Speaker 1: What's up. You're off of God's Country with Reed also
Speaker 1: known as The Brothers, something where we take a weekly
Speaker 1: drive to the intersection of country music and the good
Speaker 1: old outdoors, two things that go together, like Minnesota and
Speaker 1: big o' small mouth.
Speaker 2: Or brand new bands and mini bands produced by Mediator
Speaker 2: in I Heeart podcast.
Speaker 1: We got a different one for y'all today. We didn't
Speaker 1: know this guy at all. Dave Simonette. He's the front
Speaker 1: man for the band Traveled by Turtles, which is like
Speaker 1: a Minnesota bluegrass thing. It's pretty cool man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wacky, but I love it. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: some great songs, great songwriting. Not a great story of
Speaker 2: how they came up with the name, but still pretty
Speaker 2: cool band.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about his love for the outdoors
Speaker 1: and conservation and birds. He's a Yeah, he's a part
Speaker 1: of a conservation group for the Boundary Waters, which is
Speaker 1: a stretch of lakes and river that borders Minnesota and Canada.
Speaker 1: It's a really cool researched it. It's so awesome. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to go. Also does a lot of work
Speaker 1: with Pheasants Forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's a really interesting cat, really intelligent man. It's a
Speaker 1: just a just a really cool dude, and uh, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to him and let y'all hear
Speaker 1: about it and listen to it and watch it and
Speaker 1: love it and enjoy it and share it with all
Speaker 1: your friends and your dad and your mom and.
Speaker 2: The podcast in their life too, absolutely especially this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm a marketplace guy. So I bought a I bought
Speaker 2: like a toolbox. I got stand alone. I can't remember
Speaker 2: what they're called, but like a toolbox. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: like the big ones, like chick rodge yeah yeah. And
Speaker 2: it had a bunch of razor blades in it. And
Speaker 2: it was those razor.
Speaker 3: Blades, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was like, man, I don't necessarily know what
Speaker 2: these are for.
Speaker 1: Well, let me see what since that it's a hook blade. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've seen that.
Speaker 3: And so the last the last day job that I
Speaker 3: quit was two thousand and ten. I quit my job
Speaker 3: as a roofer and that's what you used to cut asphalt,
Speaker 3: singles and whatever. And it's kind of a little reminder
Speaker 3: that wherever it is, tour is not so bad, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true, But that that makes sense
Speaker 2: as to why that's a yeah, because I because we've
Speaker 2: done not legit roofing, but like we've roofed deer houses
Speaker 2: and like my own house roof that's not legit, And
Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. Like if you're on
Speaker 2: the end of the thing, you got to cut one.
Speaker 1: And you just flip it over with the two hooks
Speaker 1: and use the other hook.
Speaker 2: It fits in a box. Play yeah cut her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm a utility knife or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've literally been said to like walking out like how's
Speaker 1: you right? And I was like, you know, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: at least she ain't roofing houses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. But I will say that
Speaker 3: when I was roofing houses, my boss was a friend
Speaker 3: of mine and an also musician, and most of that
Speaker 3: crew for a while were like kind of transient musicians
Speaker 3: in between tours. So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: That's fun as it could have been.
Speaker 1: That's a good crew to be on if you're going
Speaker 1: to be riven houses.
Speaker 2: It was a it was good.
Speaker 3: I was the right age for it, and it was good.
Speaker 1: You know what else we got on here?
Speaker 2: My man, I'm talking about my roofing thing for a second.
Speaker 1: And first of all, this is Dave. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: David or Dave.
Speaker 3: Uh well, David, but everybody calls me Dave.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna go with you.
Speaker 3: I got a couple of relatives that still say David.
Speaker 2: I have a little house roofed, but all my guys
Speaker 2: are methods. Now, I don't play music.
Speaker 1: What'd you say you got your house roofed?
Speaker 2: When I was in when I worked at Pickwick, there
Speaker 2: was there were roofers there when we worked would work
Speaker 2: for gil Parish, Oh yeah, there were roofers there. And
Speaker 2: there was this guy named june Bug. I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: His name is j Bug?
Speaker 2: I mean, and he goes I'll never forget. One day
Speaker 2: he was walking up the hill and we were like,
Speaker 2: june Bug, like, he's ten fifteen, man, where are you
Speaker 2: going what? In reality, he was probably just going to
Speaker 2: snow store some coke or one thousand per smoke a joint,
Speaker 2: you know. He was like he was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: I'm like herpes, I'll be back. And we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: I was fifteen, Yeah, I was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's herpes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was terrifying, dude, just and he was like
Speaker 2: he was like you he was built like you though, honestly,
Speaker 2: and he would like just run up the dang thing
Speaker 2: and you know, like h just be cracking little shingles
Speaker 2: and flinging them all over. Sweet he like not, he's
Speaker 2: knocking nailing with like one swing.
Speaker 3: Loving people find their true purpose, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: That was probably back guy.
Speaker 3: I mean if he wasn't roofing houses.
Speaker 1: Boy, yeah, probably more.
Speaker 2: Math, yeah, probably more math. But he uh June bug man.
Speaker 2: I still say, yeah, I'll be back. In my mind.
Speaker 1: It's like dude at fifteen too, when you're that young
Speaker 1: and you see somebody like that, like you said, you
Speaker 1: are terrified love that guy, like you don't. I can
Speaker 1: remember being in like elementary school or I guess no.
Speaker 1: It was like I was sixth grades, my first year
Speaker 1: of middle school when you go from elementary to middle
Speaker 1: and my mom, I ride the bus with my buddy
Speaker 1: back to the elementary school and then we walked over
Speaker 1: to his house and I remember being on there with
Speaker 1: like seniors on that bus. Yeah, in like high school
Speaker 1: that were riding to north and you don't look at
Speaker 1: those guys. You don't speak to them, you don't look
Speaker 1: to them, you don't acknowledge them. You go to your seat,
Speaker 1: you sit down, and you look. You put your hands
Speaker 1: in your lap, and you look. Do you know it's terrifying.
Speaker 3: And you see people of that age now and the
Speaker 3: children's it's relative, I guess you know for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a middle school daughter. Okay, she's in seventh grade,
Speaker 3: and she's scared of the eighth graders. Absolutely doesn't like
Speaker 3: to wait to go into school. If there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of eighth graders.
Speaker 1: Eighth graders these days, there like a year.
Speaker 3: It's a big deal at that age.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Where I don't know how old you are, thirty six, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a lot older than forty three.
Speaker 1: You must be terrified this wolf pack one he has
Speaker 1: just Wednesday tatted on his restaurant as a dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. What's your favorite tattoo?
Speaker 2: What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What means the most to you?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I got my kids initials tattooed on my chest. I
Speaker 3: want to to go with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to do over your heart. Yeah kids?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 3: I have two and a uh but let's see thirteen
Speaker 3: year old daughter. My son turns eleven on Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 3: And then I have a ten year old step daughter,
Speaker 3: So three all day.
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, in the house, it's love work, Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll move on.
Speaker 3: If not, we got family checked out a wonderful man.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It is tough though, No, yeah, we just we got two.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just say make sure you want them
Speaker 2: before anybody has them. Just make sure you want them.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody can really know what they're getting into,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I remember when my
Speaker 3: daughter was born. You know, you go from zero to
Speaker 3: one is the biggest jump. Absolutely, and I feel like
Speaker 3: my my capacity for joy and for fear like widened,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. My wavelength is kind of
Speaker 3: going down the middle. And then we have a kid.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah that it's like the hardest thing and
Speaker 3: the best thing at the same time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I talked about it last week, like out and you
Speaker 1: can get so busy and like rs are two under two.
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, you're in it.
Speaker 1: It's chaos and so and it gets it gets tough.
Speaker 1: And I got to a point just a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago where like not a breaking pool or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you sit down and your kids are playing, and the
Speaker 1: one kid's playing in the floor and the other ones
Speaker 1: in his jumper, and my wife's cooking dinner, and that
Speaker 1: isn't that is supposed to be one of the best
Speaker 1: nights of your life, you know, like all that going on,
Speaker 1: But you take a second, you're so consumed with like
Speaker 1: the mess that's that the house is, and what you
Speaker 1: got to do tomorrow and everything going on.
Speaker 2: She still smokes cigarettes once she cooks.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's yeah, and drinks a bottle of one a nightying.
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would change with kids or not.
Speaker 2: I guess no, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I remember reading a uh some some like quip about
Speaker 3: when you have kids that age, the little time you
Speaker 3: put them in the car seat and you shut the door.
Speaker 3: In that little little thirty seconds while you walk around
Speaker 3: to your door, it's like the most peaceful part.
Speaker 2: Of the day. Hey, I'll tell you that. This is
Speaker 2: a true story. So my wife just enrolled our daughter
Speaker 2: in ballet, right she's four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughter does that too.
Speaker 2: So it's next door to her salon that that my
Speaker 2: wife owns. So I have to bring her up there
Speaker 2: on Saturdays because she usually shines working and then I'll
Speaker 2: take her over to dance. I'll put her shoes over
Speaker 2: or whatever. So they have a screen on the wall
Speaker 2: that you can watch the class, like watch them dance
Speaker 2: and dance around and like a TV screen, And I
Speaker 2: always wondered why everybody was sitting like I would drop
Speaker 2: her off, and then i'd take off, you know, and
Speaker 2: cut home depot forty five minutes and then come back
Speaker 2: and get her something. So the other day I dropped
Speaker 2: her off and I walked in and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: it's silent in here. And I had had my one
Speaker 2: and a half year old son and her all morning long.
Speaker 2: You know, this is probably eleven o'clock by the time
Speaker 2: I dropped her off, eleven thirty something, and so I
Speaker 2: just was like, I sat down and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: it's silence. It's silent in here. And I was like
Speaker 2: just watching her like do like her little elsa dances
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I was like, this is kind of peaceful.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm gonna go back. So I
Speaker 2: went back to the salon, fixed a cup of coffee,
Speaker 2: came back to the thing, and sat down and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just gonna she was like, after the thing,
Speaker 2: I come back to the salon and my wife's like,
Speaker 2: did you just go over there and sit? I was
Speaker 2: like yeah, And it was the most relaxing forty five
Speaker 2: minutes of my day, just because it was like she
Speaker 2: had boone and there my son burning the place down,
Speaker 2: you know, and I was over there hanging out, just
Speaker 2: watching my little daughter.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, like tears in your eyes.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Just singing along with this stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I love that song.
Speaker 1: Watched that movie half of that movie this morning. Every morning.
Speaker 2: You all to want or two to change that.
Speaker 3: I remember when my whole house was branded by that movie.
Speaker 3: Every like every towel and you know, dress and everything
Speaker 3: around had had a logo on it and that character
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's over now.
Speaker 2: I'm super cure. I wish we could do this just
Speaker 2: to kind of get some sort of mathematical equation going.
Speaker 2: How much money? Seriously, would you say at this point
Speaker 2: you have invested in elsa Frozen theme? Yeah, Familia, I
Speaker 2: never kept track. I mean, but let's just just shooting.
Speaker 3: I mean, give us hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't think I hit a thousand either, I
Speaker 2: would say I'm in the ballpark, but there were shoes
Speaker 2: and pretty sure, that's pretty cheap. Yeah, but if he's
Speaker 2: four to five hundred dollars a household for girls.
Speaker 3: And how long did that movie come out?
Speaker 2: Right, it's gotta be ten years.
Speaker 3: It's never stopped making money.
Speaker 2: There, no, there is no telling.
Speaker 1: What we were talking about. We were watching the last night.
Speaker 1: Griffin was like, movie, watch a movie and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Frozen and she was like she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Frosen And I was like, what's another one?
Speaker 1: And now they have like old lofts, Christmas Adventures and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and yeah.
Speaker 2: We've done.
Speaker 1: And I told Jordan, I was like, man, like, when
Speaker 1: you get a when you get a roll like Kristen
Speaker 1: Bell or I can't mean a Dinmon's l is that
Speaker 1: is that Elsa which I'm team onor by the way,
Speaker 1: Elsa's drama because already drama Elsa drives me crazy sometimes.
Speaker 2: But but honestly, when.
Speaker 1: You get that point, when when you get that part
Speaker 1: in that movie, you're giving almost like a career. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: there's no telling how much money they've made, just working
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: They don't have to do nothing else.
Speaker 1: No, they can just be that for better or for
Speaker 1: better word.
Speaker 3: Definitely get stuck as that too, no doubt enough about
Speaker 3: the country music team.
Speaker 1: About uh Man. When I found out you were from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I started thinking. I was like, oh, yeah, Minnesota, And
Speaker 1: I was like, which one of those is that up there?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I get Michigan and Ohio mixed up?
Speaker 1: Ohio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same area, Michigan in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Where did are you guys? Where'd you guys from West
Speaker 3: c I grew up in Yeah, outside two hours west.
Speaker 1: We've never lived outside the state, Yeah never, and I've
Speaker 1: never been up there. Like I was thinking, I was like,
Speaker 1: is it the Minton one? But that's that's Michigan, Michigan.
Speaker 1: And then there's Ohio. No, bro, how was.
Speaker 2: Lower what I thought you were doing?
Speaker 3: Quit so then Wisconsin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Minnesota, Wisconsin? Is that how it looks on the map?
Speaker 2: Texas?
Speaker 1: Okay, like that, so it looks like it's the one
Speaker 1: that looks like it took a bite of a piece
Speaker 1: of toast.
Speaker 3: And then Lake Superior is the northeast side of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that helps did you grow Where did you grow up?
Speaker 3: I grew up in the southern part of the state. Okay, uh,
Speaker 3: it's like south of the Twin Cities, which where I
Speaker 3: guess anybody probably knows where that is. Maybe, But and
Speaker 3: then I lived in Duluth for a long time, which
Speaker 3: is on Lake Superior.
Speaker 1: Is that up north? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe an hour and the only thing from.
Speaker 1: The only other thing I know about Minnesota or the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and is isn't that where the largest mall
Speaker 1: in the world is. Yeah, the mall.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's the largest mall in the world.
Speaker 3: The largest mall in the United States. Yeah, the Mall
Speaker 3: of America.
Speaker 1: It better be the biggest mall. It's called.
Speaker 3: It's not far from my house. Really, Yeah, I guess
Speaker 3: I'd just take it for granted, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't look like much of the mall. Guy.
Speaker 3: Roller coasters in there. I've been in there playing roller coasters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole amusement parking.
Speaker 2: You think you can ride a roller coaster right now? No,
Speaker 2: me neither.
Speaker 3: I know that I can, but I know that I
Speaker 3: don't want to.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's what I have done it in the last couple
Speaker 3: of years, dude, but not well, I didn't do it well.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say in the last five years something
Speaker 2: I'm doo the bob Gota is going on. And I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, bro forty, that's yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: You're talking about like you can't like turn around without
Speaker 3: getting dissy.
Speaker 2: I can't swing next to my kid and look at carsick.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: That started in my thirties too. I used to be
Speaker 3: able to do all of like tilt the world.
Speaker 2: Oh I love roller coasters.
Speaker 3: No, no, no for that. And I'm glad it's not
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't get It's not just me, It is.
Speaker 2: Not just you, brou I'm telling you, man, I can't like.
Speaker 3: Get those like copper bracelets or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think you better get them? I
Speaker 1: mean those commercials are for y'all. Now, bro, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this last. The last time I wrote it,
Speaker 1: tilt World was was I was like, I remember mine
Speaker 1: to fourth grade. I was fourth grade. Do you remember
Speaker 1: I was an adult?
Speaker 3: So I found go ahead, this is the last.
Speaker 1: Time, and I will never in my life. When you
Speaker 1: talk about tilta war, you talking about the thing that
Speaker 1: spins real fast on the track that spins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your car is spinning and the whole thing spinning.
Speaker 3: So it's like the earth rotation around the sun.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's except way faster except war puke bro fourth grade,
Speaker 1: I had a crush on this girl. Can't say her name,
Speaker 1: Nicole Curtis. I'm just gonna have to say it. And
Speaker 1: she she She's like, hey, I'm going to the fair.
Speaker 1: You go to the fair to night. I was like,
Speaker 1: I am, now, you know. So we go get my
Speaker 1: buddy Cody. We go to the I think it's Cody.
Speaker 1: We go to the fair. We're hanging out, trying to
Speaker 1: be cool. I got my hair spiked up. I borrowed
Speaker 1: one of Dan's pokashell net this isn't Warrior. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so we're at this thing. Dude, I'm a funnel cake freak.
Speaker 1: I love funnel cakes still. So my buddy gets one.
Speaker 1: I get one. My dad gave me like ten bucks.
Speaker 1: Cody got one. I got one. I eat all mine.
Speaker 1: Cody's half of his and he's like he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go throw this way. I was like, what,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna throw the funnel cake away? I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll eat it. Eat the rest of his. As soon
Speaker 1: as we get done to throw our stuff away, the
Speaker 1: girls are like, hey, let's go ride the tills World.
Speaker 1: I was like, in, So we get in, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like maneuvering to try to sit by the Nicole,
Speaker 1: the one I got a crush on, get in there,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out. I was like, man, this is cool.
Speaker 1: You know we're doing it. Things start spinning real slow,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, this is awesome. You know I
Speaker 1: got there, my buddy's there and starts spinning a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is going pretty fast. About
Speaker 1: halfway in, so we're.
Speaker 2: I'm just.
Speaker 1: I'm holding on son And about that time, dude, if
Speaker 1: you were outside of looking in, bro, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a water hose.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: That's what was happening. It's a trifugal force. That is
Speaker 1: the last time we got done and they all everybody
Speaker 1: got stepped off the thing.
Speaker 2: Gross.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's up.
Speaker 1: Never never dated. Nicole Curzon got.
Speaker 3: What movie there's an old movie where kids standlight Thank you?
Speaker 3: They all tried to in tobacco. They're on the roller
Speaker 3: coast or whatever. Maybe it's I don't remember, but they
Speaker 3: all throw up all over everybody.
Speaker 2: Remember, Yeah, I remember my first dip and I was
Speaker 2: playing RBI baseball.
Speaker 3: Remember that one too.
Speaker 2: I was playing rb I baseball and I was like
Speaker 2: this ain't that bad? And I was on couch about
Speaker 2: like this frumpy little couch. How old were you?
Speaker 1: Where'd you get it?
Speaker 2: I was a freshman in college. That's the first time
Speaker 2: I ever tried to dip and I raised up dude
Speaker 2: once again. I'm feeling sick right now thinking about in
Speaker 2: the room with real and my buddy, he's green. Get
Speaker 2: him on the porch and he pulled my lip out
Speaker 2: like this and ran his own finger in there, scooped it,
Speaker 2: slung it out. He's a hero hero, well kind of.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I ran my tongue in where he had and
Speaker 2: I hit some of that grain, literally threw up all
Speaker 2: the way home. Oh man. They took me home passed out.
Speaker 2: And to this day, that was twenty something years ago,
Speaker 2: and I can't I cannot smell.
Speaker 3: When I can't smell, Yeah, I have a similar reaction
Speaker 3: to that smell.
Speaker 2: Mine.
Speaker 3: Mine wasn't from from chewing my My first time I
Speaker 3: tried chewing tobacco was in class tenth grade eng this class,
Speaker 3: passing it under get to the class and I ran
Speaker 3: and I threw up in the skull winter green. It
Speaker 3: was winter green. And then I had this is I'm
Speaker 3: sorry about this was a party in high school. And
Speaker 3: I set my beer down and then I turned around
Speaker 3: talk and I turned around and grab what I thought
Speaker 3: was my beer.
Speaker 1: I've been there full spit her in the mouth and that, yeah,
Speaker 1: got it. Bro That brought up like the most disgusting
Speaker 1: threw up on the podcast at the same Mine was
Speaker 1: through a McDonald's straw. Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought
Speaker 1: I was drinking sweet tea.
Speaker 2: It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not sweet tea in the bottom back up,
Speaker 1: brous you could stand up in like Hockel right now,
Speaker 1: me and that Okay, okay, that's how sweet.
Speaker 2: First forty minutest tears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about I went on a deep dive
Speaker 1: on boundary waters last.
Speaker 2: I really excited about water.
Speaker 1: I want to take like I want to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great, I want I want to. My kids are
Speaker 1: under too, so we're not gonna do that yet. But
Speaker 1: but like my dad just took our nephew's camping for
Speaker 1: like three days just around here a little uh when
Speaker 1: they went to Montgomery, Bill, and like I would FaceTime
Speaker 1: them every morning because like, that's that's what we did
Speaker 1: when we were younger. Man, there was I got so
Speaker 1: many great Some of my favorite memories are from setting
Speaker 1: up a tent and camping overnight, waking up early and
Speaker 1: that smell and starting the fire and getting cooking breakfast
Speaker 1: and all that. And Dude, I was I was looking
Speaker 1: with reading your your statue and uh saw where you
Speaker 1: you did some work with that and are from up there? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, Man, I've heard of the Boundary Waters before,
Speaker 1: but I've never I'm in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an amazingly beautiful place. You know. It's it's
Speaker 3: for as far as like the eastern United States. It's
Speaker 3: very remote. I think it's it's one point two million
Speaker 3: acres that's all for those of you listening. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's all supers. It's all what sorry lakes now
Speaker 3: border Canada them, hence the name.
Speaker 1: Eleven hundred Lakes that strip. I think it's like one
Speaker 1: hundred miles of the border between Minnesota and Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know that, but I believe, I believe.
Speaker 1: I think I'm positive.
Speaker 2: I think that I do.
Speaker 3: Uh, but you know, the camping in there is paddling,
Speaker 3: so you canoe across the lake, put everything on your
Speaker 3: back and portage your gear to the next lake.
Speaker 2: So it's not connected there waterways.
Speaker 3: There are some rivers through there, yes, but it's it's
Speaker 3: mostly connected by a short you know what's called portages,
Speaker 3: but second old voyager trail.
Speaker 2: So you are literally popping light to lake. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: not it's not like a continual river system that just runs.
Speaker 3: There are some some trips you can do that would
Speaker 3: probably you probably wouldn't have to get out of your boat.
Speaker 3: But and it's all there's no motors allowed, not even
Speaker 3: electric motors. So if you go on there ice fishing
Speaker 3: in the winter, you have to use a manual auger,
Speaker 3: not even drill.
Speaker 2: How does a manual order work in my mind as
Speaker 2: a butter like a butter chain, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: you just drill down and then.
Speaker 3: But it's because of rules like that there and how
Speaker 3: protected that area is. It's amazing. It's an amazing fishery,
Speaker 3: right because there's the water is really clean. The only
Speaker 3: pressure gets her from people and canoes, yeah, which.
Speaker 1: Only hard cores are going to do.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's great. It's it's it's really I go
Speaker 3: at least once a year now my well, all my
Speaker 3: family has been in there, but my son has started
Speaker 3: to come on have kind of an annual guys trip.
Speaker 3: My son started to come on that now. So yeah,
Speaker 3: fishing is great.
Speaker 2: Line out. How you could do this trip? Sure, like
Speaker 2: would you take little kids? Not really?
Speaker 3: Definitely can Yeah, any any you can do anything from
Speaker 3: you know, you can do anything from a day out
Speaker 3: on one lake and stay at a cabin, her lodge
Speaker 3: or something like that on the edge around. Once you're
Speaker 3: in the actual wilderness, it's all just.
Speaker 2: Actual wilderness.
Speaker 3: What that's like, it's a border, right, so drop you
Speaker 3: can drive to the to outside of it. So around
Speaker 3: the Bondy Waters like picture like a group of lakes
Speaker 3: and like around that southern rima.
Speaker 1: Is that the Flint Trail, the gun Flint Trail.
Speaker 3: Gun Flint Trail is one access to it. That's a
Speaker 3: road now and there's a few other that come up
Speaker 3: from those show of lakes up here that go north
Speaker 3: to the Bondywaters, depending on what side you want to
Speaker 3: go in. All the lakes on the edge of that
Speaker 3: are usually maybe half in the Bondywater's wilderness and half
Speaker 3: out or whatever. Although like the little they called Bondywater's
Speaker 3: access points, right, a lot of them have outfitters nearby
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But yeah, you can go. You go
Speaker 3: in and you come out. You have to fill a
Speaker 3: permit just telling where your pointed departure is, how many
Speaker 3: days you expect to be in. There really no phone
Speaker 3: service most of it, but it's yeah, I mean you
Speaker 3: can go, like I said, you can stay at a cabin,
Speaker 3: paddle around on a couple of lakes, day trip a
Speaker 3: few lakes away if you want portage in, or you
Speaker 3: can go as long as you want, man all.
Speaker 1: The way back in.
Speaker 3: There's just supposed to cross into Canada.
Speaker 2: It's kind of oh really yeah, so as long as
Speaker 2: you is the north side of the boundary.
Speaker 3: It flows right into Canada and the up up there
Speaker 3: it's uh, I forget that. Their their name Quetico, it's
Speaker 3: the it's the same, yeah, landscape. They have a national
Speaker 3: park just like canoes canoes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really canos and kayaks that's all you can use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen kayaks and canoes are you know, depending
Speaker 3: what you're doing, whether you can fit a out of
Speaker 3: gear in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 3: It's it's nice because it's it's backcountry camping. But you
Speaker 3: can be a little heavier because you're paddling it around, right,
Speaker 3: So you know we bring like the big pans and yeah,
Speaker 3: like the lotto food.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it's it's for us. It's our not
Speaker 3: part of the country really the whole Midwest. It's just
Speaker 3: like the biggest wilderness that we have.
Speaker 1: So it's a pretty special place. I was reading that.
Speaker 1: It was something on the bw C A pages like
Speaker 1: the something Angler, but it was an article on that thing,
Speaker 1: and it was talking about is like when when you
Speaker 1: talk about Minnesota, which is the land of ten thousand Lakes,
Speaker 1: right and all the amazing fisheries on that place. Everybody
Speaker 1: talks about the Mississippi River or mill Lax or that
Speaker 1: type of thing. And I've watched you have done your research. Well,
Speaker 1: I just I read about it last night, and I've
Speaker 1: watched some some like bass bass tournaments up there when
Speaker 1: they're they're finesse fishing for small mouth. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But they the guy that was
Speaker 1: writing this article was like, nobody ever talks about Boundary
Speaker 1: waters and it is one of the most legendary fisheries
Speaker 1: and the and I'm not trying and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's enough people wo listen to this. Hopefully maybe one day,
Speaker 1: but to give that away, but like that to me,
Speaker 1: to pack a canoe in there with your family and
Speaker 1: take some rods and reels and oh that's it, and dude,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we go gross sunding in there too, So it's
Speaker 3: all it's all now, it's all part of a national forest,
Speaker 3: so it's all like it's a national forest that has
Speaker 3: a few extra regulations on it. Okay, Superior National Force, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: Superior National Force. So that the last two years I've gone,
Speaker 3: at the end of September two years ago was with
Speaker 3: I'm on the board of directors for organization called Sportsmen
Speaker 3: for the Bonder Waters yep. So like I'm fishing and
Speaker 3: hunting kind of focused conservation group up there, and we
Speaker 3: took a trip together. And then last year the same
Speaker 3: time of year, our band trampled by turtles, most of
Speaker 3: us and you can your largest group you can go
Speaker 3: in with is nine people, right, so we filled it
Speaker 3: with band and crew. We kind of like like our
Speaker 3: company retreat and jam and grouse rough grouse and there's
Speaker 3: spruce grouse in there too, and green grosse. Hunting and
Speaker 3: fishing for like a week. It's wonderful. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's great because I love the hard work involved
Speaker 3: in it. It's a it's a it's a real like
Speaker 3: you feel pretty accomplished to get back as far if
Speaker 3: you want to go back in there pretty far. So
Speaker 3: it's a lot of work, especially with kids and you know,
Speaker 3: other people whatever, But it's a it's a wonderful way.
Speaker 3: It's just quiet and beautiful that way. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds gros.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might as well leave your like leave your
Speaker 1: I think you said, like phone animals. Yeah, I leave
Speaker 1: it in the truck. You're not going to get service.
Speaker 3: And just in the small case that I might, because nowadays,
Speaker 3: sure that boundary has definitely gotten farther out.
Speaker 1: There's a few years ago I was.
Speaker 3: In the Bondy Waters but not very far, maybe like
Speaker 3: a lake or two back from the road, and I
Speaker 3: had phone service and that kind of bummed me out.
Speaker 2: So if you have like a boogie wife, you just
Speaker 2: need to leave her outside the park.
Speaker 3: Oh, you never know, man, you might be. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: like to feel I like to think that you can
Speaker 3: always be surprised.
Speaker 1: But but there's lots.
Speaker 3: Of comfortable, you know, really easy ways to enjoy that
Speaker 3: environment as well.
Speaker 1: The coolest thing I heard, or the one that caught
Speaker 1: my attention most is like that was saying how you
Speaker 1: can different ways to enjoy it, and one of them
Speaker 1: was a lot of people will take Yeah, pack up
Speaker 1: a canoe, go in there and set up like a
Speaker 1: base camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just fish out.
Speaker 1: Then you just travel. You go to a lake, a
Speaker 1: couple of lakes, do the thing, you hit a couple
Speaker 1: of portages, come back. I like that.
Speaker 3: That's great with kids too, Yeah, because you can make
Speaker 3: your little your little home base, you know, chop a
Speaker 3: bunch of wood, a big kitchen, kind of set up
Speaker 3: the other way, you know, that's very popular. It is
Speaker 3: more nomadic, you just make out.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, it probably doesn't work as well with kids,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if they are speaking to me in surprised, man,
Speaker 3: I was definitely nervous the first time I took my
Speaker 3: kids on a trip like that, and they.
Speaker 2: Just they slayed it.
Speaker 3: It ran though. First time. That's our whole family went in.
Speaker 3: It rained the end four days we were there, it
Speaker 3: rained three of the days solid rain. It's still they
Speaker 3: were they were just had their little ringcoats on, and
Speaker 3: they didn't even act.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear one thing about it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's so proud of them.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. You say that about like getting your
Speaker 2: kids involved in it. I mean, we were just talking
Speaker 2: about our nephews going with our dad, and I will
Speaker 2: call and check into like because our oh he's gonna
Speaker 2: hear this. Our dad's nearly seventy, and so even though
Speaker 2: he is completely able bodied, able minded, you still have
Speaker 2: to be conscious of where they're at, what they're doing,
Speaker 2: especially with our nephews or like what twelve and eight
Speaker 2: or something fourteen nine, so whatever. So so you cool, y'all.
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty cool. Like it was like in
Speaker 2: the thirties. The first night they were low thirties twenty
Speaker 2: oh was it? Many of them nipped into the twenties.
Speaker 2: So we were like kind of checking to see if
Speaker 2: everything went good than before, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: called my dad, he didn't answer. I called my nephew.
Speaker 2: He answered. I was like, man, how's it going. He
Speaker 2: was like oh, I'm just sitting down here by the fire.
Speaker 2: And it was almost like a different energy to him,
Speaker 2: like a more like jacked up energy instead of the
Speaker 2: sub uncle damn kind of thing, you know, like you're
Speaker 2: talking about. He was excited.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: And so after the trip, I said, man, how was it,
Speaker 2: you know? And he was like, man, I think we're
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna turn this into her every every
Speaker 2: year boys trip. So so booed and OK, and y'all
Speaker 2: you that's his son, and like we can all go together.
Speaker 2: And man, I think just a great point that you
Speaker 2: we're kind of making is like, even though there are anxiety,
Speaker 2: even though there is anxiety that comes with getting your
Speaker 2: kids out into that stuff, if you can just do
Speaker 2: it and let them, then it's will put it up
Speaker 2: in our heads to be the scary unattainable.
Speaker 3: They're closer to nature than we are, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They just kind of got here, I feel like,
Speaker 3: and they at least when they were younger, especially my kids,
Speaker 3: I felt like they could kind of enjoy themselves anywhere.
Speaker 3: But I think they really like to be outside. They
Speaker 3: just like it. Like I don't know how your kids
Speaker 3: are in their babies.
Speaker 2: But their babies.
Speaker 3: But they love my kids are babies. That was one
Speaker 3: of the ways I get to stop crying is just
Speaker 3: walk outside you and there's something about being out there
Speaker 3: that it's very natural for them. I think it's and
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people have varying degrees of
Speaker 3: comfort doing that. But and it's also not like if
Speaker 3: you're going to take your kids fishing. It's not like
Speaker 3: you going fishing and relaxing. No, I mean you don't
Speaker 3: even fish. So but it's it's an investment than in them.
Speaker 3: I think like they if they get that skill set,
Speaker 3: whether they want to do it their whole lives or not,
Speaker 3: at least they have it and they know what it is.
Speaker 3: And to me, that's that's like reading you know, conservationists.
Speaker 3: Maybe in a way I just fall in love with you.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite point has been made on this podcast.
Speaker 2: The kids are closer to nature than we are because
Speaker 2: they don't have the years of annoyance.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: It's so true, man, And maybe that's I've been making
Speaker 2: this point on this podcast a million times. I've said it,
Speaker 2: but like I'm kind of buying into like some holistic
Speaker 2: stuff in the sense that like if my kids are
Speaker 2: outside for an hour. If I can just get them
Speaker 2: in mind Yon four and too. Yeah, if I can
Speaker 2: get them outside for an hour, they eat better, they
Speaker 2: sleep better there more, their manners are better.
Speaker 3: They're I am too, My manners are better. Yeah, actually
Speaker 3: better person, you know, dude, I go. I mean you
Speaker 3: guys probably if I probably anybody that's invested in the
Speaker 3: outdoors in some way, you start to go a little
Speaker 3: nuts if you don't get it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just coming out of my seasonal depression
Speaker 1: because it's been like because it's been rain and cold
Speaker 1: and nasty, and you just you're cooped up inside for
Speaker 1: since Christmas almost right, and now it's getting the weather's
Speaker 1: getting a little bit better.
Speaker 3: You can get outside, and yeah it's the best, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that's a great point. Man. I love that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I want to get mine out as
Speaker 2: fast as I can. There's still a little toddler.
Speaker 3: I like. I started camping with mine at that age,
Speaker 3: and I loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of work, you know, but everything about
Speaker 3: being your parents a lot of work. And going to
Speaker 3: the grocery store is a lot of work, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you can you can sit on the couch
Speaker 1: and put a tablet in front of yeah, and get
Speaker 1: your time and it's easy. But it's not. It's not.
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something that you just just watching
Speaker 3: them be out there, it's wonderful. I love watching them
Speaker 3: like their imaginations work in the woods, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean for sure and make a little forts or
Speaker 3: whatever they do. And I remember being that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's and then they're appreciate beautiful to see. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so proud you absolutely what. My little girl got her
Speaker 1: first splinter yesterday and she was at More at breakfast.
Speaker 1: She was sitting in a chair and she was looking
Speaker 1: at it and like she they were telling her what
Speaker 1: it was and she just couldn't figure it out. And
Speaker 1: last night, my wife, yeah, she was just like this.
Speaker 1: And last night we were nervous about getting it out
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And last night, I mean, Jordan
Speaker 1: talked to her. She was like, hey, this is what's
Speaker 1: gonna and like Griffin didn't even She went in there
Speaker 1: and grabbed it with a tweezers and got it out
Speaker 1: and Griffin didn't even cry because I think she was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was happening.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But I was almost proud that, Like I was like splinter,
Speaker 1: like here's a spidaddy whiskey. But but yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good point. Ye get them outside, man,
Speaker 1: you bet.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. I think back to
Speaker 2: like I never remember a day where I sat inside
Speaker 2: and watched the movie with my dad, But I can
Speaker 2: remember going fishing with you. I can We're going camping
Speaker 2: with him. I can remember that. Yeah, him killing deer
Speaker 2: and me going up with him to see him, and
Speaker 2: me and Ree being so excited me we were. He
Speaker 2: would come get us if he if he got a
Speaker 2: good buck, you know, he would come pull me and
Speaker 2: right out of school. Yeah, and we well holiday, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we get a little bit of a holiday, and you
Speaker 2: know we packed if I anty sausages and crackers and
Speaker 2: you know, just go out there and kind of make
Speaker 2: a little celebration kind of day of it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you are a parent, you don't really
Speaker 3: realize that you're making that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like when you think back, it's just like daily life
Speaker 3: kind of. And then I have beencome more conscious of
Speaker 3: that if my kids have gotten older, just because they
Speaker 3: start to tell me about memories now that they've had
Speaker 3: when they were younger. Oh my god, I really messed
Speaker 3: that one up.
Speaker 2: So I don't have that yet. So they're telling you
Speaker 2: about it maybe, Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: You gotta think it's hard to keep that. I never
Speaker 3: really kept it in the front of my mind. But
Speaker 3: I think it would be cool to to realize that
Speaker 3: what you're doing with them right now is how they
Speaker 3: will see you, you know, camping with them or a
Speaker 3: hundred fishing or whatever. That's a big deal.
Speaker 2: Make the effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, it's still worth it.
Speaker 2: So how did that? How does your love for the
Speaker 2: outdoors and your responsibilities honestly coincide with your band life?
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about that a pretty good bit
Speaker 2: with the people who are genuinely caring about, you know,
Speaker 2: hunting and fishing. A lot of the time, people outside
Speaker 2: of that don't understand that that is a major part
Speaker 2: of our lifestyle. Sure, you have to make it kind
Speaker 2: of lego fit into your your touring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've kind of taken several different approaches to that
Speaker 3: my whole career. I think in the beginning, I could
Speaker 3: just use the freedom of this way of work or
Speaker 3: this like this line of work, you know, because when
Speaker 3: I when I go on the road, but then i'm home.
Speaker 3: Before having kids, you had a lot of space. I
Speaker 3: had a lot of space there, you know. So then
Speaker 3: I would just go out and I'd be able to
Speaker 3: go out to the woods Monday afternoon while everybody else
Speaker 3: is at work. And I got really used to not
Speaker 3: spending my weekends doing it.
Speaker 2: But which is great, it's actually not. I love it.
Speaker 3: So there's one way where it works really well. In
Speaker 3: the last few years, I've started to use touring as
Speaker 3: a way to explore new places. So try to get
Speaker 3: a day off somewhere cool, you know. Like last summer
Speaker 3: I was fly fishing in Montana two days. We've done
Speaker 3: the same in Washington.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I booked like bird hunting trips around shows, and so
Speaker 3: now I see it as like a way for me
Speaker 3: to get places where I probably wouldn't be going right
Speaker 3: now in this point of my life, you know, without
Speaker 3: the band. And so to me it works out great.
Speaker 2: Did they hunt fishing?
Speaker 3: A couple of them will come fishing. Actually, our banjo
Speaker 3: player took his firearm safety this.
Speaker 1: So we're going to get him. Yeah, he's sitting on
Speaker 1: the bus.
Speaker 3: Get yeah, but we you know, I whether nobody's ever
Speaker 3: been unwilling to do stuff like this, but you know,
Speaker 3: I have kind of pushed the band into some more.
Speaker 3: For instance, a couple of weeks ago, Pheasant Fest is
Speaker 3: a big it's Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever's big annual conference,
Speaker 3: showroom floor kind of.
Speaker 1: It travels.
Speaker 3: But this year it was in in Sioux Falls, South Dakota,
Speaker 3: and we did we worked with them and made our
Speaker 3: concerts like a kickoff party the night before, and it
Speaker 3: was a fundraiser for Pheasants Forever Quail Forever and you
Speaker 3: know the band, I'm the only one in the fall
Speaker 3: that will probably be bird hunting, but they're all cool
Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, and they're all, you know for that
Speaker 3: for an organization like that, that's that does so much
Speaker 3: habitat work, there's lots of people that don't haunt birds
Speaker 3: that benefit from that.
Speaker 2: So I think that kind of there's animals that aren't
Speaker 2: necessarily game animals the benefit from that too. We're pretty
Speaker 2: tucked in with n WTF and do some stuff. We're
Speaker 2: not artists.
Speaker 3: That's a great one too. Yeah, Man, love the world
Speaker 3: such a success story.
Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for those you know, I mean the
Speaker 2: fact that there are ten times the turkeys that there were.
Speaker 3: It's unreal fifty years ago. And it just takes people
Speaker 3: caring about.
Speaker 1: It for sure, you know, and doing something about it.
Speaker 3: And that's what the hunting community does for the environment
Speaker 3: in general, is that they care so much that everything
Speaker 3: else that lives on that landscape benefits from that work.
Speaker 3: But without that, you know, there's I mean, those turkey
Speaker 3: would probably.
Speaker 2: Homes or Yeah, man, you know what, dude, we talk
Speaker 2: about it a pretty good bit. But man, it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can call me a lot if you
Speaker 2: want to, but honting is conservation.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with that, you know.
Speaker 2: Because if you if there is nobody to regulate and
Speaker 2: care about habitat, they go away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and I know there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a hard sell for some people.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: I see it in music a lot. I talk to
Speaker 3: a lot of people about, you know, other musicians or whatever,
Speaker 3: studio in the studio, just people that work in our
Speaker 3: commune unity that it doesn't overlap with hunting and fishing
Speaker 3: all that much.
Speaker 2: You would think that it would, but it really does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, but I love having open conversations
Speaker 3: about it with people because I like to because for me,
Speaker 3: I got I have an adult onset hunter, right like,
Speaker 3: I started late later in life, and I was surprised
Speaker 3: by how a lot of people approached it from the
Speaker 3: conservation point of view, which I you know, growing up
Speaker 3: not hunting. I think there's a lot of preconceptions about
Speaker 3: I mean, preconceptions about hunting is very broad, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if the general public understands a lot of
Speaker 3: the care that goes in to preserving the landscape.
Speaker 2: So can you lock up yourself now, travel back twenty
Speaker 2: years and tap into what some of those preconceptions were.
Speaker 2: I'm super curious as to what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of I guess we were in it
Speaker 3: and most people are that I've met, most people that
Speaker 3: that hunt I've done so because it's it's not like
Speaker 3: an activity you pick up in life, like golf or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like a lifestyle.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a choice, yeah, and that's kind of
Speaker 3: I mean that was with me with fishing too, That's
Speaker 3: just what we did. You know, everywhere you looked as
Speaker 3: a lake where I grew up, and so everybody just
Speaker 3: it was just what you did on the weekend or whatever.
Speaker 3: But and so I get that point of view too,
Speaker 3: and it's just, oh, this is just how we live
Speaker 3: kind of. But yeah, from outside, I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people think of it as probably less intelligent
Speaker 3: than it is. There's also been a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: like in any community, there's people that don't do it right,
Speaker 3: and they're usually louder and get more attention, and so
Speaker 3: what do you know, it seems, you know, so there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people have a lot of views about
Speaker 3: the firearms, about killing. In our modern you know, food landscape,
Speaker 3: people are pretty removed from I think most of us
Speaker 3: are very more from where our food comes from. And
Speaker 3: I you know, I've had conversations with people while we
Speaker 3: were eating burgers about about how they didn't know if
Speaker 3: they could kill an animal to eat it, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, that's fine, that's nice that somebody
Speaker 3: else can do that for you. But I think that
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have to be for everybody. I mean,
Speaker 3: if everybody hunted, to be hard to find a spot
Speaker 3: to go, but it's already But and that, you know,
Speaker 3: in that same vein, the more people that you get
Speaker 3: to care about and do it. Hopefully that creates more
Speaker 3: what we were just talking about, like it creates more
Speaker 3: habitat because people start caring about it and they want
Speaker 3: to deserve at least what.
Speaker 1: There is and looking at it through that lens. Like
Speaker 1: we didn't grow up necessarily coming up being like, oh
Speaker 1: we're conservations, were hunters, but but learning about conservation and
Speaker 1: that process through that, you know, the lifetime of hunting,
Speaker 1: you know, brought us to where we're at now, you
Speaker 1: bet and are all about.
Speaker 3: That com And I think, even if it's not conscious
Speaker 3: in somebody's mind, that there's a connection that you as
Speaker 3: a hunter when you're out you have a connection to
Speaker 3: that particular landscape that's deeper than really than any other
Speaker 3: human activity. I think you you can go bird watching,
Speaker 3: which is wonderful probably, but it's not the same as
Speaker 3: you learn so much about every step that you take
Speaker 3: out there. You know why you're there, what the winds doing,
Speaker 3: what the groundcover looks like, all of those things. You
Speaker 3: pay attention to that. So you know, even if you're
Speaker 3: an old guy that that just grew up hunting and
Speaker 3: it's you don't even think you know the word conservation.
Speaker 3: You kind of area anyway, just caring about.
Speaker 2: If your license, if you're buying, you're contributing, whether you
Speaker 2: know it or not.
Speaker 1: And staying within the guidelines of of the.
Speaker 3: You are, within your limit or whatever you are. That's
Speaker 3: that's our model of conservation.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man. I'm thankful that that you came home and
Speaker 2: talked about that. I feel like there's a lack of
Speaker 2: understanding and a lot what I run into a lot
Speaker 2: with people who don't understand it. I get why they
Speaker 2: don't get it. If I didn't, if I didn't grow
Speaker 2: up seeing an understanding deer coming in, seeing them be processed,
Speaker 2: seeing them go to the freezer, seeing them coming out
Speaker 2: of the freezer and be turned into meals for my family,
Speaker 2: Like I understood the entire process by the time I
Speaker 2: was ten eleven years old. And there's always that initial
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can't wait to kill my first buck,
Speaker 2: you know thing my dad fed our family with sauger, crappie,
Speaker 2: bass brim deer, turkey. I mean, we it's what we ate,
Speaker 2: it's what we grew up doing, and so I feel
Speaker 2: like there's a little bit more of a conscious consciousness
Speaker 2: to understanding why what happened through the process. But if
Speaker 2: I didn't do that and all I saw was the
Speaker 2: outdoor channel or whatever. But whatever hunting general you turned to,
Speaker 2: and it's just and there was this kind of weird
Speaker 2: dark mid nineties early two thousand things where people were
Speaker 2: just it was just like you turn on the channel.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Without the talk of the contole context.
Speaker 2: It was all it's all dirt. This is conquering, remember,
Speaker 2: it was this conquering.
Speaker 3: Look a look at me, which which we have in
Speaker 3: there totally, you know, instead of more, instead of more
Speaker 3: of like a partnership with the animal right.
Speaker 2: And I love what's happening as far as like kind
Speaker 2: of an awakening of man. We're responsible for this. We
Speaker 2: can contribute to this. It's just it just happens to
Speaker 2: be our time, you know, to to enjoy it as well.
Speaker 2: But man, turkey and deer and I mean elk and
Speaker 2: pheasants won't hopefully be here well well after we're gone.
Speaker 2: But we have to do the work now. And or
Speaker 2: when I when I say work, I mean contribute. Reading. However,
Speaker 2: you can contribute to having that habitat and to having
Speaker 2: those animals, you know, be able to grow and continue
Speaker 2: to numbers to rise.
Speaker 1: We're being able to enjoy it the way we are
Speaker 1: because people before us did that, like just set their
Speaker 1: course to preserve land and the animal.
Speaker 3: And when you have freedom to do the kids of
Speaker 3: your own, you start thinking like that, no doubt, you
Speaker 3: know what world are you going to get? We were
Speaker 3: just talking about with turkeys though they were pretty much
Speaker 3: gone at least in Minnesota they were gone. They were gone.
Speaker 2: Now they're like forty nited states. I think, yeah, everything,
Speaker 2: but the last.
Speaker 3: We had no eagles. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 3: remember seeing a bald eagle.
Speaker 2: And it was like, I feel like we've been seeing more.
Speaker 3: Wild and there. I mean on the Mississippi Mississippi Flyway,
Speaker 3: you know, Minneapolis, Mississippi River goes right through there. They're
Speaker 3: everywhere now and so there's the that's a real visible
Speaker 3: kind of tactle rewards that we've been able to see
Speaker 3: evenion just in our lifetime. And how fast you can really,
Speaker 3: like if I like what we said before, if a
Speaker 3: bunch of people really care about something, it can really
Speaker 3: make a difference fast, no doubt, incredible. I mean, nature
Speaker 3: regenerates itself if it's allowed to. If you burn a
Speaker 3: field or whatever, that next year. It's the best it's
Speaker 3: ever been.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, absolutely, Yeah, we're on that where I'm on
Speaker 2: that same program of letting just all. I've probably not
Speaker 2: my entire place, but I'll probably had twenty or thirty
Speaker 2: acres that we're just letting, oh yeah, just grow. And
Speaker 2: then because I would love and I was, this is
Speaker 2: getting a little line king, and I apologize, but like
Speaker 2: me and my my son and my daughter will go
Speaker 2: out to the tallest point in our place and just
Speaker 2: kind of look over everything and you can kind of
Speaker 2: see into that valley, and uh, that's all he wants
Speaker 2: to do. Go for a ride, Go for ride. I'll
Speaker 2: take them with Siler and we'll ride out there almost
Speaker 2: every night. And so as we're sitting there, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I really hope in my lifetime that I can hear
Speaker 2: Quail in this section. Occasionally we would run into him.
Speaker 2: I remember running into a cove in you know, Ali,
Speaker 2: like ten years ten fifteen years ago, seeing some quil.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're around, They're sparse, but they're around there.
Speaker 2: So I mean, how cool would it be though, if
Speaker 2: by the time he's sitting up there with his kid
Speaker 2: looking over you know, this property, going man, my dad.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mom, I'm out right right, I'm up there
Speaker 2: hanging with Jesus. And he's going, hey man, my dad
Speaker 2: allowed this stuff to grow up. And now we're on
Speaker 2: a four year burn cycle or three year burn cycle.
Speaker 2: And listen to all those quil and there's just Quail
Speaker 2: out there, like just going.
Speaker 3: Nothing definitely happened that fast. You know, if they have
Speaker 3: the habitat, they just show up. Magic kind of. There's
Speaker 3: a book. It feels like there's this great book called
Speaker 3: for a Handful of Feathers. You ever heard that? I
Speaker 3: haven't author Gee d love Alden is this He's got
Speaker 3: an interesting story. But he is a French from France,
Speaker 3: and he's like.
Speaker 2: He's like.
Speaker 3: He's noble, like he's a blue blood and he kind
Speaker 3: of when he was young and he kind of like
Speaker 3: withdrew from that and bought a place in Florida. And
Speaker 3: that book is about he's a bird hunter. And that
Speaker 3: book is about how he managed this farm that he bought.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like decrepit old like abandoned farmhouse or whatever,
Speaker 3: and he manages that whole property for doing exactly what
Speaker 3: you're talking about for Quail, and it's his the kind
Speaker 3: of journey through that the Cobies come back.
Speaker 1: It's great. And he's also like I don't know if.
Speaker 3: You ever read any like Jim Harrison or he's kind
Speaker 3: of debaucherous seventies, you know, like big appetites and yeah,
Speaker 3: but they pretty much spent all the time fishing and
Speaker 3: hunting or whatever. He was in that crew. But it's
Speaker 3: it's yeah for a handful of feathers.
Speaker 2: And definitely checked that out because I can't remember the
Speaker 2: last time that I remember it.
Speaker 1: Read a book, read a book.
Speaker 2: No, I'll read about talking about my busting a covey
Speaker 2: of quail. Yeah, on our west.
Speaker 1: And you go out to Kansas or somewhere like that
Speaker 1: where they're they're everywhere everywhere, man, and it is a
Speaker 1: spectacle to watch. Cool watch them do the thing. Super cool.
Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about bird hunting. How
Speaker 2: did you had you get into that?
Speaker 3: I well, I got into it kind of in my head.
Speaker 3: It's by accident, but I don't really believe that. But
Speaker 3: there's an outdoors radio show in Minneapolis Fan Outdoors, and
Speaker 3: it's not it's like on local sports radio station.
Speaker 2: There's a sports radio station that does.
Speaker 3: It's like seven times it's early morning on Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: It's awesome and it's just these two guys that talk
Speaker 3: about hunting and fishing for a couple hours and all
Speaker 3: that would be great on that uh And you know,
Speaker 3: like we were saying before, I wasn't hunting at the time,
Speaker 3: but I grew up fishing and I still I trout
Speaker 3: fish whatever. And so it's kind of the only I
Speaker 3: just head on at the house every Saturday. I get
Speaker 3: up and I uh, you know, making breakfast or whatever.
Speaker 3: And it was just on the radio, and I got
Speaker 3: to become a fan, as you do. I love I
Speaker 3: love I love talk radio in that way where people
Speaker 3: just kind of you just kind of get used to
Speaker 3: the voices. Maybe I just became a fan of comfort One.
Speaker 3: One of the co hosts of that show is Bob
Speaker 3: Saint Pierre and he's uh, I remember his title vice
Speaker 3: president of marketing or something, sorry, Bob pro peasants forever.
Speaker 3: And he says something about our band and he had
Speaker 3: like seen us or whatever it was, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, they're talking about And so
Speaker 3: I reached out to him just to say thanks for
Speaker 3: the plug, and hey, I'm a big list you know,
Speaker 3: I listen every week and I was, you know, I
Speaker 3: was streaming and on tour and everything. Yeah, so we
Speaker 3: started this conversation and uh, Bob is a is a
Speaker 3: hunting recruiter man.
Speaker 1: He loves to spread.
Speaker 3: He's a diehard conservationist and he loves to spread his
Speaker 3: love bird honey. And so he invited me to come
Speaker 3: out for pheasant Opener. And they have an annual trips. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they stay at the host, the radio host cabin.
Speaker 3: His family comes in and it's a big, you know,
Speaker 3: annual weekend. And so I, yeah, I and the same
Speaker 3: as our banjo player before or this year. I took
Speaker 3: my fire I'm safety on tour and you know, before
Speaker 3: shows or whatever online and got my license, got all
Speaker 3: got all set and and he took me out very generously.
Speaker 3: Now that I know what it is to take somebody
Speaker 3: out like that in a group that he's known his
Speaker 3: whole life, you know. And it went great, and I
Speaker 3: was I was hooked man for.
Speaker 1: That first trip.
Speaker 3: But we had a we had I got we saw
Speaker 3: a bunch of birds. I saw that whole process for
Speaker 3: my first time in my mind was fully blown. It
Speaker 3: was yeah, man, it's you know the relationship with the
Speaker 3: dogs and just watching this whole thing. And then at
Speaker 3: night we stayed stay at the cabin and we had
Speaker 3: a big game bird feast over dinner, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I love this. I do this a lot more, and
Speaker 3: now it's become a real central part of my life.
Speaker 3: That's all in the last you know, that was now
Speaker 3: six years ago.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: People are like, man, I thought, I thought these bands
Speaker 1: like partied and rock Stars, and no, we're taking hunter
Speaker 1: safety courses before we're going out.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, there is a little bit of yeah, I
Speaker 3: had a beard at the same time.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go to Trample by Turtles lamb uh.
Speaker 2: Here's what happened here and I we talking about Someney
Speaker 2: and then I even tried to into the second.
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a music podcast.
Speaker 1: This is what we get. We get fifty three fifty
Speaker 1: three minutes, and we're like, dude, it feels like we've
Speaker 1: been here for fifteen because we were talking about what
Speaker 1: we love.
Speaker 2: I tried for the record jumps. I tried with the
Speaker 2: the uh so, how does honey intertwined with you?
Speaker 1: I tried it felt a little scripted, Okay, I wanted
Speaker 1: to just say best band name of all time, the
Speaker 1: best best band name of all time. Is there a
Speaker 1: story to that or does it just happen.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to come up with one for twenty
Speaker 3: you know, we have made up a few stories about it,
Speaker 3: but now I just kind of default to what actually happened.
Speaker 3: And we were a side project. Most of us were
Speaker 3: playing in other bands Dluth, Minnesota, but we were playing
Speaker 3: rock bands, most of us, and we wanted to try
Speaker 3: an acoustic thing on the side. None of us had
Speaker 3: ever played country music or at the time we were going
Speaker 3: right for kind of traditional bluegrass music. Never even really
Speaker 3: listened to it, and I grew up with punk rock,
Speaker 3: and I do find some similarities there. So and this
Speaker 3: was also in early two thousands, so we went I mean,
Speaker 3: I sound like a grample when I'm talking about this,
Speaker 3: but we went to the record store and bought records
Speaker 3: and listened to them and learn the songs. And so
Speaker 3: we learned a few bluegrass songs and started playing them.
Speaker 3: And we didn't know anybody else in town that was
Speaker 3: doing it, so it just seemed kind of like a
Speaker 3: kitchy but it was really fun and started to really
Speaker 3: enjoy it. And then we had a couple show his book.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a name, and then we got asked
Speaker 3: to play. The Louth has a Every year they have
Speaker 3: the Homegrown Music Festival, which is like every local band
Speaker 3: in town, like a really small cold south by southwest
Speaker 3: and it's only but it's only bands from the luth.
Speaker 3: It's very in school, many hundred, one hundred sound bands
Speaker 3: and everywhere it turns into a venue and it's the
Speaker 3: coolest gig in town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got asked.
Speaker 3: To play, and we were like we needed We don't
Speaker 3: even have a name, and so we were we were rehearsing,
Speaker 3: which is something we did back then too, apparently, uh.
Speaker 3: And we were just throwing out phrases or whatever. And Eric,
Speaker 3: our amandolin player, he said, I don't know how he
Speaker 3: got up, but he said trample by turtles. And it
Speaker 3: was the first one that we didn't immediately hate, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? It was and we're like, good enough,
Speaker 3: And that's the story. It's about taking peyote, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 1: Thanks whatever in their story out there about you got
Speaker 1: some stuff stolen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that that's and that was a catalyst.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably been made a bigger deal than
Speaker 3: it really is. But my other band was playing its
Speaker 3: last show. We were splitting up, and I played electric
Speaker 3: guitar in that band, and while while we were loading
Speaker 3: our gear out, it was you know, we were drinking
Speaker 3: and it was kind of chaotic and it was a
Speaker 3: big party, and somebody walked out with my guitar. I
Speaker 3: am and I never saw him again. And I was
Speaker 3: living on a friend's couch at the time, and it
Speaker 3: was an epiphone, so just but you know, it was
Speaker 3: like it was all the way home. I was very thankful.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like an heirloom. Yeah, well I didn't have
Speaker 3: any you know, I had I had then I had
Speaker 3: an acoustic guitar that I just played and when I
Speaker 3: was at home and so we were playing, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: different me. You have no money. It was just like,
Speaker 3: there's no way that that was coming back. But it
Speaker 3: wasn't like I was playing in that band. Mike, You're
Speaker 3: got stolen, and I was like an acoustic guitar.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It just kind of worked out that that tramplet had
Speaker 3: started to play and I was I was going to
Speaker 3: be focusing on that regardless already and that you know,
Speaker 3: not stuff getting stolen. But everybody else's band kind of
Speaker 3: similarly split up, and we were kind of left to
Speaker 3: decide if we wanted to pursue this as our main focus,
Speaker 3: and everybody, yeah, we love playing with each other. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: I'd like to start writing songs in our own songs
Speaker 3: for this, for this instrumentation. Sure, I don't want to
Speaker 3: really be like a bluegrass cover band or whatever if
Speaker 3: it's going to be the main project. So that was
Speaker 3: two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: It makes sense you're saying that like that. You didn't.
Speaker 1: You're all punk rock backgrounds, you are all in rock bands.
Speaker 1: You really didn't even know what bluegrass is because your
Speaker 1: style of bluegrass is different. I mean, it's the same instrumentation,
Speaker 1: but like the phrasing and some of those things. You
Speaker 1: can tell that like trample by Turtles has their niche
Speaker 1: in that market.
Speaker 3: We always just thought we weren't is good.
Speaker 1: Which which could be genius, But we're not honest.
Speaker 3: We're not like I mean, I love I feel like
Speaker 3: I almost hesitated to say this because I think the
Speaker 3: word honesty gets used too much talking about music like
Speaker 3: it's an honest or it's genuine or whatever the hell
Speaker 3: that means.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that before I said my next thing,
Speaker 1: But yeah, you gonna say that so honest, But I do.
Speaker 3: I have my own version of what that is. But
Speaker 3: I think when people say it, they're like, it's it's
Speaker 3: real or something, And to me that's just both, like
Speaker 3: it's we all have access to everything. I didn't grow
Speaker 3: up in a coal mine in Kentucky. That's to me
Speaker 3: that like that blue grass I'm talking about that you
Speaker 3: that sounds like the earth you know from where they live,
Speaker 3: and early like fifties country music in Nashville, like it
Speaker 3: sounds like Tennessee absolutely, and that that's what I think
Speaker 3: they're talking about, but we're not. I mean, we grew
Speaker 3: up in Minnesota where you know, and why I take
Speaker 3: influences from all sorts of stuff. So it's to me
Speaker 3: it's honest because it's naturally what comes out of my body.
Speaker 3: But I don't really have another choice.
Speaker 2: I love that I've never even that's great.
Speaker 3: I love things that sound like where they're from. We don't,
Speaker 3: I really do. And I love like zydocho you know,
Speaker 3: and you know what you can smell like the gutters
Speaker 3: of New Orleans when you hear that, and that's really.
Speaker 2: Cool taste that cagency.
Speaker 3: We now have access to all the music in the
Speaker 3: whole world, and it's all in my pocket, you know,
Speaker 3: And so you're allowed to get influences from wherever you
Speaker 3: get influences from, and now you get them from I mean,
Speaker 3: you know wherever man, which is.
Speaker 1: Wild and to see music that comes.
Speaker 3: Out of that distillation is you know what's happening now probably,
Speaker 3: but I mean I.
Speaker 2: Think that's what you got. Beyonce releasing count Radio. I
Speaker 2: think that's what you got.
Speaker 3: Everybody's making a country record right now. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I do think that when I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: a pendulum swing and music, it's very you guys, you know,
Speaker 3: you write songs, you've been at studios. You can see
Speaker 3: how you can create what people might consider artificial. You know,
Speaker 3: you can everything can be programmed and perfect and robotic.
Speaker 3: And I think when things get that way for a
Speaker 3: long time, people start to crave like a lifelike sound, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and so they come back. That's why people keep probably
Speaker 3: coming back to like folk music and country music.
Speaker 1: Zach Brynt. I mean, you know from just experience like
Speaker 1: that guy is on a track that's incredible. It's insane.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like that, And I.
Speaker 1: Think you're right because people are craving. People are craving that.
Speaker 1: His fans are craving that.
Speaker 3: Man. They really it's really it's rareer. I mean, I
Speaker 3: hate to say it, but zach' spand gets on stage
Speaker 3: and there's there's nothing programmed about that. They're loose. They're
Speaker 3: a bar rock band and they're awesome, and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a kind of a more cunt his
Speaker 3: version of like the seventies Rolling Stones or something like that.
Speaker 3: They're loose, and it's it's like it's dirty, and I
Speaker 3: mean people love it because it feels good man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and it doesn't. We don't. We don't beat
Speaker 3: to the clock of a click track.
Speaker 1: You know, sure, bro, I know that wait until listening
Speaker 1: to wait so long. Yeah, But it was almost like
Speaker 1: the produces like, all right, so we're just gonna play
Speaker 1: as fast, play as fast as possible can and everybody
Speaker 1: try to.
Speaker 3: As long as we all stayed the same relative to
Speaker 3: each other. When it doesn't, it's it's a train wreck.
Speaker 2: Can I ask about alone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, I like that got me.
Speaker 2: I mean I once, okay, here comes the word the
Speaker 2: world again. Here here comes honesty. Uh. We live. We're
Speaker 2: a commercial songwriters, so we have we very polished, we
Speaker 2: very stay in our commercial lane. And I didn't know
Speaker 2: a lot about your band and what y'all do. Uh,
Speaker 2: And it was very very fun to do the research
Speaker 2: and and honestly kind of steal a little bit of
Speaker 2: your inspiration of of you know, in some inspiration from
Speaker 2: your music.
Speaker 1: Man, I mean it was it was another word for
Speaker 1: that's plagiarism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys got to me sign or yeah, I
Speaker 3: make some money.
Speaker 2: If I make some money on it, I buy you
Speaker 2: a three wheeler. All right, I'll buy you three Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe a new paddle. But no, I'm just saying. You
Speaker 2: were just literally talking about pulling an inspiration from your
Speaker 2: from the pocket, you know. Yeah, you got all everything
Speaker 2: you need and you're like on the phone as far
Speaker 2: as music goes, and uh, I was just bumping through
Speaker 2: them and I was like, man, this is it feels
Speaker 2: organic and fun, you know, it felt fun. And then
Speaker 2: I got to a loan and I was I was
Speaker 2: really listening to the lyrics of that and I mean
Speaker 2: the first thing is like, you come into this world alone,
Speaker 2: you know, you leave this world. And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that's something commercially I would probably never say, but I
Speaker 2: identify with that so much and just appreciate the I'm gonna,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna. I appreciate the integrity of that, Roddy and
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: Hey, I love that.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I mean that I often have a hard
Speaker 3: time talking about exactly where a lot of lines come
Speaker 3: from specific way, but that one, I was a direct
Speaker 3: result of having a kid, and that made me think
Speaker 3: about that. And my daughter at the time was, well,
Speaker 3: my son wasn't born yet, so she was, you know,
Speaker 3: one and a half or one, and uh, that's it
Speaker 3: was just like a simple meditation kind of on that.
Speaker 2: You know, well, it doesn't feel simple, it feels smart.
Speaker 3: We were told that that wasn't commercially viable to actually
Speaker 3: at one point of course, you were it's a whole
Speaker 3: other podcast.
Speaker 2: So they said, it's not commercial less.
Speaker 3: To talk about that on this one. Fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3: You know what, you know, what got me nobody works
Speaker 3: there anymorening.
Speaker 1: You know what got me was it takes a lifetime.
Speaker 3: You you give me, well this, I didn't write this one.
Speaker 1: It takes a lifetime to get the.
Speaker 3: Live Yeah, take a lifetime to find it. Takes a
Speaker 3: lot of time, like the life you had in mind.
Speaker 1: That's Jeff tweet you.
Speaker 3: It takes a.
Speaker 1: Lifetime to find the life, like the life you had
Speaker 1: in mind. Yeah, it's crushed me.
Speaker 3: Borderline tongue twister to say, yeah, tweeted, Yeah, he can.
Speaker 3: I can write a song, don't you produced a record
Speaker 3: for y'all? Yeah, our last one recorded and he asked
Speaker 3: us if we would record put that song on it,
Speaker 3: and they put it on there. They came out with
Speaker 3: a country record to a cruel country sorry uh, and
Speaker 3: they recorded their version of it, and he asked if
Speaker 3: we would do ours on it, And recording with him
Speaker 3: was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I've been a big fan of his work
Speaker 3: for a long time. But it was very comfortable. And
Speaker 3: I don't know, the guy is like he just he waits,
Speaker 3: He lives in the song, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He spends I mean, you guys spend a lot of
Speaker 3: your time songwriting, and so that's what Jeff does too.
Speaker 3: He does it in his own space. You know. He
Speaker 3: was an inspiration in a lot of ways to me
Speaker 3: while we were there. It's hard for me to do
Speaker 3: with my lifestyle, but he's he keeps regular hours. So
Speaker 3: I've always like been fascinated about writing with you know,
Speaker 3: he shows up and he works at that studio. If
Speaker 3: he's on tour, he shows up and does something in
Speaker 3: there all day, the studio Chicago, and I love that
Speaker 3: and I loved being a part of that, and it's
Speaker 3: I've tried to take a lot of that with me
Speaker 3: back home to focus on the craft of writing more
Speaker 3: and because the older I get, the more I want
Speaker 3: to do it, which is I love that I used
Speaker 3: to write songs. We started off, We started songs that
Speaker 3: just kind of like spill out and then be a
Speaker 3: song cool, and then maybe in a couple of months
Speaker 3: another song would just kind of happened or whatever. And
Speaker 3: now I sit and I work on it, and so
Speaker 3: hopefully the result is me liking it better, which it
Speaker 3: has been so far.
Speaker 1: Sure, watch y'alls, because a lot of the songs you
Speaker 1: have written with.
Speaker 3: Your band, right, No, I write them all myself.
Speaker 1: Really, yep. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've collaborated with one or two people in
Speaker 3: the past, but it's very rare, not something that I'm
Speaker 3: not open to at all, but it just hasn't ever
Speaker 3: really come up for me. And so in my band,
Speaker 3: nobody else really had an interest in writing. Well, we
Speaker 3: all arrange it together. Music is all taking care of together.
Speaker 3: I usually come to the group with, you know, the
Speaker 3: basic chord, structured melody lyrics.
Speaker 1: What does that look like for you? Where do you
Speaker 1: find And I know you're trying, you said you're trying
Speaker 1: to get better at it and trying to do a
Speaker 1: schedule thing, but like, is it just is it random?
Speaker 2: Yes? And no?
Speaker 3: I mean I write every day, and I write whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm working on a lot of different like pros writing
Speaker 3: projects too, and so in that kind of mix of
Speaker 3: just words, a lot of times I will just come
Speaker 3: up with something, Oh man, I kind of like that part, sure,
Speaker 3: that little that little like two line phrase or something
Speaker 3: not set that aside, and then I do spend part
Speaker 3: of my day with the guitar coming up. You know,
Speaker 3: I have some some melodies, and you guys probably have
Speaker 3: these on your phone, but just like little gibberish, here's
Speaker 3: you know, here's the four chords, and here's how I
Speaker 3: see the melody going and often, and I just try
Speaker 3: to put them together. It seems it's all I've never
Speaker 3: really had a method that's regular. That's that I've tried
Speaker 3: to repeat, But that's kind of the basis of it.
Speaker 3: It's just like it starts very abstract and then you know, uh,
Speaker 3: the song is just trying to make these words, you know,
Speaker 3: rhyme and on top of these certain chords or whatever.
Speaker 1: Try to do that. And I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of songwriters when they come to Nashville feel like you
Speaker 1: have to write within the walls here on this street,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can put yourself in a box
Speaker 1: that songwriting is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, we show up at ten thirty, eleven, sometimes eleven
Speaker 1: thirty and write from eleven to three. But man, you
Speaker 1: got to you can't turn it off, you know, you
Speaker 1: got to keep it going and it keeps going and yeah,
Speaker 1: you just got a jotty thought down and figure it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's good to write without an expectation of
Speaker 3: a result.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: So if you're when you're in when you're in the
Speaker 3: office and you're writing, you're you have a particular I
Speaker 3: don't know this, I've never done what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: You have a particular goal in mind, right, and your goal,
Speaker 3: I mean is the ultimate goal. It's like a hit
Speaker 3: song radio by right. But it's also nice when you're
Speaker 3: not doing that, to keep writing, I would imagine, just
Speaker 3: for the sake of writing, because it's beautiful, you know,
Speaker 3: I guess my favorite art form. Yeah, And to write
Speaker 3: a song or a poem or whatever without even thinking
Speaker 3: anybody might ever hear it, and that that's a kind
Speaker 3: of a pure moment. I feel like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: probably a good palate cleanser for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, because there's a lot of story there.
Speaker 3: You got to get a lot of it, and it
Speaker 3: kind of boils down to you really are thinking so much,
Speaker 3: putting so much energy into what other people are going
Speaker 3: to think of what you're doing, which I think would
Speaker 3: probably for me, I'd have to probably balance that out
Speaker 3: of a little with Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a stage probably of we call them
Speaker 2: lunch pale writers, right that you when you first come
Speaker 2: to town, you feel like you have to write your story,
Speaker 2: your truths.
Speaker 3: Your inspirations, honestly.
Speaker 2: And then you recognize through co writing year after year
Speaker 2: after year that other people are inspired differently. And it's
Speaker 2: fun and there's kind of a second base, if you will,
Speaker 2: of oh, man, this is kind of fun to tell
Speaker 2: their story, right, And then you start realizing, oh, it
Speaker 2: seems like people identify with our listeners identify with some
Speaker 2: of the same things that we're saying. And so when
Speaker 2: you just put that all in the bowl, you have
Speaker 2: your commercial days, you have your inspired days, you have
Speaker 2: your absolutely drained, can't do anything but still come out
Speaker 2: with a pretty good song days. You know it, Really
Speaker 2: what you're saying is absolutely true. Especially you know, it'd
Speaker 2: be like eating a steak every single day. Eventually you'd
Speaker 2: be like, man, I could sure go for chicken, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I know that feeling in
Speaker 2: the in the in the balance and the swing of
Speaker 2: commercial song running. There's a little bit of both of that.
Speaker 3: I think that for me, the more I write this
Speaker 3: sounds dumb to say aloud, just realize that the more
Speaker 3: I write, the more I write, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So if I work, if I make time for that
Speaker 3: every day or at least most days, I have a
Speaker 3: hard time doing something every day, Uh, then I just
Speaker 3: my output grows exponentially. And if I shut that faucet
Speaker 3: off for a week, or something like that. So much
Speaker 3: harder for me to get started against, probably like people
Speaker 3: going to the gym or whatever exactly. You take some
Speaker 3: days off, you're like to help getting off because it's
Speaker 3: a muscle, you know. For weeks ago, I had two
Speaker 3: weeks I had I had been in the gym month
Speaker 3: and a half. We had some family stuff go down,
Speaker 3: catch a sickness. I don't go for two weeks. Started
Speaker 3: back on Monday.
Speaker 2: Dude, hurts. I don't know if you've done a lunch
Speaker 2: and I just stack about three sets of twelve on
Speaker 2: them jokers, and I mean the inside of my thighs
Speaker 2: are cooking right now.
Speaker 3: I think creative pursuits are the same thing. If you don't,
Speaker 3: it's you know, there's lots of cliches about it. But
Speaker 3: so I try to keep on it. And I feel
Speaker 3: like I write more now than I ever have, which
Speaker 3: is our great I'd love to be a fly on
Speaker 3: the wall one of those things sometimes see.
Speaker 2: That me doing lunges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a songwriting commercial song.
Speaker 2: I mean, we love that. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1: That's part of the we always tell people, that's part
Speaker 1: of the fine print that you don't read everybody.
Speaker 3: It's a song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be to put us on the
Speaker 2: right you have to put us on your record.
Speaker 1: So y'all are y'all are headlining Red Rocks for the
Speaker 1: tenth time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tenth time. That's all right, that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's sick.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. Man, it's the coolest.
Speaker 2: Underground backstage areas. Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like playing a show up mars Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, it's really the coolest.
Speaker 3: It's like we have a Christian my manager over there
Speaker 3: will have a We have an interesting relationship with that venue,
Speaker 3: and it's because it's for most of our career that's
Speaker 3: been our biggest show every year, and so it comes
Speaker 3: with a lot of added pressure and family members and
Speaker 3: all of the things that it's not just another No
Speaker 3: show is ever supposed to be just another show, but
Speaker 3: you know how it is. It's it's the unique experience
Speaker 3: and so for us it can be a stressful day
Speaker 3: and then at the end of it's always like the
Speaker 3: best day in the world, and when it comes down
Speaker 3: to it, you walk out on that stage and there's
Speaker 3: nothing like that anywhere else and it's a real honor,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean I remember going when our first
Speaker 3: tour to Colorado. We were driving our band of players
Speaker 3: minivan all packed in there.
Speaker 2: Red Rocks.
Speaker 3: No, this is four or five, and we had a
Speaker 3: day off on our way to Denver, and we stopped
Speaker 3: at Red Rocks because it's it's just like it's owned
Speaker 3: by the city, so during the day anybody can just
Speaker 3: kind of go and people people take around. And we
Speaker 3: walked up to the top and uh, looked at it
Speaker 3: and that just seems such an unattainable location for us
Speaker 3: to play with the little little tiny bars we were
Speaker 3: setting up our own sound systems in at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like limped in.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so it's important for me to look back at
Speaker 3: that and you know how young we were and how
Speaker 3: how cool that really is. And when I get crabby
Speaker 3: about having to do a few extra things that day
Speaker 3: or whatever, I try to keep that perspective that it's
Speaker 3: it's still cool. Yeah, Like it's so cool. It's you know,
Speaker 3: I've my daughter and my stepdaughter have both come out
Speaker 3: and sang songs with me on that stage now, and
Speaker 3: it's it's I mean, it's really nothing looks and sounds
Speaker 3: like that place. So I mean it's a big turned
Speaker 3: into a big Red Rocks advertisement, but be there in July.
Speaker 1: It Yeah, I love it, Actually, I love it.
Speaker 2: That's that place is special. Yeah. Cool. It's good, like
Speaker 2: to have perspective, like you're talking about, to look back.
Speaker 2: I do that all the time too. It's like look
Speaker 2: back on you know, if I have two riots that day,
Speaker 2: or if I got to finish at nine, or if
Speaker 2: I got to drive. Because we live kind of out
Speaker 2: so we grop about having to How.
Speaker 3: Many people are just showed up in this town today
Speaker 3: that would kill for your job?
Speaker 2: Oh my, we talked about twenty years ago me. You know,
Speaker 2: like playing seven people in Greensboro, Mississippi, where nobody cares
Speaker 2: about what you're doing or what you have to say
Speaker 2: or how you sound. And then you've come all this
Speaker 2: way losing money, yeah, getting broke, I mean just broke,
Speaker 2: you know, and then you get to this place and
Speaker 2: you just become accustomed to it. Right. What's crazy is
Speaker 2: in song around here I go again. Songwriter is like
Speaker 2: I draw. I can always go back to those places
Speaker 2: the Miniman days, you know, and go and draw inspiration
Speaker 2: for for now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: A deep, deep well that you're building or digging when
Speaker 2: you're when you're coming up through those struggles, and I
Speaker 2: bet it has a lot to do with your music
Speaker 2: and who you are as a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never saw any of it as a struggle
Speaker 3: even really it was like the great adventure of my life,
Speaker 3: you know, really, I mean, I dropped out college to
Speaker 3: do this, and it was I mean, yeah, that's a struggle,
Speaker 3: but it's not like Actually, Steve Vanneller pointed, like he
Speaker 3: told me a difference between whatever being like being poor
Speaker 3: in that way, sleeping on floors, eating food, touring when
Speaker 3: you're young and not making any money and versus like
Speaker 3: poverty like that's like if you're a.
Speaker 1: Single mother money like that.
Speaker 3: Like for me, I was drinking whiskey and playing music
Speaker 3: every day. And so I don't I don't put that
Speaker 3: word on it. But it does come with a lot
Speaker 3: of challenges and it's a good perspective, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Like looking back at that, that's where I
Speaker 3: get a lot of my appreciation because I had that time.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't our band. We're still growing, you know,
Speaker 3: we've versed like a slow and the Turtle pun in
Speaker 3: there probably somewhere, but we didn't you know, and some
Speaker 3: other bands or some artists or whatever have a different
Speaker 3: path that they started a different place, and I'm really appreciated.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate where we started out because it gives
Speaker 3: me something to look at and compare it to and
Speaker 3: be like, you know, I can. I remember that those
Speaker 3: seven movie had our lowest ticket sales ever was zero
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. Got paid with a cart and the camel lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, smoked that whole pack.
Speaker 2: We got paid in Tomali's. Yeah. Literally, they give you
Speaker 2: some food. Man.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's people can. People will find challenges in every
Speaker 3: walk of life. You know, if you're born a billionaire,
Speaker 3: that has its own challenges whatever. But my my particular
Speaker 3: ones or what have made me, you know, and you
Speaker 3: always have made you whatever, but those I to me.
Speaker 3: I love thinking about that. I hope my kids do
Speaker 3: it too.
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 3: I hope they're getting a van and drive around and
Speaker 3: lose money playing guitar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, grow up. I wonder how they're getting home.
Speaker 3: It's also just like so many people wish they would
Speaker 3: have tried, you know, I wish they would have done that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's a lonely feeling.
Speaker 2: I remember driving across Chicago and having us having we
Speaker 2: had a fifteen pasture van that was like late seventies van. Dude,
Speaker 2: we were pulling a trailer. Yeah, and we had a
Speaker 2: tire blowout, and I remember all of us like, what
Speaker 2: are we going to do? What are we going to do?
Speaker 2: We haven't made it to the gig yet, so we
Speaker 2: don't have any money to pay for the tire. So
Speaker 2: it was like, well, how much cash you got? So literally,
Speaker 2: you know, the vands sitting like this, yeah, right, Well,
Speaker 2: I remember we had a guy in a driver's seat,
Speaker 2: I was in the shotgun seat, and then our band
Speaker 2: was on that back row and we just had like
Speaker 2: somebody had their hands out and we were just putting
Speaker 2: our cash into the hand to see if we could
Speaker 2: get enough to get a used tire. And we found
Speaker 2: this place. If somebody stopped and was like, well, I
Speaker 2: can run one of you up to the tire, and
Speaker 2: we literally took the hub off through at the back
Speaker 2: of his truck, drove to a tireplace. Got to use
Speaker 2: tire for thirty bucks or something.
Speaker 3: So you could spend a whole day on that side
Speaker 3: of that road and nobody'd stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, then I feel like it wasn't so scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you knowed. We've definitely been helped out like that
Speaker 3: in the past two Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets uh it's but those days it would
Speaker 2: make you right. Yeah, like I I really, I really
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 3: It's good to know how to get through a challenge
Speaker 3: and whatever. I mean as a basic but as an
Speaker 3: adult you have to do with it a lot, and
Speaker 3: you know, it's good to get those lessons when you're younger.
Speaker 1: I think. And now you're you're playing with Turnpike in Troubadour.
Speaker 1: It just came up along weekend with them. Yeah, your
Speaker 1: co headlining a run with Shaky Graves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where where you're playing?
Speaker 3: Uh Shaky is Where are those shows? East Coast?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's one main d C. You have to tell me
Speaker 3: of State, New York. It's four three. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: get so East Coast. That's Shaky very cool. Yeah, Turnpike
Speaker 3: guys were amazing. I really like that band, so it's
Speaker 3: really cool to play with that.
Speaker 2: There's some Bird guys too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Evan has a big ranch. I don't know how
Speaker 3: big it is. He has a ranch, but it's got
Speaker 3: some quail.
Speaker 1: Bluti.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was warned about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Even hit it hard.
Speaker 3: He still you didn't put the effects on because he
Speaker 3: was talking about his tour.
Speaker 1: Dude, that you gotta we gotta let him promote his
Speaker 1: band and where they're gonna play. What are you doing things?
Speaker 1: Is that part of him?
Speaker 3: That was a great song.
Speaker 2: Guys, you can finish that with us not giving up
Speaker 2: any publishing all that one.
Speaker 1: That the one that got away. We say it could
Speaker 1: be a fish, it could be a it could be
Speaker 1: a song, it could be.
Speaker 2: The rapidness of that was a career, yeahroofing career.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking, Uh, I was thinking about that
Speaker 3: this whole time I've been talking.
Speaker 1: That's what I told you about that.
Speaker 3: Maybe give him like a little bit of roadway a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, and I've maybe I feel pretty
Speaker 3: lucky to say that I had a hard time coming
Speaker 3: up with him. I've missed plenty of birds, I've lost
Speaker 3: plenty of fish. One that did stick out was my
Speaker 3: son Jack and I were in a canoe. I'm going
Speaker 3: to go fish in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis has a few
Speaker 3: lakes right in the middle of the city, and we
Speaker 3: lived in right in Minneapolis at the time, and so
Speaker 3: we take my canoe and go fish smallies around these lakes,
Speaker 3: but they also have they're also very deep, and they
Speaker 3: also have muskies in them. So we were fishing kind
Speaker 3: of by the shore and I just I hooked into
Speaker 3: something massive and this is the thing. I never got
Speaker 3: to see it, but it was like a cartoon because
Speaker 3: it was pulling the canoe and Jack Is he was,
Speaker 3: oh god, I don't know who. He was seven six
Speaker 3: seven years old at the time, so he wasn't much
Speaker 3: helping stopping the flow right this paddle and we just
Speaker 3: let the fish pull us all around. And I fought
Speaker 3: it for probably twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 2: We were like, are you in a bass rod? It's
Speaker 2: probably ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not even I had eight pound tests. I
Speaker 1: hope it was a smallie because I did it was
Speaker 1: like a twelve pounds, but it never came to the top,
Speaker 1: so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It could have been could have been a cart but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go long.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but that's something I still talking about that.
Speaker 3: And eventually it broke off, and so it's yeah, some
Speaker 3: kind of sea monster and lake the Comas Minneapols, that's
Speaker 3: a good. One has a spinner and some eight pound
Speaker 3: test hanging.
Speaker 2: Give me a little to you because because i've never
Speaker 2: I've never seen a musky, I don't think I'm definitely
Speaker 2: never caught.
Speaker 1: I've never caught one.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, can you give me fish?
Speaker 2: What do they eat?
Speaker 3: What do they like? Young?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they eat everything else. They're the big, they're the
Speaker 3: big dogs.
Speaker 2: You know how much bigger are they than like pike?
Speaker 3: I mean they can be similar size, for sure, but
Speaker 3: a big, a large musky is I don't it looks
Speaker 3: like an It.
Speaker 2: Looks like an alligator fifteen inches?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh they're and they got the bones coming at
Speaker 1: the back. How do you call I've watched TV okay,
Speaker 1: I've never called.
Speaker 2: Watched one episode of about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I would love. I would love
Speaker 3: to go musky fishing. I've never It's a it's a
Speaker 3: unique you know, it's like that's a separate rig that
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't grow up doing it. I've never
Speaker 3: done it, but I will.
Speaker 1: Have You caught a giant smally up there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: The body waters a few how big? I mean big
Speaker 3: smallies up there are probably not the same as they are.
Speaker 1: What's a five pound massive. Okay, yeah, it's a giant.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you can catch those down here? Five pounders?
Speaker 1: But they feel like yeah, they feel like ten sons.
Speaker 3: Jack caught a four pound in the Bondywaters.
Speaker 1: Two years ago. It's a football.
Speaker 3: It was the coolest thing, and it was it was
Speaker 3: it was this crazy fight. I wrote an article about
Speaker 3: it actually for an outdoors publication because it was it
Speaker 3: was amazing watching him do that. We you know, I
Speaker 3: had to help, I'll do It's hard to catch him.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he hadn't caught a fish all can It was
Speaker 3: this this whole backstory to it, But it was one
Speaker 3: of the coolest moments we've had outside.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 3: He got this thing in the boat and he was like,
Speaker 3: oh my, you know he had never caught it. We
Speaker 3: catched sunnies together. Yeah, yeah, a little little sun fish
Speaker 3: and that was the first time you call like a
Speaker 3: big fish. It was very cool. I love smallies.
Speaker 2: Man. Did he catch it on a smally rig or well?
Speaker 2: Were all perch fish?
Speaker 1: No smaller rig? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was using this like it's a map spinner with
Speaker 3: like a fake mantal on it gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there ain't nothing like catching up three plus. It's
Speaker 1: even if you go don even if you just kayake
Speaker 1: down some of the rivers down here, like the harps
Speaker 1: south of town and just throw little lightweight tackle ultra
Speaker 1: lights and stuff and catch a pound smally. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're still in for a freaking ride because you got
Speaker 1: lightweight tackle with a fish that that polls at five times.
Speaker 2: It's weight.
Speaker 1: Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: We catch them root balls like where a tree would
Speaker 2: have fallen over there be that depression down out there
Speaker 2: in the in the Duck river.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get into some dal hollows, a great
Speaker 1: lake in Tennessee that the state record smallly coming kicked
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we gotta get through this kid era and then
Speaker 2: we'll all right.
Speaker 1: Gravorite gravorite song for for you explain that word slash
Speaker 1: for those gravy just kidding, uh, greatest slash favorite song.
Speaker 1: We started off like the first few episodes were doing
Speaker 1: the greatest song of all time, But then people are like, well,
Speaker 1: what are you that question?
Speaker 3: I also can't say my favorite song. I picked a
Speaker 3: song I really like there.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what graver it is. That is the
Speaker 1: song that you think is great but as you love.
Speaker 3: It came to my mind because we've we've covered the
Speaker 3: song before. Our bass players sings it, but it's sheltered
Speaker 3: from the storm about that, and that's always been one
Speaker 3: of my favorite songs. I don't know why that once
Speaker 3: stuck out today, but if you listen to it, it's
Speaker 3: it's on blood on the tracks. The whole thing is
Speaker 3: it's just like a beautiful breakup and kind of like
Speaker 3: clinging to love thing. And I think it's one of
Speaker 3: the most poetic group of verses I probably ever heard.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's strong. That's a strong Nobody will ever
Speaker 2: say that. So let's give me shelter play that one.
Speaker 4: Man with the chorus always picked up just in case
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, amen, Dave, some of that, bro, We
Speaker 4: appreciate you do.
Speaker 3: This is this is for the chat. Thanks for the virus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, little stuffy over here, start stuffed up.
Speaker 2: If you start tamming flu today, you should be feeling better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's rare that we get people in here
Speaker 1: that we literally don't know anything about. And it's always
Speaker 1: an adventure and it's always fun to figure it out
Speaker 1: and talk to him and and I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your music, and thank you for what
Speaker 2: you do for the boundary waters and and and protecting
Speaker 2: them and preserving them.
Speaker 1: But I'm coming, bro.
Speaker 3: Come, yeah, let me know that can help you plan
Speaker 3: that that's absolutely going to happen.
Speaker 2: We'll trade you a hit for a couple of big smallies.
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