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Speaker 1: What if I told you it takes ten years to

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Speaker 2: Hmm, that's accurate, I would say, give or take. And

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Speaker 2: if you're not working on your craft, is it really

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 1: It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and straight

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Speaker 1: from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become

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Speaker 1: Webby award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors.

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Speaker 4: Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us.

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Speaker 2: It was about our growth, a place where we could

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Speaker 5: Wrong, of course, but most apportantly be us.

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Speaker 2: But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do we,

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Speaker 2: and through it all, one thing has never changed. This

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Speaker 2: a severer after because we got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Story time, I'm gonna take y'all back to two thousand and.

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Speaker 5: Six.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't drafted. I was a free agent try out

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Speaker 1: in the NFL by the Detroit Lions. Chuck pre thank

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Speaker 1: in practice, I was a free agent.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't returned punts and kicks in college.

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Speaker 1: While I return kicks in college, didn't return punts because

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Speaker 5: So they wanted to make sure he was ready for offense.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm a rookie in the NFL and like,

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Speaker 1: I said, God, if you let me catch this punt,

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Speaker 1: gonna pay it forward. And that ball dropped in my

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Speaker 5: Life, have you? And I was like, dang, how could

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Speaker 1: He said, I've been doing this for years, and I

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Speaker 5: If you ever want to.

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Speaker 1: Return punts in the NFL, you have to catch fifty

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Speaker 1: punts after practice every day. So I got on the

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Speaker 1: even even in that full how many months was that,

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Speaker 1: I would say seven months of practicing, and every day

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Speaker 1: Still didn't feel like a master because every time that

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Speaker 1: remember that deal we made.

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Speaker 5: If you let me catch this, I paid his money forward.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it takes way more than just watching some

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Speaker 5: Be coming to master.

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Speaker 2: I hear that, all right, karaoke time. But we got

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Speaker 2: today team. There's a couple of songs floating around.

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Speaker 4: I feel like.

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Speaker 3: Working at the car.

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Speaker 5: Watch talk him about the car.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that.

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Speaker 4: One didn't come out free show.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know my favorite work, work work where.

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Speaker 1: You know no, no, what did you're saying? No?

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Speaker 1: You know what I realized about this generation, they don't

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Speaker 5: Think about it. Just think about the generation win.

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Speaker 1: How many rappers, R and B singers anybody made songs

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to think of anybody like Jack.

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Speaker 4: They speak about their life maybe and their livelihoods.

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Speaker 1: But related it like like, for example, I forgot the

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Speaker 5: It was like there was lyrics about how people were working.

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Speaker 1: But in the nineties they talked a lot about, you know,

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Speaker 1: Everybody who's a rapping out already been rich. They already

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Speaker 4: That is interesting. Never thought about that.

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Speaker 5: That or love or you know what, that's another thing too.

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Speaker 5: They sing about sex, Yeah, about love.

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Speaker 7: All the songs are about hardcore fucking. One of my

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Speaker 5: I'm like, why you hate?

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Speaker 8: There was no other way for you to say that.

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Speaker 8: Back in the day.

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Speaker 7: Every when Champagne Kings said you make my love come down,

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Speaker 8: That's freaky as hell. It's yeah, they do in windows.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you see the new story about Hollywood writers

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Speaker 1: don't make things so so complex. You know who told

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Speaker 1: to the genius Tyler.

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Speaker 5: I wrote a script.

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Speaker 1: I sent it to Tyler and he was like, this

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Speaker 1: He was like, the audience is not going to be

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Speaker 1: just watch this. They're doing other things. And I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 5: He had said that to me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say like our generation was

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm not watching this anymore. That's what it

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that is crazy.

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Speaker 7: I did just watch a really good movie that wasn't

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Speaker 8: I got it. It's called Bogonia with Emma Stone.

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Speaker 3: Justic Cordince.

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Speaker 5: I wondn't see it.

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Speaker 8: It's really good. But it's really good.

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Speaker 7: It is complex, yeah, because you know, like when you're

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Speaker 8: You know, they're making.

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Speaker 7: Some type of like commentary offs in society, and you

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Speaker 7: got to figure it out because they're not going to

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Speaker 7: movies where I have to then go Google, like, what

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Speaker 7: the hell did this movie mean?

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Speaker 4: That'sia too.

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Speaker 2: I love to see that, and it was good because

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Speaker 2: it talks about pretty much the whole ecosystem.

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Speaker 5: That is Utopia too.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, So y'all took the

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Speaker 1: snake's patent, killed the snake, covered up the snake, then

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Speaker 7: Oh snack went on, when did this happen in history before?

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Speaker 1: And the thing it was a powerful family who did

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Speaker 1: And if you ain't see Utopia, that's on your right. Fact,

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Speaker 1: the Snake didn't even want revenge. He just wanted the

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Speaker 1: And when I watched Utopia, that was the underlying theme

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Speaker 5: Yes, because it was the s.

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Speaker 1: And it was great the way they did this because

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Speaker 5: They weren't brothers and sister.

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Speaker 1: They were working together and they had to go to

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Speaker 1: And the other one was like, oh, I feel good

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Speaker 1: like telling everybody that you need therapy, not because you

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Speaker 1: know something's wrong with you, but you need to learn yourself.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, this movie is real deep, like kids

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Speaker 5: I was in that movie like wow, this is powerful.

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Speaker 4: Yell no, you didn't form.

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Speaker 1: But to me, that's what happens when you have a

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Speaker 1: Because if you were watching it and it was simple

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Speaker 1: and you watching your phone, then you missed those things.

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Speaker 1: When it has you drawn in like that, that's what

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Speaker 1: I missed about film. Old school films really did that

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Speaker 4: Attention like they used to be.

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Speaker 3: That's why movies should be in the theaters.

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Speaker 10: You might go with the ship.

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Speaker 5: Like this is comical.

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Speaker 5: It's just you.

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Speaker 1: You can six million dollars to be a leader of

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Speaker 1: So as the university, they're going to be like, we

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Speaker 5: Be there.

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Speaker 10: After. Sorry, university actually waited until after recruitment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I'm my biggest question when things like

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Speaker 2: You know, chastiseing like it just doesn't like five percent

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Speaker 5: Look at Josh face, look at your face and some

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Speaker 3: Jumping off a curve. No, some of these things are crazy, bro.

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Speaker 9: My point now, and now I went on record and

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Speaker 7: Of course, they're going to say that he was acting crazy.

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Speaker 7: All he got a mental health issue. It wasn't so

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Speaker 5: Agree with a triple on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Michigan. Michigan was great.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing people have to learn to compartmentalize.

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Speaker 1: Because this is what happens even in society with rape

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Speaker 10: I did say he's an act.

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Speaker 7: But what you're looking for is for somebody to affirm

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Speaker 4: Ship where you seek too.

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Speaker 1: is what happens when you.

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Speaker 5: When you, you.

448
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 1: Know, intermingle business with pleasure. Then it becomes a what's

449
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: fair type thing? You know what I'm saying that Just

450
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: avoid that. Leave it alone alone. That's my ap is, Yo,

451
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 1: you're working, Just leave it alone. I don't care how

452
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: fine she is, I don't care how as he is.

453
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 5: Leave it alone.

454
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 7: Second topic, this doesn't really have to do anything to

455
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 7: do what we're talking about today, but I think you

456
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 7: all will be interested in it because it affects you directly.

457
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Speaker 8: So recently, US Senator Bernie.

458
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Speaker 7: Moreno from Ohio, he's a Republican, he introduced a bill

459
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Speaker 7: that would ban dual citizenship in the United States. Yeah

460
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 7: he and ironically enough, Bernie Moreno was born in Columbia.

461
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 8: Bernie.

462
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Speaker 4: Oh, so, Bernie one of them, don't think do you.

463
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Speaker 8: Think he white?

464
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 7: Yeah? Right, but he thinks that, you know, having dual

465
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Speaker 7: citizenship would present a conflict of interest and divide loyalties

466
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 7: for US citizens, which is insane. So if this bill passes,

467
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 7: US citizens who voluntarily acquire for in citizenship will relinquish

468
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 7: their US citizenship, and US citizens who already have dual

469
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 7: citizenship will have one year to write a letter renouncing

470
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Speaker 7: their dual citizenship before their citizenship come from.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah you found out not even from America exactly.

472
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.

473
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Speaker 2: Here's my I'm gonna be honest, here's just my a

474
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: as a dual citizen of Jamaica. Uh yeah, respectfully.

475
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Speaker 8: Another big problem period. Yeah. Absolutely.

476
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 7: Another big problem with this is my opp is that

477
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 7: the fourteenth Amendment currently protects US citizens from having their

478
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 7: their citizenship forcefully.

479
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 4: Exactly.

480
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Speaker 2: So it's like, where are you coming from? Out of nowhere,

481
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: just trying to start the part alone.

482
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Speaker 7: You're doing the most and let's let's actually let's search

483
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 7: into his citizenship.

484
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Speaker 8: Like, no shame, sir, but I say this.

485
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Speaker 1: In the past couple months, I've watched how they've changed laws,

486
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: they've changed history, they've removed things from the Smithsonian, you

487
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And once again it's the whitewashing

488
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: of everything that we've done. It's happening again at fifty

489
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: to sixty years ago, fifty to sixty years from now,

490
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: the young people are going to be like, hey, do

491
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: you remember this, and we're going to be those people

492
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: that say we lived it.

493
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Speaker 5: And they did not go like that. Yeah, I hope

494
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: everybody here at home is watching.

495
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: We will be the same old people, like the old

496
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: people in Tulsa saying it didn't go down how they

497
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Speaker 1: said it went down in a history book.

498
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Speaker 5: I'm saying that other thing that they're trying to change

499
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 5: is crazy.

500
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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

501
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: Crazy. Fight for yours, fight for your truth. Everybody at home,

502
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: fight for your truth.

503
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: Helping Jackson study for a physics not physics sorry, Civics exam,

504
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at all these laws and amendments and this,

505
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, what a bunch of shit right now,

506
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: because they're literally trying to reverse and overthrow everything that

507
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: he's learning. Anyway, It's like, does it even hold any value?

508
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,959
Speaker 4: No, to learn these things now right.

509
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: A small example of how this is done in a

510
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: micro level last year, we took a trio of second

511
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: graders who never really played flag football together to go

512
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: play in a different neighborhood, of course, with a predominantly

513
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: black team.

514
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 5: It's second and third grade.

515
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: Beginning of the season, we were struggling because we were

516
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: learning nobody cared that we were together. But by the

517
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: end of the season, we start smoking people. Right, we

518
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: win the whole thing. We go back to play this year,

519
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: same groupe. They changed the rules now you can no

520
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: longer carpool. You have to have a draft, and then

521
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: coaches started picking our kids somehow. At the end of

522
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: the draft, though, the same team that wanted to be

523
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: together from their group was still together, but all of

524
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: our kids were on different teams.

525
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 5: Am my line, Nope, that literally happened.

526
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: And it's just to me, that's a microcosm of what

527
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: happens in America.

528
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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

529
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: It's like, wait a minute, they all got together. We

530
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: don't care looking at they young. Wait a minute, actually good,

531
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, they beat us. Let's find a way

532
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to not let this happen again. As a matter of fact,

533
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: I need one of those kids on my team. Kyro

534
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: said he didn't want to play no more.

535
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 4: I can't play with my friends.

536
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

537
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: And then now fast forward to the Winter League and

538
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: Deval literally got into it with the ref.

539
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: Shout out to the one who's actually a fan too.

540
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: I'm just like ship, like, wait a second, is that

541
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 4: Zach year Zach.

542
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 11: Is holding you accountable syst Game one, because there was

543
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 11: there was a coach who was on the opposing team,

544
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 11: and anytime something happened with the play he was talking about.

545
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: He was the one dictating where the ball should be.

546
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Speaker 2: And if I was like, monigga, are you a coach

547
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: or are you a ref? Because if you want to

548
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: be a ref, you should have a stripe share on.

549
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: You should miss this thing, homegirl, how is it that

550
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: you're listening? So then his question to the ref is,

551
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: how is it that you're allowing this coach on one

552
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: team to dictate to you where the ball stops and goes?

553
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 4: Are you not the ref a reason?

554
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 8: Yeah?

555
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 7: And that's another Yeah, that's another microcosm of the thing

556
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 7: because the ref is a woman's you know what I'm saying,

557
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 7: And he thinks, well, I can just tell this dude.

558
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: Our head coaches and the ref was a woman. So

559
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: he was just like, no, they're supposed to be here. Noticed,

560
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: And I said, yo, like are you gonna ref, but

561
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna coach? Like, you don't get to dictate all

562
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: the rules to both teams, And then the families on

563
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: the other side was like, it's just wreck, It's just wreck.

564
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 5: It's always just that's.

565
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Speaker 8: Right, that.

566
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 9: Makes sense where they're just like, yeah, let's just kids,

567
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 9: just have fun. But you're dictating it for all the

568
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 9: places I'm.

569
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 5: Saying, I mean, I look like the bad guy, but

570
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell y'all, I don't care.

571
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: Maybe we're standing to call it.

572
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 5: I call it just said.

573
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: That's not fair, and everybody wants to get up in arms.

574
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let my kids because you got to

575
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: see our kids too. When things like that are happening,

576
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: the kids start to get down, and then the other

577
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: kids start yelling at the ref as well, and I'm like,

578
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: so now you're listening to the other coach and those kids,

579
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: because our kids are just better. And the minute I

580
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: started pointing it out and the other coach stopped, touchdown, touchdown,

581
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: touch down, touchdown. It's like, Yo, you can't prevent the

582
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: fact that our kids work. And it's funny we talking

583
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: about work ethic and becoming.

584
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 5: A master ethnicity doesn't get you to be great.

585
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm the dad that works out with my kids twenty

586
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: to thirty minutes every day, so yes, when we go

587
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: to games, it's not just wreck. We are working on

588
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: being great. It may just be wrecked to you. But

589
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: this little thirty minutes they get a chance to play.

590
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: Let's work on the things we worked on. We're not

591
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: just going out to be mediocre, you know. And parents

592
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: get upset when you enter into arena where their kids

593
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: are and you expect excellence from your kids. They can

594
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: scream at their kids all day, but the minute we start,

595
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's a problem.

596
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 5: It'd be annoying you.

597
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's so annoying if anybody ever just

598
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: put it out there and you know, cross paths with us.

599
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 4: You know, when our boys are playing where it's basketball football.

600
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: We them parents, we're loud, we're gonna call people out,

601
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna call the refs out, we're gonna call the

602
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: other team.

603
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: But we're gonna do that because we don't take nonsense

604
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: over here. We just don't.

605
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: So you're gonna probably see a very different de Valan

606
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: Kadeen if encounter Matt got.

607
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 5: Into it with the security guard last night at Jackson game.

608
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 8: No, it was the same thing.

609
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Literally, we okay, Rollins is tall, right, so you know

610
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: how it is with refs like he the tallest. I'm

611
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: not gonna let that team just smack this team. We're

612
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna let it be a little bit even. So we're

613
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: not taking that no foul yet six sembers. We're not

614
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: gonna call no facs for.

615
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: The for the bigger team. We cool with that.

616
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: We don't mind that. If y'all gonna play physical, we're

617
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: gonna play physical back. But what happens is when we

618
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: start to play physical back, now the parents are upset.

619
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: We didn't say nothing when y'all was beating on roundands.

620
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: Jackson got tripped four times, got pushed in the back.

621
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: We said nothing.

622
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 5: Now Rollins is like, yo, I ain't no punk And

623
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 5: that was a problem. And then the.

624
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: Security guard tried to say something to us afterwards, and

625
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Matt he came over with an energy that he's in.

626
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, we live in a different environment now, and

627
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he expected the energy that he was

628
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: going to get from Matt.

629
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 6: He was on some New York times. He kept repeating

630
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 6: something while walking directly. Yes, he walking at me, and

631
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 6: he kept saying what you mean, don't do what, don't

632
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 6: do what, don't do what, and kept walking right towards him.

633
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 5: And Matt from.

634
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: Right to him, thank you.

635
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: He walked straight to him and said, I told you

636
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't do that because and then then

637
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: he started to chill a little bit. Then he was

638
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: trying to be more docile because he expected Matt. But

639
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: that's what they always do to us. They did that

640
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: to Jay all last year. Our kids started winning, and

641
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: they expected him to back down. And Jay from New

642
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: York too, He like, I ain't backing down to nobody.

643
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about the school. And then

644
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: they get mad, but it's like you can't. Last year,

645
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: a coach pulled a gun out on Jay. Walked them

646
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: to the parking lot. No, lie, that's serious, walk them

647
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: to the parking lot. Our kids will. This is our

648
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: kids will, winning by twenty points. He took all of

649
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: the big kids out and let kids who hadn't played

650
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: before play. So the kids who hadn't played before, they're

651
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: nervous because they're going against the other teams. Starting five.

652
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: He tells the kid on our team, Jay like, Yo,

653
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: don't hesitate, go make the layup.

654
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: You can make it.

655
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Like you haven't scored, don't you want to score? The

656
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: kids looking a little down, he'say, yo, go get it.

657
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: So the kid gets a breakaway layup, and he goes

658
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: up one two and makes the layup, first time he

659
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: scored playing basketball. Jay is excited for the kid, like

660
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Jays's young white kid, just like, let's go. The coach

661
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: gets upset. It's like, why you're showing up my players?

662
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with your team. This is

663
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: a young man who's never scored in a basketball game before,

664
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for him. And then he was like,

665
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to show up my team, and then his

666
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: team wouldn't shake Jay's hand. So Jay was like, oh, coach,

667
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: make sure you teach your kids try to have good sportsmanship.

668
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: And then he followed Jay out into the parking lot.

669
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: That the gun in front of Jay. That is now

670
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: the crazy part is Jay gets a phone call about

671
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: his behavior afterwards. No way, Yeah, that's why I always

672
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: got to stand up because I'm not gonna let you

673
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: do that now to him. So now me all the

674
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: other parents was like, Yo, this is exactly what happened,

675
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: and some changes need to be made because we're not

676
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: backing down from this, but these are things we always

677
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: got to face.

678
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: That's insane mediocrity. They don't know what work is.

679
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: No.

680
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 8: The fact that's right.

681
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: It sure does, it sure does. All right, y'all, let's

682
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 4: take a little break so we can cool off over here.

683
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, ship all right, we'll be back.

684
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm talking about working on our craft.

685
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 8: I know this is different.

686
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 10: This is a different version.

687
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 6: You know.

688
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 2: It's the Bob, Honey, it's the Bob Bob, all right,

689
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: and we're back so steps that we to get to

690
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: become an expert at the craft that you've chosen. Well,

691
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: first of all, do you guys feel like your craft

692
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: chose you or did you choose your craft?

693
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: That's a good question.

694
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 8: I think it was a little bit of both for me.

695
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 7: I started I was hosting bar trivia in Chicago and

696
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 7: people would come up to me all the time and

697
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 7: be like, Oh, you have a great voice. You should

698
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 7: be on the radio. And at this time, I was

699
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 7: working in sales. I wasn't good at it. I hated it,

700
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 7: and I really wanted to switch industries. But I didn't

701
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 7: know really what I wanted to do. And I had

702
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 7: always been a performer. I'm a good talker, So when

703
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 7: people would say that, I was like, Oh, okay, radio

704
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 7: does sound like something I would enjoy doing. But then

705
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 7: when I realized that in order to be a radio

706
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 7: host be hired as a radio host, you needed a

707
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 7: lot of experience. That's when I was like, Okay, well

708
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 7: I'll do a podcast. And then as I was learning

709
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 7: how to make a podcast and just learning about podcasts

710
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 7: in general, then I realized, oh, podcast producer is a

711
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 7: job that I could do. So I feel like me

712
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 7: trying to develop my skills, what I call identity capital,

713
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 7: kind of led me into the direction of podcast production.

714
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 7: Because what I was trying to do was build my

715
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 7: resume in order to be a radio host. So I

716
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 7: made my own podcast so that I could start to

717
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 7: get more experience as a host and produce it so

718
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 7: I can have more experience as a producer, so I

719
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 7: can know how to record an edit, because those are

720
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 7: all the skills you need to be on the radio.

721
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 7: But because I had those skills, I could transfer them

722
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 7: to another job, which was podcast producer. So it was

723
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 7: kind of a mixture of both things. I think that

724
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 7: some of my natural ability led me to becoming interested

725
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 7: in radio production and broadcasting and audio production, but the

726
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 7: skills that I developed while trying to get there led

727
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 7: me into podcast production.

728
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 8: That makes sense.

729
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: That's actually a great breakdown because you kept saying skills

730
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: and talent, and you asked a perfect question about what chose,

731
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: which I think it starts with understanding what you're gifts are.

732
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: Right.

733
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: For example, make it very very clear you seven foot,

734
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: that's a gift.

735
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 5: Everybody's not seven.

736
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: Foot, so you may lean towards basketball right Oppositely, you're

737
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: four foot ten gymnasts, you know, not everybody's that small.

738
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: You have a lower center of gravity, balances easier. I

739
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: think the gifts that God gives us often leads us

740
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: towards an occupation or something we can do to make money, right,

741
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: But there's a skill that is necessary in whatever it

742
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: is occupation, and that's where you get talent. Talent is

743
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: a mix between gift and skill, and the only way

744
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: you become skillful is if you repeat that thing over

745
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: and over again. I think it's important for people to

746
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: understand why repetition is important, not only in athletics, but

747
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: also in TV, film, also as radio, also in photography,

748
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: is because when you repeat something over and over and

749
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: over again, it takes a thousand muscle movements to become

750
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: muscle memory. Now that movement becomes muscle memory. It's locked

751
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: into your body central nervous system. Even when it's not

752
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: perfect performing can still do the skill effectively because you've

753
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: done it so many times.

754
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: It's like you can just drop into it. It becomes

755
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: like an autopilot.

756
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 5: That's how you become a master.

757
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: You become a master and when you don't have to think,

758
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: you can close your eyes and your body will do

759
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: the movement or your mind will do the movement because

760
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: you've done it so many times. That's why I said

761
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: it takes ten years to become an overnight celebrity. Most

762
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: people see when someone finally gets it, but you didn't

763
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: see the ten thousand of hours that were put into

764
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: that expert effort to try to get to that point.

765
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 5: So I think, good, perfect Cory.

766
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 6: Sorry to cut you, but what you were describing it

767
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 6: sounds like a flow state, like you're just reacting. You're

768
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 6: just going with whatever's coming to you and going on

769
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: for that.

770
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: And the thing is people always attribute flow state to sports,

771
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: but it really goes with everything. Like if you're an actor,

772
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: right and you've practiced these lines and you understand the

773
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: character and you know who the character is, your central

774
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: nervous system becomes the character. So now when someone says

775
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: the line, you don't respond as yourself being devout acting

776
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: as Zach.

777
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: You respond to Zach. And that's the same flow state.

778
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: It's probably the same thing.

779
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: I watch y'all work all the time, and I watch

780
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: y'all sometimes and I'm like, Okay, what are they looking at?

781
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: And I watched Josh look at the lighting, and.

782
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: Then Matt will be say something like go to the

783
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: fifty five, and then Josh should be like, got it,

784
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the.

785
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: Fuck he didn't say smile.

786
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 12: It's almost like when y'all be filming its, it'd be

787
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 12: like a flow steak because I'd be like, y'all got

788
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 12: I wish I could film y'all working, because most people

789
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 12: wouldn't even.

790
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: Understand, Like they don't even say stuff. It'd be like,

791
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 5: hold on, clean this, No, get the fifty five?

792
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 10: No, that's that?

793
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 3: What a photography? You just got to? You don't got time?

794
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 10: How many about this?

795
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 9: So last week I did a workshop at the Camera

796
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 9: Store in New York pn H.

797
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 10: It's my first time actually doing like that.

798
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 9: It's live like workshop where it's just like me, all

799
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 9: eyes are on me, and I did I did that

800
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 9: in front of people and thank you, and I'll speaking

801
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 9: to a nigga afterwards, I'm like, yo, I don't even

802
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 9: like I'm doing this thing and I'm not even shooting

803
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 9: for real. It was like a nig I'm not trying

804
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 9: to shoot, and I'm saying I'm doing a disservice to

805
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 9: myself because the pictures that I end up with after

806
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 9: don't look as good as they could, but when you

807
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 9: look at them, no one can tell that way.

808
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: You tend to overthink a lot, because I feel like

809
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: you get like that sometimes at all.

810
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 9: I'm thinking, I'm I'm I know, like I'm the way

811
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 9: I'm holding my camera like you you talk about it,

812
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 9: and I'm comfortable, like the way you're doing it. I'm

813
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 9: trying not to block people like the class I care

814
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 9: where there's a TV like, I'm trying to shoot it

815
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 9: in a way but I'm not shooting it well. But

816
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 9: it's still done well, which is crazy to me because

817
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 9: I didn't. I never felt like that until I'm like realizing,

818
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, I didn't shoot it enough. I didn't

819
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 9: do this, I didn't do that, and niggas like you

820
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 9: did fine.

821
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: You think about it after the fact I could have

822
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: done differently, but in the moment it worked.

823
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 10: Yeah.

824
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 9: But it goes back to the point where like the

825
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 9: thousand that the ten thousand hours of doing something in

826
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 9: repetition sort of like molds you for like whatever comes about,

827
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 9: like I can do it in front of a thousand

828
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 9: people if I want to, I can do it in

829
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 9: front of ten thousand people.

830
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 10: I might feel nervous, but the shooting part, it is like.

831
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm glad you brought that up, because one of

832
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: the things that Triple put down here was talking about

833
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: fear of failure while trying to become an expert and

834
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: being afraid to not be perfect or be the expert

835
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: so you don't do it rather than just keep failing

836
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: over and over again until you become the expert. During

837
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that time where I was trying to catch punts, I

838
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: dropped so many punts until the point where the ball

839
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: would just be in the air and I would just

840
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: put my arm out and it would just like from

841
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: the minute it comes off the foot boom. I've done

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: this so many times. I can tell off the foot,

843
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: I could hear the sound, I could see the wind.

844
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: I know.

845
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: Let me stand right here and it drops like you

846
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 5: have to fail over and over and over and over.

847
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Again to become an expert. And then once you become

848
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: an expert, you becoming so good at it you'll know

849
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: when is wrong before, like you just said, Josh, before

850
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: what it even happened? You like, these pictures ain't gonna

851
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: look good because you're feeling like at the finger I've

852
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: watched you, Josh. Remember when we did Kaz's announcement. Yes,

853
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: and you had the stomach and we were in the

854
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: street with the balloons. Yes, yes, the bump on the bump, Josh.

855
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: This is this is the time where I was just

856
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: like you, this nigga, Josh is really nice. We had Cairo,

857
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: we had Jackson. We were on the street where there

858
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: was cars coming in. There was light coming in. Josh,

859
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: balloon every year balloon had to turn a certain way

860
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to say three because we were saying it was going

861
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: to be elis of three. Josh was just like, oh, shoot,

862
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: it's overcast, move right there. Stay so I'm like this right,

863
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm like yo, all right, everybody look turns Josh. He said, Geez,

864
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: Josh walking away, I said, what happened?

865
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: We missed it? He said, And I got it.

866
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 8: Do you remember that.

867
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 4: I don't. I probably had baby brain, but yeah, I said,

868
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: there's no.

869
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Way with all of the things going on, and he

870
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: got the picture. We're gonna put in this episode that

871
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: picture and you're gonna say that's AI because there's no

872
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: way all the elements to overshadow the trees. We were

873
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: on the street bump, there was no traffic. It was like,

874
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: you have to do things thousands of times to fail

875
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: before you do that. Because you remember the days, Josh

876
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: where it was me Kay Cairo Jackson and I'll be

877
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: like everybody sets.

878
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 5: Down, everybody and it was just like now we ain't

879
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: get it, we ain't get it. It takes time.

880
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I mean that ship because at that

881
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 4: point it saves you money too. Time is very much money.

882
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Get ready?

883
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: And you say that a confident so that people can

884
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: understand why masters get paid right exactly.

885
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 5: Time is money, Tom is money.

886
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: You're paying people for the efficiency of what they do.

887
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: So we're not sitting all day and experimenting.

888
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: And people want to get paid as masters and don't

889
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: put the work in to become a master. And then

890
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. You show up somewhere and

891
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, I paid you to do this and

892
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: now it's taking you time. They're like, very important, I

893
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: ain't get my money's work.

894
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 9: The problem is it's a low bar entry for everything

895
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 9: to right. So when you do that, you can just

896
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 9: come and demand this price without having any pass.

897
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Or his and people undercutting the market as well too.

898
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: I used to experience this as a makeup artist as well.

899
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: You know, having experience and developing a certain level of

900
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: clientele and knowing your work and knowing the speed it

901
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: which you work and how efficient you can be to

902
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: be able to bang out a wedding of you know,

903
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: eight to ten faces and a certain amount of time.

904
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: That's a certain skill set that's required for it.

905
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: But then you have in walks, you know, brand new

906
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: makeup artists or someone who's in training who walks in

907
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: with a box and is like, hey, I'm here to

908
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: do makeup and they want to charge fifty dollars a face.

909
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: You can no longer charge what you wanted to charge,

910
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: whether it was one fifty a face or one twenty

911
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: five of face, because here's someone else that's doing it

912
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: for fifty dollars. Now granted your face may look like

913
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: a fifty dollars face at the end of the day,

914
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: which I know is super frustrated for y'all a's photographers

915
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: when you have a really bad makeup job. But that

916
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: was an issue I used to run into back in

917
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: the day. I'm not even still see it now now

918
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: that as a talent I'm working with other makeup artists.

919
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: It's like certain artists who are certain to charging a premium.

920
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I can't even justify paying this to

921
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: you anymore when there's someone else who's equally as talented

922
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: that's half the price.

923
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: This also goes back to what we talked about doing

924
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: stuff for free. Why do you do stuff for free

925
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: to get reps? You know, there's no longer that internship

926
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: period for people. A lot of people just want to

927
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: get paid immediately. I watched the YouTube video.

928
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: I know how to do this.

929
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: You may know how to do it, but you're not

930
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: a master at it yet correct, which means it is

931
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: going to take you more time than a master would,

932
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: which means you're going to get paid less. People don't

933
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: understand that, and I think that once they start to

934
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: understand that, it takes a long.

935
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: Time to become a master, they'll realize that I can't

936
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: rush this aspect of my career.

937
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that goes back to a case original question

938
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 9: where she asked, do you choose you choose your craft?

939
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 9: Does your craft choose you? I think it is a

940
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 9: little bit of both. But more than anything is you

941
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 9: got to choose it. You can't be a master or

942
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 9: something by accident. That's just not going to happen. You

943
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 9: got to choose to, like, you know, like when it

944
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 9: feels like you're not where you want to be or

945
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 9: where you see other people are, you still got to

946
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 9: be diligent in that. And I think that that dedication

947
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 9: to do that and that will to see a future

948
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 9: that isn't there yet means that you absolutely have to

949
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 9: choose it. I agree with that because you have to

950
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 9: love it to do it for thousands of hours and

951
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 9: not get paid to.

952
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: Become a master. Think about it, you know what I'm saying.

953
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Like, even with the kids with sports, I tell them

954
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: all the time, I'm not going to pick your sport

955
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to be the dad that's going

956
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: to tell you you have to train. I want you

957
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to be the kid that loves it so much. That

958
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: you're training and that's how you become a master.

959
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 5: So you really do have to choose it.

960
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 8: I love it.

961
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 10: Or your dad could be like Joe Jackson.

962
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe Jackson, you can be great. But I think

963
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: I think Jackson's wanted to though.

964
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, they definitely wanted to. It's just a vehicle to

965
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 9: get to be the greatest.

966
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: Bring back j Jackson to the world.

967
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 10: No, no, no, no, it is no.

968
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 9: But is it that the profile of Joe Jackson not

969
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 9: the action that the profile is a dad that's driven

970
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 9: to see He's who sees greatness in his sons and

971
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 9: it's gonna push them to get there.

972
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 5: I think that seriously.

973
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: Before we low key demonized Joe Jackson, none of his

974
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: kids ever complained about him.

975
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 10: True, no, I did.

976
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: This is the world about what he did.

977
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: His kids, Michael and Janet became the two greatest entertainers ever.

978
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: The rest of the kids made hundreds of millions of

979
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: dollars as well. His family's taken care of. Look at

980
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Serena Williams, King Richard, they demonized that man. Look at

981
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: LeVar Ball, they demonized him. None of his kids complained

982
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: about him. I just I noticing a trend that if

983
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: you're a black father in your kids life, people don't

984
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: want you around because you know why, they can't manipulate

985
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: and extort you for your gifts.

986
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 5: Your father not gonna have it. That's what I see.

987
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 5: So I'm not going to demonize any of them black

988
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 5: men for doing what they did.

989
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 8: Same thing with.

990
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jo Jackson, I will receive it. I'm gonna make four.

991
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: They're gonna be great or whatever. And that's not a knock.

992
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: That's actually me giving you your flowers because I think

993
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: it's important and it's necessary. We were just talking last

994
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: night about the balance between doing that right, the balance

995
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: between discipline.

996
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: This is been a good conversation because we had this

997
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: conversation last night.

998
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like the balance between what that discipline looks

999
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: like because Devout understands what it takes. So it's balancing

1000
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: the kids knowing what's required of them and making it

1001
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: like second nature where they're just like, this is what

1002
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: we do. This is not just me trying to attain something.

1003
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: This is just a way of life. Being a great athlete,

1004
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: being a good student. Yes, this is what life requires

1005
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: to be great at anything.

1006
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Last night, I'll give you an example just so y'all know,

1007
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: and I'll tell y'all to k blood pressure wing up

1008
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: because she found out she's going back to film. We

1009
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: already got eight thousand things going on everyone here with Pops,

1010
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: me filming, the kids, got a bunch of stuff going on.

1011
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: This has been a lot, So Kate blood pressure up.

1012
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: Last night, she goes getting the bath. I get in

1013
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: the bath with her and I'm like, yo, let's just

1014
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: just just tell how you're feeling, Like, what's what's going on.

1015
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: So we're talking and then it came to me and

1016
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I can be honest. I said,

1017
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm a lot to deal with, an I like, for

1018
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: you and I a lot to deal with. And she

1019
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: was like, I said, this is the moment where you

1020
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: have to be honest about how you feel. Like we're

1021
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: in the bath, your blood pressure is high. We can't

1022
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: bullshit each other. She was like, yeah, the value a lot.

1023
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: And I was just like, just like just now with

1024
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Jackson in the hair thing, right, she was like, yeah,

1025
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what that was about. So I said,

1026
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: so let me explain.

1027
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 10: I said.

1028
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: Jackson played yesterday twenty five, five.

1029
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: And eight, only three turnovers, play really well but he

1030
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: lifts after the game because then this next game is

1031
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: five days away. So as soon as we get in

1032
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: the driveway, I'm like, yo, you got to lift today

1033
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: to be ready for Friday. K goes Don't you have

1034
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: a test tomorrow? I say, Jackson, if you have a test,

1035
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, school gotta come first. He said, yeah, do

1036
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: you gotta test tomorrow? I want to study?

1037
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: Can we lift tomorrow? I say, cool?

1038
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 10: All right?

1039
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 5: I said the lift was only gonna be two, only

1040
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: twenty five minutes. So we go inside. An hour goes by.

1041
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: I come back upstairs. He still hasn't started his work.

1042
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: He's eating, but he got his hair done, like he

1043
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: was doing his hair, And I say, yo, jack you

1044
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: got to understand when you tell me that you can't

1045
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: work out because you have to study. And I come

1046
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: upstairs an hour later, and you were doing your hair.

1047
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: If I'm a coach, what does that say? That means

1048
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: that you were trying to get out of doing the

1049
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: work because you wanted to do something else. He was like,

1050
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: I empt to see it that way. I said, I

1051
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: know you didn't, but I'm trying to explain to you.

1052
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: If I'm a coach and you tell me you can't

1053
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: make it to lifting because you got study hall. And

1054
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: then I'm done with the lift and I see you

1055
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: in the hall way with some girls and you getting

1056
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: your hair braided. What's the coach going to think? He's like,

1057
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, and I was like, Mom,

1058
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you too. So as soon as I leave,

1059
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: K says to Jack's man, my bad, Jack, I got

1060
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: you in trouble. And Jack says to Kay, I got

1061
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: you in trouble. I said, Kay, even that verbiage of

1062
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: it be in trouble, where was the trouble?

1063
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: There was no trouble.

1064
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was firm and I was stern to what

1065
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: I was saying. But I didn't follow that up with

1066
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: now you onw me five hundred burpies or Kay, let

1067
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: me talk to you later. I was just trying to

1068
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: explain something and then I walked away. There was no

1069
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: trouble afterwards, and Ky was like, I never thought about

1070
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: it like that. They just both felt like they were

1071
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: in trouble. And I said, sometimes as a man, I

1072
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: can be stern and firm with my son when I'm

1073
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: trying to teach them a lesson and there's no trouble

1074
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: after it.

1075
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: It's just you got to understand that.

1076
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: But even both of them in that time were kind

1077
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: of taken back, And I explained to Kay, you were

1078
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: taking back because your dad isn't firm like me.

1079
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, firm like my mom was

1080
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: very firm.

1081
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: Yes, your mom is me. And the crazy thing is

1082
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: her mom is disciplined.

1083
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: They called her a stage mom, And I'm like, just

1084
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: because you want to be firm and disciplined with your

1085
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: kids and you required that their standard is high, doesn't

1086
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: mean you.

1087
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: Are a bad parent.

1088
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: Now, other people outside may see your tone and may

1089
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: seem like, wow, that's a lot.

1090
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 5: Because even my wife thought my tone was a lot.

1091
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: But then I had to explain to her like there

1092
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: were no consequences afterwards, I can explain something to you

1093
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: and walk away. And she explained that oftentimes they feel

1094
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: like they're going to be in trouble, I'm going to

1095
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: be upset, and I'm like, you know what, even as

1096
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: a dad, I got to I have to realize that

1097
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: I can when I'm stern and firm, let me give

1098
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: them closure. So there's no there's no trouble, right, you

1099
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: That's that yeah, because that will be very very stern.

1101
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: You know, he'll tell him exactly how he feels about it,

1102
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: but then coats it with that I'm proud of you,

1103
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: or with the love.

1104
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 4: So with the boys, it's never like damn, I just

1105
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: can't stand his nigga, here you go again. They may

1106
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 4: have a moment where they you know, okay, here you go, the.

1107
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Colder can't stand. The colder can stand right now before

1108
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: now I'm his arch numbers.

1109
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the most part, like, it's great that

1110
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: you're able to have that duality where they're like they

1111
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: super respect that they know what's required, but they also

1112
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: know like Dad loves me so.

1113
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: Much, like I just want to be around him all

1114
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: the time, you know, I hope. So think about it.

1115
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: You, you and Jackson have gotten into the you know

1116
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: most where you let him have it about certain things.

1117
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: Do y'all talk things out, and then he'll come down.

1118
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: He'll sit next to you and he'll be like, so

1119
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: be good, Dad, Are we good?

1120
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 5: And I'm always like, yeah, why we not good?

1121
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: And I never understood why he would even feel to

1122
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: ask me until last night when Kay was just like

1123
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: then we thought we was in trouble, and I'm like, okay,

1124
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: so my intent is not landing with the impact that

1125
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: I think is happening. And I also watching LeVar Ball,

1126
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: watching all of those guys that came before me, seeing like,

1127
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a villain to the point

1128
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: where it detracts from my kids greatness, right, you know

1129
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because at some point it becomes a

1130
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: thing where now it's about you, dad, and it ain't

1131
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: about the kids. I got four black boys. They will

1132
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: not be allowed to be mediocre in the world. It

1133
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who their mom and dad is, how much

1134
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: money they've made. You cannot be mediocre. And I just

1135
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: fear that, And sometimes I probably can be over the

1136
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: top because that's the only way I knew how to be.

1137
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: Like I'm just like this all the time.

1138
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I think that when they're older and they

1139
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 7: have to do things on their own, they'll think back

1140
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 7: to these lessons that they learn and these things that

1141
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 7: they had to do and realize that it was great

1142
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 7: for their development as people. Because I think that some

1143
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 7: parents are just hard on their kids for no fucking reason,

1144
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 7: like eat all your food or like, you know what

1145
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 7: I'm saying, stop yelling or stupid shit like or they're hard.

1146
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 4: On their kids and they've never been that.

1147
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, think about the even some of the

1148
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: dads we see who are coaches, and they're just so like,

1149
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, dead set, gung ho and certain things. And

1150
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: it's like, my god, you probably never never play on life,

1151
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: and you have these standards for your children that you

1152
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: can't even like be an example to.

1153
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: You can't even give an experience that you've.

1154
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: Had in it.

1155
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: It's just and I mean I understand the opposite. The

1156
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: opposite may be I never attained all these things. So

1157
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: I want my children to be able to have these opportunities.

1158
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: I want them to be great because I didn't have

1159
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: the opportunity to be great. But there also has to

1160
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: be a balance.

1161
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you got to do it with them though,

1162
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 5: Like that's why I work out every day.

1163
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: I can't tell my kids, you got to give me

1164
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of training every day and I don't work

1165
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: out because they can never say to me that he

1166
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: don't even do this. Nah, you see me sprint and

1167
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: run and throw this thing. I be throwing that medicine

1168
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: ball for no reason. I don't got to do no

1169
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: medicine ball tosses. But I just want them to see

1170
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: like I'm doing it right, you know, and you do

1171
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: the same thing. You work out in there, so they

1172
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: can't say, oh my mom, don't work out, you know.

1173
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: I do think it is important to for parents, if

1174
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: they're going to be on their kids, show them what discipline.

1175
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1176
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, try to see if we covered all

1177
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 2: the boxes. Yeah, I think you can take a break.

1178
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: Are I good?

1179
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: All right, let's wrap it up here this portion of

1180
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: the show. We're gonna take a quick break and we

1181
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: will be back with.

1182
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 4: Our listener Letter of the day, Dope. Stick around, y'all.

1183
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: All right, we'll back.

1184
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump in hi Kajee's vow Trip Matt and Josh.

1185
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: I'm a thirty one year old masculine presenting masculine presenting woman.

1186
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: I've been out since I was eighteen, but have known

1187
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 2: I was gay since I could walk.

1188
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 4: I've always I always say I came out of the wound.

1189
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: The do ragon tims on. The issue I'm having is

1190
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 2: with my parents. We go back and forth for years

1191
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: about my sexuality. They've said some harsh things pertaining to

1192
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: me about my sexuality and justifies it as their quote

1193
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: unquote religious beliefs. If they didn't say it to me directly,

1194
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: it was directed towards something LGBT. They have compared their

1195
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: love for me as a gay woman, as a parent

1196
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: who still loves their child that has committed murder okay,

1197
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: apples to oranges and quite frankly insulting to me. I've

1198
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: tried to explain that when they make those comments towards LGBT,

1199
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: they are in fact also speaking about me. They tell

1200
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: me that they aren't and that I'm basically the quote

1201
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: unquote exception. I don't agree with that because it shows

1202
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: that they still feel some type of way about it all.

1203
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: I don't think that separate but equal mentality works in

1204
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: any form of discrimination. After ten plus years of trying

1205
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: to keep it all together for family's sake and take

1206
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: the slices and comments, I have had enough, especially when

1207
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: I have a sibling who is straight and gets treated

1208
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: differently than I. I've decided to go low contact to

1209
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: protect myself as this was really weighing on my mental

1210
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: I've been suicidal throughout the past because of this. I'm

1211
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: supposed to just be okay with it because they don't

1212
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: accept the homosexuality. They don't accept that homosexuality is real,

1213
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: that they accept me. I don't feel accepted, but more

1214
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: so tolerated because I'm their daughter. Now I'm getting blamed

1215
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: for the fact that I don't have that. Now I'm

1216
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: getting blamed for the fact that I've distanced myself, and

1217
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 2: they won't understand why I can't separate the two when

1218
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: they can. The cognitive dissonance is so strong. This is

1219
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: also the energy I don't want to bring my partner

1220
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: into because that undertone of quote unquote, my religious beliefs

1221
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: is still very much alive, even if I'm allowed to

1222
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: bring someone around. However, the only reason I was bringing

1223
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: partners around was because I thought they had changed their

1224
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: beliefs and was fully accepting of LGBT. I tried to

1225
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: explain it in terms of racism, and they basically said

1226
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: that while they don't agree with racism, that would be

1227
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: that person's belief What the fuck, that's what she said,

1228
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: And you wouldn't want to keep associating yourself with the

1229
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: racists even if you were the exception.

1230
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1231
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: It's almost like they refuse to see it that way,

1232
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure why. It's as if they have

1233
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: one foot in and the other out. I think when

1234
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: it comes to topics of this kind, it's hard to

1235
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: remain neutral. They aren't overly they aren't overly homophobic, but

1236
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: the microaggressions and undertones of quote I wish you were

1237
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: different end quote are getting old. Family is very important

1238
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: to me, but it's becoming increasingly evident that if I'm

1239
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: going to build my own family, I'm going to have

1240
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: to distance myself from my parents. How do I get

1241
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: my parents to understand that their beliefs and comments hurt

1242
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: me and their quote acceptance of me gets undermined by

1243
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: those comments. By the way, I've been listening to your

1244
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: podcast for years, and purchase your book. We over me

1245
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: the hard copies I could be eligible for best self,

1246
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: so it could be eligible for best seller.

1247
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1248
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1249
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a great reason I look forward to

1250
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 4: more in the future. Love you guys. Keep grinding and striving.

1251
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: It's only up from here. Oh, thank you so much

1252
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 4: for that.

1253
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 5: This is my biggest thing is these are two different ideologies.

1254
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: And it's like if you're a person of the LGBT

1255
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: community and you feel like a Christian, for example, is

1256
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: using the Bible to go against you. A Christian will

1257
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: then say, you're losing your lifestyle against me. I understand

1258
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: where her mom's coming from. It's like, you can't convince

1259
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: someone else to believe something different if i'm her. Sometimes

1260
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: distance is important. If someone doesn't respect who you are,

1261
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: you can't make them respect who you are. And it's

1262
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: not their responsibility to change their beliefs because you are

1263
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: different than what they want it. And it's not your

1264
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: responsibility to change who you are to fit their beliefs.

1265
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: Like that, to me, that's what's going on with social media.

1266
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: We want to make everyone else believe what we believe, right,

1267
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: and that's never going to happen, right, you know what

1268
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, you cannot convince me that someone being

1269
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: in the LGBTQ community is wrong. You can't convince me

1270
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: that someone being a Christian is wrong. But what you

1271
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: can say is, hey, your lifestyle is different from mine.

1272
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: To try to have empathy for each other and let's

1273
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: grow together and see how we can exist and coexist together.

1274
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: You're never going to convince everybody else, and that goes

1275
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: for both sides. The Bible boppers are not going to

1276
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: convince the LGBTQ community, and the LGBTQ community is never

1277
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: going to convince the Bible boppers, And why do we

1278
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: have to I just really don't understand that.

1279
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the relationship thing here, you know,

1280
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: I said recently, just because somebody is family because of

1281
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: their family tree does not mean that it's even somebody

1282
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: you would want to associate with. Like there are people

1283
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: that we've spoken about that are family members that it's

1284
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: just like man, like, we don't even think the same

1285
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: we don't enjoy the same things. Our ideology, our ideologies

1286
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: is so different. And it's just like you when you

1287
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: break it down, it's we're all just human beings. So

1288
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: you may have to distance yourself from your parents, as

1289
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: hurtful as that's going to be for you, and I'm

1290
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: sure it will be for them to protect your peace,

1291
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: to be who you are, Like who wants to live

1292
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: in this world trying to conform to what somebody else wants.

1293
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 8: You to be.

1294
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: I don't like it.

1295
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: This life is way too short.

1296
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: I've known it, especially in the past couple months. Like

1297
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm want to live for me, I'm wont live for

1298
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: the people who rock with me. Who roll with me,

1299
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: who I love. You can love your parents still, but

1300
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily have to be up under them if

1301
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: you're a grown ass, you know woman at this point.

1302
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have this problem with my mother, who is

1303
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 7: religious and doesn't believe that, you know, being gay is

1304
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 7: you know right. Necessarily she is accepting of me, but

1305
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 7: sometimes she'll say little shit like recently she was like,

1306
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 7: you know, I was praying about it, and I thank.

1307
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 8: God, funny sick.

1308
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 7: You know, you're not as successful as your as you

1309
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 7: could be because basically I keep talking about being gay.

1310
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Speaker 8: So I'm like, oh my god, I gotta go. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to say, like, how do you even respond

1312
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: to that, cause there's no, no, you don't. How do

1313
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: you want me to argue with you about that?

1314
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 8: Yeah? I don't give it any energy, and.

1315
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: What are you going to respond? And then it's like

1316
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: when you then walk away, does that make her feel better?

1317
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: Like damn, I just literally drove my child away.

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00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 8: No, she felt bad.

1319
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 7: She felt me get like silent. I didn't say anything

1320
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 7: back to her, and then she tried to like, you know,

1321
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 7: clean it up a little bit because she knows that

1322
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 7: it's hurtful, like your parents know that what they're saying

1323
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: to you is hurting you, but their goal is to

1324
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 7: try to change your mind to make you want to

1325
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 7: please them instead of living your own life, and you

1326
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 7: can't do that. So distance is important, and I feel

1327
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 7: like it's about the capacity that you have to deal

1328
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 7: with your parents believes being different than yours because life's.

1329
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 8: Gonna go on.

1330
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 7: You may want to get married, you may want to

1331
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 7: have kids, and they might have something to say about that.

1332
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 7: They might, you know, not feel okay about you raising

1333
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 7: a child with another woman. They're gonna have something to

1334
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 7: say about that. So it really depends on what your

1335
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 7: capacity is. If you have no capacity for it, don't

1336
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 7: talk to them. It's they'll I mean, if they love you,

1337
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 7: if they love you like they claim they do, they'll

1338
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 7: come around and they will try to be more respectful

1339
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 7: of your life, because that's what it boils down to.

1340
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 8: Whether they believe it's right or not, it doesn't matter.

1341
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 7: It's not their life to live, it's yours, and they

1342
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 7: should love you the way that a parent loves their child,

1343
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 7: not with conditions, you know what I'm saying, So fuck them, Hey,

1344
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 7: fuck them, No.

1345
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 5: I agree with that. I also agree though that it

1346
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 5: has to go both ways.

1347
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: Though, Like because you're a child and say you have

1348
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: a different alternative lifestyle, Now you want your parents to

1349
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: change their beliefs for their whole life because you change

1350
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: the lifestyle, you can't do that. Yeah, Like, it goes

1351
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: both ways. We just talk to have we have to

1352
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: have more empathy for each other. You're an individual, you

1353
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: have individual thoughts and beliefs. As long as your individual

1354
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: thoughts and beliefs aren't directly bringing harm.

1355
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: To me, I have no problem with what you're doing.

1356
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: And if you're not harming kids, you're not harming elderly people, disabled,

1357
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: you're not stealing from people. You live a different alternative

1358
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: lifestyle on your personal time. Your belief system is this

1359
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: Christian Muslim j What does that have to.

1360
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 7: Do with me?

1361
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: And I think more people have to start realizing that

1362
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: in this world, it's not your job to convince people.

1363
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 7: For people who are homophobic anti LGBT. That can be

1364
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 7: harmful to people. If you know, if you vote based

1365
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 7: on your beliefs and you vote for anti LGBT laws

1366
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 7: to be enacted, or even if you're just like fucking

1367
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 7: with your child's mind.

1368
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 8: People put their kids out for being gay.

1369
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 7: They I'm homeless, Like, so that can be harmful for

1370
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 7: you to not let somebody live the way they want

1371
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 7: to live and love them. You know, even regardless, you

1372
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 7: don't have to be gay yourself. Nobody's asking you to

1373
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 7: eat pussy. Mom.

1374
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 8: We just just let me live my life.

1375
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 7: And I think love makes everyone better, Like I can

1376
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 7: be a better person through love than I can be

1377
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 7: through hate. So I feel like hete you know, hating

1378
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 7: somebody because they're gay it is really causing more harm,

1379
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 7: whereas me being gay is really not doing nothing to nobody.

1380
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: Parent when I look at it, if I'm trying to

1381
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: like think of it from a parent perspective, or her

1382
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: parents would be thinking, it's like you probably have an

1383
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: idea or a mindset or I guess more so, but

1384
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: you foresee for your child's life, and if your child

1385
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: is moving in a way that it's not in accordance

1386
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: with that, then the parents probably reflect and be like, well, damn,

1387
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: what did we do differently or where did we go wrong? Yeah,

1388
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: she ended up like this, but it's like, bro, this

1389
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: is who I am.

1390
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 8: Yeah you got agree with that?

1391
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 4: Walking you know what I mean.

1392
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: Is she is I agree I think that some of

1393
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: it comes out of fear. So you grew up Southern Baptists,

1394
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: and you honestly believe that man, if you do anything

1395
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: against the Bible, you go into hell. Now you have

1396
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: a che and you think that your child is sinning

1397
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: and they're going to hell. That fear may cause you

1398
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: to do and say things that you think are out

1399
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: of love and not realize that you're affecting your child.

1400
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 5: That doesn't make it okay.

1401
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: But that's why we have to have conversations so we

1402
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: can know what's the root of why are you saying

1403
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: these things?

1404
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 6: Mom?

1405
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: Dad, why do you feel this way? And if you

1406
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: heard your parents really tell you the truth, Like, I'm

1407
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: afraid for your soul. It's like with dad and mom,

1408
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: let's have some discussions about my soul. Yeah, you know

1409
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think all of these things can

1410
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: be healed with educated, empathetic conversations, not just casting out

1411
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 1: venom at people and pointing. And I certainly don't agree

1412
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: with just throwing scriptures at people or throwing homophobic comments

1413
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: at people. I don't agree with that either, But there

1414
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: has to be conversations amongst all of us as people.

1415
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 5: How we can coexist because these lifestyles are not going anywhere.

1416
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I tell you.

1417
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 7: I had to tell my mom, like when I was born,

1418
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 7: she prayed to have me and somebody prophesied over who

1419
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 7: I would be. So she always thought that God created

1420
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 7: me to have a purpose, you know, And I told her,

1421
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 7: God created me perfectly. I don't think that God created

1422
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 7: me gay because he wanted to send me to hell.

1423
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

1424
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 7: I don't think God created me this way if it

1425
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 7: was not okay, So you're gonna have to accept it,

1426
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 7: and that's it. But I also don't have any desire

1427
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 7: to talk to my mom about like who I'm dating

1428
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 7: and stuff like that.

1429
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: So and that's also fun to Yeah, you know what

1430
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, you don't even have to bring that

1431
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: to her. That that cause And that's my point. I

1432
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: know this caused my mom grief. I'm not even gonna

1433
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: bring that to my mind.

1434
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 8: And she's met some of my partners, she's you know,

1435
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 8: stayed with me when I was living.

1436
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: But because because also hiding it is not good for you.

1437
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't hide it. I don't hide it. I

1438
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 8: don't hide it for.

1439
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 5: Trying to be funny because I can see.

1440
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: This, that's, that's, or just anything over so many.

1441
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point, but it will be hard for

1442
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: you to be like, man, I really like when you

1443
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: meet your person, like I just love this person so much.

1444
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: I want to share this person with my family.

1445
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 8: And she's still gonna be like, oh, how's your friend?

1446
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 7: R right?

1447
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna be like, she's fine, she's fine, wife,

1448
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 8: But here's my thing.

1449
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 5: In heterosexual relationship.

1450
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 4: Would be the same one.

1451
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: You know what they tell you keep your parents out

1452
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: of your relationship, So anyway, keep your parents out of

1453
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: your relationship, whether you're gay or straight, Like they don't

1454
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: need to know everything that's.

1455
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 4: Going on, Like use your imagination.

1456
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying with that, like, Mom, get

1457
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 5: on my bed, what do you care?

1458
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

1459
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 7: And once they get closer to their death and they

1460
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 7: realize you're not changing, they'll just be fine with it.

1461
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 8: They're gonna be like, I'm gonna die anyway, I ain't

1462
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 8: get lost again. She's never gonna stop wearing boxers.

1463
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: The funny thing is all of the elders in my

1464
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: family and the people I know who are devout Christians

1465
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: right as they do get older, they do start being like, yeah,

1466
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: it's almost like they have clarity on different things, like

1467
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: the things I was worried about.

1468
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: Back then, worried about it.

1469
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 4: I watched it forty.

1470
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, my grandparents.

1471
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: I watched it, my aunts and uncles, certain people who

1472
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: I thought I was like, I'm never going to see

1473
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: them again.

1474
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 5: They gay and got kids, and now I'm like, wait a.

1475
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: Minute, y'all around and all their parents like, we don't

1476
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: care about that shit, y'all, realizing that we're all humans.

1477
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 5: You can't change people minds on everything, and now everybody

1478
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 5: could get over.

1479
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 4: The body it's fine.

1480
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: Or I have a cousin on one of my sides

1481
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: of the family that everybody know he's gay, and to

1482
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: this day it's just like the elephant in the room,

1483
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: and it's like he moves on with his life and

1484
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: he's happy, and that's not a topic of conversation within

1485
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: the family.

1486
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 4: So it's like, Okay, cool, let it rock.

1487
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: You said something last night, though, that I think was

1488
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: very profound. Kay was like, sometimes she gets upset and

1489
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: get depressed because all these things are happening around her,

1490
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: but nothing is actually happening to her.

1491
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 5: So she's making a choice to let these things bring

1492
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 5: her down.

1493
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: I think all of us as humans need to realize,

1494
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: if nothing's exactly happening to me, why do I care

1495
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: so much?

1496
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 5: And make it about me? Like these things happen. You

1497
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like, fuck it, you know what

1498
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1499
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: If nothing is directly happening to affect me, let me

1500
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: focus on what I can change and what I can

1501
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: do and keep living my life truthfully.

1502
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 5: That's all you can do.

1503
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, good luck to you, Thank you so

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: much for writing in and if you want to be

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: featured as a listener letter for a future episode this year,

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Speaker 2: right on in.

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Speaker 4: We want the email box to be bubbling over, bubbling over.

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Speaker 10: All right.

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Speaker 4: D ellis advice at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 5: That's t h E E L l I s A

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Speaker 5: d v I C E at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: All right, time for a moment of truth.

1513
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Speaker 2: We're talking about working on your craft, becoming a master

1514
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: at such Did your craft choose you?

1515
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 4: Or did you choose your craft? Who wants to start?

1516
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 7: I'll say my moment of truth is hard work beats

1517
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 7: talent with town doesn't work hard?

1518
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah always, yeah, really really true?

1519
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 9: Is get your reps up. You missed one hundred percent

1520
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 9: of shots, says you don't take I like that too.

1521
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't got nothing better than those two. I ain't

1522
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: got a lot of y'all.

1523
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 4: You forgot what yours from earlier?

1524
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: Don't shiite right, don't ship?

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Speaker 4: Where did you got a baby?

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Speaker 1: so that getting those reps in become fun. Because if

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Speaker 1: you try to become a master something you really don't

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Speaker 1: like to do, you're gonna hate every minute of it

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Speaker 2: I love that the sooner you realize what your God

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Speaker 2: given talent is and then the skill behind it. Greatness

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Speaker 2: is where that intersection meets. That's where the magic happens.

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Speaker 2: That's where the craft becomes second nature to you. All right, y'all,

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