WEBVTT - Player’s Lounge: Run It Back? 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:14.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge, 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:19.320 broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.919 Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Hecma Harrison and 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:27.880 Newi Scruggs. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.720 Class Lones That then right here on Monday back at 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.440 Business Finals show here, Black. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:47.520 History Months, strong Man, the Insha Brothers. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:51.879 You get your Wonder. 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:59.360 Speak class bathrooms over there, Percy. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.720 Lescules Bury Church here in the house. We're glad to 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.560 conversate with him before he hits the links. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:05.720 Here. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.440 We gotta Maharrison in the house sure here and the 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.000 national champion he is Danny Cray, I knew. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.000 Don't run up, don't run up all whatever you run 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:24.319 them camp, don't do it. It's crazy. We don't take 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.520 it that seriously. You know, we got a different demographic 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.240 out here. We don't see too much of that. And 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:36.759 we got security that's crazy. Cam Newton videos what they're referencing. Hey, look, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.840 stop messing with them. West Atlanta boards, Cam Newton, Pacman Jones. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.880 They ready, they are ready, they are ready for you. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.240 But I'll never understand people that want to challenge former. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:52.600 Athletes in public to do it's just not smart that. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:53.880 And I tell you the other thing too. I grew 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.960 up because my dad was in the military, grew up 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.280 on a pope. I don't mess with nobody been in 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.920 the army, especially people have been those units, rangers exactly. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.360 These are trained killers. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:06.680 I think they can handle themselves. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.400 Like you don't know. I don't care how. My dad's 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.920 seventy years old. I don't know what he knows unless 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.080 train killers. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.359 Man, and they don't quit. Nah, you's done. A win 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:25.799 is not a win. You can't just do this. You 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:40.560 know time. Hey man, I'm telling you what though. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:41.320 That hurt me. Man. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.240 I didn't like to see that, and I don't like 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.000 to see when athletes like you guys go back to 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.160 your respect. The neighborhoods are supporting the neighborhood being visible, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.959 giving athletes, young athletes an opportunity, and these are the 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.800 environment that's being set now. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.239 I don't know the entire story. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.280 I don't know if Cam's out there handling those I 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.240 don't know, But all I'm saying is it's not a 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:06.399 good look when you have a guy of Cam's stature 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.760 that is supporting the youth doing what he's doing, and 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.520 it turns into that and I don't know what's happening, man, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.840 with youth athletics period where we're having events like this. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.320 I mean, we had something very tragic happening here a 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.600 couple of years ago with a shooting on a pee 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.960 wee league field. You know, it's just come on, now, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.320 you can't be taking this stuff this series. Man, it's 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.160 crazy and it's not And you don't get guys like 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.560 Barry Church and dannymccrat to come to your neighborhood and 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.840 support your kids when you got. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:35.360 That kind of stuff. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.760 I think the main part that that's happening here is parents, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.440 who most of the time have been the issue. They 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.160 just continue to forget that it is about the kids 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.080 and the young folks right trying like if cam Newon 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.720 decides he man, it's over right, So all the kids 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.680 that paid to go out there, you know what I'm saying, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 to get whatever type of spotlight they wanted to get, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.920 whatever type of notoriety that they're trying to get to 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.920 get to college, all of a sudden that's over with 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.880 not a parent who is no longer your time to 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.080 get recruited to have that opportunity. Now you're taking it. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.800 Now you're taking it away from the kid. And I 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.760 think that's that is the biggest thing that's happened. Like 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.080 parents are out of control. Like if I'm if I'm 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.200 hosting something like that, I'm almost telling eight parents. You 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.800 can't come and one coach per team, just one. You 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.240 don't need your whole crew out there, because you see 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.600 what happens. Dude, get get attacked by two three people 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.599 right because they all they had attacked. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.560 I mean it looked like it looked like he was 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:34.440 swatting flies for legal purposes. He got and that was 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.440 what happened. And don't run up on nobody, man, Church here. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.200 When you're you're little and start playing, you'll you'll get 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:41.880 a whole lot too. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:42.160 Man. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.480 I stand on another side of the field or sit 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.560 somewhere across the gym away from people. I just do it, man, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.279 because I don't I don't say anything. I just don't 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.760 want to hear people say anything. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.800 They get crazy like okay, I don't think. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:59.359 So w. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:04.719 You gotta be. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:15.080 Where we're going from here. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:27.400 Let's talk about the Cliff Cowboys. Your video, what you 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:28.960 send that out to you real quick. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.560 Mike McCarthy, the head of the Cowboys and defensive coordinator 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:45.080 Go Dragon, are not going to the Combine. So Sean 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.600 McVay the Los Angeles rams Is also decided not to 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.360 go to the Combine for a second straight year. Mike 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.800 McCarthy saying with the new defensive changes, he can get 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.400 more work done back at Star. So McCarthy not going deep, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.960 it's coordinator not going I'll go around the room, start 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.120 with you, Burry Church, your thoughts. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.400 I understand it, to be honest with you. You know 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.760 that there's a lot of hype behind the combine, and 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.560 I get it. You get to see, you know, some 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.760 of the measurables, the forty, the vert and all that 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:15.360 good stuff. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.000 But what confuses me about the combine is. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.960 How do people move up and down draft boards by 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.760 getting evaluated with T shirts and shorts on? Like when 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.039 are you on the football field running a straight line 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:29.680 for forty yards? 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:30.160 Like that? 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.520 To me, I understand the l drill and the short 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.760 shuttle because that's that's quickness. You know, that's a slot receiver. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:35.960 They need to show how they can get in and 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.440 out of breaks. And I get all that and maybe 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.920 even the quarterbacks throwing, but there's no pass rush, there's 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.320 no people in your way. You're not gonna see that 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.600 International Football League. You're not gonna see that at all. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.159 So I understand some things about the combine. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.520 The interviews. You get to see these. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:50.200 Guys one on one. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.680 They really pick their brain and how you know, intelligent 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.680 they are when it comes to understanding concepts as far 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:55.680 as football is concerned. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.839 But when you talk about, you know, evaluating a player. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.360 I feel like you got to look at that tape 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.760 and that's what I feel like McCarthy's doing. He's not 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.600 gonna be, you know, at the combat, he's gonna be 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.840 looking at tape, getting his defensive you know, crew all 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.960 together and breaking down the people that he thinks can 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.080 make this defense better. And I think that's the right 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.920 path to go about it. When you go into this combine. Yeah, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.680 you may be able to see this guy. He's fast, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.720 he's but how many times have we seen a guy 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.280 running four to two six and when he gets on 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:20.760 a football field looks like he runs a four to 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.040 seven or four to six. I mean, to me, there's 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.240 too much hype involved with the combine, and I don't 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.440 see how people move up and down leader boards or 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.360 draft boards based on performing in shorts and T shirts 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:30.720 when you're not. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:31.880 Gonna do that on the football field. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.760 There's too many mistakes that could be made when you 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.960 go off of just what a guy does at the 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.040 scouting combined and you don't do your due diligence and 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.240 look at the tape. And I think Will McLay and 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.960 his scouting department are definitely gonna do that. And for 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.160 Mike McCarthy at this point, and man, he's it's sad 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.800 to say, you know that he's coaching for his job. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.080 He's doing everything that he possibly can to not have 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.080 that be to turn or interfere him from what he 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.760 has to do because honestly, yeah, they have to fix this, 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.800 this running game, They have to fix this, this running defense. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:02.800 They know what they have in front of them, and 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.200 they're not gonna go off of you know how many 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.200 Twitter followers a guy has a viral moment and him 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.600 training and so many guys have moved up the leader 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.200 board are being you know, drafted because of those intangibles 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.280 that have nothing to do with playing on Sunday or 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.600 playing you know, playing football. Most of the time, the most, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.520 the elite guys. They skipped the camp altogether anyway, so 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.240 you're not gonna see any of them. And I think 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.720 for the scouting department, especially when you're talking about that 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.160 that three through seven mix, you want to get an 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.240 opportunity to touch these guys, see them, see him in 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.160 the classroom, understand who they are. Because you're only looking 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:39.720 at the product on the field. You don't know if 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.120 this guy's a knucklehead or what he is, you know, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.360 So look, I agree with you. It's for the most part, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:51.040 the combine, it's just about being able to see these 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.160 athletes and not so much the numbers itself. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.679 Yeah, I think one. I don't think it's for everybody. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.400 I think it's for maybe like third round and under 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.559 like guys who guys who you may have watched the 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.199 film you and you don't really get a feeling of 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.240 how fast he is, and you may think he's a 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.599 four to seven, but then you get out there and 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.640 run a four four you're like, oh, that's that's the guy. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.880 But there's a group of guys who probably it doesn't 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.560 help them as much the guy who you already expect 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.719 to run a four to two, who can only go 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.600 out there and run a four to four and then 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.120 all of a sudden, you like, he not as fast 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.839 as he was, So I think it's more of a 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.760 meet and Greek type of thing. I think the most 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.080 important part is those interviews and those questions where you're 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.640 trying to get a feel for what type of person 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.600 this guy is, Especially the first round guys who you're 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.000 going to spend a lot of money on. You want 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.000 to know, like, hey, in a room, do I get 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.520 a good vibe from this person right based off whatever 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.520 question I'm gonna ask him? And sometimes I do think 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.400 it gets a little outlandish with some of the questions 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.000 that we hear. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:46.839 Come out of the combine. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.640 But it's like as far as like the straightforward questions 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.640 where you're trying to figure out who this person is, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.679 get a chance to talk to him, pull him to 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.560 the side, figure out like what drives and what type 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.080 of family life, all that type of stuff. I think 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.000 that's very important. But the performerst thing is, you know, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.040 they got prodain, got filmed, we got a whole bunch 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:05.760 of other stuff that you If a guy goes out 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.480 there and run a four to seven, he's likely going 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:08.800 to go to protein and run a four four. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.480 That's just the thing. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.719 So Mike McCarthy will participate by zooma, you know, so 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.360 he'll he'll he'll be able to be a part of 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.280 the interviews when they when they bring in prospects. But 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.240 he's just not you know, he's just not going up there. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.559 And I agree with what everyone is saying here about these. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.000 If you're a and will McClay one of the best 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.880 in the National Football League, I think it's a piece 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.400 of the puzzle. That's all it's. I think that's all 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.840 it's ever supposed to have been. Here's a little bit 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.320 of piece of the puzzle, and this is just one 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.280 more thing we get to kind of look at. But 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.640 I do believe the media aspect of what this is 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.559 now for those that want to make the NFL a 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.760 twenty four to seven business. And we've got more folks 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.160 than ever in the media now who are aggregating stories. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.760 So you got to have something to talk about, something 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.160 to write about, Oh so and so now moving up here, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.000 or when Byron Jones. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.360 Who played with the Cowboys, when he had that incredible 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.240 combine and people that moved him up it was something 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:06.720 to write about. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.600 Hey, let's look at this guy from Ukony shooting up 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.760 draft wards. This is the stuff that people who love 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.840 the NFL right now, they consume it because there's nothing 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.120 else to consume, and we're watching NFL. Get up football, 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.480 Good morning football, the whole thing right now. How harsh 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.120 will the forty nine has hangover beat, Let me gave 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.600 me we play Superpow We over this. This is their 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.120 lead segment. But this is what it is right now. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.319 People are desperate. So it's talking about the combine, it's 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.839 talking about free agency, so by the salary cap with 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.199 up it's not real football. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.080 And so that's how we find ourselves in the weeks 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.800 because we're not talking about, oh he's strong. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:45.400 Do you see that. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.520 Strong light bull? I don't know how much just affected 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:51.679 the draft board, but look at C. J. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.719 Strong was at last year when they said, oh man, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.720 he had one of the worst test scores or whatever 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.079 it is, the want to look whatever he can't understand, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.199 and he goes out there it has one of the 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.800 best rookie seasons there is. I Bettion to Carolina Panthers 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.520 would have been like, man, was we to talk Tod Trup. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.800 It's just you know, things like that it's just like, man, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.839 what you know terrible? 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:10.520 One to look at school? 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:11.360 Terrible? 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.920 But anybody turning you got too young? But somebody turned 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.679 on the tape from Pitt dude through lasers? What do 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.360 you go to the NFL do through lasers? Bottom, it's 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.160 supposed all of this, in my opinion, it's supposed to 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:27.559 be at peace. And like any amounts of information you get, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.400 just like if you're studying for tepe, you get all 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.160 this information, you go and find the stuff that you 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.280 feel is important. What this is, what I think will help, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.760 and then you take the other stuff and you throw 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.079 it out. That's how you make decisions. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.199 You're gonna get all this information, especially now analytically we 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.640 got so much stuff, but we could look at the 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:44.200 all right. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.400 So Bill Walsh had a great grading system. You had 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.120 to run a certain number for him or you could 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.160 not be a receiver in the San Francisco forty nine 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.000 ers that was his organ. You had to be a 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.520 certain height and you five seven five eight. Then you 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.800 couldn't play for him. He wanted to have receivers. It 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.760 was you had to run a certain forty And I 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.199 think there's nothing wrong with that. Is you're developing what 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:06.520 type of team you want. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.319 But Bill Watsh was smart enough to go to Mississippi 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.040 Valley State and see a guy running four nine and 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:16.240 say that's all right, we'll take it sometimes, and I 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.400 think it's not a one size fits all And that's 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.160 why I think film study is so important, and when 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.080 we talk about the combine and analytics, how it plays 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.600 into it now, just specifically the cowboys, they can't get 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.160 caught up in that. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:31.400 Man. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.080 They have to find guys that, especially in this draft, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.080 that can hit the ground running straight off the bus. Dude, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.640 you know he coming right now. We know he's going 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.040 to be a Day one guy. And those are the 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.840 hardest guys to pick. I think when you're especially looking 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:44.720 at the guys out of the. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:45.520 Color, we know. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.439 I would say this, I don't mind. I'm not going 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.120 to not being there. I know how to answer the question. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:53.959 I think him and Zimmer do need to get on 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.839 the same page about how there because that's a big 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.679 change going from Quinn to Zimmer and figuring out the 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.480 culture and to know this is how things go when 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.599 these this player thinks this way, this is how he 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.559 reacts or whatever. I think that you can get a 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.160 lot of good information from them spending this time together 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.840 versus being out there at the combine. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.640 Let's let's kind of go around the room and talk 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.520 about that. So what we've seen from a guy like 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.480 Zimmer through that he likes bigger defensive tackles, and then 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.840 when it comes to linebackers, he places a bigger emphasis 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.160 on linebackers, I think, much more so than what d 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.000 you had here. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.240 The kind of linebackers that he Kean O'Neill is not 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.200 a guy that that Zimmer has been using in the past. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:28.800 So I think that's a very important thing. You talk 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.200 about Barrieus and Danny and and let's get Heckman here and. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:43.480 Start with you. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.840 What do you think happens at the linebacker spot? Because 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.040 I just think, right off the top of my head, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.600 when I think about Zimmer between Dallas and Cincinnati and Minnesota, 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.720 the linebackers he used a little bit different than what 0:14:58.760 --> 0:14:59.120 we saw. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.280 F Zim, I'm looking at that. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.040 I look no further than that Buffalo game if I'm 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.760 talking about the linebackers, if I'm basing anything, I'm looking 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:07.920 at what happened. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.440 In that Buffalo game and the way that they were 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:10.400 able to run the ball and. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.800 How we saw some of our linebackers getting drugged down 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.320 the field, and we need We can't go with the 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.080 hybrid approach. We need a guy that is a true 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.680 four to three linebacker or a true three four linebacker. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:24.680 Guys that can be in the middle of the field. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.600 Guys that can rotate also and go maybe able to 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.920 the wheel. Are the sam depending on how he's gonna 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.720 use Micah, but yeah, he's gonna go with a bigger 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.280 He's gonna go with a bigger guy. I think Eric 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.520 Kendrick set that played for the Vikings Man one of 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.040 my favorite linebackers was a dog. Maybe not as tall 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.200 as you is you would like for your linebacker, but 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.600 Stout two forty four something like that, but a guy 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.320 that was a dog against the run, a guy that 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.520 didn't give give any space. All we need right now 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.200 is guys that are coming downhill, guys that are filling 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.200 those gaps. We needed dtackles when you talk about bigger 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.600 defensive tackles, guys that can hold their own and not 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.440 allow those tight ends and those tackles to shit and 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.200 get downhill on our defense, which we saw that a lot, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.040 and that that just pretty much nullified mark guys like 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.800 Marquise Bell that was playing out of position already once 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.120 offensive coordinators kind of figured out what dan Quinn. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:13.280 Wanted to do. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.240 Yet, when I think about Zimmer and his type of defenses, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:17.840 you look at, you know, like a guy like Anthony 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.440 Barr when he was in his hey, big old linebacker 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.760 in the middle, just kind of being able to handle 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.920 those offensive lineen that may kind of sneak up to him. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.600 You look at a guy like Linval Joseph, those defensive 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.040 tackles he had over there in Minnesota, And to me, 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.520 I don't think you'll see like in quinn system, you 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.320 see in a lot of three safeties. You've seen a 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.400 lot of packages where you know they had two safeties 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.120 hooker don't and then you had Curse, you know, patrolling 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:39.480 the box. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.040 I don't think you'll see a lot of that, you know. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.520 I think you'll see two traditional safeties and they'll have 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.400 those athletic linebackers that are bigger body that can handle 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.280 the run but also be productive in past coverage as well. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.600 I think, you know, Bell is outstanding. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.000 When you talk about a guy third down coverage, maybe 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.480 he needs to cover one of those running backs or 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.480 cover those tight ends. I think that's the perfect role 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.520 for him, coming in on third down, coming in on 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.280 passing type situations, but an everyday, first second down type 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.000 of back. I just don't see that because you're caught 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.359 up to us in the playoffs when they figured he 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:08.040 was going to be in there. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.359 We're going to run straight at this guy, and it 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.000 caught up to the Coweys at the worst situation. 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.639 So to me, you have the pieces that you can 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.760 kind of plug and play with as far as Zimmer 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.919 is concerned, but you got to get those mainstay pieces 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.560 that'll be their first, second, and third down to handle 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:21.320 that run situation. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:21.800 Yeah. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.960 I think the biggest thing that Zimmer's going to have 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.480 to focus on us as a Cowboys organization is depth 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.280 at the linebacker spot, because I think that's what got 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.480 us last season. I think you go into it and 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.720 you're looking at the off season. You're saying, Okay, Vanderish 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.320 is coming back, you got Overshaun, You're looking at Clark, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.160 and that's what you're looking at going into the season, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.320 and then you lose Overshan, and then you lose Vanderush 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.520 and now instead of being able to bring guys in 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.159 which they did try to. You have to, you know, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.000 go with a guy like Marquie's Bell. So I think 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.600 having that depth, knowing that you do have those two 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.680 of those guys coming back with the Clark and the Overshan. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.400 Hopefully Overshaun comes back off the injury healthy. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:56.680 And ready to go. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.359 But that depth at that linebacker position that wants to 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.080 help Zimmer play the type of defense that he wants 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:04.800 to play, is going to be really important. And that's 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.800 why free agency and that's why it's free agency is 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:08.840 they have to make a market. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:09.479