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Speaker 1: the Late Extra podcast. I'm Josh Paid. It's Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 1: as I record at least July thirteenth year of Our Lord,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I'm just going to try a different

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Speaker 1: format this morning. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm want

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Speaker 1: wall to wall college football mail bag, by the way,

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Speaker 1: So let's dive in and we're just going to mix

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Speaker 1: up the chit chat throughout. Clayton starts us off. I remember,

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Speaker 1: to you, a championship caliber roster and are, according to you,

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Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous teams in the country. Well,

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Speaker 1: what changed? What did LSU do to go from disarray

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Speaker 1: now we fast forward and what have we done. Well,

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Speaker 1: He said, I've always thought that the West Virginia job,

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Speaker 1: spoke to him about this earlier this year. He is

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Speaker 1: man enough to say, I'm not an expert in that field.

435
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Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but we knew changes had to

436
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Speaker 1: be made, and so I'm not telling you. Saban said

437
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Speaker 1: get out of here, go find another job, and Cochran

438
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Speaker 1: went to Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying when it.

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Speaker 1: Happened, there were already moves being made, there were already

441
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Speaker 1: plans in motion, there were gonna be changed there. I

442
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Speaker 1: don't know what that would have meant for Cochrane. I'm

443
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Speaker 1: just telling you there were going to be changes there regardless. Well,

444
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Speaker 1: when Cochrane leaves, it opens the door for Matt Ray

445
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Speaker 1: and David Blue to come in from Indiana. And they

446
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Speaker 1: had come to Indiana by way of IMG Academy. Second

447
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Speaker 1: shout out for IMG here. Even when they were at

448
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Speaker 1: IMG in Bradenton, Florida, I was already hearing stuff about them.

449
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Speaker 1: A lot of college coaches were already raving about them

450
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Speaker 1: because what would happen is assistant coaches would go to

451
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Speaker 1: IMG and they would be scouting high school players and

452
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Speaker 1: they would get a taste of what kind of sports

453
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Speaker 1: science programs they had in place, and what kind of

454
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Speaker 1: training programs they had in place, and a lot of

455
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Speaker 1: these college coaches started to realize, whoa, I think they're

456
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Speaker 1: more advanced at this high school than we are at

457
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Speaker 1: our college. And it was inevitable. It was only a

458
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Speaker 1: matter of time Indiana hires them. And then people started

459
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Speaker 1: to say it about Indiana. It's no coincidence. By the way, folks,

460
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Speaker 1: where's Indiana ranked in your top twenty five this year?

461
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Speaker 2: What did Indiana do last year?

462
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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think that's residue from? And so

463
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Speaker 1: now that same duo is at Alabama and they're being

464
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Speaker 1: handed the best athletes in the country. I would draw

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Speaker 1: your attention to Naji Harris. Naji Harris is a perfect

466
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Speaker 1: encapsulation of what these guys are capable of. Naja Harris

467
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Speaker 1: was not a true freshman last year. You had already

468
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Speaker 1: seen a couple of years of him, and he was

469
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Speaker 1: a very good player, former number one running back in

470
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Speaker 1: the country. But Naja Harris was not a first round

471
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Speaker 1: draft pick kind of guy when he entered last year.

472
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Speaker 1: He had a condensed off season. With those two. They

473
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Speaker 1: upped his explosive rate, they upped his first cut ability

474
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Speaker 1: and explosiveness out of the break rate.

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Speaker 2: They gave him.

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Speaker 1: I think a little bit better top end speed. I

477
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Speaker 1: just think he moved better. When you watch Najia Harris

478
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Speaker 1: hit the hole, he did it a little bit differently

479
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Speaker 1: last year than he had in previous years. And so

480
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Speaker 1: you either watched him and thought, oh, he must be

481
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Speaker 1: healthy now, or you watched him if you knew what

482
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Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes and thought, oh.

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Speaker 2: My goodness.

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Speaker 1: Even these elite players who have already been here a

485
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Speaker 1: little while, this strength and conditioning duo that Nick Saban hired,

486
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Speaker 1: they're already having an impact. Well, now coach A asks

487
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Speaker 1: the question what does it mean for the future. That

488
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Speaker 1: is what I'm looking forward to with them this year

489
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Speaker 1: because this will be the first full year that that

490
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Speaker 1: coaching tandem, that strength and conditioning tandem has had an

491
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Speaker 1: entire summer and an entire uninterrupted spring and winter conditioning

492
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Speaker 1: period with the roster they're going to put on the

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Speaker 1: field in the fall. So watch them this fall because

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it will be the most athletic looking

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Speaker 1: version of Alabama you've ever seen. And you may think

496
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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, they how higher can they go? They

497
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Speaker 1: won a title last year. Now this year's team hadn't

498
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Speaker 1: done anything. Last year's team won a title. The question

499
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Speaker 1: in your mind should be how do you lose all

500
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Speaker 1: the talent they lost?

501
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Speaker 2: And repeat?

502
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Speaker 1: And that could be one of the answers. Because they

503
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Speaker 1: are no longer behind anyone. They are again setting the

504
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Speaker 1: pace in what is the most burgeoning aspect of this

505
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Speaker 1: entire industry. While everyone talks about nil, know what's really

506
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: happening is sports science and strength and conditioning. It is

507
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Speaker 1: totally evolved, even over the last decade. Over the last

508
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Speaker 1: five years, guys, it's totally different and What's funny about

509
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: the Alabama Strength and Conditioning guys is they put everything

510
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Speaker 1: out on Twitter, and I, you know, I I'll talk

511
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Speaker 1: to someone about it and they'll say, it doesn't really matter.

512
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Speaker 2: We don't have anything to hide.

513
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Speaker 1: And by the way, if another program's copying us, they're

514
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: already going to be left behind because we're learning and

515
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: implementing new things up here every day to where what

516
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: we are doing will be old to us this time

517
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Speaker 1: next year and this time two years from now, which

518
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Speaker 1: is a really it's a really funny way to go

519
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: about it, but it's also a really revolutionary way to

520
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Speaker 1: go about it. All Right, Kenneth is up next. Kenneth

521
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Speaker 1: has a question about NIL that a lot of you

522
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Speaker 1: have asked. I mean, this is the number one question

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Speaker 1: I get about NIL. So let's toss it to break

524
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Speaker 1: and then we'll hit this on the other side.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're back here. Kenneth has a question.

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Speaker 1: I get a whole lot, so let's just go through

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Speaker 1: it together. Kenneth says, where who do you think NIL

528
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Speaker 1: is going to stop? And what I mean is a

529
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Speaker 1: lot of these high school recruits are being nationally looked

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Speaker 1: at by their sophomore years in high school.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: I understand that kids get scholarships for their sports and

533
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: their names are always being mentioned on TV. But to me,

534
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Speaker 1: the whole reason to be in college is to get

535
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Speaker 1: an education. Now they're not even gonna worry about getting educated. So, Kenneth,

536
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Speaker 1: it may sound like I'm being a little combative in

537
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Speaker 1: my response. I'm not a lot of people feel this way.

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Speaker 1: I just have a different point of view. I've let

539
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Speaker 1: me put it to you like this. I'm gonna hesitate

540
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Speaker 1: in how I want to answer it, so let me

541
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Speaker 1: put it to you like this. I am of the

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Speaker 1: cardi Ale Jones school of philosophy. On this, Cardile Jones

543
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: once famously told a reporter, we ain't come here to

544
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Speaker 1: play no school. And even in the grammatical butchering of

545
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: the sentence itself, it spoke to what Cardile Jones was

546
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Speaker 1: at Ohio's State for. We are not under you, me,

547
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Speaker 1: anyone else. We are not under any misguided notion that

548
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Speaker 1: Cardile Jones went to Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: For the educational benefit. I don't have a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I think the difference lies in how we view the

551
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Speaker 1: educational experience in college I've just never had a problem

552
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Speaker 1: understanding kids go to college when they're playing football to

553
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Speaker 1: major in football. I've always believed football should be a

554
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Speaker 1: major for them. I've believed it should exist as a department,

555
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Speaker 1: and you can teach courses on financial literacy in that department,

556
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Speaker 1: and you can teach ethics courses in that department, but

557
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Speaker 1: you can also teach marketing courses. You could teach things

558
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Speaker 1: that basically extend outside of just the playing field in

559
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: this world of college football, that prepare guys for a

560
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: lifetime in the sport that they're already committed to playing anyway,

561
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Speaker 1: and let them choose that. If they don't want to

562
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Speaker 1: choose that, if they want to be a finance major,

563
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Speaker 1: then letting them be a finance majors. They want to

564
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: go to law school, that's fine, But most football players

565
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: are number one, only getting to that college for their

566
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: athletic prowess, and number two, that's what they're interested in. So, Kenneth,

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Speaker 1: I don't look at this the same way as I

568
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Speaker 1: look at someone going to a study law.

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Speaker 2: It's just a different world.

570
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: They're different people, they're different philosophies, different approaches.

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Speaker 2: So, Kenneth, I ask you this.

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Speaker 1: I would ask anyone this because I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people feel the way Kenneth does, and that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's okay, believe.

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Speaker 1: It or not for us to disagree or to view

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Speaker 1: this thing differently. But I just asked this for anyone

577
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: out there who's saying, these guys they go to college

578
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: to get their degree, and I'm just worried that too

579
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: much focus is being put on the whole football aspect

580
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: of it. Here's how I think about it. I mean,

581
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Speaker 1: I've sat in many a press box, I've stood on

582
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Speaker 1: many a sideline. I've watched many a game on TV.

583
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Speaker 1: How many of you be real with me now, when

584
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: it is seventeen to sixteen times winding down in the

585
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and it is third and seven on the

586
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Speaker 1: opposition's twenty seven yard line, and that ball snapped and

587
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: that tight end spills out into the flat and he

588
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: extends one handed catch and he stretches that ball and

589
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: maybe he reached that first down line, maybe he didn't.

590
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: Here come the chains. How many of you are wondering

591
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Speaker 1: what his GPA is in that moment, because I am

592
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Speaker 1: honest enough to tell you I don't care if he's eligible,

593
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Speaker 1: if he's met the baseline requirement. I don't care because

594
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: what he's there to do is exactly what we're sitting

595
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: on pins and needles waiting to see if he succeeded.

596
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 2: In doing, and that is play football.

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00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: And if he wants to achieve more than that academically,

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00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I don't have a problem with a

599
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: kid who otherwise would not be at the University of

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00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Georgia or the University of Texas focusing on the thing

601
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Speaker 1: that got him there, because focusing on the theme that

602
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: got him there is also the best route to get

603
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: him eventually where he wants to go, which is the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And Kenneth, let me tell you, I cannot stress enough

605
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys who don't necessarily have

606
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Speaker 1: this entire life thing figured out, and they go to

607
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: college and they're just focused on football and they don't

608
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: take academics seriously that end up becoming very successful in

609
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: life financially and then in the business world, and they

610
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: have a family of their own, and they're able to

611
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: mentor and teach young people twenty years down the road,

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Speaker 1: and they're able to say, look, son, right now, twenty

613
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: years old, and you just got on campus and you

614
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: think this is it, and let me tell you.

615
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: It's not it. Now. I was in your position.

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00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Fortunately I made it, But I wish I could go

617
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: back and tell twenty year old me how much I

618
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: didn't know and how serious I wish I could have

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Speaker 1: taken academics.

620
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: But even if I didn't take them.

621
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Speaker 1: Seriously, there how big the world is out there, and

622
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: how much you have to learn. I've watched guy, I've

623
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: talked with guys who didn't have their stuff together, Kenneth.

624
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I've talked to the guys you're describing. Actually, the mere

625
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: fact that football is there is a vehicle for them

626
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: to make it, to make something of themselves in life

627
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: when they don't necessarily have everything else figured out, could

628
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: lead to them being a glowing pillar of an example

629
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Speaker 1: down the road. For let's say, anywhere from twelve to

630
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty to one hundred kids in similar positions to look

631
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: up to down the road, and I would ask, if

632
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: football wasn't there, what would he otherwise have turned into?

633
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: So I guess my approach is different than yours, Kenneth,

634
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and that I don't think that football players are always

635
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: in college for the educational experience. There are many who

636
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: take it very seriously. More power to them. I applaud that.

637
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's the only way, and it's

638
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: not the only way to make it either. So the

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00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: change I would make is I would let you major

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00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: in football. And now that I think about it, I'll

641
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: also say this, Kenneth, I think you may actually get

642
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: the opposite of what you think you're going to get

643
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: with nil and play.

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00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: Now.

645
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Money's in play for kids at a younger age, and

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00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: while that may rub you the wrong way initially, I

647
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: want you to think about the educational aspect. Well, there's

648
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: never been more incentive for guys to learn lessons earlier

649
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: in life money management, chief among them economics, but also

650
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: management and compartmentalization in life, and having your priorities in check.

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Speaker 2: Because there's more risk.

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Speaker 1: There's more skin in the game now than ever before

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Speaker 1: for your typical high school junior, senior, college freshman, and

654
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Speaker 1: junior and sophomore. It can go in the right order there.

655
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Speaker 1: But I've talked to many people, I've talked to players.

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Speaker 1: I think this is going to have the opposite impact

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Speaker 1: that people expect. People expect, Oh, there's going to be

658
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Speaker 1: money flying around, and they're going to be so care airless.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't well, I guess some of.

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Speaker 1: You may not be able to do this. If you can,

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Speaker 1: I would encourage you to listen to some of these

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Speaker 1: guys talk. They're much sharper than you think they are

663
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Speaker 1: when when they're talking about this stuff, and it's because

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Speaker 1: they've sought out guidance. And let me also leave you

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Speaker 1: with this, and I can't go much deeper in this.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of different sectors of business that

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Speaker 1: are going to be given rise to to facilitate that

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Speaker 1: kind of educational experience and that kind of knowledge that's

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Speaker 1: necessary now to equip those guys to to manage themselves

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Speaker 1: and to make those decisions they're gonna there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot of good and a lot of good people

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Speaker 1: that contribute a lot of good to this. I just

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna have the opposite effect. I think

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Speaker 1: guys are going to look after themselves more than they

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Speaker 1: ever have before. They're gonna value that experience and that

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Speaker 1: education opportunity more than they ever have before. And the

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Speaker 1: reason is no different than you and I, Kenneth. It's

678
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Speaker 1: cause money is on the line. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: reason we all go to college anyway. We all want

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Speaker 1: to set ourselves up to benefit the most financially in

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Speaker 1: the long run so we can retire as early as possible. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's no different than these guys. They just have a

683
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Speaker 1: little bit different access to it. You know, my litt

684
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Speaker 1: sweet Tea is not sponsoring you or I.

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Speaker 2: Hey, maybe never know.

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Speaker 1: Who knew that I was going to get a great

687
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Speaker 1: big package of Haynes stuff in the mail this past week?

688
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Speaker 1: Who knew that when I put out the call to

689
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Speaker 1: action on Late Kick a couple of weeks ago, one

690
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Speaker 1: of the biggest companies in the I.

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Speaker 2: Better shut up, listen.

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Speaker 1: We could have let's say, we could have some partnerships

693
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Speaker 1: on the Late Kick in the future, but the average

694
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Speaker 1: person doesn't have access to that.

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Speaker 2: I know. But the approach in trying to achieve the

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Speaker 2: same goal, I think is no different. So there you go, Kenn.

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Speaker 1: It probably went five minutes longer than I should, but

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Speaker 1: there you go. Davis is up next. Me and my

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Speaker 1: friends have talked about traveling at night or during the

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Speaker 1: day for our long road trips, and we both agreed

701
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Speaker 1: traveling at night is more peaceful, less problematic. Do you

702
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Speaker 1: do the same or do you like starting your road

703
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Speaker 1: trips during the day, Davis, if I can, I never

704
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Speaker 1: travel during the day. I go back and forth to

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Speaker 1: Georgia a lot. I have to leave tonight. Actually I'm

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Speaker 1: recording this on Tuesday. We've actually had another close friend

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Speaker 1: of ours pass away.

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Speaker 2: That's two and two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Not been a fun time back home, but I have

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Speaker 1: to drive back tonight. So I always do it at

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Speaker 1: night because I feel like my work. I normally get

712
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Speaker 1: done working by ten pm most days, but I don't

713
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Speaker 1: go to sleep until like one or two, and so

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Speaker 1: I view the nighttime hours as largely hours that I

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Speaker 1: can do what I want with, Whereas if I'm driving

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Speaker 1: during the day, I really feel like I waste time

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Speaker 1: because time driving I mean is time that you can't

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Speaker 1: focus on other things. But at night, I mean nighttime driving, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot less congested on the roads. I think

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Speaker 1: the music sounds better at night. I just think you

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Speaker 1: get into a flow. I feel like I get where

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Speaker 1: I'm going quicker at night than I do during the day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I feel that way. So, yeah, Davis,

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Speaker 1: I would endorse that approach to life. Jeff is up,

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Speaker 1: he said last week, you had a segment saying Ryan

726
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Speaker 1: Day would be your guy for the next five years

727
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Speaker 1: if you couldn't have Nick Saban And I was curious

728
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Speaker 1: about your thoughts on Mario Christovaul. Do you think he

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Speaker 1: has all the tools as a recruiter, a developer of talent,

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Speaker 1: great culture, good game day coach, etc. With the nil

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Speaker 1: in place? Do you see him staying at Oregon long term? Jeff,

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Speaker 1: let me go in reverse order here. Whether Mario stays

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Speaker 1: at Oregon long term I think is out of Oregon's hands.

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Speaker 1: I think it's in the PAC twelve's hands. I do

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Speaker 1: not think if Mario cristobaal elevates to being one of

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Speaker 1: the true elite coaches in college football and the Pac

737
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Speaker 1: twelve maintains its inferior status, I do not think he's

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Speaker 1: going to stay at Oregon. I could be wrong on that.

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Speaker 1: That's nothing he's told me, But just think along with me.

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Speaker 1: Even if you're an Oregon fan, be honest with yourself.

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Speaker 1: If you rose to the top level of your profession,

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Speaker 1: but your attachment to a larger body, this case, a conference,

743
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Speaker 1: if your attachment to that conference cut the legs out

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Speaker 1: from under your ability to achieve as a program at

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Speaker 1: the highest level and it offered you inferior resources and

746
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Speaker 1: inferior access and inferior exposure, would you stay there? I

747
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Speaker 1: think the answer in most cases would be no. So

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Speaker 1: if the new commissioner in the PAC twelve where resurrects

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Speaker 1: the conference, then I don't think Oregon's going to have

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Speaker 1: a problem because otherwise there's a ton of advantage to

751
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Speaker 1: being at Oregon. Now with Mario recruiting, we won't even

752
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Speaker 1: waste time with that. He's a phenomenal recruiter. Great culture.

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Speaker 1: I think they have that too. I'm not gonna waste

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Speaker 1: time with that game day approach. And also development, those

755
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: are the two aspects that I think still need to

756
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Speaker 1: evolve there. I'm not saying they're negatives either side, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're elite there yet.

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Speaker 2: But I also it's very young.

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Speaker 1: Mario Cristaball is still a very young head coach, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where they should be, is my point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we find that elsewhere at Georgia with Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 2: They're saying the same thing.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about development and they're talking about game day

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Speaker 1: coaching acumen. Well, you know what that's tied to youth

765
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Speaker 1: as a head coach is tied to youth man, and

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Speaker 1: there's only one way to gain that. There is no

767
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Speaker 1: microwave mentality that gets you where you want to go

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Speaker 1: quicker than you can. You just have to have experience.

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Speaker 1: And Mario Cristaball learns every single day, just like the

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Speaker 1: greats do. I remember when we were talking to him

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Speaker 1: last whom would that have been? It was around this

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Speaker 1: time last year and he was I was on zoom

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Speaker 1: with him, and you know, he's got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: notebooks in the background. He showed me a notebook that

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Speaker 1: was just from a month of a year, and he

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Speaker 1: flipped through it, not slow enough where I could read it,

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Speaker 1: but he was flipping. He said, look at this, you

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Speaker 1: know what this is. This is from like July of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and it's just notes that he takes and

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Speaker 1: they reflect on and I'm sure he has a lot

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Speaker 1: of quality control staff that type up mainly the big

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Speaker 1: takeaways from that, but he's an observer and you got

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Speaker 1: to learn from your observation and your experience. So the

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Speaker 1: development of talent, that's key, and you'll see a lot

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Speaker 1: of that on display this year. For better or for worse.

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Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of that this year. They should

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Speaker 1: have their best team they've had so far this year,

788
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Speaker 1: and it should be obvious when you watch him play.

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Speaker 1: But that and the game day stuff like, I'd like

790
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Speaker 1: to see them take a step forward offensively, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with Joe moorehead and

792
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Speaker 1: now he's there one full year, so you know, it's

793
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Speaker 1: a lot of remains to be seen. Sort of stuff

794
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Speaker 1: that we say about a lot of programs this time

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Speaker 1: of year. But I really hope the answer is to

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Speaker 1: all those are yes, be cause the PAC twelve badly

797
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Speaker 1: needs someone to step up, and if Southern Col's not

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Speaker 1: going to do it, Oregon has to be the one

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 2: In an ideal world.

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Speaker 1: You have multiple programs doing that. That's how the ideal

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Speaker 1: world works. Are a good podcast. I have got a

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Speaker 1: lot to do today, but I so appreciate the traction

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Speaker 1: we're getting here. And let me ask you this. Do

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Speaker 1: you want this podcast to remain free? I hear universal yeses.

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Speaker 1: One of you weirdos said no, you'd like to pay

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Speaker 1: for it?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, no no, we want to keep it free. And

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Speaker 2: what do you have to do to keep it free.

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Speaker 2: This is it. Follow me on Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: At late kick Josh five star reviews, we're approaching sixteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine I'm going to put it in your hands.

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Speaker 1: But I would imagine we can have sixteen hundred five

814
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Speaker 1: star reviews by the next podcast, and that is about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, subscribe to the YouTube channel. Like these are

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Speaker 1: the things, none of them cost you a penny that

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Speaker 1: we have to do to keep this podcast and this

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Speaker 1: show free.

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Speaker 2: Easy enough. I think there is no catch.

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Speaker 1: By the way, someone hit me up the other day

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Speaker 1: and said, my girlfriend hears you say that when I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast and says, there's got to be

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Speaker 1: a catch to that. Well, there's no catch. Normally there is.

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Speaker 1: I would caution you to keep your guard up when

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Speaker 1: someone talks about that. And it's going to stay free,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But in this case, it really will

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Speaker 1: stay free as long as we do as an audience

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Speaker 1: what we need to do. I say we, because yes,

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Speaker 1: I gave our own podcast a five star review. I'm

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Speaker 1: not too proud to admit it. Without me, we would

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Speaker 1: only be at fifteen hundred and ninety one five star reviews.

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Speaker 1: So Thank you for that, Thank you for everything.

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Speaker 2: That you're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's going to have a great build up to the season.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot in the works. It's very close. It's

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Speaker 1: very close, working on it late last night.

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Speaker 2: Very close.

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Speaker 1: Just stay tuned, as they say in the biz, so

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Speaker 1: for producer, either Lance or Jordan. Who knows who's going

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Speaker 1: to get their hands on this when I hand it off,

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Speaker 1: But it'll be out very shortly.

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Speaker 2: I know that. I'm Josh Pate.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening, have yourselves a great rest

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Speaker 1: of your day, and God bless