Speaker 1: Do you suffer from something like anaphylaxis? If you if
Speaker 1: you are the opposite of throat go and your throat
Speaker 1: closes up from contact, then you gotta be responsible, you know,
Speaker 1: Nancy Reagan, you gotta you gotta take your time to
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Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama told me the
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Speaker 1: Trey Songs invented sex, but more importantly, he invented sexual assault.
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Speaker 1: your host, Lankston Kerman as always coming in hot baby
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Speaker 1: But that's that's not important, because my guest today, I
Speaker 1: don't think she ships where she sleeps. I think she
Speaker 1: probably sleeps in a completely separate space from where she ships,
Speaker 1: and I bet they're both beautiful spaces. She's she's a
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Speaker 1: from her work on single Drunk Female show That is
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Speaker 1: my guest, Miss Madison Shepherd. Hello, oh yeah, oh my gosh. Wow.
Speaker 1: I would like to make people feel welcome here. Listen,
Speaker 1: I mean from your studio apartment to mine. I love it.
Speaker 1: Don't you say that they said it's a one bed room.
Speaker 1: Don't you take this away from me? How are we? How?
Speaker 1: How's everything are you? Well? I'm I'm well. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: excited for all the stuff to come. I'm keeping a hopeful,
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Speaker 1: You know it's so good. That doesn't sound like the
Speaker 1: way I approach things, But I'm excited that that's you
Speaker 1: to each of his own. I guess if that's how
Speaker 1: you want to do it. I'm I'm more of a
Speaker 1: of a gun in my back pocket kind of man.
Speaker 1: You know, at this point, I don't actually have one. Metaphorically,
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand, let's not let's not meander here,
Speaker 1: let's not dilly dally right as as the streets would say,
Speaker 1: we have a really I guess a good I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be an exciting conversation to enter to
Speaker 1: enter into today because your conspiracy theory. You said, my
Speaker 1: mama told me black people are being targeted with an
Speaker 1: anti vax propaganda. Yeah, it's more well, I mean probably
Speaker 1: the most. The biggest example of this is there was
Speaker 1: a film that came out last year about medical racism,
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, supposed to be this like
Speaker 1: one hour free expose about how the medical institution is
Speaker 1: killing black people with not it doesn't blatantly say the
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine, but it is clearly about the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because I also, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not on black Twitter no more because I had a
Speaker 1: little issue with Twitter, and uh, I was busy wasting
Speaker 1: my time. You know. I was like, listen, I was
Speaker 1: spending too much time, was affecting my mental health. I
Speaker 1: was like, there are better Let me go walk outside
Speaker 1: or pet a dog or anything but a cursed app.
Speaker 1: So I got out the Twitter before before you go
Speaker 1: any further, you said you're not on Twitter anymore because
Speaker 1: you had an issue. Was this just a personal issue
Speaker 1: where you were like I am not doing well with
Speaker 1: this or was it like, oh, they came for you
Speaker 1: in a way that you had to uh to dismount
Speaker 1: from this space and never returned to it. Unfortunately, that
Speaker 1: was never really my journey on Twitter. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody buck. I felt like I was on Twitter
Speaker 1: for seven years and I did all the things, and
Speaker 1: then nothing happened on my Twitter. So I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I give it up, you know, maybe it's like
Speaker 1: not for me. So unfortunately nobody cares enough about me
Speaker 1: to come for me. But it's a sad truth, and
Speaker 1: listen that that sometimes can feel more heartbreaking than than
Speaker 1: if they say they want to kill you dead. Right.
Speaker 1: Indifferences a bit, but anyways, I was just like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing on Twitter? It's a waste of time.
Speaker 1: But anyways, you know, I'm on black Internet, and there's
Speaker 1: beyond this, like film that circulated a lot last year,
Speaker 1: there's memes and TikTok's and all of this sort of
Speaker 1: propaganda that's like really leaning into black people's in America's
Speaker 1: inherent distrust of the medical community, which is real, but
Speaker 1: using it in a way to dissuade black people from
Speaker 1: getting the vaccine that they are which will protect them
Speaker 1: from a virus which they are disproportionately affected by, which
Speaker 1: is insane. But it's all comes from these like this's
Speaker 1: a group of like basically they call it, I think
Speaker 1: it's like the Dirty Dozen is like the name for it.
Speaker 1: But it's the group of like twelve people who put
Speaker 1: out like sixty or of all of the anti vax
Speaker 1: misinformation in America. So, yeah, we were targed. So we
Speaker 1: were targeted specifically. So the film that you're referring to,
Speaker 1: and this is I'm glad you're bringing it up so
Speaker 1: early in this, But the film that you're referring to
Speaker 1: came from former Senator Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The son
Speaker 1: of of the Kennedy that everybody liked and the nephew
Speaker 1: of the Kennedy that everybody liked. For a while, and
Speaker 1: then they killed him. I guess they killed both of them,
Speaker 1: but one day shot uh I guess cooler than the
Speaker 1: other one. Either way, one of them fucked Marilyn Monroe,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like definitely, Yeah, they all,
Speaker 1: like the boys, had fun and then they got taken
Speaker 1: out of here pretty quickly. But the point is that
Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I think, is much more of
Speaker 1: a wild conspiracy theorists and sort of a a person
Speaker 1: living in the outliers of the Democrat Raddick Party and
Speaker 1: not necessarily a welcomed voice. But he put together this
Speaker 1: film entitled Medical Racism the New Apartheid, in which it
Speaker 1: did exactly what you were suggesting. It was meant to
Speaker 1: target black and brown people, to get them to to see,
Speaker 1: to open their eyes to the possibility that in fact,
Speaker 1: the vaccine was wrong and dangerous and meant to hurt them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean that came out. I think it was
Speaker 1: last summer, you know, during that three weeks when we
Speaker 1: forgot about the freaking COVID virus and we were just
Speaker 1: out maskless, you know what I mean, just living our
Speaker 1: lives in June. This is probably I think it came
Speaker 1: out before the delta variant really got us. But you know, anecdotally,
Speaker 1: I worked during the pandemic when everything shut down, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a job. I was like, funk, what am
Speaker 1: I gonna do? And I worked at a vaccine and
Speaker 1: testing sites in Los Angeles, and so I got to
Speaker 1: see firsthand directly from like specifically older black people who
Speaker 1: would be there to take a relative to get the vaccine,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I can get you vaccinated right now.
Speaker 1: You just say the word, I'll make you an appointment,
Speaker 1: will set it up. I have an extra shot right
Speaker 1: here for you. And they would literally be in the
Speaker 1: car holding the hand of their relative and say no,
Speaker 1: I'm good DA. So that was before this documentary even
Speaker 1: came out. So I think it was that document quote documentary.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the finger quotation things for the listeners. We
Speaker 1: got silent mix on this podcast, so when it comes
Speaker 1: in hot, it's loud, it's it's a talu size, its slants,
Speaker 1: it's underlined, it's bolded. Documents read. So when this came out,
Speaker 1: like I think it's just a kind of a large
Speaker 1: part of a larger wave of stuff that was coming
Speaker 1: out about why the vaccine is anti black and we
Speaker 1: shouldn't get it. Yeah, it's it's interest thing because so
Speaker 1: much of this propaganda, right is it reminds me a lot.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a good way of entering the what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. It reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: when they told us that that the Russians had hacked
Speaker 1: our elections? Do you know what I mean that? Like
Speaker 1: they said this thing where where for a while it
Speaker 1: felt like they had like literally gotten into our database
Speaker 1: and we're changing the votes to to not be for
Speaker 1: Hillary and instead for Trump. And then after a while
Speaker 1: it became clear, Oh, they didn't do nothing but get
Speaker 1: on Facebook and say some wild ship and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of us were already toxic and sick and willing
Speaker 1: to play wild ship games, so when they started talking,
Speaker 1: we were like, fuck, yeah, I get down with this ship.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a a hacking of our elections as
Speaker 1: much as it was them just starting a conversation and
Speaker 1: us being broken enough to continue it. Yeah it, And
Speaker 1: I mean the vaccine, Uh, you know, there's something like
Speaker 1: five billion people worldwide have gotten it. So like obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, anecdotally, most of us survived it and our
Speaker 1: doing fine in our triple vax and all of that,
Speaker 1: but there's still people who. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: change people's minds once they have emotionally connected with an
Speaker 1: idea or I believe it's really hard. Like even though
Speaker 1: like that whole stuff about the election, my mom still
Speaker 1: says wild tinfoil hat shit about the Russians involvement in
Speaker 1: our election, but she was the main wine shared shipped
Speaker 1: on Facebook. I'm like, Mom, this isn't even a reputable source.
Speaker 1: Where did you read the article? She's like no, but
Speaker 1: the headline says it all. I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to disengage our our minds
Speaker 1: and hearts from a topic if we believe it to
Speaker 1: be true. You know, I think what makes now so
Speaker 1: cool is that we are all trying to be a
Speaker 1: helpful resource to other people, like and and this is
Speaker 1: me trying to approach this, I guess with less cynicism
Speaker 1: than I often approach a lot of things. But I
Speaker 1: do think that there's a part of us that's at
Speaker 1: least trying to be a helpful resource where we go,
Speaker 1: like I read this thing about the vaccine or about
Speaker 1: COVID or about like all of the ship and then
Speaker 1: I'm willing to go share that information with the world
Speaker 1: with the intent that like, I want the people around
Speaker 1: me to also be awakened to that truth. But then
Speaker 1: you you see what truth they're trying to awake us too.
Speaker 1: When you're like, bro, that's that's dumb. It's that you
Speaker 1: didn't read, Like you can't awake I can't be awakened
Speaker 1: if you didn't read. Yeah, no, I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: name of that gallon TikTok who came up with that?
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's an upside down triangle where it's
Speaker 1: like and RC theory will keep you on the hook
Speaker 1: until it starts to get weird, and like everyone sort
Speaker 1: of has this breaking point, but some people never get off,
Speaker 1: and so then they just continue to go on this
Speaker 1: massive journey of disinformation because they're hooks. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it's why it's it's uh, it feels like this
Speaker 1: unbeatable game almost of like it's it's like you said,
Speaker 1: it's once you're on the hook, you can't fucking get
Speaker 1: off the hook. It just it continues to latch onto
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, I'm somebody who gets
Speaker 1: off the hook quick. I'm like, you know what, this
Speaker 1: is a lot of work at a certain point, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's too much. Listen. I was a B student and
Speaker 1: I don't need to, like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't like stay involved and do my own resource ship.
Speaker 1: I don't have so many books I haven't read sitting
Speaker 1: on my nightstand right now. Why do I need to
Speaker 1: do my own research about something? It's like I'm done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And frankly most of us were were be students and
Speaker 1: below you know what I mean, Like, there's a reason
Speaker 1: a students are a students and it represents a type
Speaker 1: of exceptional care in reading and effort, or at least
Speaker 1: pretending learning the game enough to pretend to do so.
Speaker 1: But it it's the reality is a lot of us
Speaker 1: probably couldn't do effective research even if we wanted to,
Speaker 1: and to pretend Like suddenly at thirty eight, you've like
Speaker 1: you've nailed down how to break break down a peer
Speaker 1: reviewed article. You're full of shit. You don't know anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, even in like I was just like,
Speaker 1: let me go to the CDC website just to like
Speaker 1: look at an article or two before I come in
Speaker 1: and speak on this like topic with you. And like
Speaker 1: I started scrolling and I was like, well, where are
Speaker 1: the picture graphs. I mean, give me the highlights. I
Speaker 1: was like two paragraphs in and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta find another source because I'm not reading this
Speaker 1: ship right now. No. I feel the exact same way.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm literally attempting to make sense of an article
Speaker 1: as we speak, just to be able to to use
Speaker 1: some of that resource when you talk about the research
Speaker 1: and ship and a whole lot of it would be
Speaker 1: made easier if there was like a thumb that you know,
Speaker 1: or like one of the pictures where it's like filling
Speaker 1: up to the brim and you just look at the
Speaker 1: number on the brim and you're like, Okay, I understand this,
Speaker 1: but it's all these lofty words and in medical terms
Speaker 1: that I'm not familiar with, so I the article is
Speaker 1: not gonna make sense to me. I immediately get lost
Speaker 1: when it's too many percentages and then like long scientific
Speaker 1: words that I don't know, and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess that's it. Yeah. What sucks me up is when
Speaker 1: they do percentages, like they'll say like, this group represented
Speaker 1: this percentage of this thing, and then afterwards they'll say
Speaker 1: what sounds like very similar language and give you a
Speaker 1: different percentage, and then I go, all right, well, which
Speaker 1: one is the percent I was looking for for what
Speaker 1: I need? You know what I mean? Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to always parse out the difference in terms
Speaker 1: of like what these numbers to represent. And that truly
Speaker 1: is the reason people go to school is to be
Speaker 1: able to like differentiate between what things mean. And I
Speaker 1: didn't do that. I went to school for fucking poetry.
Speaker 1: I have no clue what any of this is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of acting school, so you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, honestly, it's the same boat, different but
Speaker 1: you're you're doing it now. Huh look at look at you.
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of fucking idiots probably stayed in school
Speaker 1: and and aren't on TV shows, right, people who fucking
Speaker 1: took math beyond geometry. Good for them, I guess, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you should. You guys should feel stupid. Yeah, dummies, Madison said,
Speaker 1: sucker dick, you dumb dumbs. Okay, So you're you're clearly
Speaker 1: not on board with or, at least from what I'm gathering,
Speaker 1: you're not a n anti vax or you're not a
Speaker 1: person on board with any of what this this propaga
Speaker 1: and is asking us to believe. I guess the question
Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we go to break
Speaker 1: is do you feel uh And I'm specifically asking this
Speaker 1: from I guess a black perspective, whatever that means, But
Speaker 1: do you feel like you at least understand or or
Speaker 1: connect with why this anti VAXX propaganda matters so much
Speaker 1: to the black community. I mean, again, just an anecdote here,
Speaker 1: but when I was working at the vaccine site, when
Speaker 1: when I found out in November that there would be
Speaker 1: a vaccine coming and that we because we were working
Speaker 1: what was testing at the time, but we were working
Speaker 1: and testing in vaccines, that we would be first on
Speaker 1: the list to get the vaccine. Initially, I was like,
Speaker 1: looking around other black people at the sidelight, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna do this right, Like yeah, y'all, go ahead, y'all first,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'll catch up with you later, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think that's off for me. And then came anywarry
Speaker 1: one and they were like, um, so, who wants to
Speaker 1: get the vaccine? And I raised my hand. First, let
Speaker 1: me tell you, not of the people, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And not only that, but I looked at
Speaker 1: other black people and I was like you have to
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I mean. You have to
Speaker 1: get it. Like we're getting it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I understand why people have been unsure of getting it,
Speaker 1: but just due to the history and all that. But like, frankly,
Speaker 1: like people are smarter than me, and I just gotta
Speaker 1: listen to like the scientist and you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's um That's similar to how I sort
Speaker 1: of approached it. I didn't want to be first in
Speaker 1: line by any means, and I like had a lot
Speaker 1: of hesitancy that you can probably even track in the
Speaker 1: communication on this podcast. There was a points where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know about fucker. I'm not saying don't do it,
Speaker 1: but takeing time. But then it reached a point where
Speaker 1: it was like I really want to go back outside,
Speaker 1: and I think this is how I do it. So
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm willing to get this shot because whatever,
Speaker 1: especially the fear, like I think I I relate most
Speaker 1: with the fear that the government has obviously demonstrated a
Speaker 1: a very intentional history of poisoning black people and other
Speaker 1: types of people of color over the course of centuries.
Speaker 1: Right that, like literally if you look throughout, Like the
Speaker 1: type of ships and ship that they've done. Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: is a great example, like literally they have they have
Speaker 1: made it so that, uh, infertility in Puerto Rico is
Speaker 1: like the the largest in any country in the world
Speaker 1: because of and I know Puerto Rico is not technically,
Speaker 1: but the point is that that territory is so fucked
Speaker 1: up because of intentional work that the government was doing
Speaker 1: to basically make women infertile. Like it is not we
Speaker 1: we would be remiss, I guess too, to pretend as
Speaker 1: if like the government doesn't have ill will at times
Speaker 1: towards people of color or poor people or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That said, if that's the fear, I can respect it.
Speaker 1: Let's negotiate, let's figure out an answer. But if the
Speaker 1: fear is that these motherfucker's are micro chipping me or
Speaker 1: that like there this is gonna be a way that
Speaker 1: they're gonna track my movements, go ahead, dog, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just going to bed at around nine thirty to
Speaker 1: take thirty every day. You're not getting anything special out
Speaker 1: of me. I'm not chirping about that ship, you know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, Yeah I move Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: I get it. I was hesitant, but you found your
Speaker 1: way to the other side of it. And hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 1: they are micro chipping us and they're they're real disappointed
Speaker 1: with what they're finding, and they'll just shut the chips down.
Speaker 1: You know, no, I'll be honest. The real micro chip
Speaker 1: is already in your hand. You know it's already you
Speaker 1: already got it. They're already trying you. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they get That's how they get you. I don't disagree, sweetie.
Speaker 1: If the government wants to find your ass, they're gonna
Speaker 1: find you. They're gonna find it. And it's not because
Speaker 1: they stuck up. You know. Five million leaders are not
Speaker 1: even meliotes or whatever. They stuck a percentage of a
Speaker 1: syringe in your arm. It's not because of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for some reason, and five million leaders in my head
Speaker 1: sounded like leaders and not meliote you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: My god, damn, we got five leaders effect that will
Speaker 1: kill us. That is why everybody's so concerned with what
Speaker 1: this is. You know what I started to say, the
Speaker 1: number of what I tried to remember it was, but
Speaker 1: then I was like, bitch, you you barely made it
Speaker 1: through Earth science. Come on, now you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And that's okay. It's okay. We're all
Speaker 1: thriving as best week gained. We're okay, We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back with more medicine Shephard and more,
Speaker 1: my mama told me, and we are, Yeah, we're back
Speaker 1: here were more medicine shepherd more. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that black people are
Speaker 1: being intentionally targeted by propaganda, uh, anti vaxx propaganda. Let's
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Do you think that
Speaker 1: black people are similarly being targeted by like vaccine propaganda?
Speaker 1: Are they like making some weird extra effort with us
Speaker 1: on that side of things? Yes? Absolutely. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember last year. I don't see it as
Speaker 1: much this year, but you know, they always have like
Speaker 1: some medical it's a public health commercial, or it's a
Speaker 1: commercial for a cell phone, or it's a commercial, and
Speaker 1: it's always like, hey, y'all, let me tell you about
Speaker 1: the new miss to bet Galant. I can't even say
Speaker 1: the word, but you know, it's always it's But there
Speaker 1: was so many weird vaccine commercials telling black people, and
Speaker 1: I was like this is never gonna work, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? There were I agree, there were some
Speaker 1: pretty odd ones, I feel like, and I truly don't
Speaker 1: remember it well enough to even be able to articulate
Speaker 1: it fairly, But I do remember watching a commercial that
Speaker 1: essentially had the feeling of a dude being like, what's up,
Speaker 1: niggas ah me and me and the squad is doing?
Speaker 1: Is getting vaccinated out here? If you ain't vaccinating, you
Speaker 1: can't get down with our crew. And it's like, if
Speaker 1: the funk out of you, ain't nobody talking like this,
Speaker 1: This isn't a real human being that you like found.
Speaker 1: This is truly the most hateful stereotype you could come
Speaker 1: up with for what you think black people need to
Speaker 1: be persuaded into joining the vaccinated camp. Because I'm a
Speaker 1: black woman. All the odds were like, I'm getting vaccinated
Speaker 1: for my family as a hard working black woman, single
Speaker 1: black woman out here in these streets. You know, girl,
Speaker 1: do it for your family. And I was like that,
Speaker 1: I have two dogs, Like I have the opposite of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no family. What's up? My dog ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get sick. I have my dogs and my white mom.
Speaker 1: That's it, you know. Yeah, they're like three dogs in
Speaker 1: history that got COVID and they were all they're fine, nobody,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they did all that ship
Speaker 1: where they were like telling us, oh, no, Chim Jim
Speaker 1: at the zoo got COVID and Chimp Chim was fucking okay.
Speaker 1: Everybody was was perfectly fine when everything was said and done.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has a been a traumatic experience overall,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to remember remember all the details of it.
Speaker 1: But do you remember how like some exotic animals were
Speaker 1: getting vaccinated before people were No, absolutely, like lions, tigers, bears,
Speaker 1: type of ship. Yeah. No, they were real concerned with
Speaker 1: making sure that these animals that they've been keeping in
Speaker 1: captivity against their will for for decades for a profit,
Speaker 1: remain profitable, whereas human life was not a priority. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're getting we're getting sad, we're getting morbid, We're we're
Speaker 1: accusing them of treating black people worse than animals. And
Speaker 1: I think some of those accusations are fair. But what
Speaker 1: we need to do is jump into a little bit
Speaker 1: of this research. So one of the things that I
Speaker 1: found that I that I guess was most surprising for
Speaker 1: me was how efficient some of the propaganda actually is?
Speaker 1: Right that, Like, again, so many of the things that
Speaker 1: they talk about in terms of propaganda feel like they
Speaker 1: would easily be sort of dismissed that Like I, I,
Speaker 1: as a reasonable person or you, as a reasonable person,
Speaker 1: can look at this and go, I I see the
Speaker 1: trick in this. I know how commercials work. I know
Speaker 1: the things that you're saying are not necessarily true. But
Speaker 1: as it turns out, I read this article that suggested
Speaker 1: that two thirds of the anti vax material that we
Speaker 1: see on the Internet can actually be traced back to
Speaker 1: just twelve influencers slash accounts. Twelve doesn't Yeah, just twelve
Speaker 1: people are like fully controlling the masses on the Internet.
Speaker 1: And that's crazy, It's nuts. Yeah, Like what do you
Speaker 1: do with that? Listen? I mean I also have to
Speaker 1: monitor my TikTok usage because they recommend me shipped to
Speaker 1: buy on Amazon all day long. So if I was
Speaker 1: just like a little more gullible, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: less reasonable than I am, I have gotten got I
Speaker 1: get it. I almost bought a broom that has a
Speaker 1: vacuum on it, a dust pan and a vacuum because
Speaker 1: TikTok told me too, you see what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could have knocked on the vaccine and vacuums have
Speaker 1: been technology that's existed for for a long long time now,
Speaker 1: and I think they haven't improved that much because we
Speaker 1: did the best we could with them the first time. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to be attaching all that
Speaker 1: ship to it because it's not gonna work. And you
Speaker 1: would have just fell for the roofs because TikTok told
Speaker 1: you so. They had a cute sound and it was
Speaker 1: all aesthetic. So yeah, of course I'm not shocked. That's
Speaker 1: that's true. Damn Okay. So what what I guess surprised
Speaker 1: me the most with these twelve influencers slash accounts is
Speaker 1: that the material just seems to be amplified and spread
Speaker 1: through our own algorithms, right that, Like, essentially it's I
Speaker 1: decide I'm going to post some anti vack ship and
Speaker 1: then you and your can, your your friends, your your cohort,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, then take that information and make it
Speaker 1: hell allowed for your communities, and then that community makes
Speaker 1: It's truly a pyramid scheme of bad ideas, right, and
Speaker 1: on top of that, the the sites that are claiming
Speaker 1: to crack down on this stuff, the facebooks, the instagrams,
Speaker 1: the TikTok's, all the places that have poisoned your life.
Speaker 1: Well Twitter, I skipped over Twitter that when I hurt
Speaker 1: you the most, it sounds like, wow, it just hurt
Speaker 1: my ego. But it's all right, okay. But but they
Speaker 1: claim to be cracking down on sort of like this
Speaker 1: irresponsible uh language or ideas or whatever it is. But
Speaker 1: the the ultimate reality is that these sites cannot exist
Speaker 1: without clicks and without views. And if you take away
Speaker 1: this powerful deity like uh group of influencers, suddenly you're
Speaker 1: losing viewership. You're losing opportunities for clicks and for sales
Speaker 1: and for vacuums to be pushed down the throats of
Speaker 1: the people who want them. And so subsequently they leave
Speaker 1: these accounts up, and the accounts continue to do exactly
Speaker 1: what the fuck they've been doing. And I guess my
Speaker 1: question for you is is there anything you think we
Speaker 1: can do about this? I mean, divest get off of it,
Speaker 1: like please. I mean, and maybe it's because I'm I was, look,
Speaker 1: I might be an outlier here, but I could I
Speaker 1: deleted Facebook, I deleted Twitter. I sometimes get on TikTok,
Speaker 1: but not really archived most of my Instagram. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to spend so much time on
Speaker 1: social media, you know, like it's okay to put a
Speaker 1: block on it, to take off the app, because I
Speaker 1: don't know of another way to stop it, right, Like there,
Speaker 1: there doesn't appear to me to be a way to
Speaker 1: stop the algorithm from, for better or for worse, doing
Speaker 1: its thing for good and for bad. Right, So it's like,
Speaker 1: how about I just live my life and like get
Speaker 1: my news and all of that, then the old fashioned way,
Speaker 1: you know, visiting Google, which is also an algorithm which
Speaker 1: is specifically tailored to me in my interest. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm I'm going back on what I just said.
Speaker 1: But no, but I think you're making a really, I guess,
Speaker 1: fair and important point here because one of the things
Speaker 1: that it made me think about is how often, because
Speaker 1: of its twelve influencers, that tells you that not as
Speaker 1: many people as we think actually believe in the ship
Speaker 1: that's being said, right, that it truly is just a
Speaker 1: person says a thing, and then it then gets spread
Speaker 1: out by a bunch of people who probably don't even
Speaker 1: believe it necessarily or care about the ship, but are
Speaker 1: willing to kind of invest in the antics of the moment. Right.
Speaker 1: But part of the people investing in it aren't just
Speaker 1: people who believe it but it are, in fact people
Speaker 1: who don't believe in it, And there are some of
Speaker 1: the worst spreaders of the information because you see somebody
Speaker 1: say some wild ship, then you screenshot it, you dunk
Speaker 1: on them, you go on the internet and you go,
Speaker 1: look at this dumb motherfucker. I can't believe anybody would
Speaker 1: be this stupid, And in doing that, you're creating dialogue
Speaker 1: around their stupidity, even if your intention was just to
Speaker 1: make them look less than right. And that works until
Speaker 1: it doesn't. At a certain point when people should on
Speaker 1: things too much, at least for me, I can say,
Speaker 1: I go, well, now, wait a minute, why is everybody
Speaker 1: shitting on this so bad? Let me go investigate myself.
Speaker 1: And suddenly I'm clicking on their ship, I'm scrolling through
Speaker 1: the comments, I'm liking, I'm like reporting, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm engaged in it in a way that's like it
Speaker 1: doesn't serve me, and it also doesn't serve my like
Speaker 1: point of view, doesn't It doesn't mean anything for my
Speaker 1: real life. So yeah, I mean, just there, listen, there's
Speaker 1: always something you can be doing. Is your laundry folded?
Speaker 1: Is your floors clean? Have you read a book? Have
Speaker 1: you called an old friend? Have you written anything or
Speaker 1: thought hard about? Like have you bakedicate? What their ship
Speaker 1: in your life? You can do other than scroll get
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I haven't done any of the
Speaker 1: things you just listed, and I feel terribly ashamed. But
Speaker 1: I do think that that at its core, that point
Speaker 1: is very very real and true and needs to be
Speaker 1: considered as we approach all of this ship that like
Speaker 1: the reality is is that, like we don't have nearly
Speaker 1: as much control as we think we do. When the
Speaker 1: bagel boss bugged the funk out in that restaurant and
Speaker 1: he was custom the dude out and he was a
Speaker 1: little fellow, and we all laughed at how little he
Speaker 1: was and stupid he was, he capitalized on that. He
Speaker 1: then went on to become like he made money off
Speaker 1: of being a piece of ship in a bagel restaurant,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's not something that
Speaker 1: was our intention, nor is it something we can control,
Speaker 1: it just is. And so until we reach a point
Speaker 1: where we can just look at this ship and go,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to engage with that, just gonna let
Speaker 1: that that die off the way it's supposed to, or
Speaker 1: we're always going to be victims of the algorithm, right,
Speaker 1: I Mean there is something too, there's like a saying
Speaker 1: for this. But you know, whatever you put your attention to,
Speaker 1: it like spotlights it right and makes it amplifies kind of.
Speaker 1: And if it's not what you are into or what
Speaker 1: you believe, like turn the spotlight of your intention, attention
Speaker 1: and intention somewhere else. You know. Yeah, I I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's smart. I think that's fair, and
Speaker 1: all's easy to do, but no, it's it's truly one
Speaker 1: of the hardest things in the world right now to
Speaker 1: like put your phone down and and not not be
Speaker 1: a part of whatever social media is telling you you
Speaker 1: need to be a part of. Like, I think so
Speaker 1: much of our our human worth, unfortunately, has been deeply
Speaker 1: tethered to our our numbers and identity online and it
Speaker 1: feels insane to be the one person who's choosing not
Speaker 1: to be a part of that stuff. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I do think it's until we can collectively
Speaker 1: find a way to step outside of that, we're not
Speaker 1: ever going to reach the happiness we were aiming for.
Speaker 1: One of the things that this reminds me of, because
Speaker 1: you brought this up earlier, this medical racism and the
Speaker 1: New apartheid that that film that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 1: Is working on or worked on rather and uh, super
Speaker 1: effective for black people. Oh, I all the black people
Speaker 1: I know are constantly talking about medical racism, the new apartheid.
Speaker 1: It's it's all over the streets and one oh six
Speaker 1: in part they play that at the end of all
Speaker 1: the videos medical apartheid, it's it's killing it out there.
Speaker 1: But the point is one of the things that that
Speaker 1: they talk about in sort of like the creation of
Speaker 1: this thing, right is the sort of like intentional strategy
Speaker 1: that they even used when it came to building the
Speaker 1: information that like part of the strategy he and his
Speaker 1: team were employing is talking to reputable black educators and
Speaker 1: experts and having them talk through their own personal fears
Speaker 1: and the history of mistreatment by the American government as
Speaker 1: it relates to like vaccines and the previous generations. And
Speaker 1: then they're applying that logic to contemporary conversations unbeknownst to
Speaker 1: the people they're speaking with. Does that make sense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of There was like
Speaker 1: one lady in particular who sat down did the interview.
Speaker 1: Vaccines never came up. They didn't even use the word vaccine.
Speaker 1: It was not a thing. They just talked about the
Speaker 1: history of the of the medical community abusing people of color.
Speaker 1: And she didn't even realize until after the interview was
Speaker 1: done when she asked, who else are you interviewing and
Speaker 1: they couldn't give her names, that maybe something was up.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's They truly like did a switch
Speaker 1: a row on her, a little white devil bait and switch,
Speaker 1: and they went, you know, we're we're just we just
Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts as a historian and as
Speaker 1: this intellectual about all of this stuff. And then afterwards
Speaker 1: they were like, got you, bitch, you work for the
Speaker 1: you work for the Q and nine crazies, you stupid asked,
Speaker 1: and and now that's where she's at. It's just a
Speaker 1: lady who has to go to now real news sources
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, y'all they tricked me. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to think. I don't want you to think
Speaker 1: this is what I'm into personally, but amazing that she
Speaker 1: had to go on an apology tour for being misled
Speaker 1: by the producers of this documentary who were trying to
Speaker 1: mislead the public. You know, yeah, I mean, And part
Speaker 1: of it is like it just shows you how easily
Speaker 1: we can all find ourselves being manipulated. This isn't an
Speaker 1: unintelligent person, right, She's not a dumb lady, but she's
Speaker 1: being placed in circumstances where it feels like you're doing
Speaker 1: the right thing by sharing your thoughts on this and
Speaker 1: then however you share it, even if it is real,
Speaker 1: information can easily be manipulated into other stuff. I remember
Speaker 1: years ago, my wife and I this is before we
Speaker 1: were married. We were like walking in Hollywood and we
Speaker 1: passed a place called Museum of the Museum of Psychology
Speaker 1: and Death. I know it well, you know the Museum
Speaker 1: of Psychology. So for those of you that don't know,
Speaker 1: the Museum of Psychology and Death is like a really
Speaker 1: interesting hookie type name. That's it's a museum right next
Speaker 1: to Chick fil A out in in in the heart
Speaker 1: of West Hollywood. And we were walking and we're like,
Speaker 1: holy ship, that seems like an interesting place. We'll go
Speaker 1: in there and we'll check out what they got they
Speaker 1: got going on, and think it's free. You can just
Speaker 1: walk in and it's a free museum. And when you're
Speaker 1: walking in that begins by telling you all the funked
Speaker 1: up ship that that psychology and sort of like, uh,
Speaker 1: the government has sort of done to manipulate and hurt
Speaker 1: people specifically like disadvantaged people throughout history, and you see
Speaker 1: little babies in cages and people being stuffed with electrodes,
Speaker 1: just electrodes up there butt and electrocude until yeah, they
Speaker 1: the butts, and in my story, they're doing all kinds
Speaker 1: of wild ship and you're like, damn, this is a
Speaker 1: crazy museum. I never knew about none of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then at some point in the museum you get
Speaker 1: to a room where they're like, also, you shouldn't take medicine,
Speaker 1: and they're like, yo, when this flip and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't give your kids medicine either, because medicine is bad
Speaker 1: for you. And then by the end of it, you realized,
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is a scientology museum. The entire time,
Speaker 1: it's all just propaganda for for Scientology, and then at
Speaker 1: the end there's just a dude with a clipboard being like,
Speaker 1: can I have your name? And you gotta be like no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I don't want to give you my name.
Speaker 1: Run out of there, and you don't buy nothing from
Speaker 1: the gift store, and you just fucking beat it. But
Speaker 1: it's it's that right that, like some of what they're
Speaker 1: saying wasn't untrue, but what they want you to gain
Speaker 1: from it is wrong and dangerous. Yeah, that place is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's just because I
Speaker 1: have a natural distrust of anything that looks to organize,
Speaker 1: like I guess because like I you know, I went
Speaker 1: to high school here in Los Angeles, so I basically
Speaker 1: grew up here. So for me, I've been ducking and
Speaker 1: dodging the scientologists for damn your twenty years now. So
Speaker 1: I was well aware that like what that museum was,
Speaker 1: because I remember like walking past it as a young person.
Speaker 1: But to the layman who maybe has never encountered scientology
Speaker 1: properly Ganda before, they would be like like you walking
Speaker 1: out ship. Because they also have a museum of death
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, they have a museum of sex. They have
Speaker 1: believe it or not. You're like, oh, ship, this is
Speaker 1: just like a little offbeat, weird museum, let me check
Speaker 1: it out. And then it's just straight up propaganda. Why Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and frankly, the Museum of Death isn't is not
Speaker 1: what they promise either. It's just a room full of
Speaker 1: stuff that they've purchased from serial killers. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like here's the toothbrush Jeffrey Dahmer used after he ate
Speaker 1: all those babies, And it's like, god damn, I don't
Speaker 1: think that this is as much a museum of death
Speaker 1: as it is like some dudes fetish that he's like
Speaker 1: put on display for all to enjoy. Right, it's very strange. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's all scary and haunting, and it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to know what's what into your point. And I do
Speaker 1: think this is a great point for us to leave
Speaker 1: on before break. I think the biggest point that I
Speaker 1: can I and I hope we can all pull from
Speaker 1: this is the only way we can effectively not get
Speaker 1: duped by anti vaxx or scientology or any other kind
Speaker 1: of bulls keo propaganda machine, Yes, keto, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's the only way that we can avoid it is
Speaker 1: to just pull ourselves out of the game more than
Speaker 1: to keep thinking we can outsmart the game. The house
Speaker 1: always wins. This casino ain't gonna stop getting it squap,
Speaker 1: So just leave, you know, Yeah, yeah, damn all right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back when Mart
Speaker 1: matters to Shephard mar mop on the dog and we
Speaker 1: are waiter. He gets the rebound, passes it to the man,
Speaker 1: shoots it and boom goes to dynamite. Yeah, we're back
Speaker 1: here with more for medicine, Shepherd more. My mama told me,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about the possibility that we're getting We're
Speaker 1: getting bamboozled. The black people are being bamboozled by by
Speaker 1: these anti VATS propagandists, these people who want us to
Speaker 1: not get vaccinated. You you worked in the vaccine space,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to know what was the main reason
Speaker 1: these older black people sounds like, particularly older black people,
Speaker 1: were the main ones being like, no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do it. What was the main reason they gave you
Speaker 1: for why they were like no, I'm straight on this
Speaker 1: vaccine ship. I don't know if you ever try to
Speaker 1: press up an older black person for something that they
Speaker 1: don't want to give you, like some information about themselves,
Speaker 1: especially when you're like, you know, in a position of
Speaker 1: kind of assumed power. They're not gonna They're not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you ship, No, they are not. All I got
Speaker 1: was like, are you sure like we could talk about it.
Speaker 1: I have a medical professional right here. You could talk
Speaker 1: to this nurse, dentists whoever was administering the shot that
Speaker 1: day next to me, and they were like, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. And yeah, and of course,
Speaker 1: like I'm I know why that is. It's you know,
Speaker 1: because of the Tuskegee Sympilis experiment and you know Henrietta
Speaker 1: Lax and this long history of black people being abused,
Speaker 1: specifically by the medical community. But it was interesting to
Speaker 1: me because like also, you know, I was like digging
Speaker 1: around before I got on this call with you. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, San Francisco in the nineteen hundreds, I guess
Speaker 1: they had a plague outbreak and they got it in
Speaker 1: their heads that it was only Chinese Americans who were
Speaker 1: spreading the plague. So they made a law in San
Speaker 1: Francisco in nineteen hundred that all Chinese people or people
Speaker 1: who they considered to be Chinese had to get some
Speaker 1: sort of like vaccine against the plague, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's not just like specifically Black people that have been targeted.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a long history of like Native people
Speaker 1: being horribly abused and mistreated and either experimented on or
Speaker 1: not given treatment or not given the vaccines or medicines
Speaker 1: that would save their lives. It's also like Native people,
Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, like and X folks. It's
Speaker 1: not just us who have been victimized in this way.
Speaker 1: But because I'm Black, I'm like, come on, please, I will,
Speaker 1: I will give you the shot right here. You know.
Speaker 1: It was just strange. Yeah, no, I mean we've talked
Speaker 1: about it a ton on this podcast. But truly, some
Speaker 1: of the birth of even our our medicines in this
Speaker 1: country were born from foul experiments that were used on
Speaker 1: Native Americans and Black people, black slaves that like literally
Speaker 1: our technology for like O. B. G. Y N's was
Speaker 1: born from them from one dude just doing funked up
Speaker 1: experiments on black women while he had them held captive
Speaker 1: as slaves. And so it's not it's not unreasonable to
Speaker 1: be like, nah, I don't trust that ship. And then
Speaker 1: even in watching the way that COVID was handled throughout
Speaker 1: this entire process, right that like, there's obviously a bunch
Speaker 1: of things that we were just learning and discovering, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because of the way the news works, we have to
Speaker 1: speak in in these definitive statements when in fact some
Speaker 1: of these things are just up in the air and
Speaker 1: we need time to figure it out. But then there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they like they just made
Speaker 1: you make choices about that truly didn't need to be choices,
Speaker 1: Like even being on sets, I you know, I had
Speaker 1: right for a show, which meant that I'm technically not
Speaker 1: I'm not on camera, which means that they have to
Speaker 1: treat me differently than a person that's on this case.
Speaker 1: And when they do, they go like, this was height
Speaker 1: of the pandemic that we're like, yo, if you need
Speaker 1: to talk to the star of the show, you need
Speaker 1: to put on goggles because we're finding that COVID is
Speaker 1: actually now being spread through the eyeball and if you
Speaker 1: ain't got on goggles, you can't go over there. They
Speaker 1: still make me wear goggles at work, and it's nuts
Speaker 1: because the reality is now we're you know, however, many
Speaker 1: months away from that, and nobody's brought up goggles once
Speaker 1: as a viable way of avoiding COVID or any kind
Speaker 1: of sickness, and it just was them guessing. And I
Speaker 1: get it, we should try to figure out ways to
Speaker 1: prevent this thing. But like, also, god damn it, you
Speaker 1: made me look so stupid with those fucking goggles on.
Speaker 1: And now I'll never believe you about any of the
Speaker 1: other things that you try to tell me. I mean,
Speaker 1: remember when everyone was wiping down their their groceries or
Speaker 1: packages that came in, or like, there were so many
Speaker 1: things because we just had so little information that we
Speaker 1: just kind of had to go with. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: guess this makes sense because the news said it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like nobody caught COVID from their groceries like that.
Speaker 1: You know, there was an article I read, uh this
Speaker 1: is probably a year ago, year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: where they were saying that China was they were testing
Speaker 1: for COVID via anal swabs that like if you went
Speaker 1: to the airport, you would just get your anus swabbed
Speaker 1: to see if you had COVID. And I still don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true that it was. It appeared in
Speaker 1: an article that looked like it came from somewhere reputable,
Speaker 1: but truly it could have been manipulated information or I
Speaker 1: could have just been going with what was the funniest
Speaker 1: thing to see that day? And and I don't fucking know,
Speaker 1: but you goddamn right, I have told people that's what
Speaker 1: they're doing over there. I'm not not irresponsible, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the ship, you know what I mean? Listen
Speaker 1: and we're here, man, you're allowed. I shouldn't be. And
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem. I shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: do ship. I am not a big boy. I'm a
Speaker 1: big old idiot. So one of the other things that
Speaker 1: I thought was worth mentioning that I read that I
Speaker 1: think was actually a really helpful articulation that I had
Speaker 1: never heard before. But one of the things that that
Speaker 1: an article I read warned about is the conflation these
Speaker 1: sort of like confusion that's being uh, the mixing up
Speaker 1: between someone who is vaccine hesitant versus someone who is
Speaker 1: an anti vaxer. Do you know what I mean? That?
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times we are using this very hard,
Speaker 1: definitive language about individuals who are expressing their hesitancy around
Speaker 1: vaccines and saying they are anti vaxers, when in fact
Speaker 1: a lot of them are not like, yo, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: funk with any vaccine or no, I don't believe in
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's more I'm just scared given the circumstances
Speaker 1: of this individual vaccine or or given my current state
Speaker 1: in the world, that hesitancy I think should be treated
Speaker 1: with a little more care and grace, because that, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, is how you get people to actually come
Speaker 1: all the way around to getting the shot in the law. Yeah. Fully,
Speaker 1: and I mean I would say that, you know, aside
Speaker 1: from the like, you know a handful of black people
Speaker 1: that you know, the older black people who outright were like,
Speaker 1: not fun this, I'm not getting it even if you're
Speaker 1: offering it to me right here. And now, you know,
Speaker 1: we had people when we were filming the show last
Speaker 1: summer who were just like, no, you know, and I
Speaker 1: know these black people's hearts. It's not like they're being like,
Speaker 1: like you say, anti vax but they are being vaccine hesitant.
Speaker 1: That is probably a better way to describe black people's
Speaker 1: relationship to the vaccine, because even though I got it,
Speaker 1: and I helped, you know, thousands of people get it.
Speaker 1: I was also hesitant about it, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just it just is what it is. But I like
Speaker 1: that that phrase hesitancy. I think it's more it's more correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. And even when you look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: and it's part of what makes I think the odd
Speaker 1: propaganda games so dangerous is that part of what the
Speaker 1: the the targeting of black people for this propagandist suggests
Speaker 1: is that black people are like otherwise just refusing to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated or refusing to participate in any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's just not true statistically. And this is you know,
Speaker 1: some of that information I was trying to figure out earlier.
Speaker 1: But statistically it looks like, uh that that black people
Speaker 1: hover around like fifty seven percent as of between March
Speaker 1: one to March seventh of last March one of last
Speaker 1: year to March seventh of this year, that like fifty
Speaker 1: seven percent of black people are are tabulating that we've
Speaker 1: been vaccinated, right, and then for white people it's coming
Speaker 1: in at at sixty two percent. It's not this massive
Speaker 1: like difference in terms of like the numbers between these
Speaker 1: communities in fact, the only people who are really like
Speaker 1: just fully fucking committing to the vaccinations are Asian people.
Speaker 1: Asian people are like fucking give me that shot. I
Speaker 1: am sucking around with this because they're all the way
Speaker 1: up at like of the Asian community is bought into vaccines.
Speaker 1: But it's truly like we're we're talking about the difference
Speaker 1: in in small percentages, and they're making it seem as if, like,
Speaker 1: you know, black people are just this impossible group to
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated, and really the most vocally anti are
Speaker 1: white people, right, I mean, listen, if they can, if
Speaker 1: they can make something our faults, they will find a
Speaker 1: way to make it our faults, you know. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just startling back to that idea of like, you know,
Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy, because it's like there are also some underlying
Speaker 1: medical conditions which would prohibit people from getting the vaccine,
Speaker 1: including but probably high on the list compared to anything else,
Speaker 1: as people who are highly allergic to think like just
Speaker 1: people who have who have a history of anaphylaxis, which
Speaker 1: is like a such a severe allergic reaction where your
Speaker 1: throat closes and you nearly die. Those are those people
Speaker 1: and and folks you don't know if you're going to
Speaker 1: be allergic to the new vaccine or not, because you
Speaker 1: know it's new. The people who fall in that category
Speaker 1: or no, people who do, I'm like, yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: it's I get it, you know. Yeah, But that's a
Speaker 1: small population, but it's still present. It's still present. And
Speaker 1: obviously there's a bunch of people who I think are
Speaker 1: unfairly associating themselves with people who have real risks and
Speaker 1: real fears for the intention of whatever, like crazy ship
Speaker 1: they have going on whatever is Yeah, and that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're anti as much as it is you are
Speaker 1: taking proper risk or or assessment of risk before you
Speaker 1: you've taken on. And I don't think that that's a
Speaker 1: terrible thing. Now. Where I do think it starts to
Speaker 1: become complicated is what is the end goal for all
Speaker 1: of this stuff? Right Like when Kyrie Irving, for example,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I think we're all, uh, we
Speaker 1: all struggle with wherever Kyrie is at times. But I
Speaker 1: do think part of what Kyrie was saying wasn't insane
Speaker 1: of being like, it is weird that our job is
Speaker 1: essentially asking us to take this this thing so early
Speaker 1: into the sort of like testing of the vaccine and
Speaker 1: making sure I want to make sure that it's healthy
Speaker 1: for my body. That's not going to have like a
Speaker 1: weird reaction. While that's not the response that I personally had,
Speaker 1: I can respect someone wanting to do that kind of
Speaker 1: uh take that kind of care and do that kind
Speaker 1: of research. But unfortunately, I think what becomes or what
Speaker 1: often happens, is people don't do any work beyond that moment, right,
Speaker 1: you stop doing research. You're not actually trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the best result of it is. You're just
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna do my research, and then you go
Speaker 1: watch is this cake on Netflix? Right, and and that
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna help any of us in the long
Speaker 1: run by ignoring your responsibilities. M hmmm, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: and of course, with like Kyrie's you know quote on that,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I understand why an athlete who uses
Speaker 1: their body to make their money and in his case
Speaker 1: creating intergenerational wealth. I get it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like why he would be like, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: if you work at like Costco, my g maybe get it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be all right for you. You work at Target,
Speaker 1: I think you might you at risk, baby go I
Speaker 1: didn't check into that. Yeah, I think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: And frankly, whatever poison you can afford to eat based
Speaker 1: off of your target salary, you're dying either way, So
Speaker 1: go ahead get that vaccine. Die die a traditional route,
Speaker 1: not not the route of dying from an easily preventable virus. Well,
Speaker 1: my goodness, this I think we we intended on having
Speaker 1: a party and then it turned into uh, it turned
Speaker 1: tough right at there. It got dark right right towards
Speaker 1: the end of it. But this is a fun episode
Speaker 1: I think overall, Madison, could you tell the people at
Speaker 1: home where they can find you what cool ship you
Speaker 1: have going on? Obviously it's not at Twitter but everywhere
Speaker 1: else maybe No, it's literally just at Instagram. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Instagram at Madison Underscore Shepherd. I would
Speaker 1: love it if you followed me. I am very limited
Speaker 1: in what I post, so I won't suck up your
Speaker 1: your algorithm. If that's your concern, you know, um follow
Speaker 1: me there and yeah, if you're in the l A
Speaker 1: or southern California area, I post what stand up shows
Speaker 1: I have on my website, which is Madison Shepherd dot
Speaker 1: com and um, just stay tuned. You know what bitt
Speaker 1: look stuff is happening. We don't know. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: stay open to the possibility of what's forthcoming. So okay,
Speaker 1: stay open to the possibility. Follow Madison at on Instagram,
Speaker 1: nowhere else, nowhere else. She's banned on every other website
Speaker 1: and you knew that going into this. Uh and and
Speaker 1: check out her stand up And as always, you can
Speaker 1: follow me at Mike stint Kerman on all platforms. I'll
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