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Speaker 2: You know, people think it's not that aggressive of a sport,

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Speaker 2: You gonna back me up? If I come forward, you

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Speaker 2: all the fun that you have, no kitchen, when you

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Speaker 2: Check the USAPA guidelines.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna be on my team and you're gonna

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Speaker 2: to some of us. Brian, it is because I gotta

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Speaker 2: see Frankett work next week.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not just for seniors.

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Speaker 1: Podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, October eighteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Happy MBA date everybody out there.

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Speaker 1: Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside me as always, Test.

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Speaker 4: Mellis Podcast listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 3: Next to tests.

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Speaker 1: It's the period one tap shot, hot Boy Trick, Kirby, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Today busy, busy day here in the Classic Factory we've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've got as good of an accent as

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Speaker 4: that pickleball guy appearing on our show. Got a special guest. Wow,

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Speaker 4: very similar accent. I'd say, okay, well would you would

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Speaker 4: you say that? JD? I definitely would say yeah. You know,

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Speaker 4: I can't decipher between Southern accents. Are they similar anyway?

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Speaker 3: Start with the Eastern Conference. Starting right here at home.

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Speaker 3: You're Atlanta Hawks, a must watch league pass team if

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Speaker 3: they should make the real playoffs.

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Speaker 4: They better be. Yeah, they have to be. You want

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Speaker 1: This is like a big picture, like I'm zooming out

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Speaker 1: I have to believe that Celtics, it's not say.

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Speaker 4: The same category as the Nets.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, but the Nets are are a cluster f

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Speaker 4: But I think the Celtics should be in this category.

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Speaker 3: I thought you may Udoko is a big part of

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you'd rather have your bad luck in

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Speaker 1: Okay, totally fine, of course, putting them in the championship

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Speaker 4: I saw photos of that body. The body looks good,

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Speaker 4: the body looks great, and those leaked jerseys, which I

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Speaker 4: Horford been drinking a lot of chocolate milk, yes, and

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Speaker 4: the details, the details are great and knowed Bill Russell.

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Speaker 4: So I throw them in that. Listen, listen to the

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Speaker 4: to come out and put it together. They should be

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's fair. This is maybe the toughest

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Speaker 3: it can't be as bad as it went last season,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say this would be the This

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Speaker 1: Tankers is probably too extreme. They're not leaning into that, right,

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Speaker 1: But Contender's Final four, Playoff or playing I mean you

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Speaker 4: This is a blast. It's a blast talking about these Brooklyns. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: them in the first four categories. Absolutely. They were twenty

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Speaker 4: I think there's going to be there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: I just can't.

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Speaker 4: I just can't imagine it.

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Speaker 3: But like, what a kind of a move, do you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think they trade. I think they

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Speaker 4: the second. I'm not locking them in. I'm not locking them. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: you know, we put the Hawks in the playoff locks.

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Speaker 4: Category were lying about that one. There can't be seven

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Speaker 4: playoff locks to me, But where would you guys put them?

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Speaker 4: You're locking them in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: It's impossible to lock them in. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 4: Nice nice heads Okay, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I mean the votes. You got two votes to go

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Speaker 1: in theory, honestly a better team than the Hawks and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I think that's fair. The Nets, to me,

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, the Charlotte Hornets. Yeah no, I mean it.

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Speaker 1: It can't get it is getting worse and worse and worse.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I agree that they're in the tank category. They

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Speaker 3: We know LaMelo's out to start the season. They've had

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Speaker 1: It's either playing or area Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, I don't know, I don't know. They're going to

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be looking at getting a plan and if

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Speaker 4: Gordon wards on the floor and if Lamel's on the floor,

434
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Speaker 4: they're probably good enough for thirty wins, and so they're

435
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Speaker 4: not it won't be far from the plane, but throw

436
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 4: them in Area fifty one because that's where they should ride.

437
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Speaker 4: And I'm just not sure. MJ likes Aliens. I don't

438
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Speaker 4: think Michael Jordan's team is doing that.

439
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Speaker 1: The Monstars.

440
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Speaker 4: That's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Many welcome them to the Tunes squad. Yeah, this guy

442
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Speaker 3: loves Aliens, the biggest Alien fan in the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you had said it on one of our

444
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Speaker 1: previous podcasts too. Like they could be a team that

445
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: looks to trade Hayward, Terry Rozier, who else, Kelly oubre Junior.

446
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Speaker 3: There's some pieces around there that could be desirable to

447
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Speaker 3: a contending team. This could be. This could be a

448
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: David Robinson sort of stealth tank where you know, they

449
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 3: just play it easy. You've got one good player, but

450
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Speaker 3: how nice would it be to have two incredible go

451
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Speaker 3: for it.

452
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Speaker 4: The tough Eastern Conference is probably a good thing for them.

453
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Speaker 4: They're gonna get pounds.

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

455
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, even though they're in the easiest division, it's

456
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Speaker 4: not part of it.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I can't wait for this one.

458
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Speaker 4: Chicago Bull, that's who I thought you were talking about.

459
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Speaker 4: You forgot about the Bull.

460
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Speaker 3: Everybody else does that. Oh my goodness. I was listening

461
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Speaker 3: to the Athletic NBA Show today. I was stoked to

462
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Speaker 3: hear Anthony Slater pick Patrick Williams as his uh Most

463
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Speaker 3: Improved Player of the Year. No surprise, Fred Katz comes

464
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Speaker 3: over the top and talks about the Toronto Raptors like

465
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Speaker 3: one second layer. Ridiculous. Fred Katz is part of the

466
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Speaker 3: Raptors propaganda machine as well. I didn't know that that

467
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Speaker 3: was going to be the case. But the Chicago Bulls,

468
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose this one. They're a playoff lock, but

469
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Speaker 3: they're gonna end up in the play in tournament. So

470
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Speaker 3: tell me why.

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Speaker 4: Well, Patrick Williams is good, but let me tell you

472
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Speaker 4: something about og An Andobi and Pascal. Yeah, classics. Those

473
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Speaker 4: dudes get past the ball and people are underestimating what

474
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Speaker 4: they can do together. That Bols. It's unfortunate. They are

475
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Speaker 4: a solid team. They are a solid team, but they're

476
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Speaker 4: being outsolid by a lot of other Eastern Conference seams,

477
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Speaker 4: so you have to throw them in the play internment situation,

478
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Speaker 4: which is unfortunate.

479
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Speaker 3: We're forty six team.

480
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Speaker 4: But they start the season with what killed them in

481
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Speaker 4: the second half, and that's injuries, and that's that's a

482
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Speaker 4: big part of this. They got off to that hot start,

483
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Speaker 4: got the injuries, and now a Lonzo Paul's injured and

484
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Speaker 4: it really sucks, and who knows when he comes back,

485
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Speaker 4: and he is such an integral part to that defense playing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's true. There's a reason why no one's

487
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Speaker 1: talking about the Bulls because they didn't do anything and

488
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Speaker 1: they're sort of like just mediocre, and everybody's agreeing with that.

489
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Speaker 3: Hey, they beat the Bucks in the playoffs in Milwaukee

490
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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 4: He listen, listen, They're.

492
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Speaker 1: A gentleman's sweep. It was, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, no, No, they won game two. Oh won

494
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Speaker 3: Game two when people were thinking a chance in Game

495
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Speaker 3: three because Chris Middleton went down with an injury and

496
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Speaker 3: then they lost by thirty And if the worst home

497
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Speaker 3: loss in Bulls playoff history. I don't know why there's

498
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Speaker 3: no buzz for this team.

499
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Speaker 4: I will get jacked if if now speaking about the injuries,

500
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Speaker 4: there's guys who are coming in, like I would ASSUMEO

501
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Speaker 4: Javonte Green should get minutes. He played that power forward spot.

502
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Speaker 4: Probably should start over Patrick Gilims out. If Patrick Williams

503
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 4: gets a little hot, I think there could be some buzz.

504
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: There needs to be a spark within those guys because

505
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: they've they basically sold out. They've basically sold, traded every

506
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Speaker 4: pick and has to come within if they're gonna get.

507
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Speaker 1: In the Voots deal for sure. Yeah but uh hey,

508
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Speaker 1: Cruso back, I like that exactly.

509
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Speaker 3: They're only missing Lonzo. Yeah, they're really only missing Lonzo.

510
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Speaker 3: And the Bulls at their worst last season, No a Lonzo,

511
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Speaker 3: no Caruso, no Pat Williams. Zach Lavine was playing through

512
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Speaker 3: a knee injury. Still no a Lonzo, but he'll come

513
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Speaker 3: back sometime this season. Who knows what's gonna happen. LeVar

514
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Speaker 3: I said, or I saw said that he had like

515
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Speaker 3: nerve problems in his knee, which sounds pretty bad, but

516
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Speaker 3: everybody else full health contract, your vouch. Gotta be a

517
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Speaker 3: big season for him. And they added depth with Andre

518
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Speaker 3: Drummond and Gore and Drag Those are NBA players.

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Speaker 4: Those are players who I think they're.

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Speaker 1: Going to be forty one and forty one. But just like,

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Speaker 1: and that's.

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Speaker 3: Playing, has to be right, yeah, well yeah, yeah, that's

523
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Speaker 3: that's playing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, right, so what.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh my bad?

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Speaker 1: Ye Kirby trying to u sneak the into the championship

528
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Speaker 1: contender category.

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Speaker 3: The Ready's is still a contender right now.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Zero zero all right. Uh, the Cleveland Cavaliers everybody's favorite

532
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: team right now, everybody's favorite Eastern Conference second favorite team.

533
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Speaker 3: A good season for the Calves last year, obviously, they

534
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Speaker 3: added Donovan Mitchell via trade over the off season finished

535
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Speaker 3: last year kind of like the Bulls are really sweet.

536
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Speaker 3: Start injuries derailed the team. They finished forty four and

537
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Speaker 3: thirty eighth with are forty four and thirty eight knocked

538
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Speaker 3: them down to eighth in the Eastern Conference. So yeah,

539
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Speaker 3: Cleveland Cavaliers. My guess is that this is a playoff

540
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Speaker 3: lock team with people making a case as final four flirts.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, I can't do that. No, I can't

542
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Speaker 1: know with the other teams in the Eastern Conference, but

543
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Speaker 1: of playoff lock, yeah you can. You can twist my arm.

544
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Speaker 1: I'm not as high on this team as others, just

545
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Speaker 1: because I feel there is a collective like to the

546
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Speaker 1: moon with this squad, and I think it's gonna be

547
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Speaker 1: a year or two until maybe that comes to fruition.

548
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Speaker 1: But playoff locks, they should be really good. If they're

549
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Speaker 1: If they're bigs In Mobley and Jared Allen are playing,

550
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Speaker 1: then that right there, that's just you have an elite defense,

551
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: you really do. So, then then you've got obviously Mitchell

552
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Speaker 1: to help out Garland to try and sort of close games.

553
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Speaker 1: You know they're a playoff.

554
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Speaker 4: Lock to me, Yeah, fifty of the games in an

555
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Speaker 4: NBA season are Tuesday, Friday, Sunday nights where you going

556
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Speaker 4: to Cleveland and you got to face the beasts in

557
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: the lane that you do not want to go into.

558
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 4: A big part of guards trying to score on this

559
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: team is looking at those guys in the lane and

560
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Speaker 4: just staying out of it. If you like your your

561
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: scores like plus minus over under numbers, you look when

562
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Speaker 4: they play this team, you got to say, I don't know.

563
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 4: If they're not a great three point shooting team, they're

564
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Speaker 4: not going to produce because they're just scary in there.

565
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Speaker 4: So a forty four win team that just needed a score.

566
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Speaker 4: Insert Donovan Mitchell have all this talent. I believe that

567
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Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell will be inserted pretty seamlessly. I think he

568
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Speaker 4: wants to bounce back. I think he is a good

569
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Speaker 4: team player when he wants to be. This team should excel.

570
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Speaker 4: So many injuries to get to forty four wins. I

571
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Speaker 4: think this is a fifty win team. I think the

572
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Speaker 4: chemistry and the locker room is a big part of

573
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Speaker 4: every NBA team. They've got it, they've got I don't

574
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Speaker 4: think Donovan's messing with that.

575
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Speaker 1: But even you are not going so far to say

576
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Speaker 1: this is a conference finals run. You don't see like

577
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Speaker 1: a potential with the Hawks two years ago, MAVs did

578
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Speaker 1: a year ago. I guess if injuries break their.

579
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Speaker 4: Way, it's a yeah, it's a tough conference to do

580
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Speaker 4: it in. But yeah, if injuries break their way, you know,

581
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: playoff lock is just a it's a nice step here.

582
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Speaker 4: They were playing team they could have They should have

583
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Speaker 4: been a lock until they got really banged up. So

584
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Speaker 4: playoff lock, I do want to say a flirting I

585
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Speaker 4: think they're waving at the final.

586
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Speaker 3: Fourth loot from across the barn, making.

587
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Speaker 4: Absolutely what I think.

588
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Speaker 3: Playoff lock is the place for them to be and

589
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Speaker 3: win a playoff series should be the goal and would

590
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Speaker 3: be an awesome season for the Cavs to win a

591
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Speaker 3: playoff series for the first time without Lebron since Lebron

592
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Speaker 3: entered the league, I think is what it would be right,

593
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Speaker 3: So I'm happy to slot them in there. I think

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Speaker 3: it's kind of weird because when you look at the

595
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Speaker 3: Eastern Conference most of the time, I'm like, uh, they're

596
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Speaker 3: not gonna be able to beat the Bucks because they

597
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: can't handle Giannis. They're not going to be able to

598
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: beat the Sixers because they can't handle Joel Embiid. I

599
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: don't think that's a problem for the Case team. They've

600
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: actually got bigs to play defense. The problem is going

601
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: to be more of a Jimmy Butler or a Jason

602
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: Tatum or a Kevin Durant wing player who really gives

603
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: the Cavs trouble. And it all depend on matchups. So yeah,

604
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Speaker 3: I could foresee them make an eyes at the conference finals,

605
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: if you know, injuries go the right way, matchups go

606
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: the right way, just like they did for the Hawks.

607
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Speaker 1: I saw Kyle. I think it wasn't the stream team

608
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: say they're not the deepest team in the league. So another, well,

609
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: I think that's true because Rubio is not gonna be

610
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Speaker 1: back for a while. Of course, Love, he played great

611
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Speaker 1: last year. Can you do that again off the bench? Krislovert,

612
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't deliver what they were having.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully I haven't bounced back, but yeah, Love, they've got

614
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: some solid guys and Jeddi Osman coming off the bench.

615
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: There's there's Lopez Lopez, there's a Dean Laid.

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Speaker 1: You're just naming guys.

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Speaker 3: Task came up with a great theory on a podcast

618
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: we were on recently. He said, the more players that

619
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Speaker 3: you name on a team, the worse the team is,

620
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Speaker 3: because if you're talking about the eighth guy, it don't

621
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Speaker 3: really matter. Yeah, talk to are really what you need

622
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: to talk.

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Speaker 4: About, trying to talk yourself into guys. But the bench

624
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 4: is bad. Teams they got Kevin mediocre. Nah, it's not okay. Yeah,

625
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 4: it's okay. Kevin Love. Kevin Love got six man.

626
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Speaker 1: It was so good. They would have been better when

627
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: all the guys got injured last year, but they weren't.

628
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: That's most teams.

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Speaker 3: It's all right. We're staying in the Central Division here.

630
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Speaker 3: The Detroit Pistons a league past favorite, no doubt this

631
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 3: year Cade Cunningham year two, j Niby, year one, Jalen.

632
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: During year one, they did lose their leading scorer from

633
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Speaker 3: last season, Jeremy Grant. People seem to just be writing

634
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: that office two cares who cares just lost twenty points

635
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: per game? The one veteran you had on the team.

636
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Speaker 3: But where you all going to be putting the Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 1: I think this is an easy slot. I think they

638
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: just have to be put into the play in part

639
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: because they made the Bogdanovic move. So it tells you

640
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: like their front office doesn't seem to believe that. They're like, well,

641
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: let's just tank and go for a high pick again.

642
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that happens as maybe Kate Conaham picks up an

643
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: injury and suddenly it's like, oh, o case, you can't win

644
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: any games. I don't know, but right now, to me,

645
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Speaker 1: it feels like they would love in March to be

646
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: flirting with the play in Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like that would be like, yeah, oh we could get in.

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Speaker 1: You know, we win this couple games this week, we

649
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Speaker 1: might get a ten seed. So I think they're a

650
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: playing team and I think probably the right spot in

651
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: the Eastern coment.

652
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, throw them in there. I think in the end

653
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: there'll be an Area fifty one team. When it comes

654
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: down to it, they've got boing by damage. I think

655
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: they'll just flip him for another part because they're not

656
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: going to be a playoff team anytime soon. But it's

657
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: fun to think of them as a team that's going

658
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: for it, so why not. Yeah, they lose a twenty

659
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: point game per game guy and Jeremy Grant. It's like,

660
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: you know, you can get fooled by that, right, Like

661
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: Kyle Kuzma twenty point per game guy with the the

662
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: Los Angeles Lakers and we'll get to the Washington Wizards

663
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: in a second. Get fool Yeah that guy was hitting

664
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: threes all year last year, big threes and they lost

665
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: those games. And he's not a great three point shoot. See,

666
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: you get fooled. And Kate kind of destroys all those

667
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: ideas that they need. Other kid is their best player.

668
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: And if Kate is going to take him to the

669
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: play in tournament, that'll be funny.

670
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Successful season would be Caid coming out of the gate

671
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: like he ended the season last year. You know, maybe

672
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: there's like that tiny buzz of like, oh, should kid

673
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: be an All Star here in his second year? They'll

674
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: be that. And if they're like within striking distance of

675
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: a ninth or ten seed come the final couple weeks

676
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: of this season, that's a big, big win of the season.

677
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: And development from these other guys, Bay and Beef and

678
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: the rookies and stuff like that. So yeah, playing fields, right, yeah,

679
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: And you said, like in the end, fourteen teams are

680
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: going to be an Area fifty one when it's all

681
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: said and done, they're all gonna have a minuscule chance

682
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: at the Alien.

683
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: So you know, right right right at the I'm just.

684
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Saying, but I don't think they're leaning towards losing as

685
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: many games as possible.

686
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: You know, we should start. I was thinking about Cad

687
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: and what a great passer he is. He's he's got

688
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: the potential for a Randall Cunningham nickname too. He could

689
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: pass Caid Randall Cunningham whatever.

690
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: He can run pass.

691
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Actually, I love playing with Randall Cunningham in like the

692
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: old Madden Games.

693
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: He was QB Eagles.

694
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all.

695
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: Right, where are you going play Area fifty one? For sure,

696
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: they're going to be They might be the most watchable

697
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: bad team in the league, but the majority of their

698
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: roster is third year or younger, so that's tough, especially

699
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: considering the Eastern Conference has a lot of good teams.

700
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: They'll be fun to watch, they'll be flirting, but I

701
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: don't think they're gonna make the play No. Twenty three

702
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: games last year.

703
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: Where they end up will be Area fifty one.

704
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that, Okay, okay, all right, staying with

705
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: the peen names from the Pistons to the Pacers. I

706
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: guess also a little bit car related as well. The

707
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers a weird team to figure out because they

708
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: do have some veterans still sticking around for now in

709
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: Buddy Heald and Miles Turner. But they finished twenty five

710
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: and fifty seven last year after they made the big

711
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Demonta Sabonis for Tyrese Haliburton trade, drafted Benedict Mathern in

712
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: the draft this year. He seems to be getting a

713
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: ton of buzz right now. During the preseason.

714
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna score a ton. I think he was gonna

715
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: get the opportunity, and like that's why you see, God,

716
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: we have somebody in our stream team every day saying

717
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna win Rookie of the Year. There's some believers.

718
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: I guess if he scores enough, he'll be on the shortlist.

719
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: He'll be on the shortlist.

720
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they're gonna be one of the

721
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: worst teams in the league.

722
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an Area fifty one for me as well.

723
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: It's just they could accidentally hit their over because they

724
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: don't trade their guys fast enough. That's the only possible reason.

725
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: But this should be a team with wins in the twenties.

726
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's not much to discuss. They could overachieve

727
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: if Miles Turner and Buddy Heel are there for a

728
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: long time. But yeah, the best thing that could happen

729
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: for them is they get dealt and they move on

730
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: and it's the Tyres Haliburn Benedict methu show, and Benedict

731
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: Metherurne is looking good in the presea and the way

732
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: Tyres Haliburton is unselfish, Metherine could have a lot of

733
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: opportunities to score. So it's a good dark course Rookie

734
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: of the Year candidate there with with Benedict Okay.

735
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: Area fifty one an easy one moving on though, from

736
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: maybe the worst team in the Eastern Conference to the

737
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: team to finished with the first seed in the Eastern

738
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: Conference last year, the Miami Heat fifty three and twenty nine.

739
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: They lost PJ. Tucker didn't really replace him, but they

740
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: are bringing back Jimmy Butler, Bam out of Bio, Kyle

741
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: Lowry and Max strus. I guess that's like the Big

742
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: four Tyler Hero, throw him in there, everyone, he just

743
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: signed a big deal. But the heat are we putt

744
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: in the heat? They're gonna go on one of these

745
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: top two tiers. I would have to think either a

746
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: championship contender or flirting with that final four.

747
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the flirt is the key part of that tier.

748
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted that in there. And I think

749
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: that's that's right. They're they're they're If they're not in

750
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: the conference finals, they have obviously ambitions to be there.

751
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: And with the coach and that roster, Tucker lost this

752
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: stuff stuff, I mean, especially when you match up with

753
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: a bus or something like that, like, hey, Tucker, can

754
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: you try and slowly? Honest? I mean, you're still gonna

755
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: put thirty on your head, but at least you're gonna

756
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: make it difficult, I guess. But uh yeah, I don't

757
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: see them dropping off. And I think Lowry with what

758
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: was going on off the floor last year, with a

759
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of personal problems and sort of out of shape,

760
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: they're they're just being a damn good team. So I

761
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: think I think a final four flirt is fine with me.

762
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely not below that. You know, they were in

763
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference Final. They weren't far from making the

764
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: NBA Final Celtics, So yeah, it is a team we

765
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: all sort of overlook. But that's fine putting them there.

766
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: They're not a lock for the NBA Finals, and yeah,

767
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: we know who's gonna go into that category in the

768
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference.

769
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, guys. Conference finals seems like the

770
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: spot here. They're gonna be one of the hardest teams

771
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: to beat. But for me to get them into a

772
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: championship contender, they got to make a move because they

773
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: don't really have the second reliable offensive option like Bam

774
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: can do it sometimes, the three point shooting in general

775
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: can do it sometimes, Lowry can do it sometimes. But

776
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: you don't necessarily know who the number two guy is

777
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: gonna be, which is a concern because Jimmy Butler can

778
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: have some stinkers. He has twenty seven total points in

779
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: games three through five last year against the Celtics. We've

780
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: seen him have awesome games, we've seen them also have

781
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: games where he's just completely unaffect ineffective. So if he

782
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: struggles and they don't have the second guy, it's tough

783
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: to make them a championship contender. So I'm happy putting

784
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: them in the Final four. Yep category, Yep. All right,

785
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Moving on this one, I'm imagining we'll go into the

786
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: NBA Finals category. The Milwaukee Bucks, same old Bucks championship team. Basically,

787
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: they're just getting Chris Middleton back from injury. Eventually, Brook

788
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: Lopez only played thirteen games last season. Joe Ingles will

789
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: be back at some point. I'm naming all old guys.

790
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: That's the thing with the Bucks during this run that

791
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: they've had, where they've been one of the best teams

792
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: in the league, won a championship a couple of seasons ago,

793
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: health was never a concern, and now I kind of

794
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: feel like it's the biggest concern with the Bucks. Not

795
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: necessarily with Giannis, but everybody else is pretty old at

796
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: this point.

797
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw a man, Kelly Dwyer point out that

798
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: a bunch of these guys are in their thirties, Middleton,

799
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: Drew Brook, and those are extremely key parts as they

800
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: get older. Yeah. Brook missed a ton of the season

801
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: last year, played about thirteen games. Chris Middleton now going

802
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: to miss the first couple weeks of the season. He

803
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: missed last year's postseason because of an injured wrist. They're

804
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: taking it slow with him, so the first few weeks

805
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: of the season. Yeah, and it's a worry. That just

806
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: leaves me to believe that this team is not going

807
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: to be a number one seed, but they don't care

808
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 4: about that. I really don't see them chasing the number

809
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: one seed in the end. You can't bet against them.

810
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: You can't. You can't bet against them winning it because

811
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: the way they won it two years ago. So they're

812
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: in the the NBA Finals category for me.

813
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is a championship contender. If you honest

814
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: is on your team at this point of his career,

815
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: in his prime, you have a chance to win. And

816
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: then yeah, Brook Lopez is the massive, massive question mark.

817
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: You know, you're thinking Middleton's gonna get back, and he's

818
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: just like, you know, we call him the roller coaster

819
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to playoff games, but he's pretty damn

820
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: consistent dards of shooting the ball and scoring. But Brooke

821
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: showing up that back line, that defense going next level

822
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: with him and Drew as sort of your anchors there

823
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: along with the Honest. That's the cue because they are

824
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: old man. You other guys too like that. They look

825
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: to to contribute like Wesley Matthews Baca even gets the

826
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: odd chance. You know, probably Portis is in a spring chicken.

827
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: They know he's seven or eight years in here too.

828
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: So you know, on one hand, you got the those

829
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: vets that have been there, done that won a title.

830
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you know, does that catch

831
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: up to you at some point? But yeah, they're they're

832
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: a championship contender.

833
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: Pat Conneton's out for a few weeks too.

834
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: All right, I'm with you, champion chip contender for now.

835
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: But they got some question mark, Yeah, no doubt about it.

836
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: Moving on quickly though, to the New York Knicks had

837
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: a thirty seven win season last year. Their biggest win

838
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: of the year came in Game one against the Celtics,

839
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: the Bing Bong Game. Of course, in the twenty twenty

840
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: one season, they won forty seven games. So where are

841
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: we putting the Knicks here? They seem like they're a

842
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: five hundred team. They're not as bad as they were

843
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: in twenty one, not as or not as good as

844
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: they were in twenty one, not as bad as they

845
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: were in twenty two. So five hundred play them in.

846
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels right. I think that I want to

847
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 1: make a case for the playoff lock. I love Jalen

848
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Brunson being outed to the team, and just like the

849
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: impact it has on everyone else, especially their young guys,

850
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: and Barrett and like Ken Tibbs finally play Topping and

851
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: play Grimes and like like really, you know, give these

852
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: young guys give some energy there. I want to make

853
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 1: the playoff lock, but I can't. I can't wit the

854
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: rest of the good teams in the Eastern Conference. So

855
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: slot them in for playing for me.

856
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, high hopes hopes that they're a lock, but he

857
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: can't do it now, it's too soon. It would be nice,

858
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 4: It would be nice if R. J. Barrett's quote saying

859
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: that he thinks the Knicks are gonna shock the world happens.

860
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: And I do think there is a great trickle down

861
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 4: effect of Jalen Brunson and his nickname of the Rock

862
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: coming through to make everybody else just a little bit

863
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 4: more solid in the roles. I think Julius Randall will

864
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: have a bounce back year because you don't have to

865
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: look at him. He's just not gonna get the ball,

866
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: you know. Ten seconds left on the shock clock. Eight

867
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: seconds left on the shock lock Jalen Browns is not

868
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: gonna allow that to happen. R J. Barrett is gonna

869
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: continue his development. He's gonna be great at driving to

870
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 4: the hole as he was in the second half last year.

871
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: But now I'm just gonna name guys, and that's a

872
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: bad sign. It's a bad sign for a team. I'm

873
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 4: gonna stop myself playing tournament. That's all they can hope

874
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 4: for right now.

875
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: If you believe in the preseason at all, and I

876
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: avoid a lot of it. The Knicks looked good with bruntson,

877
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: like really really good, so you know, you hope that

878
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: translates into the regular season. Playing though for you is.

879
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: Well play in for me as well. Though, I will

880
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: say I do overvalue the preseason a little bit because

881
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: the Bulls were great in preseason last year, like their

882
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: offense was unstoppable, and they started the season really hot

883
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: as well. So that does bode well for the Knicks.

884
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: But I think the East is just so good right

885
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: now that it's going to be tough for them to

886
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: add a whole bunch more wins from a thirty seven

887
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: win team. We're just gonna have to look at Julius

888
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: Randall's season at the end of the year, because it's

889
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: like when he was awesome in an All NBA player,

890
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 3: the Knicks had home court advantage. When he was giving

891
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 3: thumbs down to the entire crowd there, the Knicks were bad.

892
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: So if he's somewhere in the middle, likely the Knicks

893
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: are as well.

894
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: And they didn't go all in for Donovan Mitchell trades well,

895
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: they have pieces, picks and players to h oh disgruntled

896
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: star in market X once out, you know, they could

897
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: be one of those teams that makes a move like

898
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: that or not and maybe like they're like, let's build solely,

899
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: as they've continued to do here after the brunt and signing.

900
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: So we'll see worst team in the Eastern Conference. Last year,

901
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic finished twenty two and sixty ended up

902
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: getting the number one draft pick. It's a Polo Bonco.

903
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: Jalen Suggs is out with an injury to start the season.

904
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: Franz Wagner had an incredible euro Basket performance. He might

905
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: be the next Bogdan Bogdanovic where we're like, do it, man,

906
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: We've seen you do it. But where A you're putting

907
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic on this list?

908
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: Here, go ahead.

909
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the team. No one wants to talk about a

910
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: lot of fun parts, a lot of players that you

911
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: can get behind, a lot of you know, internet stars

912
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 4: that are going to have big fan bases. Yeah, the

913
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: Mobamba fans out there.

914
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: Bolds fans, there's a contingent of them. Yeah, yeah, Bull

915
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: Bull's got a lot of fans obviously, Wagner for sure.

916
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jonathan Isaac has a lot of fans in Florida.

917
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: Well he ever play basketball again? Yeah, Cole Anthony makes fans. Yeah.

918
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: I don't know. They could be the internet favorite teams

919
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: like the Hardcores, but they they should. They should be

920
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: looking for Area fifty one. They should be. But that's

921
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: I can't even make a case for playing. I'd love

922
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: to see them all flourish together, but it's hard to see.

923
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: It's just too many things having to go right.

924
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. If we slotted the Pistons

925
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: in the area fifty one, then you can put the

926
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Magic in the area fifty one if that's what we

927
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: ultimately decided on.

928
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there are the Pistons. I think it's the

929
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: Pistons and the Magic for most entertaining bad team in

930
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference. But a step forward would be cool.

931
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Like what, like literally, when you said they had the

932
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: worst record last year in the Eastern Conference, I actually

933
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: caught me by surprise.

934
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what really?

935
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, you go start getting through them, You're like, oh, okay, yeah,

936
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, they can take a step up and still

937
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: be in the bottom part of the conference. I guess, yep,

938
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: that's exactly right.

939
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: They could win more than what I say, twenty two

940
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: wins last year. I mean, they could win five more

941
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: games this year. That's a twenty five percent improvement and

942
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: they're still at twenty seven wins. So yeah, all right,

943
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 3: three teams left in the Eastern Conference the Philadelphia seventy

944
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: six er. Oh buddy, these are the Eastern Conference champion

945
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: contenders that I'm the most skeptical of. Harden the ultimate

946
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 3: playoff question. Joel Embiid has missed six of fifty career

947
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: playoff games, usually for weird stuff like getting sick or

948
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: getting hit in the face. But it's happened. Obviously, you

949
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: got to worry about Doc Rivers making adjustments come playoff time.

950
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: But the seventy six ers are going to be one

951
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 3: of the better teams in the league.

952
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

953
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you mentioned Doc rivers in the postseason. This

954
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: is about the regular season, about getting them there, and

955
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: I think Doc is great at that. I think Doc

956
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: has established who he has as the one, two, three

957
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 4: four on this team, and that's important. Harden knows he

958
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: took a bay cut. He knows that he is just

959
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 4: setting up Embiid, But Embiid also knows that he's got

960
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 4: guys around who are going to work their ass off.

961
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: That's that's the difference than last year. The big difference

962
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: is PJ. Tucker on that defense, to Anthony Melton back there,

963
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 4: and guys like those two who can hit shots rather

964
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: than you know, the George Niangs and matist Thaibel. That

965
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: to me, that's the image that sticks out in my

966
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: mind with them, you know, bumbling and fumbling against the heat.

967
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: Last year, those guys just couldn't make plays. They've got

968
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: an identity, they're gonna work and I think they could

969
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: also hit shots. And you're playing around and beiad who

970
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: has to do less this year because they've got hard

971
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: and they've gone and improve MAXI I believe in this team.

972
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: It just it feels like they've got the makeup. There's questions,

973
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 4: but they've got the makeup to be really good, and

974
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: I think Doc's gonna get that out of them, So

975
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: I want to throw them up at the top. I'm

976
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: fine with the you know, a final four. In the end,

977
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: I think they'll be at the top.

978
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go championship content, Yeah, I think so.

979
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: If embiid had ever made a conference finals, this would

980
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: be like, we'd be no brainer saying they're a championship contender.

981
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: That's the only reason for pause and the Harden part

982
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: where it's like he just has like you know, goes

983
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: missing in some of these playoff games. But even I

984
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: have to put them in a championship contender level. They are.

985
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're healthy, they've added these pieces that

986
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: everybody likes. There's questions, but there's questions for all of

987
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: these teams. But man, they should win a lot of

988
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: regular season games and then we find out can Doc

989
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know when teams like really try and

990
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: take something away particular postseason matchup Ken Doc counter and

991
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: what's that look like? That's a big one. But yeah,

992
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: their championship contender.

993
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they haven't made the conference finals. Yeah, that's the

994
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: Beats never made it a weird while it is weird.

995
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 4: They've they've had two times where they got to seven games, yep,

996
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: and they're just so freaking close. You know, the Raptors series,

997
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: the Hawk series where they bumbled that one and then

998
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: the Heat one last year was a six gamer. I

999
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: think this is the most help that Embiid has like

1000
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 4: throughout the roster. Obviously he had Jimmy, but this is

1001
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: this is a D bass team. This they should get there.

1002
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: And you guys are super super high, rightfully, so on

1003
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: MAXI like go into the next level and like almost

1004
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: maybe flipping in terms of like the scoring load him

1005
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: andenhearten in terms of ranking and that's got Tobias fourth

1006
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So yeah, they got a good team.

1007
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: Yep. The only questions I have about the Philadelphia seventy

1008
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: six ers are the playoffs, Like regular season, They're going

1009
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: to be awesome, And like Tasa saying, this is the

1010
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 3: best Sixers team at least since that twenty nineteen team

1011
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: that came pretty close to making a conference final, So

1012
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: I do think championship contender. Let's talk about the Toronto Raptors.

1013
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: Let's talk about them. I think you guys are going

1014
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: to say that they are final four flirts.

1015
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: No, no way, I'm not as high on the Raptors that. Yeah,

1016
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean people are, uh and I'm going to be

1017
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: cheering for them like they are going to go eighty

1018
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: two and oh and I'm gonna look silly. But no, no,

1019
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: not final four flirts. They're not better than a lot

1020
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: of these teams. You have to play half court offense.

1021
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: The defense is going to be elite. It should be.

1022
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, I'm excited to see what

1023
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Precious does with more opportunity as they're big there and

1024
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: all these switchable guys and everybody locked in on defense

1025
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: and you know, nurse switching it up every three possessions.

1026
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: What they're running and throwing at you, and it's a nightmare.

1027
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to play it. But you gotta score too,

1028
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's pause for concert. It is it is.

1029
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: But I think there, I think I would have to

1030
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: in our tiers. I'm putting them in a playoff lock

1031
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: even that I want to like pump the I'm sorry.

1032
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: Hit the gas. Hit the gas on that, because yeah,

1033
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: forty six and a half win is their sort of

1034
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 4: projected line. They won forty eight games last year all

1035
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 4: they do. Trey, I know that you consider us part

1036
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: of the Canadian propaganda machine, but the two of.

1037
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: The leaders, I wish we had a little Canadian flag.

1038
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: But that's because there's not enough. There's not enough of

1039
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: us out there. The last eleven years they've had their

1040
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: over under projected line. People come in as NBA prognosticators

1041
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: in the same under. Ten of the last eleven years

1042
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 4: they've gone over that number because there's not enough of us.

1043
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: Because people go to Vegas and say, who the hell

1044
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 4: is this team? You they go under uh, and that's

1045
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 4: a huge mistake, a huge mistake, And ten of the

1046
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: last eleven years they go over. So forty six and

1047
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: a half win projected line. The defense is going to

1048
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: be there, as you said, Yeah, the offense is it

1049
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: comes a lot from fast breaks. Yeah, and it's a

1050
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: very much this, hey, we're going to do it by

1051
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: committee type thing. So it's it's not it's not what

1052
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: you'd pay what you drop as a playoff offense. They

1053
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: just don't have a go to guy. Scottie Barnes can

1054
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: erase all that if he becomes that. So TBD on that.

1055
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: But the way the Eastern Conferences laid out playoff lock

1056
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: is the appropriate spot for them. Again, there could be

1057
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: like a Hawks team that somehow knocks down the Raptors.

1058
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: You know, there's just so many good Hawks or so

1059
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: many good Eastern Conference teams.

1060
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, playoff lock, Treyeld, I'm willing to accept the playoff,

1061
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: but I will mention that the Raptors basically play a

1062
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: playoff rotation for the entirety of last Seasonkham, Van Vleet, Barnes,

1063
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 3: and Gary Trent Junior all finished in the top twenty

1064
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: and minutes per game and they got the fifth seed.

1065
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: So I don't know, they're always better than expected, but

1066
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: one of these teams, the Hawks, Cavs, and Raptors, is

1067
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: gonna end up in the playoffs tournament totally, and that'll

1068
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: be a little bit of a disappointing season for any

1069
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: of them. I would think if they're not a top

1070
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: six seeds, so we shall see, I would think the

1071
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: Raptors are Maybe I don't know, the Raptors are most

1072
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: established of those three teams, but least talented. I don't

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00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: know if that's true, but it kind of feels like

1074
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: it to me.

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00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's tough. I don't know, like they

1076
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: don't have holes really in their lineup at all. Like

1077
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: you feel good about all other guys as you went through.

1078
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: Siakam is their star. I mean, guy's an all NBA

1079
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: talent and he was injured to start last year and

1080
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: then one on a run like a door run. So

1081
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: he's their star. But people like they're not convinced. He's like,

1082
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, a top fifteen guy in the league where

1083
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, give him the ball, go get us

1084
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: two man, go win this game. Forms they don't, and

1085
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's not. Yeah, anyway, lock final team here in

1086
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: the West.

1087
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: Final team here in the East, the Washington Wizard.

1088
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: You said, no one talks about your Bulls, like all

1089
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: through the preseason. Fair and I was thinking about that.

1090
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: You're like, they are the least talked about team. I

1091
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: think the Wizards are.

1092
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: Really close, no doubt the.

1093
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Shares it all about this team.

1094
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is a team. You just named guys for.

1095
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: Sure, one of the most named guys guys on Washington Wizards.

1096
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun. What about that Bradley Beale guy, it's

1097
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: pretty good.

1098
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good, He's not bad. He can.

1099
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 4: Monte Morris can help out whole solid.

1100
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: That guy takes care of the ball.

1101
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: The councept of Monte assist.

1102
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: Cross delete Basketball reference. Yeah please, Yeah, they've got who's

1103
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: has already been mentioned?

1104
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: You guys.

1105
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: Guy can pup for thirty points any game.

1106
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: We got to make a classic factory Coozi. People are asking,

1107
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: but that's good, that's good. Yeah, people want that. I

1108
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: could put my U Mario Kart sippy cup in there.

1109
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could it? How is somebody nobody like Kyle kuzmccuzzie.

1110
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: That's the giant pink sweater. Oh, that's like a no brainer.

1111
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't was that even? Has that been made already?

1112
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: It must be any.

1113
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: Anyways, There's just there's just a lot of players you

1114
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: can get infatuated with on this Wizard's team. I'm a

1115
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 4: Danny Avdia guy watching all his Israeli games in the

1116
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: euro Basket you see, had some he had something sick.

1117
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: People like Formula one because it's on at ten am.

1118
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: How about euro Basket on at eight? He actually, yeah,

1119
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: other basketball games on so avia Ruatamore had a good

1120
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: game in Japan in the preseason. Those are guys that, yeah,

1121
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: the hardcourse can get really excited about. But while they

1122
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: result in wins. Doubt it.

1123
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: You can keep going to actually like Will Barton obviously

1124
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: it's got Gafford's not that bad. Go on, right, that's

1125
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: a great backup guard. Tosh Gibson's there.

1126
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: This is These are some guys.

1127
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are some guys.

1128
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: I got the best backup point guards in the league,

1129
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: and one of them is gonna start.

1130
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1131
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1132
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: It started twenty twenty last year.

1133
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably playing fire. Yeah, I mean, if bel

1134
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: and Porzingis are healthy with the rest of the roster,

1135
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: it's not. It's like you're just like gonna accidentally win games.

1136
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly, play a tournament like they could be right

1137
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 3: there with the Knicks. To me, probably fighting for number

1138
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: ten those two teams.

1139
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was there over under that we agreed upon.

1140
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: Probably gotta go over over on. It was like thirty

1141
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: three thirty six and a half, Yeah, something like that

1142
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: mid So yeah, if it's thirty six and a half, yeah,

1143
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: they can win forty ish games maybe maybe.

1144
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: Okay, look, we haven't waited right now, just doing the

1145
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference for everybody watching here on YouTube and the

1146
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: stream team. Uh, you know, we've balanced it out for

1147
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: the most part, I guess Final four Flirts is the

1148
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: UH is the one that only has a one team

1149
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: in the minami heat right now. But let's keep this going.

1150
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: It took a little longer we thought, but it's always

1151
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: fun doing the tiers. Will take a break. When we

1152
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: come back, we will jump over to the Western Conference tiers.

1153
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: All right, back in the Classic Factory. Love to see

1154
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: the numbers we're doing here in the stream team If

1155
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: you're new, subscribe to Notungks on YouTube and hit that

1156
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: like button. We are ranking all thirty teams by tiers,

1157
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: five different tiers, Championship contenders, Final four Flirts, you got

1158
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: the playoff locks play in potential teams and then the

1159
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: tankers in Area fifty one for Yama. And we've done

1160
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: the East. You see it there. Let's get into the West.

1161
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: What let's get into the West. Our first team, alphabetically

1162
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: the Dallas Mavericks. They went to a conference finals last season,

1163
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 3: finished fifty two and thirty. They ran into a couple

1164
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 3: of teams and the Jazz and Suns who were melting down,

1165
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: and they took advantage of it going to the conference

1166
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: finals before they lost their to the Warriors. Main stuff

1167
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: for the Mavericks. This seasons, they lost Jalen Brunson and

1168
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: kind of replaced him with Christian Wood. I would say

1169
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: that was there in and out right box.

1170
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: And they got Tim Hardaway Junior coming back.

1171
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, there wasn't a whole not a ton,

1172
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: not a ton going on for the Mavericks. So where

1173
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: we putting them on the tiers?

1174
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 4: Well, Luca steps on to this graphic and he decides,

1175
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: I am going to climb up these rankings were even

1176
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: a playoff lock is a little bit extreme. But his

1177
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 4: name is Luka doncch How do you take him off

1178
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: of that spot? Is he flirting?

1179
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: Is he is?

1180
00:53:59,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: He?

1181
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: We have a Final four flirt, that's really I mean

1182
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 4: you mentioned the names. He is going to elevate that

1183
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 4: team no matter who is beside him. They've got a

1184
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: great sort of identity locker room, but they don't have

1185
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: somebody to take them to that championship level. And then

1186
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: once they get in the postseasons, somehow Luca takes them

1187
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: to that Final four flirt level and take them to

1188
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: the Final four. But but it's hard to put him

1189
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: there now. It's difficult, and I don't see any of

1190
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 4: those guys really stepping into that role. I've got hope

1191
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 4: for Christian would but he was also let go by

1192
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 4: two teams in Detroit and Houston that didn't believe. So

1193
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: where do you put Luca with Dorian Phinney Smith and

1194
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: Reggie Bull. Where do you put them? I think it's

1195
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: a playoff lock is fine. It's not too high and

1196
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 4: it's not too low.

1197
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're debating final four lock and playoff lock

1198
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: or final four flirt and playoff lock, I was debating

1199
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: playoff loack playing team that's fair. So it feels like

1200
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna end up putting them in a playoff lock.

1201
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: We'll get Trey's opinion on it too. I'm just like

1202
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: that defense was a leade at the start of last season,

1203
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: shocked at a lot of people sort of fell off

1204
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: as the season went on. You know, Christian Wood is

1205
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: not known for defense. He's gonna probably get his numbers though.

1206
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm more I'm just like leaning a little bit to

1207
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: the end of the playoff lock teams and more into

1208
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: the play in there. I wouldn't be surprised if they

1209
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: are a seventh or eight seed. Can Luca do it

1210
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: by himself? God? Yeah, I mean yeah, answer is yeah,

1211
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: So that's always scary in any series, but you got

1212
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: to get there. I personally put this team in a

1213
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: play in spot.

1214
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: I think playoff lock is the category for us because

1215
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 3: I've got him as a conference finals team. I think

1216
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 3: Luca is that good. I think the loss of Jalen

1217
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 3: Brunson will honestly be minimal. Between Tim Hardaway Junior coming back,

1218
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: Spencer Dinwiddie was great in the playoffs last year. Got

1219
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: to replicate it again, and I think you could see

1220
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: a similar sort of trajectory for Christian Wood as we

1221
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: saw with Spencer dinwiddy last year. He was apparently the

1222
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: problem for the Wizards and then he came to Dallas

1223
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: and was incredible. So could the same thing happen for

1224
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: Christian Wood playing on his first good team in his career. Possibly.

1225
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: I think they do probably need the right path the

1226
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: way they had last year with Utah and Phoenix having

1227
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: internal problems that showed themselves on the court. But they

1228
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: can definitely win two series in my book, just because

1229
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: they do have Luca. But if somebody's saying a play

1230
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: in tournament, somebody's saying a conference finals, I think playoff lock, yeah,

1231
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 3: is the way to go for Dallas.

1232
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Hey, look, they just got to pray that Luca plays

1233
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: because this team is mad top heavy. Oh yes, if

1234
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: Luca misses any amount of significant time, I think they're toast.

1235
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: So you know they weren't good when he missed time.

1236
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: Last year you played miss like fifteen seventeen games something

1237
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: like that, and they were not winning a majority of

1238
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: those these and that was with Brunson.

1239
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 4: And then I started thinking about, yeah, they lose Brunson,

1240
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 4: but they got these these nasty guys. They build teams.

1241
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 4: They build their team. I know people think, oh they

1242
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 4: don't have a second start. I get that, but they

1243
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 4: have tough dudes. They have they have strong dudes that

1244
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: are gonna play on the defensive end. They just signed

1245
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: for Kundo Composo just as a nice little spark plug

1246
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 4: to help out. He used to be teammates with Luca

1247
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: and Real Madrid. What uh you know, Jafaila McGee is

1248
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: is as much as people make fun of him, he's

1249
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 4: gonna help. He's he is a guy who's won ships.

1250
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: Like they're gonna be all on the same track again

1251
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: with like Dori and Finney Smith and and Reggie Bullock

1252
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: and and maybe they can pull Christian Wood along, like

1253
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: you said, with that. They did with Spencer Dinwiddie, who yeah,

1254
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: was just in a different situation. So they overachieved. They're

1255
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: an overachieving team, so I think they'll get to that

1256
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 4: playoff spot.

1257
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: TBD okay, playoff locks fine, playoff lock is fine, all right.

1258
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: Next up on the list two time MVP Nicola Jokic

1259
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: and the Denver Nuggets. This is a tough one to

1260
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: me as well, because they should be a lot better,

1261
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: be right. Yeah, getting back Michael Porter Junior. They're getting

1262
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: back Jamal Murray. I've got them in the championship contender

1263
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: category because they do have the MVP. We've seen them

1264
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: go to a conference finals when they're at full strength,

1265
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: but that's been a couple of years ago. They're also

1266
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: the championship contender I'm kind of the most skeptical about,

1267
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: at least in the Western Conference.

1268
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got Joel Embiide sixers vibes, that's that's for sure.

1269
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 4: Have they done it before? No, they so you can

1270
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 4: be skeptical, but I think how they put together their

1271
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 4: season last year, plus those guys that Trey just mentioned

1272
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: to me, I don't see any wavering. I think I

1273
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 4: think it'll be a true, like a true mathematical equation.

1274
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 4: Jokic plus Murray plus Porter plus equals a very good team. Yeah,

1275
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: so I can put them in that championship contender category.

1276
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: You said it perfectly. They to me are like the

1277
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: Western Conference version of the Sixers, where it's like, you know,

1278
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: they're really good. They should win a lot of games.

1279
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: They have like an MVP Big or MVP like Big

1280
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: in the Sixers case. So I'm but but you're like, well,

1281
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: they haven't been to the finals and all that, and

1282
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: they've come up short at times. But I had in

1283
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: our preseason prediction podcast, I mean, I did say it's

1284
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: a bit of a look, it's a long shot, but

1285
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: like Nuggets, Bucks in the finals. So I have to

1286
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: put them in the championship contender if I'm making that prediction.

1287
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they haven't made it yet, but at some point

1288
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: they're gonna make it.

1289
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: And if they don't have to play the Warriors, they

1290
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 3: got a good chance. That's the thing. I don't really

1291
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: think that Denver can beat the Warriors in a playoff series,

1292
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: but I think other teams could beat the Warriors, and

1293
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: that Denver could beat any other team in the Western Conference.

1294
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: So if the path is right, they could definitely make

1295
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: it to the finals.

1296
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: Hold on the dogs, us hey jd Well, he's run

1297
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: a renovations. You should throw some carpet down upstairs.

1298
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 4: No, those are those are horses. Yeah, no, riled up.

1299
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 4: This team's not gonna make the finals. They're gonna make it.

1300
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're putting them in a championship contender level.

1301
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that's good. I think they at

1302
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: least got to be considered one of the finals contenders

1303
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: to me, Okay.

1304
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 4: Yep, that's fun. Yeah, these Tears are great.

1305
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: Well, you don't think four teams are gonna make the NBA.

1306
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: Fin Yeah, I know this is I'm like, maybe we're going.

1307
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: You guys don't understand how tears work.

1308
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, it's fine.

1309
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 4: I believe I believe in them, all right.

1310
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: Next Golden State Warriors Championship contenders throw men easy one.

1311
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. We'll see. Well, you know,

1312
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: is there any any Draymond Green Jordan Puol hangover from

1313
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: the punch. We'll see. I don't it not to me.

1314
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: The only question for the Warriors if they trade Draymond

1315
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: during the season. That changes things, obviously, but it seems

1316
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: unlikely to be that they would do that in the

1317
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: middle of a title defense season.

1318
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not going to do Curry dirty like that.

1319
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 4: Steph wants Draymond beside him. They have made a decision

1320
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: here to pay other guys long term, but that's beyond

1321
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: this year. They can't move him this year. If he

1322
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: decides not to take his player option next year, sure,

1323
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 4: but I think everyone's put on a good face since

1324
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: Jordan Poole had his face rearranged real quickly, and now

1325
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: they're going for it. That's all business. They may not

1326
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: be they might not be smiling at each other, those

1327
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: two particular guys, but they know how to win. And yeah,

1328
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 4: it feels last Dance is sometimes those trade type characters. Yeah,

1329
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: they they burn out at some point, Yeah, their relationships

1330
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: with their teams, But I don't think it's burning out anyways.

1331
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 4: They're they're too good. They're too good not to have

1332
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: in this.

1333
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: As currently constructed with. Obviously, their guys have won a

1334
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: ton of championships with like what four guys on that

1335
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: roster having four titles to their name. If you're including

1336
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: Igdala and then yeah, the young guys coming up and

1337
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: getting some championship running themselves. That's a with Steve Curstal there.

1338
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: They are no brainer on this list. I've already seen

1339
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: the graphic for the Last Dance. You see they've remade it.

1340
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: Steve Kerr was on the original graphic.

1341
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know, so we have to include them

1342
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: as what I'm saying, and he's not getting traded once

1343
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: the graphics made, you can't trade a play.

1344
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 4: What's the graphic? I missed it.

1345
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, really like the Last Dance the series,

1346
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: and it was like very white and it had like

1347
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: the cutouts basically, Jordan Pippenkur was on it, like their

1348
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: key players in the Last Dance.

1349
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've done it with the Warriors.

1350
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: Right, they're calling it the Last Dances there again.

1351
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: Who made who made? Oh?

1352
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw it on Basketball Forever.

1353
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 3: It sounds like something that Andy k Lou or Samasfondiari

1354
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: Okay or maybe one of their associates.

1355
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: I thought there was.

1356
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: A document it. You said they made it, you know,

1357
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know.

1358
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know they collective they.

1359
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, the internet.

1360
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there will be a Warriors document. Yeah, they were

1361
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: a notable sports event, so they will have a documentary

1362
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: made about that. Yeah, all right, worst team in the

1363
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 3: NBA last season. That's weird to say, the Houston Rockets,

1364
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 3: but they were. They're gonna be bad again this year.

1365
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 3: You want to just throw them in the Area fifty one.

1366
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're gonna be scrappy. I do. I

1367
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: think of all the bad, bad teams in Area fifty one,

1368
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I think they'll be like if you're ranking all the

1369
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: crap teams we have at the bottom, I'll have them

1370
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: like higher than a lot of the teams in the end,

1371
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: but it still has them in that area fifty one,

1372
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: in the in the tank category in tier. But I'm excited.

1373
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: I think they they're gonna be much much better than

1374
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: they were last year. And yeah, I can't convince myself.

1375
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're absolutely going to fight and be scrappy.

1376
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 4: As you said, Yeah, if you like the heartfelt moments.

1377
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: Kevin Porter Junior just re signed with the team and

1378
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 4: he literally said this team saved my life. And Steven

1379
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 4: silas head coach, was asked about that and had he

1380
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 4: had a very emotional moment because he is a part

1381
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 4: of that. He is their leader and they got to

1382
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 4: follow him and he has gotten through to a lot

1383
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 4: of guys, so they'll be a Yeah, they're they're heartwarming story.

1384
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 4: And if they can get up to twenty five wins,

1385
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 4: as you said, Trey with the Magic in the Eastern Conference,

1386
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 4: that's a great season for them.

1387
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gotta be Area fifty one.

1388
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: I will say we've had basically zero buzz for Jabari

1389
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 3: Smith Junior. Yeah, the guy almost went number one in

1390
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 3: the draft and just seems to be flying under the radar.

1391
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: There's more love for Easton. It feels like, yeah, their

1392
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: other rockets, but yeah, uh, I'll be excited to see

1393
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully Jayalen Green have a better start to

1394
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: his season and Shun Gun and in all these guys

1395
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be scrappy, but they're just not gonna

1396
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: end in a lot of dubs. Like if they're flirting,

1397
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: if they're getting close to thirty, that's a really good season.

1398
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 4: A lot of good players with great name recognition, and

1399
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 4: they are the Orlando Magic. To me, you can get

1400
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 4: high about it. Josh Christopher Game, Jayshn Tate is fun.

1401
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 4: There's a lot of those.

1402
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: They got bulbon for crying out him and Jayalen Green

1403
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: doing this. Michael Jackson's smooth criminal like lead. Why I

1404
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: don't know, but uh yeah, he's there for a good time.

1405
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 3: So it's always good to have Bowban vibes. Have them around,

1406
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: good for vibes. Yeah, and they've got the meatball himself,

1407
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: Eric Gordon right now at least okay a weird team

1408
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: to try and figure out his next or less. The

1409
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 3: LA Clippers forty two and forty Last season, they were

1410
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: in the play in Tournament. Paul George missed their last

1411
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: game of the season during a COVID protocol absence. They're

1412
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 3: getting Kawhi Leonard back for sixty seven games maximum. They're

1413
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: getting Paul George back for the season, one of the

1414
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: deepest rosters in the league. Are you a sicko enough

1415
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: that you're putting the LA Clippers in the NBA Finals category?

1416
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: That's the question.

1417
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people, a lot of Zach Lowe I think,

1418
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: has the Clippers in the finals. A lot of people

1419
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: cover the league say they're going to do it. I

1420
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: don't think so, but I guess if we have the

1421
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: Nuggets there, if we have the Sixers there in that tier.

1422
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers have to be included.

1423
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: I think it's right. It's very much a Kawhi type

1424
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 4: situation here where there's no buzz about them. He's been

1425
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 4: waiting for this for sixteen months since he's played. I

1426
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: think he's ready to lead this team. And they made

1427
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 4: a conference finals in twenty twenty one, the playoffs before

1428
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: last season when Kawhi got hurt during those playoffs, and

1429
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: they were almost there. They are almost into the NBA Finals,

1430
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's totally acceptable. They're the healthiest,

1431
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 4: and obviously we haven't seen them in a long time,

1432
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 4: so that's why you would drop them down. But I

1433
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 4: guess you can make you can make an argument for

1434
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 4: them being a playoff lock. I guess if you're crazy,

1435
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: you could be a play in no see, I.

1436
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: Think it's it's championship contendo or it's a final four flirt.

1437
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I could all go poorly. I mean,

1438
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: those guys could play like forty combined games. Yeah, it

1439
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: always happens, and then they're a five hundred team. But

1440
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: if these guys are healthier, and even if they're resting

1441
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: and back to backs, the team is deep, they might

1442
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: be the deepest team in the league. You know, they're

1443
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: well coached. There's there's expectations that I think they're going

1444
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: to ultimately come up short. But I'm fine still, can

1445
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, being convinced that they got to be on

1446
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: the short list for a team I could win the

1447
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: title if all things go the.

1448
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: Way, fine with me. Let's throw them in that top

1449
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: tier because I do think if all things go well,

1450
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: they're probably the team best equipped to beat Golden State

1451
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 3: in a playoff series because they can play small with

1452
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 3: Golden State. They've been doing it for a few seasons

1453
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: since they acquired Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. But Kuhi

1454
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: is the thing that takes them from Final four flirt

1455
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: to NBA Finals. Like Paul George can get you to

1456
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: the final four, perhaps he's that level of player, Kuhi

1457
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: is the next level.

1458
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I am looking ahead here, but I like

1459
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: our six teams we have in that top tier, and

1460
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be too many more being

1461
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: at it.

1462
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 3: So I feel good to believe you're right. I feel good.

1463
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.

1464
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: Biggest question in the Western Conference for me the Los

1465
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: Angeles Lakers. They won an NBA championship two years ago.

1466
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: Like almost to the day two years ago, they won

1467
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: an NBA championship. But it's just Lebron and Ad. Russell

1468
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: Westbrook is still there, Patrick Beverley is now there, Taylor

1469
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: Horton Tucker is gone. There's just a lot of random

1470
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: players on the Lakers, but all comes down to Lebron

1471
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 3: and Ad. And I really only trust Lebron at this

1472
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 3: point in their career. So for me, you can convince

1473
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 3: me either way between playoff lock and play in tournament

1474
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: on the Lakers.

1475
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's a lot of it is on Anthony

1476
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 4: Davis's shoulders, being still in his prime, and I get

1477
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 4: that you trust Lebron more. That makes sense. Anthony Davis

1478
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 4: coming into this season saying I'm looking forward to playing

1479
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: the Warriors on Opening Night's gonna be fun to spoil

1480
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 4: a ring night. I don't like the talking before the game.

1481
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 4: I don't like I don't like it. Just go do

1482
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 4: it first. Before we're talking in the preseason. I just

1483
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 4: play the game first, you know. Reminds me of last

1484
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 4: year when he said the Phoenix Suns, yeah they knocked

1485
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 4: us out, but whatever, you know, just go do it first.

1486
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 4: I get that you want to rely on Lebron, but

1487
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 4: he's getting older too. Because of how weak the rest

1488
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 4: of this roster is, you're gonna have to rely on ads,

1489
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 4: so I gotta put them in the play in position

1490
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 4: just because of how good the Western Conference is. Yeah,

1491
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 4: I think Kendrick Nunn is going to help out, but

1492
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 4: like Trey said, you got to rely on the top

1493
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 4: guys because of how weak the rest of the roster is.

1494
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 4: That's where they're going for me, playing.

1495
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: Playing, I'll be shocked if the Lakers are not a

1496
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: seventh to the tenth seed when the season is done, right.

1497
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, yeah, I don't know. I guess I

1498
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: would be more surprised that they are a top six

1499
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: team than if they were seventh through ten.

1500
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Yeah, that's what I mean.

1501
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yah, yeah, Well this is the right spot playing.

1502
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 3: Its gonna be a glamorous play in tournament with the

1503
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: three biggest markets in America all making the play in

1504
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 3: tournament the Brooklyn Nets, the New York Knicks, the Los

1505
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: Angeles Lakers, and the Chicago Wow, we got to find

1506
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: a way to get the Clippers down in there as well.

1507
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: Do you think we're just gonna do some massive numbers

1508
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: during these.

1509
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps, probably perhaps, all right, moving on, a conference

1510
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: finals contender, certainly fin with the second most wins in

1511
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 3: the Western Conference last year. But they're coming in with

1512
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: an injury to Jaron Jackson Junior. Where are we going

1513
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 3: to put the Memphis Grizzlies on our championship tiers?

1514
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: Oh? They are batting their eyes flirting. Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes,

1515
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: I feel really good about this slot. I like that way.

1516
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of teams in this tier

1517
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: right now. They gotta put right beside the Miami Heat

1518
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: in my opinion, with John Morant and Baine, and you

1519
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: get Jaron Jackson Junior back, They got Clark on a

1520
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: great deal, and it goes on and on it. They're

1521
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: a really really good team. They have an identity, and

1522
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: they should still win a lot of games. Will he

1523
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: take a step back from last year because of the

1524
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: triple j injury at start? Maybe? Maybe? But I think

1525
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: at the end, when we get into March April and

1526
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: then into May, you know, I want to play them

1527
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: in a playoff series and they could beat a lot

1528
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: of these teams and hang with a lot of these teams.

1529
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, flirt feels right to me.

1530
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be the next step in their evolution.

1531
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: They won a playoff series last year against the Timberwolves.

1532
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 4: If they can get there, that would be I think,

1533
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 4: a huge step, right, So I'm by that. It would

1534
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 4: be very disappointing for them if they were to fall into,

1535
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: you know, even a six seed. They want to be

1536
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 4: top four and they need to win a playoff series.

1537
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 4: But I'm a believer too. I don't think that that

1538
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 4: locker room drops off or falls just just because I

1539
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 4: know there's not a lot of big names on that

1540
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 4: roster and people feel like they overachieve. But you got

1541
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 4: John that roster, you're gonna be good.

1542
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think Final four flirt makes complete

1543
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: sense to me because the Grizzlies are about half a

1544
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: guy away from being an actual championship contender. I think

1545
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: that could be more offensive consistency from Jared Jackson Junior

1546
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: when he returns. It could be a big step forward

1547
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 3: from Zayier Williams, who had a decent rookie season showed

1548
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 3: some flashes. It could be Desmond Baine being a twenty

1549
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: two point per game score or something like that. Could

1550
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: be Dylan Brooks not taking every shoddy seas they're knocking

1551
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: on the door of contendership. But I still think it's

1552
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: a big ask for them to win enough series to

1553
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 3: actually make it to the NBA Finals. So Final four

1554
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 3: Flirts works for me. A team they're going to be

1555
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 3: beefing with, I do believe this season and that they

1556
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 3: beefed with in the playoffs. Last year, the Minnesota Timberwolves

1557
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 3: had their best season since two thousand and four. Last year,

1558
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: I think you would say the Timberwolves they added Rudy Gobert,

1559
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: traded away a bunch of their depth, and a bunch

1560
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: of their picks. I've got them as a playoff lock.

1561
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 3: I would hear a pitch for them making a conference finals.

1562
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: Who wants to make it? Put your glove out, kid,

1563
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: pitch away.

1564
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: Nobody wants put them in the playoff category.

1565
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a locker myself.

1566
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not convinced that they're going to be in

1567
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: a conference finals with the Twin Towers.

1568
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 4: Anthony question, there's questions. It's going to take a little bit,

1569
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 4: I think for their defense. But I'm you know, I'm

1570
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 4: a huge Anthony Edwards believer. I say that, and then

1571
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 4: I want to retract it because I think they're They're

1572
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 4: built decently. They do have a thin bench, but you know,

1573
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 4: some of these guys are gonna overcheve. Kyle Anderson's gonna

1574
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 4: help and I don't know. I just again, Western Conference

1575
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 4: is a very tough spot, the four or five combo.

1576
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 4: It's a bit difficult there to figure out. But they

1577
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 4: they could be overachievers. And Chris Finch, to me as

1578
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 4: a head coach, is like Nick Nurse in the Eastern Conference.

1579
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 4: They're just gonna figure things out and they're gonna be

1580
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 4: good at some point. And Daniel Russell's gonna like lobbin

1581
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 4: balls to Rudy Gobert. So they got a lot of

1582
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 4: good things going for them. But you know, you're gonna

1583
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 4: doubt some teams, and you're gonna believe in some teams.

1584
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 4: I believe in the Nuggets, and I got a little

1585
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 4: doubt that this team could be as good as the Nuggets.

1586
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 4: Are they on the Nuggets level, No, I mean, you

1587
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 4: can bat some eyes if you want, but Lock is

1588
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 4: a decent category for me.

1589
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: Lock feel's right. Love him or hate on Rudy Gobert.

1590
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: Regular season teams win a ton of games. I could

1591
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: just go look back at the Utah Jazz like win

1592
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: percentage over the last you know, five six years, sixty

1593
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: percent win team last year, seventy two before that, sixty one,

1594
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: sixty one, one fifty nine sixty two. They win a lot.

1595
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I think they will win a lot of regular season games.

1596
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: It will always be a question mark in a playoff

1597
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 1: series with him and Towns needs to exercise some playoff demons.

1598
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: I know he has n't been to a ton of

1599
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: playoff games, but he's had some duds. But they're fine.

1600
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: They're a playoff lock.

1601
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 3: The golf lock is the place for them because, like

1602
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 3: you're saying, the Jazz were always great in the regular season, yeah,

1603
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 3: but they also never made a conference finals. When it

1604
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: came to playoff time, that is gonna be the question

1605
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: for Minnesota because that's when the Gobert Towns pairing is

1606
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 3: gonna finally become a problem. They'll run through the regular

1607
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 3: season because that's a tough team to match up with,

1608
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 3: playing two gigantic, talented big guys, but both of them

1609
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: are going to be targets and Rudy Gobert can only

1610
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: do so much covering for Carl Towns because what if

1611
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 3: they bring Gobert out there, Towns is covering for Gobert.

1612
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

1613
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: Tim as a ty Winters is in the stream team.

1614
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fascinating five, right Russell Anthony Edwards

1615
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: possibly a slow mo. I mean we're looking at maybe

1616
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 1: ending games or whatever, and then you're two big guys

1617
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: in Towns and Gobert.

1618
01:14:58,920 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 3: So it's weird.

1619
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. And they got some guys off the

1620
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: bench too, so they should win a ton of regular

1621
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: seas games. Chris Finch is a good coach, so yep, okay,

1622
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: we got them a playoff.

1623
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 3: Lock a team many people are excited for, myself included

1624
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: the New Orleans Pelicans kind of the darlings of I

1625
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 3: guess you would say May last year. The way they

1626
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 3: turned it on at the end, were great in the

1627
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: play in tournament, and then they really gave the Phoenix

1628
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: Suns a scare in their playoffs series. What about the

1629
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 3: New Orleans Pelicans?

1630
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 4: Where are we putting that?

1631
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: I struggle with this one.

1632
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 4: I do.

1633
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: I feel like there are a couple tiers you could

1634
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: slot them in, you know, be it because of so

1635
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: many talented teams in the West. Could you go as

1636
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: low as play in Are they a playoff lock? Could

1637
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: you say, like, hey, look at this what they did

1638
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: at the end of last year, putting them a fight

1639
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: against the Suns. When they got in there, you had

1640
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson. I mean, you had a guy that's like,

1641
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: might be twenty five and ten for crying out loud,

1642
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: like why aren't they a flirt? So I'm confused. Oh,

1643
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where to put them. I think I

1644
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: ultimately decide on a playoff lock, but yeah.

1645
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 4: Wow, I can't even put them there. I am excited

1646
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 4: for their potential. I'm excited for Zion Williamson to be

1647
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 4: a new age shack with handling the ball. You know,

1648
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 4: he's got the Yannis characteristics in that he plays like

1649
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 4: him to some degree, but he hasn't been able to

1650
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 4: stay on the floor. But there is a floor there,

1651
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 4: I say floor in that this team is just going

1652
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 4: to perform, you know, with Brandon Ingram, they showed Ingram, CJ. Mccoum,

1653
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 4: led by Willie Green and Valent Hunters and those type

1654
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 4: of guys, They're not going to be below a playing

1655
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 4: tournament team, but you could see them falling to that

1656
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 4: if Zion's not on the floor, so to me, the

1657
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,879
Speaker 4: ceiling is playoff lock. Right now, floor is playing tournament.

1658
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: They feel like they're going to be I don't know,

1659
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: it could be they be. They're a playing team once again,

1660
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: that gets in the playoffs. Yeah right, I don't know

1661
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: why that feels like a playoff lock in that theory.

1662
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: Still I'm cheating.

1663
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 4: But to you, man, it's up to you.

1664
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you decide, that's up to me.

1665
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1666
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 3: I was going between playoff lock and playing tournament. I

1667
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 3: came in thinking playoff lock, but now I'm thinking playing none.

1668
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 3: But then then win the play and suckers, you're getting

1669
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,919
Speaker 3: a playoff lock. It's the preseason. Let's feel good about ourselves.

1670
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think they're like, do you think the

1671
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: Mavericks and Wolves are like guaranteed to be better than

1672
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: the Pelicans? Oh, they're like they're on the same level.

1673
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. I mean, I don't know

1674
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: the Pelicans, for as good as they were good as

1675
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 3: they were last year, they had they played five hundred

1676
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: basketball like for four months, which was impressive considering the

1677
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 3: way the season started. I actually had a full run

1678
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: with their actual team together Jonas Valentinus and Zion front

1679
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 3: court is going to be a problem in the playoffs,

1680
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: like they're going to get eviscerated when teams really target

1681
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 3: those guys. That'll that'll be a problem. But that's something

1682
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: to worry about in the future. So I don't know. Yeah,

1683
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 3: playoff lock, I think they could win their playing game.

1684
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have the Wolves and MAVs is a level

1685
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 4: up in the Pelicans. But you're right, Tray, it's time

1686
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,520
Speaker 4: to be optimst.

1687
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: Okay, optimistic exactly, all right, gotta be optimistic, especially with

1688
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: this team, the OKAC Thunder. They're missing their best player,

1689
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: certainly in shake Yale just Alexander. Who knows where Chet

1690
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: Holmgren would have came in on the rankings for this season,

1691
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 3: but he ain't playing. They finished next to last in

1692
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 3: the Western Conference last year twenty four wins, and I

1693
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 3: think this is gonna be an easy area fifty one.

1694
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, put him in baby, Yeah.

1695
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: Though, I will say I heard Jeff Van Gundy on

1696
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: Low's podcasts he believes the Thunder will be scrappy even

1697
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: without Chet, and they were they were the last two

1698
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: years when they started the season. Sure, I think they

1699
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: started like you know, I don't know, like six and

1700
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: nine or something like. It wasn't brutal, but he also

1701
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: five started Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. He called Jeffan

1702
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: Gundy called Willie Hernan Gomez Billy.

1703
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 4: Has anyone ever done that?

1704
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 3: You hear it?

1705
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 4: Really?

1706
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: I never heard that. I was like, whoa did he?

1707
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: I was like, was that an error? And he just

1708
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: thought his name was Billy or it was like, you know,

1709
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: it's William Bill, Billy, Willie. It's all the same, it's

1710
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 1: all the same.

1711
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 4: Yeah. Then you go to Guermo Hernandez for a second

1712
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 4: last years.

1713
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 3: That's right.

1714
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 4: I think he changed his name anyway, Well change it

1715
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: to his actual name. Yeah, they will be scrappy. They

1716
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 4: were in middle of the pack defense last year. I

1717
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 4: think Shaye plays a lot more. I know, you guys

1718
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: doubt whether or not she's going to be on the floor,

1719
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 4: but Shay is a really good offensive player playing with Giddy.

1720
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 4: They have a decent hierarchy with him and then lou Dor. Yeah,

1721
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 4: I know, like they can. Yeah, well they're not playing tournament.

1722
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. They're an Area fifty one team undoubtedly, undoubtedly,

1723
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 4: but you know, a big improvement for them would be

1724
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 4: like twenty eight twenty nine wins, So I think that's

1725
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 4: that's a dream for them.

1726
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, they're an Area fifty one team. Exciting things

1727
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: about the thunder Josh Giddy year two. Yeah cool, let's

1728
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 3: see some cool passes. Let's see you'd be able to

1729
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: shoot some threes. I think what a huge step forward

1730
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 3: for him. And I don't know, maybe I've just follown

1731
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: Andrew Schleckt too closely, but this could be the Poku season.

1732
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow. Well, I've already said Jalen Williams's okay,

1733
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: second team All rookay too. I'm convinced that's happening as well,

1734
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: and I will at some point after he like hits

1735
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: a game winner, has a couple thirty twelve and eights.

1736
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: I'll have a week here on the podcast where I

1737
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: start making my case for shake Yield as Alexander's All

1738
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: Star nominee. So you can get excited for that too.

1739
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: Excellent souse that's coming.

1740
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1741
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 3: Well, the thing with missing time at the beginning of

1742
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 3: the season is he'll likely play more in the second

1743
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 3: half of the same time Exhaus Star time.

1744
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1745
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 3: Timing is everything. Speaking of timing is everything. Not really

1746
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: a segway that makes sense for this team. But the

1747
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns, they had a bad time during the off season,

1748
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 3: but the Suns did win or did lead the league

1749
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 3: in wins last season, sixty four wins, unbelievable stuff. But

1750
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 3: the bloom is off the rose. I do believe with

1751
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: the Phoenix Suns here, so I'll be curious to see

1752
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 3: where you guys are slotting them in.

1753
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're not high on the on the

1754
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: Suns with the vibe yes and like Crowder like where's

1755
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: crowd are getting traded to and who's trading or what's

1756
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: coming back in a potential trade? And then yeah, eating

1757
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: are they just gonna like have to, you know, grit

1758
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: their teeth and play nice until mid January when you

1759
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: can technically trade him if he uh, if he wants

1760
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: to be moved at that point, I don't know, but

1761
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean they're still a good team.

1762
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the lowest that you can see. Yeah,

1763
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 4: I'm in Yeah, I agree.

1764
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're saying they won nearly. Like when you

1765
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: win sixty four, you said they want you win sixty

1766
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: five games in an NBA season, in a full season

1767
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: like that, you're getting into like rarefied air, like that's

1768
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: like the best of the best generally can only do that,

1769
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: So that's special. And yeah, they're basically the same squad,

1770
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, how do they not? How do they not?

1771
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 1: Like even if they hate each other, even if like whatever,

1772
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: there's some some turmoil, that's they still like are falling

1773
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: into fifty wins, I think, right, and that's a play.

1774
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 4: Do you want to go Final four? No?

1775
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean I sort of do, but I don't know.

1776
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: I got them Conference finals flirt flirting, Yeah, I definitely

1777
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: think so. There are just so many question marks I

1778
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 3: think to trust them as a team right now, especially

1779
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 3: with the way last season ended. Forty percent of their

1780
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 3: starting lineup is mad at each other or I'm mad

1781
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 3: at the front office or the coach. I thought it

1782
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 3: was pretty curious that they didn't extend Cam Johnson after

1783
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: they basically gave Jay Crowder. Gave Cam Johnson Jay Crowder's

1784
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: starting spot, and they're going to allegedly be changing or

1785
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: trading Jay Crowder at some point. So just a lot

1786
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 3: of weird vibes, certainly for the Phoenix Suns. But even

1787
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 3: if they win ten less games, they're still a really,

1788
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 3: really good team. So I got him as a Conference

1789
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: finals flirt for sure.

1790
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, to feel great about it. I'm fine with that.

1791
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 4: I'm fine with it. There are a lot of odd

1792
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 4: things going behind the scenes. I don't think the Robert

1793
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 4: Server situation affects the team, but the way James Jones

1794
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 4: is running the front office, as you said, Trey, they're

1795
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 4: not extending guys. Jay Crowder says, give me the heck

1796
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 4: out here DeAndre eight, basically saying I wanted to leave.

1797
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 4: He doesn't seem quite happy at all. They just lost

1798
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 4: by fifty, so it's hard to get excited about this team.

1799
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 1: But then the counter is, okay, they win a ton

1800
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: of games. They have, you know, a great defensive wing

1801
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: guy that you can put on your collies and your

1802
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, at least to try and contain in

1803
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: mckill bridges like he's gonna be for the next ten years.

1804
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: He will be at least on the short list of like, oh,

1805
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. He'll be in the running.

1806
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: He may not win him, but whatever. Bookers like all

1807
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: NBA five and all NBA like lock like. I mean,

1808
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great cards, but the guy scores

1809
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: twenty five in a sleep, and then they have the

1810
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: two best like leaders in Chris Paul on the floor

1811
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: and then Monty Williams by all accounts as the head coach.

1812
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: So it's like they should they're like built to like

1813
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: whether this like turmoil or like a couple of guys

1814
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: that are a little disgruntled, right mm hmm. I'm just

1815
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: trying to counter what you're saying.

1816
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they just they just got destroyed by fifty points.

1817
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: If you if you're, if you're how do you get that?

1818
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: Is?

1819
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: You said rarefied Air as far as sixty four win team,

1820
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: that's rarefied air to lose by fifty at all.

1821
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: So they lose, say they lose Game seven by a

1822
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: buzzer beater and all of this other stuff still happens,

1823
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: and you're coming in with more confidence.

1824
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 4: Well, there's something got Look they should have built up

1825
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 4: to that point. There's something going on, and maybe it's

1826
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 4: all these things together. Maybe it's this team just breaking

1827
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 4: down eventually, like not seeing I I it's hard to say,

1828
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 4: but I don't see a sixty win if if everything,

1829
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 4: if everything is status quo from last year, if most

1830
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: of it going forward, you know, the big parts. As

1831
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 4: you said, you know, Paul Booker and Bridges and eight

1832
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 4: and they're still there.

1833
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1834
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 4: Why isn't this a sixty win team again? Yea, because

1835
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 4: something's going on.

1836
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: Okay, we got them in the right spot. I feel

1837
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: actually after talking it out, I like where we have them,

1838
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: and I think some people will still think it's too high.

1839
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, I think most people would probably throw them

1840
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: in the playoff lock category right now, but no expectations.

1841
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 3: It's probably better for the Suns right now. Moving on though,

1842
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 3: to the Portland Trail Blazers disappointing season last year, but

1843
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 3: that kind of became the point when Damian Lillard went

1844
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: down with an injury or the Portland Trailblazer's finished with

1845
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 3: twenty seven wins. Dame is coming back, Anthony Simon's had

1846
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: a great year. Jeremy Grant was their big addition, not

1847
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 3: to mention acquiring Josh Hart at the trade deadline. Skeets

1848
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 3: start us off, man, Now you're high in the lass.

1849
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've said it a couple times on some of

1850
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: these preview podcasts. On yesterday's Beach step In, my outlandish

1851
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: prediction was Blazers will be top six in the Western Conference.

1852
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: So I will make the case for a playoff lock,

1853
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: and I know we won't get there, and I think

1854
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: I can get you guys to at least agree on

1855
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 1: the plane. Oh yeah yeah, but you know some of

1856
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: those teams. I think there's a path, especially like an

1857
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: injury to Luka or something like that, where the Blazers

1858
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: could be better than a than a MAVs or a

1859
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: Pelican's Wolves. I'm convinced will be better than them, but

1860
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: like some of those teams. So that's my case for

1861
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: playoff lock. But look, it feels a lot more comfortable

1862
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: to put him in the play in spot and see

1863
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: what happens. Low expectations. Can they play any defense? Be here?

1864
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: Their goal should be the twentieth best defense in the league.

1865
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 3: I'm serious.

1866
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Pair that if you have that, probably with Lillard and

1867
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: Simon's and obviously Gary Payton second, who should help the

1868
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 1: defense when he's back, and Grant and Art and Nurk.

1869
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: Naming this is this.

1870
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: I think people are sleeping on this team, but they

1871
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: need to have respectable defense because they're dead last.

1872
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 3: Usually that's great.

1873
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: There you go.

1874
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 4: I'm excited case, I'm excited.

1875
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm playing. They'll be the eighth or ninth seed and

1876
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: probably lose.

1877
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 4: What can Chauncey Billups do as a coach? Yeah, that's

1878
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 4: an interesting interesting because he seems like a motivator and

1879
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 4: he seems like he loves you know, his neicier littles

1880
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 4: and those guys that are going to really help out

1881
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 4: that are going to make it a good defense DVD.

1882
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 4: I'm excited to watch it. Playing is my ceiling.

1883
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, people think the players are going to suck. I

1884
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: mean I see some people in the stream team here

1885
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: saying that. I've seen other people when they're doing all

1886
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: their rankings like they've got them near the bottom. I

1887
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: believe play in sounds good to me.

1888
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 3: Thirty six win team and a thirty four win team

1889
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: made the play in last season. I think you're going

1890
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 3: to need a few more wins than that this year,

1891
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 3: like probably thirty eight ish for the ten seed.

1892
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right.

1893
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: When Willard is healthy. The Blazers are at least a

1894
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 3: five hundred team, so they could win ten more games

1895
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: than they did last year still be under five hundred

1896
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 3: and still make the play in tournament. So I'm happy

1897
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: throwing them in there a team. I think they're going

1898
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 3: to be competing with. Yeah, for that tenth seed, the

1899
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 3: Sacramento Kings. I'm slotting them into the play in tournament,

1900
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: and I with their fans, I want to see him

1901
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 3: win forty games this year. If they don't even want

1902
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 3: forty one wins, just forty.

1903
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Forty exactly, get that magical forty. We're putting them in

1904
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: the play in I'm answering for you, okay, because they

1905
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: would like literally throw a parade in Sacramento if they

1906
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: just have one game in the play in and then

1907
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: they can say they made the playoffs. That'll be the debate. Yeah,

1908
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna be. I am excited about them,

1909
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: Like I'm higher on Fox the most, but you know,

1910
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Fox and Sabonis and obviously some shooting now on that team,

1911
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think Mike Brown does give them a little

1912
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: bit more of a defensive identity of what he's going

1913
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: to try to implement. Now, do you have the pieces

1914
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: to do it? That's the real cue. But I'm all

1915
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: in on their preseason. They got the bell in practice,

1916
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: you see that, So they're ringing this thing when someone

1917
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: takes a charge and all that. Just like them, there's

1918
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: like a lightness to them that feels like it hasn't

1919
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: been there a lot of preseasons and camps prior. And

1920
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,440
Speaker 1: I think Mike Brown's a big part of that. And

1921
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe some hope so and Keith and Murray could win

1922
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year too.

1923
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 4: So how can you not have a lightness with that

1924
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 4: Mike Brown smile bringstyle like to practice every day? Will

1925
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 4: he turned that smile into some sternness and get them

1926
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 4: to play a little d that's the question. As you

1927
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 4: said about the Blazers, this team has stunk. Just to

1928
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 4: go back to the sixteen year playoff drought that they've

1929
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 4: gone through. Their defensive ranking through those sixteen years. Again,

1930
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 4: this is out of twenty team, out of thirty teams,

1931
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 4: they've been twenty seventh, thirtieth, nineteenth. That was the high

1932
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 4: water mark, twenty first, twenty seventh, twenty sixth, twenty second,

1933
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 4: twenty seven to twenty third, twenty ninth, twenty ninth, twentieth,

1934
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 4: that was a good year, twenty third, thirtieth, twenty fifth

1935
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 4: and twenty seconds.

1936
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: So never even been averaged.

1937
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So that's the thing. In a tough West,

1938
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 4: they're over under his thirty four and a half.

1939
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: Oh, I hit the over.

1940
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 4: Hit the over.

1941
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Everybody's hitting the over. Does that mean they're even in

1942
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: the play key? No, No, but hit the over? All right,

1943
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna disappoint us.

1944
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 3: All yeah, Just don't even look at their centers. You

1945
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 3: don't want to know. You don't want to know who

1946
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: their centers are. If we're talking about actually trying to

1947
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 3: make a good defense. But for me, a good defense

1948
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: for the Kings would be higher than twenty fifth. I

1949
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 3: guess they're twenty fourth or twenty one Austin's season. Seeing

1950
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 3: the play in tournament, I like what Sam Amock said.

1951
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 3: If they get a game in the Golden One Center,

1952
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 3: it's going to be an even crazier atmosphere than the

1953
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 3: Timberwolves had last year for their game with Patrick Beverley

1954
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 3: jumping on the table and so oh yeah, oh my goodness,

1955
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 3: So hopefully that happens. Think we got another Area fifty

1956
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 3: one team on our hands, and being quite honest, probably

1957
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: two of them coming up here. San Antonio Spurs worst

1958
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 3: team in the league, perhaps absolutely, you believe.

1959
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: I think the Jazz or the Pacers could have a

1960
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 1: worse record, but they're going to be one of the

1961
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: worst teams of San Antonio Spurs. So yeah, they're going

1962
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: easily into Area fifty one.

1963
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, can't get it, can't get too enthralled. I know

1964
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, the so tran draft

1965
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 4: pick and guys you can kind of get excited about.

1966
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 4: But you know, yeah, they should be and they are.

1967
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 4: They traded de Jontay Murray, their best player for this reason.

1968
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 4: They want to get bad.

1969
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: This will probably be the least talked about team during

1970
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: the NBA season because because the Jazz still have the

1971
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: hole they could move conly, the Pacers obviously have Turner

1972
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: and Heeled, so there's there at least in the news

1973
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: until the deadline of like what they could do.

1974
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 3: Come on, Yaka Perley, get the surprise, no surprise. Fred

1975
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Katz brought up Yaka Purtle former Toronto Raptor as a

1976
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 3: trade target on the Athletic NBA show. Who for Who

1977
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: it's probably trading them back to the Raptors. Yeah great,

1978
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 3: I just said he said this is a guy who

1979
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 3: should be traded because he's a great rim protector.

1980
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

1981
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 3: Josh Richardson also a trade target, I would say, And

1982
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 3: the other questions like is Josh Primo good? Can Zack

1983
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 3: Collins get it back? And is Calvin Johnson the new

1984
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Aaron Oflala? That's all I know.

1985
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 4: About this Johnson.

1986
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, has everybody made a rap song about Kelvin Johnson?

1987
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: Let us know down below our final team in the NBA,

1988
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz. They won forty nine games last year.

1989
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 3: You think they get back to that level this year?

1990
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: No? Okay, well they get to will they get to

1991
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: could they lose? Wow? Could they lose thirty less games?

1992
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: That's like they win nineteen games? I mean, yeah, it's possible.

1993
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: It's going to be around there. Wow, that's what's the

1994
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: biggest drop off in NBA history. That's a good question.

1995
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they would be happy.

1996
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: I think if their record switched from forty nine and

1997
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 3: thirty three to thirty three and forty nine, that would

1998
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 3: be a surprisingly good season.

1999
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have that. I don't

2000
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: know that many games there are area fifty.

2001
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of trade targets on this team, with

2002
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of oldies, a lot of classics,

2003
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 4: and Conley and Gay and Clarkson. Potentially that's where they'll

2004
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 4: end up in the storylines here in the NBA circuit.

2005
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 4: They and they want to be and you got to

2006
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 4: be trading with steely Danny Ainge. If you want to

2007
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 4: make a deal with this team, they're gonna be bad.

2008
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 4: They're gonna be bad.

2009
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I want to see what happens when the Spurs play

2010
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: the Jazz. Those are games to circle. Who starting, you know,

2011
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: see who's getting the minutes, See what they're running or

2012
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: not running, Like who's really trying to like no, no

2013
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: you take it. No, no you take it, No, no

2014
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: you take it. We'll see. But they are in area

2015
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: fifty one. There it is.

2016
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 3: There's our tears.

2017
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 1: You want to go through them for the podcast listeners.

2018
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go through these. In our Championship Contenders Tier

2019
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 3: NBA Finals tier, we have six teams. There aren't going

2020
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: to be six teams making the NBA Finals, but here

2021
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 3: are the six teams I would say we think could

2022
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 3: win the NBA championship heading end of the year. Boston Celtics,

2023
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks, Philadelphia seventy six Ers, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors,

2024
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 3: and the LA Clippers. Yeah, that's our top tier. I

2025
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 3: think that's fine.

2026
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm really happy with that. I'm interested to see,

2027
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: are we going to have another NBA finals that have

2028
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: two new teams that haven't been there over the last

2029
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: couple of seasons. You know, we're on three finals running

2030
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: where it's been two unique teams you know in the

2031
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: in the finals there, you know what I mean? Like,

2032
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: no no repeats? Is what the repeat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

2033
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I haven't had a repeat? Like the Warriors are the

2034
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: last Like they're there last year of course and win it.

2035
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 1: The last time they were there was nineteen.

2036
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 3: Okay, So would you like if the Bucks make the finals,

2037
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 3: that's not a repeat?

2038
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: No, I would count them in this like thing. So

2039
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at like, imagine we get a nugget

2040
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: sixers to for the last four years anyway? Are those

2041
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: six teams?

2042
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 3: Those are our six title contenders knocking on the door

2043
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 3: of contention? I think that's what Zach Harper called it

2044
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 3: in his power rankings. The next best teams we got

2045
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 3: the Miami Heat.

2046
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,839
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, wow is that a that's a graphic

2047
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:14,879
Speaker 1: made on the fly.

2048
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,440
Speaker 3: That looks too good? Actually looks incredible?

2049
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 4: WHOA?

2050
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 3: Who did that? Only time?

2051
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 4: All right?

2052
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 3: So our final floor four flirts teams that could likely

2053
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: make the conference finals. Up, everything goes well? The Miami

2054
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 3: Heat one seed last year, Phoenix Suns one seed last year,

2055
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 3: and the Memphis Grizzlies as well, the two seed in

2056
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 3: the Western Conference last year.

2057
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw some pushback with our ranking of the

2058
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Memphis Grizzlies there too high or too low, too high,

2059
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: I think some people think in comparison to other teams, Right,

2060
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: that's probably true. But wait, look we did it, so

2061
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy.

2062
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 3: With Yeah, we did it, so deal with it. Up

2063
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 3: next our playoff locked teams, teams that are going to

2064
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 3: be sixth seed or higher. So I kind of honestly

2065
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 3: like five or six is what it breaks down to.

2066
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 3: But we got the Atlanta Hawks, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Toronto

2067
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 3: Raptors in the Eastern Conference, the Dallas Mavericks, Minnesota Timberwolves,

2068
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 3: and New Orleans Pelicans in the Western Conference. I think

2069
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 3: that's nice because Hawks, Cavs, Raptors seem very much on

2070
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 3: the same level to me, do Mavericks, Timberwolves, Pelicans.

2071
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2072
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say those six teams, it's like, you

2073
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: know what, They're all gonna have the same record very.

2074
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 3: Well, could be like through fifty wins for all of

2075
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 3: those teams.

2076
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good little, good little tier there. Tasks.

2077
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: M M, good little tier there. Here's a nice there's

2078
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 3: a nice little tier there for you. The play in Tournament.

2079
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 3: The uh, this is the big money makers in the NBA,

2080
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 3: all in the play in Tournament. The Brooklyn Nets, Chicago Bulls,

2081
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 3: New York Knicks, Washington Wizards, Los Angeles Lakers, Portland Trail Blazers,

2082
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 3: and Sacramento Kings.

2083
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2084
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 3: Maybe we're sickos for putting the Trail Blazers and the

2085
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 3: Kings in there.

2086
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 1: I don't think thats good to me. Yeah, that's that's

2087
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 1: their ambition. I mean, well, I think the Blazers probably

2088
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: want to go higher than that, but the Kings, Yeah,

2089
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 1: that's that's the goal.

2090
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 3: Yep, definitely it is. And finally, Area fifty one trying

2091
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: to find out as much as they can about aliens

2092
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 3: and hoping you don't know that much about their season.

2093
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 3: The Charlotte Hornets, Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Orlando Magic, Houston Rockets,

2094
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 3: Oka See Thunder, San Antonio Spurs, and Utah Jets.

2095
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 4: It's just nice how they're still alphabetical through all this.

2096
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 4: That is nice. Actually, that is nice.

2097
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: I take that back where'd I botch it?

2098
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's not you. The Denver Nuggets actually, you

2099
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 4: know they're fourth on the or you were just talking

2100
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 4: about the area fifty one. What are you talking about, Well,

2101
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 4: I'm saying the city names.

2102
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Well we did the Eastern Conference first.

2103
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. They are, but now

2104
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 4: you look at it, they're all not out.

2105
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh geez.

2106
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 4: Whatever. Anyways, it was fun.

2107
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: We had fun, all right, Well, disagree, agree, let us

2108
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: know in the stream team you guys have been doing

2109
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: it throughout this show. We appreciate that. Maybe you're listening later,

2110
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: tweet out us at no dunk think or get in

2111
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: the YouTube comments and at least pick a team or

2112
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: two where you're like, no, no, no, no, wrong tier,

2113
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: my man, they should be higher or lower. We got

2114
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: to take a break to her. Yeah, this is a

2115
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: long podcast. I hope you are enjoying this. Take a break,

2116
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap this baby up with some quick

2117
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 1: looks at the extensions and some jerseys don't go anywhere. Okay,

2118
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 1: we've done the tiers. Let's get to some extensions. We

2119
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: had three more players signed rookie scale contract extensions right

2120
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: before Monday six pm Eastern deadline. I'll give them to

2121
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 1: you all and you can comment. Comment on all of

2122
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: them or none of them if you want. The Rockets

2123
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: rewarded Kevin Porter Junior's development with a four year eighty

2124
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: two point five million dollar extension, but only the first

2125
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Speaker 1: season is fully guarantee. A little interesting. The Blazers and

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Speaker 1: small forward this yere Little, they agreed to a four year,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight million dollar contract extension. He played pretty well

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Speaker 1: for them at the end of last season, but then

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Speaker 1: he had shows. Sorry, he played well before the shoulder

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Speaker 1: surgery which took him out there in early February about

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Speaker 1: ten and six for New year, Little if you have

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Speaker 1: no idea who that is. And then finally the Hawks

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Speaker 1: and Ford DeAndre Hunter agreed to a contract extension right

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Speaker 1: before the deadline. Four your deal ninety million dollars guaranteed

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Speaker 1: with about five million in incentives. So four to ninety

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Speaker 1: five for DeAndre Hunter. We had a record tying eleven

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Speaker 1: extensions for the class of twenty nineteen. The draftees there

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Speaker 1: saw Mark Stein tweeting that thoughts on any of those

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Speaker 1: in Porter Junior, in Little or Hunter.

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Speaker 4: I want DeAndre Hunter's agent. They've done well here to

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Speaker 4: get him the contract. This is a contract for his potential,

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Speaker 4: which is great. I love his fit on this team.

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Speaker 4: Can you stay on the floor. It's always the biggest

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Speaker 4: question with him. So I say it's about potential, but

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Speaker 4: also just overall. You said eleven extensions. I think those

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Speaker 4: numbers and then the money being thrown at these guys

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Speaker 4: is about the salary cat being raised and people feeling

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Speaker 4: that you know, these numbers won't be as high in

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Speaker 4: a few years from now. It's not quite twenty sixteen

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Speaker 4: when everybody got paid, and then there was the salary

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Speaker 4: cap spike, the nickel of the two monster your kent

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Speaker 4: BEA's more bigie. It's not quite that Timothany Moles got

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Speaker 4: four for sixty four. But there's everybody is getting paid

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Speaker 4: and the numbers all look reasonable. That one kind of

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Speaker 4: stands out as the DeAndre Hunter is a big number,

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Speaker 4: even though we're all DeAndre Hunter lovers here in the A.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about loving DeAndre Hunter specifically or

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Speaker 3: about any of these extensions?

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Speaker 4: Little uh.

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Speaker 3: The biggest question, the most interesting to me was Kevin

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Speaker 3: Porter Junior, because like you're sand Skates, it's only guaranteed

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Speaker 3: for the first year and the Rockets basically have outs

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Speaker 3: after every single or after every single one of the

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Speaker 3: contract years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a wild it's a while.

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Speaker 3: It's very strange because of these guys, Little Hunter and

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Speaker 3: Kevin Porter Junior KPJ seems to have like the biggest

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Speaker 3: role on his team with the Rockets. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: know that that will be the case going forward as

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Speaker 3: Jalen Green assumes more responsibility, but right now he definitely does.

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Speaker 3: He's the most important player of those three, certainly, but

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01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 3: he's had a lot of off court issues. There was

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Speaker 3: the thing where he was throwing something at John Lucas

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Speaker 3: in the locker room last year. So it's kind of

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Speaker 3: interesting to me that they are willing to go so

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Speaker 3: much to give him a contract extension. But they're also like,

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Speaker 3: we don't necessarily know that we can trust him, but

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Speaker 3: we hope we can. And everything seems to be going

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Speaker 3: well with the Rockets and Kevin Porter Junior. Stephen Silas

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Speaker 3: was very happy he was signing the deal. KPJ says

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Speaker 3: they saved his life. Hopefully he has matured a little

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Speaker 3: bit and gets to the end of this contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. The Hunter one did catch me by surprise.

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Speaker 1: I think it was happening right before the deadline because

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Speaker 1: he didn't think they were going to come to an agreement.

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Speaker 1: And then the four ninety five for a guy that

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Speaker 1: struggled to stay on the floor and as we've said,

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Speaker 1: has great games disappears, great game disappears.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was, he was.

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Speaker 1: But all these deals outside of like these eleven extensions,

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Speaker 1: outside of Jah Morant, honestly, maybe Garland, those two guys

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Speaker 1: getting MAX extensions, Uh, those guys have maybe proven, like

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Speaker 1: without a shadow of doubt that they're worth that money. Right,

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01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: everybody else, it's like it's all potential. And I'm including

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Speaker 1: Zion Williams and because he just doesn't really played, that's

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Speaker 1: a no brainer. But it's because of that r J. Barrett,

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01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: Hero Clark, Little Pool Johnson and now Porter Junior. Those

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Speaker 1: are your eleven names when you include Hunter. So it

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Speaker 1: is about, hey, we we believe in you because of

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01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 1: your age, and we want to lock you up and

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01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 1: the salar CAP's going to spike, so go and do

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Speaker 1: it now. But I mean some of these were good.

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01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 1: Some of these are going to look they're going to

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01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: age probably poorly. One or two of these guys, isn't

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01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: going to hit that would be worth it, right, That's

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01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 1: just usually how it goes. But got to lock up

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01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: your talent when you when you got them and if

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01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: you believe in them. We have better photos of the

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Speaker 1: Boston Celtics new City Edition jerseys dedicated to honoring the

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Speaker 1: life and legacy of the late Bill Russell. Few photos

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Speaker 1: for you here, Yes, much better photos than that Marcus

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01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 1: Smart screen grab we had from that weird video from

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01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: a Dick's Sporting Goods. It was like, what are these?

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Speaker 1: You guys already sort of teased it earlier. You like

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Speaker 1: these when we see them in the in the real

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01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: official photos. They're gonna wear these eleven times eleven times

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Speaker 1: good number.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's special. The green great choice.

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Speaker 1: Dark green.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's dark. It's dark. It's not the bold green,

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Speaker 4: you know, the brighter green. I guess you'd call it

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01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 4: that the Celtics usually wear. I'm loving it. I'm loving

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Speaker 4: the panels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got eleven gold diamond icons that run down

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Speaker 1: the jersey and shorts on each side to signify the

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Speaker 1: number of NBA titles Russell one with the team. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: Buil did a lot of things in his life, and

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Speaker 4: he also was a designer of jerseys he helped that.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kicking ass, even in the grave, kicking ass. Bill.

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Speaker 4: Those Yeah, I like them. I like them a lot.

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Speaker 4: What do you say, Trey.

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Speaker 3: I still don't like black and green together, but they

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01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 3: look better than the screen cap we had. And I

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Speaker 3: think having a Bill Russell jersey after he just passed

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01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:12,919
Speaker 3: away is really awesome for the Celtics.

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Speaker 1: The wordmark there on the front of the jersey, it's

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Speaker 1: written in a script inspired by Slades, Bar and Grill,

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Speaker 1: which was the historic Boston restaurant that Bill Russell owned

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Speaker 1: in the late sixties.

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Speaker 4: Too.

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01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: Saw people like showing the the you know, the sign

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01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: outside the restaurant, and it's sort of similar to the

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01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 1: Celtics font there.

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01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 4: Cool. They thought of everything.

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01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: They really did. They really did. Nice basketball returns tonight,

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01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, Season six ers Celtics seven to thirty

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern on TNT and the Lakers Warriors at ten.

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Speaker 1: Got the ring ceremony. We got a busy, busy day here.

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01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: We went really long today. I had a lot of

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01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 1: fun with the tears coming up at two PM Eastern.

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01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: We basically had a rain delay with this. Yeah, with

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Speaker 1: this podcast, it was gonna go one. It's been pushed

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Speaker 1: to two.

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Speaker 3: No bunts.

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01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a haircut booked in between, not because

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01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 4: I needed to do more work on the show, but

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Speaker 4: I hear okay, haircut.

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Speaker 1: Coming up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna happen. We'll see

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Speaker 4: TBD TVD. Yeah, we're live streaming from the Salona.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so no bunks in theory.

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01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 4: It's yeah too, that's happening.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Later in the afternoon, around three forty five pm Eastern,

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01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,879
Speaker 1: a few of us are gonna jump on the Athletic

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Speaker 1: NBA Show Opening Day Extravaganza. Join all the athletic writers pictures. Yeah,

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01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 1: well I'll play basketball. He's throwing deuces up there for

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01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 1: his two MVP wins. So yeah, we'll be jumping on

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01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: that three forty five pm Eastern, and then before the

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01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: six or Celtics game tonight six forty five or so

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01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 1: on YouTube here on the nodeks YouTube feed, we're gonna

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01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: do a little pregame stream where we uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do. Just talk to the people,

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01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 1: get get excited, about basketball starting.

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Speaker 4: Just get hype.

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01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 1: Look at Tasa's new haircut.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's gonna happen for sure. Also on the buns,

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01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 4: here a haircut. We'll be ready for the buns.

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01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I thought you might wear a hat space.

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01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 4: That's a good call. No, I gotta go pick up

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01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 4: my guests as well. I always show for my guests. Yeah,

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01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 4: so he's gotta I gotta get him here, okay, or

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Speaker 4: he made just a peer via video TVD love things.

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Speaker 1: It's a busy day from the Classic Factory. So we're

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01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: excited for all these shows coming later today and all

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01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: these streams that we'll be jumping on. Hit the like button,

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Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 3: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, and remember Spurs draft pick the

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01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 4: Jeremy so Han's name is pronounced so hand. I did

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01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 4: say so Chin. Yeah it's a Polish American name. I

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01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 4: knew I said it wrong when I said it, and

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01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,600
Speaker 4: you guys are great in the stream team corrected me.

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Speaker 4: I went and looked it up. That's the last time.

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Speaker 4: We're going to say it this seasonangk out shutting it. Well,

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Speaker 4: what an ad, but it might be right. Brace the Day, people,

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