WEBVTT - Swooning Over Spencer Dutton 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.320 Welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. I'm Jefferson. Why, 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.560 I am joined as always by Jen Landon, and we 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.439 have a fun show on tap for you today with 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.480 a guest that we've been talking about for the past 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:20.439 couple of episodes. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.840 Yeah, Jeff, I don't know if I could be more 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.800 excited than I am about today's episode. And I feel 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:31.040 like we all have crushes on our guest that we're 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.640 going to be speaking too soon, which is the amazing 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.080 Brandon Splenard, who plays Spencer Dutton. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:42.280 Yeah, it took him six months, he had to cross 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.960 several oceans, and now we've got him in the studio today. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.920 I am so excited to talk with Brandon. He's one 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.800 of my favorite actors in nineteen twenty three. It's one 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.480 of my favorite characters in nineteen twenty three. And like 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.840 we've been watching this show. We've seen seven episodes of 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.440 this now. I'm a huge, huge fan of the show 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.160 and I can't wait to hear about his experience. It's 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.200 working on it right after this quick break. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.360 Okay, so I'm really excited to talk to Brandon in 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.240 a little bit. But the last time you and I spoke, Jeff, 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:22.040 we were on episode four, and a lot has happened 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:27.120 since then. So home, the home that the Spencer characters 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.040 returning to, looks very different than it did. Well, let's 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.760 say at the beginning of episode four, certainly. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.440 Yeah, it's been it's been a transformative season for the 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.720 Dutton ranch itself. You know, Spencer's been on this epic 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.120 journey all around the world trying to reach home, and 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.920 the real question is is there going to be anything 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.440 left by the time he gets there. So when we 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:54.320 last spoke about nineteen twenty three, Jacob had been shot. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.760 John Dutton had been killed. It was a really like 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.760 low moment for the ranch. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:05.160 Does is Spencer aware that his brother has been shot 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:06.800 and killed in that letter? I can't remember. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:12.000 I don't think so. I think, oh, yes, yes, Alex 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.960 reads him that letter. Yeah, and that's it feels like, 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.160 what is the final straw that summons him home. It 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.560 feels like he's been resisting coming home. Kara has been 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.600 sort of trying to get in touch with him, and 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.359 then it feels like this attack, this sort of savage 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.119 attack on the Duttons and his family is what finally 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.280 spurs him into motion to head home. Jacob is wounded. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.959 Jack is like bloodthirsty that the journey that Jack has 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.760 been on is fascinating and I get it right. His 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:49.040 father was killed, his mother dies. He is on this 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.320 kind of this personal he seems, and Kara says this 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.240 to him over and over again, like, you know your vision, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.560 You've gotta come back to reality. This sort of revenge fantasy, 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.480 this like bloodthirst that you're feeling is not what we need. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:07.640 This is not constructive. It's a kind of maze that 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.240 he's lost in. And then there's this beautiful moment when 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:16.160 he finally sort of the haze clears because Elizabeth, his fiance, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.480 is going to leave him. She says, all right, get 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.519 me out of here. If all you are is a killer, 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.080 if all you can think about is revenge, then we're done. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.040 And that's the sort of final straw that thankfully pierces 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.639 through that fugue state he's in, so he comes back 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.720 to reality and accepts his responsibility. You know it. Really 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.800 he has his own version. We've seen Spencer's struggle with 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.560 this death drive, this kind of in the wake of 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.720 the tragedy that Spencer has witnessed and faced, he's been 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.920 almost trying to get himself killed big game hunting. We've 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.680 seen Jack experience his own version of the same thing 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.160 in the wake of the death of his father. You know, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.400 Jacob being shot, feeling so helpless an impotent. We almost 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.200 see him driving towards his own death senselessly. And it 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.360 makes me think of a moment where that a thing 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.880 that Rip says to Jimmy, and like season two of Yellowstone, 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.120 Jimmy wants to just get up and go and attack 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.240 the men that killed his grandfather, and Rips like, no, no, no, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.840 I'm gonna show you how to get rid of problems 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.760 so they don't become bigger problems. And it feels this 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.400 whole time like Kara is saying Jack, calm down. We've 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.440 got to be logical. We have to take care of 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.520 this in a way that isn't going to create a 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.640 bigger issue for us or kick the hornet's nest. We 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.000 have to do this the right way, or they are 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:44.560 going to win. If we rise to this drive for revenge, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.000 we're gonna be overpowered and killed. That's not gonna work. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.240 That tactic isn't valid. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.919 On that front. And again we can ask Brandon this, 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:59.159 but do we think that Spencer's motivation for coming home 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.880 is to take care of his family, protect his family, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:08.120 or this vengeance that seems to kind of permeate through 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.159 the Dutton line. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.160 That's a great question, and I bet it's that motive 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.600 is changing over time as he himself kind of comes 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.920 back to life in his love for Alex. You know, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:25.160 like we've seen his death drive evolve. We've seen him 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.480 sort of wake up in some ways to the possibilities 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.920 of life, the sort of beauty of life through this 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.240 epic journey he's having alongside Alex, which is another to me, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.479 I got to say, another sort of Rip and Casey parallel. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.520 These characters who have been sort of taken all the 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.000 way up to the edge of despair, been taken all 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.240 the way up to the edge of the sort of 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.400 cliff of misery, and are brought back to life by 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.039 the women they love, by their families, by a sort 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.120 of sense of responsibility to the people they love. I 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.719 feel like we've watched Spencer go through that journey, and 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.039 we've watched Jack go through that journey, and even Jacob. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.400 Even Jacob is listening to Kara and sort of tempering 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.600 his own desire for revenge his own desire to sort 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.919 of kick back at the men that wronged him. Kara 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.440 really feels like the mediating impulse in all of it. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.359 Yeah, basically, what Taylor's writing over and over again is 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.840 that all men would just be dead essentially if there 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.680 weren't women around to say, honey, chill out, have a drink, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.240 whatever you need, soften the heart, you know, don't kill yourself. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.400 I think that's right, And Kara says, I think, Kara 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:45.400 says to Banner himself. She says, men kill quickly, You're 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.680 gonna wish that it was that easy. Women kill slowly. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.279 And it seems really clear to me that Kara's not 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.520 It's not that she doesn't want vengeance. She wants vengeance 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.719 as much as anybody else. Right, She her husband was 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.760 shot right in front of her, her her nephew was killed. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.480 Like there's She's suffered as much as anybody else as 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.400 a result of this attack. So she wants vengeance. She 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.560 just wants it in a sort of methodical, calculated way 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.840 that's going to last. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:23.200 Right, so that protection is still like maybe her bigger 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.680 motivation in the long run that it might be deadlier 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.040 to everybody else who is her enemy, but that it's 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.640 primary motivators and vengeance. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.200 But yeah, we've seen this across all of these shows. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.040 You know, if you take justice into your own hands, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.760 you're cutting off hydra heads, but two more grow back. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.920 You know, every sort of enemy that John Dutton has 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.679 struck down in Yellowstone, they tend to come back more 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.360 with new weapons, with new sort of forms. You know, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.360 rip kills what's his name, Oh, this is the ultimate 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.680 the ultimate humiliation is I've forgotten his name, Rorke. He 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.920 kills Roork in the river with the snake happens a 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.680 bigger batter snake shows up on a plane from New 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.920 York City. Right, you take justice into your own hands, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.960 you don't build sustainable, lasting solutions. So part of what 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.880 Kara's doing here is saying, no, no, no, don't just 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.160 get on a horse and go shoot some more. Then 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.720 they're gonna hire more guys. They're gonna come back over here, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.120 and they're gonna kill more of us. She's saying, let's 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:24.600 do this, right, let's do this, you know, legally, let's 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:30.080 bring these institutions in to this justice such that it 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.240 lasts and perseveres, so that you know, the next time 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.480 she turns her head. She's not losing another precious member 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.040 of her family. And you know who better to help 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.719 than Spencer. Nothing right Spencer has You know what, I'm 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.000 amazed by Spencer because he's got this kind of cool 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.880 logic to him, even while he is an incredible and listen, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.320 my man can kill. He's got that dog in him. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.880 He has killed pretty much every zoo animal. He's killed 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.800 all my favorite zoo animals so far out of necessity, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.200 with respect, out of necessity. But he also has this 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.200 kind of cool, methodical head in these moments, you know, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.280 when they're stuck on the capsized tugboat and you know, Alix, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.240 you know that like exposure kills you in the middle 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.280 of the ocean real quick, you got the sun beating 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.920 down on your dehydrated. He stays cool, he stays methodical. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.800 He's a survivor. He's exactly the soldier that Karen needs. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.600 So obviously, Spencer, you know this, this vital soldier in 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.720 the Dutton's effort to keep their ranches headed home, and 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.120 he's heading home to face a multitude of threats. One 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.760 of my favorite parts of nineteen twenty three has been 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:47.320 this really interesting cool villains. You know, we've seen Donald 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.320 Whitfield right, this kind of big business robber Baron almost 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.000 sort of circling representing one side of this equation that 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.920 will of course play out again in Yellowstone, presenting big 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:06.359 money representing industry, representing the desire to sort of pillage 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:11.240 this land to pull resources out of it. But then 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.000 we also one of my favorite characters on the show 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.280 who I'm just absolutely obsessed with because I love this 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.760 actor too, is Banner, right, Jerome Flynn's character Banner Creighton, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.640 because I love seeing him sort of go through this journey, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:30.160 starting out as basically a sheepherder who is in a 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.480 desperate position, somebody with very little one of many sheep 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:39.080 herders sort of having to make this desperate play, banding 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:44.160 together his sort of compatriots and attacking the Duttons, the 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:49.319 most powerful, richest institution in the valley, attacking them and 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.520 in doing so also enriching himself immensely. I love the 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.880 team up. I really do love the team up of 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.280 Donald and Banner because they represent these two complete, deletely 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.280 different sides of the coin. It's such a funny, odd couple, 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.280 and I could endlessly watch Banners sort of walk through 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.679 his brand new house, turning on the faucets, drinking champagne, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.880 experiencing the other side of his life. You know, we're 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.439 watching all these characters part of this. You know, one 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.800 of the big kind of themes of the show is modernity, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.200 the steady march of modernity. There's all these questions about wait, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.160 is the railroad coming, is electricity coming? Is plumbing coming? 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.520 Washing machines? Obviously, I get so excited about this stuff. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.520 I could talk about it all day. I'm gonna spare 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.360 you all that We're gonna take a quick break, and 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.559 when we come back, we've got with us the incredible 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:55.959 Brandon Spleinar. So stay right there. You know, we get 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.920 the gift of talking to a lot of our friends 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.400 on this show. We get the gift of talking to 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.040 a lot of our workers. In this case, Jen and 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.280 I feel incredibly lucky to talk to an actor that 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.840 we're just fans of. We've both been watching nineteen twenty three, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.680 We've been gushing to you this audience about it for weeks, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.360 and perhaps no character more than Spencer Dutton. So we 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.840 feel incredibly lucky to have with us today an actor 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.720 whom we admire very much. Brandon's Glennard, thank you so 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:25.400 much for being here. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.319 Man. Yeah, of course, Man, happy to be here, Brandon. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.640 I'm just going to start at the very beginning, like 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.960 what can you just tell us a little bit about 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.920 how this role came to you, what that audition process 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.480 was like, had you seen Yellowstone before, etc. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:51.040 Yeah, Yeah, I I've been wanting to work with Taylor 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.160 for a long time, a really long time since I 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.559 saw Heller h Water years ago, and he was kind 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.440 of at the top of my top of my list 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:06.880 in terms of filmmakers and creators. And my manager called 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.040 me and he was like, Hey, that nineteen twenty three 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.640 project you've been tracking for a while, they want to 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.439 read you. Perhapsideria. John Popsidi is a casting director on there. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.360 He's a good friend and he's he's cast me in 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.960 I think four or five projects and he's like pastes 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.600 casting it, and uh you got a roll for you 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.880 And I was like, oh shit, okay. Uh so he 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:33.400 send it over and yeah, and I just immediately resonated 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.560 with it just in the breakdown and on the page 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.200 and felt I felt good about it, you know, I 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.760 felt confident about it from the jumping Like I said, 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.560 It just resonated with me in a way that I 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.679 hadn't really felt before with anything I'd come across or 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:45.439 an auditioned for. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.560 And it was it was honestly out of anything I've 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:49.040 ever done. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.920 It was the quickest and most painless casting process. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:55.280 It was so fast. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.920 I mean sometimes these things drag out for three or 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.800 four months and you're just losing your mind, you know. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:01.600 So it was great. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:03.400 Yeah, sometimes it's just right. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:03.679 Man. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.160 Jen and I were marveling before you got on at 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.520 what exquisite casting this is. It really is an incredible 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.000 energetic match. Will you talk a little bit about the 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.880 experience of functionally sort of going on this personal journey, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.840 this kind of adventure. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.240 Just there their creative process, Taylor's creative process, and just 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.040 this whole sort of Yellowstone universe that he's created. And 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.360 I can't speak to any of his other projects, but 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.840 I imagine they're pretty similar. I mean they are so immersive, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:43.600 and you know, in terms of acting and having to 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.120 create things for yourself for them to be real. I mean, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.640 they take care of so much, so many things for you. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.760 It just just really thrown you on that and my my, 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.240 my personal journey as an actor and as a person 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.080 mirrored Spencer's in so many ways. Just it's kind of eerie, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.080 you know, and just just being out there in Africa 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.280 and trying to make sense everything, and you know, being 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.280 thrust into this role with all this responsibility to carry 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:14.400 this thing, and that also mirroring his responsibility to to 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.400 you know, take care Alex and to get home to 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.240 his family, and and you know, always being out of 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.720 his element, but also at the same time always being 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.360 in his element, you know, so in his element being 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.680 out of his element, you know, he finds comfort in 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:34.520 the uncomfortable. So it's this weird paradox that I definitely 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.880 tapped into and just you know, live the entire time myself. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.280 Do you think like, should this role have come into 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.760 your life five years ago, that you would have been 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.400 at a place too, like it would have been a 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.840 match then, or do you think do you know what 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:52.160 I mean? 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.760 I'm a I'm a firm believer in just a divine 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.640 timing of life and things in general. And you know, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:06.120 I can pretty clearly track the trajectory of how things 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.160 have evolved based on where I was at personally and 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.600 what I was trying to do in my personal life. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.480 And I mean, I don't think that it could have 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.600 happened at any other time because I wouldn't have been 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.000 in a position to handle it the way that I 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.920 was able to and bring that vibe to Spencer. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:26.280 That he needed. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:27.960 At any other point in my life if I was 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:34.000 in my mid twenties versus my early thirties and having 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.920 gone through what I've gone through personally in the last 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.520 five years, and that shift, and yeah, there's no way. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.320 There's just no way, And I wouldn't have wanted it. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.880 It's a fascinating Yeah, you mentioned yourself. You feel as 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.880 though working on the show has has changed you, You've 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.600 grown from working on the show. By the time we 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.440 find Spencer. When we first find Spencer, he has lived 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.160 a long, difficult life. You know, he is a part 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.280 of this generation of young men who were forced to 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:07.040 age prematurely by participating in the horror that was World 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.160 War One, Right, so he has seen some shit at 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.160 a young age by the time we first find him, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.639 and he is so clearly haunted by it. It's almost 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.480 like he's after his life. It's like his life is 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.240 over in some sense and he's almost hunting his own death. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.960 It feels to me, like doing what he's doing. He's 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.920 going out there until one of these fucking lions brings 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.760 him down. The only you know, he's almost looking for 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.760 the animal that's big enough to kill him back. And 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.760 then over the course of these seven episodes, it's an 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:43.840 amazing gift just watching this sort of life come back 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.640 into him in part because of this relationship with Alex. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.119 So will you just talk a little about working with Julia, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.760 you know her, she also is coming into this with 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.880 a tremendous amount of responsibility, and I know from being 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.680 on set, your greatest gift is each other, your greatest 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.760 talk about immersive. Having a performance like that right across 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.720 from you is the greatest gift in the world. Will 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.160 you talk about your sort of shared process and how 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:12.560 you found these characters together. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.600 Yeah, you know, that's great that you're perceiving all that 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.840 from that from the show, because that was all the intentions. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.200 I'm happy about that. That's great. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.639 Yeah, you know, we we got really lucky. You know, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.879 Taylor didn't do a chemistry read for the role of 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.560 Alex at all, and neither of us have really been 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.040 in this position before in terms of a role that 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.400 significant in a show. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.480 That is such a following and sort of this built 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:48.800 in viewership. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.080 Even though it's the first season of you know, the 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.480 show itself, there's so much going into it that you 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.159 know you're going to have those eyes. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.760 And I think we bonded in a. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.840 Lot of ways, and especially in that way, you know, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.880 just sort of entering this new arena in our careers 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.200 and his actors together, and we were fortunate enough to 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.959 get along really well and just kind of have an 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:12.720 instant rapport. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.680 Just the echoes are so apparent, right you're talking about 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.679 your experience of working on the show. Okay, I'm going 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.639 to leave my family behind. I'm going to leave my 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.560 friends behind. I'm going to go into the middle of 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:28.320 nowhere and put my trust in these other actors, put 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.919 my trust in this crew. And that's very much what 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.840 the character's doing too, Right, He's in the middle of 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:37.000 fucking nowhere, far from everything he's ever known or loved, 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.040 and he finds this person to trust, which is such 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.159 a fascinating journey to watch. So you get cast on 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.120 a show starring Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren and then 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.440 all of a sudden, your characters on the other side 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.080 of the world. What did you do so much of 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.159 the poll for Spencer is getting home, getting home to 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.920 this life, this responsibility, this duty. How did you approach 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.040 in your own mind and imagination developing a relationship to 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.040 these characters that you're not working with, you're on the 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.480 other side of the world. What did you do with 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.080 those other you know, your your your siblings on the show, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.760 these other characters, so you have a rich relationship to 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.760 How did you build that bond with Montana and the 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.120 Dutton ranch such that we can feel Spencer's pain being 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:26.119 separated from it? 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:32.199 Yeah, I know, I I it's a similar I you know, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.040 I did a similar thing with the war, just just 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.080 you know, you just build memory, you know, and then 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.919 just meditating with them, sitting with them until until they 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:43.440 feel real. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.160 So he's such an internal. 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.680 Character, so you know, you got to do that Otherwise, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.480 just there's nothing going on. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.960 We're gonna take a break really quick, and when we 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.600 come back, we're gonna keep talking to Brandon because there's 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:57.920 a lot more to talk about. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:58.400 Keep talking. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.320 I'm gonna I have a question that I need to 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.199 ask before I forget, because I will forget. And it 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.400 is a specific moment and we were talking a little 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.400 bit earlier about loading things with memory. When the Julia 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:26.680 character makes the decision to come after Spencer, to come 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.040 after you and runs to the car and she gets 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.240 in the car and she yells to him, find somebody 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:38.760 who loves you. You got you were emotional in that moment. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.320 I remember noticing that, and it was it really struck me. 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.040 And if I don't know, I don't know if you 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.440 remember that moment, I don't know if you can talk 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.520 a little bit about that. It struck me because it 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.160 felt very much like something that was so deeply tied 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.560 to the character, but it also felt to me like 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:02.640 something that was tied that existed between, like that great 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.639 thing that can happen with actors where you're like, I 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.840 don't know. It felt like it had both. It felt 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.720 like it had the actor's connection and the character's connection 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:11.400 in it. 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.359 It's tough, it's it's it's tough to delineate what's what's 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.320 a Spencer thing and what's a brand and thing it 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.200 really is when, especially when you're when you're in it. 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.000 Those lines are hard to see. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:26.560 But I do I can speak from from Spencer's point 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.120 of view that you know he's had such a such 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.160 a barrier up for such a long time, I mean 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.480 years and years, such a strong barrier, and no one's 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.280 ever crossed that barrier. And I think he's just overwhelmed 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.359 by this person he doesn't even know, who's just so 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.960 see something in him to the point where where she's 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.359 just like steam rolls through that that fucking thing so 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.960 and it hits him hard. You know, there's that level 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.640 of just blind faith. And I want to say love, 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.760 but I think it is love at that point, even 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.840 though it's so early on. You see something in him, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.639 and I think it just catches him off guard and 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.480