1 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: The show goes on. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: It's the official show with Eli Sussman, covering your Miami 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: Marlins every day in our own way. Thanks for subscribing 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: to Fish Strips wherever you get your podcasts. We'll throw 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: this particular episode up on YouTube as well. This is 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: a people wanted to cover this mega trade from all angles. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Our Fish Stripe staff has dedicated a lot of time 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: and a lot of brain cells to breaking down the 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: spicy trade between the Marlins and the Minnesota Twins. But 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: I didn't think we can grasp all the consequences without 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: speaking at link to somebody on the other side of 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: this blockbuster. That's why I'm thrilled to welcome on Ted 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: Swetzler of Twins Day Only to the show. Let's get 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: after it, Ted, how are you good? 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: Thanks to you for having me on. It's interesting to 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: link up through a trade, but it's seems like it's 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: kind of been in and works for a while, and 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: it was I don't know, interesting or exciting to see 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 3: it come. 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Through, right. 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I was able to see going back all 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: the way probably to the winter meetings I saw reporting 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: from you about the possibility of this happening. So at 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: the end result, you're not totally caught by surprise, and frankly, 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: from the Marlins perspective, this was a fit that we 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: also speculated could come together for quite a while, and 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: it finally did here in mid January, and now. 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: We're late January. 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: Right before that. That's going to be the main course 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: of the podcast. We're going to go into this trade 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: from all angles, but as an appetizer, just for a 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: few minutes, look at this stud former Twins pitcher Devin Smetzler, 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: no relation to you, just like the last thing, and 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: he was just officially, as we're recording this on Wednesday, 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: officially announced today as one of the Marlins non roster 36 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: invitees to spring training. But he had been parts of 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: five seasons in the Twins organization, a lot of that 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: at the major league level, and I thought you'd be 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: able to give us a pretty good just some about 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: what his Twins career was like and just some general 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: backgrounds and vote on this guy that will get a 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 2: pretty solid chance to make the team out of spring training. 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Devin and I actually have grown decently close over 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: the last handful of years, and just getting to know 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: him it was interesting, I believe if I remember right, 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 3: he was acquired in the Bryan Doser trade with the Dodgers, 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: and originally that was kind of constructed from the Twins 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: perspective way back when Cody Bellinger was still a prospect, 49 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: Walker Buehler was still a prospect, and Brian Doser had 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 3: come off of the forty one or whatever home run 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: season that he had with Minnesota, so they were really 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: pushing for one of those two. The big name from 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: the Dodgers that they wanted to give up was Jose 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: de Leon, who surprisingly enough is now actually a non 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: roster invitee for the Twins this year. But it was 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: I believe Smeltzer Logan Forsyth and the name escapes me, 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: but he played Luke Rayley. He played for the Rays, 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: I believe a little bit last year that came over 59 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: for Dozer and Smeltzer started obviously in the minors for 60 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: the Twins. Lefty, he's not a high velocity guy, and 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: he's not one that will claim to try to be 62 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: that either. He's a very old school type pitcher in 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: that he really embraces what he does on the mound. 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: He's a guy that believes as his starts go on, 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: he definitely gets better later in the game, gets warmed up, 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: gets more acclimated to the lineup. 67 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: Turning over Devin Smeltzer, I can't say he's really settled 68 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: down because he probably didn't deserve the fate giving up 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: a run on the first inning in the first place. 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: But he's bowing the guardians down. Another really good outing 71 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: for deb and Smelts. So we'll see if the lineup 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: can get him some runs. 73 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: He believes he can make it through a lineup, you 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: know two three times, big ground ball guy uses a 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: decent amount of spin to try to generate weak contact, 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: generate outs, and he's not afraid to use defense behind him. 77 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: At his best with the Twins, it was when we 78 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: had a or have a full complement of outfielders. I mean, 79 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: he's going to give up some unfortunate contact that's obviously 80 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: going to be put in the air and have the 81 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: ball go to the outfield. So having Byron Buxton out there, 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: having Max Kepler out there, having Eddie Rosario out there, 83 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: at times, those are guys that can get can get 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: to the baseball. But he struggled a little bit when 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: that outfield was in flux. The Twins infield defense has 86 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: actually been problematic for probably two three years now, and 87 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: that's not something that obviously benefits a ground ball guy 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: too much either. So I know he was excited about 89 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: this Arise trade in that it takes a picture out 90 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: of the Marlins rotation, gives him a little bit more 91 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: clear shot to make an impact. Obviously, you guys signed 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: Johnny Cuato, but you have a I believe he's on 93 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: a one year deal. Is that correct? 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: It's one year in a club option for Cuato. 95 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So I mean, yeah, that might be like a 96 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: veteran holdover type. He's obviously not going to push the 97 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: likes of like Edward Cabrera or Lozardo or someone like 98 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: that out of the rotation. But he's a guy that 99 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: probably could make a handful of spot starts, and last 100 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: year he could have been or probably should have been 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: in the Twins bullpen for a significant stretch working as 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: a long man. So there's definitely a big league arm there. 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: It's just how do you use him, how do you 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: utilize him, and how do you figure out that best fit. 105 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: He's a I believe him and his wife live in 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: Florida as well, so I know he's ecstatic to be 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: in Miami as opposed to I mean, we're dealing with 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: snow right now, so. 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 2: Right he did mention that, I think on Instagram this 110 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: morning is when he made it official, and he did 111 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: say that as somebody that is already very familiar with Florida, 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: that he appreciated that convenience that people watching on YouTube, 113 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: they can see that the pitch to contact is kind 114 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: of a necessity for somebody that just wasn't missing backs 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: at all last year. But aside from that, high eighties, 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: basketball is a pretty deep pitch mix, and that probably 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: would speculate this far in advance. I think the most 118 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: likely fit it would be as a long man out 119 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: of the pen. The Marlins have an unusually what is 120 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: their schedule coming out of the regular season is very heavy, 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: which is unusual. I think it's like twenty nine games 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: and thirty two days to begin this season in late March, 123 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: early April throughout April, very few off days, and they 124 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: don't really have a traditional long man on their forty 125 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: man roster right now. So that might be his fit 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: if he does make a team at a camp, and 127 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: I think I saw that he was a he was 128 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: a childhood cancer survivor, and that's something he's still very 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: adamant about in terms of fundraising and looking out for 130 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: kids in the situation that he wasn't growing up too. 131 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: Did you hear anything about that when he. 132 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: Was Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, he's a he's a big advocate, 133 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: big outwardly spoken about that. I can't remember. I want 134 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: to say, the like strikeout Cancer, the k cancer shirts 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: or whatever are not. I don't think that's his foundation. 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: It may be, but it's definitely something that ran through 137 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: the Twins clubhouse. Lots of players showed their support for him. 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: That was a that was a big part of who 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: he is and who he continues to be. He was 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: great in the community with those initiatives he would meet 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: with kids going through childhood cancer. 142 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 143 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: Two guys that come to mind every single time you 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: talk about I don't know, I guess healthcare initiatives or 145 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: things like that are always Devin Smeltzer and then Randy 146 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: Dobnak is huge with Saint Jude as well. But yeah, 147 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: Devin is a great guy and definitely wears those hurdles 148 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: that he experienced and overcame as a kid on his sleeve. 149 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: That you know, anything I experienced on a baseball diamond 150 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 3: is not going to be close to what I've dealt 151 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: with in life than big Stirrups guy as well too. 152 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: I saw that. 153 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: I did see Mattel Stirrups. 154 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: I did see that when I was looking back on 155 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 2: some of his pitching recently. So that's just one to 156 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: twenty seven non roster and it's in Marlin's camp. But 157 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: as I said, I think he's going to be pretty 158 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: high up the hierarchy in terms of guys that actually 159 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: have a chance to make the team make an impact 160 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: during the season. 161 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: But from there, we're. 162 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: Going to go into this big trade that just went 163 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: down officially this past Friday, Luisa Rise Marlin sending a 164 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: three player package Pablo Lopez, Jose Salas, Byron Churio to Minnesota. 165 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: And I want to start with Arise. 166 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: Everybody knows the first phrase out of the mouth with 167 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: the Rises. He's reigning AL batting champion and he was 168 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: in contention for that in previous seasons as well. He's 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: projected to continue to consent for that pretty much as 170 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: long as he's in the big leagues. He's just such 171 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: a unique offensive player with him because he was developed 172 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: by the Twins from the beginning. He's been the organization 173 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: for like nine years. I'm sure you know him very thoroughly, 174 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: and I wanted to start from the beginning. He ever 175 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: since signing he signed for I think forty thousand dollars 176 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: out of Venezuela, which is a really modest signing bonus 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: for prospects. But he's been a hits machine all the 178 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: way up through the miners. I'm wondering, when did you 179 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: begin to take notice of him as somebody that could 180 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: be a legit big league contributor. 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting. I mean he's in the same 182 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: I guess Vain as Max Kepler and Jorge Polonco and 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: maybe even Buxton and snow To just from a kind 184 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: of came up with those guys. And he never had 185 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: the fanfare obviously as some of them because he didn't 186 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: have that big signing bonus. He wasn't a flashy player 187 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: by any means. But and then I believe it was 188 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen to two, Jorge Polanco got 189 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: called up to make his debut I think from like 190 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: low A Fort Myers. And it was around that time 191 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: too that Arias was kind of starting to establish actually 192 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: it was probably even before that, but trying to or 193 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: starting to establish himself as on the farm as a hitter, 194 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: and that's really what he's consistently done his whole career. 195 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: Obviously you're seeing that now with the batting Champion his 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: rookie year. I think he hit three thirty six or 197 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 3: something like that. He had a higher batting average his 198 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: rookie year. But if there's a tool in baseball that 199 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: you do extremely well, why not it be hitting as 200 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: a as a prospect and being on prospect lists and 201 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: being highly coveted. He's never really fell into that for 202 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: the Twins, alongside maybe a Buck Stinger a snow because 203 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: he didn't have the power. He's not a huge defensive guy. 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: He's not a super speedy guy. But yeah, I mean 205 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 3: the bat was always amazing, and I don't I would imagine, 206 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what the Marlins have kind of highlighted 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 3: as his calling cards and whatnot media wise or sharing 208 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: since they have acquired him. But for Twins fans, it 209 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: was basically at bat. I can't remember if I want 210 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: to say it was twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. He came 211 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: in off the bench and faced Edwin Diaz, and I 212 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: believe it was like in a thirteen or fourteen pitch 213 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 3: at bat and then ended up singling, and it was 214 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: late in the game, and it was like this guy 215 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: just came in cold facing one of the best believers 216 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: closers in baseball and beat him. And from that point forward, 217 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: he's not as big of a tight strike zone guy 218 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: as you might like to see. He does expand a 219 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: little bit, but he doesn't miss. There's just no swing 220 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: and miss in his game at all. And I mean 221 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: you see that here on his Savant rankings too. I mean, 222 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: his WIF rate is absolutely insane. Yes, he will chase 223 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: the ball a little bit, but if he's chasing, he 224 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 3: knows he's going to put it in play somewhere. He's 225 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: a guy that as much as and you can look 226 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: at his spray chart as well, as much as the 227 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: shift is now going away, it's always been weird to 228 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: see teams shift him because he'll put the ball wherever 229 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: he wants to. There's really no reason to shift him. 230 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: And his goal is never to get a double or 231 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: to launch a homer. That's just not his game. So 232 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it's absolutely tough to lose a player like that, 233 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: but I think it's a very true situation where you're 234 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: dealing with two sets of assets that benefits both clubs. 235 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: And to get everybody up to speed, I'm sure they've 236 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: done their own research by now, but even his slash 237 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: line this past year, it was basically in line with 238 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: his career slash line in four years with the Twins. 239 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: This is what he's been doing at three sixteen last year, 240 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: is three fourteen the year before, somewhere between twenty and 241 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: twenty five, thirty percent better than league average as an 242 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: overall hitter, more walks than strikeouts, which is almost a 243 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: dying breed of a type of hitter that's. 244 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: Able to do that particular thing. 245 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: And he was rewarded with not just a bad entitled, 246 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: but an All Star selection, the Al Silver or Slugger. 247 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: He finished thirteenth in American League MVP voting. And what's 248 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: a remarkable ted is that he's still only twenty five 249 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: years old. He turns twenty six right after opening day. 250 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: And you already mentioned it about the shift now going away, 251 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: moving forward, for whatever it's worth, I don't think he 252 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: was shifted very often anyway, but now that it's going 253 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: away and defenders have even fewer options with where to 254 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: position themselves. A lot of hitters are going to benefit 255 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: from that. What I'm wondering is, do you think it's 256 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: fair to expect Arise to continue being the same type 257 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: of productive player the next few years that he was 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: during his Twins tender? Is there any reason to worry, 259 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: perhaps about him slowing down for one reason or another. 260 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: I don't think. I do think there's a little bit 261 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: of an aspect to that, and I think that's why 262 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: the Twins made him available at probably the height of 263 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: his value. However, I don't think his skill set is 264 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: ever going to diminish, or at least not anytime in 265 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: the foreseeable future. There's a lot of times that you 266 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: throw names out there that are player comps for current guys, 267 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: and you'll get pushed back, like, how could you compare 268 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: that player to someone that was revolutionary? For Twins fans 269 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: and for people that watched a Rise in Minnesota, the 270 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: one that was consistent was Rod Caru and Rod Carew 271 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: threw that out there consistently. I mean, they are very 272 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: very similar players in that they just hit and it's 273 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: not necessarily for power, they get on base, they put 274 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: the ball in play, and they find ways to not 275 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: just generate out. The one caveat that I think the 276 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: Twins probably have a little bit of hesitancy and to 277 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: the way he ages is that as the season has 278 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: gone on both of the last two years, he has 279 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: dealt with knee issues. Last year, that was part of 280 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: the reason that his average dropped down the stretch. He 281 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: was really struggling running out of the box. He was 282 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: struggling to put his normal swing on the ball. I 283 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: believe he did miss some time in twenty twenty one 284 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: and just sat out or I can't remember if he 285 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: went on the injured list or not. But at twenty 286 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: four to twenty five, if he's got knee issues, I 287 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: don't know what that is. It's never been necessarily reported 288 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: as arthritis or something that needs to be corrected. More 289 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: so just the wear and terror of a season that 290 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: probably isn't going to get better. As he ages now, 291 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: he also can be in a position where he is 292 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: not contributing on as significantly as he had to for 293 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: the Twins last year. I mean, he he played first 294 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: base for most of the year. He won a Silver 295 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: Slugger as a first baseman, and he never played that 296 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: position before, so he was forced into a spot where 297 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: they basically had to have him out there on a 298 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: daily basis or they had no one else just due 299 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: to injuries and whatnot. So if his workload can be 300 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: managed a little bit, or his body can, I don't know, 301 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: be worked on differently by a training, I think you 302 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: know that then calmed some of those nerves. But that 303 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: hitting prowess has been there since he was a teenager 304 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: and it's continued to be there at the major league level. 305 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: And there's no pitcher that scares this. 306 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: Guy, right, And that injury history was something that cut 307 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: my touch into if you look at his past ils 308 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: did since one of them was called tendon nightis one 309 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: of them was a knee strain, Like nothing that raises 310 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: a huge red flag. I do think back when he 311 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: was a minor leaguer he may have actually torn his 312 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: acl but that was that's now going back six or 313 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: seven years from early in his pro baseball career. So 314 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: more recently it hasn't been anything that really jumps out 315 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: at you. But as you mentioned, it was some substantial 316 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: amount of this time. As recently as twenty twenty one 317 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 2: that kept him off the field, and for now you know, 318 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: the team is saying that they intend to use him 319 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: primarily at second base. But as this hear plays out, 320 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: I guess he has the versatility to move around quite 321 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: a bit as needs present themselves, and if physically it's 322 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: realistic for him to move to a less demanding position. 323 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: But now we could get to the other side of 324 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: the trade. What the Marlins aren't giving up here, which 325 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: is really, as much as Arise is such a good 326 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: fit for the Marlins need as an offense deficient organization, 327 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: they gave up a lot. They gave a ton to 328 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: get Arise, at least in my opinion, And I'm wondering 329 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: what you thought, well, at least what you may have 330 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: heard about what other starting pitchers did the Twins pursue 331 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: in the off season before completing the steal to get 332 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez. They went pretty deep to finally get this 333 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: steal done, but I'm sure they were looking at other 334 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: free agents that were looking at some trade targets. Do 335 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: you think do you feel that like Pablo was about 336 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: as good as they could have done compared to some 337 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: of the other alternatives that were out there. 338 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: For the Twins. 339 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. You deal with obviously a significant 340 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: amount of a fan base too. When a guy is 341 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: coming off of a batting title and he's as well 342 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: liked as a Rise is, that you're going to have 343 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: pushback regardless because of who you gave up. It's almost 344 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: not gonna matter who you got back. I don't know 345 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: that in every way the Twins have struggled forever in 346 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: developing pitching and finding that ace and finding the frontline 347 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: starter that could go win them playoff games. We haven't 348 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 3: won a playoff game in eighteen straight games going back 349 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: to two thousand and four, so it's been a problem. However, 350 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 3: I don't know that Luis Arise or really anyone that 351 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: the Twins wanted want to trade was going to net 352 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: them a number two or even an ace type starter. 353 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: They would have had to mortgage a lot to go 354 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: get someone like that, and I think their goal has 355 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: been to construct a rotation around number two number three 356 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: type starters Sonny Gray, Tyler, Molly Pablo Lopez. That way, 357 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: you aren't running guys out there that maybe shouldn't be 358 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: doing more than making a spot start. I mean, last year, 359 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: Chris Archer and Dylan Bunny made a significant amount of 360 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: starts for the Twins. That's not ever going to be 361 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: a tenable thing for a winning team. Lopez, to me, 362 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: I think represent a very safe floor for what they 363 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: could have got or what they were targeting. I know 364 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: Derek Falvey mentioned that the Twins had been interested in 365 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: him for years. I know that they had conversations around 366 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: the trade deadline last year. And as far as them waiting, 367 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: obviously you're dealing with rumors and you're dealing with things 368 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: being brought back and forth from both front offices or 369 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: media or whatever. I know part of what I had 370 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: reported or suggested and what had been told to me 371 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: the Twins originally or the Marlins originally asked for ariahs 372 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: plus for Lopez, and so to swing it and wait 373 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 3: or be patient to the point of getting Lopez plus 374 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: for Arias is quite the turnaround. Especially I haven't dug 375 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: in deep enough yet to have a complete idea what 376 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: Solace is going to be in our system, But to 377 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: get a prospect like that back on top of a 378 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: major league pitcher, I think that they really focused in 379 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: on Lopez thought that that's where they wanted to turn. Yes, 380 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 3: there's probably other alternatives out there, but it was, like 381 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: I said earlier, it was such a good fit for 382 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: both teams. The Marlins wanted hitting and are pitching rich. 383 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: The Twins needed a pitcher. And if they believe in 384 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: the prospects that were hurt last year or the young 385 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: guys that were hurt, arive becomes expendable. 386 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: And as you were thinking about the possibility of this 387 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: trade going down, as you suggested, the idea that Salas 388 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: might be involved with this kind of came out of nowhere. 389 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: The fact that the Marlins would include a pre substantial 390 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: prospect in this kind of deal. When these teams are 391 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: having negotiations, you're probably thinking in your head, maybe there's 392 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: somebody else on the major league roster from the Marlins 393 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: that might make sense in a larger deal. As you 394 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: look at it now as we approach spring training, and 395 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: if you were the one that was like negotiating this, 396 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: is there anybody else on the Marlins, like any major 397 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: league ready player that you thought would have in addition 398 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 2: to Pablo, been a really good fit to build a 399 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: complete Twins roster. 400 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: I don't know where I stand with them needing to 401 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: add more offense at this point now after trading for 402 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: Michael A. T I don't think he's not going to 403 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: factor in a whole lot lineup wise. He's brought in 404 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: as a fourth outfielder to beat Byron Bucks and insurance essentially, 405 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: and I mean he's a great defensive fielder. But it 406 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: has continued to seem since at least the end of 407 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: the offseason like the Twins would trade Max Kepler, and 408 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: I thought in hearing how these trade talks had gone, 409 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: there was some ask of the Twins trying to put 410 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: Kepler in ariz spot, which probably doesn't do enough for 411 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: the Marlins. I think that there's a division of understanding 412 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: between how valuable Ariaz and Kepler are for Twins fans. 413 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: Ariz is obviously younger, has more team control that kind 414 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 3: of thing, so that definitely helps his value, but the 415 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: amount of value that Kepler has just as a defender, 416 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: even though he's not he's a league average hitter. There's 417 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: nothing exciting about his game that way, I thought, and 418 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: I still don't think it's crazy depending on what the 419 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: Marlins are trying to do. If the Twins wanted to 420 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: add a major league type DH or some sort of 421 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: right handed thumper, taking on money or whatever in the 422 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: form of either Avasa Garcia or Jorge Silaire and just 423 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 3: flipping outfielders. Kepler gives them a more defensive ready or 424 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: defensive excellent outfielder. Obviously the bat may not be there, 425 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: but with both Seleari, you're dealing with the lack of health, 426 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: and with Garcia he's gone up and down over the 427 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: course of his career as an offensive player too, So 428 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: I don't know whether the Marlins would value that. I 429 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: don't know whether the Twins think they still need a 430 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: right handed bat, but I thought that that was an 431 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 3: aspect that could have just made it a larger trade 432 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: to swap outfielders. 433 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: Right, there are two different players in Avi Garcia. There's 434 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: the even year Garcia and there's the yea. Last year 435 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: they got the full even year experience and it was 436 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: a mess. 437 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Fingers crossed that things are gonna go better. 438 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: He ever since the season ended, really before the season ended, 439 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: he made a new commitment to his conditioning. He really 440 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: slimmed down after being noticeably overweight last year, the first 441 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: year of a big deal. We're hoping that the worst 442 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: is behind him in that regards actually offloading him to 443 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: another team that would have been difficult. So that would 444 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: have been a big surprise if they were able to 445 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: get somebody to work out something creative there involving him. 446 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, for now they seemed locked in with him 447 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: as the primary right fielder. I saw that on Twitter 448 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: in the aftermath of this. You just described it as 449 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: a great deal from the Twins perspective, and I think 450 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: you already touched on it a bit during this conversation, 451 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 2: but if you could go into more specificus so, why 452 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: you think the Twins got a great value here and 453 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: what do you think the fan base's overall reaction is is. 454 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a bit polarizing considering, yeah, profile that 455 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: Arise had during his Twins years. 456 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think part of that is because, like I said, 457 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: you can't completely that out every rumor. But in trying 458 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: to cover this over the past month or so and 459 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: hearing so many other prospect names from the Twin side 460 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: potentially being involved, there were just certain names that that 461 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: would have been a non starter more than a rise 462 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: for me, or at least from an evaluation standpoint, So 463 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: to get Lopez plus something and especially a usable prospect 464 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: potentially and Solace I mean, Turio is super young. That's 465 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: a lottery ticket. There's not a whole lot to extrapolate there. 466 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: But being able to get value and get value as 467 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: a pitcher or from a pitching perspective in exchange for 468 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: a rise, I think is just as as a Twins 469 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 3: I see their lineup and their roster construction lean so 470 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: much more heavily towards being okay from a bat perspective 471 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 3: that knowing where they were last year with pitching. I mean, yes, 472 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 3: losing surefire leadoff guy, a guy that gets on base, 473 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: a guy that's going to hit three hundred just because 474 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: he can, is never going to be a great thing. 475 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: But if you can get pitching when you haven't been 476 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: able to spend on it, you've either missed out on 477 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: free agents, or you haven't been able to develop it, 478 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: or you haven't been able to necessarily make all of 479 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: the trades you want. I think it's a great deal 480 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: for the Twins. And if the Marlins were that focused 481 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: on grabbing a hitter and an infielder, I think that's 482 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: absolutely the type of guy that they should have moved. 483 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 3: I think there were plenty of Twins fans that would 484 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: have preferred to see either Lizardo or Cabrera. And if 485 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: I'm a Marlins fan, yeah, they might not be Pablo 486 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 3: Lopez at this moment, but I think there's a lot 487 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: higher ceiling there for both of those players, and I 488 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: don't know that I would have loved to see either 489 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: of them leave if I'm the Marlins. So I think 490 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: it's really it works out for both teams type of thing. 491 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: And you will you'll miss him, and that's definitely been 492 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: part of it for the fan base. I mean, the 493 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 3: Twins are holding their community Twins Fest this weekend, and 494 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure there'll be plenty of questions for the front 495 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 3: office or the owners and whatever about you know, how 496 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 3: could you trade Luis Raise he's a fan favorite all 497 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, But realistically, the Twins had fan 498 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 3: favorites and they've had guys that fans get behind. Last 499 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: year and you didn't have a winning record, you had 500 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: worst attendance in over a decade, Like, it's got to 501 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: be about winning. And so if that's how you view 502 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: your roster construction being a little bit better, you explore 503 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 3: that route. 504 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: And the last thing on this a big motivation for 505 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: the reason why Pablo was available in the first place, 506 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: is because he was the one that was closest to 507 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: free agency, and of all these pitchers, there was pretty 508 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: clear understanding that they were not going to extend his deal, 509 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: and at this point, waiting any longer would only diminish 510 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: his value. So the Twins get two full years out 511 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: of it. Marlin's really under no circumstances, We're going to 512 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: pay market value to extend him deep into his twenties 513 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: and into his thirties. I'm curious whether the Twins are 514 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: in that same camp are. I noticed that they have 515 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: a few guys in their rotation that could be free 516 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: agents after this upcoming year, And so although Pablo had 517 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: that extra value for having twenty twenty four as well, 518 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: do you think that between now and a couple of 519 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: years from now that the Twins will extend him deep 520 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: into his career. They certainly have more payroll flexibility than 521 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: the Marlins typically have, and they have probably not quite 522 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: as much starting pitching coming up behind it in terms 523 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: of death. 524 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's interesting because the Twins could be 525 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: in a spot where they lose as many as I 526 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: believe it's three starters this offseason or at the end 527 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: of the season two free agency. I believe Sonny Gray 528 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: is a free agent. I know Kenta Maida will be 529 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: a free agent. I want to say there's one more, 530 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: but I I can't remember, but I think Lopez and 531 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: Tyler Mally are probably my two favorite candidates for them 532 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: to extend going forward. Mally obviously depends on health this year. 533 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 3: You want to see him pitch a full season, same 534 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: with Lopez. Lopez has dealt with health issues previously. But yeah, 535 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: I think there's an opportunity when you don't necessarily have 536 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: the ability to bring in frontline pitchers through free agency, 537 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: whether that's because of lacking dollars or locality and being 538 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: cold in the early year, or whatever it is. I 539 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: think there's a bet fit to being able to negotiate 540 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: with your own guys. It's the only reason that the 541 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: Twins were able to sign Byron Buxton to one hundred 542 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: million dollar deal before he got to the open market. 543 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: I mean, he would have got substantially more than that, 544 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: whether he was healthy or not, but because they were 545 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: able to negotiate it with him first and get that 546 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: deal done, It's something that they've used to their advantage. 547 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: They did just extend Chris Paddock for three years earlier, 548 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 3: I believe last week actually, So he's rehabbing from Tommy 549 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: John at this point, but should be back late this 550 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 3: season and then they'll have him for two more. But 551 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: I think you could build a rotation around you know, Paddock, 552 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 3: Molly Lopez and then whatever of your top prospects are 553 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: up and coming and left and whatnot. 554 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let to find out. 555 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: I don't think we have touched on it during this pod, 556 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: but Pablo, on a personal level was he couldn't be 557 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: You couldn't score any higher in terms of makeup and 558 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: in terms of relationships they's built, not just with players 559 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: and not just with fans, but even with media members 560 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: as well. He's a personal favorite. So although we've seen 561 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: this coming for a while, whispers about it going back 562 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: probably a whole year, and certainly felt like it was 563 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: possible he'd be gone at the previous trade deadline, we've 564 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: been preparing for a while, but it still hurts, nonetheless 565 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: to have him go, And so hopefully Arise will perform 566 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: in a way that allows us to feel at peace 567 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: with the fact that you gave up such an important 568 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: piece of Barlin's culture. Over the last half decade or so. 569 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: I think that's it. I think that's a very cool 570 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: thing too, from both perspectives, is that you're dealing people 571 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: that have that background. It's one thing just to deal 572 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 3: major league assets or players or whatever. But in hearing 573 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: both of their press conferences and the way that people 574 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: talk about them, it's very cool for both fan bases 575 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: to genuinely get good people. And it seems like Luis 576 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: is all on board with I'm going to embrace being 577 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: a Marlin and I want to be here and that 578 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: kind of thing too, So very very cool for both 579 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: of them. 580 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: Well, the fan base is already as painful as was 581 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: to lose Pavlo. The fact that Riaz just does everything 582 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: that their offense last year was unable to do. He's 583 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: he's earned the benefit of the doubt for quite a while. 584 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: He's gonna have a long leash in order to prove 585 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: himself as the type of player that they needed near 586 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: the top of their lineup. So again, thank you to 587 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: Ted Swetzler from Twins Daily. He can find his writing 588 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: on Twins Daily dot com. You can follow him on 589 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: Twitter at the account on here, T L s c 590 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: h W e r ZE and you can find me 591 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: at Real Eli and at Fish Strips as well here 592 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: on the official show. So if you're watching this on YouTube, 593 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: thanks for subscribing over there, but you can also listen 594 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: to this wherever. Our pods are available here at fish Stripes. 595 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: As we are getting so close, We're getting so close 596 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: to the start of this season. As you mentioned, the 597 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: Twins already doing some of their fans and activations, and 598 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: Marlins FanFest is now only about two and a half 599 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: weeks away as well. So really fired up. It had 600 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: been very frustrating off season leading up to this, the 601 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: Marlins in particular, we're kind of dragging their feet to 602 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: get something done, and now that they have, there's a 603 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: whole new level of enthusiasm. Thank you so much, Ted 604 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: for allowing. 605 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: Us to break this down with you. 606 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on