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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo, and before we get

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Speaker 1: into it, I want to thank our co host the

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Speaker 1: last week while I was off, Robert Murray and Tim Kirchin,

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Speaker 1: and most of all, I want to thank Olana because

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Speaker 1: in any business you want to work with true pros.

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Speaker 1: Alana is a true pro. I am grateful that she

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Speaker 1: is my partner here. Now we can get into things,

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Speaker 1: and we can get into Alana's former team, but we're

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Speaker 1: not going to.

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Speaker 2: Start with them, all right, Can you start with the Dodgers?

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Speaker 3: It was great, Yeah, it was. It was great to

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Speaker 3: be with Robert and Tim. But I'm so happy that

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Speaker 3: you are back and you're right. Let's get to the

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Speaker 3: lead and those mighty mighty Brewers.

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Speaker 2: What's going on.

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Speaker 1: It's impressive obviously what they're doing. And let's go through

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Speaker 1: the numbers first and just explain where they are in

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Speaker 1: terms of the division, the races. All of that twelve

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Speaker 1: game winning streak twenty seven of thirty one, they've won

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Speaker 1: twenty seven of thirty one. They have the best record

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Speaker 1: in baseball by six and a half games, By six

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Speaker 1: and a half games, they're on a one hundred and

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Speaker 1: three win pace, and you wonder how the offense works.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna show you two different full screens here to

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Speaker 1: explain just what they do. Runs per game right now,

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Speaker 1: they are tied for first in the majors with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. Batting average, second on base second, slugging fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: next graphic here, and this explains it. Home runs per game,

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Speaker 1: they're nineteenth in the majors. But what do they do

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Speaker 1: well everything else? Strikeout rate twenty six, one of the

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Speaker 1: best teams in the majors in that regard outs on

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Speaker 1: the basis, that's whatob is. How many outs do they

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Speaker 1: these little things that they do so well, as Brian

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Speaker 1: They've got it all going and it's really interesting to

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Speaker 1: what's valued right now power velocity, pitch velocity, exit velocity.

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Speaker 1: They don't necessarily have that. They have it to a

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Speaker 1: degree on the pitching staff, but that is not the

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Speaker 1: way they go about it, and they're shaming the entire

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Speaker 1: and you'll wonder why more teams don't follow suit. And

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Speaker 1: there's one more point I want to make on the Brewers.

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Speaker 1: We talk about small market teams, how they can't win,

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Speaker 1: they can't sustain success. Brewers make the playoffs this year,

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Speaker 1: but they haven't won a World Series. That is not

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Speaker 1: then hopefully in any case but big market, small market,

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Speaker 1: And they are doing it at a higher level than

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Speaker 3: Club and ken because of the way that they're doing it,

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Speaker 3: they may go in as a division winner and not

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Speaker 3: have been exited early the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: How big would that be.

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Speaker 3: For them to go in as a division winner, perhaps

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Speaker 1: It's big for any team, Alana, and obviously it's something

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Speaker 1: all these teams strive for. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers and Padres in a second right now. The

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Speaker 1: two teams with the buys in the National League would

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Speaker 1: You're in great shape if you do that. Otherwise you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like the NL West.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be a two horse

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Speaker 3: it looks like the Brewers are pulling away, and it's

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Speaker 3: a much tighter race. In the NL West, the Padres

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Speaker 3: have leapfrogged the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Dodgers are now

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Speaker 3: they will face off six times in the next ten days.

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Speaker 1: They will Alana, and let's show you exactly how this

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Speaker 1: has transpired over the last six weeks. It's actually been

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Speaker 1: one day less than six weeks in which this whole

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Speaker 1: thing has turned. July third n West standings, Dodgers fifty

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Speaker 1: Today it is a ten game swing in a span

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Speaker 1: of forty one days, including the All Star Break San

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Speaker 1: a turnaround as you will see. And Alta, We've been

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Speaker 1: They've slow played injuries, they've kind of just drifted along

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Speaker 1: let's face it, old hat for the Dodgers to make

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Speaker 1: And you've got with the Padres a team that has

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, guys, it's time to go. They should know that.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but it is time for them to go.

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Speaker 1: And on the other hand, the Padres all the credit

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Speaker 1: the bullpen is utterly ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting.

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Speaker 3: It was the best bullpen in baseball before they even

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Speaker 3: added Mason Miller. Now, the Padres haven't won the division,

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Speaker 3: Ken you know this since two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: Is this the year that it changes?

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Speaker 3: Do the Padres win the NL West or do the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers get it together?

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Speaker 1: If I had to bet right now. I would bet

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Speaker 1: the Padres. I just like everything that is going on

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Speaker 1: a better phrase, Dennis Lynn and the Athletic Today explains

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Speaker 1: by the numbers, just how the Padres have done this

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Speaker 1: in less than six weeks. I'm curious to your opinion.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Dodgers can win this division as

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Speaker 1: they've done so many times over the last decade.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that I don't think that

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Speaker 3: they've gotten any sort of positive traction the entire length

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Speaker 3: of the season. Can we are very close to what

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Speaker 3: like that. There's not been these amazing streaks of time

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Speaker 3: ten eleven wins straight, like what the Brewers are doing

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Speaker 3: right now. And I know that they keep saying that,

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Speaker 3: you know, everybody's not healthy. As long as the Dodgers

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Speaker 3: which is the end of the season going into October,

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Speaker 3: you know, end of September going into October, I do

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Speaker 3: believe that they win the division again, but it's not

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Speaker 3: going to be by a very comfortable margin. We're not

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Speaker 3: going to see a ten eleven game cushion. And I

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Speaker 3: honestly think whatever happens in the next six games with

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Speaker 3: these next two series, then I think they win the division.

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Speaker 3: If the Padres win the next two series, I think

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Speaker 3: San Diego wins its first in All West title since

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll just add one more thing. I'll believe the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are going to be healthy and reasonably full strength

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Speaker 3: Yeah and me, both you and me both. Yeah, They're

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Speaker 3: getting healthy. They're coming back. They're coming back.

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Speaker 3: from the NL West Ken to the AL West and

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Speaker 3: the Houston Astros. I don't know how this team continues

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Speaker 3: to be a top of the division almost every single

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Speaker 1: And then you're Don Alvarez in early May. We have

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Speaker 1: not seen him. It's amazing what they've done. And yes,

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Speaker 1: It's a great thing for the Astros. But the news

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Speaker 1: Even at that point, then he has to build up again.

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Speaker 1: So will we see Josh Hater again this season? At

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Speaker 1: this point that is a legitimate question. Now. The Mariners

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Speaker 3: That's a fair territory as time now for Grill and

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Speaker 3: Ken, Is this the best use of a twenty six

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Speaker 2: They're getting a lot out of a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Armand can be an apprentice with you one day

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Speaker 2: Likelihood. As we talked about earlier of the Padres.

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Speaker 1: But to me, as I just said, you've got to

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Speaker 3: I don't believe the Padres are scared of the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's the same thing as the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you ask any Dodger fan or player, even Dave Roberts.

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Speaker 2: Time for due to the week with Ken Rosenthal. Who

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Speaker 1: Well, I know we've been talking about them all morning, Alana,

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to her. That was well earned.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's had to toil through the minor leagues,

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Speaker 3: just as all umpires have had to do, obviously paying

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Speaker 3: her dues. Great to see her becoming the first umpire

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Speaker 3: ever to do a regular season Major league game. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the game between the Marlins and the Braves, and I

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Speaker 3: don't want to hear it about the call. Every single

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Speaker 3: person in their first major league baseball game doesn't have

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Speaker 3: a perfect umpiring scorecard. Just yesterday, Stebe Bugner missed seven

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Speaker 3: calls in the first inning. So congratulations to Jen Powell.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully the first of many Okay, time now for dork

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Speaker 3: of the week, Ken, who do you have?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: A lot?

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Speaker 1: And we haven't talked about this yet, and in any

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Speaker 1: other week, when maybe less things were happening or fewer

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Speaker 1: things were happening, we'd be talking big time about this.

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Speaker 1: The pole Aad family for deciding to keep the twins

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Speaker 1: instead of selling them. They're the dorks of the week,

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Speaker 1: and that the dorks of the week, not for that

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Speaker 1: decision in a vacuum. They're the dorks of the week

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Speaker 1: because of what has happened in the last several years

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Speaker 1: with this team, how they've cut payroll, how they essentially

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Speaker 1: oversaw a fire sale at the deadline, how they brought

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Speaker 1: this team down from a pretty high perch, and yet

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't get their price, they said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to do this and I want one

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Speaker 1: more thing out there. At least from my perspective on

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Speaker 1: this particular issue, you're going to hear as we get

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Speaker 1: closer to the CBA talks that, well, we need a

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Speaker 1: salary cap because owners aren't getting enough money for their teams.

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Speaker 1: Franchise values are not what they should be. It's not

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Speaker 1: on the players to get the franchise values higher. Players

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Speaker 1: are doing a good enough job just by performing on

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Speaker 1: the field. That's what they're supposed to do. So you

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Speaker 1: want to make an argument for a salary gap, don't

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Speaker 1: make that argument. At least to me, it's weak. And

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Speaker 1: for the Pole Ads to kind of just bawl on

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Speaker 1: this sale and do what the Nationals and Angels have

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Speaker 1: done reverse course after putting the team on the market,

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Speaker 1: it's bad news for the fans of Minnesota, and that's

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Speaker 1: who we should care about the most.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly what I was going to ask you

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Speaker 3: in terms of the reverse actions here. How similar is

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Speaker 3: this situation with the Twins to Ardi Moreno, with the

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Speaker 3: Angels and the group with the Nationals trying to sell

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Speaker 3: and then deciding not to and then perhaps we will

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Speaker 3: and then maybe we're not.

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Speaker 2: Are there similarities in.

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Speaker 1: This It's difficult to say without knowing the particulars, Alana,

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Speaker 1: but the similarity seems to be they're not getting the

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Speaker 1: prices they wanted. Well, maybe they're asking too much. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's not something that we're privy to. But

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Speaker 1: the Twins were pretty clearly in search of one point

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Speaker 1: seven billion, and the minority investors coming in as the

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Speaker 1: athletic reporter. Today the valuation is above one point seven billion,

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Speaker 1: So at that level they could get it. They just

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Speaker 1: couldn't get the whole chunk, I would imagine. And again,

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Speaker 1: each situation is different. But maybe owners should not be

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Speaker 1: looking for X when they're only getting Why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unbelievable one point seven billion for the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 3: My dork of the week as the couple that decided

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Speaker 3: to get married in between a ballgame with the with

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Speaker 3: eph Guardians the guaranteed rate field. Not only to me personally,

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Speaker 3: is it bad enough to have a JumboTron proposal, but

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Speaker 3: how about a wedding in the middle of a game?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, in between innings. I mean, honestly, I

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Speaker 3: don't know about this. That's not for me, but I

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Speaker 3: guess I don't know happy marriage?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Am my old lady yelling at clouds? I don't know?

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Speaker 2: This to me is so tacky.

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Speaker 1: I can only speak to my own personal situation. My

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Speaker 1: wife would not have gone for such a stunt. Not

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Speaker 1: the proposal, the wedding, not the ballpark, not any of it.

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Speaker 2: To me, it is so unoriginal.

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Speaker 3: I obviously she has I would imagine she is a

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Speaker 3: large baseball fan, or she probably would have put the

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Speaker 3: kebash on this whole situation and the whole thought of

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Speaker 3: doing this. But in between, I mean that that is

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Speaker 3: a rushed wedding, right, talk about shotgun wedding. You only

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Speaker 3: have in between innings, Like there's a pitchclock. Like, guys

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Speaker 3: gotta get on the mound and throw and throw the

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Speaker 3: baseball kim Like, do you I do?

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Speaker 2: Do you sure? Okay? Great, go back to your seats

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Speaker 2: and have a hot talk.

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Speaker 2: Ken.

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Speaker 3: There was an interesting article from Tyler Kepner talking about

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Speaker 3: Pete Alonso and what he means to the New York Mets.

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Speaker 3: Should Steve Cohen and the Mets sign this man up

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Speaker 3: for a lifetime contract to retire as a Met.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm experiencing deja fulana. We were having

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Speaker 1: this conversation last year at this time, and it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a very similar conversation this offseason. Alonso has

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Speaker 1: an opt out. He's going to opt out as he

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Speaker 1: should and explore the market again. He wants to be

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Speaker 1: a Met. The Mets wanted to stay with the Mets.

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Speaker 1: The question is will they pay him what he wants,

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Speaker 1: what he thinks is appropriate. With his agent, Scott boris Now,

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Speaker 1: Pete said the other day after breaking the team's franchise

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Speaker 1: home run record that it's on Steve Cohen and David Stearns,

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Speaker 1: and I know what he meant. He meant it's got

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Speaker 1: to start with them wanting him. But ultimately, this is

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Speaker 1: a negotiation between the two parties. And what happened last year,

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Speaker 1: it dragged on and on and on because they could

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Speaker 1: not agree on Pete's future value, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be very similar. He's a year older now, and heaven

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Speaker 1: forbid a player turned thirty in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: but that's what happens, and teams look at that. And

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Speaker 1: while he should be a Met forever, the question is

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Speaker 1: going to be How much is that going to cost

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Speaker 1: the Mets. If it's going to cost them in Scott

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Speaker 1: Boris's mind, I'm just throwing this number out six years,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and ten million. It's thirty five a year.

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Speaker 1: Mets are probably going to say no. If they can

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Speaker 1: get to some lower number that both sides find acceptable, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll happen, But I don't know that it's going to

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Speaker 1: be easy because the same dynamics are in place.

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Speaker 3: Anything for a price, right, it just has to be

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Speaker 3: the right price point for both sides of the equation. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you have on Fox on Saturday the Cardinals versus the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: I'm not certain that that one is a barn burner

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Speaker 3: in terms of a fourth place team going up against

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Speaker 3: a third place team in the New York Yankees. But

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Speaker 3: what are you hoping ken to see from this matchup

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Speaker 3: this upcoming Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I'm just really interested to see the Yankees and are

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Speaker 1: they going to come out of it. They had a

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Speaker 1: decent series against the Twins, winning two of three, but

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Speaker 1: they have to at some point somewhat like the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: turn it on again, and they've been unable to do that,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they will be unable to do that. So

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Speaker 1: that's what I'll be looking at and focusing on here,

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Speaker 1: just where the Yankees are, the way they're playing, how

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Speaker 1: it's all coming together for them. One guy we should mention,

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Speaker 1: gian Carlos Stanton. It's kind of amazing to me, Alana,

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Speaker 1: how he's turned it around both with his career in

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Speaker 1: some respects and with the fan base. Suddenly he's appreciated

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Speaker 1: in New York. Anthony Valdi, Austin Wells and all the

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Speaker 1: other beleaguered Yankees. Aaron Boom, there's hope for you all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: One day they want to send you to the moon,

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