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Speaker 1: dot com. Well, Jmack had some kid duty this past week,

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Speaker 1: just I mean really it was even you're talking hoops.

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Speaker 2: but you're pre show meetings the ability to allow I mean,

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Speaker 1: So I was saying this the other day. I think

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, I think the East Coast version

438
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: of the Niners is Miami. McDaniels runs largely Kyle's offense

439
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: tua like Purdy when he has time to throw and

440
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: decent movement, fills a very accurate ball. It's not that

441
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: I dislike Perdy. I just I see him as kind

442
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: of a b guy with an a coach.

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Speaker 2: It's well. The one thing though, I pushed back though,

444
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: is you know, Kyle, for an offensive guy, is a

445
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: tough guy. His teams have been tough. I mean last

446
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: year they lost games. They are tough. They've gone into

447
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: Green Bay, they've gone on the road, they go toe

448
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: to toe with the Eagles, they own the Rams. Mike McDaniel,

449
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: to me, is not a tough guy Kyle. You know,

450
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: his dad, Mike Shanahan, was a tough guy. He's a

451
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: tough guy. Mike McDaniels is not Vic Fangil laughed at

452
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: him and left.

453
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Speaker 1: So that is my take. So you beat me to it,

454
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: but it's my point is that a lot of times

455
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: you can take somebody's system in the NFL, but it's

456
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: to the players, respect to you. I mean, there's there's

457
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Bill Parcell's had it, Dan Campbell,

458
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel, there's an alpha. Just stand in front of

459
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of badass dudes, deliver a message and they

460
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 1: buy it. And Mike McDaniel and you know why he's

461
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: popular with the media. He looks like a sports he's

462
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: kind of small and quirky and clever and funny and

463
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not disputing his brain power. But when

464
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: I watched Miami, and I do think they have the

465
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: system and a comparable quarterback. I think two is more talented,

466
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: but he and pretty kind of share you know, don't

467
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: have huge arms, move enough, accurate, smart guys. But Miami

468
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: to me, you know, we were talking coaches on the

469
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Speaker 1: hot seat. Miami has a history of moving off people.

470
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Speaker 1: And the two years before Mike McDaniel got there, they

471
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Speaker 1: won I think nineteen games two years first two years

472
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Speaker 1: with him, they won twenty is that. I think a

473
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: lot of what he's selling is the Niners without any physicality.

474
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: They're not a physical team. It is just it's it's

475
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: ice cream cake, you know what I mean, Like there's

476
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Speaker 1: just nothing to it. It's just wasted calories. I think

477
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Speaker 1: McDaniel's to me for all the money they've spent. I

478
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Speaker 1: think he's in trouble in Miami.

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Speaker 2: With a bad year. Do you know the irony is

480
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: the guy they fired Brian Flores because he was awful

481
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: with offense, was an unreal defensive guy, and the team

482
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: was tough, and then the defense now stinks and their

483
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: offensive innovation, I mean it's stalled a little bit. If

484
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: you could combine those two, you'd have a real good

485
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: head coach, right, that's right. One thing, you know, I

486
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: remember talking to Kyle Uschek and like him and Kittle,

487
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: those guys loved Mike McDaniel right in the room. How

488
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: smart he was, how good he was. He was like

489
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: a savant with the run game. But it's kind of

490
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: easy to be close with the players and impress them

491
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: when you're an assistant coach, because it's not you're not

492
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: in charge of finding them or ever getting mad at them.

493
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: In the sense like the head coach or the boss.

494
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: So you kind of play a unique role, right, You're

495
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: like middle management, not the CEO, laying off everyone. No

496
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: one blames you, and then you become the guy at

497
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: the front of the room. And what happened last year?

498
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: Players were showing up late, and you and I have

499
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: talked about this. It's obviously not the majority of the

500
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: team because they can't afford to show up late. It's

501
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: the rich guys. Well, why do you think they want

502
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: to trade Jalen Ramsey? You think Jalen Ramsey respects Mike McDaniel, clearly,

503
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: not by actions. If he's not showing up one time,

504
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: that's trusting that every human being's late every once in

505
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: a while. But if you're constantly doing it, and Mike

506
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: even like, listen, my fine system doesn't work, they don't listen.

507
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: I also think there's an element to I do wonder

508
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, pat Riley runs a very very tight ship

509
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: with the basketball team. It's honestly, it's it's kind of

510
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: like a BELICHICKI and football operation. Then they've fallen off

511
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: a little bit because they've lost talent, But over the

512
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: course of twenty five years, they have been really, really successful.

513
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: I almost think you have to do that with the

514
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: football team to even have a chance with your disadvantages. One,

515
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: it's it's a unique city. These guys are all filthy

516
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: rich now in the NFL, there's a ton to do

517
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: when you factor in I mean, it's just gorgeous weather,

518
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: basically three sixty five. Oh it is.

519
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I've had I've had people in the league say GM

520
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins is hard. You have to you have

521
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: to draft maturity free agency. You can't go get the

522
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: flashy wide receiver with a big personality. It's like it

523
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work there. There's nothing. It's hard to get into trouble.

524
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: In Buffalo, you can get into trouble at noon.

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00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: In Miami it's like you can be like, well what

526
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: about La. I think La is much more spread out,

527
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: a little more low key, not nearly as crazy. A

528
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: lot of places shut down way earlier. There is no

529
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: time limit in Los Angeles or in Miami, a lot

530
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: like New York City. But none of the guys are

531
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: living in the city that play for the Jets or Giants.

532
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: They all live in the suburbs. So it's like you're

533
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: living in the heart of Miami. I wonder if you

534
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: can win there. It's like one of those places, like

535
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: some of these colleges where it's like you could say

536
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: the same thing for the University of Miami nowadays, Like

537
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: it's you're at a pretty big disadvantage with the NIL

538
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: paying these guys millions, Like are you ever going to

539
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: compete to win national championships? I don't know. And I

540
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: listen Mike McDaniel, I think they're going to be terrible.

541
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they got a chance to be really,

542
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: really bad. I mean that they are one two injury

543
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: away from losing every single game. Yeah, you can fire them,

544
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: but like, what's the owner going to do? Go after

545
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: like Kirby Smart because he's gonna want some sexy name.

546
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm shorting that French. It's a little bit

547
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: of a sexier version of the Cleveland Browns. And unlike

548
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: like the Cleveland Browns, at least Stefanski and Andrew Berry,

549
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: they would get both get hired. Like those guys are

550
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: high end. I would hire as my head coach, definitely

551
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: as my GM. The Miami thing feels like a couple

552
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: guys a little over their head, and like, honestly, you

553
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: could put John Lynch and Kyle there. I do think

554
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: they would have an uphill battle because, like you said,

555
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: the guys you need to the guys you need to draft,

556
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: the guys you need to sign. It's just difficult. Yeah.

557
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: And I also think, and this is a little bit

558
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: of the Sean McVay influence. So Sean McVay is young,

559
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, everybody wants to hire the

560
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: next Sean McVay. And so, you know, like like Cliff

561
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Kingsbury gets a job, and then Brandon Staley gets a job,

562
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: and then Mike McDaniels get a job. You know, these

563
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: younger guys can get jobs and they don't necessarily have

564
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: impressive track records, but McVeigh didn't, and it's a copycat league.

565
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: And then you find out how special mcveay is is

566
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: that it's almost like Russell Wilson got a lot of

567
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: smaller quarterbacks drafted. Well. Russell in his prime was about

568
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: as elusive as any quarterback up ever, not saying fast elusive.

569
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: He also threw a beautiful deep ball and had a

570
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: great run game in defense to support him, so he

571
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't get in a lot of shootouts. It was like

572
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: make two or three big throws late, and Russell Wilson did.

573
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: So I think this is what happens in the NFL

574
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and always have people copy and everybody.

575
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: Everybody knows.

576
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: It's moved to an offensive league, and you're just getting

577
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: a lot of like Brandon Staley. I don't think I've

578
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: ever seen anything like Brandon Staley. Like the media which

579
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: is pretty toothless in LA, it's pretty supportive for a

580
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: big market media. It's not a Boston or a Philly

581
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: where it's gnarly and angry, or New York or.

582
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: It's just big and loud.

583
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: So I think Mike McDaniels feels a little bit like

584
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: he was sort of in that Hey, that McVeigh wave.

585
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: I do think Zach Tator's decent, maybe not great, but

586
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a wave, and I think

587
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: you see that. I mean, people think about this John.

588
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: There was a point in the NFL where people were

589
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: hiking the ball to a running back the Wildcat and

590
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: even New England tried it.

591
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: For a while.

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00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, you can't hike the ball to a

593
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: running back. That's not a sustainable offense. So I think

594
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I feel like some of these young guys. Brandon Staley,

595
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: for sure. I think they've been undressed a little bit,

596
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: like the league's like they're not ready.

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00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Staley is a good example of someone

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00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: that almost was like trying to play the Ted Lasso

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00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: version like a character of a head coach. I mean,

600
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: he had been in the league for three or four

601
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: years before he got the job. It was a unique

602
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: situation in LA where it's twenty twenty. You know, they

603
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: have the one of the greatest players in the history

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00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: of the league in his prime. They have Jalen Ramsey,

605
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: they have a great defense, but it's not like he

606
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: had a long track record of running his own show.

607
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: And that's only half the team. And then, like you said,

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00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you become the head coach,

609
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: he was should never have been put in that situation

610
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Speaker 2: because to me, he's a little fraudulent in the way

611
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Speaker 2: he acts like he's not comfortable in his own skin,

612
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Speaker 2: so he tries to be a version of what a

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00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: head coach was gonna sound like. It's where I give

614
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the Shanahan guy's credit. You know, they

615
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: spent a lot of years around Kyle and even around Mike,

616
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Speaker 2: like it was a pretty intense environment. They're all like

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00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Matt Lafloor is very comfortable in his own skin. Kevin O'Connell,

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00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: who you know, not necessarily a Shanahan guy, but McVeigh

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Speaker 2: around the Grudens, but with Belichick, he's just a good

620
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: looking former quarterback, comfortable in his own skin. Obviously, mcveay

621
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Speaker 2: and Kyle are very and I think there's an element

622
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Speaker 2: you gotta be true, Like I think Mike McDaniel is

623
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Speaker 2: not putting on an act like that's he acted kind

624
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: of quirky and weird when he was with the Niners,

625
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: Like that's kind of who he is. I do think

626
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: that version is hard with players when you know, let's

627
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: face it, he looks a lot different than basically every

628
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: head coach. Uh and he's not a tough guy, so

629
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Speaker 2: you can't. To me, you can never fake toughness. It's

630
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: not like Sean McVay is some old school tough guy,

631
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: but in terms of his intensity, his attention to detail,

632
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: like that really resonates with guys you know, Dan Campbell,

633
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: the Tomlins, the Hardbuss It's easy for them to be

634
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: a tough guy because they are tough guys, right, So

635
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, you either have to implement it in the

636
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: way you practice, in the intensity in which you practice,

637
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: or you have to do it with your personality. And

638
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: that's where I think Mike is kind of lost in

639
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: no man's life. And listen, is GM I mean their

640
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: roster is not great, not helping them. You have to

641
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: have the right type players of the line of scrimmage.

642
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Speaker 2: I mean, when your offensive line is not good, it's

643
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Speaker 2: it's hard to be kind of a tough football team.

644
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Speaker 2: And then listen, they got a little unlucky, you know,

645
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Speaker 2: the Tua concussion thing, because if Tua just played, I

646
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Speaker 2: think they would be much more functional. But they're never

647
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Speaker 2: gonna be good, Like, how can you prepare to play

648
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Speaker 2: in ten degree weather when it's ninety degrees, you know,

649
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Speaker 2: in December. It's absolutely it's literally impossible there unless you're

650
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Speaker 2: gonna fly whatever a week early and just go to

651
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Speaker 2: Baltimore on Tuesday and spend the week there, which these

652
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: teams clearly are a little uncomfortable doing because it throws

653
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Speaker 2: the rhythm of everyone off and it's a very disciplined,

654
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Speaker 2: you know profession where you like to keep people on

655
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Speaker 2: the same rhythm of the week.

656
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Speaker 1: Yet John We've never had a dome or a warm

657
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Speaker 1: weather dynasty in NFL history.

658
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Speaker 2: Then go back to it.

659
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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers in the seventies, the New

660
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Speaker 1: England Patriots, Kansas City. San Francisco is not warm weather

661
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Speaker 1: as you well know.

662
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Speaker 2: Candlestick was not at all. I mean, how many former

663
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Speaker 2: Montana January games. Is it pouring rain or it looks

664
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Speaker 2: like fifty eight degrees it's not ninety degrees there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Dallas, by the way, it has real winters.

666
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Speaker 1: So you know that Dallas is maybe the closest to

667
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Speaker 1: it because for most of the football season until maybe November,

668
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Speaker 1: it's not Chili. But we don't really have the Hogs,

669
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Speaker 1: the Ravens, we just you And I've said this before.

670
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Speaker 1: I think it's such a disadvantage. Think about it. We've

671
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Speaker 1: never had a dome or a really truly warm weather dynasty,

672
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Speaker 1: and so I think weather does play a factor. And

673
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Speaker 1: I mean even the way you draft quarterbacks when you

674
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Speaker 1: play a North Flaco big arm big Ben Bradshaw Brady,

675
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Speaker 1: I think throws as good at bad weather football as

676
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. So Anyway, I think even Peyton Manning's

677
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: teams in the dome, Like you say to yourself, well, well,

678
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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Indy. No, they were always good, but they

679
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: always felt like they were playing second fiddle. I do

680
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: think playing in a dome and playing in warm weather,

681
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can fake it. I just don't

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Speaker 1: You know, I was, as we go through all this stuff,

686
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Speaker 1: I something popped in my head. The other day PFF

687
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: had Sean Payton as the second best coach in the league,

688
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: and I actually, and I'm not saying this because I

689
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Speaker 1: get along with Sean, we really hit it off. But

690
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Speaker 1: I'm also saying this, I don't think he's quite getting

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Speaker 1: enough credit for what he's done in Denver. And some

692
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Speaker 1: of that is Harbaugh soaks up so much of the

693
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Speaker 1: glare because such a character, and then there's the reigning

694
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Speaker 1: dynasty in the division, and now you got Pete Carolyn

695
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Speaker 1: chip Kelly. So Denver sort of gets lost from a

696
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Speaker 1: publicity standpoint. But John think about this, So he goes

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Speaker 1: into an organization and the culture's broken, the quarterback's a mess,

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Speaker 1: and there's impending new ownership. So he goes in the

699
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Speaker 1: first year, I think they are one game. They win

700
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Speaker 1: three more games. He makes Russ functional. He cleans up

701
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Speaker 1: the offensive line from like twenty first to like seventh.

702
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Speaker 1: It just got ranked second by the way PFF's grade

703
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Speaker 1: starting the season. It's now second. Last year with Herbert Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh Reid, he has a rookie quarterback. They end up

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Speaker 1: leading the league in sacks. It is now a bona

706
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Speaker 1: fide top offensive line with really one Courtland Sutton, one

707
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Speaker 1: dependable weapon. I just I looked at them last year

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Speaker 1: and I thought I thought they'd be good with bo Nicks.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we understand it. You start looking at

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Speaker 1: that division and in almost every other division with a

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Speaker 1: number two OH line, Sean Payton, a very capable young

712
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Speaker 1: quarterback leader in sacks, they get green Law and Hufunga.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are we I think what he's done there?

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Speaker 1: Last year they make the playoffs with eighty nine million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I think it was in dead cap money. Are we

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Speaker 1: undervaluing because are the glare with everybody else? What he's

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Speaker 1: done in Denver.

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Speaker 2: I've watched a couple of his press conferences during OTAs.

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Speaker 2: He thinks his team's pretty good. He thinks his team's

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Speaker 2: pretty good because defensively, they got a chance to dominate.

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Speaker 2: And if you have a dominant defense with an offensive

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Speaker 2: coach who's proven, like, how are your floor is so high?

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Speaker 2: I mean, your floor is immediately like ten wins. And

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Speaker 2: someone sent me this DM recently. They said, you know,

725
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Speaker 2: everyone talks about Jayden and I understand why, but look

726
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Speaker 2: at pull up the stats for and jay I think

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Speaker 2: we talked about bow knicks like he threw eighteen touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: He threw twenty nine touchdowns. Now some of these are

729
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Speaker 2: scheme touchdowns, but his numbers, you know, you know, the

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Speaker 2: accuracy is something that I think he has to work

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Speaker 2: on now. The weapons they have the running back in

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Speaker 2: the draft. Uh, but I do think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: is he a guy under Sean Payton? If he just

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Speaker 2: becomes like Sean Payton's version, even if he's not Drew

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Speaker 2: Brees or whatever, But just like a Jared Goff, a

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Speaker 2: Brock Party, like a consistence artor for they're gonna be

737
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Speaker 2: really good for a while. And I know last week

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Speaker 2: you had the Chargers to they could be to win

739
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Speaker 2: the division. It's not I mean it's not inconceivable, right

740
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Speaker 2: because he's a he's a unique second year player. How

741
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: old is he? Twenty five years old? Like he's played

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Speaker 2: a lot of football.

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Speaker 1: And he I think unless you watch him, he didn't

744
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Speaker 1: move a lot at Oregon. Sean lets him move and

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Speaker 1: he can. I mean, he's an athlete that that dude

746
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Speaker 1: is ripped. When I went to the Oregon Utah game,

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Speaker 1: I saw him play the Huskies, but I was up,

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Speaker 1: so I bought really good seats for Oregon Utah. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be behind Oregon's bench. And he's on the

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Speaker 1: sideline and he is cut and you just watch him

751
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: in these NFL games and I always kind of look

752
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: at it. When a quarterback runs, how's the outside linebacker?

753
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Speaker 1: How's the outside linebacker stack up?

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Speaker 2: He runs past him.

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Speaker 1: I mean he when he gets ahead of steam going,

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Speaker 1: he can move past guys. And I remember when Johnny

757
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Manziel broke into the league. He went for a couple

758
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Speaker 1: of runs and the defensive end chased him down and

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00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, that's not gonna work. That's just not

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Speaker 1: gonna work. When that guy has chasing you down. But

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Speaker 1: I Sean is one of those no nonsense guys, and

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Speaker 1: he's a little gruff. And I remember when he said

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Speaker 1: something and Aaron Rodgers, you know, when he said something

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Speaker 1: about Nat Hackett. And again, I don't think the media

765
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Speaker 1: always gives Sean quite a fair shake because he's pretty

766
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: rough and pretty direct. But that hafunga pickup. Do you

767
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: know he's been banged up. He's an elite safety.

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Speaker 2: Well to me, I mean two years ago he zelp

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Speaker 2: ro in green Law. I mean a lot of question

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Speaker 2: marks with his with his health. But if you if

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Speaker 2: one of those two guys is a full time player,

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Speaker 2: let alone both of them, the violence of their defense

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00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: will be it'll be one of the, if not the

774
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Speaker 2: hardest hitting defense in the league. I mean they already

775
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: were right up there last year. And you know, we

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Speaker 2: talked a lot about this when it comes to quarterback,

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Speaker 2: especially young quarterbacks. Is the intangibles, the maturity, the focus,

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Speaker 2: the drive. You know bo Nick's and Jayden gets a

779
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Speaker 2: lot of credit for that, rightfully, so bo Nick should

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Speaker 2: be right there too in terms of, you know, the

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Speaker 2: way they spoke about him at Oregon, his maturity. Also

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Speaker 2: what He's been through a lot like Jayden like, and

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Speaker 2: I would say, unlike Jayden, it's easier to fail at

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Speaker 2: Arizona State. No one really cares. Team hasn't made good.

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Speaker 2: You struggle at Auburn when you're in his situation, like

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Speaker 2: that was a that was like an NFL, the way

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Speaker 2: they're covered, the amount of people that care, the spotlight

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Speaker 2: that was on him. Remember he was I think his

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Speaker 2: first start was against Justin Herbert. Remember that Oregon Aburn game,

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Speaker 2: A long long time throwing the corner.

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Speaker 1: He played a big throw as a freshman into the

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Speaker 1: corner of the end zone to win it.

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Speaker 2: And then his career just kind of unraveled as their

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Speaker 2: program did, and then he went to Oregon. You've seen

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Speaker 2: them in two stable environments, Oregon and Denver, and he's thrived.

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Speaker 2: So it's safe to say, like, yeah, pretty impressive guy.

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Speaker 2: I would bet on bow Nicks because Sean Payton U

798
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: clearly not going anywhere. I mean they are a twelve

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Speaker 2: thirteen win season away from Sean Payton then getting a

800
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: huge contract extension, right, he was given five years, ninety million.

801
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Speaker 2: That they have a good year and the trajectory of

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Speaker 2: this franchise and Listen, I would have assumed when Sean

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00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: got the job that General Patton the GM would have

804
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: been fired. And John it's saying, it feels like he's

805
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: worked pretty seamlessly. They worked together. Maybe Sean's realized I

806
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: got to pick my battles like, let's just get along,

807
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Speaker 2: And it feels like they got a pretty stable organism.

808
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: That's the thing with Pete Carroll and the Raiders, like

809
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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaughs kind of matured. Sean Payton's at a different

810
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Speaker 2: stage in his life obviously. You know, Andy's the most

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Speaker 2: human feature on this scene. It's a really really difficult

812
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813
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Speaker 2: that have cracked the code of personality. What it takes,

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Speaker 2: the energy that it takes, what they're looking they know

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Speaker 2: exactly what they're looking for. It's pretty scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I think actually Patton's a pretty

817
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Speaker 1: good GM. I thought I didn't think the problem was

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Speaker 1: I thought the problem was Hacket. Listen, it happens. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bob Kraft is a good owner. He hired draw on

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Speaker 1: It's hard to hire coaches. I mean they took a

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Speaker 1: you know, at one point Lane Kiffin was in the

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Speaker 1: Listen, Josh McDaniels was a guest on my show and

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Speaker 1: tv dot com defind your cable channel. Okay, so I

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00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: watched three hours, two and a half hours of live

861
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Speaker 1: golf today. It was in Dallas tip of the cap.

862
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: It's not only the golfers but the fans who went

863
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: because it.

864
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Looked really hot muggy.

865
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Speaker 1: I was checking, Yeah, it looked really really muggy. Now

866
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: that I spend a lot of time in Chicago, that's

867
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Speaker 1: my reality as well. So I got to ask you

868
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: watching this, where are you on? Patrick Reid? So Patrick

869
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Reid is not in and listen, golf can be I mean,

870
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: you have a caddy, but golf is like one of

871
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: those sports like it can be like skiing, it can

872
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: be like swimming. You could be on Team USA, but

873
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: it's very individual and guys are creatures of habits. So

874
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: it's always felt in my life there's just a golfer

875
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: or two on the tour that's either irascible, he's a

876
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: little difficult, he's not one of the guys. And I

877
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: always think, like, like I get it. It's it's you know,

878
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup is one of the only times we

879
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: see golf and it's like it's a collective, but you're

880
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, you have to pay for everything. You're on

881
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: your own. I mean every course is different, every other

882
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: team sport, you know, the football fields are the same dimensions.

883
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean golf, you go to Augusta and you're literally

884
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: the putting you're putting on glass. I was just talking

885
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: to somebody golf with somebody, Robbie Hummel, the former Purdue

886
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: basketball player broadcasting, A great guy, and he was he

887
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: was talking about he went great and he's just great,

888
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: kat stories great. I mean, just funny, funny guy. He

889
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: was talking about Augusta. He's golf down there and he's like,

890
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: you can't even imagine how fast they are. It's just

891
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: because they don't have a lot of rough at Augusta,

892
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: so they kind of overcompensate, you know, with the greens.

893
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the danger. But I've always kind of

894
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: felt like with golf, like it's okay, it's okay if

895
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: you're a little odd or a little gruff. Patrick Reid

896
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: played very very well this weekend. Where are you at

897
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: with him? How do you view him?

898
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Well? I think you know all these other sports, let's

899
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: use basketball for example, over the years, they've had Dennis Rodman,

900
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: Draymond Green. You get these different personalities that add elements

901
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: to the villain nature versus the good guys. Football's had it. Yadamakan,

902
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: Sue just different players. Patrick Reed was always you know,

903
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: one of those people that I don't know how to

904
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: say rubbed the people the wrong way, but just pissed

905
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: people off. He's had some incidents over the course of

906
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: his career, but one of the greatest short games in

907
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: the history of the sport. I mean you put him

908
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: right up there with like Seve Ballisto's, you know, in

909
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: terms of just a wedge in his hand. He's a

910
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: guy that from Tiger Woods to since been on Lift

911
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: John Rahman, people will go pick his brain as good

912
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: of a short game that's ever played golf. And he's

913
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: i mean, guy's won the Masters. You know, this guy

914
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: is a major champion. He almost I mean he was

915
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: in the Mix Issue. I think he finished third. Uh yeah,

916
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: just's someone that as the game of golf, like you know,

917
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: part of golf get a lot of guys that, especially now,

918
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: is pretty cookie cutter. You're not bringing much to the table,

919
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: kind of boring. You do need some personalities and the

920
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: golf has always had some of that. You know, going

921
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: back to when I was a kid with John Daily

922
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: to you know, Patrick Reed brings that. There was an

923
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: incident I think today out there with a fan where

924
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: Patrick reed like stared him down after the guy was

925
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: given it to him. And you know, Patrick, you need

926
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: more Patrick reads to make this thing interesting. You know,

927
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: you need some You need some people. They're gonna throw

928
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: some curveballs every once in a while because, let's face

929
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: a golf, you know, it can be a little boring

930
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: in nature, you know. So this isn't exactly the National

931
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Football League. So yeah, listen, he's when he's on, he

932
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: can play with anybody.

933
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: Well, he Patrick won a four way playoff his first

934
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: live golf win, had a chance to win on eight

935
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: team with a putt that was short. But but here's

936
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Speaker 1: my question. Would you put him on the Ryder Cup team?

937
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how close you've been following the

938
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup, but we got issues collin America. We are

939
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: they look they look really good. I mean, their team

940
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: is just it's pretty stacked, and our team is kind

941
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: of falling off the map. And part of it is,

942
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, Kegan Bradley. They tried to, you know, change

943
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: it up a little bit, go with the younger guy.

944
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: I think they would have liked to go with Tiger,

945
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: but you know, for whatever reason, I don't know, Tiger's

946
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: hanging out with Charlie. He just wasn't that interested. They

947
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: went with Keegan, who's now basically played himself onto the

948
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: team and beside a couple guys like I think you

949
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: could go with anybody. You know, Bryson d Chaebo is

950
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: going to be on the team. You know, Keepka I

951
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: think would have been a guy they would have liked

952
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 2: to pick. He Withdrew, I don't know if he's sick

953
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: or had an injury this week, hasn't played that well.

954
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: Patrick red now top five in a major, just one today.

955
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: To me, if he plays well at the Open Championship

956
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: here coming up, I think he's the type guy. We

957
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: just need more talent because right now our team relative

958
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: to their team, and this is in New York, so

959
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: that the atmosphere is going to be nuts. The vibe

960
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: are already huge. You know, Keegan Bradley is a Northeast guy.

961
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: He went to Saint John's. A lot of buzz come

962
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: into this. Now. Bryson, who wasn't on the team a

963
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, is going to be. That's going

964
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: to add a huge element to the to the just

965
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: intensity of it. To me, Patrick Reid's a guy like

966
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: why not, he'd definitely be in the discussion. I'll promise

967
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: you that. So, yeah, he plays well here down the stretch.

968
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: I would imagine they're gonna have some conversations for sure.

969
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to brooks Ka, who I

970
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: thought eighteen months ago was going to post sort of

971
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: the career that Dshambo. I mean, Deshambo really changed. Not

972
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: only is marketing and likability and relatability, he feels like

973
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: the better golfer. I would not have guessed that. I

974
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: thought he was a bit of a I thought he

975
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: was too over the top to Shambo, I thought it

976
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: was all off the tee. Well, he's become a more

977
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: complete golfer brooks Kopka. I mean again, you get that

978
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: live money, I get it. You know you you win,

979
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: and you know, these good looking young guys like Rory

980
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: McElroy right now is in a weird space where like

981
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: he won in Augusta and acknowledged it's hard to get

982
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: up in the morning, it's hard to work on the

983
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: short game for five hours and you know, on a Tuesday,

984
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: and it was to say that publicly was like, well

985
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: that is that is something to say publicly but where

986
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: is Brooks Kepka.

987
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: Now, I do wonder if you know, when he went

988
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: to live there are a lot of question marks with

989
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: him physically, and then within six months he won PGA

990
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: Championship and he proved everybody like, hey guys, I'm still here.

991
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: And I do wonder if there's an element like Rory

992
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: where like sitting on the range and that Florida heat

993
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: for three hours. You look at your clock, You've been

994
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: there for forty five minutes. You're like, I think I'm

995
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: gonna go into the clubhouse, you know, I think I'm

996
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: gonna go get Arnold Palmer and go hang out with

997
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: my wife. He's got Brooks won five majors, right, He's

998
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest American champions in the history

999
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: of the sport. Unique career, right because not like he

1000
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: has forty wins in five majors. I think he only

1001
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: has like ten or eleven PG Tour wins. I don't

1002
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: think he's ever won maybe one time on LIV But

1003
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: he's just a great major player. You know. Physically, you know,

1004
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: Brooks was an older It's like a bow Knicks or whatever.

1005
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: When he kind of came onto the scene because he

1006
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: had been playing like international tours, the Asian Tour, a

1007
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: little bit of a late bloomer, and right now, I mean,

1008
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on this week, but

1009
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: he has not played well. You know, that's where I

1010
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: think Bryson, I do think comments. You know, Listen, I

1011
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: grew up on nineties athletes. They were rich, but there

1012
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: was an element where it felt like they weren't. Lebron

1013
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: just opted in. He's almost made six hundred million dollars

1014
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: in his career. That's just the basketball court, right, I mean,

1015
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: that's a lot of money, right, I mean, you Kirk

1016
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Cousins three hundred, Derek Carr is like I made a

1017
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten million dollars. I'm out. He's thirty

1018
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: four years old. Look how much money Joe Montana and

1019
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: Steve Young made in their career careers combined. So the

1020
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: money now Rory's probably made. I don't know if I

1021
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: had to go five hundred million dollars on and off

1022
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: the golf course, maybe more. And he's just telling you.

1023
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm thirty five. Is I kind of get

1024
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: bored practicing? And you know, Koepka was already really well

1025
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: off before he went to live it's got I always listen,

1026
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: call it. I admire your work ethic. Going to that

1027
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: meeting thinking like it. It inspires me. Like you get up,

1028
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: you're in that meeting at six o'clock, we're grinding. I'm like, damn,

1029
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 2: this guy is bringing it. There's a passion and listen,

1030
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: there's a passion to Brady. There's a passion of time.

1031
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: Not everyone has that. And I do think it's difficult.

1032
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: If you just handed me one hundred million dollars right

1033
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: now at forty am I gonna have the same work

1034
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: ethic in five years? I don't know. I mean, these

1035
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: guys have made so much money. So I do just

1036
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: wonder the impact in golf at least in football, because

1037
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: you go, God, are eventually some of these football guys

1038
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: gonna stop? Well? They get yelled at every practice. You

1039
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: ever go to a training session, Like it's hot, everyone's sweating,

1040
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: people are screaming, and golfer is kind of you out

1041
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: there in the range and these guys are practicing at

1042
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan's course. I mean, it's there's others. It's

1043
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: pretty cool. You're like, do I ever want to sit

1044
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: down in this range right now? So it's it's hard.

1045
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: No, I've always felt that about golf ersus that you know,

1046
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like boxers. I always wonder why boxers

1047
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: because of pay per view. I mean, boxers were the

1048
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: highest paid athletes for a lot of my life. Connor McGregor,

1049
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: you can make you can make forty million dollars.

1050
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Floyd make like three fights, like five hundred million dollars.

1051
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I'd be done fighting. Like, I mean,

1052
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: there's brain damage, there's brain trauma, so boxing not in UFC,

1053
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I I do. I think the media

1054
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: sometimes has this wonderment like, yeah, I can't figure out

1055
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Rory and I'm like, great looking guy, made a lot

1056
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: of money. His dream was Augusta. I mean he won

1057
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: on his seventeenth trip and it's like he's human, like man,

1058
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Speaker 1: he just he's just exhaling, and I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the old Marvin Hagler hard to

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00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to get up for that five

1061
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: am run when you're sleeping on silk sheets.

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00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: Like it's just a reality of it.

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00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: So I think people are trying to figure out Rory,

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00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: and I think, you know the other thing, John is

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00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: you just forget a Golf's really hard. It's an incredible grind.

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Speaker 1: And Rory looks young, right Brooks Koepka. They're good looking,

1067
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: they're in shape, they look young. I mean, just think

1068
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: play Augusta seveneen years So just to get there takes

1069
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: a while. So I think sometimes we forget with some

1070
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: of these some of these golfers and some of these athletes.

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00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Like in football, we have stats, we keep those, and

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00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: in golf we talk about majors, but we don't really

1073
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: talk about necessarily about years. You know, with Brady it's

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00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl year or the year he's eliminated Roy

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00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: Michelroy has been playing high end golf and by the way,

1076
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Speaker 1: international golf. You know, he's I just get it. I

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: think I think I think he's taking a big exhale

1078
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: for a year and he doesn't quite know how to communicate.

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Speaker 2: That with us. And I also think, like in basketball

1080
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: or football, even if you just get into somewhat of

1081
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: rut and get a little content after a couple of games,

1082
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: if you're let's say you know, your Draymond or Steph

1083
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're kind of getting embarrassed out

1084
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: there on the court, for a couple of weeks, you're

1085
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: like this, no more of this. Right. In football, all

1086
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get hit or tackled, You're like,

1087
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: this sucks. Right. So they're in golf, you're like, whatever,

1088
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: I just missed the cut. Go home. It's not like

1089
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, especially one, you've got to their level. The

1090
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Speaker 2: caddies already super rich as well. I mean, Maria is

1091
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: in this luxury real estate world out here and they

1092
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: have their caddies. Go look at homes worth four or

1093
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: five million dollars. They're caddies. This is These aren't Tiger

1094
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: Woods caddies. These are caddies of just you know, the

1095
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: fortieth player in the world or the fifty the amount

1096
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: of money that's gone out there in that sport. Like

1097
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: these other sports. But even in football, basketball, you still

1098
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: have your teammates that rely on you. You are a

1099
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: good example of like you have this company people relying

1100
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: on you. Fox, You're You're who's really it's just Rory, right,

1101
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Speaker 2: And that's right. I think sometimes we compare everything to Tiger,

1102
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: like we compare everything to Michael. Those personalities are not normal.

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00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: They are the extreme Tom. They're the extreme outlier. Like

1104
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: Tom and Peyton. We got very spoiled these two guys

1105
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: at the same time that were both pretty wired the

1106
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: same way of just do whatever it takes for as

1107
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 2: long as it takes, till they're basically dragged off the field.

1108
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: You know that's most quarterbacks like, yeah, whatever, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Three and Out is

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Speaker 1: the podcast this has been. This is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite fifty minute podcasts in a while. We touched on

1113
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Speaker 1: so many different angles and so many different teams. Thank god,

1114
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Speaker 1: no Aaron Rodgers discussion. I'm glad for that.

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Speaker 2: First, I watched the other night Enigma at least two episodes,

1116
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Speaker 2: and then she's like, turn it off. I can't take

1117
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Speaker 2: it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Only so much in her good to see anybody, see

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Speaker 1: you