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Speaker 1: we're getting we're getting sad, we're getting morbid, We're we're

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00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: accusing them of treating black people worse than animals. And

426
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: I think some of those accusations are fair. But what

427
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: we need to do is jump into a little bit

428
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: of this research. So one of the things that I

429
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: found that I that I guess was most surprising for

430
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: me was how efficient some of the propaganda actually is?

431
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: Right that, Like, again, so many of the things that

432
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: they talk about in terms of propaganda feel like they

433
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: would easily be sort of dismissed that Like I, I,

434
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: as a reasonable person or you, as a reasonable person,

435
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: can look at this and go, I I see the

436
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: trick in this. I know how commercials work. I know

437
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: the things that you're saying are not necessarily true. But

438
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: as it turns out, I read this article that suggested

439
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: that two thirds of the anti vax material that we

440
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: see on the Internet can actually be traced back to

441
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: just twelve influencers slash accounts. Twelve doesn't Yeah, just twelve

442
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: people are like fully controlling the masses on the Internet.

443
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: And that's crazy, It's nuts. Yeah, Like what do you

444
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: do with that? Listen? I mean I also have to

445
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: monitor my TikTok usage because they recommend me shipped to

446
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: buy on Amazon all day long. So if I was

447
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: just like a little more gullible, you know what I mean,

448
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: less reasonable than I am, I have gotten got I

449
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: get it. I almost bought a broom that has a

450
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: vacuum on it, a dust pan and a vacuum because

451
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: TikTok told me too, you see what I mean? Yeah,

452
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: I could have knocked on the vaccine and vacuums have

453
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: been technology that's existed for for a long long time now,

454
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: and I think they haven't improved that much because we

455
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: did the best we could with them the first time. Like,

456
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to be attaching all that

457
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: ship to it because it's not gonna work. And you

458
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: would have just fell for the roofs because TikTok told

459
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: you so. They had a cute sound and it was

460
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: all aesthetic. So yeah, of course I'm not shocked. That's

461
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: that's true. Damn Okay. So what what I guess surprised

462
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: me the most with these twelve influencers slash accounts is

463
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: that the material just seems to be amplified and spread

464
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: through our own algorithms, right that, Like, essentially it's I

465
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: decide I'm going to post some anti vack ship and

466
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: then you and your can, your your friends, your your cohort,

467
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: whatever it is, then take that information and make it

468
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: hell allowed for your communities, and then that community makes

469
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: It's truly a pyramid scheme of bad ideas, right, and

470
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: on top of that, the the sites that are claiming

471
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: to crack down on this stuff, the facebooks, the instagrams,

472
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: the TikTok's, all the places that have poisoned your life.

473
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Well Twitter, I skipped over Twitter that when I hurt

474
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: you the most, it sounds like, wow, it just hurt

475
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: my ego. But it's all right, okay. But but they

476
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: claim to be cracking down on sort of like this

477
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: irresponsible uh language or ideas or whatever it is. But

478
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: the the ultimate reality is that these sites cannot exist

479
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: without clicks and without views. And if you take away

480
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: this powerful deity like uh group of influencers, suddenly you're

481
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: losing viewership. You're losing opportunities for clicks and for sales

482
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: and for vacuums to be pushed down the throats of

483
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: the people who want them. And so subsequently they leave

484
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: these accounts up, and the accounts continue to do exactly

485
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck they've been doing. And I guess my

486
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: question for you is is there anything you think we

487
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: can do about this? I mean, divest get off of it,

488
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: like please. I mean, and maybe it's because I'm I was, look,

489
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I might be an outlier here, but I could I

490
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: deleted Facebook, I deleted Twitter. I sometimes get on TikTok,

491
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: but not really archived most of my Instagram. I'm just like,

492
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, I have to spend so much time on

493
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: social media, you know, like it's okay to put a

494
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: block on it, to take off the app, because I

495
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: don't know of another way to stop it, right, Like there,

496
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: there doesn't appear to me to be a way to

497
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: stop the algorithm from, for better or for worse, doing

498
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: its thing for good and for bad. Right, So it's like,

499
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: how about I just live my life and like get

500
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: my news and all of that, then the old fashioned way,

501
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, visiting Google, which is also an algorithm which

502
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: is specifically tailored to me in my interest. So you know,

503
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm I'm going back on what I just said.

504
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: But no, but I think you're making a really, I guess,

505
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: fair and important point here because one of the things

506
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: that it made me think about is how often, because

507
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: of its twelve influencers, that tells you that not as

508
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: many people as we think actually believe in the ship

509
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: that's being said, right, that it truly is just a

510
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: person says a thing, and then it then gets spread

511
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: out by a bunch of people who probably don't even

512
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: believe it necessarily or care about the ship, but are

513
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: willing to kind of invest in the antics of the moment. Right.

514
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: But part of the people investing in it aren't just

515
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: people who believe it but it are, in fact people

516
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: who don't believe in it, And there are some of

517
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: the worst spreaders of the information because you see somebody

518
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: say some wild ship, then you screenshot it, you dunk

519
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: on them, you go on the internet and you go,

520
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: look at this dumb motherfucker. I can't believe anybody would

521
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: be this stupid, And in doing that, you're creating dialogue

522
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: around their stupidity, even if your intention was just to

523
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: make them look less than right. And that works until

524
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't. At a certain point when people should on

525
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: things too much, at least for me, I can say,

526
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I go, well, now, wait a minute, why is everybody

527
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: shitting on this so bad? Let me go investigate myself.

528
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: And suddenly I'm clicking on their ship, I'm scrolling through

529
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: the comments, I'm liking, I'm like reporting, you know, I'm

530
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm engaged in it in a way that's like it

531
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: doesn't serve me, and it also doesn't serve my like

532
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: point of view, doesn't It doesn't mean anything for my

533
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: real life. So yeah, I mean, just there, listen, there's

534
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: always something you can be doing. Is your laundry folded?

535
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: Is your floors clean? Have you read a book? Have

536
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: you called an old friend? Have you written anything or

537
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: thought hard about? Like have you bakedicate? What their ship

538
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: in your life? You can do other than scroll get

539
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I haven't done any of the

540
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: things you just listed, and I feel terribly ashamed. But

541
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: I do think that that at its core, that point

542
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: is very very real and true and needs to be

543
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: considered as we approach all of this ship that like

544
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: the reality is is that, like we don't have nearly

545
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: as much control as we think we do. When the

546
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: bagel boss bugged the funk out in that restaurant and

547
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: he was custom the dude out and he was a

548
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: little fellow, and we all laughed at how little he

549
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: was and stupid he was, he capitalized on that. He

550
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: then went on to become like he made money off

551
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: of being a piece of ship in a bagel restaurant,

552
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's not something that

553
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: was our intention, nor is it something we can control,

554
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: it just is. And so until we reach a point

555
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: where we can just look at this ship and go,

556
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to engage with that, just gonna let

557
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: that that die off the way it's supposed to, or

558
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: we're always going to be victims of the algorithm, right,

559
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: I Mean there is something too, there's like a saying

560
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: for this. But you know, whatever you put your attention to,

561
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: it like spotlights it right and makes it amplifies kind of.

562
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: And if it's not what you are into or what

563
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: you believe, like turn the spotlight of your intention, attention

564
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: and intention somewhere else. You know. Yeah, I I think

565
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: that's I think that's smart. I think that's fair, and

566
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: all's easy to do, but no, it's it's truly one

567
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: of the hardest things in the world right now to

568
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: like put your phone down and and not not be

569
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: a part of whatever social media is telling you you

570
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: need to be a part of. Like, I think so

571
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: much of our our human worth, unfortunately, has been deeply

572
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: tethered to our our numbers and identity online and it

573
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: feels insane to be the one person who's choosing not

574
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: to be a part of that stuff. But at the

575
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: same time, I do think it's until we can collectively

576
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: find a way to step outside of that, we're not

577
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: ever going to reach the happiness we were aiming for.

578
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that this reminds me of, because

579
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: you brought this up earlier, this medical racism and the

580
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: New apartheid that that film that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

581
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: Is working on or worked on rather and uh, super

582
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: effective for black people. Oh, I all the black people

583
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: I know are constantly talking about medical racism, the new apartheid.

584
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: It's it's all over the streets and one oh six

585
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: in part they play that at the end of all

586
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the videos medical apartheid, it's it's killing it out there.

587
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: But the point is one of the things that that

588
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: they talk about in sort of like the creation of

589
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: this thing, right is the sort of like intentional strategy

590
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: that they even used when it came to building the

591
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: information that like part of the strategy he and his

592
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: team were employing is talking to reputable black educators and

593
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: experts and having them talk through their own personal fears

594
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: and the history of mistreatment by the American government as

595
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: it relates to like vaccines and the previous generations. And

596
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: then they're applying that logic to contemporary conversations unbeknownst to

597
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: the people they're speaking with. Does that make sense? Yeah,

598
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of There was like

599
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: one lady in particular who sat down did the interview.

600
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: Vaccines never came up. They didn't even use the word vaccine.

601
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: It was not a thing. They just talked about the

602
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: history of the of the medical community abusing people of color.

603
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: And she didn't even realize until after the interview was

604
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: done when she asked, who else are you interviewing and

605
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: they couldn't give her names, that maybe something was up.

606
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's They truly like did a switch

607
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: a row on her, a little white devil bait and switch,

608
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: and they went, you know, we're we're just we just

609
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts as a historian and as

610
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: this intellectual about all of this stuff. And then afterwards

611
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: they were like, got you, bitch, you work for the

612
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: you work for the Q and nine crazies, you stupid asked,

613
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: and and now that's where she's at. It's just a

614
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: lady who has to go to now real news sources

615
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, y'all they tricked me. I don't

616
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: want you to think. I don't want you to think

617
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: this is what I'm into personally, but amazing that she

618
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: had to go on an apology tour for being misled

619
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: by the producers of this documentary who were trying to

620
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: mislead the public. You know, yeah, I mean, And part

621
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: of it is like it just shows you how easily

622
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: we can all find ourselves being manipulated. This isn't an

623
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: unintelligent person, right, She's not a dumb lady, but she's

624
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: being placed in circumstances where it feels like you're doing

625
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the right thing by sharing your thoughts on this and

626
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: then however you share it, even if it is real,

627
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: information can easily be manipulated into other stuff. I remember

628
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: years ago, my wife and I this is before we

629
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: were married. We were like walking in Hollywood and we

630
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: passed a place called Museum of the Museum of Psychology

631
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: and Death. I know it well, you know the Museum

632
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: of Psychology. So for those of you that don't know,

633
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: the Museum of Psychology and Death is like a really

634
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: interesting hookie type name. That's it's a museum right next

635
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: to Chick fil A out in in in the heart

636
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: of West Hollywood. And we were walking and we're like,

637
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: holy ship, that seems like an interesting place. We'll go

638
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: in there and we'll check out what they got they

639
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: got going on, and think it's free. You can just

640
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: walk in and it's a free museum. And when you're

641
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: walking in that begins by telling you all the funked

642
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: up ship that that psychology and sort of like, uh,

643
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: the government has sort of done to manipulate and hurt

644
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: people specifically like disadvantaged people throughout history, and you see

645
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: little babies in cages and people being stuffed with electrodes,

646
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: just electrodes up there butt and electrocude until yeah, they

647
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: the butts, and in my story, they're doing all kinds

648
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: of wild ship and you're like, damn, this is a

649
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: crazy museum. I never knew about none of this stuff.

650
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: And then at some point in the museum you get

651
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: to a room where they're like, also, you shouldn't take medicine,

652
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, yo, when this flip and they're like, yeah,

653
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: don't give your kids medicine either, because medicine is bad

654
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: for you. And then by the end of it, you realized,

655
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is a scientology museum. The entire time,

656
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: it's all just propaganda for for Scientology, and then at

657
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: the end there's just a dude with a clipboard being like,

658
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: can I have your name? And you gotta be like no,

659
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: no, no no, I don't want to give you my name.

660
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Run out of there, and you don't buy nothing from

661
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: the gift store, and you just fucking beat it. But

662
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: it's it's that right that, like some of what they're

663
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: saying wasn't untrue, but what they want you to gain

664
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: from it is wrong and dangerous. Yeah, that place is.

665
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's just because I

666
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: have a natural distrust of anything that looks to organize,

667
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: like I guess because like I you know, I went

668
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: to high school here in Los Angeles, so I basically

669
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: grew up here. So for me, I've been ducking and

670
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: dodging the scientologists for damn your twenty years now. So

671
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: I was well aware that like what that museum was,

672
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: because I remember like walking past it as a young person.

673
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: But to the layman who maybe has never encountered scientology

674
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: properly Ganda before, they would be like like you walking

675
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: out ship. Because they also have a museum of death

676
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, they have a museum of sex. They have

677
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: believe it or not. You're like, oh, ship, this is

678
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: just like a little offbeat, weird museum, let me check

679
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: it out. And then it's just straight up propaganda. Why Yeah,

680
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: And and frankly, the Museum of Death isn't is not

681
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: what they promise either. It's just a room full of

682
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: stuff that they've purchased from serial killers. Yeah, it's just

683
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: like here's the toothbrush Jeffrey Dahmer used after he ate

684
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: all those babies, And it's like, god damn, I don't

685
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: think that this is as much a museum of death

686
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: as it is like some dudes fetish that he's like

687
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: put on display for all to enjoy. Right, it's very strange. Yeah,

688
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: it's it's all scary and haunting, and it's it's hard

689
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: to know what's what into your point. And I do

690
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: think this is a great point for us to leave

691
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: on before break. I think the biggest point that I

692
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: can I and I hope we can all pull from

693
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: this is the only way we can effectively not get

694
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: duped by anti vaxx or scientology or any other kind

695
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: of bulls keo propaganda machine, Yes, keto, whatever it is,

696
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: it's the only way that we can avoid it is

697
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: to just pull ourselves out of the game more than

698
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: to keep thinking we can outsmart the game. The house

699
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: always wins. This casino ain't gonna stop getting it squap,

700
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: So just leave, you know, Yeah, yeah, damn all right,

701
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back when Mart

702
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: matters to Shephard mar mop on the dog and we

703
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: are waiter. He gets the rebound, passes it to the man,

704
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: shoots it and boom goes to dynamite. Yeah, we're back

705
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: here with more for medicine, Shepherd more. My mama told me,

706
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: we're still talking about the possibility that we're getting We're

707
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: getting bamboozled. The black people are being bamboozled by by

708
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: these anti VATS propagandists, these people who want us to

709
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: not get vaccinated. You you worked in the vaccine space,

710
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to know what was the main reason

711
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: these older black people sounds like, particularly older black people,

712
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: were the main ones being like, no, I'm not gonna

713
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: do it. What was the main reason they gave you

714
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: for why they were like no, I'm straight on this

715
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: vaccine ship. I don't know if you ever try to

716
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: press up an older black person for something that they

717
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: don't want to give you, like some information about themselves,

718
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: especially when you're like, you know, in a position of

719
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of assumed power. They're not gonna They're not gonna

720
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: tell you ship, No, they are not. All I got

721
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: was like, are you sure like we could talk about it.

722
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: I have a medical professional right here. You could talk

723
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: to this nurse, dentists whoever was administering the shot that

724
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: day next to me, and they were like, no, no, sorry,

725
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. And yeah, and of course,

726
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: like I'm I know why that is. It's you know,

727
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: because of the Tuskegee Sympilis experiment and you know Henrietta

728
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Lax and this long history of black people being abused,

729
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: specifically by the medical community. But it was interesting to

730
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: me because like also, you know, I was like digging

731
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: around before I got on this call with you. But like,

732
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, San Francisco in the nineteen hundreds, I guess

733
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: they had a plague outbreak and they got it in

734
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: their heads that it was only Chinese Americans who were

735
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: spreading the plague. So they made a law in San

736
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: Francisco in nineteen hundred that all Chinese people or people

737
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: who they considered to be Chinese had to get some

738
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: sort of like vaccine against the plague, you know. So

739
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: it's not just like specifically Black people that have been targeted.

740
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a long history of like Native people

741
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: being horribly abused and mistreated and either experimented on or

742
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: not given treatment or not given the vaccines or medicines

743
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: that would save their lives. It's also like Native people,

744
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, like and X folks. It's

745
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: not just us who have been victimized in this way.

746
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: But because I'm Black, I'm like, come on, please, I will,

747
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: I will give you the shot right here. You know.

748
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: It was just strange. Yeah, no, I mean we've talked

749
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: about it a ton on this podcast. But truly, some

750
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: of the birth of even our our medicines in this

751
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: country were born from foul experiments that were used on

752
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: Native Americans and Black people, black slaves that like literally

753
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: our technology for like O. B. G. Y N's was

754
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: born from them from one dude just doing funked up

755
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: experiments on black women while he had them held captive

756
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: as slaves. And so it's not it's not unreasonable to

757
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: be like, nah, I don't trust that ship. And then

758
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: even in watching the way that COVID was handled throughout

759
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: this entire process, right that like, there's obviously a bunch

760
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: of things that we were just learning and discovering, and unfortunately,

761
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: because of the way the news works, we have to

762
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: speak in in these definitive statements when in fact some

763
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: of these things are just up in the air and

764
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: we need time to figure it out. But then there's

765
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they like they just made

766
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you make choices about that truly didn't need to be choices,

767
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Like even being on sets, I you know, I had

768
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: right for a show, which meant that I'm technically not

769
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm not on camera, which means that they have to

770
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: treat me differently than a person that's on this case.

771
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: And when they do, they go like, this was height

772
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: of the pandemic that we're like, yo, if you need

773
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: to talk to the star of the show, you need

774
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: to put on goggles because we're finding that COVID is

775
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: actually now being spread through the eyeball and if you

776
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: ain't got on goggles, you can't go over there. They

777
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: still make me wear goggles at work, and it's nuts

778
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: because the reality is now we're you know, however, many

779
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: months away from that, and nobody's brought up goggles once

780
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: as a viable way of avoiding COVID or any kind

781
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: of sickness, and it just was them guessing. And I

782
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: get it, we should try to figure out ways to

783
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: prevent this thing. But like, also, god damn it, you

784
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: made me look so stupid with those fucking goggles on.

785
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: And now I'll never believe you about any of the

786
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: other things that you try to tell me. I mean,

787
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: remember when everyone was wiping down their their groceries or

788
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: packages that came in, or like, there were so many

789
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: things because we just had so little information that we

790
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: just kind of had to go with. Okay, well, I

791
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: guess this makes sense because the news said it. Okay, yeah,

792
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: but like nobody caught COVID from their groceries like that.

793
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: You know, there was an article I read, uh this

794
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: is probably a year ago, year and a half ago,

795
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: where they were saying that China was they were testing

796
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: for COVID via anal swabs that like if you went

797
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: to the airport, you would just get your anus swabbed

798
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: to see if you had COVID. And I still don't

799
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: know if that's true that it was. It appeared in

800
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: an article that looked like it came from somewhere reputable,

801
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: but truly it could have been manipulated information or I

802
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: could have just been going with what was the funniest

803
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: thing to see that day? And and I don't fucking know,

804
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: but you goddamn right, I have told people that's what

805
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: they're doing over there. I'm not not irresponsible, like I'm

806
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna do the ship, you know what I mean? Listen

807
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: and we're here, man, you're allowed. I shouldn't be. And

808
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem. I shouldn't be allowed to

809
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: do ship. I am not a big boy. I'm a

810
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: big old idiot. So one of the other things that

811
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: I thought was worth mentioning that I read that I

812
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: think was actually a really helpful articulation that I had

813
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: never heard before. But one of the things that that

814
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: an article I read warned about is the conflation these

815
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: sort of like confusion that's being uh, the mixing up

816
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: between someone who is vaccine hesitant versus someone who is

817
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: an anti vaxer. Do you know what I mean? That?

818
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times we are using this very hard,

819
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: definitive language about individuals who are expressing their hesitancy around

820
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: vaccines and saying they are anti vaxers, when in fact

821
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: a lot of them are not like, yo, I wouldn't

822
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: funk with any vaccine or no, I don't believe in

823
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's more I'm just scared given the circumstances

824
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: of this individual vaccine or or given my current state

825
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: in the world, that hesitancy I think should be treated

826
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: with a little more care and grace, because that, in

827
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: my opinion, is how you get people to actually come

828
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: all the way around to getting the shot in the law. Yeah. Fully,

829
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: and I mean I would say that, you know, aside

830
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: from the like, you know a handful of black people

831
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: that you know, the older black people who outright were like,

832
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: not fun this, I'm not getting it even if you're

833
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: offering it to me right here. And now, you know,

834
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: we had people when we were filming the show last

835
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: summer who were just like, no, you know, and I

836
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: know these black people's hearts. It's not like they're being like,

837
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: like you say, anti vax but they are being vaccine hesitant.

838
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: That is probably a better way to describe black people's

839
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: relationship to the vaccine, because even though I got it,

840
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: and I helped, you know, thousands of people get it.

841
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: I was also hesitant about it, you know, and it's

842
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: just it just is what it is. But I like

843
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: that that phrase hesitancy. I think it's more it's more correct. Yeah,

844
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I think so. And even when you look at the numbers,

845
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: and it's part of what makes I think the odd

846
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: propaganda games so dangerous is that part of what the

847
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: the the targeting of black people for this propagandist suggests

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Speaker 1: is that black people are like otherwise just refusing to

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Speaker 1: And that's just not true statistically. And this is you know,

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Speaker 1: some of that information I was trying to figure out earlier.

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Speaker 1: But statistically it looks like, uh that that black people

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Speaker 1: hover around like fifty seven percent as of between March

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Speaker 1: one to March seventh of last March one of last

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Speaker 1: year to March seventh of this year, that like fifty

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Speaker 1: seven percent of black people are are tabulating that we've

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Speaker 1: been vaccinated, right, and then for white people it's coming

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Speaker 1: in at at sixty two percent. It's not this massive

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Speaker 1: like difference in terms of like the numbers between these

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Speaker 1: communities in fact, the only people who are really like

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Speaker 1: just fully fucking committing to the vaccinations are Asian people.

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Speaker 1: Asian people are like fucking give me that shot. I

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Speaker 1: am sucking around with this because they're all the way

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Speaker 1: up at like of the Asian community is bought into vaccines.

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Speaker 1: But it's truly like we're we're talking about the difference

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Speaker 1: in in small percentages, and they're making it seem as if, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, black people are just this impossible group to

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Speaker 1: to get vaccinated, and really the most vocally anti are

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Speaker 1: white people, right, I mean, listen, if they can, if

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Speaker 1: they can make something our faults, they will find a

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Speaker 1: way to make it our faults, you know. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just startling back to that idea of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy, because it's like there are also some underlying

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Speaker 1: medical conditions which would prohibit people from getting the vaccine,

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Speaker 1: including but probably high on the list compared to anything else,

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Speaker 1: as people who are highly allergic to think like just

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Speaker 1: people who have who have a history of anaphylaxis, which

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Speaker 1: is like a such a severe allergic reaction where your

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Speaker 1: throat closes and you nearly die. Those are those people

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Speaker 1: and and folks you don't know if you're going to

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Speaker 1: be allergic to the new vaccine or not, because you

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Speaker 1: know it's new. The people who fall in that category

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Speaker 1: or no, people who do, I'm like, yeah, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's I get it, you know. Yeah, But that's a

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Speaker 1: small population, but it's still present. It's still present. And

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a bunch of people who I think are

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Speaker 1: unfairly associating themselves with people who have real risks and

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Speaker 1: real fears for the intention of whatever, like crazy ship

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Speaker 1: they have going on whatever is Yeah, and that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you're anti as much as it is you are

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Speaker 1: taking proper risk or or assessment of risk before you

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Speaker 1: you've taken on. And I don't think that that's a

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Speaker 1: terrible thing. Now. Where I do think it starts to

894
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Speaker 1: become complicated is what is the end goal for all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff? Right Like when Kyrie Irving, for example,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, I think we're all, uh, we

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Speaker 1: all struggle with wherever Kyrie is at times. But I

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Speaker 1: do think part of what Kyrie was saying wasn't insane

899
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Speaker 1: of being like, it is weird that our job is

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Speaker 1: essentially asking us to take this this thing so early

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Speaker 1: into the sort of like testing of the vaccine and

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Speaker 1: making sure I want to make sure that it's healthy

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Speaker 1: for my body. That's not going to have like a

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Speaker 1: weird reaction. While that's not the response that I personally had,

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Speaker 1: I can respect someone wanting to do that kind of

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Speaker 1: uh take that kind of care and do that kind

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Speaker 1: of research. But unfortunately, I think what becomes or what

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Speaker 1: often happens, is people don't do any work beyond that moment, right,

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Speaker 1: you stop doing research. You're not actually trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what the best result of it is. You're just

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Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna do my research, and then you go

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Speaker 1: watch is this cake on Netflix? Right, and and that

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Speaker 1: it ain't gonna help any of us in the long

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Speaker 1: run by ignoring your responsibilities. M hmmm, No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and of course, with like Kyrie's you know quote on that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I understand why an athlete who uses

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Speaker 1: their body to make their money and in his case

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Speaker 1: creating intergenerational wealth. I get it, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like why he would be like, I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 1: if you work at like Costco, my g maybe get it.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be all right for you. You work at Target,

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Speaker 1: I think you might you at risk, baby go I

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Speaker 1: didn't check into that. Yeah, I think it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, whatever poison you can afford to eat based

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Speaker 1: off of your target salary, you're dying either way, So

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Speaker 1: go ahead get that vaccine. Die die a traditional route,

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Speaker 1: not not the route of dying from an easily preventable virus. Well,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, this I think we we intended on having

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Speaker 1: a party and then it turned into uh, it turned

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Speaker 1: tough right at there. It got dark right right towards

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Speaker 1: the end of it. But this is a fun episode

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Speaker 1: I think overall, Madison, could you tell the people at

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Speaker 1: home where they can find you what cool ship you

934
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Speaker 1: have going on? Obviously it's not at Twitter but everywhere

935
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Speaker 1: else maybe No, it's literally just at Instagram. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on Instagram at Madison Underscore Shepherd. I would

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Speaker 1: love it if you followed me. I am very limited

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Speaker 1: in what I post, so I won't suck up your

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Speaker 1: your algorithm. If that's your concern, you know, um follow

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Speaker 1: me there and yeah, if you're in the l A

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Speaker 1: or southern California area, I post what stand up shows

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Speaker 1: I have on my website, which is Madison Shepherd dot

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Speaker 1: com and um, just stay tuned. You know what bitt

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Speaker 1: look stuff is happening. We don't know. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: stay open to the possibility of what's forthcoming. So okay,

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Speaker 1: stay open to the possibility. Follow Madison at on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: nowhere else, nowhere else. She's banned on every other website

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Speaker 1: and you knew that going into this. Uh and and

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Speaker 1: check out her stand up And as always, you can

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Speaker 1: follow me at Mike stint Kerman on all platforms. I'll

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Speaker 1: never leave, I'll never cower out spaces uh and uh

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Speaker 1: watch bus Down It's on Beaco. It's available streaming now.

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Speaker 1: It's thank you and uh and boy did they make

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Speaker 1: a mistake to let us uh. And finally, you can

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast. And if you wish to to

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Speaker 1: send them to my Mama pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you. Otherwise that's it,

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Speaker 1: by bitch because of me brown bis my crop chips

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