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Speaker 1: Tour announcement starts now. Hello everyone, This is Sam here

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Speaker 1: to remind you that I am doing a tour this

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Speaker 1: summer of my beautiful and gorgeous stand up comedy. I

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Speaker 1: will hopefully be filming this hour in the fall, so

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Speaker 1: this is sort of to get it all right and tight,

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Speaker 1: and I would love love to see you there. So

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Speaker 1: if you are in San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Washington, d C. Philadelphia, Chicago, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: or Boston, please come out. It would mean the world

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Speaker 1: to me. So enjoy the episode and get tickets by.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Wow Wow, wow, wow Wow. Here we are.

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Speaker 3: We are in sunny Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we haven't seen the sun yet today, but we

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Speaker 1: do trust that it will be there when we leave

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Speaker 1: this studio.

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Speaker 2: George, how the hell are you?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to not say what's on my mind,

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Speaker 3: which is that, of course today is the primary, but

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Speaker 2: It well because this will be coming This.

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Speaker 3: Will be coming out later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I kept having this joke in my head with myself,

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Speaker 3: of course my toughest critic, but also my most rewarding audience,

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Speaker 3: that I'm coming to Los Angeles to personally to save

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Speaker 3: you guys from Spencer Pratt because I was flying in

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Speaker 3: the night before. Yeah, it was very much that little

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Speaker 3: video of super Nanny where she's like, I'm on my way.

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Speaker 2: I'm on my way.

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Speaker 1: Well, which is funny because I actually went to New

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Speaker 1: York when zorn One.

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Speaker 3: And you succeeded.

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Speaker 1: I succeeded because I was like, somebody, I just they

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Speaker 1: need one more guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you do voter fraud and vote? Because I've

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Speaker 3: been considering doing that.

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Speaker 2: Here can I say I did vote just.

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Speaker 3: Because you're still register in New York, ure in New.

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Speaker 1: York, and so you know it wasn't fraud necessarily, but

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Speaker 1: on another level, I guess it was.

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Speaker 2: But please don't share this far or why.

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Speaker 3: You know. The thing with La right now is and

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Speaker 3: people are really going to get mad at me for it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually glad what you're you're abut to say,

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Speaker 1: you're wout to say because our guests can and is.

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Speaker 3: A native Angelina. Yeah, I said something to Djibuki yesterday

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Speaker 3: and I was like, write that down. That's genius, which

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Speaker 3: is I landed in Lax and I had the thought,

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Speaker 3: you know, La is going through a difficult time right

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Speaker 3: now with just this election and how stupid it is,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like it is a city that is

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Speaker 3: like kind of struggling to define what post pandemic Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles is. Okay, obviously our guests is there's literally like

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Speaker 3: a steam coming out of her ears and nostrils. But

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Speaker 3: she's not oh cool. And I had the thought visiting

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Speaker 3: La now is how I felt when I would visit

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Speaker 3: my family in Greece during the financial collapse in debt crisis.

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Speaker 3: I remember like getting off the plane in Greece and

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Speaker 3: being like, God, this once great country will rise again,

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Speaker 3: which is sort of how I feel about Lah, which

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Speaker 3: I have so much affection for. But I'm like, you, guys, like,

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Speaker 3: just get some people in a room, like we can

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Speaker 3: figure this out.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: How I feel about it is the same way I

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Speaker 1: feel about Katy Perry. Of course, yes, Katy Perry. Because

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Speaker 1: it was so fun to hate on Katy Perry when

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Speaker 1: she was on top of the world. Yes, But now

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Speaker 1: that she's you know, everyone's making fun of her and

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Speaker 2: Have a hit to save her lives. I'm like, you, guys,

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Speaker 2: put some respect.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm that woman. I agree, and I actually do

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Speaker 3: get defensive about it. Even though I like to lovingly

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Speaker 3: hit La, I get defensive when other people hate. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, La, you mean the city they gave me

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Speaker 3: my first writing job for Quibi. I mean I would

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Speaker 3: like to see New York do that. It's completely If

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Speaker 3: you went to New York and pitched Quibby, they would

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Speaker 3: literally chase you out with pitchforks. In La, they said

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Speaker 2: In La, they dare to dream.

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Speaker 3: That's all they're doing. So they haven't woken up from

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Speaker 2: Which is why the city is not running amazing.

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Speaker 3: That's right, No, and it's they're on the sort of

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Speaker 3: their you know, Google Apple watches, they're saying, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: your sleep rating is amazing, your heartbeat is exactly where

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Speaker 3: it needs to be, Like you're so relaxed, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we maybe just have to bring

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Speaker 1: in our guests because it actually feels a rebuttal. It

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Speaker 1: feels so deeply rude to not Yeah, so please art

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Speaker 1: with the podcast. Christina Catherine Martinez.

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Speaker 4: Thank you? Did you? Did you get it out?

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Speaker 3: And now respond and now respond, what do you have

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Speaker 3: to say for yourself? You're a native Angelina.

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Speaker 4: You're not wrong. This is a city for dreamers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, started out as a young home.

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Speaker 2: School East LA.

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Speaker 3: I like the idea of I started out young.

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Speaker 2: So my story starts young.

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Speaker 3: My story I used to be young, and then I

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Speaker 3: get kept getting progressively older.

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Speaker 4: Where do I start? I was born. But also, I

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Speaker 4: haven't been to this side of town in a while.

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Speaker 4: And you're not wrong in that there's very there's a

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Speaker 4: post apocalyptic affect in the air, this great collection of

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Speaker 4: seems like empty seeming offices that are right down there

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Speaker 4: that used to be a premier cultural destination called Space.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen twenty, I saw Kenneth Anger in flip flops play

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Speaker 4: the theremon in front of an urban outfitters. Oh wow,

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Speaker 4: I walk away from here. And even at the time,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to internalize the significance of the moment, and

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Speaker 4: there was like this wall of irony that wasn't going

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Speaker 4: to let me have it. But I'm like, this guy

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Speaker 4: is I don't know if you've seen Kenneth Anger in

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Speaker 4: his later years.

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 4: He was on his way.

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Speaker 3: Out right, Yeah, well, there's a very specific aging art.

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Speaker 3: I mean whatever, there's a different sort of like archetype

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Speaker 3: zero in on what you're saying, which is finding yourself

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Speaker 3: in a position, finding yourself in an environment that feels

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Speaker 3: this would be out of a David Foster Wallace story orself.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm writing a second book of essays basically about

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Speaker 4: how being a first generation immigrant born in a place

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Speaker 4: used to beat myself up over it, like I got

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Speaker 3: And it don't matter, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. Also, I want to say as

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Speaker 4: was talking to, especially in regards to Quibbi and dreaming

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Speaker 4: talking to a New York Times journalist who cited me

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Speaker 4: doesn't get Los Angeles. The fact that I came up

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Speaker 3: Happening, and now a stage actress.

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Speaker 4: Yes, stage actress, still look still.

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Speaker 2: Looking for camera work, open to all.

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Speaker 4: Open to everything. I'll put anything in my face. What

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Speaker 4: my camera's over there, I'm not even looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Stage actress. Not my choice, not my choice against. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I do far away. I said to Sam when we

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Speaker 3: it's rare that you find someone who has a career

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, so you're telling me you went to

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Speaker 2: Tell me more.

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Speaker 4: Are you an advisor with a podcast?

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Speaker 3: But you are. You were fully like an art critic,

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Speaker 3: embedded in the art world, like you wrote for Art Forum.

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Speaker 3: You were wearing pleats Please. You were going to galleries openings.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly you get to please.

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Speaker 4: And that's my find more interesting as also a straight

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Speaker 4: I'm in the world, but not of it, which is

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Speaker 4: a very evangelical thing. But and you are a deeply,

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Speaker 3: You're a Christian art critic. That's kind of that's your

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Speaker 3: lane is like everyone else your whole thing. It's like

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Speaker 3: so you would sort of art Forum has all these

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna you're looking at the Francis Bacon Pope

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Speaker 2: The being of the world, but not in it is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very it's a very evangelical.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a very evangelical thing.

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Speaker 3: And what does this mean.

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Speaker 4: It means that, Uh, I think it's supposed to me

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Speaker 4: that you want to not silo yourself, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: It's more like the call to ministry, the call to proselytizing,

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Speaker 3: And uh was Jesus of the world, but not in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the world, but not of the world.

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Speaker 3: Have you guys been here before?

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite restaurant tropes or cliches is when

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Speaker 3: Sizzler and what is that is Sizzler.

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Speaker 4: Sizzler is another like Ross dress for less, which is

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Speaker 3: So when you're in your pleats please doing your art thing,

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Speaker 4: They actually someone had an art show in a shut

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Speaker 3: Sizzler is actual normal people dining, which they can like

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Speaker 4: Middle Yeah, they need like a junkie manning a grill

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Speaker 3: Completely. I think about this all the time, and it's

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Speaker 3: people ever, and it's boring people you've ever met.

441
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Speaker 4: I'm hyper aware of just yeah. I get hyper aware

442
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: of groups and how they operate, you know, like in

443
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: the sixth sense, I see dead people. Unfortunately, I see

444
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: systems everywhere.

445
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: You know, my well, whatever, I see systems. Wait, what

446
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: were you going to say, Well, my college major was

447
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 3: called symbolic systems.

448
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: Just got a dose dump from my estrogen pets.

449
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Speaker 1: But the thing, okay, maybe first of all, I want

450
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: to disclaim everything we've already said by saying, you know,

451
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: you're from the Midwest, so we're coming off a certain

452
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: way cowboy boots, but that's we're actually really amazing and

453
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: grounded and all of us are so different and unique.

454
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Speaker 1: But also but something happens in comedy too, though, where

455
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Speaker 1: there's sort of like a like at the beginning, of

456
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Speaker 1: course you're all so different and you're like, wow, I'm

457
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: in such like meeting people I would never meet, di'mon's faces.

458
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd be in. But then it shakes

459
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: out and then like someone who's like in art and comedy,

460
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: that does kind of like then there is like the

461
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Speaker 1: art neighborhood of comedy.

462
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's its own that's its own circle. And I

463
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 4: don't know if it's a good or bad part of

464
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: my personality that if I feel start to feel too

465
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: embedded or too much belonging, I'm like, I've got a

466
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: widen or I've got it.

467
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Speaker 3: You were speaking, that's why I will never be successful,

468
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: And it is it's like it's crazy. The way to

469
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Speaker 3: succeed is to double on the thing you are good

470
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 3: at or the thing that is working, and that is

471
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Speaker 3: the one thing I will never do.

472
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: No. But that's why I feel like, as long as

473
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 4: my personal and my private life is chugging along, I'm

474
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: sort of not like I love it all the time,

475
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I'm sort of okay with how this

476
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: operates because it's interesting. It's so interesting, and it's really

477
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 4: really wild, and I love the art world. I think

478
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: it's one of the last bastions of safety for hyper

479
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: educated nerds and also nightmare diarrhea people. And that's what's

480
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 4: fun about it. It's actually, weirdly one of the few

481
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 4: worlds that gets fed by so many other places. It

482
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: gets fed by subculture, it gets sped by academia, gets

483
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: sped by evil money, it gets fed by like activism,

484
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: and sometimes depending on the event, all of those people

485
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 4: are in the same room. And that is what's fun

486
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 4: about it. Comedy is the same, Yeah, with you, then

487
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: comedy there's your little thing. You know what I found

488
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: funny people talk about your comedy class like the people

489
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: you came up with. Yeah, And I've found that it's

490
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 4: true something that you're you're bonded with the people that

491
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: started around the same time you are in a way

492
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: that really does feel like siblings or like high school.

493
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Speaker 3: I just hate these.

494
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 4: People, but I would die for them. You know, there's

495
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: people that I don't want to be in the same

496
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 4: room with. I don't want to see at a mic.

497
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Speaker 4: I don't want to have to pretend. I don't want

498
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 4: to have to look at them and say great set.

499
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: But if they called me and they needed something, I'm

500
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: like I would. Yeah, I would die for them. I

501
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: would drive cross town for them.

502
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: Well, they'll be posting Instagram stories and meaning something. I

503
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: can tell you that much.

504
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't want it.

505
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: I don't want to. There's too much mutual aid in

506
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: the Instagram stories. I need direct I need text message,

507
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: text me, text me and ask me for money. I'll

508
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: do it. If I have it, I'll do it.

509
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: The ethics around asking for money are so fascinating.

510
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: No, it is weird. It's only getting weirder.

511
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 4: Well, asking for money is a very I think that's

512
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: what's difficult. Systemically. Asking for money is a straight woman culture.

513
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: I do it all the time.

514
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

515
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: Right now, Well, the idea of please donate, is there's

516
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: something so tragic about it.

517
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say that because I feel like

518
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: maybe this is a working class back I'm always like,

519
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: no matter what happens, like I could always be there.

520
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not, of course, let me let me rephrase. Yeah,

521
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: I'm not saying look at that flop person who needs money.

522
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying the I'm saying it is very male to

523
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: be embedded within systems where you somehow are able to

524
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: get money, and very female to trust that there are

525
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: kind people out there that can help. I guess that's

526
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: that's sort of like the very very very gender essentialist

527
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: point I am making, ironically.

528
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: Which is which is ironic too, because if we're talking

529
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Speaker 4: about Youngian principle, which was one of my straight topics. Yes,

530
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 4: the part of why it's very straight, even though people

531
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: would say it's not, is it's really all about talking

532
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: about feminine and masculine Yes, yes, which they say, are

533
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 4: you know, to be a whole for every person, no

534
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: matter their gender or sexuality, has feminine and masculine principles

535
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: and that.

536
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: You know, and Freud too, it's like Freud obviously like okay,

537
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 3: you think of someone being into Freuda and psychoanalysis, they're

538
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: obviously pansexual, but the whole, the whole groundwork of it

539
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: is like the mother and the father.

540
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: Right and young would say, those are those are metaphors,

541
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: those are sharp. These are just metaphors and images as

542
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 4: ways to talking about certain qualities. But yeah, the feminine

543
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 4: archetype is always uh characterized by nurturing and giving and

544
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: then that that has somehow got bastardized into please donate.

545
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am totally I keep wating to ask you

546
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: this question, and I was trying to engage with why

547
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this question, and I was like, oh,

548
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: so the question I was on to ask is like,

549
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you grew up in LA. Why do you not have

550
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: a desire to like be like fuck this town, I'm

551
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: out of here. And then I was like, oh, because

552
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: you're rejecting religion and I'm rejecting my location, like I'm

553
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: rejecting hometowns.

554
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're rejecting religion.

555
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: And I think everything people say about Los Angeles is

556
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: correct in terms of its groundlessness and it's lack of stability,

557
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: but that has been but having come up here, I

558
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 4: just don't really value stability in the same way. And

559
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: I've come to accept that things are uneven, things are

560
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: always in flux, things are and that way. You know,

561
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: the urban landscape of Los Angeles actually has is more

562
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: in tune with the cycles of nature in terms of

563
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: regeneration and decay. We're definitely in a period of decay.

564
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 4: You know, twenty years ago, half of these storefronts weren't shuttered.

565
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: I would say that that's a California wide thing. I

566
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: mean I used to.

567
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: I used to think about it nowhere in the desert, right,

568
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, nothing is supposed to happen here.

569
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: I think about this with San Francisco that it's just

570
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: like it inherently its history is booms and busts, like

571
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: from the gold Rush. And it's like there is this

572
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: there are these cycles to California culture that are not

573
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: the same. Like when you think about not only in

574
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: New York, but like the northeast New England, there's such

575
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: a stability there.

576
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like I feel like New York is like sedimentary

577
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: layers where nothing gets raised and rebuilt, just everything gets compassed. Yes,

578
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: and the whole city is going to turn into.

579
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: Oil whistle fuels.

580
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's also uh once I started

581
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: getting into clown and then.

582
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: I, yeah, we're going to talk about it.

583
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: I studied Comedia del arte when I went to Golier,

584
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: and then I read this book. I'm in the middle

585
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: of reading this book, which is about sort of comedia principles.

586
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 3: And wait, let's serve for a segment, and then we

587
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: need to like really dig into this.

588
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, okay.

589
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Our first thing is called straight shooters, and in this segment,

590
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna ask you a series of graptifier questions, basically

591
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: this thing or this other thing. And the only rule

592
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: is you can't ask any follow up questions or we'll

593
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: get so upset.

594
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: So I just have to say which one is a question?

595
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: Question? So first, is dressing on the side or addressing

596
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: a crowded pride?

597
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: Fart, What's what's happening here?

598
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: Dressing on the side or addressing a crowded pride, dressing

599
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: on the side.

600
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: Lost and found or gagged and bound?

601
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: Gagged and bound, dining at Beni Hannah or shining like

602
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: you're Rihanna.

603
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: Dining at Beni Hannah.

604
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: It's raining men or stop shaming them.

605
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: Stop shaming them, ASMR or dude where's my car?

606
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: Asmr Living your best life or leaving your worst wife?

607
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: Living your best life weighted blanket, baited breath or gated

608
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: community baited breath.

609
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: The winner takes it all? Or for dinner. I'm thinking

610
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: something small for dinner.

611
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: I'm thinking something small.

612
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Wow, you found your clown.

613
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: You found your clown first, you were thinking tell me first,

614
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: you were thinking first, we.

615
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: Will tell you. I can tell your clown, and only

616
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: when we tell you will you have found it.

617
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: Actually, that is true the audio, only the audience can

618
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: tell you when you're see.

619
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: We know what we're talking about. We've read the books.

620
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: I think that you did a really good job of

621
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: overriding your instinct to intellectualize and just going with the flow,

622
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: and you got into a rhythm. And I thought it

623
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: was a really good performance.

624
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would you give it?

625
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: We rate our guests on a scale of zero to

626
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: one thousand doves, and I would I think it's a

627
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: very good I think it's like in the high eight hundreds.

628
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: I would say eight eighty eight, eight eighty eight.

629
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: That's a very good grade.

630
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: That's a really good grade.

631
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: It's a B plus B plus.

632
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: If you're thinking in that way.

633
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: But even to think that way. Of course, it's so

634
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: retrograde and bourgeois was grades. So it's kind of, you know,

635
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: because you were homeschool, it's fun to think the whole

636
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: time where the grades sort of like Jesus approves or

637
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: you're going to hell. Yeah, you got a hell point

638
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: kind of a past fail.

639
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: Got half and half, which is really great. So I

640
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: was homeschool until the age of twelve. I entered school

641
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: for the first time ever a sixth grade. I skipped

642
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: the eighth grade and then went to high school. So

643
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: it was kind of like, yeah, sixth grades, homeschool, sixth

644
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: grades public school. Yeah. And also I was quite popular

645
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 4: in high school and I had a nice time, and

646
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 4: I think it was still a waste of time.

647
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what do you mean waste? Yeah, exactly, Like

648
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: what would you have rather been doing. I would have

649
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: betting committee to Arte.

650
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: I would have rather have tested out early and just

651
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: started community college and done literally anything else. I was

652
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: going to. Both of my brothers, who were older and

653
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: had even less experience in school, one of them just

654
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: ended up, you know, you can take the GED test,

655
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: so he left. He was only in school maybe for

656
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: a couple of years. And he was like, I don't whatever,

657
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: and my junior year I wanted to do that. It

658
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 4: had three years. Three years of high school is en

659
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: f and I wanted to just I just wasn't compelling

660
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: to me.

661
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: I find this and my mother made me.

662
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: Uh, but I was elected to student government and so

663
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: my mom wanted me to finish as a sort of

664
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: exercise in following through all my responsibilities.

665
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: This is very like city kid being like, I'm just

666
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: gonna leave.

667
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: High school completely because it's like that.

668
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: I left junior high. I just was like, I want

669
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: to skip the eighth grade and the part you just

670
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: call them and tell them it's what you want to do.

671
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: The see, we didn't. I didn't know. I thought going

672
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: to school was like you're you.

673
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: Have like you know, you would be put in prison

674
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: if you didn't go well if I if?

675
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: I yeah. I still am sort of like, but what

676
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: do you mean?

677
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: When I hear about someone who's not in school, I'm like,

678
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: but how do they go to school?

679
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: Sam? It's just a system. It's literally called the school system.

680
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: We made it up, I know, but but this is

681
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: like eat. It's like when someone's like something is a

682
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: social contract. It's like I know as I was saying

683
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: something that makes.

684
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: Me so angry about like, I get I'm old and

685
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: uncool or whatever, but when people are genuinely afraid of teenagers.

686
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: Totally, oh, I kisses me off time.

687
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: You know we invented those, right.

688
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: I just find any sort of age based discrimination to

689
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: be the most boring possible thing. I'm like, do you

690
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: not understand that we all have been young and hopefully

691
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: knock on the wood will get old, Like yeah, just

692
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: embrace it. Like if you can't be at one with

693
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: the oneness of that, then how are you going to

694
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: relate to someone that's actually different than you or like any.

695
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Same time like you can because you've been young, you know,

696
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: like oh when I was twenty three, I was insane

697
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: in this capacity and that I like.

698
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: That kind of answer always wins anyway. I mean, they

699
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: always will default something about like you don't get it,

700
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: or you're ugly, or you're fat, which.

701
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: Is hey, no, I get those don't call on fat,

702
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: but I'm when but you will.

703
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: You don't know what it's like being me. I have

704
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: known what it's like being you, and it wouldn't be

705
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: you couldn't. It wasn't great. I mean, what do you

706
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: They're beautiful, teenagers are beautiful and insane and special in

707
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: their own way. But I'm like, how can you feel?

708
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: And these people are wandering around with like big cups

709
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 4: of water, just like begging to be loved, Like why

710
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: are you.

711
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: To you?

712
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

713
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: They just like water, teenagers do?

714
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: I think.

715
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: Someone now and then teenagers are are capable of pathologizing

716
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: water into some sort of arbitrary widget of social.

717
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 4: Distinction, you know what I mean. And they all look

718
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: the same. This is what I noticed. I've traveled the

719
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: world over the past five or six years, like, oh,

720
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: teenagers look the same everywhere.

721
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: Well, this is unfortunately, and so do we though that's okay,

722
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: thirty somethings look the same, I would argue everywhere you.

723
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: Think I'm thirty something, you think they look the same

724
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: everywhere I do. In major cities they look the same. Yeah. Yeah,

725
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 4: it's always jeans and like a because there's few, there's

726
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: always wild cards. And I love I love a truly

727
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: nerdy or eccentric teenager. But generally it's about sort of

728
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: talk about a system. The system of adolescent friend groups is,

729
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: you know, maintaining a degree of distinction within a very

730
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: codified set of esthetics signifiers, which is like this tank

731
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: top that fits this way, and this specific sneaker and

732
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 4: the specific gene. But since I was in high school

733
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 4: over twenty years ago, it's been always just variations on

734
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: a gene and.

735
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: A sneaker and a T shirt completely.

736
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: And then once in a while, there's like a girl

737
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 4: who shows up to school in a bowl cut and

738
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 4: like a vintage dress, and it's like, I'm sure she's

739
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 4: a bit out of the whole thing, and I'm always

740
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: rooting for her.

741
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: What haircut did you roll up to sixth grade with?

742
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: I had a pixie cut. I had like short hair,

743
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: and I I had to start wearing makeup when I

744
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 4: wanted to cut my hair.

745
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: Short because you looked like two kick ass kick ass.

746
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: Probably my parents are worried about me looking like a boy. Sure, sure, yeah,

747
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: I had pixie cut for about a decade. It took

748
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: a long time to get back here.

749
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about gender.

750
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Talk about gender. Do we want to talk about your

751
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: clowning experience?

752
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: What I want to talk about your clowning experience? And

753
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: then I of course want to get into your list

754
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: of straight topics. Okay, there's a lot we have to

755
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: get into. Okay, So okay, just for the for everyone

756
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: listening we're talking, don't look at your watch. What the

757
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: hell did you watch? Just say the time in a

758
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: clown voice.

759
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: It's Mini Mouse, who will tell me the time? I

760
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 4: tap on the watch?

761
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: Wow, By the way, please please an Apple Watch. I

762
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: feel like it's very art world.

763
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: That's genius.

764
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 4: You know why I got the Apple Watch. My boyfriend

765
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: got it for me just so I could record myself

766
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: on stage without having a.

767
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: That's it.

768
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: The voice memo function here is actually pretty good, and

769
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: it looks a lot cleaner to not walk up there

770
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 4: with the phone.

771
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: No, completely, Yeah, that's actually a good idea.

772
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: That's genius.

773
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 4: You should be using if you have ever had an

774
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: Apple Watch, which I see you don't, you should be

775
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: using it to record your sets.

776
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: No, that's a really good Now I'm like, I'm going

777
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 3: to buy one. So the timeline is you were evangelical Angelino, homeschooled,

778
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: public school major, way to college art critic. Then you

779
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: were like, Okay, I've conquered the art world, but what

780
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to do is a stand up comedy.

781
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: So you started comedy.

782
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what it was like. At the

783
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: top of my game. I think I had got like

784
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: a I was working at a gallery. I got hired

785
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: at this gallery just because they liked my art writing.

786
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: Ye I was, I don't think, no matter what, I

787
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: was not quite equipped to be a commercial gallery director.

788
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: And I could always tell the reason why I like

789
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 4: New York because I can always tell kind of I

790
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: get engaged for where my career is at based on

791
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: like how I'm treated in New York. We feel that

792
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: with his I went to you know, so when I

793
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 4: worked for this gallery, I was, you know, going to

794
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: the art fairs, being put up in hotels, had company car,

795
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: taking taxis everywhere, and I will never get coming home.

796
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: And this is part that I'll talk about. Before any

797
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: of that, I was doing improv. I was like, I

798
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: was that person with a normal job who was like

799
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: doing improv once a week to like blow off steam.

800
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: And frankly, the only reason I started doing stand up

801
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: is because it was less costly and less of a commitment. Yeah,

802
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: I could not commit to improv, even though at that

803
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 4: point I was just telling myself it was a hobby.

804
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one can ever fully commit to them well.

805
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: I remember coming home from being in New York for

806
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: Armory Week. I have my suitcase full of Zara and

807
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: I just started I was no shit. You know, at

808
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: this collector's house with these artists, I'm like, I'm basically

809
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 4: getting paid to party. People are doing cocaine, there's pete,

810
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: there's wonderful conversation. Again, it was like watching Kenneth Anger

811
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: play the Theremi and I'm like, something about this is

812
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: supposed to be ideal, and I don't feel like.

813
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: Yes, my life.

814
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: And I started crying and I was like, oh my god,

815
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to cry again.

816
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It was the Petain cocaine cocaine baby.

817
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: And I started crying. And my boyfriend was like, what

818
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 4: is wrong? And I was like, I don't feel like

819
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm living my life. He's like, what do you want

820
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: to do? I said, I think I want to do comedy.

821
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, now past the coke.

822
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 4: And he goes, okay. You know I wasn't. I wasn't

823
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: living a life where I had where I was like professional.

824
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 4: There was like a subtle professional social expectation to like

825
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: do cocaine. I don't know if you've ever been in

826
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 4: position to do cocaine just out of politeness. But that's

827
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: part of what being a gallery director is. I'm full

828
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: blown weeping on this podcast.

829
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean.

830
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 3: Confused, and now we're back to clowning.

831
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: This is that?

832
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: So I want to know. We want to know that

833
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 3: after you did stand up, then you did get into clown. Yeah.

834
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: I said, this is where it's not fun. I got

835
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: doing stand up and for a few years, and then

836
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: I remember a very specific moment. I was did stand

837
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: up show at Lyric Hyperion and Phil Bergers, who was

838
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: a clown that came from Goier and all that stuff,

839
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: he came up to me. I didn't know that he

840
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 4: was associated with the theater. He was friends with the owner.

841
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: He came up to me outside and he's like, hey,

842
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: you've got the clown in you. Like, I think you

843
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: should take my class.

844
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: You're like, what did you say to me?

845
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: I thought he was just a homeless guy who hung

846
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: out at the theater. But then I started taking clown

847
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: and at that point ten years ago, people like, how

848
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: are you mixing clown and stand up? Like ten years ago,

849
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: there was no clown scene. There were several clown schools

850
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: that have been in LA for a very long time.

851
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: But if you wanted to get on stage with that shit,

852
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: you had to just say you're a stand up and

853
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: then do People would ask like how are you getting

854
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: on People in the class were like, how are you

855
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 4: getting on shows? And I'm like, it's because I'm a

856
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: stand up. That's what I really held on to for

857
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: a long time. I was like, I this is just

858
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: some sort of thing to like loosen me up or

859
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: open my lens. Now I'm clearly too open because I

860
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: cried thinking about them.

861
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: But it's nice.

862
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: That's that's unfortunately also your clown. Sometimes I would never

863
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: do that on stage. I can show you that part

864
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: of my class, So you are.

865
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 5: I have so many follow up questions please and uh

866
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: So then it just kind of became mixed because I

867
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 5: was at the time working on stand up a lot

868
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: and getting a.

869
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: Lot of shows. But then I was taking these classes

870
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: where I'm learning all this fun stuff, and then it

871
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 4: just became more practical, like like how do you mix

872
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: Someone actually called me, They're like, I want to pick

873
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: your brain about how you mix stand up in clown.

874
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: I said, well, you know, we work on these bits

875
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: in class that are like two or three minutes. But

876
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: if I have to do a ten minute set, then

877
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 4: I'll just tell jokes after that. And this is where

878
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 4: this is Hollywood magic. This is where it all came together.

879
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: I got my first writing job by like doing a

880
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: clown bit at a stand up show. I was, you know,

881
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: those nights were like you don't want to do stand up? Yes,

882
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: you're like, I hate this. So the nice thing about

883
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: clown is the principle is also that like you just

884
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: have to have fun, Like you can only really win

885
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 4: if like you're having good time where you think about

886
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 4: what you really want. And I was just having one

887
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 4: of those days where I'm like this, I hate my material,

888
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: I don't like stand up. I'm bored with my own ideas.

889
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: When I was going to do a bar show in

890
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: downtown and I was like, what do I want? I

891
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: was in Target, which is also a straight woman thing

892
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: to sort of, oh, do retail therapy at Target, and

893
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 4: I was like, what do I want want to night?

894
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: And I ended up just doing this bit where I

895
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: like tape shrimp to my face and I sing a

896
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: song and I get someone to whatever eat ate them

897
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: off my face. And Eric Andre happened to be dropping

898
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: in that nay, and you know when the you know,

899
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: when they do the drop ins, they just they're in

900
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: and out right, there's no time. Yeah, but he came in.

901
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: He came in right as I went on stage, so

902
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 4: he had to see my set, and then he was

903
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: on right after me, and on the way out he

904
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: just goes, hey, good shit, and I said thanks, And

905
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: then like a few months later, got the call like, hey,

906
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: do you want to be in the room for Eric

907
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: Andre Show. So when people say clown goes nowhere, you

908
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: tell them, you tell me they can get you a

909
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 4: freelance consulting job on the Eric Andre Show.

910
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you tell them that you can work at the

911
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: Eric Andre Show. End of list.

912
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: I think it's over now, but you could have.

913
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: You could have at.

914
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I was telling George, I'm sometimes I'm like, it's a

915
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: good thing I didn't know about clown when I was twenty.

916
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: Four, or else I would would have become your whole life.

917
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: I would have lost my whole life.

918
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: It's very smart. I mean, I didn't start doing comedy

919
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 4: stand up till I was thirty one, so I think it's.

920
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: But I think correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe

921
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm projecting onto you. But I was telling Sam that

922
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: I feel like or someone like you and potentially for

923
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: someone like me, like the appeal of it would be

924
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: like our instinct is to overthink everything and to over

925
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: intellectualize everything, and the clown thing is like letting go

926
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: of that and being in your body. Is that like

927
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: generally correct?

928
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah? And I think it was very

929
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: helpful to bring that back into stand up and even

930
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: in Sue no joke, even to art writing, because when

931
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: I started doing stand up, maybe you felt this way

932
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 4: because we're intellectual. I was like I had this chip

933
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: on my shoulder a little bit, or I had this

934
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: intention of being a smart stand up or a clever

935
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: stand up. I mean that was talk about a ego

936
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: death just completely well the first fully like two years

937
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: of stand up just being clever to crickets.

938
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 3: And and for no, that's not authentic and the least

939
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: like you're critiquing something that isn't even there, like.

940
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then so I think part of part of

941
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: Clown two what they do is like finding finding what

942
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: makes you funny with no but without ego, without expectations,

943
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 4: without control, rather than I'm going to be this, you know,

944
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 4: sometimes stand up can be like, I'm going to be

945
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 4: this type of commune and to be this type of

946
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: stand up clown is you know, we're actually going to

947
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: figure out what makes you funny, and it's maybe not

948
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: what you thought of yourself, which is why people think

949
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 4: of it as sort of an ego smashing thing. As

950
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 4: it turns out, I'm dumb.

951
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: All along as someone who sees systems. How does it

952
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: feel like that clown is like trending?

953
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 4: Ooh so, I think like any magical art form, there's

954
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: the art when there's a system in which it operates,

955
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: which is fundamentally compromised. When I was doing improv, I

956
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: love the art form. It's actually it's quite fun and

957
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 4: it's really magical.

958
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: System.

959
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't like the system. I love the form,

960
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: hate the system that's big. And with the art world,

961
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: I felt the same way that there's uh, you know,

962
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 4: there's art everywhere pretty much, and that I was very

963
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: aware that as a critic, I'm like, oh, I'm operating

964
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: in a system. Not to be cynical, but like the

965
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: stuff that I'm not allowed to look at, the stuff

966
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 4: that I'm expected to look at comes from a very

967
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: specific system. Bless you you know, generally begins and like

968
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: that generally begins in art schools or MFA programs and

969
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: gets like fed through a gallery system, and that hopefully

970
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: gets or through institutions, and then once in a while

971
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 4: they throw in the wild card, you know, outsider artist

972
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 4: or autodidact to keep it spicy, which.

973
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: Only serves the exception to pay exactly, it like only

974
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: serves to reify the system itself, because it's like, look,

975
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: the system is so amazing. We can even welcome in

976
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: one outsider every five years.

977
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: And so clown I think as a psychological spiritual discipline,

978
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: as just sort of a discipline disposition in general, which

979
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 4: I think any type of performance can be done through

980
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: the lens of clown. But as a system, I mean,

981
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 4: it's a system of fringe festivals that have a specific

982
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: type of one person show that you pay a lot

983
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: of money to participate in. I tried to explain this

984
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 4: to people in the art world because I did Edinburgh

985
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 4: last year and they're like, what's it like, And I said,

986
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: a fringe festival is kind of like an art fair

987
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: that you have to apply to get in, but you

988
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: still have to pay to participate, and then you just

989
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: cross your fingers and hope you make up your you're.

990
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: The one person, and that is a breakout.

991
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: And that there's different festivals have different degrees of pedigree

992
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 4: or prestigiousness. Even though we all kind of no it's

993
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: pay to play, there's a little bit of the k

994
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 4: fabe of prestige that involves that's involved with participating in

995
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: festivals and fairs. I mean, it's something I'm aware of

996
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 4: and I will I can do willingly. But it also

997
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: blows my mind when people are fully like drinking the

998
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: kool aid. Yes, I need to be validated by this institution,

999
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 4: by this show, by this anything.

1000
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: One thing I found that is like scary to me

1001
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: about the clown world is I do feel like there

1002
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: are like it's a gurus are.

1003
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 5: Back, Like gurus are back baby in a way, and

1004
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: I had it's always like every time there's a guru,

1005
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: like ten years later, it's like, WHOA, what were we thinking?

1006
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: And so it's crazy that gurus are back.

1007
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: I will say, And I don't. I do want to

1008
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: move on to straight topics. But and I but as

1009
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: an outsider to this world, despite the fact that many

1010
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: people I know are involved in people I respect and

1011
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: people I think are cool and like I enjoyed. I'm

1012
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: sure the community has various thoughts about the New York

1013
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: Magazine article, but I enjoyed it as an out just

1014
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: to like read about it as something that has existed

1015
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: in LA during the time that I've been doing something

1016
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: completely different in New York. But the guru thing is

1017
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: what's alienating about it to me.

1018
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot that really speaks to me about it,

1019
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: and then the guru thing is.

1020
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: What I also think the guru thing happens everywhere.

1021
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess.

1022
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: I think the thing.

1023
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 2: I was taking definitely had.

1024
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: I mean I was taking dance classes for a long time,

1025
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: and certain dance I would feel the guruness of certain

1026
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 4: dance teachers and that I was not drinking the kool aid.

1027
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: So I and well, there's almost something in a positive

1028
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: way about stand ups that where they're like genuinely so

1029
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: selfish that they don't even want to be gurus.

1030
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Like they're like, if they're worshiped, they're like, well, then

1031
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: I'll go sell out a stadium. Yeah, they don't want

1032
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: to like then run a school where they like.

1033
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: Don't want to be worshiped by the audience, not by

1034
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: other comics they don't want.

1035
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: To like exactly icky gross.

1036
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 3: But I also even the idea of a comedy lineup,

1037
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: it's so non hierarchical ultimately, like, even if one person

1038
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: on the lineup is literally John mulaney, at the end

1039
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: of the day, you're going there and you're gonna see

1040
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: seven people do ten minutes each.

1041
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: Well, they're judging when people talk about, oh, the punching

1042
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: down or punching up or these like people they're talking

1043
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: about comics with really big podcast followings. But what I

1044
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 4: really like about the form and even the system of

1045
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 4: stand up, as fucked up as it is, as I'm like, yeah,

1046
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 4: I trust me, I do a lot, and stand up

1047
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 4: is one of the few art forms where I'm going

1048
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: to be in the room participating with people who have

1049
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: different points of view, different styles, different worldviews, different clothes.

1050
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 4: You know. It's it's I feel like it's not cool

1051
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: to say anything I really like stand up.

1052
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: No, I think that's and I actually think there's something

1053
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: about finding stand up gotten this is. I know we

1054
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: are going to move on from this, but there's something

1055
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: about finding stand up for I guess people with generally speaking,

1056
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: our personality type where you're like, oh, I this is

1057
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: what I have been looking for. M It's the It

1058
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: is the perfect level of organized self expression. It's like

1059
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: the right level of freedom to do what you want

1060
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 3: to do. But also you feel like there's a safety

1061
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: net that you can follow if your set is going

1062
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: to be over and that even if you're absolutely bombing,

1063
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: you leave stage and you're safe and then you get

1064
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: to do it again the next day whatever. And so

1065
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I almost in a weird way, think

1066
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: this is the forum I was meant to do. And

1067
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: then anything else I'm suspicious of, whether it's UCB, improv,

1068
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: whether it's clown, whether it's honestly even like more like

1069
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: Hollywood stuff like writers rooms and act like everything else.

1070
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are we messing with this system? Like

1071
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: it should be that every night I go to a

1072
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: lineup and I practice my set, and like that should

1073
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: be my career.

1074
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: I think there's a there's a there's this tension of vulnerability.

1075
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 4: I think the stand up world or whatever I'm in

1076
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: there feels a bit more even keeled because at the

1077
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 4: end of the day, we're all watching each other work.

1078
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it's almost like this mutually assured transparency. Like it's

1079
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: just crazy transparency. Where you are watching people work on

1080
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: something from beginning to end, it's like you can.

1081
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: You can be smug because you're like, oh, I saw

1082
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: that guy bomb last week, but you know, like three

1083
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 4: months from now he may have been working that and

1084
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: now it's like, well now it's killing in this other place.

1085
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 4: And we all know, right, yeah, we all You know

1086
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: the amount of people who've seen me bomb as a

1087
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: comic someone the nicest thing is anyone ever said to me?

1088
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: Once another comic said, after I bombed so hard, it

1089
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 4: wasn't anyone else's fault. They really were on my side.

1090
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: It just fucked up.

1091
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens.

1092
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: Afterward they were like, well, I'm just glad to know

1093
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: what happens to you. That isn't nice thing.

1094
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 2: Okay, we have to move on from comedy talks.

1095
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: To any listener who gets annoyed us with comedy talk,

1096
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: we are sorry.

1097
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry, I'm I apologize.

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00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: Do you not talk about comedy a lot on the shoe, Well, that's.

1099
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 3: The thing we do.

1100
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: We do, and it's like annoying because we're on the

1101
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: one hand, sometimes it's really fun to talk about it

1102
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: for us. But sometimes I don't think it's as fun

1103
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: to listen to.

1104
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: No, But I think some people do like the insight

1105
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: I they trust me.

1106
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: People there wouldn't be a big market for exactly. My

1107
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: boyfriend that I had, that I was with for eight

1108
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: years before starting comedy, this was weird. He was a

1109
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: huge comedy podcast fan. He would never watch live comedy.

1110
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: I think people like don't know live comedy exists.

1111
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 4: He was only into listening to comedians talk about comedy.

1112
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, people really enjoy Well, this is how this is.

1113
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: This is how like I get into these cycles of

1114
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: watching interviews with actresses about movies I have no desire

1115
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: to see, and it's like, what are you doing? The

1116
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: art is like why am I watching an interview with Charlie.

1117
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 4: Thing about working with Marty is that he really has.

1118
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: He really has.

1119
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 6: It's sort of he's looking at you, but he's also

1120
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 6: looking at everything else at the same time, and I

1121
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 6: find that I find that that kind of divided attention,

1122
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 6: you know.

1123
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 4: Because I want to be seen, but I also don't

1124
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 4: want to be perceived. And that is where he gives

1125
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: me a vessel where I can do both of those

1126
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 4: things at the same time, and I and I really

1127
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: just had and I really and I and I and

1128
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: I and I just and I just have to trust,

1129
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 4: trust my instrument and trust my technique or what he

1130
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: drives you to is to that trust. And then right

1131
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 4: when the cameras roll, let it go.

1132
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, while you're promoting inside out to.

1133
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: Which I was in Mexico when that came out, and

1134
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: it was called in sentimental cemente sentimente.

1135
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: Okay, what is your straight topic and slash? What were

1136
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: your street topics?

1137
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 4: I mean we touched a little bit on young and

1138
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: stuff because I think analysis is very straight, not therapy.

1139
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: Analys Therapy is queer analysis does Orn.

1140
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: Is definitely trained in a Freudian tradition from what I understand.

1141
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: Can you tell I'm worried about like getting us on

1142
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: a tangent? But Young and Freud rivalry.

1143
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: Eventually Young Young well it's perfect. Young was a student

1144
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 4: of Freuda and then they became rival I.

1145
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: Believe, and that's like Socrates and Plato.

1146
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1147
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: Yes, the Kronenberg movie A Dangerous Method, isn't that like about?

1148
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: Have you seen it?

1149
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: No?

1150
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: I haven't either, but you know what I have watched

1151
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: an interview with Kiera Knightley talking about making it. But

1152
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: I think that is about young and Freud, and one

1153
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: of them is Michael Fassbender, and.

1154
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 4: One of them is the most important straight topic though,

1155
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: because i've been it's been, I've been very embedded in

1156
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 4: it for a minute. Is tennis tennis, which you just

1157
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 4: finishedly disagreed with me.

1158
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: This is.

1159
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I said, I literally said, you are wrong. I

1160
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: said those words to you, to you, uh, to my face,

1161
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: to your face. I'm a visitor to your city. You

1162
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: grew up here, I came here. I said, shut the

1163
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: hell up. But then you convinced me immediately, And it's

1164
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: like I've never seen something more clearly because I was

1165
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: actually I was coming at it from a male male

1166
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: center at standpoint, because I was saying, actually, tennis is

1167
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: for gay guys, and you were saying, think about it

1168
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: from a woman's perspective, for a woman, it is the

1169
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: straightest sport.

1170
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 4: It is the straightest sport. You're it's very Uh, it's

1171
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: the pick me sport, you know. To be honest, I'm

1172
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 4: not a great team player. Yes, I've been kicked off

1173
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: my improv team. Uh. I tried. I did the pot

1174
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: pourri of sports when I was a child, like soccer, baseball, tennis.

1175
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: You know, I had two older brothers and we all

1176
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 4: kind of had to do everything, and I was not

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: I didn't think I was an athletic child, or I

1178
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 4: didn't think I liked sports. And then we started doing

1179
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: tennis lessons and I was like, oh, you mean I

1180
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 4: don't have a team, and I get to wear a dress.

1181
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: Literally, you can slay, you can serve every time.

1182
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: And I only took lessons for a tiny bit when

1183
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: I was a child, and I just picked it up

1184
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: seriously a couple of years ago. But it's and I

1185
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: went to the French Open last year and I've done

1186
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: some amateur tournaments. There's something very like Georgian London high

1187
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: society ball, which some sociologists have said that the whole

1188
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 4: purpose of like ball dancing or ballroom culture, not the

1189
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: cool kind of New York the old one is. It

1190
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 4: was it was a systematized way. It was a ritualized

1191
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: way of allowing men to touch other women's wives. So

1192
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: it was like a safety valve, oh my god, for

1193
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: sort of reinforcing the new nuclear family unit. And I

1194
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: almost feel tennis is the same way, but it's even

1195
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 4: more desexualized because it's a lot of like the women

1196
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 4: grunting and women's sweating and like mixings is kind of

1197
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: hot because you're battling each other, but you're also like

1198
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 4: one hundred feet apart. And even the yeah, and even

1199
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 4: the amateur tournaments that I've been to, there's a lot

1200
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: of just girlfriends who are tennis kidded out. They have

1201
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: the whole affict, but they're not playing. They're there to

1202
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 4: just get their boyfriend cups of water. They're there to

1203
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: get their usta three point zero boyfriend cups of water

1204
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: and like massage his shoulders and stuff. The discourse is

1205
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: very old time. You've very like Jane Austen if. I

1206
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: don't know if you've watched seen the comments around the

1207
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: French Open right now, but I mean before Osaka played Sabolenka,

1208
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 4: people were like, oh my, you know the one with

1209
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: the sequence playing, the one with the diamonds. You can't wait. Yeah,

1210
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 4: the discourse over what uh, it's not like figure skating, right,

1211
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: which is sparkly costumes, but like figure skating is very

1212
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: gay right in the camp it's solo. It's sparkly costumes,

1213
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: and I'm like, why is that gay? And this is

1214
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: straight because I think there's this undercurrent when we talk

1215
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 4: about out women's clothing in tennis, there's undercurrent of appropriateness, like.

1216
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: A lot of Yeah, when Serena wore the cat suit,

1217
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: it's like, what the hell is she doing because she's some.

1218
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: Sort of wily hate Sabolenka because they think it's inappropriate

1219
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 4: that she wears diamonds. Yeah, people think, you know, there's

1220
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 4: so many comments whenever Naomi comes out in her custom

1221
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 4: kits or like.

1222
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: Just like tennis, that's not a fashion show. And that's

1223
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 3: also the difference between I mean, even though obviously appropriateness

1224
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: is also emphasized in figure skating in like a more

1225
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: sort of like Russian strict way. But figure skating there's

1226
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: let the taste level is out of whack. Figure skating,

1227
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: you are able to like fully look like Liberaci, whereas

1228
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: in tennis it's it's essentially like all about quiet luxury.

1229
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: Like it's like to wear like a white that is.

1230
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 4: Getting dragged because her tennis dress looks like a figure.

1231
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: Skating Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.

1232
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, that's because there's a balance, like they have to

1233
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: wear a skirt but then it's also like but they

1234
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: have to be athletic, and it's this weird thing of like, well,

1235
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: the skirt is it's already decorative.

1236
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: Like we're being like we're having, you know, a choice.

1237
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 4: You feel something. It feels a little old timy because

1238
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 4: it's very comfortable, like you could just wear little shorts, right, yes,

1239
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: and it's almost like the skirt is there just for

1240
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 4: purposes of being appropriate.

1241
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's also just to state the complete obvious,

1242
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: like in the Western world, tennis comes in America and

1243
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: the UK tennis comes from like a sort of country

1244
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: club wasp environment. So like if we're talking about straight culture,

1245
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: like it comes from literally like wealthy people doing it

1246
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: as a hobby, you know, after having a spritz or

1247
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: a martini. Like it is it is inherently classist, racist

1248
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: and gendered and like the men wear like button down

1249
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: shirts and the women wear skirts and like that.

1250
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: Winter rolland Garros last year, it was that's what they

1251
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: gave me, the feeling them like, oh, I'm in a

1252
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: Jane Austin novel, the Peacocking.

1253
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: Yes.

1254
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: Sort of like the art world, there was sort of

1255
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 4: an implied hierarchy based on outfits based on do you

1256
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: have a box or are you one of the Groun's people.

1257
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 4: And I mean it was the fucking best, just grunting women, cigarettes, champagne,

1258
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 4: hot dogs all at once. Give me a break.

1259
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, and then the other I would just in

1260
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: terms of the women, because this is like it really

1261
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: is for women. But it's also think about stop think

1262
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: about the idea of women's sports in the straight world.

1263
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: It's like it's it's like women who play sports are

1264
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: quote unquote masculine or lesbians, or it's like that you're

1265
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: you're a tomboy or whatever. Tennis is the one sport

1266
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 3: that actually can exist within the male gaze. It's like

1267
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: you think of all the female athletes that become sort

1268
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: of like sports illustrated sex symbol. It's like Maria Sharaphova,

1269
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: Ana Chronikhova, you know, whereas it's not you know, the gymnasts,

1270
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: the basketball players, you are able to somehow maintain this

1271
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: kind of societally approved idea of femininity.

1272
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 4: Well, also it's very straight women culture because all the

1273
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 4: female athletes exist in that double bind of needing to

1274
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 4: cater to the male gaze, especially like lower ranked players

1275
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: got to do all the deals and the stuff to

1276
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: make money, but you're also when you do it too much,

1277
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 4: then it's like, hey, this isn't a fashion show. I

1278
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: have harbored a lot of animosity towards Sabolenka. And I

1279
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 4: have a friend who, just to be fun, will always

1280
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 4: DM me every time she posts like a bikini selfie

1281
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 4: or like one of these, and he dms me pictures

1282
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 4: of tennis players that he thinks are hot. Yeah, so

1283
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 4: this is what this is, like my this is my

1284
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 4: chat with my straight male friends who play tennis. Also

1285
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 4: male tennis players. When they're hot, they're always very hot

1286
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: in like a emotionally unavailable pitch deck type way.

1287
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: Literally, they are hot in a Brooklyn hipster way. It's crazy,

1288
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: like if you will get in a.

1289
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 4: Three text and never again.

1290
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: Like literally, if you look at Djokovic or Federi, you're like,

1291
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 3: these are not that's not what male athletes. What are

1292
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: you talking about?

1293
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: Taylor?

1294
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 4: Friends would ruin me. Yeah, after one, you know, he'd

1295
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 4: give me one pity date and then like texting for

1296
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: seven months and then I can't let it go.

1297
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you finally have sex and he can't

1298
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 3: card and then it's.

1299
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 4: Like I thought we really had something. And it's like, actually,

1300
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 4: and then he had a girlfriend the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1301
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 4: secret family.

1302
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: It is.

1303
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: You know, we as a culture fetishized, I love you

1304
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: the swimmers build, and I actually think we need to

1305
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: shift focus and fetishize the tennis build because that is

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: something that's actually sort of what we're all wanting.

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: Well, the men, the men have what's cool about at

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 4: least being an amateur tournament. There's all types of bodies

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 4: at that level. I mean people who are kicking ass

1310
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 4: that are like bigger, smaller, taller, shorter, But the men

1311
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 4: do tend to have a specific body type. And it's like,

1312
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: are these men Do these men have pilates bodies?

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01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: Yes?

1314
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1315
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 4: Are they just like toned dolphins?

1316
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: When people have more muscular bodies in tennis, they are

1317
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: seen with suspicion. And this happened with Nadal on the

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: men's side and Serena on the women's side, like they

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: have actually more just muscular friends. Yeah, and it's like,

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Speaker 3: why does she look like that? This is tennis, she

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: should look like.

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Speaker 4: Is that really?

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: Of course? Well, with Serena, it was also obviously tied

1324
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 3: to racism and sexism, but like even with an adult.

1325
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 3: It was like, Wow, he's a power player and you

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 3: look at him, obviously he's muscular, but like compared to

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Speaker 3: the average male athlete.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and sinner God bless him. You know. Well,

1329
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 4: we like his personality, Like is he number one right now? Technically?

1330
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you feeling al because you don't know?

1331
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 4: But I'm also like, Cinner maybe needs some muscles or something.

1332
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 4: He's just collapsing every time he's in the hot weather.

1333
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 4: I want him to take care of himself.

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: So in the in the way, what we're saying is

1335
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 3: that tennis is straight and that it is a.

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01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: Prison for women.

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 3: It's like the it's literally the average elier in New

1338
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: York couple, which is skinny guy randomly hot girl. You

1339
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like it's like skinny artist

1340
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: guy who's randomly dating a model. That's what the men

1341
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: and the women in tennis.

1342
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 4: Cos that's what me and my boyfriend are like. He's

1343
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 4: the one who got me into it. He's from the

1344
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: East Coast, kind of waspy. Do you play? And I

1345
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: was like I can. It turns out I can, you know.

1346
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: You know, I do like that it's a game it's

1347
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: so many sports aren't a game. So many sports, even

1348
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: when you're playing a game, it doesn't feel like a game.

1349
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: It's too too much.

1350
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 4: Well, it's a game, and then it's a point, and

1351
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 4: then it's a set, and then it's a match.

1352
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: Well that's a point that it's a game.

1353
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: Oh my god, cut it.

1354
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: Cut it.

1355
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: This tennis, it's like sometimes you can be like, is

1356
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: it a sport? It's also a game where.

1357
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: Oh you just because of the like back and it's

1358
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: like playing scrabble, You're like.

1359
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: I have a ball in a little Essentially, that's why we've.

1360
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 4: Made the scoring system so fucked up, because it's just

1361
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 4: a game.

1362
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: It's a game, you guys, Everybody chill out.

1363
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to go to the US Open,

1364
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: sadly it is eight hundred dollars.

1365
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: Really well, always find a way there though, makes some.

1366
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 4: Let's let's make some.

1367
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: Last year, as a joke, I did pay for my tickets,

1368
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 3: and as a joke, I said, you know, thank you

1369
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: at Fay a pashtag Faye partner, and then a lot

1370
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 3: of people believed it, and I was sort of hoping

1371
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: I could gaslight my gaslight Faya into actually inviting me.

1372
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: This year hasn't happened yet.

1373
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 4: You have to be careful, said, you are who you

1374
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 4: pretend to be.

1375
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for it. That's the goal, pretending to be partner.

1376
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean people, this is a common mistake in our community.

1377
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: Is people doing a fake spawn thing to be like

1378
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: ha haha, how crazy would it be if I was sponsored?

1379
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: And everyone's like that seems right?

1380
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: You have to be careful with it. I made a

1381
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 4: fake a twenty four trailer for Where's Waldo? The movie?

1382
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 4: And people thought it was real.

1383
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: Wait, they should make a Dark Way as well though.

1384
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: Now yeah, I mean he's running away from the law.

1385
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 4: He that's the it's the story, and I'm like, honestly,

1386
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: this is probably the Unfortunately, it's the best thing I've written,

1387
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 4: and I think I need to make this in movie.

1388
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 4: Should we talk about that book?

1389
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: Do you have any final thoughts on tennis as straight culture?

1390
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: Nah?

1391
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 4: Clip it and sorry? I got the scoring system? Oh

1392
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 4: someone you know why it's you know why the points

1393
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 4: go that way?

1394
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: Right?

1395
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 3: You know someone did explain it to me at some point.

1396
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 4: Well, so you start with the point games that match,

1397
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 4: So you start with the first point is fifteen, The

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 4: second point is thirty third, forty and then it's one point. Uh,

1399
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 4: And someone explained me that, oh, it's just it's it's

1400
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 4: like so watch face. That's why I love is called

1401
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 4: zero because it resets, so fifteen. It started out fifteen

1402
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 4: thirty forty five and then one point, and then players

1403
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 4: just didn't want to say forty five, so just said

1404
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 4: forty to shorten it. And then have you noticed now

1405
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 4: people who are really good and who play a lot,

1406
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you play, people just don't want

1407
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 4: to say syllables during the points, so it goes fifteen

1408
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 4: thirty forty and then point. People now say five, three,

1409
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 4: four and then point. So it's like if it's fifteen thirty,

1410
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: they'll say five three, even though even though you're down.

1411
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 3: Yes, even five sounds like more than three.

1412
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 4: But intact three is shorthand for a score actually down.

1413
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 4: And it's just because when you're in the middle of

1414
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 4: a match, you have no time for syllables. I've found

1415
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 4: there's a weird I don't know if there's a hierarchical thing,

1416
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 4: but there are certain players who say five three four

1417
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 4: instead of fifteen thirty forty.

1418
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: I love when things create more and more boundaries to

1419
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: make it harder for someone to enter.

1420
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 4: I think that's what and you know what the barrier

1421
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 4: to entry that makes tennis the most straight of all.

1422
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that goes back to the country club.

1423
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: Well that's everything.

1424
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever when I like first was in

1425
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: a writer's room and they're like, okay, today we're and

1426
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: then they'd like say a word that I've never heard of. Yeah,

1427
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: and it's like you just mean we're brainstorming, Like how

1428
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: about you just say the words that have existed forever?

1429
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: Yes, instead of making up your own new world.

1430
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 4: Was the class aspect of it. And this is where

1431
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 4: this is where Los Angeles is wonderful, or southern California.

1432
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 4: I didn't know that tennis was a hoity toity sport

1433
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 4: for a while because.

1434
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 3: We have so many courts.

1435
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so many. And then I've traveled and then

1436
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 4: I went to like Mexico and I'm like, oh, there's

1437
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 4: there's no public courts here, and the courts that you

1438
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 4: pay for are actually insanely expensive, even in American dollars,

1439
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 4: and everywhere it's it's I had.

1440
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 3: A similar experience where I, because of my specific age,

1441
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: the first players I really became aware of were the

1442
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 3: Williams sisters, who are not like from the class background

1443
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: that most tennis players are from. And then I had

1444
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: to then learn that they were the exception of the

1445
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 3: rule and understand that it was actually like a rich

1446
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 3: white sport. I was just like, oh, like, and I think.

1447
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 4: It's tied to I think they wouldn't have they came

1448
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 4: up here, and they wouldn't have done it anywhere else

1449
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 4: because here's where you have like a lot of I'm

1450
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 4: within five minute driving distance to at least three different

1451
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 4: parks that have public courts, and I'm like, you know everyone,

1452
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, tennis is a sport where you go

1453
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 4: to the park and you play, and maybe someone's probably

1454
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 4: roller skating or playing soccer on the next court over.

1455
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 4: And that's how it is.

1456
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: Speaking of making up words for things that already exist

1457
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 3: and having that be the barrier to entry, it brings

1458
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: us right back to the art world, because I feel

1459
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: like that's what the art world is best at is

1460
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 3: being like, this is a literally like an abstract painting

1461
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,919
Speaker 3: that's like half blue, half red, and then the plaque

1462
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 3: says like it interrogates modes of production in post capitalist

1463
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: Guatemala and you're like, I, I don't think that's true.

1464
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 4: It might you never know, but that's what people. People say,

1465
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 4: How did did clowning affect your writing? And I think

1466
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 4: it did, and that I sometimes when I'm tired, I'm

1467
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 4: when I'm tired, I'm totally down for some international art English.

1468
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 4: But what I'll it really made me feel like, okay,

1469
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 4: it made me see the system of art writing language.

1470
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 4: And sometimes I'm like, what am I actually trying to

1471
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 4: say in the simplest terms. I don't even think simplest terms.

1472
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 4: Sometimes I will try to rewrite something. I'm like, Okay,

1473
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to write this review and I'm not going

1474
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 4: to say anything that ends with ism and I'm going

1475
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 4: to use the shortest possible words in the shortest possible sentences,

1476
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 4: and like that in and of itself becomes fun. Sometimes

1477
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: things are complicated. Sometimes they do be interrogating preconceived notions

1478
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 4: of space and there's nothing we can do.

1479
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 3: But I agree, it's like, so save that phrase for

1480
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 3: when it's actually happening, and then it will actually have

1481
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 3: some impact.

1482
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 4: What if we never agree on when it's happening?

1483
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: But I do agree, but they're lying there's a boy

1484
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,919
Speaker 3: who cried wolf about this, Yes, exactly.

1485
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1486
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 4: If you keep perceiving, if you keep introgeating preconceived notions

1487
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,440
Speaker 4: and you keep crying interrogating preconceived notions, when then preconceived

1488
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: notion is actually being interrogated.

1489
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: I won't believe you.

1490
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, because no one spoke for me.

1491
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: No one spoke for me when my being interrogated. And

1492
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: it's the same with everything. It's the same with book blurbs,

1493
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: where every single book. One of my biggest pet peeves

1494
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 3: is when a book blurb says something is laugh out loud, funny, oh,

1495
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: very rarely, No, it isn't.

1496
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: Well and not to be a bitch, but show me

1497
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: footage of you laughing. Same for stand up comedy. When

1498
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: someone has something coming out they say they're the funniest

1499
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: community on earth, and I'm like, well, if everyone's the funniest.

1500
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I someone I respect. There's an author. I asked

1501
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 4: an author to blurb that book.

1502
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: Your book is called aesthetical relations.

1503
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 4: It's a pun on relational aesthetics. Do you get it, George,

1504
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 4: I do.

1505
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: I didn't get it.

1506
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: You'll find out. I feel like we have to go now.

1507
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 4: We're opening a whole other can of worms. And I

1508
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 4: have acupuncture soon. I wish I didn't, but I do

1509
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 4: know we do, we do it. No.

1510
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: I just wanted to shout out the shout out the book.

1511
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 3: Anyone not watching and not being able to zoo pan

1512
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 3: over to that, please don't order our staff that way.

1513
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: Don't do that. We don't do that. We don't do

1514
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: that type of thing.

1515
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 4: None of these are on a dolly.

1516
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: Maybe the editors can get a lens on all three

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Speaker 2: of us.

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: Enhance esthetical relations. That is a book of essays and

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01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 3: it is about art and comedy.

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 4: The official lurb is Essay Constellation of essays on art, Fashion, cancer, comedy,

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 4: and your mom. Oh your mother specifically, oh.

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: Shoot.

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: Our final segment, yeah, okay. Our final segment is called

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: shout Outs. And in this segment we payomash to the

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: Grand Street tradition of the radio shout out, and we

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: shout out anything that we are enjoying. People, places, things, ideas.

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01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: We make them up on the spot and we will

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: go first. And George, do you have one?

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01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: I do have one.

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 4: Oh.

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to the film

1532
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 3: Legally Blonde, which I rewatched for the first time since

1533
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 3: I was like a child on the plane. And it's

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 3: pretty much like top to bottom of perfect movie. And

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01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 3: I also just really want to Reese. Stop with all

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 3: the fancy stuff. Literally, stop with the book club, stop

1537
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: with the Apple TV, stop with the instagrams where you

1538
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 3: like do like self referential nostalgia and talk about your

1539
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 3: past characters.

1540
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: Stop with your kids, stop with the government contracts.

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01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 3: Stop it. Comedic performance is what you are good at.

1542
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 3: You are a generational talent. Find a script and play

1543
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 3: a funny character named ali Ba Becca. Is that what

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: we said?

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: Play Becca. Find your Becca. Reese needs to go to

1547
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 3: clown Academy for finding her in Rebecca. Doesn't need it,

1548
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: she has it. She has lost touch with her in

1549
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 3: Rebecca and it shows and it shows in her acting

1550
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: in the Morning Show as well. She needs to find

1551
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 3: her in Rebecca and no reboots. I don't want to

1552
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 3: hear legally blonde four.

1553
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that's all that's interesting. That inspired me. What's a

1554
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: free excluser's perverts around the club?

1555
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge shout out to the

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01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: that's right, Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

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01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: I have never been a Housewives girl, and I did

1559
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,919
Speaker 1: start because I decided that it's time to stop aliening

1560
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: myself for my own communit and maybe just watch a

1561
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: TV show that will then let me allow allow me

1562
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: to talk to over one billion gay guys. And I

1563
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: have started it and you know, three episodes in Low

1564
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: and Mold.

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm loving it. I can't wait to see what these

1566
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: women we get up to.

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: I do wish they had healthier communication styles, and I

1568
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: do think a lot of their issues could be solved

1569
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: quite quickly. But I am kind of inspired by their

1570
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: ability to feel so strongly, and I wish that I

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01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: had such fire in my own heart and instead, when

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm in a conflict, I say, hey, let's bring it

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 1: back a bit.

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01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. They would never.

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01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: Do something like that, and in many ways I wish

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01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: I had that strength. So shout out to Rhode Island

1577
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: and the Housewives, and I will maybe be joining in

1578
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: the other universes, but to be honest, it is quite daunting.

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, goodbye.

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: Shout out the scene in the action movie when one

1581
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 4: of the main characters retreats to administer self first aid.

1582
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm talking about, And it's this very

1583
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 4: specific rating because obviously the sex scene in an action

1584
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 4: movie or horror movie operates as like a bit of

1585
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 4: respite for the audience. But if it's like maybe PG.

1586
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 4: Thirteen or we can't do that, we get a protracted scene.

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,919
Speaker 4: Two of the best movies to ever do it Terminator

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 4: two and Predator What because well and interesting because one's

1589
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 4: a sort of an alien and one's a robot. I

1590
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 4: want to see there's some more erotic, sort of human

1591
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 4: examples where it's like, I want to see, you know,

1592
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 4: a muscled guy just busting into a shitty hotel room

1593
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 4: and looking in the mirror and.

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: Going, oh, I do love that, you know what I mean?

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01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 4: That's that's the scene. So that's a softer way of

1596
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 4: giving the audience like respite from the action than like

1597
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 4: a sex scene. And it's so relaxing, it's so interesting.

1598
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 4: When the Predator does it, I get to see all

1599
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 4: sorts of insight into alien biology and anatomy. He has

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 4: green blood. I just think that action movies really lost

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01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 4: their way. They they're trying too hard to be funny.

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01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 4: There's too much of looking at the camera and saying,

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01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 4: I hope this email finds you will.

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01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: Totally totally I need.

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 4: Less self aware cynical comedy in action movies, and I

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 4: need a very calm, earnest character administering self first aid,

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01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 4: oh no wait, I'm not gonna button my jacket because

1608
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 4: there's nothing to be but then the un buttoning and

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 4: then the knife wounded, like oh yeah, and then they're

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: back at it. Shout out to that scene. I need

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 4: more of that.

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 3: Who wow.

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree that we are lacking vulnerability in

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01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: action movies these days, and that's how you get it.

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: You need to know that they're human and they could

1616
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: not and that it hurts. Like now everyone's so perfect,

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01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: it's you gotta feel the pain.

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 4: This is not the scene where the two main characters

1619
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 4: examine each other's wounds and then it turns into sex.

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01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 4: That's a difference.

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01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: That's different.

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 3: It's different.

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01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: That's different, and I don't need more of that. I

1624
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:17,839
Speaker 2: want self reflection.

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01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 4: I want self reflection, I want self restinate. I need

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01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 4: to see strong male role models administering self care.

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 3: Period period, and I think that's where we end.

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01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for doing the podcast.

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01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: This has been an absolute delight.

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01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: I can't believe I cried wild.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bye,