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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm fosa m and I am Mala. Munos Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Borgrosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 1: Bartol Mundo, Welcome to season eight.

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Speaker 2: Are you listening.

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Speaker 1: O La La Loka Motives. Welcome to Season eight of

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Speaker 1: lok At Radio. I'm Diosa and I Am Mala. You're

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Speaker 2: Last time on look at a Radio, we interviewed the fantastic, amazing, wonderful,

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Speaker 2: one of the radical clothes swap. I'm like so excited

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Speaker 1: You know what I love is that it's like the

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Speaker 1: proof is in the product. Like all those girls dress

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Speaker 1: talking to them and hearing more about how they started

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Speaker 2: Very very fun interview, and it's true like everyone was

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on in the world, in

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Speaker 2: our lives, in you know, the galaxy of lok At

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Speaker 2: Tora and surrounding galaxies. I mean, most notably right now,

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Speaker 2: we're in the midst of a major crisis. There is

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Speaker 2: major conflict going on in Israel and Palestine, and we're

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Speaker 2: not focusing so much on that issue today, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to bring you more on that in the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are just coming back from some time off,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't necessarily have the time to book a guest,

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Speaker 1: but that is on our mind, so we wanted to

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Speaker 1: let y'all know. And in the meantime some resources for listeners.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times The Daily produced a really powerful,

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking episode called Voice Is from Gaza where they speak

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Speaker 1: to a Palestinian American teacher and a twenty three year

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Speaker 1: old Palestinian and they're counting recounting what they're experiencing and

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Speaker 1: what their family's experiencing over the past week. So I

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Speaker 1: encourage all of you to listen to it, share it,

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Speaker 1: and as always, cite your sources, get informed, and talk

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Speaker 1: to your families.

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Speaker 2: I would also say, do not look to hot takes

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Speaker 2: from celebrities on this issue. If it's like an Instagram infographic,

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Speaker 2: like just skip over it, honestly, like better to do without.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of really great journalism coming from on

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Speaker 2: the ground. I for one, like I've been watching a

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Speaker 2: lot on like you know, the Hulu Live News and

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Speaker 2: I just think overwhelmingly, like every time something happens, and

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Speaker 2: don't look to celebs. They don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in their own bubble. So yes, we will

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And in the meantime, we, like Yosa mentioned, we

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Speaker 1: There's really no going back. So once, like MA said,

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Speaker 2: Like well hidden, definitely well well hidden up in the mountains,

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Speaker 2: and we learned about all the different microclimates, the micro

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Speaker 1: It was incredible. We started the trip on my actual birthday,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And it was also amazing the way that like

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, and it was inn eight mile

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Oh no, I mean it was like very you know,

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Speaker 1: And every birthday, of course is amazing, it's wonderful to

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Speaker 2: It was definitely a very intentional trip. Do you also

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Speaker 2: put together this beautiful itinerary and everything was just like

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Speaker 1: right that has been has worked alongside Norri Martinez for decades.

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Speaker 1: The podcast was obviously made, it's an LAist podcast. There

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Speaker 1: is also some belief that maybe this type of show

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Speaker 1: should not have been made, didn't need to be made.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know yet, you know, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: waiting to hear the full series before I really decide,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm I guess there's a part of me that's

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Speaker 1: like hopeful that the final episode will kind of redeem

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Speaker 1: the last three. I didn't necessarily think it was providing

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Speaker 1: us anything new other than it's an exclusive with Norri Martinez.

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Speaker 1: That's to me, that's what the big thing is. It's

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Speaker 1: an exclusive. But I don't necessarily know that we're learning

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Speaker 1: anything new.

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Speaker 2: The media will be made about people who have done

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Speaker 2: terrible things, no matter what, and I think, of course

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's natural to come and ask that question,

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Speaker 2: like should we be making this content about this person,

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Speaker 2: should we be platforming this person? And in the case

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Speaker 2: of journalism in particular, I mean plenty of dictators and

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Speaker 2: figures who have committed her endous crimes. You know, they

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Speaker 2: sit down for an interview with Barbara Walters or whatever,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they have their their special.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is why I think it made sense that

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Speaker 1: Elias did make this podcast. Whether you agree with it

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Speaker 1: or not, you know, the point of which is even

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Speaker 1: within journalist is a constant debate now is if objectivity

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Speaker 1: even exists, right. But I can see for a legacy

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Speaker 1: news outlet like Elis feeling like well, to be journalistic,

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Speaker 1: to have journalistic integrity, is to be unbiased. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to have this, We're going to make this podcast, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's within the industry, that's a debated topic even now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody was going to interview her, right, somebody was

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Speaker 2: going she was going to sit down with somebody. And

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Speaker 2: it sounds like Eliis reached out to Nury, texted her,

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Speaker 2: left a voicemail or something, because Nuri's phone number was

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, and that was how they reached out to her,

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Speaker 2: and that they themselves were surprised when Nurray responded and

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Speaker 2: established communication with them, And so she was going to

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Speaker 2: sit down with somebody and it happened to be Elius.

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, maybe she trusts them or she feels

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Speaker 2: comfortable with them, And I wonder, like, was she considering

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Speaker 2: different outlets? Was she thinking do I go and talk

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Speaker 2: to the Elie Times on their podcast?

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Speaker 1: Elias has produced other podcasts about different scandals that have

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Speaker 1: happened in Los Angeles, so not just politicians. They followed

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Speaker 1: the yoga conspiracy theorists that were happening here in LA. Like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different news that they cover. So

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Speaker 1: I think it in a way, it does make sense

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Speaker 1: right that this was the outlet. But again I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of also black journalists question on Twitter did

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Speaker 1: this even need to be made? Were there any black

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Speaker 1: journalists in the.

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Speaker 2: Room that worked on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: So I think questions. People have questions, and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: That's part of journalism is it's getting people to think

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Speaker 1: and talk and question.

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Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, check it out if you want

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Speaker 2: to hear what Marie Martinez has to say, and if

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Speaker 2: you're interested in hearing the piece that LA Is produced

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Speaker 2: and put out. I mean it's LA news, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't take our word for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of different coverage happening through different outlets.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, encourage you all to listen and read for yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too. You know, our parents and our

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Speaker 2: elders and folks who like live in LA and vote

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Speaker 2: and such like. I don't actually know how much like

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Speaker 2: our older folks are in tune with what happened and

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Speaker 2: with this conversation, and especially like there is a lot

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Speaker 2: of so behind KTL. There is, and I think people

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Speaker 2: are very ready to like move on and like forgive him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you have to. Again, this is not to justify

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Speaker 1: or excuse KTL, but you think the La Times and

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Speaker 1: they did a write up about him. They quoted a

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Speaker 1: couple of senoras, you know, and he's at food distributions.

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Speaker 1: So you're seeing this man give you a turkey for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be more real to you than maybe

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Speaker 1: you haven't even heard the fat tapes. You don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened. I think that's why I was very telling,

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Speaker 1: why Kevin the Leone did his first public interview with

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Speaker 1: the only VCON in Spanish, very telling. He knows who

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Speaker 1: his base is. He knows the Signoras are going to

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Speaker 1: forgive him, and it seems like they have.

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Speaker 2: You know what, maybe the reason Neuri went to elist

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Speaker 2: is because she knew that the older folks were going

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Speaker 2: to forget and forgive her and be ready to move on.

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Speaker 2: But she was more specifically maybe trying to speak to

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Speaker 2: like us, our demographic because who listens to an LAS podcast? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think that this is

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Speaker 2: another reason for us, like especially we've talked about in

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Speaker 2: the past, like when it comes to civic engagement, a

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Speaker 2: lot of times Latinos we will kind of like vote

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Speaker 2: as a family or like, Okay, how are we voting?

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Speaker 2: At least in my experience, and if you have this awareness,

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Speaker 2: you can like continue to talk to your family about

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Speaker 2: like why some candidates we should be supporting and why

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Speaker 2: some we should not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of Latinos LATINX

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Speaker 1: folks that vote based on just Spanish surname alone, and

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Speaker 1: so yes, continuing to have that conversation is important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these have been some of that happening in the

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Speaker 2: past few weeks. It's been eventful, to say the least.

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