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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, I am Trerika fosterter Brasby.

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Speaker 3: What's up, Y'all's your girl?

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Speaker 2: Cheryl swoops And this is the Levels to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we share that it is

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Speaker 2: levels to the ship that women go through and we

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Speaker 2: have got such a great and fun show, an informative

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Speaker 2: show today more I think today's show is more informative

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Speaker 2: than anything.

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Speaker 3: But I think I think today's show really.

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Speaker 1: Is going to talk about the levels of shit that

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Speaker 1: we really really really really like.

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Speaker 2: I think like today you really about to see the

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Speaker 2: shit that we go through. However, before we get there,

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Speaker 2: Number one, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I think I'm good?

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Speaker 1: No, let me rephrase that, I'm actually great because I

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Speaker 1: woke up this morning. Hell, ye in a good space

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Speaker 1: all of that, So I'm great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm kind of in a very like mellow

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Speaker 1: mood or space where I'm just not really letting shit

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Speaker 1: bother me right now.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good feeling. I too kind of feel

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Speaker 2: like this is that time, like this is that time

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Speaker 2: of year where like I'm on the go, so I

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Speaker 2: can't think about stuff. But but but it's also like

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Speaker 2: the older I get, the more I'm just like okay,

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Speaker 2: like that like that okay answer where it's like okay

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Speaker 2: or you know, and keep it moving and keep it moving.

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Speaker 4: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: Like there's so many different ways to phrase the word okay,

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Speaker 2: get to me, whatever emotion that you're in, Like that's

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Speaker 2: where I am. I'm in my okay phase, like okay.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, something that did make me be like okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm there, So.

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Speaker 2: There are different levels to okay. Off, there are there

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Speaker 2: are levels to okay. Right, There's that like my husband

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Speaker 2: getting on my nerves. So then I'd be like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, okay, that's the that's the shut the hell

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Speaker 2: up talking to me okay okay. But then it's the

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Speaker 2: you know, your girl come in, she got her little

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Speaker 2: was the surprise okay, Like oh okay, and so what.

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Speaker 3: Was that one for? What was that one.

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Speaker 2: For So, I was sitting in my office minding my business, honey,

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Speaker 2: And so the like the way that my office sits

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Speaker 2: is it sits above my deck, so I can see

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Speaker 2: my backyard and everybody in my surrounding neighbors is backyards.

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Speaker 2: And as I'm looking outside, like, as I see something

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Speaker 4: I pull back that dad on shade.

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Speaker 2: And so at least like six chickens just in the backyard.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, I do not live in the country.

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Speaker 2: I don't live in a rural area. I live in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the city of Hartford. And it's just chickens,

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Speaker 2: just I mean, agent, it's my look, six or seven

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm so glad you explained that, because when I

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Speaker 1: I think I knew that you didn't live in the country.

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Speaker 1: But let me just say this, in fairness to your neighbor, girl,

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Speaker 3: You might want to get cool with your neighbor.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you your egg that could be your

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Speaker 2: This I was really sitting here like, now, how do

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Speaker 2: But if you need an egg to cook anything around here,

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Speaker 3: Well listen, you got you got a neighbor that hasn't.

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Speaker 2: So my neighbor has them.

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Speaker 3: It really is. Like the grocery prices are out the roof. Seriously.

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Speaker 1: I told my husband other day, I said, I feel

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Speaker 3: That shit cost me four hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: I was like, baby, order all the chickens we'd eat too, cause.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm a I am one that will tell you.

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Speaker 2: I am an avid delivery girl. Like I never was

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Speaker 3: Okay, why doing that for me?

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Speaker 2: Just because going to the grocery store where her was

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Speaker 2: I'm about the name from Detroit grocery stores. She would

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Speaker 4: Collars, real quick.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool, now here, I am playing my little

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Speaker 2: Sega Genesis. You didnet interrupted my Mortal Kombat to go

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Speaker 2: Why because we Didnet went to Imperial Pick and say,

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Speaker 2: Pharma Jacks. Now, ad Now you got to go fifteen

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Speaker 4: I'm sick of it. We're such sick of it, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but tee, I'm that person that I have to

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Speaker 1: pick my well when I was doing vegetables, right, but

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Speaker 1: I don't have to do that. But even fruit, I

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Speaker 1: Last thing I'm gonna say on this because we have

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know if.

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Speaker 1: If your mom did it, like if y'all did the

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Speaker 1: On Friday night, my mom would get the newspaper, Wow,

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Speaker 1: the newspaper and goes all the garage sales. She would

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Speaker 1: I would get up with her because I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's garage sale day, it's grocery shortday, it's all the things.

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Speaker 1: So I got to go. But I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: the worst thing about the garage sales. My mom would go.

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Speaker 1: She would buy a jersey right and it had whoever's

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Speaker 1: it was Gonzalees or Smith.

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Speaker 4: You know where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: She is buying this jersey like, oh, this would be cute,

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Speaker 2: but that's not my last name. That's not my name,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was wearing it. Here you go put

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Speaker 2: this on were at the school. I was like, Mama,

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Speaker 2: funniest thing. Mamas don't get that mamas don't get that.

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Speaker 2: Mamas don't get that. I'ma I'm gonna close the conversation

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Speaker 2: a Saturday that we would also go to the farmer's market.

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Speaker 2: And the farmer's market used to have the corn right

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Speaker 4: Like super huge, big old like trailer.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much it looks like the back of a like

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Speaker 2: she ain't never called She didn't call me Terrika when

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Speaker 2: she wanted something like this. She calls my middle name,

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Speaker 2: she said, Michelle. Michelle. The hell do this?

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Speaker 2: Won't I'm like what I do? I'm like, well, if

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I'm minding my business. I'm

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Speaker 2: probably over here trying to get some peanuts or some grapes,

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Speaker 2: because you know you can try stuff at the farmer's market, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm over here getting my grapes and stuff. She talking about, Nachelle,

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Speaker 2: This is my grandmother. She about five too, so I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking she just needs me to reach No she wants

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Speaker 2: me to climb my ass in this wagon and shook

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Speaker 2: this corn because if you take the either, if you

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Speaker 2: take the stuff off the corn, you can get more ears.

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Speaker 4: In the bag.

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Speaker 2: And it was like, you can get a bag with

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Speaker 4: So she just got me.

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Speaker 3: That's why you were there.

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Speaker 4: I ain't going.

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Speaker 2: That is exactly why I don't go no more, because

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Speaker 4: That's so funny, singarette.

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Speaker 2: So we told you guys that this was going to

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Speaker 4: We call her Molly. Hey, Molly, Hey, what up? Molly?

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Speaker 1: Listen, Tee, I know you said your sorority sister free

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Speaker 3: This is why I can't wait until she goes through it.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I like to say that perimenopause

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Speaker 1: Here's why I think this is very important, Okay, And

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Speaker 4: First, I just want to let everyone know I am

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: So here's the age range that we have for perimenopause, menopause, postmenopause.

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Speaker 4: changing because I was like, that'll make no sense. I

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00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: was like, what is this coming from? Like what is

435
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 4: really happening to me? And then one day I walked

436
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: out of the gym and I just started crying and

437
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm depressed, Like I'm really really depressed.

438
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 4: And I sat in my car and I was just bawling,

439
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 4: and I kept saying, God, what is wrong with me?

440
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: I have a husband, my children are healthy, I have

441
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: a thriving practice, I have great friends, I have support.

442
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 4: And then it clicked. I was like, call your supports.

443
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 4: And my girlfriend said, I want you all that research

444
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: you're doing, you don't think it's you. And I was

445
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: like mm, hmm, because how could it be me? Now

446
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: Here are some of the things that we really mixed up.

447
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 4: I'm on an IUD. Some women have a hysterectomy, but

448
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: their ovaries are still there, right, so they may have

449
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: one or both ovaries. If your ovaries stopped producing estrogen, right,

450
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 4: whether you have one or both, but you had you

451
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 4: had your uterus taken out, you're still your body is

452
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 4: still producing estrogen until it stops. And that's the other thing.

453
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: So there's a whole other side to all right, well

454
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: I had a hysterectory, I should be good. Well no, no,

455
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 4: So I just kept doing this research and looking in

456
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 4: and I found not a lot, not what I wanted

457
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: to find, because women's health do not get as much

458
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 4: research as men's health. And remember whenever they put out,

459
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: for the most part, unless it says it's a it's

460
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: women's health, it's women's it's research for women's health. It's

461
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: normally based off of a man. Is normally based off

462
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: of a male. So things like, oh, well, after surgery,

463
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: take an aspirin to reduce blood clots, there's no research

464
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: that tells us that women benefit from taking a pill

465
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: to reduce aspirin to reduce blood clots or just moving

466
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: on from there. So I didn't find a lot of

467
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 4: research about women, and I really had to dig for

468
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: women or research for menopause women's health, and that's when

469
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: I started to find it. And then I looked up

470
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: I started digging into that, and there's only nine percent

471
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: compared to the rest of the research. So this would

472
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 4: be something that since we're talking about and we make

473
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: up half the workforce this age rage now people are

474
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: starting to research probably in the last five years.

475
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: Wow.

476
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, t let me add one thing. So it's more

477
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: of a question because I know you're talking about the

478
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: research for women. Do you or have you found that

479
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: it's even different for black women.

480
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, So it's not so different in terms of

481
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: like our bodies, we may start our periods maybe six

482
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: months earlier than our white peers women. But when it

483
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: comes to healthcare, absolutely because historically doctors and it is written,

484
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: it is written in research. When women do the research

485
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 4: and they start to break it down that doctors have

486
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: thought and said, and this is not part of the

487
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: critical research that they publish. This is all the other

488
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: stuff that black women, women of color, we tolerate pain

489
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: differently we're more somatic. We complain about things that are

490
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 4: not really there. We have more mental health issues. Yes,

491
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: So when you go to your doctor, especially if you're

492
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: going about some of the issues that were menopause we're

493
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: talking about today, you might get turned away untild. You

494
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: probably need to go to a therapist, wow, a cardiologist.

495
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: Let's go and have you see a rheumatologist. You're complaining

496
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: about joint pain. Wow, and it's like, no one. What

497
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: they do is they take this idea. You walk like

498
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: a duck, you talk like a duck. You must be

499
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 4: a duck. Yep. But we're not taking all of the

500
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 4: information in. We need to consider your age, your history,

501
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: the things you're complaining about, and let's have you talk

502
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: to a objen.

503
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I have a question that's more so on the mental

504
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: health side, because I don't know if Cheryl, if you

505
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: felt like this when you were beginning to experience, you know,

506
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: entering the menopause stage. But I definitely heard you say like, no,

507
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: like this isn't happening, This isn't me like what you

508
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: were saying, Nope, that's not it.

509
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: It's not that.

510
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: What do you think attributes to the mental state that

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: we have as women that we don't want this to

512
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: happen right now, do you? Is it maybe because part

513
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: of your womanhood is the ability to have children or

514
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: to think that you can have kids, and then entering

515
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: this stage means that that's no longer a possibility. Like

516
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: what is the mental hurdle that women are facing or

517
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: that you think and Charlott will love your opinion on

518
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: this too, that it's so like no, like this can't

519
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: be like, this isn't what's happening. This can't be it

520
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: right because I feel like when we are talking about

521
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: entering puberty, as that's an example that you gave, I

522
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: feel like girls are like, dang, I can't believe I

523
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: started my period. But then there's a part of you

524
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: that's like, I feel like I'm a woman now, you know.

525
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: You know how you started to get a little different swag,

526
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: a little different attitude to you when you started to

527
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: feel like you were entering that stage, right, So, like,

528
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: what is it mentally that makes women feel or that

529
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: and your expertise makes women feel like this is a

530
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: part or a stage in life that they're a little

531
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: hesitant to want to actually face.

532
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: So before I go into my explanation. I would definitely

533
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: like to hear what you have to say, surel about

534
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: what your thoughts are.

535
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and it's with a lot of stuff

536
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: tea that you and I've talked about just as black women,

537
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: and then in our community, a lot of things that

538
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: we just don't talk about, right, we just deal with it.

539
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: So I kind of went through menopause or when I started,

540
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: like pair of menopause, I had no idea what it

541
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: was because my mom never talked to me about the

542
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: birds and the bees and all those things, and she

543
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: definitely never talked to me about menopause.

544
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: And so I didn't know what it was. But I

545
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: would tell you I've been going through this and knowing

546
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: a little bit more about it.

547
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I've been going through this now for almost ten years.

548
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I'll be fifty four on the twenty fifth, and I've

549
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: been going through this for almost ten years. Just a

550
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: lot of the different feelings and emotions and things. But

551
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: when it first started for me, and I'm probably gonna

552
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: cry because you know me.

553
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 3: I had no idea what it was.

554
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Right Like being the type of athlete I was, I

555
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: was always at a certain weight, I was always competitive,

556
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: I always felt good about myself, always had energy, like

557
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: whatever I want to do, I could do. So I

558
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: went through this phase of I hated my body.

559
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: First of all, I started gaining weight in places that

560
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: I've never gained weight before. So I was like, what

561
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: in the world is going on with me? So I

562
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 3: worked out and that didn't do it for me like

563
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: usually when I.

564
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: Worked out, like it gave me energy and it excited me.

565
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: And then I look at my body. I was like, Okay,

566
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I hated looking at myself in the mirror.

567
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get undressed in front of my husband.

568
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I started losing.

569
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: My hair, but I never went to a doctor.

570
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: I never went to a doctor for the fear of

571
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: what doctor Molly said. I was just afraid because I

572
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were going to tell me. I

573
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on, and it, honestly, for me,

574
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't until like three years ago when I

575
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: actually realized that what I'm dealing with, what I'm going

576
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: through is very normal when it comes to menopause, right,

577
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: But for me, I had all of these signs and symptoms,

578
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what it was. From hot flashes

579
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: night sweats and now here, I am like.

580
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: What the fuck.

581
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where my mind went, like, what the fuck

582
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: is going on with me? I finally went to a doctor,

583
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: a black doctor, a black female doctor, who said to me,

584
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: you're in menopause, and here are all the things that

585
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: you're probably going to go through because it's normal and

586
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: that's what we do. And so that's why when Tu

587
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and I were having this conversation, I was like, if

588
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this, I can't imagine how many other women

589
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: out there a black, white, brown, doesn't matter the race,

590
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: but in particular black women. I can't imagine how many

591
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: other black women out there are probably feeling the same

592
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: things that I'm feeling. Yeah, that's why this is important

593
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, and I still get emotional at times.

594
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet because you feel like your livelihood you're

595
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: losing your livelihood. So all of the symptoms that you mentioned,

596
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: the hair loss, there's so many other symptoms that we experience.

597
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: But I want to answer what the question you asked, Terika.

598
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: So historically, when a woman went through menopause, it's the

599
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: end of childbearing, and what do we connect women with

600
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: having kids having kids? Yep, right, reproduction the boobs, all

601
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: of that right, and back in the days, I want

602
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: to say in nineteen sixties there was a real movement

603
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: and we started doing some research on menopause. But prior

604
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: to that, it was like women were useless. After that,

605
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: you can't give me any children, like what are you

606
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: good for? And so I think that over time carried

607
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: on and that stigma like just really went over women

608
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: and like it ran us over. And then the other

609
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 4: thing was there was a movie with Holly Berrys and

610
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: I don't think people got what was happening to her

611
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: where they put her in an asylum. Gotica, it was Gothica,

612
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 4: another one, but it was about like it was like

613
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: post slavery, oh oh, and you're in an asylum. And

614
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: when I watched that movie years later, I was like,

615
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: I sid think she was going through menopause because everything

616
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: about her change. But here's here's the historical connection is

617
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: that women were told that we were hysterical. We had

618
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: all of these issues going on, mental health issues, and

619
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: they would put us on lithium. They would say go

620
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: lay down, go somewhere, or they would put us in

621
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: a in a saane asylum because now you're going to

622
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: the doctor, a male doctor who knows nothing about women

623
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: hormones and how we feel, and then they're giving us

624
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 4: the diagnosis. Walk like a duck, talk like a duck.

625
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: Must be a duck. Yeah, that's the problem. But today

626
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: we got a whole different kind of woman, where a

627
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: different generation. We're smarter, we want we're not taken. You

628
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: walk like a duck, talk like no, no, no, no no,

629
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: there's something else going on with me. I need help

630
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: and schul You're right. Our parents didn't talk about it.

631
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: No one talked because, you know what, people didn't talk

632
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 4: about those things, especially when it came to mental health.

633
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: And then when you couple that with your body feels

634
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: like it's breaking down. The first thing I thought, I

635
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: was like, I am so fatigued, Like every day I'm tired.

636
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: I got scared because years ago my husband was diagnosed

637
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: with cancer and he was so tired. He was tired.

638
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 4: Was like, I don't know what's wrong with me, Miley,

639
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: I'm really tired. And I was like, oh Lord Jesus,

640
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 4: what if I have cancer. See, my body is tired.

641
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: My hair was brittle and dry, my skin was dry.

642
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: It did the elasticity of my skin was gone. Like

643
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: I felt like I couldn't really eat like I used to.

644
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: I wanted like everything salty and savory. My cholesterol was up.

645
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: So here's the connection with all that estrogen. What happens

646
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: when we go through perimenopause, menopause postmenopause is your ovaries

647
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 4: start to produce estrogen at a declining rate, like it

648
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: declines so rapidly it almost feels like you're well. It

649
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 4: feels like you're losing your mind. And estrogen is responsible

650
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 4: for so many things in the body, the entire body. So, Cheryl,

651
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 4: you mentioned stiffness, joint pain, soreness. There are estrogen receptors

652
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: and are in every major joint area of our body,

653
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: our shoulders, our elbows, our knees, our hips. Estrogen is

654
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: also an anti inflammatory hormone, so you when you feel

655
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: lethargic and sore, like after you're an athlete, you're used

656
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: to working out, You're used to doing all these things,

657
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: so then with this estrogen depletion, you feel like you

658
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: can't bounce back the way you used to. Estrogen is

659
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: also responsible for your sleep hormone elatonin, so you don't

660
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: sleep so well. It's also responsible for regulating systems It's

661
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 4: responsible for serotonin, so you start to feel depressed and anxiety.

662
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 4: It also is responsible for the secretion of cortisof this

663
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 4: is why we gain weight around in our stomach areas.

664
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just up sit ups, just doing different things right,

665
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: and I can't get rid of this. It started out

666
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: as a little pole bowl, but she a lot bigger

667
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: now and it acute. So is estrogen also have something

668
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: to do with like helping with our emotions because I

669
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: went through the whole thing of depression and I still

670
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: even have moments where like, like I just don't want

671
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: to get out of bed, and it's not because I'm

672
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: sick or like, it's the whole menopause thing I feel like.

673
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: So it does because estrogen not only is it an

674
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 4: anti inflammatory, but it impacts serotonin. And serotonin is that happy,

675
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: mood stabilizing chemical that we have in our body. It

676
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: is when the neurotransmitters. Like it's like if you're outside

677
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: playing with your kid and you're throwing the ball right, well,

678
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: the serotonin it goes one way, you catch it, you

679
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 4: throw it back. What's happening is being thrown and nobody's

680
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: on the other side to catch it. You fell off balance.

681
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: So like estrogen helps with mood stabilation regulation, it helps

682
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: with serotonin, the neurotransmitters that stabilize your moods, and lower

683
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: estrogen leads to mood swings. It impacts your cognitive functioning.

684
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: You feel like you can't content and trade. You have

685
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: memory lapses, difficulty sleeping, brain fog. It also helps with sleep.

686
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: There's anxiety because the decrease of estrogen and packs your cortisol,

687
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: you're serotonin, your dopamine. I mean, it impacts everything. And

688
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: so when we go to the doctor and we're saying,

689
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: like I'm feeling all these things back to the DUP,

690
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: they say, well, this sounds like your emotional well being

691
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: is falling apart. You need to see a therapist. So

692
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: can you imagine as a therapist, I see so many

693
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: women and they're coming with all these symptoms, and I'm like, Okay,

694
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: you're forty seven years old. Here's what makes me think menopause.

695
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: Are we perimenopausal? It's a sudden onset, even if you

696
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 4: had a history of anxiety, depression and all that. But

697
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: it's just like it's just so bad right now. It's

698
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: just getting increasingly worse and I'm like, well, tell me

699
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: about what it was like before and tell me what

700
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: it's like now. And what women are telling me is

701
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: the same thing that you're saying. So here's the first

702
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 4: question I ask after we establish that. First of all,

703
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: I want you to go see your obi jin. I

704
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 4: want you to get some blood work done. Let's look

705
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: at where your hormone levels are. I kid you not.

706
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: There has not been one woman yet that has come

707
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 4: back and their hormone levels are stable or at the

708
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: proper level where it's like, no, you're not in perimenopause

709
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: or menopause. Rarely do I ever meet a woman who

710
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: has had all these symptoms. They share their blood work

711
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 4: and they're in full menopause. I'm like, you would have known,

712
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: like something is going on pretty significant in your body.

713
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: Most women, all the women i've worked with, perimenopause. Here's

714
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: the thing. The beautiful thing is, you don't have to suffer.

715
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: There's hormone replacement therapy. There's medication to help us. It

716
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: will help reduce the bulge in our stomach, the inflammation

717
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: in our body, the cognitive fog, the sleepless nights. It'll

718
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: help with night sweats, it will help with joint paint,

719
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: you name it, there's help.

720
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: And I bet you that's not something that they talk

721
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: about regularly or that they share regularly, because, of course,

722
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 2: as it relates to women, you know, and in narrowing

723
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: it down black women specifically, but just the inequities and

724
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: disparities that lie in healthcare coverage, I'm quite sure that's

725
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: not something that's just automatic. Like when I see commercials

726
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: on TV about all types of take this medicine for allergies,

727
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: take this for if you've got this type of cancer,

728
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: if you've got blah blah, blah blah. I don't think

729
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: I've ever seen a commercial or anything that's saying, hey,

730
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: if you're a woman that's dealing with menopause or pair ofmenopause,

731
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: here's a medication that you can consider. Ask your provider

732
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: about blah blahlahlah blah. It's like it's heavy, it's like

733
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: it's intentional.

734
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: Well, there's some fear around hormone replacement therapy, but there's

735
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: also some information that was wrong when it comes to

736
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: hormone replacement therapy. So like back in the nineteen sixties,

737
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: there was this amazing study that came out. I wish

738
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: I couldn't remember the name of the study, but they

739
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: had a very large pool of women. Here's the problem

740
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: with the study. Here was the problem is that the

741
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: pool of women were mostly in their late fifties, but

742
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: I believe the majority of them were in their sixties.

743
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: Problem number one, most people, most women start menopause perimenopause

744
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: in their forties. So you have all of these women

745
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: in their late fifties and steadies, they're already past that. Yeah, right.

746
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: Problem number two. So this study was to see how

747
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: synthetic and animal mostly horse equine hormones like estrogen and

748
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: progesterone and testosterone would pack our bodies, Like how would

749
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: it help? And it helped in so many ways. It

750
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: helped with the reduction of cholesterol, pain, sleep, reduction of

751
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 4: hot flashes to no more hot flashes, reduction of weight,

752
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: a better able to maintain our weight, the risk of

753
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: heart disease, osteoporosis, bone density. Right, So here's a not

754
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: so fun fact that we all need to know.

755
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: It.

756
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: If you have bone loss from aging, right, but you

757
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 4: have low estrogen, and let's say your bones are porous

758
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: and spongy, right, and you fall and you break your hip.

759
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: For women, the increased risk of death in the in

760
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: the year is like triple that of a man. Wow,

761
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: because we don't have the estrogen to help reduce inflammation

762
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: and then all of those other diseases that are impacting

763
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: in our bodies. So you're right, you got it. You

764
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: want to keep moving, you want to eat healthy, you

765
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 4: want to do all these things, but if you don't

766
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: have the very necessary estrogen in your body to help

767
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: reduce bone loss. And most people women here osti operosas,

768
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I'm getting older. Yeah, I don't have

769
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 4: the estrogen. My bones are getting weaker. Right. A fall,

770
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: a break to your hit can increase your chances of

771
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: depth three times as much as a man. That's wild.

772
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: That's crazy, and.

773
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 4: Then your health lines for the rest of your life

774
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: if you healed. So the thing with the study that

775
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: those red flags the aged group of the women fear

776
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 4: was a connection to cancer. Okay, But here was the

777
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: other red flag about the study that I found very

778
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: very interesting. The increased risk of cancer due to taking

779
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: these hormone replacement therapies, whether they were synthetic or from

780
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: an animal, right, was zero point zero one. And the

781
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: people who were more at risk were people who already

782
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: were at risk, Women who were already at risk because

783
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: there was some sort of genetic connection with family, like

784
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: there's a history in their family of breast cancer. So

785
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: those women were a very small increase. But what happens

786
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: when media gets to some things, right, cancer cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer, cancer.

787
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 4: So when the sixties and seventies, doctors were like, we're

788
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: pulling you off this hormone even though it was working

789
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: for so many women. So when you're going through perimenopause

790
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: and you're you're gone months without a period, and your

791
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: hormones are shifting because of the decrease in estrogen, and

792
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: you're having all of these side effects mentally and then physically,

793
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 4: and then what happens is you're like going to your doctor.

794
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: They are not properly educated on the trials, the research

795
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: how to help women. So you have to be your

796
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: own advocate. And I decided, I was like, oh, I

797
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: did research for years, this is easy. I'm a woman.

798
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to do as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah,

799
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: So you do it, and you asked what are some treatments?

800
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: And then the other the last red flag that I

801
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: can remember that stuck out to me is a small

802
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: increase in cancer risk was a synthetic version of estrogen

803
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: coupled with progesterone, and so they found that when they

804
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: gave women estrogen without the progesterone, the risk of cancer dropped,

805
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: but the only increase was like not even one percent.

806
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 4: So we took all of these women off of hormone

807
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: replacement therapies and it helped them and then they were

808
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: without anything.

809
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Well for me because when I saw my doctor that

810
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, I can put you on

811
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: this medication.

812
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 3: We can do hormonal therapy, and.

813
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: I was just afraid, right, doctor Boley, based off of

814
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you just said, I was like, Okay,

815
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: well it might help with my night sweats and hot

816
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: flashes and this and that, But what other risks am

817
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I going to be taking if I decided to go

818
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: that route?

819
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: And what did they tell you?

820
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Well, no, it was a question I was asking myself

821
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: because what I told her was I needed to think

822
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: about it before I decided what I wanted to do.

823
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: And I'm still thinking about it because I ain't done

824
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: nothing yet. I'm just dealing with it.

825
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 4: So there's a database for women who are going through

826
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: perimenopause and menopause where you can connect to an expert

827
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: in the field of women's health who will provide you

828
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 4: with information on all of the hormone replacement therapies other

829
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: types of treatment that can help you. And I mean,

830
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: there is so much out there. There is suppositories, there's

831
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: transdermal patches, there's oral medications, there's did you say suppository, yes,

832
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: vaginal suppository. She said, Wait a minute, and alf I

833
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 4: have a list day.

834
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: I have nightmares from when I was a kid, and

835
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: my mom like put the pository.

836
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: Know that I'm gonna tell you that the nightmare would

837
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: be over if the medication, the replacement therapy is working.

838
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: Do share, Please do share?

839
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: And I am.

840
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing too, is you mentioned

841
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: that like you were weighing the risk just because you

842
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: personally were just like.

843
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: What other side effects?

844
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: And I just kind of feel like, and this is

845
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: just me throwing my two cents in, but it's like,

846
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: I think the risk reward is greater than what you

847
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: currently could be dealing with. Like maybe you know, you

848
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: try it and then if you wait and see what

849
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: the side effects are, right like because the side effect

850
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: might not even be something that is intolerable if anything

851
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: at all, right, versus kind of already being afraid of

852
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: what is unknown. Like you know, we had this discussion

853
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: previously that we're oftentimes afraid of the unknown, and so

854
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: we don't do something because we don't because we're scared

855
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: of what could possibly happen. But I mean, I think

856
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: the risk reward here is a little bit higher than

857
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: in some other scenarios where it's like, try it and

858
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: it may like it could very well be worth it

859
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: if it's working. And if it isn't working and it's

860
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: not like you got to stay on it, you can

861
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: very well stop it, you know.

862
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: So No, that's a great point. I do agree with you.

863
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: Here's what I want to say about that is the

864
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 4: loss of estrogen. It can be detrimental to our physical

865
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: and mental health. So one thing I experienced was frozen shoulder. Okay,

866
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: I was like, what is wrong with my shoulder? And

867
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: I love to lift weights. I'm a strength trainer. I

868
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: enjoyed it. And then one day I was doing snatches.

869
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 4: I was so proud of myself. I was like, oh

870
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm up to fifty pass.

871
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: Let's go, right.

872
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 4: I heard like I was feeling achy in my joys.

873
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: But I was like, girl, this part, this is part

874
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: of building your body. I was building an angela basset body.

875
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: That's what I'm okay, all right. Then I felt something

876
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 4: in my shoulder and then I couldn't unhook my bra

877
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: like within weeks. I was like, so it's my left shoulder.

878
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: I was like, why can't I reach back there? And

879
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: then I just I felt like I couldn't turn over

880
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: in bed, and I was like, something is not right

881
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: with my body. So I went to a doctor and

882
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: he was like, oh, yeah, we're gonna send you to

883
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: physical therapy, great, which which is great. He didn't ask

884
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: me anything else. He was like, let me look at

885
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 4: your shoulder. Let's see. He was like, he didn't say,

886
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: oh you this could possibly be frozen shoulder. Then I

887
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: got sent for multiple MRIs. Then I got a cortisol injection.

888
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: And I know a little bit about cortisol injections. I

889
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 4: was an athlete in high school and college. You do

890
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: not want to get too many of those because they

891
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 4: break down the tissue attendance right and you become weaker.

892
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: So then I said, listen, I don't know what's going

893
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: on with my shoulder, but I lost range of motion.

894
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 4: A researcher, I started researching, and then I was like, oh, wow,

895
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: this is connected to loss of estrogen. Why because we

896
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: have estrogen receptors in our joints and our major joints.

897
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: Wow.

898
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 4: And if you are not producing estrogen like you did

899
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: when you were before perimenopause, then inflammation starts reduction of motion,

900
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: all this stuff, and then you are more susceptible to injury. Yep,

901
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: what did I do? I tore my bicep tender. I

902
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: feel like I remember this. I remember this, and then

903
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: I was also feeling depressed. I didn't want to go

904
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 4: to nothing. I didn't want to I was just like,

905
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: I can't be out here like this because I feel

906
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: like I can't do anything. So I reached out to

907
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: my doctors. I was like, no more of this, no

908
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 4: more of this, and I wouldn't stop until someone took

909
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 4: me seriously, like I am going through all of these things.

910
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: I need help. And I was crying. Charyl. I was

911
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: on the phone with my doctor bawling, and I said,

912
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 4: I need you to help me.

913
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: I know I'm not crazy self advocation, man, I'm telling you.

914
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: We talk about this all the time having to advocate

915
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: for ourselves with things because folks will really try to

916
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: gaslight us, like we are losing our minds.

917
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

918
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: And then here's why it is incredibly important. Could you

919
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: imagine learning later that your estrogen levels are so low.

920
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: So I want to break this down. I want to

921
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: make it really simple so that everyone can understand this.

922
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: When we're born, say we're born with a million eggs,

923
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: we're born with more than that. Right, by the time

924
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 4: you hit your thirties, you have less than twenty percent,

925
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: let's say thirty of those eggs. Every year you have

926
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: less and less and less. That's why as women beyond

927
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 4: thirty try to get pregnant or you know, they're they're anticipating, oh,

928
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to have a baby, Like you know, don't

929
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: get pregnant as quickly as you would have in your

930
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: early thirties or your your twenties because you have less

931
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: egg Yeah. Right, So that means those ovaries are pumping

932
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: out not only less eggs, but the quality of the egg. Right.

933
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: We worry about all kinds of health issues when we

934
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 4: get pregnant, as they say, like, oh, this is like

935
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: you a late mom, right, because the quality of the

936
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 4: egg is different. Okay, you may get an egg, you

937
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: may you may be you're like wonderful eggs, but the

938
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 4: risk of having something go wrong with the pregnancy is higher. Now,

939
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 4: let's look at this also in terms of estrogen. What

940
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 4: I've learned is that by the time you in your

941
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 4: thirties and forties, you have like and you're going through perimenopause,

942
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: the estrogen levels are at like single digit percent in

943
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: your body, when prior to that you had so much

944
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: more estrogen like where your body. The inflammation would go

945
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 4: away quickly. You would, you would heal faster, you could

946
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 4: drink and recover the next day. Yes, ma'am, I'm drinking now.

947
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, I need that's not happening now, I need

948
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: a week.

949
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 4: I don't mess. I don't. I don't mess with alcohol

950
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 4: like I used to. You give me some Alcohol'll be

951
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 4: sleeping in the corner somewhere. True, I'm like, I know,

952
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: I care. I'm gonna tell you.

953
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you all how Sis fell asleep on

954
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: me in the club in the club. Cheryl were in

955
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: the club, and Cheryl, she's sleep in the club. Lolly,

956
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: wake up. Since it's music going on No. I need

957
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: the power now, Molly, I need Molly.

958
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: Listen, listen.

959
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: You and I can relate this one right here. Your

960
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: friends some day my friend, but right now she's your friend.

961
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

962
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait until this ship hits her because she

963
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna be sleeping in the club too.

964
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: But Moley, Moley, I fell asleep in the club though, sis.

965
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: Since fellas it looked, it popped up like it wasn't

966
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: ship popped up fifteen minutes.

967
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: To the big Did she pop up to the beach?

968
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: She was ready? I said, I probably did because in

969
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: my head I was like, that's to go. I love it.

970
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 4: Here's the important thing I want you, Sheryl and every

971
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 4: woman to think about. If I need estrogen to live

972
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: a vibrant, full life, right, and it has decreased so

973
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: drastically that I'm having issues with my mental health and

974
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: my physical health. I'm at risk for heart disease, bone loss,

975
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 4: a high cholesterol, frequent injuries. When Tarika said, you got

976
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 4: away the risk, it's a great point. Benefits reward benefits,

977
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 4: Right like if I took hormone replacement therapy, finding out

978
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: which kind of hormone do I need a little progesterone.

979
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: Do I need some estrogen?

980
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: Do I need a little bit of testos on? Like

981
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 4: your doctor can help you figure that out by doing

982
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 4: some blood work and doing it more frequently. Why would

983
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: you risk want to even risk not living a healthy life,

984
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 4: because see, we live longer.

985
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: Now now you're when you put it that way, it

986
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 3: that way.

987
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: I'm likes living to my nineties, okay. And I was like,

988
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to fall and can't get up. I

989
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: don't want to not be able to catch myself. That's

990
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 4: why I move all the time. I don't want to

991
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 4: get to this stage of postmenopause where I produce no

992
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: more eggs, no more estrogen, right yeah, and then I'm

993
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: more at risk for injuries.

994
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: Do you remember It's an OH School commercial, probably late eighties,

995
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: early nineties, but it was a lady with the button

996
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: in her house and she was like, I'm falling and

997
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: ikake it up with the budget. That has been my

998
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: greatest fear for forty years, that.

999
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna beat that lady that's like I can't get up.

1000
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: I realized that we probably have to start wrapping up

1001
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: at this moment. But there's one quick thing that I

1002
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: want to ask you before we do, because we have

1003
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot of men who listen and enjoy our podcast,

1004
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: and they may be dealing with a partner or a

1005
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: spouse or someone who is currently going through this. And

1006
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: I know Cheryl mentioned earlier about her husband and how

1007
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: he's like, listen, I gotta adapt to whatever you have, Chris,

1008
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: who had to kind of adapt to whatever it is

1009
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 2: that you're going through. And lord knows, Greg ain't be

1010
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: able to put up with my shenanigans when it becomes

1011
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: my turn. So what advice would you offer to the

1012
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: men in the lives of women who are going through this?

1013
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: How can they be advocates, how can they be supportive?

1014
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: What can they expect during this stage?

1015
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: And Doctor Molly, before you answer that, I want to

1016
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: add one other piece to her question, because that's a

1017
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: great question.

1018
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: Toe.

1019
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: I also would like for you to, I don't know,

1020
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: address or answer.

1021
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: The sex part of it, right, Like, my sex drive

1022
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: is like way down there, and I'm trying to not

1023
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: have it down there because I know that's like that's

1024
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: important in a marriage or relationship, and so I think

1025
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: it's also important that the men understand all the different

1026
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: things that a woman's body is going through when you

1027
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: use in this menopaulitty, this.

1028
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: Is going to cover so much. We do not have

1029
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: to suffer. You do not have to suffer with a

1030
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 4: lot libido, vaginal dryness, pain, night sweats, all that we

1031
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: do not have to suffer. We do not have to

1032
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: suffer with mood swings. What we need to do is

1033
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: see a doctor and then work with our obigin on

1034
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: what medications will work for us. And they are going

1035
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: to watch you closely, and you demand that. So before

1036
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: I get into to answering your question, Tarka, I just

1037
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: want to tell all the people who are watching this.

1038
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 4: When you go to your doctor, this is how I

1039
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: want you to go, and I want you to be

1040
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 4: fully prepared. I want you to get a little notebook

1041
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: and list all of your symptoms, the frequency, the intensity,

1042
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 4: and the duration when you notice these symptoms, the onset

1043
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 4: of these okay, when you experience them. I want you

1044
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 4: to put as much detail in there, physical, mental, okay,

1045
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: both of them. And then I want you to say

1046
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: to your doctor could I be in perimenopause. I want

1047
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 4: you to ask ask him or her that, Okay. Then

1048
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: I want you to ask for a blood test. I

1049
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 4: want you to say, I want you to test me

1050
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: to see where my hormone levels are, and then what

1051
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: possible treatments are there. There are treatments, get all of

1052
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: the get is do your research as well, but get

1053
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: the risk the like what are some of the side

1054
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 4: effects of taking these and what are some of the

1055
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 4: ways that I can take this medication? Because if you

1056
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 4: have little kids, you don't want to be walking around

1057
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: with with hormone cream on your shoulders and patches and

1058
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 4: stuff because you don't want those hormones to be absorbed

1059
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 4: into your children. So you have to think about your lifestyle.

1060
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 4: You know what you're doing if you have children. All

1061
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: of that, but start there because we do not have

1062
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 4: to suffer and a lot of times we lose our

1063
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: sex drive because of the drop it sestrogen, progesterone and testosterone,

1064
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to be like that. So to

1065
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: answer your question, Tarika, we have to have a conversation

1066
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 4: with our husbands and whoever else is living with us,

1067
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: our children and say, I believe I'm in perimenopause. I

1068
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: believe I'm at the stage in menopause postmenopause, and my behavior,

1069
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: how I'm feeling, my sex drive, my weight gain. These

1070
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: are all things that happen. This is a natural transition.

1071
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 4: And I love you. I love what we've built together

1072
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 4: and I don't want to lose that because we are

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 4: both not educated or we need some more resources to

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Speaker 4: figure out, like how do we get through this? Now?

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Speaker 4: I know we're talking about menopause, but there's something that

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: happens to men too. They get a dip in testosterone

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Speaker 4: and their bodies, but they don't want to talk about it. Oh. Yes,

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Speaker 4: they get a belly, their sex drive drops, it's harder

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Speaker 4: for them to build muscle. Like, this is natural. This

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Speaker 4: is a natural transition for us, right, But educating your family,

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Speaker 4: your partner, and advocating for yourself is how you're going

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Speaker 4: to get through this. That's a very good point. Yes,

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01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: it is your spouse you want to help, you know

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Speaker 4: why because it's gonna make his life easier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a very good point. This has been

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01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: a great conversation. I feel like we've only scratched the

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: surface because I just in my spirit, I feel like

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Speaker 2: there's so much more that we could have gotten into.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate you taking the time on this good

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: day to chat with me and my groscure old because

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a conversation that we've been wanting

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01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: to have on this show for a few months now.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very happy that we were able to do it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy that we were able to do it

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Speaker 2: with you, Molly, Doc. I'm so happy to even be invited, like,

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Speaker 2: thank you. I really appreciate it. I'm going to post

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Speaker 2: about menopause. I already named it menopause Monday, menopause minute.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.

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Speaker 4: And as a therapist, it is my job to educate

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Speaker 4: myself and do the research so that I can help

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Speaker 4: the families that I see. So I just want to

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Speaker 4: clarify I'm not a medical doctor. I'm a psychotherapist. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So I heard you. Sure, I know I kept calling

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Speaker 4: you doctor, doctor Molly.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 4: I love you, You're my doctor.

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01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: I was about to say I loved it like I

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: feel it, like doctor Field, like doctor the people you.

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Speaker 3: Know, like yeah. But I do want to say, can

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Speaker 3: you share that link with us? So if our listeners

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Speaker 3: want it, we can share it with them as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So where where I want people to go, there

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01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: is an expert in the field. She is a woman.

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Speaker 4: She's an obg on y N. Her name is doctor

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Speaker 4: Marie Claire Haber. She has the most extensive She's done

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: the most extensive research. She has a clinic, she has

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Speaker 4: a wellness program, diet, exercise, but everything is focused on

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Speaker 4: the menopausal woman. And she's down in Galveston, Texas. You know,

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Speaker 4: all you need to do is type in maryclare wellness

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01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 4: dot com or just put her name in on her website.

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Speaker 4: There is a way for you to meet with a clinician,

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Speaker 4: a mental health provider, a provider who is an expert

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Speaker 4: in menopause. There is the Galveston Diet where you can

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 4: learn more about what you need and how to eat

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01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 4: for yourself because we're all different, right, there's testimonials, you

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: can join a wait list, and I said so. She

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Speaker 4: also has a book out called The New Menopause. I

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Speaker 4: read that book twice. I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: I need to get this information. And I also started

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: looking up women in our area and women of color

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Speaker 4: who provide health care for people who are women who

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Speaker 4: are experiencing menopause.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: We just merryclear wellness dot com.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, found her on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it works for Cheryl because she's in Texas.

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01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: So like.

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Speaker 1: From Galveston. Oh wow, yeah, I listen at the levels

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Speaker 1: on America's number one network. Is your free heart part

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: of life.

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 4: We experienced it early the foster Pies and startless all

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01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 4: the way into our sixties. This is like thirty years.

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't have to for years.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: And do me a favor, Molly, and please share with

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01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: our audience where they can follow you so that they

1148
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: can get more of your tips and the information and

1149
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: the resources that you share. I know you're on TikTok.

1150
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: I know you're on Instagram. Please share with our audience

1151
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: where they can find you, so you can find me

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: at the Realmollismith dot com.

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 4: Okay, my name is spelled m A l e E

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 4: Ma Lee and TikTok YouTube, Instagram, And I'm always providing information.

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 4: I love working with women. I love helping families stay together,

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: especially families of color. It is really really important to

1157
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 4: build a legacy of love, family and connection. So yeah,

1158
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 4: I'm posting three times a week about mental health and

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: families and grieving families. So I love it.

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: See when we were talking about let me tell you,

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: how you have touched on so many things. And something

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: else that Cheryl and I were talking about that we

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: want to make sure we do a show is we

1164
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: were talking about what happens after grief, right, We were

1165
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: talking about having an episode on grief counseling and just

1166
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: dealing with that. And so there's so many things, girl

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: that I might be able to tap into you with.

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: But we just appreciate you making some time for us today,

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01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: my good sister, and so thank you. We look forward

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: to having you back on the show.

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Speaker 4: You're You're the best. Thank you, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: I know that we had to end that conversation because

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: truly it felt like we could have, Like there were

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: still so many other questions that that I wanted to

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01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: ask and that I know you wanted to ask. I

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01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: feel like we might need to do a part to

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Speaker 2: you episode.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that was just part one, because we

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: could have part two and three because it's just so

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01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: just so much. You see my shirt. My shirt says

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal woman. It does I want to find me one

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: that says menopausal woman. I know that's right to just

1183
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: to warn people this is what I'm going through, But

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01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: such a much needed conversation, A very important conversation and

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: to you know, the biggest thing for me is women

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,919
Speaker 1: in general, but especially in the Black community.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: There's so many conversations that we just don't have, that

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01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: we just don't talk about, and menopause is one of them.

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Speaker 1: And the unfortunate thing is we don't talk about it

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: because it's like taboo or it's like a bad thing

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: to do. But it is so important to be able

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01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: to find someone that you can talk to. I know

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: for myself personally, and you said, it just so refreshing

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: to be able to not only listen but also talk

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01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: to Molly and ask questions that I have. And I

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: hope that not just the women, I hope everyone that

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: listened to this, and you said it earlier, the men,

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Speaker 1: Like this is such an important conversation to really truly

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 1: understand all the different ways that menopause can affect a woman,

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 1: and not just in a physical way but emotionally mentally.

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Speaker 4: Yep, it takes a toll on you, for sure, it

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01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 4: definitely does.

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01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: And you know, to put a boat on this if

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: you are someone who is you know, going through or

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: have gone through menopause or in your postmenopause stage, and

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01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: you have other women in your life, like, maybe you

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01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: be the catalyst to start and open.

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was younger, people never even use

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Speaker 2: the word menopause around me. They would say going through

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Speaker 2: the change, Yes, going through the gosh. Yes, Like they

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Speaker 2: never even use the word menopause like I did. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the word menopause until like you're in school and you

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Speaker 2: have that class that goes.

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Speaker 4: Through but it's like a science cloth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a science class that talks about you know,

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Speaker 2: human anatomy or whatever. That's when I first heard the

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: word menopause. Other than that, it was just where you know,

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Speaker 2: she going through the change that I'm like, okay, what change.

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: So definitely to that point, we have to all be

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Speaker 2: catalysts to these taboo type conversations so that we can

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01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: all be better for it. And so with that, I'm

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: sure I will toss it back to you to level

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Speaker 2: us off a writer.

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Speaker 3: Right, such a great conversation for women, for men, for everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's Women's History Month, and you know I said,

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: every every week I'm going to give us something from

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 1: a different woman. But this one I saw on LinkedIn

1231
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: and it's not really a quote, but it just it

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01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: just hit me. Okay, so let me just read it.

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Speaker 1: People change, companies, evolve projects in, but a purpose that lasts.

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: So it said, attach yourself to what truly matters.

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: Don't attach yourself to the following a person, a project,

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: a company, an organization. Do attach yourself to a goal,

1237
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: a calling, a mission, and a purpose. So here's why

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: that kind of like really resonated with me, because I

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: think so many times we get caught up in like

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: wanting to attach ourselves to things or even to a person,

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 1: and so many times that person will.

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Speaker 3: Let you down.

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: It'll let he, she will let you down, your job,

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: a company like, those things will let you down.

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 3: But if you have a goal, you control that. A

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: call like what is the calling on your life?

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, to me, those are just things to think

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01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: about in a mission and a purpose. I don't know,

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: I just I saw that and I was like, Wow,

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: that was pretty deep for me.

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Speaker 4: So I love that.

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: I love that, And that's I think that's a great

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: segue to a future conversation about something that even I

1254
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: struggled with, and that was how who you work for

1255
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 2: your employer identifies who you are In some ways and

1256
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: how you break that, especially when I hear don't attach

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: yourself to a company, because I think so often. You know,

1258
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 2: you had to ask, I know I had to ask myself,

1259
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: like is it that I want to cover women's basketball

1260
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: or is it that I want.

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: To work here?

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: Because if I want to work here, that's one thing.

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01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: If I want to cover women's basketball, I don't got

1264
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:54,959
Speaker 2: to be here.

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01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 3: To do that fast and so and look at you now,

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: right right.

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: Right, So definitely a segue to a great conversation. I

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 2: absolutely love that for today. Thank you so much for

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: dropping that on as Shurel, and thank all of you

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01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: for listening and continuing to listen every week to Levels

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: to this. We will be back next week with more

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: next level conversations just about the real shit that we

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: go through as women. But remember this is an our show.

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: This is our show, and we want to hear from you.

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: So leave us a review in Apple Podcasts or email

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 2: us at Levels too this podcast at gmail dot com.

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: Tell us what you think of this week's show. I

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01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: am really going to be interested in what you think

1279
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: of this week's show and what you meant yes exactly,

1280
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: and anything that you may want to talk about next

1281
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: and please make sure you continue to follow us on

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: Instagram at ltt pod. But until then, keep your mentals

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Speaker 2: ground level and we will be back next week.

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Speaker 4: Bye guys.

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Speaker 1: Pease listen to Levels to this on America's number one

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Speaker 1: levels to this. Sheryl swoops in Rika Foster Brasbee and

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Speaker 1: start listening