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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show.

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Speaker 2: On your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolli he is Matt Williamson, and it is

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Speaker 2: a smoky Friday again here in Pittsburgh as the well,

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Speaker 2: thanks Canada, we give you, we give you, we give

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Speaker 2: you football that you now have with the Canadian Football League.

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Speaker 2: You give us smoke. This is how you repay us.

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Speaker 2: This is how you repay us. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Uh but yeah, I was thinking about this today, Matt.

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Speaker 1: What if this lingers into training camps like that?

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Speaker 3: So Thursday Thursday the Pirates had to postpone their their

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Speaker 3: the start of their twelve thirty five game because of

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Speaker 3: the poor air quality.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like you got.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of teams are going to be going on

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Speaker 2: off the training camp here in less than a month.

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Speaker 2: And you know football is well, it's a little more

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Speaker 2: grueling than baseball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I hadn't thought about that. I mean, frankly, I'm

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Speaker 4: an old, overweight dude, you know, so I kind of

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Speaker 4: was like, I'm playing on mowing the lawn here. When

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Speaker 4: Dale and I are done record, and I'm like, maybe

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Speaker 4: I'll give it a day, you know, like I don't know,

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Speaker 4: which is a nice excuse not to go lawn, but yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: get it done. But is it the smartest thing to

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Speaker 4: be out there doing that as a fifty year old

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Speaker 4: overweight dude. Maybe not. You know, then.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you are over fifty now you got to worry

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Speaker 1: about these things.

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Speaker 4: You gotta worry about these things. So I hadn't thought

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Speaker 4: about Again, I keep my head in the sand with

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Speaker 4: non football things, So I assume this should be gone

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Speaker 4: any minute now, but maybe it won't be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem to be lingering a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and it's a you know, kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 2: So I just wonder, you know, what happens with that,

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Speaker 2: because the Pirates haven't been the only team that have

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Speaker 2: had to do that. We've seen some other teams have

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Speaker 2: to you know, post own or cancel games, you know,

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Speaker 2: to uh to account for this. Because the wind changes,

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Speaker 2: the wind patterns change, and if if you were in

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Speaker 2: the you know, in the wind where the wind is blowing.

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Speaker 1: Out of that direction, you're gonna get some poor air quality.

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Speaker 2: And talking to my my wife's, you know, parents and

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Speaker 2: brothers and sisters. They were they're in the Philadelphia area,

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Speaker 2: and there were some days last month for them where

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Speaker 2: you couldn't see outside.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Wow. And my wife works downtown a couple of

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Speaker 4: days a week and said, it's much different than the

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Speaker 4: kind of feels like a Chernobyl effect almost like it's

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Speaker 4: just hovering there that won't leave.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've also got all the you know, the fumes

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Speaker 1: You know, you're doubling down factories.

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Speaker 4: I mean, imagine if this was the seventies when you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, it would be unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what this is what Pittsburgh used to

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Speaker 1: look like all.

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Speaker 4: The time, all the time, right, A little too not

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Speaker 1: But if you.

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Speaker 2: If you see the old old pictures of there's this

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Speaker 2: couple of websites out there they do Twitter photos of

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Speaker 2: That's what it was. I mean, it was pretty dingy

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Speaker 2: it's just not we've cleaned up the water or the

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Speaker 2: air quality all that stuff, But it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: reminder of that past that it's there like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, the one positive out of you saying about the

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Speaker 4: training camp thing is training camps went that far away. Dale.

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Speaker 4: You know we're gonna be in La Trobe before you

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Speaker 1: So that's three more weeks, Matt, Yeah, I like it's.

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Speaker 4: So far away. But the fact that we could even

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Speaker 4: have that conversation about well, hope the air qualities all right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of things that well, old time, old timey stuff,

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Speaker 2: the gambling stuff was reird it set again.

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Speaker 2: And so we now have Isaiah Rodgers and Rashad Berry

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Speaker 2: all three of those guys, and then Tennessee Titans offensive

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Speaker 2: That's a huge deal for the Titans. I mean, their

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Speaker 4: I think it might be the worst line in the

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Speaker 4: I mean, he has struggled early in his career. They

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Speaker 4: go out and overspend for Dillard on the left side.

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Speaker 4: You know, Skeronsky's a fine pick. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 4: one of your five I would think will be settled.

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Speaker 4: But they want to play him at guard because I mean,

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Speaker 4: don't know the depth of their old line well enough

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They do play the Steelers November second, so he will

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Speaker 2: basically week nine, I believe. So he could be back

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Speaker 2: and starting against the Steelers. Not that that's a you know,

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Speaker 2: an earth shattering move for them.

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Speaker 4: No, but hey, Nicholas, you get the block.

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Speaker 1: TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to Welcome back to the league. Here

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Speaker 1: have TJ. Watt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. This gambling stuff, though, I mean, I hope this

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Speaker 1: Well as you notice it's mostly younger players mm hm.

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Speaker 2: And these are guys that probably you know for much

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Speaker 2: of this, I mean, really, he didn't have the the

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Speaker 2: A lot of the gambling sites are more recent things

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Speaker 2: in terms of the you know, since it's been approved

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Speaker 2: and legal everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is more of a young guy thing.

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Speaker 4: Like we didn't have apps on our phone, and oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean there were there were gambling sites out there.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that you could better, but they weren't legal.

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Speaker 4: Bookie on the corner that your uncle knows or whatever,

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Speaker 1: And I see people complaining about this.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this before, but but for people who

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Speaker 2: for example, bartenders are not permitted to drink behind the

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Speaker 2: you don't even like your your employees who work there

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Speaker 2: they're off hours, let them go somewhere else. But you're

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Speaker 2: you're not allowed by law to serve drinks while you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pour a little rum in your coat behind the bar.

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Speaker 1: That's illegal. You'll be fired.

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Speaker 2: This is no different than that, because I hear people saying, well,

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Speaker 2: the league's being hypocritical about this because it's making money

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Speaker 2: off of gambling. Look, the gambling part of this has

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Speaker 2: been going on before you or I even set foot

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Speaker 4: You mean in terms of it not being legal, right.

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Speaker 1: It's been going on forever.

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Speaker 2: It's never been legal for players, right, this is not

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Speaker 2: something new. And when you walk into an NFL locker

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Speaker 4: What's a hard of mine in big letters.

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Speaker 1: Right there in front of you as you walk into

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you every one of these guys when

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Speaker 2: they came into the league.

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Speaker 1: Heard the gambling policy.

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Speaker 4: Well, they definitely tell you the rookie symposium, and I'm

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Speaker 4: sure every team when they have their initiation type stuff,

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Speaker 4: than they even did in the past. But by no

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley was suspended last all of last year.

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Speaker 2: Right, he's a big name guy, he's a right, Right,

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Speaker 2: and then he was traded at mid seasons just in

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Speaker 2: suspended this year for gambling. Oh, I might not want

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Speaker 4: I might not want to do that. And I guess

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Speaker 4: I mean not to excuse the players, but I think

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Speaker 4: do anything. Well, I'm gonna take that back. I was

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Speaker 4: just saying, if you're on a road trip in Houston

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Speaker 4: and Eurosteeler, it counts the same as being at the facility.

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Speaker 2: I just don't do it at work is basically what

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Speaker 2: they're saying at the right. And don't do it on football.

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, if so, it is legal for any

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Speaker 4: NFL player to bet Major League Baseball sitting in their

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Speaker 1: College football, whatever it may be. You just you can't

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Speaker 1: bet on the NFL, nor should you be able period. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

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Speaker 2: So you can't bet on the NFL, and you can't

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Speaker 4: My hunch is that's where it gets screwed up, is Bolly,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna bet the Pirates bets game today while I'm

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Speaker 2: Where's this thing? So the guys who have done that,

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Speaker 2: the guys who have done that are the ones who've

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Speaker 2: gotten the six game suspensions. Okay, okay, the guys who

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Speaker 2: got the indefinite suspensions.

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Speaker 4: That's I think there should be two different penalties.

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Speaker 1: It should be.

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Speaker 2: And so the fact to me that there were three

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Speaker 2: who were suspended indefinitely?

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Speaker 1: Those guys are betting on foot on the NFL.

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Speaker 4: NFL, and you're even allowed. I mean, Petit Freeer went

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Speaker 4: to Ohio State. He can bet Buck Eye's Wolverines.

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Speaker 1: Right right. It's college football. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Even if he's a year removed and he knows everything

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Speaker 1: But do it at home, don't do it at the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people just think your phone's your phone, doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: where it's at in this case, it matters.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, they can track these things now, right,

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Speaker 4: I heard a suggestion I wish it was some podcasts

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Speaker 4: I listened to that is there technology that Cam Heyward, TJ. Watt,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why you a. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, already.

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Speaker 2: Look, football players, like all professional athletes, are aggressive.

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Speaker 1: They are they like to win.

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Speaker 2: And that's and that's part of you know how gambling

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna win, you know, win, win, win. You know

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Speaker 4: But if playing cards against Pippin and Grant and you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's allowed, you're allowed to do things like that.

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Speaker 2: But you can't bet on the NFL and you can't

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Speaker 2: You see guys all the time, and it's just a

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Speaker 2: fantasy football. They're not allowed to play fantasy football.

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Speaker 4: Nor should they be, because you could be one hundred

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Speaker 4: If I just missed this one, he goes eighty and

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Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, the league does have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a small like it's a it's probably

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Speaker 2: Probably probably So NFL games are not fixed. It would

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Speaker 1: The quarterback involved for sure, the ref, the official.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to present itself and it just

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Speaker 2: doesn't I mean, to have to have an NFL game

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sitting here thinking what would be my

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Speaker 4: to fix a game. What if I give a long

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Speaker 1: He may never play again, right, they never play again?

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Speaker 4: The ones you target. But they're expendable, and that might

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Speaker 2: Those guys are under the same rules, of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's the NFL that happens.

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Speaker 2: There's an upset every weekend that you look at and go, wow,

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Speaker 4: Isn't it the eight that are just horrendous this year

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Speaker 1: They went on, they came and sixty two. They came

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Speaker 4: Right, those games are fixed. The Pirates they.

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Speaker 2: Had like twelve wins going into that stretch and they

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That always kills me when I hear people talk about

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Speaker 1: It's not the case.

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Speaker 2: It actually actually his record against teams that finished the

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, that's the NFL boasts to win. Boy, you're

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Speaker 2: We saw it last year more than I mean as

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Speaker 1: About, well, you know, Alabama would be Houston, No, they wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: They wouldn't every time.

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Speaker 2: You know, if if the Texans are engaged and they're

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And Bama might have ten first round picks on

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Every player on every NFL team was the best player

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Speaker 4: Team, and they've been practicing for years and they're twenty.

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Speaker 1: Eight year old men, stronger, faster.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Houston could throw a blitz package up that

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Speaker 4: Alabama's never seen it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: I mean you hear that when you talk to different

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean the game is not fixed. The

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Speaker 2: You have to you have to crack down on this

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Speaker 1: First of all, NFL games can't happen.

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Speaker 2: But you also you can't have your players racking up

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Speaker 4: Here, yeah, or sprain your ankle and be out for

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Speaker 1: Of the year, or you know, yeah, yeah, I hear you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my biggest hope is tomorrow next week. We're

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Speaker 1: But is it?

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Speaker 2: It is interesting that there's been like a handful of

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if Jeff Saturday is preaching.

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Speaker 1: It in a lot of young players. I think that's

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Speaker 4: Lions are the same thing.

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Speaker 2: So if you if your veterans in your locker room

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Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't mean the Steelers can't have one.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can have somebody who just who makes a mistake.

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Speaker 1: It happens.

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Speaker 4: But I'm sure coach Tomlin and Cam Hayward have mentioned it,

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Speaker 4: Let's put twenty bucks on, Let's put two thousand bucks on.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: I just don't do it in the locker room or

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Speaker 1: Not that hard. It's not that hard.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that hard?

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Speaker 2: So anyways, we're going to take a break. Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. When we come back, Matt, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you saw this one, but ESPN has

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's dig in.

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Speaker 2: Let's dig into that and see that that's a Mike

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