were an all night diner. 79 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: That is the truth. 80 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: You could take my boobs, you could squeeze them, and 81 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: the milk would like shoot across the room. Wow, And 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: I did that. I have ever learned well because if 83 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: you can't and shoot breast milk across the room, you'll 84 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: see you'll do it because well, I've got these. 85 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Whole shoes to fill, evidently. 86 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: With breast milk, all the glasses. Yeah. Anyways, it was 87 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: very exciting for me because of course I have no memory, 88 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: and I totally forgot. But this is a common thing. 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: When you do a movie or a television show, they 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: will often ask you for photos of your life, like 91 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: when you were a baby, when you were a child, 92 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: and then they'll sometimes photoshop them. Sometimes they won't photoshop them, 93 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: but they need that for background context. 94 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 6: My favorite is when they ask you for relationship photos 95 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 6: and then they photoshop whoever's playing your partner in right, Like, 96 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 6: You're like, here's me and my husband at the Eiffel Tower, 97 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 6: and they're like, Nope, not anymore. 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: Here's you and your co star at the Eiffel. 99 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 5: Tower, right. 100 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: But that is often how they get those sort of 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: quote unquote family shots, So that made me very excited. 102 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Another Emerson cameo for the books. 103 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: You know what, there were a lot Well, okay, so obviously, 104 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: so much happens in this episode. We have Gabrielle plans 105 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 3: this big farewell party for Carlos before he goes off 106 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: to jail prison, and she also starts to realize that 107 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 3: she is in fact pregnant. We have George Williams, the pharmacist, 108 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: returns with much to Rex's displeasure, and breathes potential pleasure. 109 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: Lynette discovers that Tom's old girlfriend, who she actually broke 110 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: up that relationship when she got together with Tom, is 111 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: back at his firm. 112 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: And then we have. 113 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Susan and Julie working together to kind of navigate Julie's 114 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: breakup with Zach and the suspicions around Paul and the 115 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: Young family, and this leads us back to the moment 116 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: that you pointed out at the beginning the reflections of 117 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: Susan as a mother, and Susan says she made a 118 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: lot of mistakes as a parent, and all of this 119 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: flashback montage, which is just hilarious, and I have to say, 120 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: is so not the kind of parent that you were 121 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: of dually, like flying. 122 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: Off of the little park play circle. 123 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: When Susan swinging her and her leaving the baby carrier 124 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: in the house, and it's just it is so Susan asked, 125 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: and it is not at all terry ask but it 126 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: did make me wonder, as my mom, do you feel 127 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: like you ever made parenting mistakes that this, albeit however 128 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: far fetched montage like brought up for you watching. 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I think. 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: Of myself as a as a pretty good mom, like 131 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: and that doesn't agree. Yeah, oh thank you and that 132 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean that I didn't make mistakes. I mean, 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: you know, the advice that I always offer parents is 134 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: to think about it as a marathon and not a sprint, 135 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of giveness, there's a lot of flexibility. 136 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: You can't possibly sustain this sort of level of like 137 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: everything has to be perfect all the time. And I 138 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: have to always be perfect, because you won't be, and 139 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: you will constantly be falling short of that. Mostly, I 140 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: think in the area of where you're just exhausted, I 141 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: just think parents primarily mothers. But maybe that's not true. 142 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just looking at it through a mother's lens 143 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: because I wasn't a dad. But you know, it's twenty 144 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: four to seven when you think about not having even 145 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: seconds of privacy, and then you're maybe also working, and 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: you're also cleaning the house, and you're also trying to 147 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: maintain a relationship with your partner, and like it's a lot. 148 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: And so when you live in that level of stress, 149 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: like no Wonder's mom, No wonder moms lose their shit 150 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: once in a while. But I do remember a story 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: that was a great story. I don't know if it 152 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: was bad parenting. Maybe it was bad parenting because I 153 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: put you in a bad position. 154 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: But for your thirteenth birthday, Oh my god, I know 155 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: what story you were going to tell. 156 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 4: I will say, at. 157 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 5: The time, is it bad parenting? 158 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: Well, at the time, you. 159 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: Were very concerned that you potentially were gonna get me 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: and my three best friends killed. 161 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: Oh whoa, you thought this was going so much more 162 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: extreme than I thought. 163 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: Killed by a wild animal. 164 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: So what this was was for her thirteenth birthday, we 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: went to Vegas and I was she had never. 166 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: Tell you we went to Vegas because The Hangover had 167 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: just come out, and it was well, I think it's our, 168 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: but it's our. But my friends and I we saw it. 169 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: We were like, we're cool, just teenagers. We're going to 170 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: see this rated movie. And I wanted to have a 171 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: hangover themed birthday party as hangover themed as you can 172 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: at thirteen, which is like going to Excalibur at in 173 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 3: Las Vegas and you know, drinking a lot of milkshakes. 174 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: And didn't you guys play like the arcade games that 175 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: like circus Circus or was that ex caliber Maybe there 176 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: is no circus circus. 177 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 5: Maybe that's when I was growing up. 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: There was a circus circus. I'd been there. 179 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, anyway, so we watched the movie. We stayed 180 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: in a hotel room in Las Vegas. We went to 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: like fancy crazy dinners, and the whole thing culminated with 182 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: and by the way, every all the other girls moms 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: were also there. 184 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: It was also a mom's trip. It was called the Mom. 185 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 5: Mom Daughter Trip. Thing. 186 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: So on the last day, as a surprise, I had 187 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: gotten a similar Mercedes convertible that's like in the movie, 188 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: and I was going to take the girls out to Perumph, 189 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: which is about an hour and a half. 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 5: I know, that's a. 191 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: Real sat. 192 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: Good things, yeah. 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 5: Good things do not happen. 194 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: Let me tell you. 195 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: After this experience, we were driving back and we said 196 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: for years after that what happens in Barump stays in 197 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: Baram very true. 198 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: What did in fact? 199 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: What happen is so I had made this excursion for 200 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: the girls to get to go out to meet the 201 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: tiger from the movie. 202 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 5: And it was, you know. 203 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: Like a it was like a conservatory with you know, 204 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: baby tigers that they got to feed with little bottles 205 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: of milk, and then like the adult tigers were you 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: know kept. 207 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: And these are the tigers Tiger King. 208 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: This is yeah, I would imagine before Tiger King, that's right. 209 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: But these were tigers that were trained to like be 210 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: in movies or whatever. And I think this particular tiger 211 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 2: was in the hangover, That's. 212 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: What I was told. That told so this is a 213 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: famous tiger. 214 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 5: This is a famous tiger. 215 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: When we first got there, we got to meet all 216 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: the baby tigers, which obviously weren't in the movie, and 217 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: it was so cute and we you know, you can 218 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: pet them because they're little, and they have little dogs 219 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: run around with them and socialize with them to help 220 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: socialize the tigers so then they can. 221 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 4: Be trained with. 222 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: That was a thing that they had little dogs running 223 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: around with the baby tigers, and it was somehow we 224 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: were told like this was part of the training and 225 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: part of the I don't know, what do you call it, 226 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: like social socializing. So anyways, I thought it was a 227 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: little odd, but so we get then we see it, 228 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: go walk through the whole thing and see the different animals, 229 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: and then at the end, the guy's like, well, let's 230 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: get a shot of like all the girls in the car, 231 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: like standing out convertible, and we'll get the tiger like 232 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: close to the car and. 233 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 4: We'll have it jump up on the hood of the 234 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 4: car for the photo. 235 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: And I don't know, see, this is the bad parenting part. 236 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: This is the part where uh, there was I guess 237 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: too much trust on my part that this situation was 238 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: okay because somebody in authority was telling me that it was. 239 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: I mean, how could you have known? 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 5: I think I could have known, because you're sitting here still. 241 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: So I get in the. 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: Car, Me and my friends we get in the car. 243 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: We go post for the photo. The guy tells the tiger. 244 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: He's wrangling the tiger, and the little dog that I 245 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: guess has grown up with this big tiger is kind 246 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: of running around and the guy's like trying to wrangle 247 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: the tiger into like the right position, and all of 248 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: the sudden, the tiger gets the dog in his mouth. 249 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: Lunges after the dog, and I am sorry, like trigger warning, 250 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: stop listening now if this is going to offend you, like. 251 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: Rips this dog. 252 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: No, no, that's well it is, goes in on the dog. 253 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: So much so that the guy sticks his hand in 254 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: the tiger's mouth and is trying to like get the 255 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: tiger's mouth open and the dog out. 256 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: All all trying to tell us that the dog is fine. 257 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: And my best friend Sammy is hysterically sobbing next to me. 258 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 4: Like the dog is dead. The dog is dead. 259 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: And the guy is like has his hands on the 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: tiger's mouth and he's like, no, no, it's fine. 261 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: The dog's totally lived. 262 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: So then they usher us back to the little like cabin, 263 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: you know, little trailer sort of thing, and we're there 264 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: and her friend Sammy is crying and and people keep 265 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: coming by and being like, the dog's fine, the dog's fine. 266 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 4: The dog was not fine. 267 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 5: The dog's fine, the dog's fine. 268 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: And then the guy comes in and his hand is 269 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: all bandaged and it seems like he's missing one finger. 270 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 4: He's missing a finger. 271 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: And then he proceeds to tell us that the dog 272 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: is fine and his finger is fine, and which we know. 273 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: So anyways, so we get in the car and we leave, 274 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: so the whole way home in the convertible, like I'm 275 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: trying to to stop, you know, Sammy, I'm trying to 276 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: hold it together because this is what good parents do. 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: Good parents do. 278 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: Not express their own level of stress and puke it 279 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: out on their children. They like maintain their inner stress 280 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: and so that they don't have more stress go on 281 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: the children. So I'm like holding it all together and 282 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to like be a calming, you know, reflection 283 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: of what just happened. Anyway, we get home, we pull 284 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 2: up to the hotel. 285 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: My mom had sent all the other moms to the 286 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 3: SPA that day because she just drove us without the moms. 287 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so they'd been in the small day. So 288 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: they meet us like curbside or whatever. They get out, 289 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: like I don't even remember. A couple of the moms 290 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: take the kids, and the kids kind of like go 291 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: off and like are fine. And then I literally just 292 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: am like saw like you like shaking, sobbing, like you 293 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: like have you have no idea what I was like 294 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: containing But we now, fifteen years later more, we we 295 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: always consider this, like, you know, that was the day 296 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: that Terry almost killed all the children. 297 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and pretty much every Christmas we do still all 298 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: buy each other some tiger themed present just as a 299 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: joke to put in each other's like Christmas presents. 300 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: Me and my best friends. I'm still best friends. 301 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: With all of them, and they're still alive and they're 302 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: all still lost. 303 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: Thank god. 304 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 5: Wow. 305 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 6: I have to say that was a really wild ride 306 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 6: you just took me on. 307 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I was not prepared. 308 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: To do with parenting. I mean, is your reflection on 309 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: it that I was a bad parent? 310 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, No, My reflection on it is not 311 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: that your bad parent. 312 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 6: My reflection on it is that we shouldn't domesticate animals. 313 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 6: That is the takeaway from me, and we probably shouldn't 314 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: let dogs, you know, befriend and socialize young tigers. 315 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Is all about. But I think, I think. 316 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 6: That the sentiment of we're going to make mistakes as 317 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 6: parents is totally true and very relatable. And I think 318 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 6: you can't really prepare for what mistakes you're going to make, 319 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 6: just that you're going to make them. And you know, 320 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: I think that we continue to explore the different themes 321 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 6: of motherhood motherhood that pop up on the show. And 322 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 6: obviously in this episode we have a new potential woman 323 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 6: coming and joining the club with Gabby storyline where we've said, okay, 324 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 6: she finds out she's. 325 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: Pregnant, there was a rolling up in that, really, Car. 326 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 6: I know, she pukes in an aston martin very very 327 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 6: and I mean true Gabby styles. 328 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: She still wants to buy one, just not that one. Yeah, yeah, 329 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: I would like a fresh one. Yeah, a non throat up. 330 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 6: But I did think it was a very, I don't know, 331 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 6: a self effacing moment for her when she says, uh, 332 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 6: you know, i'd be in she says quote, I'd be 333 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 6: an awful mother. I'm selfish and I'm self centered and 334 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 6: the only person who is more self centered than me 335 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 6: is Carlos. I mean, he's so self centered. He doesn't 336 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 6: even realize how self centered I am. 337 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 5: It's great dialogue. 338 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's great dialogue and also maybe a hard thing 339 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 6: to admit, although it didn't seem particularly tough for her. 340 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 6: It's more like the idea of coming around to being 341 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: a mother. But you do get that nice moment of 342 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 6: Susan telling Gabrielle like, it's so worth it. 343 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: You know it's hard, but it's worth it. Kind of 344 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: a thing. 345 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: I think. 346 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: Susan has the line where she says, you can never 347 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: imagine having kids, and then once you have kids, you 348 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: can never imagine not having them, you know, which I 349 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: find incredibly true as I look across this room at 350 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: my funeral daughter. I mean, it's definitely But like I 351 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: always knew I wanted to be a mom, so that 352 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: was not a question for me. It's been the favorite 353 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: part of my life. It's been the thing that I've 354 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: given the most dedication to. Well, because me is sorry, 355 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: you know for any sacrifice I ever made that that 356 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: benefited you. 357 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, except for that tiger thing. 358 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 4: No, she's not sorry for that. 359 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, we're grateful for it too. I loved it. 360 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 6: No, but I did want to say, because we're talking 361 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 6: about motherhood and we're talking about moms and all these 362 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 6: things that I know, we've talked about love languages and 363 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 6: a little bit, and I don't really know how much 364 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 6: it relates to our love languages forming around the type 365 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 6: of love we received as children, but I would venture 366 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 6: to say it's probably very impactful with what we then 367 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 6: want as adults, right, And I think I've mentioned that 368 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 6: words of affirmation is a thing for me. So something 369 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 6: very sweet that my mom does is she she has 370 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 6: always written me notes throughout my life. Like it started 371 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 6: when I was really little and she packed my lunch 372 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: and she'd write me a note on the napkin that 373 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 6: she'd slip in my. 374 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Lunchbox and things like that. But she still does it. 375 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 6: And recently she was here staying with me, and when 376 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 6: she left, I found that she had hidden a bunch 377 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 6: of notes around the house. I'm gonna cry, Like, I 378 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 6: open up my closet and there's one And anyway, I 379 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 6: just wanted to share this one that says, your mommy 380 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 6: loves her little mommy. 381 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: Oh, is that hiding in your makeup case? 382 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I tuck it in here, So it's with me. 383 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: But I also just think it is like the series thing. 384 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 5: I I love your mom. 385 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: Did she ever make any parenting mistakes? Because she seems 386 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: very perfect, of course, but she had six opportunities to 387 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: do it, so there must have been some. 388 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 5: You know. 389 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 6: I would love to actually ask her what are the 390 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: standout mistakes because she would cop to making mistakes, And 391 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: she lost her mom when she was twenty six or 392 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 6: twenty seven, so you know, she didn't maybe I mean 393 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 6: the majority of our lives as children, like none of 394 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 6: us got to meet her mom, and she didn't get 395 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: to share that part of her life with her, and 396 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 6: so she was really figuring a lot out on the 397 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 6: fly and without a lot of guidance, And so I'm 398 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 6: sure she did, but I'd have to I'd have to really, 399 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 6: I mean, gosh, I'd have to really like go deep 400 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 6: into my brain to pull them out because it is 401 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 6: weird amazing. 402 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, how she is, like I'm I mean, yeah, she 403 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: totally is. You know, like, just thinking about all of 404 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: my friends who I know all would would own that 405 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: they have fault in you know, their own character traits, 406 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: including myself, But I can't really think of what parenting 407 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: mistakes they might have made. But when I look at Susan, 408 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: and I've said this before, I think Susan makes a 409 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: very big mistake over and over in how much she 410 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: relies on Julie to sort of lift her up and 411 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: be part of her support system in a way that 412 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: I think is not appropriate for a parent to put 413 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: on their child. Although I do see Julie, you know, 414 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: stepping up to the plate and not being the worst 415 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: for wear because of it, but I still don't think 416 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: it's fair well. 417 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 6: And Susan really in this episode gets the win in 418 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: the shape of a parenting win, because she gets rocks 419 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 6: thrown in her face because Zach is trying to get 420 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 6: Julie's attention and he's throwing pebbles at the window, and 421 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 6: then you you know, Susan gets hit in the face, 422 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 6: and ultimately the scene ends with Julie saying thank you, mom, 423 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 6: because I've been trying to find a way to break 424 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 6: up with him and he's not getting it, and so 425 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 6: she's basically saying, like, good job, mom, you know, and 426 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 6: Susan gets. 427 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: I can tell you that I would take rocks in 428 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: the face for either of you. 429 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: So I would be horrified if anyone I was dating, 430 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: ever threw rocks in your face, and that would be 431 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: the end of that very quickly, I think. Another speaking 432 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: of dating and relationships and ended relationships, another big storyline 433 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: in this episode that I saw coming up a lot 434 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: is the idea of being friends with your exes or 435 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 3: friends with people who you have or in relation to 436 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: people that you have been with romantically. We see this, 437 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I know George is on the path of 438 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: becoming a crazy stalker pharmacist, but we see this between 439 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: George and Rex when Brie and Rex run into George 440 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: and Brie wants to go to the Bonzei event with 441 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 3: George without Rex. And then we also see this in 442 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: a really big way in Lynette and Tom's storyline when 443 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: it becomes revealed that Tom's ex partner, who he was 444 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: with when he met Lynette, is now working at his 445 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: firm and he's actually kept this secret from Lynette for 446 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: the last three months. 447 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: And then Lynette in a way that I. 448 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: Actually struggle with the level of her suspicion and some 449 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 3: of the behavior she takes goes to great lengths, even 450 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: consulting Edie to try to intimidate make this other woman 451 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: back off, and it all just kind of brought up 452 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: questions for me that I'm curious your thoughts on of 453 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: what do you think about this, Like do you think 454 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: it's possible to be friends with your ex'es? Do you 455 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 3: feel like Lynette's suspicions are founded or unfounded? 456 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, what are your thoughts? 457 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: I have never been friends with an ex and I 458 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: actually always felt like it was not a good character 459 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: trait that that I couldn't find a. 460 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: Way to move beyond. 461 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: Whatever drama was around somebody that I dated. But in 462 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: the instances of where I mean, except your father, Like 463 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: your father and I are friends, but we weren't friends, 464 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: like right at the beginning, like it. 465 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: Right at the beginning, fifteen years now. 466 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: But I mean, I think we've earned the place of 467 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: where we're we're friends, and I mean I would do 468 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: anything for them, you know, that they needed, So then 469 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: that's a nice place to be. 470 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 5: But that's probably I feel like there's one other guy 471 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 5: that I dated. 472 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: Years ago, but and I dated him maybe for like 473 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: four or five months that I really care. 474 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 4: About, and I know what you're talking about, and uh, but. 475 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: You know, we weren't friends for a long time either, 476 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: Like I do think sometimes there's some pain involved in 477 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: the breakup that needs the amount of time to heal 478 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: and then you can be friends. 479 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 6: I think oftentimes the reason why an friendship with an 480 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 6: ex doesn't necessarily continue or doesn't feel possible is usually 481 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 6: in a lot of cases, it feels like your new 482 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 6: partner might have an issue with that or not feel 483 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 6: like they're comfortable with that. I've had high hopes in 484 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 6: the past of being friends with people that I've had 485 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 6: romantic relationships with, because of course, there's so many things 486 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 6: that draw you to that person in the first place, 487 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 6: respect and shared interests and all the things. I haven't 488 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 6: successfully maintained a friendship with someone I've been with, and 489 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 6: as I've gotten older, I don't know that it is 490 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 6: necessarily a goal of mine to do that, or I 491 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 6: feel like it's a failing of mind that I haven't 492 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 6: been able to do that because I think that there's 493 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 6: so many other things that play into it. My theory, 494 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 6: I have a little bit of a theory, which is 495 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 6: that if you started off as friends before you were romantic, 496 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 6: maybe you have a shot at being friends again. But 497 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 6: I think if you have to make that shift from 498 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 6: we were romantic and now we're going to have to 499 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 6: try on this new identity of being friends. Only maybe 500 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 6: it won't, maybe it's not possible, or maybe it's not healthy. 501 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 502 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: My ex who I'm really good friends with, and I 503 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: hope that he hears this. He won't, I'm sure he won't, 504 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: but I'll tell him. We started off romantic and we're 505 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 3: not friends. Before I think that moment we met, there 506 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: was a romantic spark that we pursued in that way 507 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: dated for over two years, and then broke up and 508 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: then didn't really talk for about a year, and then 509 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: ran into each other. I mean we would, We would 510 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: occasionally and very respectfully over that year after our breakup, 511 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: text each other, you know, Oh, I saw you had 512 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: this great accomplishment, like congratulations, And it was all a 513 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: little formal, but clearly there was still care. And then 514 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: almost a year to the day, we ran into each 515 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: other in a coffee shop that I go to all 516 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: the time and have never seen him in, and he 517 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 3: walked in with a mutual friend of ours who I 518 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: had actually never met in person because he lives outside 519 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: of the US, and we all saw each other and 520 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: I got up and I immediately burst into tears, and 521 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: he also burst into tears because we're both big SAPs. 522 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: And we hugged each other and I was like, not 523 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 3: the right time to catch up, but he said we 524 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: were both like, we have to. 525 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: We have to. 526 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: Clearly the universe is saying that we have to like 527 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: reconnect and being each other's lives. And we met up 528 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: like a week or so later, and we must have 529 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: talked for eight hours, and we talked through our whole 530 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: relationship and our breakup and our year after breaking up, 531 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 3: and it really set us on a new course that 532 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: I think we will now look at each other when 533 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: we hang out and be like, we're really fucking cool, Like, yeah, 534 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: we're so cool. We have really worked to recreate a 535 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: friendship that is not romantic because we actively choose because 536 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: we really care about each other and we want to 537 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 3: be in each other's lives. 538 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: But I also think that there's something coming to my 539 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: mind that maybe is a defining difference, because I know 540 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: this is not how you broke up with that person. 541 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: But in this case of Tom and Lynette, so Tom 542 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: was dating Annabel, yes, but then he met Lynette. 543 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: Right he left Anna then and they. 544 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: Were cheating on and Tom was cheating on Annabel while 545 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: he dated Lynette, and after dating her for a while, decided, 546 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: oh wait, this is a girl I could actually marry. 547 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: So left Annabelle married Lynette. They've had all these children, 548 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: they've been together all this time, and now the other 549 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: girls in the picture going, well, you know, he met 550 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: you by cheating on me. And that's what Lynette is 551 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: like worried about that, like once a person has this behavior, 552 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: you know, maybe he's going to have the behavior again. 553 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: And also it does seem like annabel has like ulterior motives, 554 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: like she wouldn't be so sad if Tom left his family. 555 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean, at least that's kind of how it seems. 556 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: I think that Annabel when we first meet her, when 557 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 3: Lynette first comes to kind of confront her in the 558 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: office room by without Tom there, I thought that Annabel 559 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: led with a really beautiful and I would say kind 560 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: of genuine. We really should get like let's put bygones, 561 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: be bygones, we really should get lunch. 562 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 4: Just the two of us. 563 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 3: And I think I struggle with Lynette's character in this 564 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: episode because I felt like Lynette was not able to 565 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: just go, you know what, my relationship is, my relationship 566 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: and I trust it and I feel secure in it. 567 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 3: And you guys had your shot at a relationship and 568 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: it clearly didn't work out. 569 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: But again, if you look at that, then I think 570 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 2: something that the character of Lynette continues to struggle with 571 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: is security. 572 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, her value. 573 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: That she thinks of herself has been taken away because 574 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 2: she doesn't work at the office and she's not a 575 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: big high brown, you know, power player. She's a stay 576 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: at home mom, and in her view, I think she 577 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: still feels insecure about that as a position of value, 578 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: so that it makes sense that she would come at 579 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: it like this. 580 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: And if I were Tom, I mean and I have 581 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: been in dynamics before with partners who have been insecure 582 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: about friendships I have with ex'es, and it is something that. 583 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 4: Is really difficult for me. 584 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: It is difficult for me to feel like I don't 585 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: have a partner that feels secure enough in our relationship 586 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: to trust that the people who are still in my 587 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: life my life are in my life because they're important 588 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: to me. And also, I would never violate the contract 589 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: that I have with the person I'm dating and how 590 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: we relate to each other. 591 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: Can I say another thing that I just noticed from 592 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: this episode, which is we I think we have talked 593 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: before about Wisteria Lane as a. 594 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 5: Place without weather. 595 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: Oh yes, and they make a big deal out of 596 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: this being springs. 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Oh and they make they make our leading lady Whosteria 598 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: Lane looks so good, I know. 599 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: And it's springtime and they say they offer the idea 600 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: that it is time to stop and smell the roses, 601 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: which I just have to say, I put that out 602 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: on my Instagram all the time, like every chance, I 603 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: when when I go for hikes, when I go for walks, 604 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: she knows, like I'm constantly stopping to smell the flowers 605 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: and to look at the bird and listen to the bird, 606 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: and look at the sun and look at the sun. Said, 607 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 2: I am all about those little moments in nature, and 608 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: I really believe they can magically. 609 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 5: Help your life if you do slow down to do that. 610 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: But also like spring cleaning, and I'm a big one 611 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: for throwing things out and like the great sense of 612 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: control that it gives you to like clean out all 613 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: your stuff and purge out all your stuff. But I 614 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: so I love spring. I love spring cleaning. 615 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: I Spring your favorite season. 616 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 5: No, I think fall is my favorite season. 617 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: But but I do love the the you know, idea 618 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: of the flowers and blooming and blossoming and beauty and 619 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: fragrance and all of that that brings into your life. 620 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: And I just thought it was really an interesting moment 621 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, Okay, they're identifying spring and 622 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: what spring can mean on with Steria Lane. 623 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 624 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I noticed it too, because we we have famously 625 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 6: kind of acknowledged that they try not to highlight the 626 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 6: weather or the seasons or any sort of time specifically 627 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 6: dating ourselves in these episodes. But we also got a 628 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 6: fun another fun, big group scene. 629 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: They're rare, but they they we have. 630 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 5: The big barbecue barbecue. 631 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 6: Which I do remember filming because I remember being excited 632 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 6: that everyone was there. I mean, those scenes are long, 633 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 6: and there's so much coverage to get there, so much happening. 634 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 6: We're all called it's a long day. But they're fun 635 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 6: because we get to interact with each. 636 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 4: Other and you know, and had a lot to do 637 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 4: in that. 638 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 6: I did, and I do remember that because Julie is 639 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to extricate herself from this 640 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 6: relationship with Zach, which I guess became so much more 641 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 6: intense to him than to her, but also in my 642 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 6: own recollection, I didn't remember how much of a storyline 643 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 6: this became, but I do remember talking about the way 644 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 6: Julie dresses in this episode and styles herself with our 645 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 6: hair and makeup team, and it being a choice to 646 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 6: have her curl her hair a little and have her 647 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 6: wear a little bit more makeup to kind of signify 648 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 6: that she's getting a little older. 649 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: Did you find that the makeup and hair people were 650 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: supportive of that creative conversation? 651 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: Yes, but I would say yes they all were. 652 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 6: I mean, I loved our hair and makeup team and 653 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 6: they were all always very lovely to me. But I 654 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 6: think I would have made different choices, Like I often 655 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 6: felt a disconnect between how I felt pretty in life 656 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 6: versus how that came across on screen. 657 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 3: What did you feel like the difference was, like, how 658 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: would you style yourself at that age and compared to 659 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: Julie no flip flop? 660 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe no flip flops. 661 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 6: I remember there being a conversation of me wanting to 662 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 6: wear mascara and that being like, oh, that might be 663 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 6: too mature, And I was kind of irritated by that 664 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 6: at that age because I was like, I think I 665 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 6: can pull off a little bit of mask one coat. 666 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to fight for one coat of mascara. 667 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: I've actually seen you when we've gotten our makeup together 668 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: go put on more masks. 669 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a complex. 670 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, pile it on. 671 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 6: No, But you know, I think that that's just a thing. 672 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 6: Like I I got a lot of feedback in the 673 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 6: world when the show was on as a teenager, where 674 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 6: people commented on my looks and felt very comfortable doing 675 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 6: that to my face in publics, and it was often 676 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 6: I think it was an attempt to make me feel good, 677 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 6: but they would describe it as like, oh, you look 678 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 6: so much better in real life than you do on TV. 679 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 5: They said that to me too, and they still do. 680 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a thing. It's a thing, yeah, and it's. 681 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: It's and now for me, it's like, you look good 682 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: for your age. The qualifiers are. 683 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 6: Hard, and they're hard when you're young because you're just like, well, 684 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 6: I don't know what to do with that, and I was. 685 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be gracious. 686 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 6: When people would come up to me in person, but 687 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 6: when they say something like that, you're kind of like. 688 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: It's such a backhand to compliment I've heard you mom 689 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 3: received from people all the time, Oh my god, you 690 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: look so much better in person than you do on TV. 691 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 4: And I sort of like, well, g thanks, it's only. 692 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: My career is being on TV. But like I am 693 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 3: glad I don't look. 694 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 4: As bad as I look on This might not if I'd. 695 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 6: Be too revealing to share, but you know whatever, here 696 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 6: we are being vulnerable. I screenshotted a comment that was 697 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 6: left on me. It was either left on our podcast 698 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 6: page maybe our podcast Instagram. 699 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Anyway, it was very blunt into the point. 700 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 6: It said nice nose job, Andrea, and I screenshotted it 701 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 6: and I showed it to my husband just because I 702 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 6: think it's funny, not because it really doesn't hurt my feelings. 703 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter to me, but I was trying to illustrate. 704 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: I guess to him like, yeah, this still is a thing. 705 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 5: Like and also. 706 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 2: Because you know what I just got what oh this 707 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: is I just got on I think it was my Instagram. Yeah, 708 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 2: I just got because I was on Jesse Tyler Ferguson's 709 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 2: Dinners on Me right and in it, I was in 710 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: the conversation I had with him I was talking about 711 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: not getting facelift and doing bowtrux and all of that stuff, 712 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: which I I mean, I haven't done bowtox or fillers 713 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 2: in over fifteen years. I mean, and even before that, 714 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 2: I never really doubt. I would dabble like for for 715 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: like a minute, and then like for two years I 716 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 2: wouldn't do it again. You know, I never really did 717 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 2: it right. It wasn't really your thing. No, it wasn't 718 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: really my thing. But then but then it became like 719 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 2: never anyway. So this guy's like, well, it's great that 720 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: she finally stopped doing all that filler and botox because 721 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 2: she looked really awful for a while there, but. 722 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 5: Now she looks a little better. You know. 723 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: It's like you damned if you. 724 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 6: Do them on Instagram. 725 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: There you go. 726 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what else about this episode? It's important anything 727 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: that we need to uh be I. 728 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 4: Mean, one thing, just one thing that I wanted to know. 729 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 3: And I feel like we're gonna definitely have fodder for 730 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: an X y Z on this because a lot happens 731 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 3: and we have more people falling in pools at large parties. 732 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 3: You know, we opened the pilot with that. We're coming 733 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: to the close of the season, then we have to 734 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: get two more people in their. 735 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 4: Clothes in the pool. 736 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 3: But one thing, just jumping to Julian Zach's storyline and 737 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 3: Zach and Paul's conversation with each other. When Paul tells Zach, 738 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 3: you know, Julie's not going to be with you. You 739 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 3: aren't that special. I felt so bad for Zach, who 740 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 3: is obviously such a tortured, misunderstood character and has acted 741 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: so well. But it also made me think a lot 742 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 3: about a bigger macro idea which my mom and I 743 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: have talked about over the years, which is, I think 744 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: when you are a teenager, your world can feel so 745 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 3: small and myopic, and these things like a breakup of 746 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 3: a first relationship or moving can just feel so catastrophic 747 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 3: and like your life is over. And I really think, 748 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: you know, when we see teenagers to like take their 749 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: own lives and have really tear rbal cycles of depression, 750 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 3: it can be really dangerous, the sort of tunnel vision 751 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 3: we get in high school of thinking that there is 752 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: nothing beyond these current four years of our existence. And 753 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 3: I just I felt called to at least note that 754 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: I think Zach's character is really poignantly portraying this conflict 755 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 3: that happens a lot in teenage years, and that it's 756 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: really important as parents, or as people who have teenagers 757 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 3: in their life, or if you're a teenager yourself, to 758 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 3: just remember that the world is so much larger than 759 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 3: those four years of high school, as influential as though 760 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 3: they can feel when you're in them. 761 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: If you guys want to hear more about a deeper 762 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: dive on this conversation, then join us for Deep Dive 763 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 2: XYZ episode and that'll be up in a few days. 764 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: And thank you for joining us. And we only have 765 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 2: three left you guys okin. 766 00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 5: Sad all right? 767 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 4: Season two? 768 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true and more but we will. We'll see 769 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: you next week and because we are desperately devoted to you. 770 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 6: Yeah,