WEBVTT - Danny Pintauro Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna take a page out of the book

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<v Speaker 1>of one mister writers drawn, which means it is a

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<v Speaker 1>page having, of course, to do with words.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Great.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh he's so excited. I've never I can feel writer's

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<v Speaker 4>energy through this. Look he's he's looks forward, he's restructuring

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<v Speaker 4>himself in his seat. He looks like he looks like

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<v Speaker 4>when I look like when I'm about ready to eat

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<v Speaker 4>a donut.

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<v Speaker 1>You do a little donut little donut shake, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>coming down off of meth. Okay, so we all know antonyms,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know synonyms, but you know contray Oh no, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So a contronym are words that have opposite or nearly

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<v Speaker 1>opposite meanings depending on context.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, for instance, here's a list of some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like cleave can mean split apart or cling together tightly.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, you cleave to something or you cleave something. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's so.

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<v Speaker 1>These are contronyms, which is, the word itself can literally

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<v Speaker 1>mean the opposite of itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Depending on how it's used.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is some of these also arrive over time.

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<v Speaker 5>Arise over time because like nonplus now means the opposite

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<v Speaker 5>of what it was originally intended to mean right and

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<v Speaker 5>like yeah because of the misusage, so people just say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>give me some more.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's something.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 6>Sanction can mean to allow or to penalize, Yeah, right

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<v Speaker 6>right yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Dust to add particles or to take it or to remove,

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<v Speaker 1>the weather can wear away or endure. Yeah, resign, to quit,

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<v Speaker 1>or to commit to.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, I've resigned. I'sgsigned to.

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<v Speaker 5>This is my life. Yeah, that's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>My fast can be moving quickly or firmly secured right

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<v Speaker 1>right fast. Oversight is a careless error or supervision.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, these are so fun.

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<v Speaker 6>Screen this is the last one I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, screen is to show like a film or too obscure.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Antonym synonym, contronyms.

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<v Speaker 5>And he asked me the other day, He's like, what's

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<v Speaker 5>I thought? He asked me what's a synonym for cemon cinnamon?

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, spice.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I was trying to think, you like, not synamon synonym.

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<v Speaker 5>So he was saying, what's the and I was like, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 5>now my brain just melts it, dude, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I said, alternate, you know, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 5>come up with synonyms for synonym. But then I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I thought he was just being clever about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Simon what it would be a synonym for synonym. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't imagine that. That is so funny, Tim. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that and I was like, oh, writer, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>have a I was going to love this. What a

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<v Speaker 2>word that literally means?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the idea of the English language that flammable

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<v Speaker 1>and inflammable mean the same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Is insane to me. How does anyone learn our language?

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<v Speaker 6>I know, absurd when you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of English, it's absurd to think of one little

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<v Speaker 1>thing and it actually means you're gonna die.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait what Adler just recently was like reading something and

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<v Speaker 4>he goes, hey, why is too spelled wrong? And I

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<v Speaker 4>said what do you mean? And he said it says

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<v Speaker 4>t oo And I was like, oh, that is two

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<v Speaker 4>as in also and he goes, oh, so that other

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<v Speaker 4>two is just t o And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>unless you're talking about the.

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<v Speaker 6>Number two, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, I'm like, I'm sorry, you're really learning to

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<v Speaker 4>read and we're picking some of the hardest ones.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry, that's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>It is, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, all these little changes can it's yeah, it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Righter.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong, and I'm Will Fordell.

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<v Speaker 1>What a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>People don't know about the podcast is that very early

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<v Speaker 4>in the process we made a pact with each other

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<v Speaker 4>that while recording, we would never censor ourselves in the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that we would deal with whatever we wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>cut in the edit. That way, we wouldn't find ourselves

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<v Speaker 4>holding back or fearful of where a comment could take us.

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<v Speaker 4>We would just let the process guide each episode, and hilariously,

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<v Speaker 4>in the end, minus some totally insane tangents, we mostly

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<v Speaker 4>find ourselves keeping everything in. And that's because since day

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<v Speaker 4>one we've tried our hardest to let honesty lead the

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<v Speaker 4>way we'd lean into the good and the bad that

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<v Speaker 4>came with what is hands down the strangest job a

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<v Speaker 4>kid could have, and that's why we appreciate this week's

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<v Speaker 4>guest and his recent journey to inform and destigmatize the

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<v Speaker 4>real journey of an actor. At just seven years old,

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<v Speaker 4>he made his Hollywood debut as an original Paul Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>on the legendary soap opera As the World Turns, a

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<v Speaker 4>role played by a total of nine actors over thirty years,

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<v Speaker 4>but his first big break was in the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 4>three Stephen King horror movie Kujoe, when he played Tad,

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<v Speaker 4>the young son who convinces his family to adopt the

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<v Speaker 4>once friendly and easygoing Saint Bernard, who becomes rabid when

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<v Speaker 4>bit by a cave bat. But we all know him

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<v Speaker 4>best as Jonathan Bauer on the Emmy and Golden Globe

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<v Speaker 4>winning sitcom Who's the Boss, alongside Tony Danza, Alissa Milano,

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<v Speaker 4>and Judith Light who played his mother for eight seasons,

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and ninety six episodes, and endless years of syndication.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet no matter how iconic a show is or how

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<v Speaker 4>recognizable a cast becomes, once the spotlight dims, not everything

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<v Speaker 4>is promised to fall into place. The calls slowed down,

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<v Speaker 4>and he'd try to focus on stage acting, a trade

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<v Speaker 4>he learned at Stanford when he took time off in

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties to focus on his education. But when the

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<v Speaker 4>on screen worked completely dried up, he'd pivot to jobs

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<v Speaker 4>like tupperware sales rep, restaurant manager, or vet technician to

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<v Speaker 4>pay the bills. But in twenty twenty two, the itch

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<v Speaker 4>came back and he'd return to Hollywood to start over

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<v Speaker 4>in the industry he excelled in as a child, and

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<v Speaker 4>after courageously conquering the demons he accumulated during the struggle,

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<v Speaker 4>he finds himself back in the hustle now as an

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<v Speaker 4>adult and exhibiting the same type of honesty we hope

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<v Speaker 4>to bring to podmeats World every week, whether it's posting

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<v Speaker 4>pictures of himself as an Amazon Flex driver or sharing

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<v Speaker 4>the quote unquote residuals that come from a year old

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<v Speaker 4>TV show, He's been open and vulnerable for all to see.

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<v Speaker 4>And so this week we are happy to welcome to

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<v Speaker 4>podmeats World a brother in honesty, Danny Pintaro. Huh Hello,

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<v Speaker 4>We Hey, Danny, Danny, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think any of us have met before, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's still so strange to feel like we have because

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<v Speaker 4>we all have this very, you know, rare commonality of

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<v Speaker 4>shared history of child actorhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think part of it is that we're a little

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<v Speaker 7>bit off in terms of the timeline, and I had

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<v Speaker 7>already pretty much sort of left the business quote unquote

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<v Speaker 7>by the time y'all were working. So that's probably the

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<v Speaker 7>biggest reason that we haven't connected for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you weren't always in Hollywood as a kid. You

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<v Speaker 4>were born in New Jersey and your parents had jobs

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<v Speaker 4>far from the business. Yes, do you remember their reaction

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<v Speaker 4>when you started showing an interest in acting.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's actually the opposite. I didn't show an interest

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<v Speaker 7>in acting. The story is officially that my mom was

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<v Speaker 7>a hairdresser. She worked in New Jersey. We're about an

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<v Speaker 7>hour outside of Manhattan. And it's just you all know

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<v Speaker 7>the feeling like if you live in the valley here

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<v Speaker 7>in LA and you have a cute kid, everybody says, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>you've got to get him into the business, right. So

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<v Speaker 7>she had some pictures of me on her mirror and

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<v Speaker 7>everybody was like, he's so cute, He's so cute. So finally,

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<v Speaker 7>to shut them up, she sent one Polari picture to

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<v Speaker 7>a talent agency in New York and they called her

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<v Speaker 7>three days later with a modeling job for me. Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>and and and and I mean literally it never stopped.

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<v Speaker 7>I literally everything I auditioned for. I got every every commercial,

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<v Speaker 7>every modeling job. I was on a soap opera starting

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<v Speaker 7>at the age of two. I did that for four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm sorry the picture the polaroid that she said,

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<v Speaker 1>how old were you in the polaroid?

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<v Speaker 7>I was too. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it definitely wasn't something I was like, Mom, let's

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<v Speaker 7>do this. It was oh, crap, we have to do this.

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<v Speaker 7>And it was always very She was always really good

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<v Speaker 7>about saying, look, if you don't feel like doing it,

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<v Speaker 7>if you don't want to do this anymore, it's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was always game because you know, I was

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<v Speaker 7>really young, which man, I got lots of toys and

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<v Speaker 7>presents and food whenever I did a good job or

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<v Speaker 7>had a good audition. The attention that you're getting as

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<v Speaker 7>a child, especially that young. But honestly, for me, the

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<v Speaker 7>thing I always say is it really feels like the

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<v Speaker 7>universe was at play. There's there's It's one thing to

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<v Speaker 7>be a cute kid to do some commercials. It's another

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<v Speaker 7>thing to be a three, four, five six year old

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<v Speaker 7>doing a soap opera.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He played Paul Ryan, right, originally Paul Stenback.

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<v Speaker 7>I was Paul stend Back and then at some point

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<v Speaker 7>he became Paul Ryan. Okay, but yeah, so like you

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<v Speaker 7>can't teach a three year old how to there's this

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<v Speaker 7>one scene that I remember, it was a uh we

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<v Speaker 7>were locked in the closet of my mother's house. Barbara

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<v Speaker 7>Barbara Ryan was her character, Colleen Zank the actress is amazing,

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<v Speaker 7>and they set the set on fire, like set it

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<v Speaker 7>on fire. I mean how they did it, I still

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, but I was so fascinated. Anyway, She and

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<v Speaker 7>I go screaming and crying through the living room that

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<v Speaker 7>is on fire, you know, and I was like, cool,

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<v Speaker 7>are we gonna do it again? You know, how do

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<v Speaker 7>you teach You can't teach a four year old to

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<v Speaker 7>be capable of having that sort of insight, right, So

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<v Speaker 7>especially with Kujo, Like I mean, people, everyone thinks that

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<v Speaker 7>I am permanently scarred for life with dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and that movie was pretty scaring.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, yeah, so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Man. It still lives up to this day, which is

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<v Speaker 7>the thing I really love about it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 7>everyone thinks I'm scarred, and I think it's a it's

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<v Speaker 7>a testament to my ability or my performs that they

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<v Speaker 7>think that I'm scarred for life because it's just so real.

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<v Speaker 7>And even on set every day every take, D Wallace

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<v Speaker 7>would say, you know, this isn't real we're okay. Are

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<v Speaker 7>you okay? Do you need anything? And I swear to

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<v Speaker 7>you my answer would always be I'm good. Are they

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<v Speaker 7>moving the camera?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 7>What are we doing next? At the age of six, like,

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<v Speaker 7>how do you There's more going on to it, right,

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<v Speaker 7>I just I don't know how to explain it.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have memories from being on the as the

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<v Speaker 4>world turns set? Or do you even like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>when do you have your first what's your first memories?

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<v Speaker 6>Ask the same question.

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<v Speaker 7>It's so hard to I mean a lot of my

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<v Speaker 7>memories are pictures from the time right because we create

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<v Speaker 7>those in post right.

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<v Speaker 5>Column.

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<v Speaker 7>The memories that I have that are really strong are

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<v Speaker 7>the fire like things that just really stand out for Kujo.

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<v Speaker 7>The one of the few things I remember is they

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<v Speaker 7>cut the the pinto in half so they could get

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<v Speaker 7>the camera into the engine area with the thing, So

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<v Speaker 7>I just have this vivid image of this like car

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<v Speaker 7>that's cut up and the one scene there's a scene

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<v Speaker 7>where the camera spins around in the ceiling of the

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<v Speaker 7>car and I remember that. But it's mostly visuals of

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<v Speaker 7>like see the scenic stuff. I I guess a fascination

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<v Speaker 7>for the sets, but yeah, memory is hard. Right. I

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<v Speaker 7>think we all have memory things, yes, actors, especially the younger.

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<v Speaker 7>The younger you started, the worse your current memory issues are.

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<v Speaker 5>Like what you focus on like as a kid is

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<v Speaker 5>so different, because, like you were saying, the craft service

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<v Speaker 5>was such a big deal to me.

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<v Speaker 6>Like my mom never let me have sugary stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you got to a craft service and its

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<v Speaker 5>red vines, I was like, they just leave these out

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<v Speaker 5>for we don't pay for this, And it was like, yet,

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<v Speaker 5>that's that's the least important part of a set when

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<v Speaker 5>you're a kid, And it's like it's so funny because

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I'm an eleven year old now, and like

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<v Speaker 5>he cares about food wherever we go, like that's what

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<v Speaker 5>they remember. It's like, oh, we got ice cream.

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<v Speaker 7>I was so precocious that I loved King crab legs

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<v Speaker 7>and escargo.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't get me. Sorry what I meant though, on the

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<v Speaker 7>memory thing, I'm actually curious to see if any of

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<v Speaker 7>you have this. I have this theory, this working theory.

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<v Speaker 7>My current long term memory is horrible, and I've always

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<v Speaker 7>felt that because I was so young when my brain

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<v Speaker 7>was developing and I was focused on short term memory.

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<v Speaker 7>Things like memorizing lines. I'm wondering if my actual sort

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<v Speaker 7>of long term memory area of the brain is a

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<v Speaker 7>little underdeveloped, because my husband will tell you I cannot

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<v Speaker 7>remember last week to save my life, maybe through Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 7>But I don't know. Do y'all feel that that's like

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<v Speaker 7>a possibility.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I do feel like it's a muscle, like

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<v Speaker 5>memory is a muscle that you work. And I just

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<v Speaker 5>know that, like memorizing, because I've been acting for years

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<v Speaker 5>and when I try and memorize now, it's difficult, whereas

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<v Speaker 5>when we're on boy Me's World, not a problem. No,

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<v Speaker 5>And I feel like it's something that when you start

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<v Speaker 5>doing it, because my wife is still acting and she'll

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<v Speaker 5>go through like a year of not working, but then

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<v Speaker 5>she'll be working, be hard, and then the next time

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<v Speaker 5>it's easy again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like you just have to work on it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't know. Yeah, I definitely think it's a

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't know if I notice a difference between

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<v Speaker 5>long term and short term. It's just whether I'm working

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<v Speaker 5>on either one or not.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you're lucky. I yeah, maybe it's just genetics.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have great long term memory either, But have

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<v Speaker 4>you tried anything like keeping a journal and then and

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<v Speaker 4>then going back and reading things and then seeing if

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<v Speaker 4>you can actually like, yes, I do remember that conversation

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<v Speaker 4>I had.

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<v Speaker 7>Wouldn't that be nice if I could actually keep myself

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<v Speaker 7>in check to actually do that every day? Saying that

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<v Speaker 7>for years and I still haven't done it. So I'm screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I'm gonna I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting to write in your memory journal, that's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>the best comment.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, let's start there. I can't even remember

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<v Speaker 7>to do that.

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<v Speaker 6>But no, it's true. I mean we did. We did

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<v Speaker 6>a live show in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Rider and I had to do just a small

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<v Speaker 1>scene together and it was what ten lines each maybe

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, and we had to go.

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<v Speaker 6>Over it like twenty five times. Where's back in the day?

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<v Speaker 5>You and I would literally do it once and the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I read it with my wife, I ran it

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<v Speaker 1>with Rider. I ran it was just like, let's I

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<v Speaker 1>need to need I had to work at it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's so funny. Okay, So your dad he worked

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<v Speaker 4>on a lumber yard, right, yeah, okay, so he worked

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<v Speaker 4>in a lumber store and your mom was a hairdresser who,

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<v Speaker 4>on a lark decides to send your picture in And

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<v Speaker 4>you now are consistently booking jobs. You've already now been

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<v Speaker 4>on a bunch of commercials, modeling jobs, You've done a

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<v Speaker 4>for years, You've done a soap opera, You've done a

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<v Speaker 4>massive movie like Kujoe. Are your parents freaking out? How

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<v Speaker 4>do they just all of a sudden now is there

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<v Speaker 4>full time job on set with you? How are they

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<v Speaker 4>responding to this sort of immediate career you have.

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<v Speaker 7>So the thing about it is that the money wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>particularly great until that point. It was useful and it

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<v Speaker 7>was important, but Dad still worked, so it was mom

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<v Speaker 7>who was taking me to New York every day or

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<v Speaker 7>whenever I needed to go. And at that point Kujo

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<v Speaker 7>was a big deal, But it's more of a hindsight

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<v Speaker 7>big deal than it was then. They weren't actually sure

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<v Speaker 7>how successful it would be, horror the whole thing. It

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<v Speaker 7>just didn't feel like we had a blockbuster on our hands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>So I don't think they came out of the movie thinking, Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>this is going to be it. We're done, We're set.

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<v Speaker 7>So it wasn't until the pilot for Who's the boss.

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<v Speaker 7>That felt real and that felt important. And then there

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<v Speaker 7>was this waiting period back in New Jersey, waiting to

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<v Speaker 7>see if the pilot got picked up. And when it did,

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<v Speaker 7>my mom and I flew out to California. We stayed

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<v Speaker 7>at those apartments.

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<v Speaker 6>Near the Woods the ok.

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<v Speaker 5>We all lived there.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody's lived at the Oak Woods. And then Dad quit

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<v Speaker 7>his job, packed up the house, sold the house, moved

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<v Speaker 7>the house, moved everything. So he he came a few

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<v Speaker 7>months later. Yeah, because it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask just Kujo wise. Did you did

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<v Speaker 1>you meet Stephen King No.

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<v Speaker 7>I spoke to him on the phone. Apparently I don't

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<v Speaker 7>remember the call, but he was kind of a mess

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<v Speaker 7>at the time, if you know. According to his sort

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<v Speaker 7>of life history and his writing, he was.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he says he doesn't remember writing Kujo. Really, he's

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty good novel. I have no recollection.

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<v Speaker 4>That's hilarious. Do you remember your audition for Who's the Boss?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't, specifically, but the story has been told to

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<v Speaker 7>me and it is ingrained in my brain and will

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<v Speaker 7>never leave my brain because it's a great story and

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<v Speaker 7>I've told her a thousand times. But I don't actually

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<v Speaker 7>remember the audition. I think that's the actor thing in me.

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<v Speaker 7>I think one of the reasons I don't have a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of great memories on said is because I'm inside

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<v Speaker 7>the character, and you know, you wake up ten minutes

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<v Speaker 7>later and you did a whole scene and you're like,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't remember any of that. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 7>part of the reason. But the story is so funny

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<v Speaker 7>and it is literally why I got the job. So

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<v Speaker 7>I was six and couldn't read right, I'm six, So

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<v Speaker 7>my mom would read the scripts to me and she

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<v Speaker 7>would have me memorize the line before mine, so I

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<v Speaker 7>knew when I went to speak and then my line.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, and Tony Danza Judith Light had been there

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<v Speaker 7>all day auditioning kids for the show, and they were

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<v Speaker 7>paraphrasing by that point in the day. So we start

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<v Speaker 7>the scene and I literally stop and I go, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 7>can you please say the lines as written in the

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<v Speaker 7>script because that's how I memorized them?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my, And.

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<v Speaker 7>They were like, that's him, that's it. Literally, we're done.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that is so cute.

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<v Speaker 7>The showup coaches, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, you're like, sorry, we're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 4>continue this.

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<v Speaker 7>Until professionals can profession I literally did another interview recently

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<v Speaker 7>and they showed me a clip of the first day

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<v Speaker 7>of filming. We did interviews for Entertainment tonight on the

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<v Speaker 7>first day and I six year old was literally sitting

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<v Speaker 7>there like this and I'm like, yeah, you know, this

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<v Speaker 7>is not hard. We're good. I mean, I was like

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<v Speaker 7>the old man energy of just being like, yeah, I'm good,

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<v Speaker 7>We're gonna have a great time, but this isn't hard.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I just.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tony Danza gets bit by a rabid bat, we'll talk, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>The god the show may have been built around Tony Danza,

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<v Speaker 4>but the show was really about a family ensemble. What

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<v Speaker 4>was the dynamic of the cast Like it was awesome and.

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<v Speaker 7>I know you all know what that feels like, right,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it transcends the page for sure. And I

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<v Speaker 7>think Tony had this really specific idea that one of

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<v Speaker 7>the ways to keep the show being successful was to

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<v Speaker 7>bring the audience in every time we did a live taping.

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<v Speaker 7>And I mean he was literally standing in front of

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<v Speaker 7>the audience talking to them while people were changing, while

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 7>stuff was moving around. He kept them engaged. He was

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<v Speaker 7>telling stories, he was doing jokes, he was tap dancing,

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<v Speaker 7>went to our little tap dance thing, and that transcended

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<v Speaker 7>into our performances because we also understood that the more

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<v Speaker 7>we loved each other and had we're having fun, the

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<v Speaker 7>more the audience would love the moment. And it just

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<v Speaker 7>felt like it was this circle of like energy moving around,

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<v Speaker 7>and I mean every moment of it was just magical.

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<v Speaker 7>There's there's and then you know, so it transcends. You've

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<v Speaker 7>got Tony and Judith loving when I bring in report cards,

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<v Speaker 7>and you've got Alyssa and I fighting like brother and sister,

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<v Speaker 7>which amazing. But it is a relationship that will always

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<v Speaker 7>be there. I mean, you guys know that. It's like

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<v Speaker 7>I don't speak to them for a hot minute and

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<v Speaker 7>then I see them again and it's we pick up

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<v Speaker 7>right where we left off. Yeah. But it's so funny

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<v Speaker 7>to me because people truly truly expect that we are

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<v Speaker 7>chatting like on a regular.

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<v Speaker 4>Basis, Yes, all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you got to start a podcast and then you

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<v Speaker 5>will be no, no, not you and I no, I know,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's how we stated, that's what and then we

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<v Speaker 5>started this and now we talk all the time.

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<v Speaker 7>Isn't that fascinating?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 7>The idea that these people are absolutely convinced that I

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<v Speaker 7>spoke to Judith yesterday about a day. Yeah, right, totally,

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<v Speaker 7>because that's how deeply we brought them into this sort

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<v Speaker 7>of like image that we created. It wasn't fake, but

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<v Speaker 7>it is definitely we were working together in the long run, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Sometimes I'll say to people, do you still talk to

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<v Speaker 7>people you worked with forty years ago?

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<v Speaker 8>And they'll be like, oh, yeah, having started at such

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<v Speaker 8>an early age, I'm so interested because we kind of

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<v Speaker 8>all started around the same age, like the ten eleven

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<v Speaker 8>year old kind of area.

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<v Speaker 1>But having started so young, did you ever go through

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<v Speaker 1>a normal schooling process or were you.

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<v Speaker 3>Always kind of schooled on sets?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? No, I think my future depended on it at

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<v Speaker 7>that point. You know, the child the downfall of the

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 7>child actor celebrity was hardcore at the time. Like, my

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.239
<v Speaker 7>parents were very aware that that was a thing, and

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<v Speaker 7>I will be forever grateful to them for making sure

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<v Speaker 7>that this was a thing. And also I'm also grateful

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<v Speaker 7>because I had this sense to be aware enough of

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<v Speaker 7>the idea that I wanted to be something else. In

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<v Speaker 7>the long run. I was happy doing what I was doing,

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<v Speaker 7>but I was very convinced I was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 7>something else. So I think those two things combined. When

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<v Speaker 7>I started seventh grade, which was like year four, I

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<v Speaker 7>think of Who's the Boss parents went to the show

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<v Speaker 7>and they said, look, either you let him actually go

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<v Speaker 7>to school or he's not coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>I had never heard of it being I still haven't

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<v Speaker 7>heard of it being done. So what I did was

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<v Speaker 7>I went to school in Van Ey's Montclair. Do I

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<v Speaker 7>have any of you remember Montclair Private School in Van Eys.

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<v Speaker 7>I went there eight am to fifth period and then

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<v Speaker 7>I would drive over the hill to set. Every day.

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<v Speaker 7>They would just skip my stuff till I got there

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<v Speaker 7>and we would do the run throughs. At the end

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<v Speaker 7>of the day that I would go home and I

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<v Speaker 7>would do my homework. I had a four point zero GPA.

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<v Speaker 7>I was in all AP classes and so that's the

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<v Speaker 7>big stories. Like the day the show ended, I just

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<v Speaker 7>went to school for the rest of the day. Nothing changed. Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>that's man really like life saver. I'm sure it doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>mean I didn't have a downfall, it was just a

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<v Speaker 7>lot later.

0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 4>When did you know Who's the Boss was a hit?

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 7>They knew pretty quickly. I think everybody could feel it

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 7>because there was a lot of energy behind it, from

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 7>the network and from the studio and all of that,

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 7>so it felt really clear as soon as it got

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 7>picked up. I think the energy was I mean, it

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:16.440
<v Speaker 7>was obvious. You had these amazing tony Judith light, Catherine

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 7>Hellman leading.

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 4>That's who I want to know about Mona. What was

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 4>it like working with Catherine Hellman?

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<v Speaker 7>We will all tell you that she was the boss

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.160
<v Speaker 7>for sure. Oh yeah, say that. And she I mean

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 7>she was consummate professional. She had six dashuns that were

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 7>always on set.

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 6>Just fantastic.

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.679
<v Speaker 7>She just her energy was always really grounded. She's not

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 7>that funny in person. She's funny and so friendly and

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 7>so nice, but she's not like full Mona off the camera, right,

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.239
<v Speaker 7>she's much more grounded and much more sort of like

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 7>life and connect and make sure you're doing okay kind

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 7>of vibes, which is all Judith as well. I mean

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 7>Judith off camera is is so funny on camera, but

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 7>off camera she's much Have you met Judith, I have not.

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 7>Her energy is very when she speaks to you, you

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 7>can just feel the feel the sort of like I

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:12.719
<v Speaker 7>need to learn this about you, I need to make

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 7>sure you're okay. She's always been like that. Oh empathic, empathic, Yes,

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 7>very empathic.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.120
<v Speaker 5>That's where Yeah, a lot of actors are right, they

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 5>have that. Yeah.

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I also think there's something when you, especially for

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 1>child actors, having that kind of grounding force in the set.

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 3>We had that with William Daniels.

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>So having that kind of old school actor that has

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 1>been there, seen it done it is a consummate professional

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I swear that helps the next generation of actors coming

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 1>up when you just have that kind of force on

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the set with you every day. Yeah, it really made

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a difference. I thank god for the fact that Bill

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 1>was there for us every day, just even though he

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was the same way. He wasn't particularly funny, there was

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>times he could be grumpy, but there was just that

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>gravitas of professionalism.

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 3>And you know, this is this is.

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.959
<v Speaker 1>A job, and it can be fun and it can

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>be enjoyable, but it's still you're at work and you've

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>got to balance your work life and your home life.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>And again, I think all that comes from having that

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 1>person who's been there, done that, and so yeah, I

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>can I can see having that.

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes such a difference.

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 7>As we've seen, there are a lot of stories of

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 7>that not being a situation.

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 7>I think it changed at some point, honestly, Like, I

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 7>would never have imagined that any of the shows from

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 7>my period of time, like not People being the way

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 7>that they were with the Disney Kids, that that would

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 7>be not that would not go over well on an

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 7>eighties sitcom set, right, That's just not not happening. So

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 7>I don't know where it changed or how it changed.

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if it's because it was a whole

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 7>entity in itself, the Nickelodeon bubble, the Disney bubble, there's

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 7>a whole other set of expectations. But yeah, like it's

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 7>always surprising to me to hear it because you would

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 7>never you would never have seen that on on Growing

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 7>Pains or you know, any of those shows.

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, having another teen on set who was also facing

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 4>mass stardom could be really helpful. What was your relationship

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 4>with Alyssa Milano?

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 7>Like, so for most of the show, I was so

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.159
<v Speaker 7>busy focused on school, and like I would show up

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 7>to set, I'd be there for literally like two hours

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 7>and do my thing and then go home. We were

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 7>we loved each other. It was a beautiful relationship, but

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 7>we weren't like hanging out or calling each other. She

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 7>was hanging out with the boys that she was you

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 7>know that she was into or she was definitely doing

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.479
<v Speaker 7>some of the going out to events in Hollywood and

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 7>being sort of seen. She you know, she was very

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.959
<v Speaker 7>popular at the time. Right, So this little kid who

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 7>doesn't really who just wants to do his homework is

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 7>like not on her radar, right, Yes, but it was

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 7>never more than that. Now now we're closer than we

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 7>had ever been on the show, which is so wonderful

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.680
<v Speaker 7>to me. And she is a really, really terrific woman

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 7>and all of the things that she strives to be

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 7>and strives to achieve for other people. It is just

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 7>blows my mind how. I don't know how she gets

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 7>up every day and just keeps so focused on achieving

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 7>these goals up in the world. You know, if I

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 7>could just be a little bit more like her, I'd

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 7>be happy.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 4>You have been very open about your struggles with sobriety

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 4>and drugs. Do you think early stardom is a gateway

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 4>drug to drugs?

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 7>Is a gateway to drugs? I see where you're going. Yeah,

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 7>it depends on how you look at it. I think,

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 7>like with anyone in the world, when there's strife, and

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 7>when there's identity problems, and when there is the inability

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 7>to know who you are as a human and your

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 7>stock or your lost, I think that's more the gateway

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 7>than the child celebrity. I think the child celebrity is

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 7>the reason you're lost or can't find your way. But

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't say and it didn't happen to every It

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 7>doesn't happen to everyone. Right, You've got plenty of examples

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 7>of actors who just were Okay, my version is backwards

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 7>in a weird way. Like I look at my life

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 7>as sort of three chapters, and the first chapter was

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 7>all the way to the age of thirty five. So

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 7>thirty five was when I finally had this sort of

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 7>like breakdown because it took me that long to get

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 7>past these identity issues. Even though I was one hundred

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 7>percent convinced that I wanted to be something else, which

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 7>was a veterinarian, I kept doing this thing, Like when

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 7>I got into Stanford, I literally my acceptance letter just

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 7>or my what do you call that? The letter you send?

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Incation letter?

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 7>It was all about being a veterinarian. So I went

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 7>there to be a veterinarian. I could not pass the

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 7>math and science to save my life and was devastated.

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 7>So what do I do? I come back to LA

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 7>to try to be an actor. I literally left Stanford

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 7>to go back to LA. Spend about six weeks going

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 7>what the hell are you thinking? Go back to Stanford.

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 7>It's fucking Stanford? Like yeah, And then I moved to

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 7>New York to try to be a theater director. That

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 7>didn't go well. So what do I do? I go

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 7>back to being an actor theater acting of course, right,

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 7>and then I get into some problems with drug in

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 7>New York that was just at the wrong time, like

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 7>at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and I

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 7>let it get out of a hand because I was

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 7>having identity issues. Yeah, finally I had to leave New York.

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 7>I go back to LA to be an actor. Right.

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 7>So we're going through that time period and the universe

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 7>is absolutely telling me it is the wrong move. Just

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 7>story after story of stuff, like I'm mentioned on Will

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 7>and Grace. We call them and say, hey, bring him on.

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 7>They're like no, We're like you you mentioned him five

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 7>times in the episode. And do you know how many

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 7>celebrities want to be on this show?

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 6>Well, how many of them, do you member you talking about?

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 7>But it's a much longer story and it's not even

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 7>worth going through. But stuff like that was happening, and

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 7>I was like, Okay, I'm done, no more acting, I'm done.

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm going to be a casting director. So I just

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 7>moved into another area of the business, and I work

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 7>as a casting director. Then I move into a talent agent,

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 7>and by then I'm thirty five, and I feel like

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 7>all of the stuff that's just brimming and sort of

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 7>sitting there, and while I love it, I'm also making

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 7>other people's careers successful right as a talent agent's assistant,

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 7>which was so hard I think on my brain in

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 7>the long run that I finally snapped and I attempted

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 7>to take my life and I was two weeks in

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 7>the psych ward and that was the moment. That was

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 7>the first moment when I felt truly like I could

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 7>step away and and just start over. But it took

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 7>that to get.

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 5>So.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 7>Then ten years of zero business, like nothing to do

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 7>with the entertainment business at all, my husband started working

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.479
<v Speaker 7>as a restaurant manager. I managed the largest pfchains in

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 7>the country for two vicious and then finally I come

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 7>back to vet tech. So I start working at a

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 7>shelter in Austin, and then I moved into their veteran

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 7>a clinic, and then I moved to a private clinic,

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.239
<v Speaker 7>and life was amazing. I discovered who I was. I

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 7>was happily married, we were making money, we felt really solid.

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 7>And then I saw Wilson Cruz and Anthony Rapp kiss

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 7>on screen as a married couple in Star Trek Discovery,

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 7>and something happened. I said, Oh, wait, hold on, I

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 7>need to do that. That needs to happen for me.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 7>I need to see what that feels like. I need

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 7>to find just the idea that finally there were these

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.959
<v Speaker 7>opportunities for someone like me was just so compelling. So

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 7>I'm back to being an actor again. But this time

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 7>it's not because everything else fell apart. It's actually because

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 7>everything came together. I am who I meant to be.

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 7>I know who I am, and now I want to

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 7>see what it looks like now as an adult and

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 7>as someone who understands who they are.

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:20.479
<v Speaker 4>Wow, thanks for sharing that story with us.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 7>It's hard. It's hard to break it up. I mean,

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 7>it's a it's a path that can only be explained

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 7>by telling the story.

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 4>You know that you mentioned that your you think of

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 4>your life as three chapters. That first chapter goes to

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 4>thirty five and then what how do you how do

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 4>you separate chapter two and three and how many I

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 4>hope there's a hundred chapters to go.

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 7>So, yeah, chapter two is the ten years out.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 4>Okay, the ten years out of it, and then I'm that.

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 7>Chapter three when I come back to being an actor,

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 7>which was four years ago now, and there's not much

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 7>of the story yet. You all know the business. I

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 7>come back to the business.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 5>At the worst.

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 7>I come back right before the strikes.

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, going it's like going back to I'm a vet again,

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>but now there's no animals left in the world. Yeah.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 7>Literally, it's horrifying. Yeah, it's not getting better. I mean, no, no,

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 7>where we're at with the situation. And I've been trying

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 7>to explain with this Amazon Flex stuff, I've been trying

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 7>to explain to their general public just how bad it

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 7>is because they just don't understand. And it's it's been

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 7>eye opening to a lot of people to realize how

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 7>awful things are. The pilot season story is the easiest

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 7>way to explain it to them. You know, y'all remember

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 7>pilot season when it was an actual thing, right.

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, there were where you could go, well, at least

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 4>at least there's pilot season coming up from pilot season.

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, people would like fly in from all of

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 7>the country, sleep on someone's couch just to be able

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 7>to go on auditions for pilot season. There were what

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 7>it's sixty eighty of them in the three month span.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 7>We had eight this year, and two of them got

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 7>picked up.

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 3>It's miserable. It's just awful, miserably.

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 6>It's everybody.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 3>It's well.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's also because everybody can just point their camera at

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.479
<v Speaker 1>themselves on their phone and an influencer or.

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Do whatever they have to do.

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>So the idea of these massive companies now saying we're

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>going to put hundreds of millions of dollars into stuff

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that people are doing on YouTube for free, it's like, well,

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>why would we do that?

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, in such a stake of books right now,

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 3>it really And.

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 7>The other thing I try to explain too, is that,

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 7>as you say that, all of the studios are basically

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 7>owned by a corporation. So instead of the studio being

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 7>able to say, oh man, we got to make this thing,

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 7>it's going to be amazing. They have to say, hey, corporation,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 7>what do you think about us making stockholders?

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 7>Then the corporation says, well, what's the risk assessment on it?

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 7>And then it gets it gets canned, you know, because

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 7>it's not going to be it's not going to make

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 7>the money. And or the other thing that I feel

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 7>like is happening. Maybe tell me if you feel like

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 7>this is true, is that those corporations know that if

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 7>they have celebrity names in the first eight roles on

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 7>the call sheet, they're going to make money or it's

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 7>going to be more successful rather than take a chance

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 7>on someone who is in a celebrity name. So I

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 7>feel like we're getting farther and farther down on the list.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 6>It's even worse.

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Fortunately, because when we we we talk about this all

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the time, there was there was a real delineation between

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the type of actor you were in the seventies, eighties,

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and nineties, you were a television.

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 3>Actor or you were a movie star.

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now because films are dead, all the people

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>that were movie stars are now coming onto television and

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>all the people that are television stars are being pushed out.

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that sees it. He's like, what's going on?

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and that's who.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 7>And here's the thing. They're all out of work, so

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 7>they're gonna say yes. Of course they're gonna say yes.

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 4>Clooney doesn't espress so.

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 7>For me, those are not as crazy. I just saw

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 7>I won't say Dame's I just saw an episode of something.

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 7>A fairly famous actor came on and I was like, Oh,

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 7>they're gonna have a great guest star three lines. Yeah,

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 7>and then they left and I went, wait a second,

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 7>hold on a minute, like, is this where we're at?

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 7>Is that?

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 7>So the the person who would normally have played that role,

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 7>the like co star level actor, guest star level actor,

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 7>new upcoming person who they would have taken a risk

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 7>on for those three lines, is now being played by

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 7>someone who's been a serious television show.

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 4>Arrived on the set and they said, you have thirty minutes.

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 4>You got thirty minutes, and then you got to get

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 4>them out of here.

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, got it.

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 6>It's so true.

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>No, it's one of those things where it is the

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>day of the journeyman actor, where you could make a

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>very good living and raise a family on the I'm

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>going to do this guest star and that guest star.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>We have a three episode arc on this I'm doing that.

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just not a thing anymore, absolutely not a thing anymore. Now.

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 7>It's really scary.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know all of us look at social media

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 4>now and the twenty four to seven constant need to

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 4>be a brand and for kid stars, we are all

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 4>so thankful we didn't have that. But you did face

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 4>something horrific in the media. A tabloid outed you when

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 4>you were at Stanford.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 6>Oh obviously that story. I didn't know this story. Oh

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 6>my god.

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, welcome to my life.

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean obviously, and thankfully this is something that

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 4>happens significantly less now.

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 7>But if it were to happen now, all hell would

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 7>break loose, I.

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Mean, as it should be. How were you able to

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 4>deal with that?

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 7>It was not easy. So you have to remember this

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 7>is a time when nineteen ninety seven, when it was

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 7>kind of a thing for the Inquirer to help people.

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 7>That's literally one of the lifels.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 5>It happened to chat Allen too.

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 7>Ye, same idea, exactly right around the same time. So

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 7>right around the same time. Yeah, and yeah, I just

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 7>got a call out of the blue one day. Hey,

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 7>we're gonna we're going to talk about this whether you

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 7>like it or not. Do you want us to give

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 7>us an Oh my god. I was like in the

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 7>middle of finals, and I was absolutely petrified. You know,

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't focused on being an actor, but I hadn't

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 7>ruled it out. So I was absolutely sure my career

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 7>was over obviously at that point, I mean, there was

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 7>no other version of the scenario. So I called Judith

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 7>because she's been an advocate for our community for I

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 7>mean since long before me. Her long term managers are

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 7>a married queer couple, and so I saw them on

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 7>set every day and I had really good sort of

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 7>images of what it meant to be queer. But I

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 7>called her and I said, Judith, what do I do?

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 7>And she said, very calmly, just look, they can't misquote you.

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 7>So if you give them really solid answers and just

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 7>be truthful and honest, they can't misquote you. And so

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 7>I just went into it knowing that, and believe it

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 7>or not, the actual Inquirer story, if you were to

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 7>read it, it's actually pretty heartfelt, which was shocking to me.

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 7>It happened, and it was awful, and it was awful

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 7>that it happened, but it could have been worse in

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 7>the sense that the article could have been just you know,

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 7>dragging me through the coals had I not participated. So

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 7>I'm eternally grateful to her for telling me to say

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 7>yes to the interview.

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 6>Wow, did you ever? I mean a stupid question, can you, like,

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 6>did you consider suing? Can you sue for stuff like that?

0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Or?

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.919
<v Speaker 7>I think nowadays that would be something that's more likely

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 7>to go through, But back then that it just everybody

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 7>knew that was something they could get away with. Remember

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 7>it's a different time. People did not. We don't think

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 7>the same way as we get in, which is so

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 7>great and I'm so grateful for that.

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, even even even like what you were saying about

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 5>your your career being over, I think that there was

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 5>a reality that, uh, you could only play gay roles,

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 5>if you know, and that those were one in a million,

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, if you a million if so, if you

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 5>wanted to be an actor, a leading man, you had

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 5>to be straight. I mean that was because so many

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 5>people were closeted by necessity.

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, studios used to marry them off. Studio used to

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>marry gay men off. To wim Well, that you're you're

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>married now.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 7>Well, look, I don't have any examples of it, but

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if you used to is Yeah, are

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 7>you sure that that doesn't apply? Yeah, there are some

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 7>people who I'm you know, I mean, you know, I

0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 7>don't know. Maybe we're all wrong, but we've got these

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 7>versions in our head.

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Why do you think there is such a stigma associated

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 4>with TV and movie stars eventually transitioning into the traditional workforce.

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 4>Why do people think of it as being anything other

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.919
<v Speaker 4>than just a normal career where, you know, not making

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 4>enough money doing this one, so I've got to do

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 4>something else. Why do you think that exists?

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 7>Look, it's happened to me so many times now in

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 7>different ways. I just think that because I don't think

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 7>y'all know this. But in like, like near the end

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 7>of the show, I wanted a summer job just for fun,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 7>so I worked at the Gap and they somebody brought

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 7>in a hidden camera and took pictures of me folding

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 7>clothes and said he's already lost all his money. The

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 7>downfall of Danny Binton, series regular on Who's the Boss

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 7>and he's working at the Gap? You know, I mean,

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't know I don't know what it is. I

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 7>think it's the idea that regular people quote unquote love

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 7>to see the sort of because so for a long

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 7>time it was they love to see the downfall. There

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 7>is something about that. Just humans love to see other

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 7>people being miserable. I mean, I don't know, and especially

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 7>someone that they have placed on such a pedestal to

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 7>see that person come down a bunch of levels. Nowadays,

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 7>it seems like what happens is the people don't like that.

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 7>So Jeffrey Owens, they did some pictures of him at

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 7>Trader Joe's from the from the Cosby Show. They set

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 7>the story up to be look at what happened. But

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 7>the response and the comments and the response to him

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 7>was don't even think. How dare you?

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 6>So that is like he's.

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 7>On the well, yeah, he just an amazing guest star

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 7>on the pit. Yeah, I think back next season for sure,

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 7>because his friend is. Anyway, so that moment that we've

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 7>come at that far as humans is is really the

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 7>only way we stop doing terrible crap like that, right,

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 7>all this humans. So when I posted the picture for flex,

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 7>I really didn't. It did not cross my mind because

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 7>everybody knows that I'm working and all the people follow me.

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 7>I'm live at least three times a week. They all knew,

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 7>so I posted it being like, Hey, I'm at work,

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 7>I'll be back live later today.

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 4>Kind of so to our dear listeners who don't know,

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 4>you drive for Amazon Flex where you get to be

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 4>flexible with your hours and pick and choose when you

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 4>are working at Amazon and when you are focusing on

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 4>your acting career.

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so it's one of the five different gig jobs

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 7>that I'm doing right now. More gig actors. Acting is

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 7>the gig. It's one of the six acting. It's one

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 7>of the six gigs. But yeah, I came across this

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 7>when I was living in Austin. The idea for people

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.479
<v Speaker 7>who don't understand. So like, let's say an Amazon driver

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 7>calls out for the day. What they do is they

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 7>take the stuff in his truck, they split it up

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 7>into like five portions, and then people can pick up

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 7>the shift to deliver that section or what mostly it

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 7>is now is same day delivery or next day delivery

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 7>with an Amazon Prime. So most of my shifts are

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 7>people who ordered last night and want it by today.

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 7>So that's kind of how it works. So You just

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 7>fill up your car with packages, you take pictures of them,

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 7>you leave them on the doorstep, and you're done. And

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 7>the money is surprisingly good. When my husband and I

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 7>do it together a three hour shift, we could do

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.360
<v Speaker 7>it in two hours and the whole shift was eighty

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 7>to one hundred dollars.

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 4>Not bad at all.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, So that came out. But as soon as

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 7>the first hit of the press for it came out,

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 7>I stopped and I said, Okay, how do we do

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 7>this differently? You know? And I went into it thinking,

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 7>we have to do what we have to do to survive.

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 7>We have got to keep moving as humans. And I

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 7>know you can all relate to what that looks like.

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 7>We're all doing it. I am not different from you

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 7>in that sense. We've never been to differ from you

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 7>in that sense. I don't make money from residuals, you know.

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 7>So they're answering all the questions that immediately came up

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 7>in the comments in sort of the first statement I

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 7>made in the first interview I did, and it kind

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 7>of just all the flat just disappeared because people had

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 7>the answers and they felt informed and they felt like

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 7>they they understood where we are all as act or

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 7>we'll all act as actors right now.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, I mean most people in any form

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>of creative field. If you're an artist in any way,

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you're a musician, you need to do something else. There's

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the very, very select group of people that are making

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a good living in the artistic field. You do what

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to do. And then you couple that with

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the fact that as human beings, you want purpose. You

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>want to wake up in the morning with something to do.

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 1>And most people are raised with or you hope are

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>raised with a decent work ethic, and it's like, I

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>want to get up and be productive today.

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 6>I want to do something.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Larry Bird famously, even at his height, when he lived

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 1>in Boston playing everybody, fans would go out and watch

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 1>him every week mow his own lawn and they were like,

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Harry Bran, He's like, because I grew up on a

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>farm and I'm mowing my lawn, That's what I'm doing.

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:12.839
<v Speaker 6>And to other people, they're like, that's the craziest thing.

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, oh my god, you have a job.

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, I'm an actor, which is I might have

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a great year and then a five years, and so

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to have something else to do.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 5>There's always been a fantasy, like a mystique about acts.

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 7>Definitely. Yeah.

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 5>And they project onto on two actors. We all do,

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, to so we project like they

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 5>must live a fantastic life in a big house and

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 5>have people waiting on them. It's like this, It's like

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.800
<v Speaker 5>a version of the American dream, right, Like we projected

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 5>onto actors, like if you're on a TV show, if

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 5>you're in a movie, you've made it and it's done.

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 5>And it's just not the truth at all, And it's

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:47.439
<v Speaker 5>only gotten worse, only gotten worse.

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 7>The general public understand what a non famous actor is

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 7>doing gigs, restaurant work, they understand that, yeah, but then

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 7>when you try to apply it to any of us,

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 7>they don't understand it. It's so fascinating.

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's yeah.

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 7>But one of the big things to talk about with

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 7>it all was is the residuals. And I've seen so

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 7>many things since I've talked about it a few weeks ago,

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 7>I've seen so much about it, and I think they're

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 7>finally starting to understand what it means and what residuals

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 7>actually mean and what they don't Yeah, yeah, yeah, when

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 7>you open.

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 3>A little bit.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's so many times and Sue will

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>be like, this is absurd where the stamp on the

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>front costs more than the check inside.

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 7>And it is already a time. That's happened to me

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:33.919
<v Speaker 7>so many time.

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's crazy where it's like they literally sent

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a fifty five cent stamp or whatever to send me

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 1>a twelve cent check, Like, what the hell is happening,

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 4>Well, we are big fans of a side hustle here,

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 4>so I want to know about the resonant actor and

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 4>your booknook business.

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 7>All right, so this is you know, one of five.

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 7>So I've got Amazon and then I'm an acting coach.

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 7>So that developed because I teach act I've been teaching

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 7>acting for the last almost ten years in Austin. I

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 7>was teaching eight classes at this conservatory. I'm currently teaching

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 7>for the entire summer at Young Actors Theater Camp. It's

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 7>this amazing place in Santa Cruz for young actors. And

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 7>one of the reasons they're so successful is they get huge,

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 7>huge name Broadway stars to come in and do master

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 7>classes for the kids. It's just discounding. I mean, the

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.879
<v Speaker 7>level of talent that comes, but I run their acting track,

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.760
<v Speaker 7>So I write the showcase, I coordinate all the monologues

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.920
<v Speaker 7>and scenes. I teach seven different classes in a day.

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 7>It's so many, and so out of that, I've decided

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 7>to sort of also create a little bit of a

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 7>coaching business and hopefully that'll turn into something where I

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 7>can just sort of I have a unique sort of

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 7>take on it, and that's the resonant actor vibe of it.

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 7>Like the idea that we're all resonating energy right as humans,

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 7>and when you're playing a character, you have to resonate

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 7>their energy, not yours, And so how do you figure

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 7>that out by creating an inner monologue that is so

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 7>specifically the other character that your brain is off to

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 7>the side, allowing you to sort of give off the

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 7>essence of this character that you've created. Anyway, that's a

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 7>whole thing. But yeah, the book Nooks. The book Nooks.

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 7>It's weird to talk about, but it's also like so cool.

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 7>November twenty twenty four, I bought one and I started

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 7>putting it together, and at the time I was doing

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 7>TikTok Lives Will, so to go back to something way earlier.

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 7>Danielle when I got back to the business. The first

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 7>thing I said when I came back to the business

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:59.359
<v Speaker 7>was I refuse to lose a role to an actor

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 7>who has a better social media profile. Then I refuse.

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 7>And at the time I didn't have one. So I've

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 7>spent the last four years building one. And one of

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 7>the ways to do that is TikTok Live. Just people

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 7>are coming through, Oh my god, it's you click, you know,

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 7>we're good, but doing a two hour live where I'm like, yeah,

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 7>who's the boss? Yeah, Kujo is boring? No that. So

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm like, I gotta find a niche. So I was like, oh,

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 7>maybe i'll build this on the live and I built.

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.360
<v Speaker 7>I started building it. I went from thirty people to

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 7>one hundred and thirty and a couple of days later

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 7>somebody said can I buy that? And I was like, what,

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 7>I'm going to put it on my shelf? What do

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 7>you mean you want to buy it? And they're like, oh,

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't have time, it's beautiful, you do an amazing

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 7>job with it. Can I buy it? And I said, oh,

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 7>let me get back to you.

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.720
<v Speaker 7>That was November twenty twenty four. I have since sold

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 7>one hundred and seventy four booknoes.

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 6>What exactly is a book note?

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to make sure I have it right,

0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think I know what it is, but I

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>want to know right here.

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 7>It's a model, it's a diorama, and it has a theme,

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 7>and it comes like this. This is what it comes like.

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 7>It comes in pieces like flat boards. What I then

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.840
<v Speaker 7>do is pop those off. I stand the edges, I

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 7>paint the edges and make them look really nice, a

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 7>bunch of stuff, and then I put it together and

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 7>this is Harry Potter diagon Alley Christmas.

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:28.240
<v Speaker 5>That's so cool.

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.840
<v Speaker 7>It's amazing. All the snow that you see, all the glitter,

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 7>all of the extras. I just got a three D printer,

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 7>so I started three D printing stuff to add to them,

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 7>all of these cool little touches in the back. And

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 7>then because underneath the street is basically gr gringuts vaults

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:59.719
<v Speaker 7>right turns gold right. The coolest thing people literally will

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 7>I mean people just sit and watch me for hours.

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 7>I have soft music playing. It's super zen and easy

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.399
<v Speaker 7>and cool. And then the other cool thing is that

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 7>I tell the person who purchased it, so then what

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 7>they do is they buy it. Then I build it.

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 7>So when I'm gonna build it, I say, hey, I'm

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 7>going to be building yours today on TikTok. They join

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 7>me and then I'm like, what color do you want

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 7>this to be? Or I mean that was just like that.

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 7>I don't even know how to explain how the joy

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 7>that they feel. This one's what I'm working on.

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh.

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 7>Christmas one.

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's amazing.

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>My paint miniature. So this is like this is like

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>right up my alley.

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, oh I love it.

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>For D and D.

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for D and D. So for D and D yeah, D.

0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 7>Look would I just printed today? Oh my gosh, I

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 7>have this sort of cartoon figure of me and I

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 7>made a three D versions.

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 7>Three D printing, man is absolutely the way to go,

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 7>especially for Dungeons Dragon that manol, it's already. I mean

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.080
<v Speaker 7>I love it. I love it so much. That is

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.760
<v Speaker 7>so cool, Okay, but it's you know, paying the bills,

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 7>so we enjoy it and you enjoy it and absolutely

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 7>enjoy it.

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you could, if you had your druthers and

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:21.600
<v Speaker 4>you could be performing in any capacity, doing anything, Yeah,

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 4>what would you be doing?

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's so hard because it's been already four

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 7>years of trying to come back, and I feel like

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 7>what's currently happening is people are getting to know me

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.279
<v Speaker 7>as a human, which I think is really nice. All

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 7>this press is all about getting to know who I am.

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 7>But the business, the casting directors, the directors, producing, nobody

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 7>knows what I can do as an actor. So at

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 7>this very moment, the answer is truly, I will do

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 7>whatever I can to just get back in front of

0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.360
<v Speaker 7>the camera so people can see that I still know

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 7>what I'm doing, that I that I still have it,

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 7>and then I am a capable human being. The hard part,

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 7>of course for me, is that you know, I have

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 7>a lot of boxes, those boxes that we talked about,

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 7>the queer box, the HIV box. Don't forget about that

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 7>from twenty fifteen. Do y'all know about that?

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 4>No? No?

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 7>Oh? Well, by the way, in twenty fifteen, Oprah called

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 7>me or her people and said, we want to do

0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:25.959
<v Speaker 7>a where are they now special on you? And I said, well,

0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 7>I'm ready to talk about something else, So what do

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.239
<v Speaker 7>you think about that? So yeah, twenty fifteen, I came

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.960
<v Speaker 7>out to Oprah as being HIV positive on her show. Okay,

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 7>big deal, big big deal actually scarier than coming out

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 7>as gay.

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 4>Sure, well yeah, but you didn't get to really do

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 4>that on your own.

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure, no. And I was definitely

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 7>ready to talk about it. And I also felt like

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 7>it was time for me to do I felt like

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 7>the universe was saying, it's an important thing for you

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 7>to do right now, and at the time, it really was.

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 7>And I made a huge difference in a lot of

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.880
<v Speaker 7>people's lives in terms of just having someone else to

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 7>look to who's living happily with HIV. So I've got

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 7>that box, I've got the day box, I've got Jonathan

0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.319
<v Speaker 7>Bauer box, because that's never going to go away, right.

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 7>So it's just it's hard, and I just really just

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 7>need something. It just needs something to come through that

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 7>I can get up there and be like, guys, here

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 7>it is. And it's it's just hard because thirty auditions,

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 7>self tapes, no feedback, no callbacks, one callback. It just

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.239
<v Speaker 7>starts to get to a place where you really doubt

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:43.840
<v Speaker 7>yourself and you really doubt your ability and and you

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 7>just I have to remember the the outcome of the

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.719
<v Speaker 7>audition is not a reflection of whether I'm a good

0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 7>actor or it's so hard though. Yeah, you know, you

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.720
<v Speaker 7>just have to remember that there are a thousand parts.

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I'm ready, and I just I mean it

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.799
<v Speaker 7>needs I'm ready. And everybody says that they feel like

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 7>something is coming, which feels really nice, and it's not

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:14.279
<v Speaker 7>just a sort of like, oh, yeah, you got this,

0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:17.399
<v Speaker 7>it's like no, truly, like in my heart, I can

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 7>truly feel something's coming, and I just I'm waiting patiently

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 7>for that moment.

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:28.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, we will be there front row screaming your name.

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to see what that thing is. I'm

0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 4>so thank you so much for sharing your vulnerability, your honesty.

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 4>It is so incredibly refreshing to talk to somebody who

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 4>has absolutely no reason to not be anything other than

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent earnest about your life, your journey, where

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 4>you are now, what you're looking forward to, and it's yeah,

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.919
<v Speaker 4>it's just you are. You're a remarkable person, and thank

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 4>you for sharing it with all of our dear listeners,

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 4>who I know are going to love you and be

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.880
<v Speaker 4>there to support you. That you obviously have a thriving

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.040
<v Speaker 4>TikTok live. Where can people find you?

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, everything is all Danny Pintaro. So just at Kintaro

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 7>everywhere you go. Thanks for saying that, though, I mean,

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 7>it is the best feeling to truly be able to

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 7>say as an actor, as a celebrity that there's nothing

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 7>off the table. It's really cool feeling. I don't know

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 7>if it helps me in the long term with like

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 7>the boxes going away right then, I continue to talk

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 7>about these things so openly, but I'm also not in

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.520
<v Speaker 7>a position to play that game and sort of you know,

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 7>take any steps back just to make your career happen.

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 7>It's going to happen on my terms, whether whether they

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 7>like it or not.

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, I.

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 4>Mean anytime, anytime you're living in an inauthentic way, it's

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:52.840
<v Speaker 4>going to be painful. And if you are the type

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<v Speaker 4>of person who loves to be mysterious and isn't an

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<v Speaker 4>open book, then that's not inauthentic for you. But for

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<v Speaker 4>those of us who pride ourselves on being able to

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<v Speaker 4>speak honestly and from the heart and all of that,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like forcing ourselves to not do that because we

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<v Speaker 4>think it's going to benefit us in some career ways.

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<v Speaker 4>Just it's just another version of living, you know, exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I couldn't respect you more and I

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<v Speaker 4>really appreciate you taking the time to talk with us.

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<v Speaker 4>So great to officially meet you, even though we're.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah one day in person for sure. I'm so proud

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<v Speaker 7>of you all for making this happen. This is such

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<v Speaker 7>a big, huge success, and thank you. I'm so proud

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<v Speaker 7>of you for for actually doing it. I do not

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<v Speaker 7>envy you, but it is something that I would like

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<v Speaker 7>to be better at, which is just taking a big

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<v Speaker 7>risk right and creating something and hoping that it succeeds.

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<v Speaker 7>And it has by far succeeded for you all, So

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<v Speaker 7>congratulations much. I'm being brave enough to make something happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you so much. We wouldn't have done

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<v Speaker 4>it without writer. Thank you, Danny.

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<v Speaker 5>It was great to see you.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you have a great day, and thanks so much

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<v Speaker 7>for having me you too.

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<v Speaker 5>Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't that a refreshing conversation just like, well, I think

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<v Speaker 4>you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no pretense, Yeah, there's no literally like no, like

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<v Speaker 5>you just drop the idea of like wanting to be

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<v Speaker 5>cool or wanting to be impressive and instead of just

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<v Speaker 5>being like, here's my journey, here's who I am, here's

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<v Speaker 5>where I'm at and it's all pretty interesting and pretty great,

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<v Speaker 5>and like, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Was really loushed.

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<v Speaker 4>I think maybe one of the things I really resonated

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<v Speaker 4>with with what he was so many of the things

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<v Speaker 4>he was talking about is you know when I mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>that he had been outed at when he went to Stanford,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like, oh my gosh, Yeah, it was devastating.

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<v Speaker 4>He thought his career was over, and yet immediately he

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<v Speaker 4>was also able to say it was it was also

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<v Speaker 4>very well written because I participated it was hard and

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<v Speaker 4>and and so it's something we come up with on

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<v Speaker 4>this podcast all the time, is that there can be duality.

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<v Speaker 4>Two things can exist at the same time. It can

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<v Speaker 4>be a tragic thing that someone outed him, and also

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<v Speaker 4>it could be something he looks back on fondly in

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<v Speaker 4>the sense of just the heartfelt interview and the way

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<v Speaker 4>it was handled and the fact that he got the

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<v Speaker 4>advice from Judith Light and yeah, so I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>I just it felt like he sees both sides to

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<v Speaker 4>every you know, even something like sharing that he was

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<v Speaker 4>HIV positive. He was called from Oprah and they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to and he said, I have something I want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about. I don't know It's just there's something

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<v Speaker 4>so nice about people able to recognize and say, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>one of my biggest hardships is also one of my

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<v Speaker 4>biggest bussings, and you know, being able to see both

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<v Speaker 4>sides of it. So anyway, I thought he was very impressive. Yeah,

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