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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece and absolutely beautiful fifteen year

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Speaker 1: old girl is dead? Why why her? Because she went

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Speaker 1: to a birthday party. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious XM one eleven. You may have just said,

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Speaker 1: what what does she say? She's dead because she went

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Speaker 1: to a birthday party. This team girl, I had a

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Speaker 1: Here she is and her go I could just see

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Speaker 1: my daughter wearing this. My little girl is fifteen, she

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Speaker 1: just turned fifteen. She and her twin brother Leila has

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Speaker 1: with a figure like hers. She's got on this spaghetti stripe, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: tight red type of sheath dress. She's got her hair beautiful.

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Speaker 1: She's got the perfect smile. Now. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: for those teeth out embraces, but it's beautiful. And she's

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Speaker 1: got her nails done. And this is the part that

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Speaker 1: She's going to a dance in this picture, you know

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Speaker 1: it was a prominent school, and a look on her face.

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Speaker 1: She's carefree. She's a little teen girl. She's got the

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Speaker 1: bleed out dead at a birthday party? Why her? She's

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Speaker 1: never done anything wrong, good student, beloved everything. First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to Sergeant Julia isaac Pio, Clayton County Police.

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Speaker 1: At eleven pm, Clayton County Police Department responded to his

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Speaker 1: Upon arrival to the scene, officers noticed hundreds of teenagers

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Speaker 1: learn that Layla Harris came to a high school party.

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Speaker 1: Clayton County Police say fifteen year old Layla Harris was

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Speaker 1: doing what most kids do, enjoying a party thrown for

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Speaker 1: Metro Areas students around eleven Saturday night on Citizens Parkway,

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at WSBTV and Sergeant Isaac's speaking,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you approach a scene and I've had

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Speaker 1: it happen. I remember Daryl Cohen joining me, high profile

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Speaker 1: lawyer of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Interesting former felony prosecutor, nothing

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Speaker 1: and I was going to a crack house. We get

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Speaker 1: happened to you, Nancy? It happened several times. But also

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Speaker 1: I want to point out that a lot of young kids,

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Speaker 1: your question, Yes, when you show up and everybody runs,

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Speaker 1: Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Yere I think still in the midst of raising

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Speaker 1: You would think she'd be safe, especially surrounded by all

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Speaker 1: Plus Gudgeon, the source for answers, joining me a special

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Speaker 1: guest from Fox five Atlanta, Rob Drienzo, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Tell me about the venue. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. And but Nancy, here's the other thing too.

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Speaker 1: to extricate themselves from a scene, only to bleed out

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00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: blocked later from the scene. In this case, I'm kind

428
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: of interested in the fact that a bullet was seen

429
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: or a projectile was found next to the window area,

430
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: and in this case we probably expect to find a

431
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: typical entrance wounds on the body and indicating that there

432
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: was a intermediate target that impeded the bullet before it

433
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: struck the young the young woman. So it depended. All

434
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: depends on where the death, where the injury occurred. It

435
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: may be immediate, if it immediate, if it strikes the

436
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: brain or some other vital area. It was some of

437
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the injuries that you suggested may happen. Do the lungs

438
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: actually fill up with blood and you can no longer breathe.

439
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: That's one of the causes of death as u large

440
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: major vessels are struck and then the person may aspirate

441
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: or inhale the blood as it fills up into the lungs,

442
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: but typically it's related to exanguination, in which the blood

443
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: is exiting the blood vessels and filling up the large

444
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: chest cavities with blood. Would she have suffered, doctor Jensen,

445
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: or would she be dead instantly? You know, that's the

446
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: classic question that families ask us on every case. And

447
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, again it the term. It's determined on you

448
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: know what kind of injury you have. If the brain

449
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: stem or the brain is affected, of course the person

450
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: dies immediately. There are issues of pain and suffering when

451
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: an individual maybe bleeding and basically you know, I know

452
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: that they're going to die because of the amount of hemorrhage.

453
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: It all depends on the site, and we try to

454
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: be as as sensitive to the families as we can

455
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: and know that in many cases these young people are

456
00:29:45,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: in shock and don't necessarily feel pain. Crime stories with

457
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you know, to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist

458
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Angie, I like to tell myself that

459
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: when my fiance was murder, he didn't feel anything, that

460
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: he just blacked out and one instant he was here

461
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: and the next instant he was in heaven. It's just

462
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: like that. And I was just noticing recently doctor Angie

463
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: that the family of the Idaho the four Idaho students

464
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: that were slaughtered, one of the family members said, well,

465
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, it was very quick. They don't have time

466
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: to really feel anything. I think we tell ourselves that

467
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: to make ourselves feel better, because I don't want to

468
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: think about my fiance Keith lying there in pain, knowing

469
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: that he's dying, not being able to move or call

470
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: out for help because nobody's there, and I wonder about that,

471
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: and then I always say, well, you know, you probably

472
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: didn't feel anything, because it's easier to think that to

473
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: go about your day. Just like in Layla's case, it's

474
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: easy to say, oh, this little team girl at a

475
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: birthday party, she didn't really feel anything. It was just

476
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: like one moment she's here, one moment she's gone. That's

477
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: not true. Let's just talk about the truth. I mean, Nancy,

478
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: can you imagine the fear first of all, that she

479
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: felt because she was shot running out of the house

480
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: or whatever the venue was, So there was fear inside

481
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: of this place. She's running out and then she gets shot,

482
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, nobody can convince me that it doesn't

483
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: hurt to get to have a bullet go through you.

484
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if we cut ourselves, it hurts. For God's sake,

485
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: it had to hurt for some period of time. But

486
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: you're exactly right, Nancy, pull are going. We have to

487
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: do what we can to protect our memories and to

488
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: and to try not to feel the amount of pain

489
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: we are feeling at this little girl's loss. And so

490
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: what do we do We come up with things like that.

491
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: And let's not blame the parents either in this regard. Guys,

492
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: like I said, these parties go on everywhere around Atlanta,

493
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: and we I mean, it's sad to say, but do

494
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: you always know where your children are going? Well, for me, yes,

495
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know about everybody else. Yeah, I know

496
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: where they are right now. I know where they were

497
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: last night and the night before that. I know what

498
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: they're wearing. Nancy, Can I jump in? Yeah. I think

499
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: one of the most important things is going to be

500
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the timeline when he the shooter was escorted out of

501
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: that party. How long was he gone before that he

502
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: came back and was shooting. That's going to give them

503
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: a parameter that he left there was back in fifteen minutes,

504
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: forty minutes, an hour and a half whatever it was,

505
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: and that'll give you an area of how long it

506
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: took him to go get this fool accomplice and a

507
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: gun and come back. Well if what if that was

508
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: just another party goer and the gun was in the

509
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: car and they had to work theirself their courage out again,

510
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: the timeline will tell you that maybe maybe I usually

511
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: agree with you, but I don't know if I do

512
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: this time. But yes, that is a very valid, very

513
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: valid supposition. But I don't get it's why a fifteen

514
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: year old girl at a birthday party of hundreds, hundreds

515
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: of high school students. They can't id the killer. He

516
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: was at the party and got thrown out, or at

517
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: least that's the working theory. There is a man hunt

518
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: going on right now for the shooter of Leila Hair.

519
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: It's just fifteen years old at a high school party.

520
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Sargeant Julia Isaac. An individual was

521
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: escorted off of the property. He came back with an

522
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: accomplice and he shot up the location. I'm assume at

523
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: the point that everybody was scattering and running. She was

524
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire. At this time, the investigators are

525
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: following all leads, so that will include us trying to

526
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: look for any video that's available. I just want to

527
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: say if anyone knows what happened, if they have any information,

528
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: to please come forward. Someone at the party should know

529
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: who he is. We're still following leads, so it's still

530
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: in the preliminary phases at this time. Brendon Wilcox sumes

531
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: the business next door He's been worried about parties like

532
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: this before because at two, three, four o'clock in the morning,

533
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that there's teenagers still hanging out often here

534
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: the conversations, and it's like, man, something can happen at

535
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: any given time. Now with another life lost to gun violence,

536
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: community leaders in Clayton County stay, change can't wait. We

537
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: need to come together and rise up in unity. We

538
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: need to go back to the days where the neighbors

539
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: see your child, they're calling the parents. It starts at home.

540
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: Clayton police believe students from across several Metro Atlanta high

541
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: schools attended Saturday's party, and they believe someone knows who

542
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: the shooter is. And now we have police begging for

543
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: help to identify the shooter. You know, I find it

544
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: really heart to bely Rob de Rienzo that nobody knows

545
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: who the shooter is. I mean he was thrown out

546
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: of the party, or at least that's the working theory,

547
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: isn't it. Well, yeah, that's exactly right. And it's important

548
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to note that we obviously don't know what investigators have

549
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: in their back pocket and what they're working on behind

550
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: the scenes. Well, they just issued a public play for

551
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: the idea of the shooter, so that tells me they

552
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: don't know who he is yet. Yeah, and it's important

553
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: to note that they're you know, hopefully scouring social media

554
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: and trying to track down the source of this post

555
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: that circulated the invite, and then obviously any videos or

556
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: any fallout from the shooting. So that's all going to

557
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: be part of their work. But I think Bruce touched

558
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: on it a little while ago. This niche mentality is

559
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: pretty endemic, especially among young people here in Atlanta, or

560
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: they don't they don't want to say anything, even if

561
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: they have videos of the events, even if they know

562
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: exactly who did it. They're afraid of being called a

563
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: snitch or having a target on their back. You know,

564
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: my son told me in the third grade, you're never

565
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: gonna blame this show. I'm third grade. Snitches get stitches,

566
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: I said, if where did you hear that? He didn't

567
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: tell me. They didn't want to tell me because he

568
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: didn't want to snitch. Snitches get stitches. I mean it's

569
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: ingrained in young people brace scraggs. I think you're right.

570
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I wish people would truly understand that these kids are

571
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: really being silenced, not just here in Clayton County. There

572
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: was another player of vigil that happened in the Cab County.

573
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: A guy walked up up at the prayer of Visual

574
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: and shot and kill somebody. Everybody saw it happened, having

575
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: them knew him. Nobody said a word. Nobody said a word.

576
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: There's some commandments that go along with these kids, the

577
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: commandments of violence. I keep telling you, bashiell not snitches

578
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: the first one. It's not the only one, but it's

579
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: the most important one. Bashil handle by business. Bashiel do

580
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: what I gotta do. That shall be no pump, that

581
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: shall carry a pistol. These other commandments that these young

582
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: people believe in. They don't believe in the commandments of

583
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: the Bible like we grew up to. Let me ask

584
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: you Bruce Greggs. Bruce is the executive director of Oppression

585
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: Correct Start. Where are teens, young teams and younger guns?

586
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Where are they're getting these guns? Yes? Well, let me

587
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: say this when when first of all, when the the

588
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: law came about that that you could carry to have

589
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: a permit to carry in Georgia, what that translated everybody

590
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: needed to have a gun. So you got mothers providing

591
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: guns for their fifteen, twelve, thirteen year old kids. Everybody

592
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: has a gun. Then you've got these kids who continuously

593
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: are out under control, not being being properly supervised, that

594
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: break into these cars, and these games are paying them

595
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: to get these guns. Okay, hold on right there, I

596
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: think you're right about that. Take a listen to our

597
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: cut thirteen Sergeant Isaac. I just asked that the parents

598
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: know where their teenagers are. We get multiple reports a

599
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: week of juveniles running away or sneaking away from home,

600
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: and then they're coming back a couple of hours later

601
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: or days later. It also it's like a revolving door

602
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: because we do have mostly teenagers that break into cars.

603
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: If they see guns inside of the cars, they're gonna

604
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: break the window to get that gun. And in turn

605
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: they use that gun to commit another crime. It's a

606
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: full circle. If we can take all of our belongings

607
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: out of the car, maybe they won't steal the guns.

608
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: If we keep our kids and pay attention to them

609
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: and keep them home, know where they are, maybe they

610
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: won't sneak out to break into someone's car. You know,

611
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything the sergeant just said and agree with it,

612
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of taking the focus off

613
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: the fact that they can't find the killer. So it's

614
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: back on the parents. Wild parents, you should watch your children.

615
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: They need to be finding the killer. They've got a bullet.

616
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Can they not trace the bullet back to a known

617
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: gun in the ballistics database? Waiting to find out about that?

618
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: They can't tell me that no one has a picture

619
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: of the perpet that party. Nobody knows who is invited,

620
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: nobody can identify who was thrown out. All of that,

621
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: every bit of it is a lie. But I want

622
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: to follow up on what Bruce Griege just says. Try McCollum.

623
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: It is true. Juveniles, and I've seen this as as

624
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: a prosecutor, are asked to do crimes so the adult

625
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: doesn't face a stiff penalty, Like you give a twelve

626
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: year old dope to go sell in the corner, so

627
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: the twenty five year old supplying the dope won't go

628
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: to jail. The twelve year old will get three weeks

629
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: in as UV jail for Pete's sake. So explain about

630
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: the stealing the guns. Okay, And again that's nothing new.

631
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: This has happened since Clinton was president and the three

632
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: strikes you're out came about. Everybody started using juveniles to

633
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, run their business is criminal. So what happened

634
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: is every single time you have an entering auto, pretty

635
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: much the center console and the glove compartment is open. Well,

636
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: that's just telling you they're only looking for one thing,

637
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: and one thing only. They're not looking for computers and

638
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: things like that. They're looking for guns. In Georgia, an

639
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: illegal gun is going to bring you about two hundred bugs,

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Speaker 1: but in New York it's twelve hundred. So if you

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Speaker 1: can get fifteen or twenty teenagers out there, they're only

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Speaker 1: going to go to juvenile if they're called. And they

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Speaker 1: can get you seventy five guns and you drive them

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Speaker 1: up to New York, that's a good day. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good day. But you know, when you start investigating

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Speaker 1: a murder, and this is a murder, we have to

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Speaker 1: find out everything we know about the victim, what is

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Speaker 1: connecting her to the killer? If anything, what's making this

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Speaker 1: case so difficult to solve is that we now believe

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Speaker 1: this teen girl, Lela Harris, had no connection to her killer,

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Speaker 1: much as we're seeing in the ida A student killings.

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Speaker 1: When there's no connection between the victim and the killer,

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Speaker 1: it's much harder to solve. It's a needle in a haystack.

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Speaker 1: But straight out to you, Daryl Cohen, this is absolutely

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Speaker 1: a murder case. Why it could have been argued the

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Speaker 1: defendant was angry from for getting thrown out of the

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Speaker 1: party and that he acted in anger, which could if

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Speaker 1: a defense attorney got the right Jorry, reduce it down

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Speaker 1: to voluntary manslaughter. But here we have a cooling off period,

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Speaker 1: explain Nancy. It goes from murder to voluntary manslaughter if

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Speaker 1: there is no cooling off period, and that's only a perhaps.

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Speaker 1: But here our shooter, whoever he was, and I assume

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Speaker 1: it say he was removed from the party, came back

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Speaker 1: some time later. May have been thirty seconds, may have

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Speaker 1: been thirty minutes may have been an hour and shot

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Speaker 1: up the place. The fact that our victim was not

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Speaker 1: necessarily his target doesn't mean he's not guilty. It means

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Speaker 1: he's guilty of murder. And let me say this, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: teenagers talk. They're going to find him in a week

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Speaker 1: or two, because too many people who saw nothing are

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Speaker 1: suddenly going to be talking to their friends talking about

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Speaker 1: who he is. Or I'm not interested in ballistics yet,

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in eyewitnesses, and I think you will find

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Speaker 1: that they will talk and he will be apprehended fairly shortly.

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Speaker 1: For those of you asking, there was no Surmilli's video

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Speaker 1: at the scene of this birthday party, this so called

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Speaker 1: birthday party. If you know or think you know anything

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Speaker 1: about the murder of this young girl, Laela, please dial

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Speaker 1: seven seven zero four seven seven three seven four seven

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Speaker 1: seven four seven seven three seven four seven. Now I

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Speaker 1: learned on day one arguing to a jury, you are

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Speaker 1: never allowed to put a jurar in the place in

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Speaker 1: the shoes of the victim. But just think about it.

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Speaker 1: What if this were your daughter at a birthday party,

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Speaker 1: coming home in a box and no one has been apprehended.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,