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Speaker 1: On July thirtieth, twenty twenty two, at the American Airlines

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Speaker 1: Center in Dallas, Texas, the rematch between Amanda Donez and

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Speaker 1: Juliana Pina will take place, and not one of us

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Speaker 1: is going to fucking be there.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, Welcome to the UFC two to seventy seven Official

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat pregame preview. That's Brian Campbell, Chuck min and

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Speaker 1: Haul the Man the Hat, and I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, I'll tell you one thing.

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Speaker 3: This card may not be stacked for a pay per

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Speaker 3: view and may not entertain you. This preview show will Why.

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Speaker 1: Don't we tell everyone what you're drinking? Because it looks

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Speaker 1: like it's got a.

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Speaker 3: Live They won't tell me what it is, Okay, But

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Speaker 3: I told them I wanted something very manly to echo

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Speaker 3: the theme of the show, which is we don't pull

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Speaker 3: no punches in these parts. We give it to you

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Speaker 3: the real, We give it to you the raw, We

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Speaker 3: give you real talk beat Jews. That's what it is like,

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Speaker 3: men do that's for Loco. This is basically for Loco.

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Speaker 3: You're drinking four basically, man Grea, thank you, Adam Carol.

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Speaker 3: It's something weird like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what he calls it? Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 2: I could pull it off though, just the same.

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Speaker 4: What do you got there, Chuck?

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Speaker 5: This is an I P A your favorite. I don't

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Speaker 5: know which kind of I PA, but you don't even

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Speaker 5: know what kind of ie. Now you're drinking. They had

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Speaker 5: two two lions.

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Speaker 2: They're all t can. I don't give off two cans.

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Speaker 5: And I kind of combined them into this.

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Speaker 1: So well, I'm having water because we all know what

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Speaker 1: happens when I have a few skinny malls.

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Speaker 2: You turn into a pumpkin. Jesus, I can't handle his liquor.

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Speaker 2: It's sparkling water water. I just wrapped this one out

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Speaker 2: the it's great.

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Speaker 3: It's apropos because you're sitting on the stain. Can the

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Speaker 3: can the camera pan get flor No, it's not mine.

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Speaker 3: BC fucking did this.

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Speaker 2: A great rig team here? Who look at Johnny.

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Speaker 4: Mustle over there?

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Speaker 5: By the way, this is true tailgating here the.

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Speaker 2: New camera guys zooming in. So this couch is unstable.

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Speaker 2: I sat here with.

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Speaker 3: The drink went flying, so Luke, you got to sleep

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Speaker 3: in the stain. But I think it will improve our

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Speaker 3: content overall.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, dude, you like sparkling water.

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Speaker 2: Yes, occasionally it makes you feel European.

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Speaker 1: Vasa mitt gos, which is how I say it in German.

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Speaker 1: I fucking hate it.

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Speaker 4: Hate it.

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Speaker 1: I like flat water. I don't understand what the point

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Speaker 1: point is of sparkling water. But to say you Belch

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Speaker 1: a little more, yeah, I don't quite get. I don't

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Speaker 3: If you noticed that no other platform gives you an

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Speaker 3: M and a pay per view preview as real as

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Speaker 3: we do with the show.

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Speaker 2: I was so glad to have. I think it's great.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I can come in here. You guys, cuss, you spill,

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Speaker 5: you spit, you know, Belch.

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Speaker 2: If Luke was drinking, he would hug it from behind it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of it, man, perfect, Chuck. I did see

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Speaker 1: you in Vegas. We did see briefly. Yeah, before I

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Speaker 1: an hour. You just think it was you were there now,

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Speaker 5: There an hour.

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Speaker 2: You remember in the bill, I was in the building.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: You were trying to get them off to get the

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Speaker 5: Right when I picked up the mic, you guys brought

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Well, there'll be no wheel today.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. So this is a rare UFC.

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Speaker 1: Two times in a month they're going to have a

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Speaker 1: This one, Chuck, It's got a great main event, but

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Speaker 5: I think that's fair to say. I mean there are

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Speaker 4: This main event?

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Speaker 2: I think it is pretty big.

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Speaker 3: I think it's bigger in terms of steaks meaning storyline

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Speaker 3: Ultimate Fighter. I haven't been watching Luke and I typically

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Speaker 1: It I would rather get eaten by a pack of

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Speaker 3: The main event is great and obviously probably take up

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Speaker 3: a third sort of entity on the main card where

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Speaker 3: you're like appointment viewing, right, And look, we just had

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Speaker 3: around to Paul. Then the knumb Boys got a loaded bag,

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Speaker 3: what is right?

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Speaker 4: That's right? Say what you said?

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Speaker 2: You know you got to keep up with me. You

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, or just bizarrely, what I will say is this,

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Speaker 1: They had a situation where Juliana Pinna fight Samanda Nunez.

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Speaker 5: I agree, one hundred percent. I mean Mana Nunas had

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Speaker 5: I went back and watched that fight recently, the first

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Speaker 5: I don't even know at this point who wins this fight.

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Speaker 3: It's either going to go one you know, it has

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Speaker 3: the greatest upset and biggest upset And in the history

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Speaker 3: of the first fight, does it top Rowsy Home?

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Speaker 2: Sarah Gspan It is the top the magnitude.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, certainly not the magnitude. Now if

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Speaker 5: I knew that Home was alive.

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Speaker 2: That's the difference. And let you have to say this,

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Speaker 2: the difference is the Rowsy Home.

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Speaker 3: You go, Okay, there were things that we didn't know

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Speaker 3: then that you maybe should have known. Now we can

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Speaker 3: do the math with this fight. Still like the math

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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't And the first round, like, how do you

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Speaker 5: want to look at this? That first fight? The first

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Speaker 5: round was all Amanda unas. Then all of a sudden

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Speaker 5: her whole tank siphoned, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 5: she's just getting beat. It was very very weird fight.

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Speaker 5: You don't see fights like that. It was almost existential

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Speaker 5: watching Amana nuna Is realized suddenly that she's exhausted and

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Speaker 5: she's in trouble. That was the weirdest thing. So in

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Speaker 5: that respect, I think it was shocking. I don't know

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Speaker 5: Home One, I felt.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody around the world was like, what the hell. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I feel like it should be.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it doesn't have the magnitude factor, but I feel

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Speaker 3: like it should be the greatest upset of all time

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Speaker 2: Because is that because she beat the game of life.

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Speaker 1: That was an active fighter, third Valentino, Right, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Was questionable that Juliana even got that, even though as

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Speaker 2: She hadn't shown it yet when she stepped up twice Gdr.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't overly technically sound. This was more of a

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Speaker 3: Amanda absolutely imploded, and you bring up the right question.

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Speaker 3: Meaning you know, she hit her ceiling and maybe she

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Speaker 3: you can never reclaim that that's why we're gonna tune in.

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Speaker 2: She's gonna find that out.

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Speaker 3: But watching her implode like that, even if there was

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Speaker 4: I know there was.

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Speaker 2: Fatigue made her a coward. And that's what happens in

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 2: That was an extreme moment where one of the greatest

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Speaker 5: Very strange because she thought she's had five round fights,

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Speaker 5: It was almost like an epiphany occurred because if you

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Speaker 5: it was fairly evident the way that fight turned. When

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I mean that's her will

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Speaker 5: Yeah, by far Man by far. I have this theory too,

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like all these weird things like listen, listen,

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Speaker 5: I've noticed this with tons of finals, going back to

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Speaker 4: To do this? What's your working assessment of why that meant?

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Speaker 5: Maybe I really don't know, but I think you might

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Speaker 5: I feel like you start to just feel like your

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Speaker 5: I think there's a delusion in play, you know that

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Speaker 2: Hang on and keep fighting.

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Speaker 3: like okay, Robby Lawler getting knock up by Woodley, even

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Speaker 2: They got the house, they got the baby that you.

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Speaker 5: Know, like you know what I mean, Like, I feel

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Speaker 3: That's half of it, meaning I've been so successful, I'm invincible.

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Speaker 3: I'll figure it out, don't worry about it. The other

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Speaker 2: Very few people?

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Speaker 3: Manypacker, you got to create them credit for all the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you come from a country where child homelessness, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what you think of I don't think it's true that,

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Speaker 4: It absolutely did not. But it is also true in my.

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Speaker 1: It actually does change your perspective. It actually does change

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Speaker 1: Noted that it is a dynamic catalyst for change.

440
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Speaker 4: One direction or the other.

441
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,840
Speaker 5: Usually it is an interesting thing, that's all. It is,

442
00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,280
Speaker 5: Like you notice that when people like I saw it

443
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,800
Speaker 5: with our Tega and then when they were kind of

444
00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,240
Speaker 5: focusing on his girlfriend so much, and I'm like, oh, oh,

445
00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560
Speaker 5: is this one of those situations. Of course, I don't

446
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 5: really know because the way that fights, that's a different

447
00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,919
Speaker 5: because I know, I get it, I get it, I

448
00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:44,159
Speaker 5: get it.

449
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,160
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, when they're focused, they're both hot. Yeah,

450
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make.

451
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,359
Speaker 5: The opportunity when the focus does that?

452
00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,760
Speaker 2: Drink more of your diabetes drink?

453
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,320
Speaker 4: How about that?

454
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,840
Speaker 2: The other thing?

455
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,479
Speaker 5: I mean, should there is a legit thing like when

456
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,200
Speaker 5: people are calling you know aman in UNA's you know,

457
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,520
Speaker 5: the goat and like she you know, I think that

458
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,000
Speaker 5: that's a tough thing to when you have made it

459
00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 5: look so easy for so long, I think that you're

460
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,600
Speaker 5: onto something when you say, like, hey, who's her real challenge?

461
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,239
Speaker 5: Maybe she didn't take Paya that seriously. I don't know

462
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 5: why she like faded that much in the second round

463
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,760
Speaker 5: if she was taking her seriously, you know what I mean, like,

464
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 5: how did that work? It's a really bizarre fight.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, luckily for Amanda, it's just one fight one night.

466
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean the only other employee that she she had

467
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 3: was her previous loss before that. That that predated the

468
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,480
Speaker 3: twelve flight win streak when she's beaten Katz and Gano

469
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,800
Speaker 3: on having success and then fatigue just gave out. But

470
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,880
Speaker 3: that taught her right, and I think even the first

471
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,280
Speaker 3: one over Valentina in which she faded in the third round.

472
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,159
Speaker 3: Those two fights taught her, like I've got to get

473
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 3: to another level. Come to Valentino rematch. We learned that

474
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,320
Speaker 3: newness can get to another level.

475
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 5: How much do you really know about paina though?

476
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 1: So it's kind of weird her career the way it's went, Yes,

477
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of joined a huge team. Yeah,

478
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,680
Speaker 1: remember the catastrophic knee injury.

479
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 5: She was out for a long time, comes back successful,

480
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,119
Speaker 5: then she falters a couple of times.

481
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,320
Speaker 4: She's just weird.

482
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 5: I don't even the Valentina Chefchenko fight that she had.

483
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,719
Speaker 5: She was controlled portions of that fight, like big portions

484
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 5: of it where she was getting in the clench. Valentine

485
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 5: was smart enough to time out whenever she'd bring up

486
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 5: her knee and she would trip her down and put

487
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,919
Speaker 5: her on the ground. But in the second round she

488
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 5: was kind of pummeling her on the ground and then

489
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 5: gets caught in the arm bar. But I'm like she

490
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 5: was actually having plenty of success againstuff Jenco. You think

491
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,640
Speaker 5: sometimes also that the general perception of Pania was too

492
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 5: low heading into this fight, like we.

493
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 2: Were not giving her. We argued about that because let's

494
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 2: give Luke credit. You didn't predict the upset.

495
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 3: You said, look, we got to stop just you know,

496
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 3: being all or nothing here and saying Newton is going

497
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 3: to swallow her up. This could end up being a

498
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 3: close fight. Paanya has shown some things, I argued she

499
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 3: had and short in a while. She was two and

500
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,959
Speaker 3: two in her last four getting stopped twice. They've been

501
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 3: long stretch of inactivity. But I think you're right the

502
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 3: promise she showed at certain points in her early initial rise,

503
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 3: before the injuries and the setback. To remember she was

504
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 3: kind of being propped up as a potential rousy opponent.

505
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 3: Then it's that long ago we didn't think that was possible.

506
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 3: Almost like a bugget. Like the big myth about Buster

507
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 3: Douglas upsetting Tyson is you know, with the history will

508
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 3: tell you he was like a job er off the

509
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,400
Speaker 3: side of the road. No, he was a somewhat respected

510
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 3: journeyman level have you been only journeyman? Because he'd imploded

511
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,719
Speaker 3: a couple of times, but he always had like the

512
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 3: foundation of craft.

513
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 2: And then he has the best night of his life

514
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 2: under six certain crazy.

515
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 5: Sites and everybody's only focused on Tyson.

516
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 2: In Japan, they'll focus on him.

517
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 3: His mom dies the week before, Like all these things

518
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 3: came together for a perfect storm.

519
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 2: Was this performance?

520
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 3: We already know it was the worst night of the

521
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 3: man's life and an implosion and all that. It also

522
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 3: could be the perfect storm best case serial Fool's Gold

523
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 3: of Juliana Pana. Like, I don't know what the odds

524
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 3: are heading into the rematch, and I'm excited to see them.

525
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to look that up.

526
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 3: I tell you right now, it's still newness by knockout.

527
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: It's still like in terms.

528
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 5: Of what's your best best. That's an interesting conversation because

529
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 5: history has shown that when somebody sees their belt and

530
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 5: they have the rematch, it's very difficult for the original

531
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 5: champion to get it back.

532
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: That's what the Garado did against Daniel.

533
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's like that's one of the rare the odds.

534
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: Our friends that Caesar sportsbook have a Manda Nenas. This

535
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: is currently as the time of filming, so be aware

536
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 1: of that is a minus three hundred who plus two

537
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: forty and you know that's.

538
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 3: Crazy, But do you know what that tells you that

539
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: even though Panya maxed herself out on the worst night

540
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 3: of Noona's career, and let's not overlook it, Pinya had

541
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 3: to take bombs, she had to eat big shots to

542
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: keep coming. The skill difference from what we've seen still

543
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 3: seems to be fast because Pena didn't win this first

544
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: fight on skills.

545
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: She want to on will what.

546
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: If Noona's can come back and get it back to

547
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: a skill game. Then it goes back to what were

548
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: your thoughts heading into the first fight?

549
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 5: Have you really done an analytical look at this like this?

550
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay?

551
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 5: Because I was just I was curious because just from

552
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 5: the naked eye watching it, you know, it's like it

553
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: felt to me like Julian and Payne's punches in that

554
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 5: first round especially, were just these big, looping, crazy wild

555
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 5: shots that they they didn't look very UFC caliber.

556
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 2: To be honest, so like she was wild.

557
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 4: The whole it was.

558
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: It was the second half of that fight the same thing.

559
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

560
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: So like actually when she started realizing the jab is working,

561
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 5: it was the game changer. And then she was coming

562
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 5: on the right hand side with the right looping up.

563
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and it was connect because now you've got

564
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 5: her on skates a little bit. But it was just

565
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: it's a bizarre thing. I think that that line is

566
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 5: probably two wide, but it's still I would still favor

567
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 5: unions in. But I was trying to say, like it's

568
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 5: very difficult a lot of times psychologically, mentally whatever it

569
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 5: is like to go into and try to take your

570
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 5: belt back because now there's some dynamic in play. This

571
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 5: happens all the time. There's only a couple. I mean,

572
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 5: George San Pierre beating Matt Sarah back in the day

573
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 5: like to reclaim it. But that was down the line

574
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 5: from you.

575
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: Know, close against Rose fight couldn't get it done.

576
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 5: It was Randy getting back way back against v Tour, right,

577
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: wasn't that the it was a was a belt for it.

578
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to he.

579
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: Cut his eye, sliced one, but then he got it

580
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: they thought again and he beat him.

581
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 5: Yes, So there's only I mean, there are a couple

582
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 5: of instances where it's happened and was a good one

583
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 5: Steep and DC like when he came. So it does happen,

584
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 5: but more often than not, the person who takes that

585
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 5: belt holds onto it in the rematch.

586
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 2: It's it's as I spend.

587
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: Something on you based on what we've just built there

588
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 3: with the foundation of this chat. If implosion is not

589
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 3: a factor in the match, meaning if you're a man

590
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 3: in Nunaz, you're a real fighter and a real champion,

591
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: you got to take the heart, the embarrassment, everything that

592
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 3: came with this loss. She's still a champion, she's still

593
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: a great No one saying that, but she lost in

594
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: a way that none of us could have guessed. So

595
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: if I tell you in advance the rematch has no

596
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: implosion or guessing out qualities to it, does Juliana Panya

597
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: have a path to victory?

598
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 4: Sure?

599
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: Sure, talk to me about that path.

600
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: Leave take.

601
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, I share most of y'all's assessments that

602
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: you know some of what Peana was showing in that fight.

603
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: She does have a good, very good ground game. I

604
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: think she should be giving her flowers for that. But

605
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: certainly in the striking department. I think BC sort of

606
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: worded it right in the striking department. It was a

607
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: little bit more of will than skill. I was no

608
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: one was going to confuse her for Terence Crawford in

609
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: that moment, right, So that's pretty fair. But what I

610
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: would say is, this is the thing I was kind

611
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: of alluding to. There's the temptation to pick Nunez again.

612
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like, I mean, I wouldn't be certain,

613
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know way be surprised.

614
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 4: If she won.

615
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: But the answer his question, she doesn't have to imp

616
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: flowed to also be unable to recapture the desire.

617
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: That could be gone.

618
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you have what you have to ask yourself

619
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: is is that loss a red flag about fixable problems

620
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: or now about a new reality that's and we don't

621
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: simply know the answer to that.

622
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 4: We just we have no way.

623
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: That's that's the whole subject, that's the whole subting.

624
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: So she could go in there and like did she

625
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: train hard, yes? Does she want to win?

626
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

627
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: But that fire that was under her.

628
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: And all the circumstances heading into the Rousy fight where

629
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: you remember she came, remember when she bet Rowsy, What

630
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: did she do. She walked around the cage going shmotherfuckers.

631
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'll let.

632
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: Everybody know what time it is. Now she goes in there.

633
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: That person still she.

634
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 5: Goes in there and tears a part pain in the rematch,

635
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you could just be like, okay, literally, it's

636
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 5: it becomes a fluky thing, right, Like you're gonna look

637
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 5: at that first wives a fluke.

638
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: That's the way that she proves.

639
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: But like, for example, what's the case where you could

640
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: say that that happened. Okay, you could say Sarah gsp

641
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: but it turned out that it wasn't all that fluky.

642
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: Remember they were supposed to fight.

643
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: The fight got delayed, Sarah had all those extra rounds sparring.

644
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: And in the rematch, though, how did Saint Pierre fight him?

645
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: He took him down and knead his to the body

646
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: and at home, right at home in Montreal crowd right,

647
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: But this is the point he didn't.

648
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: There was like a real clear difference.

649
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: Is a man is going to try and take Juliana

650
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Penna down maybe, but she's not gonna go.

651
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: Back to what it was before, which you're like, okay,

652
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: that's overwhelming. She canna time her She gonna CounterPunch in time?

653
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: Is that what you think?

654
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: I think you have to make Juliana Pena be the

655
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: offensive lead, meaning make her shoot and try to find

656
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: out really whether I'm going to be on my back

657
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: or not.

658
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: A man has been.

659
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 3: Fairly people have people tried to shoot against Amanda to

660
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: get inside the punch he is of late, she.

661
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: Has had significantly better takedown to fence.

662
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean GDR had moments where the if I got

663
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: to the ground very right. So I want to make

664
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: Juliana lead. I want to make her establish a jab.

665
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: I want to if she's throwing looping stuff as we

666
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: talked about, then you know Nunas is a very I

667
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: don't want to call her a great boxer in the

668
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: boxer sense, but in terms of adaptability of using boxing

669
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: and MMA at this level. I mean, it's not just

670
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: the power, it's a precision too, right. She sets up

671
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: shots good, she got a very good job. None of

672
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 3: that seemed to be there in the first fight. So

673
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: I want to make pain you have to win this.

674
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: I want to say, Okay, I'll come back and win

675
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: this fight. I win it on your terms. Bring your

676
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: terms to me and I'll show you what I can

677
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: do because you as long as she's in the shape,

678
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: and she certainly has reasons to be refocused. She's got

679
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: so much more finishing ability with her with her feet

680
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: and hands than Payya has ever shown. Now, I don't

681
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: want to discount Paya. I don't want to discount the

682
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: improvements she made giving I'm giving you a real I mean,

683
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: that's the point of the show, is putting your reputation

684
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: on the line that maybe these people are watching going

685
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: fuck that guy a factory town piece of shit.

686
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: That's me.

687
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: But I'm here to fire you the hell up. And

688
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: my point is this what gains to the game. Because

689
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: Juliana Painna was better on that night than she had

690
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: ever showed into previous four fights in what she went

691
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: to into. So what type of growth are we not

692
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: looking at it into this one? Can't she put a

693
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: pace on a Manda?

694
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: Here's what that is? That the way to go.

695
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: Here's what I think a little bit different fights. Maybe

696
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm okay am I overreaching by saying by asking this,

697
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: like what would be what would be the common denominators

698
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: between the win by Pinya and the wind by Zingano.

699
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: Like a wrestler who kind of punches with intensity. Not

700
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: necessarily the best mechanics, but you know, there's a certain

701
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of you know, these wrestlers.

702
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: Like they they're also trying to manhandle you.

703
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: There's a certain kind of possessive, right put it kind

704
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: of put that intensity on her because if you stand

705
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: at range with her. Okay, in this case, that didn't

706
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: really work out that well because of the jab, but

707
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: in general, stand a range with her like Chevchenko did

708
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: in the rematch, that's a game Amanda can play with GDR.

709
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: She was able to go to the ground with.

710
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Him against Zinggano, against Pina, there may not be that

711
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: advantage there, so you would think, oh, but she has

712
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: more power on the feet. But I just wonder if

713
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: someone can kind of rough it up a little bit.

714
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Is that something that where that where you just put

715
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a will on her and then potentially that becomes a

716
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: problem for her.

717
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 4: Do you think that's a plausible theory at all?

718
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. Actually, I mean this, I think it's

719
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: gotta be the I think it's the only plausible theory

720
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Yeah, I think that's right.

721
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's what makes it sort of

722
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 5: fascinating it's the reason it becomes a big event in

723
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: my mind is because of this. There are so many

724
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: questions that you're like, wait a minute, but did what

725
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: we just watch is that really the Is that the reality?

726
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: And to be honest, if Pania goes in there and

727
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 5: catches her and starts like doing that again, it wouldn't

728
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: be that surprising. It would be sort of like hope, man,

729
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: she just has her number. She has her number, you know,

730
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 5: and that happens all the time. It has that kind

731
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: of feel to it. But it's just kind of it's

732
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 5: crazy because aman in Nuna is where she was at,

733
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 5: you know, to drop to in a row to somebody

734
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: like Julianapanna would be pretty nutty, man. I mean the

735
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 5: first one, the first one is crazy.

736
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: But to do it again, I mean, this would be

737
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: Julia the world and me specifically on this couch. Even

738
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: though by the way, Juliane opinion, I love your fantastic interview,

739
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: love your spirit. This would be a way of her

740
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: telling you, like f off, she's going to have to

741
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: She made a big leap.

742
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: In that first fight. Obviously, I think it's the biggest

743
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: upset in my history. She's going to make almost a

744
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: bigger leap this time around.

745
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: If she's going to be an Amanda who's coming in

746
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: and refocused, got presumably in the best shape. She certainly

747
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: not slowed down because the damage is Amanda a step

748
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: slower than the one who won the title against Meshia

749
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: two hundred, probably six years later, but she's still pretty

750
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: much there, you see.

751
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Is there a.

752
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Boxing not so much in the women's divisions per se,

753
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: but is there a boxing equivalent where someone beat someone else?

754
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: You could say buster the thesis, but they never rematched.

755
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Then they had a rematch and the person who rematched

756
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: who was widely expected to win.

757
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: The first example, lem me here one of the biggest

758
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: upsets in sort of the last twenty years.

759
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: You remember Ricardo.

760
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Mayoga who went yes, of course, the shit talker, the

761
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: Nico Waguan said he was going.

762
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: To drink Oscar de la Hoya's wife's breast.

763
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

764
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: He fights Vernon Forrest after the late Vernon Forest beats

765
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Shane Moseley twice, becomes pofer pot Number one in the

766
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: world in some publications. Is a tall, long welterweight Al

767
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: Hayman's first fighter that he had before launch of years

768
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: before the lunch of the PBC and Mark Maoga goes

769
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: in there, in to Mecula and they fight and everyone's

770
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: favorite Forest to win. This could be kind of a

771
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: showcase fight, and Myoga lures him into a brawl and

772
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: he stops him and I think the second or third round,

773
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: and it's one of the great upsots.

774
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: Ever.

775
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: After the fight, he's drinking out of a beer mug.

776
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: Larry Merchant gives him a cigarette. He's spoke and he's

777
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: doing the whole gig. Well, then they have a rematch

778
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, Forrest is going to right the wrong.

779
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: Out boxes him and wins the rematch and you're like, oh, okay.

780
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: That didn't go to script. That's one of those rare incidents.

781
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: You explained that that he could beat Moseley but not

782
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: my Yorgan.

783
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: I know, it's entime.

784
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: You know, styles make fights, but sometimes you know, it's

785
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: why MMA and boxing.

786
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Math don't work.

787
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 3: It's why Ken Norton can almost look like he beat

788
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: Ali twice. I know one time he kind of got

789
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: screwed and you know, he broke Ali's jaw and beat

790
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: him the first time. And just like some guys just

791
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 3: have it against somebody else. If Pania wins this, I

792
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: mean put some respect on her name.

793
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: Soak that name in respect.

794
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: I mean light it on the I mean, yes, she's

795
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: gonna have to earn it, because I do believe that

796
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: a man has got enough left in the tank to

797
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: come back and right that wrong, more of a GSP

798
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: Sarah style than any of these other fights that we're

799
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: comparing it to. Yes, I do agree with that this

800
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: is an uphill battle for me, skill for skill for Pinia.

801
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: She's gonna have to show it on the ground if

802
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: it gets there where she could potentially have an advantage,

803
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: but she's got to show it in a big way

804
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: on the feet. I think by putting out a pace

805
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: might be the only avenue. But here's the deal. Most

806
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: people don't know this, Luke. When I was the hometown

807
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: reporter and Naugatuck you know, in two thousand and one

808
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: and Noggy High football been getting on Thanksgiving David Beginning.

809
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: Gazette, we've been getting our ass kicked by and Sonia

810
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: and Stanford Steve from Sports Center, you know my guy

811
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: right there.

812
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: So you know we had a chance that year. So

813
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: I wrote a letter and like broken, like written like

814
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: you know some letters different.

815
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Sides and help need money, and it was like, you know,

816
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: you pansies, You're gonna lose again.

817
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: And I sent it to the Nougatok High School football

818
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: office and then I drove Dan Sony and put it

819
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: in the mailbox there so it had the right stamp.

820
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: I never heard of it, but I'm sure at one

821
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: point in practice they opened it up one day and

822
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: they read it to the team, and those motherfuckers.

823
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: I am going. So if I'm Nina Nunas right now, that.

824
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: Is the saddest thing.

825
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: I think. I know that that they put that in

826
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: the papers reader right away. You don't understand something.

827
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: In ninety three, when I was a sophomore, we won

828
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: the States had when we beat Antonia.

829
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: Steve coffin what would beat you? That year? There were

830
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: grown men in the crowd crying.

831
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: The same thing happened in No One And by the way,

832
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: after I wrote that letter, what happened on Thanksgiving?

833
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: We beat them fourteen to thirteen.

834
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: And those are like the only two wins we have

835
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: in the last thirty years.

836
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: But if I'm needing a new nest, you know.

837
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: What I do.

838
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: I call out Darren Ravel, I say Darren, I need

839
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: you to go back on your on your tweet spree.

840
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: I need you to tweet out that she's not a

841
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: star and she never will be. That she was, you know,

842
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: the fake go and she got. I would need her

843
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: to do that because Amanda needs somebody to like to

844
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: like tell the line it's that yo, you're domesticated, you're

845
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: sleeping in them silk cheats. We need Amanda used to

846
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: sleep on the floor mma masters.

847
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: We need that one to.

848
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Come out a long way to get seventy If seventy

849
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: percent of.

850
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: That woman comes back, this is a one sided re match.

851
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: And I think you understand that. I don't know that

852
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: to be true.

853
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: I think that that's true.

854
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: You're protecting bbl's always.

855
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: Well okay, I mean, if she says she's doing what

856
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 5: she's if you're an awful person, but I'm sorry. I mean,

857
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 5: if she says that she's living at the gym and

858
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: the sort of thing, you're like, all right, well, I

859
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 5: feel like you're on the right track.

860
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chuck, Thank you for saying what needed to

861
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: be said. By the way, you don't care about your

862
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: own alma mater. That hardcore some grown metal wear like

863
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: frat shirts on podcasts and stuff to represent their college frat.

864
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: You wouldn't represent your like my high school a high

865
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: school man.

866
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: I didn't peak in high school, buddy, did I? But

867
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I have to respect. I have respect though I'm peaking

868
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: right nineties though right now, Chuck, you would say you're

869
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: peaking right now. That's like other higher Chuck, You've known

870
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: me for like fifteen years, right right now, this is

871
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: the best BC there ever was, right.

872
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: It's not saying people don't know I used to be

873
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: trust editor for a short season that you really short season?

874
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: Are all star team of writers Chad Dundas, Chuck, Minden Hall,

875
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: Brett Oa Kamoto, Josh Gross.

876
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: Wow, I missing some couple of bums in there, but

877
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: they're good ones like me too. I mean, I'm just

878
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: And it was named Darius. He was I was the backup. Yeah,

879
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: he was like an editor. I ended up succeeding him.

880
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: And and people forget that was you know the m

881
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: mayor at or ESPN.

882
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: That was true man twenty sixteen, you know, right front

883
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: page Collins and.

884
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: How did they have you behind the scenes.

885
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: That's what I think now, that's what the you know,

886
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: like a couple of coming. Like us with Julianapinia, we

887
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: didn't know what once you got out from behind man,

888
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: we didn't know what we had.

889
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: And you know, the triumph of the of the human

890
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: spirit is me sitting in this chair right now.

891
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is actually is true.

892
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: I love Chuck, don't you? Because Chuck's chucks Q rating

893
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: with the crowd to be fair so hot higher than

894
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: half of this Malka staff.

895
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: Typically normally oh higher than ninety nine percent.

896
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: Of so high. Anyway, have good opinions? What's it like

897
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: being beloved? We don't get into this much.

898
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 5: I think I'd rather be polarizing, you know what I mean.

899
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 5: I like Luke here. I feel like he gets he

900
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 5: gets both sides.

901
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: That's kind of yeah. Look, you do have a lot

902
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: of people that just.

903
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: Fact. I love those my old interns that I fired.

904
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: They're all going to get pretty better. Uh neither here, No,

905
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: it's bound neither here nor there.

906
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: So what wait, you got a time that you gotta

907
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: be on track? We we can't have fun.

908
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: I would like to have the conversation to be remotely coherent.

909
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: There we go there, But getting back to the main

910
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: event itself, what what are you expecting Chuck. I mean,

911
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: obviously you can go any number of directions, but what

912
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: are you expecting so.

913
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: Well, in my gut of guts, I'm basically thinking that

914
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 5: Nonaz comes back and we see the first round played

915
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: out over five or as long as it takes for

916
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 5: her to get the job done. Okay, that's still what

917
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: I think happen different flight. Yeah, I think that, you know,

918
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 5: just in watching that fight, there was just a moment

919
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 5: where it just seemed like it just kind of went

920
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 5: haywire for her and she wasn't able to recover. I

921
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 5: just think that she'll guard against that. You know, she

922
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: knows that jab, you know she's that second round. It

923
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: tells you everything you need to know, Like it's pretty

924
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: evident what happened. I just think that she goes back

925
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: to being who she was in that first round, you know,

926
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: and she's able to do that as long as she wants.

927
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 5: I could see it being on one side fight if

928
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: it goes the other way though, this is what's fun

929
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 5: about the fight. It's like it won't be shocking like

930
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 5: it was the first time, right because you just be like,

931
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: she really does have a man of neun as his number.

932
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: I just don't think so though I kind of lean

933
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: towards it's not a fluke, but it was just a wee,

934
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: like you said, a really bad night at the office

935
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 5: where it got very existentially bad for her quickly, and

936
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 5: then she loses.

937
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: What about the idea of BC that like, it's not

938
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: that she has her number in particular, but that she

939
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: has a particular way of I guess it would be

940
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the same thing a different way of saying it, but

941
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: that she has a particular way of unlocking Amanda's weekness.

942
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder is there any hangover tied to this?

943
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: Is there any hangover in the mental advantage that Juliana

944
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: has of knowing I stood take your took your best

945
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: stuff that you had that night, and you're the one

946
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: that was down.

947
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: You're the one that you can't say Amanda didn't land

948
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: on that. It wasn't like Juliana won va A and

949
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: pray like Julianna punching that dude. Let's give let's give

950
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: Juliana her flower.

951
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: She's tough as shit mentally, she has mentally she has

952
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: been through it. Okay, if you really find out her backstory,

953
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: she has fucking ben through it.

954
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: So I don't expect her to implode. So yeah, I

955
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: needed Amanda to be you know, the Amanda of old.

956
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: But here's the deal.

957
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: Is there a scenario in which Amanda's waiting for Juliana

958
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 3: take the lead.

959
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: Juliana says, I'll dancey.

960
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Out at this, and we see we see a Rose

961
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: versus h versus Wayley part two type of bout play out.

962
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: Is there any potential of that? I can't see both

963
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: being okay with leaving it to chance like that, right.

964
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: I think someone's gonna ge finished pretty confident about pretty comf.

965
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: You right now?

966
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, my earpiece was really uh no, I

967
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: think I just don't see like that gutsy wind that

968
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: a man to turn in to beat GDR. Kind of

969
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: wrestling and clinching and slowing the fight down. That's not

970
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: really on the table here because the weaknesses of GDR

971
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: are not weaknesses of Juliana Penia and vice versas.

972
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: Neither there all the strengths.

973
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: So you would imagine that you've already seen like you know, listen,

974
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: remember Juliana's face was like fucked up after that fight.

975
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: She took a big ass several big ass shots.

976
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: She's either gonna get her lights punched out on the

977
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: feet or on the ground, or she's gonna conversely, Juliana's

978
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna punch her lights out or choke her out.

979
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: That's it.

980
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Or I guess the minute too or we know what

981
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: comes at the end limb extension. What I mean, that's it.

982
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's I would of all the things I

983
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: am confident about, I am confident. It doesn't see the

984
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: judges very confident.

985
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 5: You like three hundred. You think that's a You think

986
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: that's too too much, dude.

987
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: You know me, man, Like, when bad shit starts happening

988
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: in the fight game, a lot of other bad shit

989
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: follows right behind.

990
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: And this is the thing.

991
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: This sounds obvious, but you should think about it for

992
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: a second.

993
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: Someone said this to me once, and I'm gonna change

994
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: it a little bit to make it makes sense. But

995
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, if you're a UFC champion, you need

996
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: to expect two things. One, your championship ring is going

997
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: to end, which I know is obvious, but you need

998
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: to accept that. And two, it might happen sooner than

999
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: you think, might happen way sooner than you think. And

1000
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: they there's a reluctance to accept that.

1001
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: So I'm still living on the same left hangover gusto

1002
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: of the feelings I had coming into the first fight

1003
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: that Sorry, guys, you know, fighter for fighter, this isn't

1004
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: the matchup you're thinking it's gonna be one sided. I'm

1005
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: still living on those Oh no, she's still around. The

1006
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: Lioness is still coming through that door. Yeah, I mean

1007
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: the lion could have her nails.

1008
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: On her best night.

1009
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a woman on earth who beats

1010
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: her no on her best night. There is not a

1011
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: person that exists.

1012
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: She's tough at shiit mentally too.

1013
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: That's why it was still surprised one hundred dude, Like

1014
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: you go through seasons in your life, well, all of

1015
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: that can change and they're hard to hold on to

1016
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's hard to recognize it in real time

1017
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: and all kind.

1018
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 5: Of come fight night, I just want to see her

1019
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: walking out focus. No, no nana, no baby, no kid.

1020
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: I just want all that off off screen.

1021
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: Chuck is a focus.

1022
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: I know you're like, yo, fuck them kids, but this

1023
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: is the this is the one good part about this

1024
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: matchup in terms of what you Sometimes it's hard to

1025
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: know exactly what lesson to infer from a loss, but

1026
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: because Amanda is so good and because she has accomplished

1027
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: so much, if she loses again, yes, credit will go

1028
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: to Juliana. I want to be very clear about that.

1029
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: That is an enormous accomplishment. But I think it would

1030
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: also tell you that there was something not so much

1031
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: about the skills of Amanda new Nest, but there was

1032
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: something about what's happening in her life that really impacted her.

1033
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: What happened, let's just say she goes on still the

1034
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: fatherweight champion.

1035
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: Does it changed change debate?

1036
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: Gosh, that's a because because Scott Cooker's out there beating

1037
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: that drum that Cyborg still has it.

1038
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I felt if anyone deserved a rematch,

1039
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: it didn't get it. It was Demetrius Johnson after losing

1040
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: the REMSSS too, and then he got traded away instantly,

1041
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: and it was Cyborg against Amanda because Amanda, to her credit,

1042
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: found Cyborg's weakness, which is her willingness to brawl a

1043
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: lerder into that and just had better stuff in that

1044
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: moment and knocked her out.

1045
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Does it bring Cyborg back in the picture.

1046
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Cyborg has had seasons where the level of

1047
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: competition has varied.

1048
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: You have to admit that, right, based on just where

1049
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: the sport was.

1050
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 5: At that time.

1051
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: Yes, but she's also evolved with those times, She's also

1052
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: gotten better.

1053
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 3: She's also very good as an older fighter quote unquote

1054
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: now in terms of you know, being more efficient and

1055
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: all that, I don't know.

1056
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Amanda still knocked out a very top form

1057
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: version of her. Does Amanda still stay?

1058
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean, how close is this GOP based right now

1059
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: between not between not only Amanda and Cyborg at one

1060
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: and two? Is there anyone else that deserves like Valentina

1061
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: even with the whole hum performance against Tyler Santos, should

1062
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: she also be at this table right now?

1063
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure, I think he's in the conversation.

1064
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1065
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: I just think the way that march that Amanda Noon

1066
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: has had through home tape one hall of Famer and legend.

1067
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: I mean it was and a lot of finishes finishes

1068
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: in bantam waite.

1069
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: When anybody I remember for the home fight, we were

1070
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: all kind of like, hope's be interesting fight on the feet. Nope,

1071
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: No man to shut that ship up real fast.

1072
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: She's like kunk, Nope. I'm a big fan of Maheta's marriage.

1073
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's very good, dude.

1074
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: No one is more obsessed with the minutia of fighter romance.

1075
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Fighter on Fighter romance.

1076
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: T Sha and Rocky just celebrated six years. No, I'm

1077
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: not saying right around the same time you and I

1078
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: celebrated three.

1079
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: So wow, I'm definitely I'm definitely the T shirt this relationship.

1080
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the fuck that means. Okay, well,

1081
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: I guess I guess that would be Yeah, I guess

1082
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: i'd do the.

1083
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: Rock You're just hard to read, hard to get to.

1084
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: Just just stop.

1085
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: All right.

1086
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 5: There are times I really am the fifth wheel.

1087
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: In this No no, no, no, You're the lettuce on

1088
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: the burger, you know the.

1089
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the lettuce, the least healthy. And people love

1090
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: this guy, right, He's like he's like the bacon. He's like,

1091
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: if Juliana Pinion wins, we should move on to the

1092
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: other fights in the car. But yes, really, because there's

1093
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: a lot of else there's a lot of other topics

1094
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: talking about the fill the show.

1095
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: Thank you for being so anal, But Luke, he had

1096
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: more of your diabetes drinks. Hey, at least I'm, you know,

1097
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: man enough to put this on my body.

1098
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, did you fill that up again.

1099
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 2: I thought, all right, all right, all right.

1100
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: That tall boy Juliana Panye with the second one over

1101
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: a Manda Newness. If she's going to be a star,

1102
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: she's gonna have a chance to be, you know, and

1103
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: she could talk and talk.

1104
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: She's she's she's the deal.

1105
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: Do you put her into a how soon do you

1106
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: put her into a Valentina fight? I mean, how soon

1107
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: do you just say? What's the max week? What's the

1108
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: biggest thing?

1109
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 4: First fight?

1110
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: It's real fun if you go back and watch it, man,

1111
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, uh well, it's a great question.

1112
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: I hadn't even thought about that when you're.

1113
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: Trying to argue back that that that she was better

1114
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: than we remember in that fight.

1115
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Opinion, Yeah, and that makes.

1116
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 5: Me in control large portions of that fight. I don't

1117
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 5: know the last time you if you just watched it

1118
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 5: on fighting, but like you go back and watch it,

1119
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 5: she controls I'd say seventy five percent of that fight.

1120
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: The takedown, right, and then she.

1121
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 5: Puts her on the fence a couple of times, the chipschanker.

1122
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 5: You can see her waiting for that need to come

1123
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 5: up or she's sending she just trips her down a

1124
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 5: couple of times that was where the offense was coming

1125
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: the other way, and then she catches her in the

1126
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 5: armbar in the second time because she was getting bumbled

1127
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: a little bit.

1128
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: You know, she just humanized and showed that if you

1129
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: have that wrestling style and if you're physically legit and

1130
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: you can stand in there.

1131
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: I would say this if you beat a Manda new

1132
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: Nes twice, and especially of like you know she to

1133
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: your point, I think it's absolutely right, it's undeniable. A

1134
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: lot of that first win is will over skill. But

1135
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: what if in the second, a second fight, it's a

1136
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: little bit more of a mix where some skill actually

1137
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: comes into play.

1138
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: You beat Amanda.

1139
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Nuns back to back, you deserve a lot of respect, checko.

1140
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: Especially if you do it in some different manner. I

1141
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: think that that would speak volumes. If you're able to

1142
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: do it in some way where you're like what she

1143
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: did again but in a totally different way than we expected,

1144
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 5: that's that would speak volumes for her.

1145
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: Okay, connected to this argument, but the final topic on it,

1146
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you care, but I do

1147
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: the Cyberg.

1148
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: Ever fight again in the UFC?

1149
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: No, Okay, No, I haven't given that two seconds of thought.

1150
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: No, no, that is absolutely never going to work.

1151
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: That's the earliest Kiala Harrison could fight in the UFC.

1152
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five something like that.

1153
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Is it.

1154
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: I don't even know what her contract is on.

1155
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: So look, I'm just trying to build.

1156
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: If Juliana Pania wins this and she's got a chance

1157
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: to fight Valentine, and do you have a chance to

1158
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: make big fights I'm trying to think of those dance

1159
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: partners could be. It's the same conversation of who would

1160
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: be left for Amanda outside of a third.

1161
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 4: Tell me what they say in my ear, because this

1162
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 4: thing's killed.

1163
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying shit.

1164
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're Amanda and you win this

1165
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: and you gain it back and it's like okay, bumping

1166
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: the road, I fixed it?

1167
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: Who is it?

1168
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: And you were both your eyes must face in terms

1169
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: of just rounding out that legacy?

1170
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: Is there anyone left that's do you have to wish?

1171
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: I would love to see that, but at some point

1172
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: it's going I mean, dude, I I just think for

1173
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: those I think that door's closed.

1174
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: You do you don't think Kayla could go two years

1175
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: of PFL come right back and be a pay per view.

1176
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I think Kayla to the UFC is very possible and open,

1177
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: But the idea of her fighting Amanda when it matters

1178
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: is almost short to not happen.

1179
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: That's another thing.

1180
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: You can get a late model version of it, though. Seriously,

1181
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: if Amanda, even if I think about this.

1182
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 4: I got late model versions of Chuck versus Vander and

1183
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: some other ones. They don't do much.

1184
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a late model version they got. Okay,

1185
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: But but here's the deal.

1186
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: When we talk about if Amanda loses what to do

1187
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: to the goat chip whatever, she's still the featherweight champion.

1188
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: There's a scenario in which she still hangs on as

1189
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: the featherweight champion for his activisions.

1190
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: Willing to be that.

1191
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: Title confers as much benefits as it's difficulty.

1192
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that makes Kayla fight in a

1193
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: year and half not impossible.

1194
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Okay, not impossible, certainly not.

1195
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: But I think if a man unas you know again,

1196
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I think if Payna goes in there

1197
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: and wins, to Chuck's point in a different way where

1198
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: grappling is involved, and she's looking really good and You're like, God, damn,

1199
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: she's kind of putting it on her, even though there's

1200
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: even though Newnas is a black belt jiu jitsu, like

1201
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: you have to imagine in a year and a half,

1202
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Kayla would be, you know, very capable.

1203
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: Of replicating something like that.

1204
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll have to see, okay on your comaine,

1205
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: right and your comaine.

1206
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: There are other fights on the car.

1207
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: They're not as good.

1208
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: They're not as good, but they are. This is actually

1209
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. How about this one, Brandon Moreno,

1210
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: we thought it was gonna fight Devison Figuredo didn't have

1211
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: fourth time for the fourth time, yes, because he's fought

1212
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: him back to back to well, I think there was

1213
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: one in between. But any case, coming off of a

1214
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: Devison Figuraedo fight, it's not gonna happen. We'll talk about

1215
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: that in just a minute. But instead it's Kai Car

1216
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: France c k B. Fresh off a fucking house cleaning.

1217
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: For the most part, fucking great fight, dude, This is a.

1218
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: Super sick fight.

1219
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Figuredo just a moment, but I gotta

1220
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: tell you this is the best Kai Car France has

1221
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: ever looked. I did not think Morena looked bad in

1222
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: the third fight with FIGI, how much do you like

1223
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: this fight?

1224
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 5: I like it from an action standpoint, that's it. No,

1225
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: I mean I like it in general, but I you know,

1226
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 5: the interroom title thing is always a little weird.

1227
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: But it's a war on the hot on the A

1228
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: pretty girl's hot face. Yeah, I'd take that girl downtown,

1229
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: but that thing's staring at me. That thing's kind of

1230
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: so an area code, you know what I mean.

1231
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Dude, you talk like I talked when I was nineteen,

1232
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: Like that's what you do if you do that war.

1233
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1234
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, my god, I must have been the

1235
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: world's biggest douchebag in nineteen.

1236
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: Holy fuck my life. Oh no, but it's it's it's

1237
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: a good fight.

1238
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 5: I do like the idea of First of all, you know,

1239
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 5: it is the first time Mareno's fought somebody other than

1240
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: Figuredo since what twenty twenty, Like you know, it's been

1241
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 5: three fights in a row, so it'd be fun to

1242
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: see kind of some how yeah, how he's looking and

1243
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 5: a guy who's like surging right now, a couple of

1244
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 5: big knockouts, you know, for France. I like it, man,

1245
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 5: I just think it's uh, it'll deliver. I feel like

1246
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 5: it's guaranteed to deliver. I hate saying that, but I

1247
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: feel like it's guaranteed.

1248
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: This what has changed for KK France Because he used

1249
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: to be a respected guy, won some loss some had

1250
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: really seemed to be figuring out.

1251
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: He's figured it out. So what the hell's the difference? Yeah,

1252
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: a couple things. Game has gotten a little bit more

1253
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: well rounded.

1254
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: So some of those maybe he wasn't ever bad at wrestling, right,

1255
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: he was never bad at those, but.

1256
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: But it's definitely gotten a lot better. It's got a

1257
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: lot better.

1258
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: And I would also say, like his disengagement from any

1259
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: kind like he just knows how to get in and

1260
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: out of graphic situations much more nimbly. Still on the

1261
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: floor of Brandon Royvale type is you know, like jiu

1262
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: jitsu for jiu jitsu is gonna give him problems, but

1263
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: his ability to engage and disengage has become much more

1264
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: scientific and more to the point, his striking was always good,

1265
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: but you're like, you're seeing him land much more.

1266
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: Cleanly these days. That's timing. I feel like his time

1267
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: gotten really sharp. Is he he's of the c KB mold.

1268
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: He's proving in terms of ability.

1269
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: But it's like when when you have a brand, now

1270
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: you figure everyone that's coming out of this is going

1271
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: to have that one key intangible to the same.

1272
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: It just so happens a Volkanovski right now and out

1273
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: of sign here.

1274
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 3: Or two of the smartest fighters we've ever seen, along

1275
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: with being two of the most technical. Do you think

1276
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: up to this point, KK France is showing himself cerebrally

1277
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: to be sort of what that gym represents. Not everyone's

1278
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 3: gonna be the same, right You got Carlos Oldberg who's

1279
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: just probably slamming chicks in those dms right now.

1280
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: He's got skills.

1281
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: Can you can you imagine his d Yeah, I mean

1282
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: like when you look like that and your job is

1283
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: that I remember his last win, he'd like knocked out

1284
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: this dude in like a first round.

1285
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: Can you imagine his deep.

1286
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, has France won you over mentally on that level?

1287
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: Well?

1288
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: The guard brand fight was the one that did it

1289
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 5: for me because he refused to kind of engage in

1290
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 5: any kind of like gunfight with Garb Brandt. He really

1291
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: picked the shots and then we he went in. He

1292
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 5: had the poise when he landed a big shot that

1293
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 5: kind of staggered him. He had this very good pois

1294
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 5: for the next I don't know, forty five seconds sequence

1295
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: before he put him away. He just kind of walked

1296
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 5: him down. It was like, but he didn't.

1297
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: He didn't.

1298
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 5: He wasn't overly aggressive swagger. He's got it. The whole

1299
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 5: thing was, Yeah, you could see it. You could see

1300
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 5: whatever he's got going on. It was very smart. His

1301
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 5: approach to that fight was very smart. He was poised,

1302
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 5: and then that's when I felt like he was probably

1303
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 5: going to be a title type of guy.

1304
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: So, dude, his last win was over. Are you talking

1305
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: about the Askarov?

1306
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I was talking about the garbarrand oh yeah, but but

1307
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: the askarof fight, that is a fight that the old

1308
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: Kai car France would have lost because that guy would

1309
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: have tied him up and not like MISSI beat his ass,

1310
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: but probably controlled the wrestling and grappling exchanges just enough

1311
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: to stay ahead or maybe you know, put a comfortable lead,

1312
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: and then Kay car France would have lost some kind

1313
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: of decision.

1314
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: Was the ask slightly compromised, Like we found out after

1315
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: the fact, there was some type of injury or something

1316
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 3: that was slightly Kai.

1317
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: Car France is healthy all the time. This is the no.

1318
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying I want to see that again.

1319
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: I still think Guess gets back. He's the the beat

1320
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: of one twenty five, and I think you know that he.

1321
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: Could be I'm willing to entertain. I'm willing to entertain

1322
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: that theory. But either way he would have lost that.

1323
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: And the point I'm trying to make is it wasn't

1324
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: like he eked by in that fight. He fought extremely capably,

1325
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: very capably. You're asking about the improvements. It's that kind

1326
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: of shit. The ship that would have derailed him previously

1327
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: because he's been hyped up since he was on The

1328
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: ultimohos we're talking about with The Ultimate Fighter was a

1329
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: you camera guy.

1330
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: That's Drew the camera guy, and that's Gable. His name

1331
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: is insignificant to me. He's a pet.

1332
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make is we were talking

1333
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: about it in the season of The Ultimate Fighter. Was

1334
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: I was long a luke who was saying like, oh,

1335
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: he really liked that season. Ky car France was brought

1336
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: in as this sort of oceanic champion.

1337
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: His dad's Australian.

1338
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, that mothering astro turfing over here Anyway,

1339
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to make is he's always had a

1340
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: little bit.

1341
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: Of that promise.

1342
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: He's been surrounded by greatness and couldn't break through, and

1343
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: couldn't break through, had nice wins, couldn't break through.

1344
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like your career until now.

1345
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: Dude, your understanding of my career is so bad. Either way,

1346
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: he does finally break through with this ASCAR fight and

1347
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: gets the title fight. I will tell you that if

1348
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: you'd asked me, like two years ago, who wins Moreno

1349
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: or Kaikr of France, and I think most people still

1350
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: might pick Marino. He was hello the previous champion, But

1351
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: now I think it is a very very close fight

1352
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: to the To your point, does he represent C K

1353
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: B in that way?

1354
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: Dude?

1355
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Is he in vulgar tough acts to fall? I mean

1356
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: like you're asking a lot from a fighter.

1357
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's those guys I like, if

1358
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: they're Glavin and Maddox. He's like John Small.

1359
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: Tommy, Steve Steve Avery.

1360
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Did I live at Stadium?

1361
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: I saw the Brains playing Fulton kind of state when

1362
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: I was a kid, before Turner Field everything. Uh, yeah,

1363
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: he's he's Steve Avery. Where he wasn't the aces, but

1364
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: on him the right night.

1365
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's striking out the side with like a quickness. Yeah.

1366
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: I would have liked to been like the fourth friend

1367
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: in David Justice's like nightclub pack in Atlanta. I mean

1368
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: like like like the guy who holds the door for

1369
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: them and like make sure they.

1370
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Have enough baughterers.

1371
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: I heard I used to get busy in Atlanta when

1372
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: he was a pro athlete. Was Andrew Jones?

1373
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: I heard Andrew Drkons tear it up?

1374
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's hilarious his kid.

1375
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: Can you imagine what Dion Sanders did when he was

1376
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: playing for the Falcons and the Braves at the same time.

1377
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't watch baseball, but I saw this meme that

1378
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: shows you how old you are the number one and

1379
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 3: two picks in the amateur draft where Matt Holliday's kid

1380
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: and Andrew Jones's kid.

1381
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: Wow, oh fuck, that's what he's saying. We are why

1382
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: are we talking? Nobody is a fuck.

1383
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: I don't believe the interim should be in place. I

1384
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: do believe the fight is perfect.

1385
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: Is Marino just like? But what went wrong for Marino?

1386
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: And I mean figuredo. I have a great answer for this.

1387
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: I have a great answer for this dude. Sometimes the

1388
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: Henry Sahudo effect is a little over sold. He obviously

1389
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: is an enormously talented fighter, great champion of wrestling, great

1390
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: double champion in MMA. He's the real deal. But he

1391
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: can't make everybody something that they're not. He cannot guarantee wins.

1392
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Nobody can. However, I think for Figaredo he did wonders

1393
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: for him, not so much in did he make his

1394
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu better? That motherfucker jiu jitsu was amazing already.

1395
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: But what he did do was tighten up.

1396
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: His decision making big time.

1397
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: When to do things, what to do, what's the right approach?

1398
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: How do we get the win? How do we advance position?

1399
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: When do we advance position? All that shit, And what

1400
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: he didn't do was look at this fucking guy. Look

1401
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: at this fucking guy. Dude, you can't, I mean, what

1402
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: was going on?

1403
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 4: Dude?

1404
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: Imagine you were like, I'm gonna sign my career to

1405
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: do a show with an orang atank.

1406
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: That's why do you have to look at me?

1407
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: That he hates This guy hates intimacy so much he

1408
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: doesn't even want you to look at him.

1409
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: He's like, fucking Dan Snyder. There's always rules. Don't look

1410
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: at me. All three ways have rules? No, why contact?

1411
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: What was that you're talking about? I don't even remember?

1412
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Oh about the Henrison hude? So dude, what he did

1413
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: for Figaredo was if you watched that last fight, between

1414
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: the second fight and the third fight, what was the

1415
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: big difference. Figaredo just did not make it a moreno fight.

1416
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: He didn't make it a scramble fest. He didn't make

1417
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: it a slug fest. He didn't make it I go one,

1418
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: then you go one, then I go one, then you

1419
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: go one. He didn't make a trade. He didn't turn

1420
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: into an offensive trade all the time. And as a consequence,

1421
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: Marino had nothing to build off of, at least not

1422
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: much to build off of by virtue of some of

1423
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: the better choices Figure was making.

1424
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: I give Henry shudo and by the way.

1425
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Shouts to our guy, you know him, Captain America.

1426
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh dude, Eric, dude, I know he's just saying Eric

1427
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: al I funk with Eric Albar love that guy. Man,

1428
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: he's a major fit in the right he puts on

1429
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: he thought, listen, I love coach Eric. If you're watching this,

1430
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: you're great. But he shows up looking like a guy.

1431
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: I don't understand he has clothes. I don't understand he.

1432
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: Has he says, ship, I don't understand he would robe.

1433
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 5: That you were talking about, he would wear it on.

1434
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: Ironically, dude, you should have seen that.

1435
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 4: We saw him. He was sending us. I'll say this nicely.

1436
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 4: He was sending us.

1437
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: What's that message is when we were all at the

1438
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Mayweather versus Paul fight.

1439
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: Oh he was drunk and ship captain coach, you were

1440
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: druggism And dude.

1441
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: You should have seen the glasses, don't he his big

1442
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: ass glasses with these Like, dude, the chain was diamond studded.

1443
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: I'd never see it was like it was like, who's

1444
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: a Calvin ford Is?

1445
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: Is a Gervante's trainer? Who's who's the guy the inspiration

1446
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 2: behind the character.

1447
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: But have you seen those big ass chains he has

1448
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: for the glasses? So he just is a sore weirdo.

1449
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: He puts on a vibe like he's a maniac, and

1450
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is a maniac. He's also a fucking

1451
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: very good coach and he is the pitbull brothers are

1452
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: not successful.

1453
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 5: Reiculous guy.

1454
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Dude, he is obsessive obsessive, and so I think that

1455
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: the dude, I think that those guys.

1456
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: It's like Dayne Love with Team Alfa male.

1457
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: It wouldn't work for everyone, but for the right kind

1458
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: of fighter, in the right cons scenario, it does wonders.

1459
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 5: Remember when Peanut Butter and over the shelf, you know

1460
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 5: what I'm talking about.

1461
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 4: I know he doesn't know.

1462
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: I know this. I thought.

1463
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: Do you know remember when Anne Wolf, the former the

1464
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame now Women's boxer, became a trainer for

1465
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: James Kirkland and she had the like old school dog style.

1466
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: She would hang a heavy bag on the front of

1467
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: her truck and she would drive it sorry, uh, she

1468
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: would drive it at him. So you have to like

1469
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: put I mean like there was just like sick things

1470
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: that she would do, and it made him like he

1471
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: was the perfect Uh, he was wired.

1472
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: Perfectly for that to work with. It's not for everybody,

1473
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: but it could turn you know, zeros into heroes. Look,

1474
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: if you've you know, well, you can see the alcohol

1475
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: hit what you can see? Finally, all right, what's better

1476
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: for what's the biggest time for the wheel? Yeah? What's

1477
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: the better scenario?

1478
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: Though?

1479
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 5: Because obviously this is being a stand and fight for

1480
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: the one that was supposed to happen. What's the better

1481
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: scenario that Moreno gets us fourth fight with Figurato.

1482
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Better scenario for the UFC is that Moreno wins here.

1483
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: But you know, ka car France, it just just as good,

1484
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: better better.

1485
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 4: For who better for? Because here's the thing I I got.

1486
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how true it is because I couldn't

1487
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: double verify it, but I did hear from someone pretty

1488
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: you know who's kind of dialed in that the pay

1489
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: per views in the Oceanic region for two seventy six

1490
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: were good, like we're real good now. Their numbers were

1491
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: never going to match American numbers because paper view is

1492
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: not the same kind of thing down there, But like,

1493
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: for that market, it was pretty good. Can you imagine

1494
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: if you can throw in oh yeah, fucking champion on

1495
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: top of that raging inferna.

1496
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: The people at Timo or less Day, they'll be fired.

1497
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: The team aware this is it's an island nation.

1498
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: You said I thought you were a little more and

1499
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, I thought you were like I thought he

1500
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: was just saying work like random.

1501
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: There's a last statement.

1502
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: I can see where you're coming from.

1503
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is forgive me for doubting your geography capability.

1504
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but.

1505
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: Seriously, so you're asking better for who If you're a

1506
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: ki we MMA fan and now you've got this one,

1507
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: even if it's in a room, you know he's gonna

1508
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: fight forget dude, that is a huge fucking thing. I

1509
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: think here, what you're pointing at, what you're probably getting

1510
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: at is Marina was very popular with the American fans.

1511
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also you want to build that Mexican fan base.

1512
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: You got a brawler champion, to see him come back

1513
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: and have a chance to win it in a fourth

1514
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: fight against somebody. I mean, are we concerned at all

1515
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: about long term Figurado's ability to make this weight class?

1516
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: I know it's a recurring topic, but like, does has

1517
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: that changed at all? I know Figuredo now has your favors,

1518
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: got a different management team.

1519
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Hopefully he'll be getting the type of payment he deserves.

1520
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: But can he consistently make this because if he can

1521
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: make it, I mean he's even a thirty four dude,

1522
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: he can beat anybody anything. He's a freaking seven. I

1523
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: think he could.

1524
00:57:59,040 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: What about you?

1525
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 5: I haven't really been overly concerned about it. I don't

1526
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 5: know why I feel like he's maybe just got it

1527
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 5: more under control. But obviously it is a factor. I think,

1528
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 5: go to the people. That's what I tell him. He's

1529
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 5: so like eccentric and and bizarre and yeah yeah, and

1530
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 5: he's he's got those guys around. I feel like he could.

1531
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 5: I don't feel like he's fully tapped in terms of

1532
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 5: where he could go.

1533
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 2: And I feel at his body there's no more fat

1534
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: you can take off. That is true.

1535
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 5: But I feel like he I mean, obviously he's so

1536
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 5: good for the class. I just if he can stay there.

1537
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 5: I think he can. That's all I'm trying to say.

1538
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, let's see he can do

1539
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: women's hair seriously. Oh yeah, I mean he could make

1540
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: a mean.

1541
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 4: Role of sushi. He was a sushi chef.

1542
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: So and like I think he's worked on like you know,

1543
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: emmanual labor on farms and ship like that.

1544
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: D D.

1545
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: He won't get the love in this country. The English

1546
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: language barriers is a big part of it. But that's

1547
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: like Randy Gutur like that way, which one the win

1548
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: that figurator just had against Moreno, oh yes, the guy

1549
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: that just finished him in a one sided fight. He

1550
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 3: comes back and finishes at thirty four in the smallest

1551
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 3: weight class. But that's like, seriously, if he I don't

1552
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: know what he where he fits in Brazil, which has

1553
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 3: so many legends and has always has a high ranking

1554
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: pump upon hierarchy of who the best and you know,

1555
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: loved and celebrated is I don't even know if he's

1556
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: on the radar in that level.

1557
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: But dude, like this, that was a man win. That

1558
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: was a manly ass.

1559
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 4: I didn't expect it.

1560
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: I thought moreno, because after the second fight, I was like, oh,

1561
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Moreno is the better of these two?

1562
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: Now? Absolutely, you thought, Okay, there was a season that

1563
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: first fight was a great fight draw, and now it's

1564
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: going to be the younger guy everything.

1565
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: And also, like I've said this before, it says a

1566
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: general rule, and of course there are exceptions, this being

1567
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: one of them.

1568
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: In a general rule.

1569
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: In an mm A trilogy, the person who wins the

1570
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: second typically wins the third. And so, uh, I thought

1571
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: Marina was going to go in there and just kind

1572
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: of coast.

1573
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: Nope, dude, do we see a fourth and fifth with them?

1574
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the what's the possibility here?

1575
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: Fourth?

1576
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: Well, he's got to be Kay kyer Frantz obviously, but

1577
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: they're going to see each other in some form again

1578
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: for a fourth time, there's no question.

1579
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 5: But yeah, they'll see each other.

1580
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't know about a fifth to happen in this

1581
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: next fight.

1582
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean first, we got this one coming out

1583
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: for so I mean, okay, you see, how seriously do

1584
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: you take.

1585
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: Kk F's chance.

1586
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm really serious. And it's not that I doubt see

1587
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: those odds one more time.

1588
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: Moreno is also human and sometimes it does come down

1589
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: to momentum. That's why Morina's got a lot to answer here,

1590
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: coming off of a loss of that nature of For sure,

1591
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: he's still young enough and not worried about that. But

1592
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: France is the surging piece of the two, and sometimes

1593
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: in fights that matters. Like look, if all things are

1594
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: even and the only potential difference is the momentum that

1595
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: France is riding, that could mean something if they go

1596
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 3: five rounds of high speed, high paced theater.

1597
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, our friends at Caesars again, at the time

1598
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: of this recording, our friends at Caesars have Kaikar France

1599
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: as a plus one seventy Brandon Mareno minus two hundred. Wow,

1600
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: there are some other places that have him under minus

1601
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: two hundred, but it's mostly around there.

1602
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: You know KKF can win this. Okay, K's going to

1603
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: rock you.

1604
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 4: How does he do it?

1605
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: By decision?

1606
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: Don't feel like he can out wrestle Moreno. Could be wrong.

1607
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: No, it's got to be. It's got to be high

1608
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: speed boxing.

1609
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: It's got to be you know, it's got to be

1610
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: what fly weights used to be all about.

1611
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: Just spark plugs. Put him out there, now they bang.

1612
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: I think that.

1613
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 4: I think you gotta. I think you gotta.

1614
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: If you're Kai car France, I think your best bet

1615
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: is you got to draw out reactions from Moreno, and

1616
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: you got to make him pay on the in between.

1617
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: Five round thing. Obviously, I think you too. You got

1618
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: to put that pace on.

1619
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you might level changing and even clinching

1620
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: and make him work, and but you just don't want

1621
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: to find yourself in a scenario where you're losing an

1622
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: underho battle.

1623
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Now you're getting pressed up against the fence, and but

1624
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: he figure out a week. You can watch his stam

1625
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: in a degrade as the fight's happening.

1626
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: He puts so much into every strike that if you

1627
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: get him into high level.

1628
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: But I mean Moreno, like for kay car France, like,

1629
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: what is a realistic path against Moreno? I think you

1630
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: have to make him react and then catch him in

1631
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: the middle of those things, which.

1632
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: He does have the capacity to do, but it's not

1633
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: easy in.

1634
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 5: Terms of action and their styles and everything. Looking forward

1635
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 5: to this one more than the main event in terms

1636
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 5: of the actual fight itself, what it could present.

1637
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: In terms of the actual fight, it's well, yeah, yes,

1638
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: I think yes, but but I mean the questions that

1639
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: we asked about the main event are so much big.

1640
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: The action.

1641
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the action should be should be pretty interesting

1642
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: on this one.

1643
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna skip a couple of these.

1644
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: BC.

1645
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about your favorite fighter who

1646
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: is legitimately one of my favorite fighters.

1647
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: But she retired. Huh, Jessica, I retired, okay, only so strong.

1648
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: Let her walk away on her own terms.

1649
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 4: She's the one. And I saw a headlight. It was

1650
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 4: like they were selling used socks on only fings.

1651
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 3: No, that's a police, Harry. She's making a killing. Foot

1652
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: picks and use socks making a killing.

1653
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 4: I mean, dudes are the worst. So gross.

1654
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: There we'll go evil here. I'm not gonna fly uh,

1655
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: BC and it's going to open the main card. I

1656
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about it very quickly. Anthony Smith taking

1657
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: on Mega mat Anthony Smith three fight win streak all

1658
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: three by Friendish program Anthony Friend well friend of one

1659
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: half of the program anyway.

1660
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: Maybe two thirds.

1661
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: Anthony Smith is fro He is kind of factory.

1662
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: Time may approve, but I gotta say, and I'm sure

1663
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: Anthony Smith knows this because he's not a dumb guy.

1664
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: That there's the hammers in the closet and they're all

1665
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: made rushing that fucking guy he has to fight.

1666
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: Not a joke at all, all, Right?

1667
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: Is it in play that the winner of this fight,

1668
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: if done spectacularly, could cut the line and get the

1669
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: next shot?

1670
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: Is that in play?

1671
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: I know it's crowded and congested, and there's different scenarios

1672
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 3: here in terms of where this might go.

1673
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: But is that in play? A lot of people think

1674
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like it's.

1675
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 5: Not definitive yet, like what's going to happen there?

1676
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: I know that YERI said he wants Glover again. I

1677
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 3: don't know if you have automatically rewards that because they

1678
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: love Glover and they know it's going to be a

1679
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 3: great fight, right, it's going to be a freaking great

1680
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: fight through EVTCH, even if it's one side, it's going

1681
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 3: to be the kind of fight the UFC wants.

1682
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: Actually, you know what, the UFC really should run that back.

1683
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: Which one the glover one? I'm telling you they should

1684
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: rut that back.

1685
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: But you're asking, like, what's the real potential here?

1686
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1687
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that someone could really skip the line.

1688
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: Of course, you never know. Anything's possible.

1689
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: So the winner this could face Yan, Well.

1690
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: That is possible.

1691
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: Yes, that's also yes, I don't I don't know when

1692
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: Rackets is coming back. I think he's still got some

1693
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: time to heal, so he's not really relevant in that

1694
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: sense right now.

1695
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 4: I think the winner, I mean, here's the thing. For

1696
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: Smith to.

1697
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: Win this, this would you could argue not name value

1698
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: in terms of popularity because he beat Rashad, he beats Scholgun,

1699
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: But in terms of like credibility wins this might be

1700
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: the most credible win if he gets it on his resume. Conversely,

1701
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: for someone like Uncle ELIAV who had a bit of

1702
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: a performance against Thiago Santo's, I think beating a guy

1703
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: who's on a hot streak like Smith, who as is

1704
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: improved as Smith is, who is his battle test?

1705
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 2: That a smith ise?

1706
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: Yes, truly, that dude is tough.

1707
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: Some of us have always recognized his capacity for this

1708
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

1709
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: Others than not.

1710
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to invite him to the couch.

1711
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: Seriously, he'd be great, He'd be perfect talk.

1712
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: We talked to him when we were in it made

1713
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: the documentary a little bit. Me and BC, how how

1714
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: long did you talk to him in uh?

1715
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: And I didn't know how he was going to feel

1716
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: that because you know, he could have he could have

1717
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: come for the throne and I would have had you know,

1718
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: didn't take the l of course, but he was like, Yo,

1719
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: I could be I could.

1720
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: Be really mean to you right now. I'm mad, you know,

1721
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: for the ship you're talking. I'm like, you know, all

1722
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: things considered.

1723
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 3: You know, you got in the way of I've tried

1724
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: to tell I've tried, you know, I used your.

1725
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: Situation to fuck Louke the think of Anthey Smith, he

1726
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: just got caught in the way. But you know that's fine.

1727
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: That note doesn't mean what I mean about him.

1728
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: And I've told Anthony that, like when what he's really

1729
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: trying to do is stick it to me, you should

1730
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: believe him.

1731
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean, he's you should believe me too, like just

1732
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 5: for doubting him against John Jones back then. But he's

1733
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: like that though, you know what I mean, he's gonna.

1734
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 2: He should keep receipts. Look, I love it. I love it.

1735
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: No one wants to be in a situation where you

1736
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: say something stupid and then there was a receipt you get,

1737
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 3: you know, embarrassed in public. Nobody wants to be there.

1738
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 3: Although it's our job to say stuff honestly, by the way,

1739
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: the whole real talk like Mandy, like, that's a freaking job. Okay,

1740
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 3: so you should you should be stepping up to that.

1741
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: But I'm never afraid for any fighter to use something

1742
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 3: some afterthought that we gave on a podcast is fuel.

1743
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: You should use that. It's fuel, you know what I mean.

1744
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: Also, I'll take I'll take a fighter being mad and

1745
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: at least being direct about it versus the ones who

1746
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: are mad and then won't tell you what the problem is.

1747
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: Well. The reason which by the way, there's a fair

1748
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: amount of and the reason why I think they should

1749
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: too many actually.

1750
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: Thank us for this is because okay, okay, okay, I

1751
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 3: don't mean it like that.

1752
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: I mean, like, let me abuse you and then you

1753
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: can they should us. Look, that's the pulse of the moment.

1754
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: The pulse of the moment isn't always accurate, right, You're

1755
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: only grated on your most recent performance.

1756
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: So it is up to you to turn that around.

1757
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: But if you want to use the bullshit we say

1758
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: as Field, go ahead. I'm not mad at you, you

1759
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I'm not mad if you're

1760
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: mad at me, because that's what.

1761
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: They They pay me to be an asshole.

1762
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 4: You see.

1763
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: Let's set on this conversation then a little bit, which

1764
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: is to say now that you have probably had to

1765
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: rethink a little bit at least your position to Anthony Smith,

1766
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: how do you understand him as a fighter, and how

1767
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: do you understand his chances here?

1768
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: He's very consistent, he's very well rounded, he's very solid.

1769
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: He's not gonna implode on you, Okay.

1770
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: The key with him in my eyes, in terms of

1771
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: the times I get critical with him, is does he

1772
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: have that plus side to his game? Is there something

1773
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 3: about his game that isn't just a tough out in

1774
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 3: every category? You're not going to expose him in one

1775
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: side for the most part, but he also have that

1776
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: plus to come over.

1777
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: The top and win at a certain level. He does.

1778
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: He's been to this spot before, knocking on the door

1779
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: of a title shot.

1780
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: He's fought for the tuther before.

1781
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: And I always give him credit for how he handled

1782
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: that potential DH against John Jonson.

1783
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: Whether anybody cares about the value in that.

1784
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: I saw his personal values come out on that and

1785
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a real sportsman right there, kind

1786
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: of like the Michelle and Waterson Gomez with the tap

1787
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: and limos kind of you.

1788
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: Know, like that was a moment to me. I'm like,

1789
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: you know, be real in that moment.

1790
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 3: So but you know, Anthony Smith can fight on this

1791
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: level and you're not going to take advantage of him.

1792
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 3: But what is going to be that evolution to his

1793
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: game or maybe in this matchup, that opening where he

1794
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 3: can be better than that, where he can finish a

1795
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: guy or at this level, because this is a tough

1796
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: fight for Anthony Smith, he has.

1797
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: A chance to win out what the odds are. I

1798
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: think they should be respectful and close. But what is

1799
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: he not shown yet that maybe he can to get

1800
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: over this type.

1801
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 5: Of This is actually very familiar because he's he's almost

1802
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 5: patternist to the way he's kind of gone. He had

1803
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: three fight win streak. He runs into Thiago Santo's he

1804
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 5: has a three fight win streak. It's the title shot

1805
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 5: John Jones. He's on a three fright win streak. It's

1806
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: like the same thing again where he's he's putting it together.

1807
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 5: And I would say that this is the most surprising

1808
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 5: run because they're all finishes. He's looked very good after

1809
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 5: that Glover beat down. I was sort of like, maybe

1810
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 5: this is it for him. He's kind of put himself

1811
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 5: back in that position. But is the biggest fight of

1812
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 5: his career in that way, because this is because he's

1813
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 5: like he's at that point now where it's like if

1814
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 5: he doesn't get this done, you know, it's probably it

1815
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 5: probably is time for him.

1816
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: He's got other gigs. He's very good at what he does.

1817
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: He is very good on TV.

1818
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like, I feel like this will be

1819
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 5: his big moment, as big as the John Jones fight.

1820
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 5: You know, It's it's as big for him because I

1821
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 5: feel like this is that test he's always going against

1822
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 5: that guy who's a buzzsaw, but he never has gotten

1823
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 5: over that guy.

1824
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: I know, he's beat some of the less Is it

1825
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: fair to just the guy?

1826
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: So as a fan, if you're an educated fan, whoever

1827
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 3: cares about what this value is, is it fair to

1828
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: look at Anthony Smith and have those reservations and say,

1829
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 3: although you've been here before, I don't know if I

1830
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: see it one more time than you like, is that fair?

1831
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: Or has he shown us enough?

1832
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: He's consistent, but he's going have to be great to

1833
01:08:59,080 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: beat ankliath Luke.

1834
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of it in those terms. Necessarily. I

1835
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: think of it I always, I will, and things like,

1836
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: you know, the ability to rise to the occaion. These

1837
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: are intangibles, but they are real. They're just hard to

1838
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: pit and point about when it's going to show what

1839
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: when it is not. So I try to just have

1840
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: a much more of a baseline conversation around skills. I

1841
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: had said that earlier in this program, is a few

1842
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: minutes ago, that on Calive might be his most quality win.

1843
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, let's circle back to that.

1844
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: What would you say is two most quality wins? I

1845
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: would argue, not name value. I would argue the win

1846
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: over vulcan Uzdamir at the time in which he beat him,

1847
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: and more importantly, Gustafson right, because how did he beat.

1848
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 4: Both of them?

1849
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: A lot of different ways are important, but mainly with grappling,

1850
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: particularly back control, you're asking, what's a real way to

1851
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: get there? What's the one loss that on Calif has

1852
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: in UFC. It's got submitted now, Granted, granted, he was

1853
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: going into a situation, Paul Craig, we all know the bit, Oh,

1854
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm the damsel in distress, come into my guard and

1855
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: then he snatches him up. He's sneaky. I probably probably

1856
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: he's sneaky like that. That's not going to work. Smith

1857
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: is going to have to apply it all to him

1858
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: to a guy who's gonn be resisting at hardcore and

1859
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: in that sense, On Calive probably is the favorite. And

1860
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, and I understand appreciate that, but you're asking

1861
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 1: for a real path to victory.

1862
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 4: Dude.

1863
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: Anthony Smith's ground game and his back control for a

1864
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: big man is some of the best in the division.

1865
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to love Anthony Smith.

1866
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: So is this a type of win where he starts

1867
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: to get even though he's not as old as Glover.

1868
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 3: But Glover is sort of setting a new template for

1869
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 3: how to remain relative and elite and never really fall

1870
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: too far down, but also be in striking distance for

1871
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: a potential you know, two fight, three fight win street

1872
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: to get a title shot. Anthony Smith's not young, but

1873
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 3: his game is still really consistent across the board. This

1874
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 3: would be like a not fol Caro win. I mean,

1875
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 3: it's not that far apart in odds, but it would

1876
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 3: be like, damn, this guy's still evolving his game at

1877
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: this age and still putting it together. I'd have a

1878
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 3: lot of respect for him if he goes out there

1879
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 3: and has a way to win this fight on his

1880
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 3: own terms. I want to see it, Luke, I'm I

1881
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: want to cheer for him because he is of that

1882
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: blue collar scrap that I love and respect outside of

1883
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 3: just joking around with you as a fan. I want

1884
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: to see him get this win. But there's people that

1885
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: are telling me that they think Uncle lives the best

1886
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: in this division at the moment right now.

1887
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: So we got to see it play out. But there's

1888
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: people that believe that.

1889
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 5: Do you think though this would be as big as victory?

1890
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: I think it would be arguable. I think would be arguable.

1891
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,799
Speaker 3: Did he get labeled as a guy who was stopping

1892
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 3: older names for a while or.

1893
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know, yeah, like good like good fighters,

1894
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: not great ones. Yeah.

1895
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of these guys you're supposed to

1896
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 5: be probably even though they had the name value, like

1897
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 5: a lot. There are a lot of these guys, but

1898
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 5: this one, I mean, I feel like everybody's kind of

1899
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 5: counting to your point.

1900
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 3: How he came back from the Glover one, how he

1901
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 3: came back emotionally.

1902
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 4: Even I as an mey of Anthony Smith, even I

1903
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 4: that's what I was like.

1904
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: You know, he's tough for ship, he's tough, he's but

1905
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: like all stupid bits aside, he's tough as shit.

1906
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: But the reality is, like what BC I think is

1907
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: asking is it's it's not easy to get a title shot.

1908
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: It's very difficult. Most fighters never do it. But you

1909
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: have seen a number of scenarios where somewhere someone in

1910
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: any way class makes a push, they get a title shot,

1911
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: and then that's the only time they get a title shot, right,

1912
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: But to fall to get into that space, then fall

1913
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: out and then kind of reinsert your space. That is

1914
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: when you're like, there can be like I feel like

1915
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: Dustin Poirier has achieved something like that, right, Okay, he

1916
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: couldn't beat How.

1917
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: Do you recreate yourself for Charles.

1918
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: And right again. But that guy figured it out. He

1919
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: actually got back to that space, and that is, to me,

1920
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 1: is like hugely commendable. I think Smith could do something

1921
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: very much like that with that here.

1922
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 5: I think this victory would have that feeling if he's

1923
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 5: able to get by a guy that everybody thinks he's

1924
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 5: going to lose to. I don't know, I don't know

1925
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 5: the line, but I'm guessing he's a fairly big underdog

1926
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 5: he's able to do that. I feel this would be

1927
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 5: that hurdle that we haven't seen him clear where it

1928
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 5: would actually be like, Okay, maybe he does have something

1929
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 5: to offer the title like picture, maybe he can win

1930
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 5: the title at this twilight moment of his career, you

1931
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 5: know what I mean, especially if he finishes again, because

1932
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 5: we had be four finishes in a row. This that

1933
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 5: type of resurrection. We've seen a few of them over

1934
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: the years. But it would be and the flip side,

1935
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 5: you'd be you said you saw it coming.

1936
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: If Funklive drops the hammer on the flip side, We're

1937
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 2: all going to go, Okay, I've seen that spirit in

1938
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: him before and now it's time to add him to

1939
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: that list. Of BC's hammers that are coming on. You know,

1940
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean the guy definitely.

1941
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: You know this, from the time we started watching MMA,

1942
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: light heavyweight was the glamour to yeah and dude sometimes titles.

1943
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 4: Obviously, when John Jones came around, the whole thing changed and.

1944
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, you had Tour had a little bit of

1945
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: a rain and Chuck had a little bit of a rain.

1946
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 4: But in general, dude, that light heavyweight title gets.

1947
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: Passed around like a motherfucker man John Lockdown, I'm saying

1948
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: once once he had it, it was kind of before.

1949
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: John, it was great. That was one of the most

1950
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 2: fun Exactly the motherfucker that we are. That's literally what.

1951
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm saying we are, Okay, So anyway, I'm just pointing

1952
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: out it could be that this is just where we're

1953
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: back to that Yearie wins one time, Uncle Ive wins

1954
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: the next.

1955
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 2: You know, let me double down on that topic.

1956
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 3: To throw back a high court joke, This division, like

1957
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: a year ago, was no worse than third worst overall

1958
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 3: the entire sport. Only women's bannonm and Feather were worse

1959
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 3: than it. Do you think that the the rebuilding after

1960
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 3: the Jones era has has now gotten to the point

1961
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 3: where we're seeing fruit where it's not as bad anymore.

1962
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean, where do you rank.

1963
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 5: Because it's still some of the relics, you know, go

1964
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 5: over to Sera and now we're talking we were talking

1965
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,879
Speaker 5: about Anthony Smith. Now, yeah, I think that that's where

1966
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 5: Uncle Iah becomes a factor, right, like guys like that

1967
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 5: Eurie being who he is. I feel like there's enough

1968
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 5: new blood there to kind of give it that fresh

1969
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 5: coat because for the longest time, man, that division just

1970
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 5: felt like it was the same guy. It was John Jones,

1971
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 5: and then like four guys who were like it'd been

1972
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 5: in the division for ten years, you know, they just

1973
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 5: didn't feel like real threats. I feel like you got

1974
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 5: good threats.

1975
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: Let me put some to you about Brian Campbell.

1976
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 4: Here's what Brian Campbell will do.

1977
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell will see a glass and be like, oh,

1978
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: is there dried blood in the bottom of this, and

1979
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: then just pour water off.

1980
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't like, it doesn't matter what's in that.

1981
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: He will just pour water on my choices. Well, let's

1982
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 2: talk about on Calia because let's say he wins.

1983
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: And I know that bringing this up and made no

1984
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: one cares because everyone just you know, you can do.

1985
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: You can just say racist shit in the sport theirs.

1986
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: You can think about that.

1987
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 2: So in the case of on Calio, I don't know

1988
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: if that that's the case.

1989
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing, But what I am pointing out is

1990
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: he does have aationship with rams On Cadiro. Okay, does

1991
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: the UFC get at all trepidacious about.

1992
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: Putting that guy normally because of Disney? Disney does.

1993
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: Disney doesn't lay the hammer down very often, but when

1994
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: they lay it down, they lay it.

1995
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: Let me be the relay guy to get this question

1996
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 3: to you and say this in the past, if Luke

1997
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 3: would bring this up and be like, all right, dude,

1998
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: Like I get at your core what you're saying is right,

1999
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: but like I just want to see the fights. Who

2000
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 3: gives a fuck that's changed on the boxing side because.

2001
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: Of Daniel Kinahan because of now Tyson Fury.

2002
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: Not being allowed to fly in their presumably his brother

2003
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 3: not being allowed to fight, to fight Jake Paul because

2004
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: of that factor, and how law is stepping in to

2005
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 3: prevent certain fights from being made.

2006
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: Should we care about this on the same equal level

2007
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 2: for MMA in the future of how it could affect

2008
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: UFC fighters, We should but and shit and not, you know,

2009
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 2: I mean, we should.

2010
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 5: Be caring about these things. I mean, we've been seeing

2011
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 5: this for a long time. A lot of fighters have

2012
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 5: been involved in different ways this way, and there's a

2013
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 5: there's a very small minority of people raising this into

2014
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 5: public consciences. And know every now and again, even Dana

2015
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 5: is probably asked about this type of thing. Just nothing

2016
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 5: has happened.

2017
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: I do think that you're right though.

2018
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 5: If there's a bigger spotlight or a bigger scrutiny on

2019
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 5: this type of thing and it's coming from Disney or

2020
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 5: something like that, I could see that being a bit

2021
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 5: of a problem.

2022
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know. Here's the Disney shut Taichi Palace down,

2023
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: you know that.

2024
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: Here's I'm sure they did, and that's why they haven't

2025
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: gone back because Disney was like, no fucking way we're

2026
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: going back there. But the truth, okay, but this is

2027
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: the truth of the My vantage point, what is the

2028
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: what is the should fans care or not care about Cadirov?

2029
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: Here's my answer. They can decide that for themselves. I

2030
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: cannot decide that for them. What I do think I

2031
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: can do for them is give them the information to

2032
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: make a choice about it, right, I might have my

2033
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: opinion about what it is, and I have no idea

2034
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: These guys who knows what pressure they're under and their

2035
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: families being threatened. Who the fuck knows? No one really knows,

2036
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the answer is either. I

2037
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: have a personal opinion about it, but I don't know

2038
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: what the answer is. But people ask, why are you

2039
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: even covering it? Dude, make your own call about it.

2040
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: If you think that you don't care, then don't care

2041
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: about it.

2042
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: But the audience does deserve to know.

2043
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: I think that's where I can draw the line and

2044
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: say I can't go.

2045
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 5: I can't retreat more from that. You have a right

2046
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 5: to know about it. So I'd say ninety percent of

2047
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 5: the audience probably.

2048
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: Does doesn't care, and that's the choice that's made. But

2049
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: the people shouldn't stop talking about it or stop asking

2050
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: about You can make, what choice do you want to make?

2051
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: But if that's public knowledge about a public figure, there

2052
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,839
Speaker 1: should be some scrutiny about that from the media period.

2053
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 5: Like game, going back generations to box. I mean, it's

2054
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 5: just been tied to so much darkness on the stand.

2055
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: If you dig up the roots of combat sports, it's

2056
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: all going to be sad. I mean, they're just a

2057
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: story of boxing about a promoter got caught, you know,

2058
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: under oath saying that you know they paid off to

2059
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: the WBA to get their fighters ranked. It's like, yeah,

2060
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: that's just been going on forever. Listen, But like it's

2061
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: the same thing. There's a lot of kinhands of cadiras.

2062
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: I know there's are extreme in this category, but there's

2063
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: a lot of others circling around there that are regularly

2064
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 2: doing business in the fight game today and kind of

2065
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: it's still the wild West for a reason. I understand.

2066
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,919
Speaker 1: I accept that, you know, we've talked about this privately

2067
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: a million times. I understand that, and I accept that,

2068
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: and I accept that I bear some complicity in that

2069
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: in doing business in this in this world. I understand it.

2070
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: The only thing I object to the most is like,

2071
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 1: why are you bringing this up? Because it's fucking public

2072
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: news about a public figure, Like of course it matters.

2073
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,879
Speaker 1: So that's my only that's my only grudge is that, Sir.

2074
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't care. You can decide not to put a

2075
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: ball on this Russian conversation.

2076
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: You say he holds yet and uncle ive that have

2077
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: given you any pause or is it really does?

2078
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: He look to be the goods up to this.

2079
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 5: Point, he's the goods. I mean, I'm I've heard the

2080
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 5: people say that he threw that first fight. Hell Mary,

2081
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 5: one second left. Here's the Clacks gives up that first

2082
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 5: one Paul Craig because he was such a big betting favorite, right.

2083
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: Like Paul Craig did the Paul Craig magic. But that's

2084
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 2: the worst you could do.

2085
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 4: He's so great.

2086
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 5: I think he's he's the real do I I had

2087
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 5: him like I guess what last year, whenever we were

2088
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 5: talking about this, pretty much bookmarked or dog eared or

2089
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 5: whatever to become a champion at some point in this division.

2090
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: So I haven't changed. Nothing's changed there.

2091
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: So here's the question for UBC. He beats Thiago Santos,

2092
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 1: but it's not a lot. It's a lot of clenching,

2093
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of throwing. It wasn't like calive

2094
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: and let my head of thang.

2095
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 4: So here's the thing.

2096
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: Up until that fight, I was like.

2097
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: Dude, uncle, iive is absolutely unafraid of contact. Now, what

2098
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: some people said was he was blowing through people so easily.

2099
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: He wanted a fight not to be boring in that sense,

2100
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: but he wanted to go to full five and that

2101
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: was just kind of how he managed it because he

2102
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: thought he might get a title shot from it. Right,

2103
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: how much of that fight do you think was, oh,

2104
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: so maybe there is some issues with like risk management, yeah,

2105
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: or or was it just a different explanation?

2106
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: Right, here's the deal.

2107
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 3: There's got to be a flaw in there, all right,

2108
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 3: nobody's a perfect fight across the board. Somebody's gonna have

2109
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes that implosion spot is a deep well, sometimes it's

2110
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: just a puddle. But like, I don't know, there's got

2111
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 3: to be something that's a little bit off that we're

2112
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: gonna find when he finds somebody who's his equal in

2113
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 3: that that he's not able to rise to the next

2114
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: level intangible wise though, And that falls under that in

2115
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 3: terms of very game planning or i Q, dude, I

2116
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 3: just haven't seen enough to give you a legitimate fear.

2117
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my love of the beat survived

2118
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: his performance since Calculcator in round three.

2119
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 5: You got to be bummed out about that retirement.

2120
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: I am bummed out. But if he wants to help

2121
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 2: the world heal as a doctor. His guy's a hero.

2122
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 2: By the way, people are overblowing that third round against

2123
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: cater I mean, come on, bro, you know what I'm saying.

2124
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna overblow on this same right.

2125
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 4: No, dude, uncle, are you the way you are?

2126
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm fantastically a claude. I will say though that Uncle

2127
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: I have. Yeah, dude, is I don't. It's like I'm

2128
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: in this mode where I'm just taking you got Mago

2129
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 3: Man your name, Yes, you're in my apology.

2130
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 2: Fucking hammers. Dude, they're all hammers.

2131
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 4: I know.

2132
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to rename my kid to Maga Man and

2133
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: she's just gonna beat of kids in pre mirob.

2134
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 4: Demolish.

2135
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: That's right to answer the question from my vantage point.

2136
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: You can tell me if you disagree. I think Uncle

2137
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: I Have is uh fully capable of beating anyone in

2138
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: that division.

2139
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: I agree.

2140
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 4: That's the only question that matters.

2141
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: Who can he beat And the answer is probably all

2142
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 1: of them, Probably all of them.

2143
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 4: But he has to prove it.

2144
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Of course, you can't just because it's capable in theory,

2145
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: like there's some guys you look at it like he

2146
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 1: can't beat everyone.

2147
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 5: He has that feel though inevitable, like that he's going

2148
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 5: to be in those spots, you know, so tough question.

2149
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: All right, does John Jones ever fight at two or five? Again?

2150
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 5: No, I don't. I don't think so, dude.

2151
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: This guy spent all this time bulking fuck no no.

2152
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 2: So so, so if uncle I have is the real

2153
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: deal and we expect him to fight for the title,

2154
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: who would it be against? What's this timeline going to

2155
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: look like? This division is? It's pretty fun right now.

2156
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 4: It is.

2157
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 3: It's climbed from been the basement. It's it's now kind

2158
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: of kind of kind of matters again. So finally, while so,

2159
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: I mean, who's gonna I don't even know, Like that's

2160
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 3: that's the existential question this topic. It's like, I have

2161
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 3: no idea who's going to be the next two of

2162
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 3: five chimp? Is yeerie build building a run? Or is

2163
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 3: that not sustainable with that style?

2164
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: Luke?

2165
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think he can do better against

2166
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 3: Glover if that's the fight.

2167
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: The guy who fights that tooth and nail is going

2168
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: to beat a lot of good guys.

2169
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: But that can't be a sustainable stop.

2170
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 5: Like you said, it's just gonna be a tom pass

2171
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 5: on the next is.

2172
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: The perfect type of kryptonite ship Prohotska end up being

2173
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: there when if he gets to the title level.

2174
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, man, Okay, yeah.

2175
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 2: I like I like that you didn't hesitate, Chuck, didn't.

2176
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 2: I see that your glasses are empty. So let's wrap

2177
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: this up a little bit. Why aren't you enjoying this?

2178
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 4: Man?

2179
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 3: I feel like you're the automatic DESIGNATID driver who's just

2180
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 3: like bringing the mood down.

2181
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: It's like, I am the designation. You kind of look

2182
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 2: like me at the live show right now, and I

2183
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: hate you for it. Yeah, you're right, that was a

2184
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: very apt metaphor.

2185
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 4: Please let me finish driving this car.

2186
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: By the way, yes, two of the fights quickly on

2187
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: that main card Heavyweight Derek Lewis. This would be in Dallas,

2188
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: would be relatively hometown, taking on Sergei Pavlovitch on a

2189
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,759
Speaker 1: three fight win streak, all three of our first round stop.

2190
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: The Calves guard.

2191
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 4: Isn't that Delevan Doe?

2192
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, what do you think you got a big,

2193
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 2: big interest in this one? Somebody should be knocked out, right.

2194
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 5: I think Derek Lewis twenty of twenty of his twenty

2195
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 5: four fights have been finishes, and the other guy all

2196
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 5: of his UFC fights finishes and he lost. It's just

2197
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 5: the perfect you know, two slabs going each other until

2198
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 5: one goes down.

2199
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing.

2200
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 3: If this ends up getting looked at as a comeback

2201
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 3: fight for Derek Lewis, and it kind of offers that

2202
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 3: potential right like where you're like, Okay, he's still Derek Lewis,

2203
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 3: he's still knocking mfrs out. Is there a fight that's

2204
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 3: capable of being made that you would like be fired

2205
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 3: up for for Lewis or has that kind of run

2206
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 3: its gay?

2207
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: I me, you do not want to talk about this

2208
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 2: one ship.

2209
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I askepen All depending on how things

2210
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: go with Blades John Jones.

2211
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 5: John Jones is another fun one.

2212
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, there's there's a lot of dudere rematch with Tuy.

2213
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 4: You could do Francis too, depending on what happens with

2214
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 4: Francis two. He I wouldn't want to do to right again.

2215
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: I mean Francis Derek Lewis.

2216
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 4: One was you could do a.

2217
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: Rematch with Volkov beat Bulkov. I would like to see

2218
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: that actually, But.

2219
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't have like a I'll say this if

2220
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: if Lewis beats Pavlovich, I don't know that it would

2221
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: represent something new right for Derek, but if he loses

2222
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: these kind of guys, if we also Pavlovich had a

2223
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: bad UFC debut, but he actually could be better than

2224
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: we think he is, right like Roman Office come out

2225
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: of nowhere kind of like, oh, I actually do.

2226
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: You think we look at dras and Petrovitz historically as

2227
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 3: better than he actually was?

2228
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: And sort of a reverse Kirk Cobain type of deal.

2229
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: The situation maybe the same right on.

2230
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 3: Like what was he going to escalate and become like

2231
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 3: the guy? I mean he took it at Jordan in

2232
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 3: ninety three before he died.

2233
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 2: You know, could shoot, could shoot Croatian sensation? Right? I

2234
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: mean do you ever just let it go and just

2235
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: have fun like Tom Cruise in that movie, right, you know,

2236
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: not wor business? Yeah, just say fuck it, dude? Right?

2237
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, well, I don't

2238
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: want to say the movie the other Tom Cruise movie

2239
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: where he had to look after.

2240
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: Someone wide shot? Are you talking about that Hansel's parties

2241
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 2: there with the Yo Chuck? If you if your wife

2242
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 2: was like, hey, hey, Chuck, you.

2243
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 3: Know, met a new couple at work, and you know

2244
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 3: what they kind of want to like invite us to

2245
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 3: their friend circle and it's cool and you're like, I'll

2246
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 3: be and I'll be a nice husband. And then you

2247
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,480
Speaker 3: show up and it's your fucking eyes wide shut party.

2248
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: Would you tell us what? I tell you that? Like,

2249
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: because you had and you're like, we've come too far.

2250
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: We're here, we got to take part, honey, whatever this

2251
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: watch the boys? Okay, I guess I can't make it,

2252
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: so Chuck, you're in it. I mean you've got a

2253
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: mask on. People's clothes are leaving, things are happening, Like,

2254
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: do you tell us or is that a secret that

2255
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: you and your wife take to the grave. I'm serious

2256
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: about this. I'm serious about I would tell you guys. Okay,

2257
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: just has this happened?

2258
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: That's why people look dude, he's undefeated in the public, sye.

2259
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: That's why the people love.

2260
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 5: Him, Honestly. What it comes down to, all right? The

2261
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 5: other fight on sure Man to be stuck in eyes

2262
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 5: white shirt. The other fight on the main.

2263
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: Car last, but not least very quickly, another flatway contest,

2264
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: Alessandre Pantoja taking on.

2265
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 2: Alex low Key off camera. You were like, fuck that fight.

2266
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding if I would still, dude,

2267
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: fuck that fight.

2268
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 4: But it's not.

2269
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: It's my least favorite on the main card, I'll put

2270
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: it that way. But do you share that it's not

2271
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: a bad fight by any scratch.

2272
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Dude, it's a good fight. It's a fine fight.

2273
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: But it's like of all the ones I have rooting

2274
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: interested in some capacity, would.

2275
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: You believe both guys are believing that no one's talking

2276
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 3: about their name right now in the in the larger

2277
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 3: elite flyway.

2278
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 4: Especially Koja.

2279
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: You know, so they both are going to be hungry

2280
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 3: as ship. Dude, have we seen hasn't thought I was

2281
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,879
Speaker 3: gonna say, we haven't seen since the title fight.

2282
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: And he lost in twenty twenty. It's been that long

2283
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: for him, Dude, they were going.

2284
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: To be so hungry, you're going to end up this

2285
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: is going to be the fight of the night. You're

2286
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: gonna eat where you're you're gonna I'm not in any

2287
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: way saying it's a bad fight.

2288
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: It's not a bad fight, But in terms of where

2289
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 1: I care, I care about the Anthony Smith fight. I

2290
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: care about the comine and in the main those are

2291
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: my That's why I lead the show with him.

2292
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: So there you go chuck. Do you really believe he

2293
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: dunked in high school? Like? Do you really like? Pretty tall? Yeah?

2294
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 3: But he he was like the debate team captain. Dude,

2295
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: I could do I could do a running.

2296
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I could do a running like you know, with an

2297
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: actual basketball, not with an actual basket.

2298
01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: I do believe it. I mean, he is a big

2299
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 2: hum man. I'll give him that. He's he's Is he

2300
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 2: an athlete?

2301
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,839
Speaker 4: I don't know. I no, No, I'm very average.

2302
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 2: I'm very average, but I am tall. You did beat

2303
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: me in a free throw contest once. No one want

2304
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 2: to see it, apparently, but you did. You know.

2305
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't a very decorated It's like showtime was like

2306
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 1: we want you guys to go play free throw concerts,

2307
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: like okay, and then they take us to like literally

2308
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: the epicenter of urban blake.

2309
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes not. Did I miss this? It never came out.

2310
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: It's just like it's like a baseball sorry Chinese democracy.

2311
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 4: It's like.

2312
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: The court was like like someone had cut up milk

2313
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: crates and you had to play on like well there

2314
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: wasn't pavement or like that. And then across the street

2315
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: there was this like abandoned fucking warehouse and there was windows.

2316
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 2: It was kind of like, didn't ever know straight up

2317
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: a New Jack City vibe. It definitely had a New

2318
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: Jack City dude.

2319
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: And there were people that were like driving BYBB being

2320
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: like what are you all doing here? And we're like, oh,

2321
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:53,959
Speaker 1: we're just playing basketball and there.

2322
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: Dude, it was sketch Ball City. How cool was Nino

2323
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: in that movie?

2324
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 5: Was pretty I haven't seen that.

2325
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: That's what you guys think of this pantosic.

2326
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

2327
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 2: You did all that ship talking.

2328
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 4: You don't have anything to say about it.

2329
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: You know, I love this game, the show, you know,

2330
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 3: growing out with you, because here's the thing that's like, Luke,

2331
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: we would be having this conversation even if that guy

2332
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: wasn't sitting there.

2333
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 4: We wouldn't.

2334
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: You would tell me you didn't want to hang out.

2335
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: You would go back to your room, you would order

2336
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Uber eats, and then you would text me about the

2337
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: heartburn you got from the second player.

2338
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 2: That some of that story is very accurate. He wants

2339
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: me to be more physically intimate with him, but I

2340
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: have I have boundaries, like what.

2341
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 4: Do you want?

2342
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 2: You know what I want? Hey, Brian, you want to

2343
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 2: get dinner? The fuck up? Don't ever talk to me.

2344
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, oh man, right, I mean, odd couple.

2345
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we should do this any longer. Chuck,

2346
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: you don't want to plug anything, not really.

2347
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 5: I hate doing that, but I will do it anyway.

2348
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: So because OPI, He's like, yeah, the entire one hundred

2349
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 2: and fifteen pound division. I mean, Chuck, that's so unnecessary,

2350
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 2: that's ridiculous.

2351
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you that one.

2352
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you that one.

2353
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: Your other ones, I want you to know all your

2354
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: other ones sucked. You bombed on every single one that

2355
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: was a hit. That was a bringer. MMA show your

2356
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: boy Arie howanee.

2357
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know that guy. I know that guy.

2358
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 4: He won.

2359
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 5: So we do that show every Thursday and Saturday, well

2360
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 5: most Thursdays.

2361
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: But Yo, what do you think of his devil breasted

2362
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: stut revolution?

2363
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you see it? And he did?

2364
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: You're talking about the Paul Rocke pressers. I mean, you know,

2365
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 2: Ariel Loki's doing big show right now, shout out. But

2366
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: what about that suit game, Chuck, be honest.

2367
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,959
Speaker 5: Uh surprising, it was surprising.

2368
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: It's bold, Yeah, very bold.

2369
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 5: It jumped out and realistically, come on, he's making predictions

2370
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 5: about the twenty twenty three Nicks winning.

2371
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean he has his own I mean, didn't he

2372
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 3: wasn't he a fake Raptors fan when they won the championship.

2373
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 2: There is a lot. I got to talk to Arie.

2374
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 5: Well, obviously I've only known for a while. He had

2375
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 5: take note he was going with the jazz. The jazz

2376
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2377
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no.

2378
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: He was friendly with some of the uh, some of

2379
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: the folks who worked in the organization.

2380
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: He is.

2381
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's nothing worse than a Knicks fan

2382
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: who goes bing bong. I mean, are the worst people are? Okay,

2383
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: but but he is a diehard Knicks fan. He has

2384
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: always been a diehard Knicks fan as long as I've

2385
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Speaker 1: known m y.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. I'll get it.

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Speaker 1: And he's been a diehard Nicks fan when a lot

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Speaker 1: of New York wasn't. Let me tell you that, all right,

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Speaker 1: neither here North they are. That's Brian Campbell. That is

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Speaker 1: the iceman himself. Chuckman and hold the man in the hat.

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas is your pregame preview UFC two seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the fights, bitches.

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Speaker 3: You're two of the toughest people from Connecticut on this

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Speaker 3: couch right now, motherfuckers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Peace,