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Speaker 4: on the team of Barry Church and the Yeah, tell
Speaker 4: us some special teams, NEWI Scrugs and Peter.
Speaker 2: Wait, so let's just hit it right there. Okay, the
Speaker 2: game twenty block the punt.
Speaker 4: And when you say Peter, because you play college football
Speaker 4: at the highest level, so explain it. Because it is
Speaker 4: in college football, it is in professional football.
Speaker 2: What Peter means.
Speaker 5: It means get the hell away. That's what it means.
Speaker 5: When you hear Peter. It means, no matter what you do,
Speaker 5: you see ball near, you do not touch it.
Speaker 2: Get away. Peter.
Speaker 5: That is as universal a word as you could ever
Speaker 5: hear on a football field. I don't care on what
Speaker 5: level you hear it. Peter get Away. And that was
Speaker 5: the heartbreak though. The heartbreak of that game was you
Speaker 5: missed every opportunity to possibly win it outright. Initially offensively,
Speaker 5: you struggle, but it came down to a special teams play.
Speaker 5: Now we know today that there was no such block.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a block called missed assignment. You come through
Speaker 5: Scott Free, you make a block, you do, you make
Speaker 5: a play.
Speaker 2: That's just what you're doing. There's no thinking about that,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 5: But the rules state tip ball goes past line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: It is what lie.
Speaker 5: Is it live?
Speaker 2: It's five.
Speaker 5: And the thing is like, to me, I don't insult
Speaker 5: nobody's intelligence that plays in the National Football League. I
Speaker 5: won't because I believe you know, the rule ain't no
Speaker 5: what it is, no way, there's no way you go
Speaker 5: out there and you play. And in that situation that
Speaker 5: you did not have situational awareness to know that if
Speaker 5: you touch this ball, what was going to ensue from
Speaker 5: that moment for somebody made a bone headed play. Barry Church, Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: it was it was bone headed, and I refuse to
Speaker 5: believe that bone's fossil didn't go through this in camp
Speaker 5: ot as practices where even if you get a block,
Speaker 5: tip tip the ball block and it goes past the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. That's, like you said, that's on all levels,
Speaker 5: high school, college pros. Literally you saying, Peter, don't touch
Speaker 5: the football because there's nothing that good can come out
Speaker 5: of that. Nothing good can come out of you touching
Speaker 5: the football once it's blocked and it goes past the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: All the punt team can do is down it the glory.
Speaker 2: That's all they can do is down the ball. There's
Speaker 2: no reason for you to touch.
Speaker 6: That glory and that unless unless there's no one near you,
Speaker 6: you're twenty yards away from everybody, and your name is
Speaker 6: come oft the turpid, then you can touch the football
Speaker 6: and pick it up.
Speaker 5: Other than that, let that thing go. But we've seen it.
Speaker 5: This ain't the first time. No, it's not with the
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys that we've seen special teams say you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put this on my shoulders. This is my opportunity, right,
Speaker 5: I could do I could do it. I believe believe
Speaker 5: in me. I know we got an offense. I know
Speaker 5: we got a defense, but you know what special teams.
Speaker 5: We're gonna hold it down right here? Ye ain't Thomas?
Speaker 2: I believe I.
Speaker 5: Saw a look, got the look, got the look. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go ahead call this. We're gonna do a pass
Speaker 5: on the word was activated? Activate, got activate look activated?
Speaker 5: He saw the look? So is he activated? Another opportunity? Washington.
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, all you had to catch
Speaker 5: security on side, can get down, game over?
Speaker 2: You know what? This is my turn. I got the
Speaker 2: ball tucked high and tight. I'm out of here. I'm
Speaker 2: going for a touchdown. That's another number, and then and
Speaker 2: then this time, and I feel.
Speaker 5: So bad for my guy. I don't want to butcher
Speaker 5: his name all over. Ala Wari, Halla Wari. I don't
Speaker 5: want to Ali Wari. Come on, man, what did you
Speaker 5: think was gonna happen? You gonna you gonna Scooper score?
Speaker 5: Make a couple of guys miss high step into the
Speaker 5: end zone.
Speaker 2: Because this is an issue.
Speaker 4: And they said it good on the Dallas Cowboys broadcast
Speaker 4: and they were talking about something else, but Babe Loockpers said,
Speaker 4: problems you can fix issues are not fixable.
Speaker 2: We have special teams issues. As you look at this
Speaker 2: whole season.
Speaker 4: And when I saw the play, I posted on social media.
Speaker 4: This is how bad teams get beat. What have we
Speaker 4: seen about the Kansas City Chiefs the last month?
Speaker 2: They keep fighting.
Speaker 5: That's what good teams. They don't beat themselves.
Speaker 4: That's what a super Bowl team is. We're gonna figure
Speaker 4: it out. You know, it ain't looking good, but we're
Speaker 4: gonna sneak out of the bear trap. You too young
Speaker 4: to remember this, but back in the day, remember the
Speaker 4: Boston Celtic's always found some kind of way to win
Speaker 4: a game. Larry Birds and DJ just right here, like
Speaker 4: god it again, don't come on it. That's what they do.
Speaker 4: Just hate Duke basketball still do by the way and win.
Speaker 4: That's what they do. That's what the good teams do.
Speaker 4: I'm doug on it. Pittsburgh Steelers, Patriots Super fourteen, like
Speaker 4: they going down. They're going down to the rams and
Speaker 4: you know what, boom snuck out of it. Next thing
Speaker 4: you Star Wars. The good ones do that. The bad
Speaker 4: ones do this last night. So that's what happened when
Speaker 4: I saw the punt block, and then okay, It's not
Speaker 4: just the block the punt and then you touch it
Speaker 4: and then they get the ball back.
Speaker 2: It's the forty touchdown passed.
Speaker 5: I was give it. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now I got to
Speaker 5: ask this question because I know your man is the
Speaker 5: one out in LA, but yesterday you had a front
Speaker 5: row seat to actually see Joe Burrow. We've had this
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow discussion on this show several times. Barry Church
Speaker 5: after actually seeing the surgery with no anesthesia that was
Speaker 5: performed yesterday.
Speaker 2: But Joe Burrow, what say you? What say you up about?
Speaker 2: Cool Joe? Not Joe cool cool Joe.
Speaker 5: He's unreal. Yeah, he's the way he was. Michael Parsons
Speaker 5: and them dudes was breathing down.
Speaker 2: His back the entire game.
Speaker 5: This man had As soon as he snapped the ball,
Speaker 5: I gotta make something move And it wasn't like he
Speaker 5: was scrambling the way he manipulated.
Speaker 2: The pocket and was able to step up.
Speaker 5: And I know number ones down there somewhere, and the
Speaker 5: how many comebacks can you get beat?
Speaker 7: Then?
Speaker 2: Come on, man, look at the time you look, but
Speaker 2: I need you to go further. It's not just that Okay,
Speaker 2: it's not just the comebacks. Man, you have been here.
Speaker 4: We've been preaching Borough for years. Okay, But what I
Speaker 4: want to hear you say is after you saw it live. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure and in person. Yeah, that Joe Burrow is
Speaker 4: better than Justin Herbert. That's what I need you to see.
Speaker 5: I say that, but I mean he's unreal. Come on
Speaker 5: in a man's five and eight, man, come on that. Okay,
Speaker 5: best receiver with that offensive line with no coaching. We
Speaker 5: seen them do it before.
Speaker 2: Man took them to a Super Bowl three years and
Speaker 2: had the ball.
Speaker 4: In his hands going down the field until the old
Speaker 4: line got exposed and somebody they decided that Aaron Donald
Speaker 4: wasn't worth double team.
Speaker 2: I don't know who did that. Joe Burrow is elite.
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is good. Joe Burrow is Burrow is elite.
Speaker 5: Let me just say, let me let me say that
Speaker 5: I leave because I'm not gonna open that. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna argue with you because I know how you, I
Speaker 5: know how your loyalty flows, so I'm not gonna do
Speaker 5: that to the show.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say this.
Speaker 5: You can't no, no, no, no, if the if the
Speaker 5: Bengals defense was twenty percent better. The Bengals would be
Speaker 5: a problem today in the AFC.
Speaker 2: All right, they'd be back in the super Bowl again.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, based off, based off of what I
Speaker 5: see with Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. There there are two
Speaker 5: great quarterbacks in the NFL. Joe Burrow is one of them,
Speaker 5: and the other guy you can't even argue with. Just
Speaker 5: I'm sitting out there watching, I'm telling my son. With
Speaker 5: me and my son, we're at the game, and I
Speaker 5: took his phone, give me your phone, but I put
Speaker 5: this one.
Speaker 2: You need to see this right, This is surgery.
Speaker 8: Son.
Speaker 2: Do you see this? He throwing the ball. He's throwing
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 5: Before the receiver even comes out of his break and
Speaker 5: make you ask yourself, what the hell who are he
Speaker 5: throwing to? And in this industry we try and put
Speaker 5: cumps together all the time.
Speaker 2: Who is the COUMP for this guy?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: This guy isn't?
Speaker 5: There is no there's no one to compare. And you
Speaker 5: be doing yourself disservice to all those greats as well,
Speaker 5: because this young man is absolutely off the charts when
Speaker 5: it comes down to arm strength, his ability to maneuver
Speaker 5: the pocket, uh, throwing on the run, throwing state, I
Speaker 5: mean stationary, all of that his receivers.
Speaker 2: If I'm a receiver in the national.
Speaker 5: In college, I pray to God that you come to
Speaker 5: the to the podium and tell me to go to Cincinnati,
Speaker 5: then I'm going because of the way, I mean Yoshi
Speaker 5: or whoever the Yoshi vash see, Higgins.
Speaker 2: Left a lot of food on his plate. Did he
Speaker 2: even get a catch? He did? But how many did
Speaker 2: he drop?
Speaker 4: This is what I've always found interesting about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: How good were those practices that Dwayne Haskins beat him
Speaker 4: out at Ohio?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? How what was that like?
Speaker 4: Is they were going in practice and just like yeah, bruh,
Speaker 4: you're good. But but we going with him? And you know,
Speaker 4: Haskins was at Ohio's date. I forget what prose Ohio
Speaker 4: State was putting it on. So nobody was like, hey man,
Speaker 4: you know Joe Burrow left. Nobody cried he have a
Speaker 4: right up on it. It was just it was just
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: L s U.
Speaker 2: Now, so did they bring up this? Uh? My buddy
Speaker 2: was coaching in Texas.
Speaker 4: He was dB coach in Texas when LSU went down
Speaker 4: there at Austin. They played a great game, okay, bothing
Speaker 4: back and forth, and so Pace tells me the next day,
Speaker 4: like in the film session charm Hermit just killing them all, gosh.
Speaker 2: Ain't no good, no coaching, just wanting to bench fla me.
Speaker 2: He just all of it. And my boy did he
Speaker 2: because hey, man, they're good. This dude is I mean, he's.
Speaker 4: Just addressing him, going crazy, and he's like, those are
Speaker 4: NFL guys, and lo and behold the end of the
Speaker 4: year average fifty, you know, arguably the greatest offensive football
Speaker 4: team of all time.
Speaker 2: Burrow wins the Heisman, you know, chases chases.
Speaker 9: The first Jeffers so fair think about running back is
Speaker 9: the first round and Dom Herman went out there and
Speaker 9: just killed my boy to dB coach mad as hell
Speaker 9: at him and he's and he's.
Speaker 4: Literally, they're good, man, This was a really good team.
Speaker 4: Like they're going to do this all year long. And
Speaker 4: then come to find out, ya, Herman got.
Speaker 2: They did to all pro corners yesterday, all Pro Pro
Speaker 2: Bowl good players. These are all.
Speaker 5: Pro And you, as a former defensive back, you look
Speaker 5: at the job that Digs and Bland and Lewis did.
Speaker 2: They was fighting to the right.
Speaker 4: There the ball place, the wide receiver pack tipped to
Speaker 4: the defense man was there, and they could have got
Speaker 4: to fifty every time.
Speaker 5: Hold it out there you see arms rubbing over it,
Speaker 5: just holding out step out of bounds.
Speaker 4: The first you tell me when you saw the first touchdown,
Speaker 4: I said to myself, he's just good. The Chase is
Speaker 4: just good. It's and obviously you know because you were
Speaker 4: an NFL dB. Hey man, sometimes it's just man that
Speaker 4: he's just good. It's kind of like, you know, hey,
Speaker 4: you put all this defense on Jordan, Oh, Michael, okay, whatever,
Speaker 4: Nothing I could do.
Speaker 2: He just good. Ball placement is there. It's accurate, like
Speaker 2: a Treitman football. It is accurate. He's Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: He just there's nothing digs like I'm not looking at
Speaker 4: these like, oh man, you stink no, no, that that's
Speaker 4: this is what great And we don't see we actually
Speaker 4: maybe the worst elite because this is like you you know,
Speaker 4: you top three, like you chas is it there? You
Speaker 4: can't he there cowboys at all. They could do Mike
Speaker 4: Zimmers even they did their job, But at.
Speaker 2: What point are you gonna double the man? Like that's
Speaker 2: what we say. We did all he could do. Man,
Speaker 2: you it was blind.
Speaker 5: I understand they're all pros and they got to suit
Speaker 5: up to the challenge.
Speaker 2: I get it, But.
Speaker 5: At what point are you like, man, look one underneath
Speaker 5: one over top. We're playing nine on the level because
Speaker 5: nobody else was doing anything. Yoshi put a couple of
Speaker 5: catches here and there. See Higgins ain't had nothing. Like,
Speaker 5: At what point.
Speaker 2: Are you saying, you know what, this dude is unstoppable.
Speaker 5: We're gonna put a corner right underneath them at a
Speaker 5: safety on top because I'm looking, at what point? At
Speaker 5: one point you gotta treat this man like this dude
Speaker 5: is like mass out here right now to us, Like,
Speaker 5: y'all see that y'all was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy in Texas.
Speaker 5: Second, at what point are you like cause the game
Speaker 5: win the forty yarders?
Speaker 2: It was blad in Chase, but because when he missed
Speaker 2: that tackle, there was nobody else over there. You at
Speaker 2: what point are you like? You know prior to side boy,
Speaker 2: you get double team.
Speaker 5: I don't care if the corners are they're saying, I
Speaker 5: want this, I want going to You don't want this challenge,
Speaker 5: you don't want to come on over. I'd have been like,
Speaker 5: I'm on top, bro, yeah out here what you say?
Speaker 2: You're right?
Speaker 4: I still think that defense like that was enough. They
Speaker 4: did enough, like a defense, the defense they did. The offense,
Speaker 4: the play calling, that's your issue there. Let's get a
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Speaker 2: Sh I was right there, right right there, waiting. I
Speaker 2: had ready ann to put out. He was like he
Speaker 2: turn on the store about here.
Speaker 5: He was getting Walter White out there. Boy, y'all was nervous.
Speaker 5: Y'all was nervous. Was nervous, double thud like. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 5: they're really about to.
Speaker 2: Chase going in there? God him, so.
Speaker 5: Come back over. I was with Michael second, let get
Speaker 5: out of here. He was from out of here.
Speaker 4: Friday year, Yes, Friday, put Michael from out of here.
Speaker 5: Man came, I've done that in the park a couple
Speaker 5: of times. Take my body, Goren. I don't know how
Speaker 5: you're gonna play, but I'm gone, I'll go to leave it.
Speaker 5: We did our NFA picks. I missed two games last week.
Speaker 5: Wrong on Arizona Seattle because I took Arizona and I
Speaker 5: took took Josh Allen and lost in that RAM game.
Speaker 2: I think I tooked und Church.
Speaker 4: You took the Rams, but you were wrong because you
Speaker 4: took the charges over Kansas City.
Speaker 2: And you took call of duty and you lost the game.
Speaker 4: Heck, but you were rolling, but then you picked Buffalo
Speaker 4: as well, and then you picked the Cowboys, so we
Speaker 4: both lost two games.
Speaker 2: I was rolling, well, I went with my hearts. I
Speaker 2: ain't doing They didn't put me all the way to
Speaker 2: the edge. The Bengals are who we thought they were.
Speaker 2: Let them out the hook.
Speaker 5: One play away, one play away had it one. After
Speaker 5: all of that, after all of that, after all of that,
Speaker 5: Joe bro were talking about Jamar Chase, after all of
Speaker 5: that surgery, after all of that, after my man, Cooper
Speaker 5: Rush is disappearing.
Speaker 2: He was off fault. He was bad. He was bad.
Speaker 2: The first drive.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, he make it look
Speaker 5: a little easy. Look he was missing wide open. You
Speaker 5: were there, you didn't get the TV copy. You was
Speaker 5: watching it, like, yo, he's missing. He's comming. I mean
Speaker 5: strength man, like you saw his balls just kind of fluttering.
Speaker 2: There's no like zip, y'all see it, there's no zip
Speaker 2: to it. Off.
Speaker 5: He could have had about three picks, yes, yes, that
Speaker 5: and the one in the on the gold in the
Speaker 5: red zone. I mean four bangles over there. I had
Speaker 5: a chance at it.
Speaker 4: Let's have let's have a quick conversation about let's do it.
Speaker 4: He's a free agent.
Speaker 5: After I said, man, he's a solid back, like he's
Speaker 5: one of he gotta be one of the top backups
Speaker 5: international Football League.
Speaker 2: If you if he's not.
Speaker 5: A guy that's gonna come in and save your season
Speaker 5: like we saw obviously this year, but spot duty, he
Speaker 5: can come and get you a victory or two or three.
Speaker 5: So I think he's a decent backup. You know, he's
Speaker 5: just not a guy that can be the franchise.
Speaker 4: Last night, he needed him to be better and he wasn't.
Speaker 4: He needed you needed this and this was this was
Speaker 4: a bad defense.
Speaker 2: Now, thank you.
Speaker 5: That's the point. Okay, that's the point. It's not we
Speaker 5: don't ask you to do this versus Baltimore. We're not
Speaker 5: asking you to I mean, this is a they were gettable.
Speaker 5: They were gettable and and oh my God, you running.
Speaker 2: Rico Dattle was going crazy? What eighteen one thirty one
Speaker 2: for Rico? Are you kidding?
Speaker 5: We were talking about balance, We were talking about balance
Speaker 5: all last week. How this could you couldn't get into
Speaker 5: a shootout. You maintained according to script, you did everything
Speaker 5: that you needed to do. What happens too late in
Speaker 5: the game where you come out and you blunder those possessions.
Speaker 2: Cooper was all you was offul Man. He couldn't hit,
Speaker 2: he couldn't hit nothing. He was awful.
Speaker 5: I'll get he was awful, you know, and in a
Speaker 5: backup situation, but he's a backup quarterback. And at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, it was a blunder on specialty.
Speaker 5: You know, if Ala wal don't go in there and
Speaker 5: try to be Superman.
Speaker 2: But you're both correct.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're correct about the punt and heck's correct about
Speaker 4: you was awful, Coop us. This is a bad defense
Speaker 4: and so this is this is where you're supposed to
Speaker 4: get this done against a bad defense.
Speaker 2: And if you can't do it here, are you going
Speaker 2: to keep investing in this or do you.
Speaker 4: Decide to go look at what else where else can
Speaker 4: we go and try to improve on this.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Trey Lance is the answer. But at
Speaker 4: some point in time, now this thing is done. You're
Speaker 4: five and eight.
Speaker 2: Thus wrap.
Speaker 4: So so as you start to look at twenty five,
Speaker 4: how are you going to Jerry talked about when he's
Speaker 4: still trying to stick a rush?
Speaker 2: But for what? Right for who? For what? For who?
Speaker 2: For what?
Speaker 4: I mean, figure out what what do you have so
Speaker 4: you can do something with this position. But you just
Speaker 4: did not see enough. This is a bad football team defensively,
Speaker 4: the Bengals were bad defense.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta be able, like you said, you gotta
Speaker 5: be able to take advantage.
Speaker 2: And I feel like man.
Speaker 5: Because McCarthy, I feel like he was pushing or dialing
Speaker 5: the right buttons out there. I mean, play call was shaky.
Speaker 5: But the run game, they had a balance attack. You
Speaker 5: Rico got his fill out there. I think he had
Speaker 5: like a buck thirty something on the ground or it
Speaker 5: was a balanced attack. Cooper, he just he didn't have
Speaker 5: his best game. He did not have his best game
Speaker 5: by far. But I feel like they did enough offensively
Speaker 5: and defensively against a team like the Bengals.
Speaker 2: That's averaging thirty some points a game.
Speaker 5: You hold them until that last chase, you hold them
Speaker 5: to twenty points.
Speaker 2: You go in there and get the block specialty. But
Speaker 2: go back to what Happen has been saying throughout the game.
Speaker 4: If Cooper Rush is able to take some advantage of
Speaker 4: some of these opportunities.
Speaker 2: You're not even in this game. You're not even.
Speaker 5: It's not as close as it is because you're driving
Speaker 5: on this defense, You're you're moving up and down the field.
Speaker 5: You're just not able in points out the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 5: stab yourself, you know, because you you put yourself in
Speaker 5: a position where you cost him. And I think any
Speaker 5: quarterback where this salt understands ball security when you get
Speaker 5: down to the red zone is foremost not that it
Speaker 5: isn't the whole game, but especially in those situations but
Speaker 5: late in the game. And that's why, like for Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: I'm just like, you can't separate him from the office
Speaker 5: because he's the play caller.
Speaker 2: He's the play caller. So when you're the play call.
Speaker 5: In that situation, and we had to go back to
Speaker 5: these decisions where your office is struggling, but you're still
Speaker 5: throwing the ball, Like come on, Mike, I understand.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I could feel that the add of pressure.
Speaker 5: Even when the roof was open, I could still feel
Speaker 5: the pressure that you was under. But come on, now,
Speaker 5: turn and hand that ball to Rico Dalo because he's
Speaker 5: rewarding you. Our offensive line is a makeshift offensive line.
Speaker 5: Cooper BB goes out with the concussion in the first half,
Speaker 5: and he was having a hell of a game. Brock Hoffman,
Speaker 5: for all the titles and everything that they put on
Speaker 5: him trying to build him up, dude, dude comes in
Speaker 5: and plays center and does it. Still does a damn
Speaker 5: good job and playing the center position, and still your
Speaker 5: offense is rolling. But in those moments right there, we
Speaker 5: asked the best of the best. I asked you, I said, man,
Speaker 5: what is it why you can't why you can't hook
Speaker 5: your kaboos to this coaching staff. He was like, in
Speaker 5: those moments, it's the moments that you're looking for, and
Speaker 5: it's that moment, that very slim moment right there where
Speaker 5: you had a chance to make a difference in this game,
Speaker 5: in the play call and probably cost you down the stretch.
Speaker 4: And that's when you get back to the conversation about
Speaker 4: a Cooper Rush, you want to sign up for another
Speaker 4: year of this? And you look at Mike McCarthy, do
Speaker 4: you want to sign up for more of this? These
Speaker 4: are the questions that you have to ask. This was
Speaker 4: a gettable game against an elite quarterback. I just and
Speaker 4: you couldn't get it cut. But this is what bad
Speaker 4: teams do.
Speaker 2: Canshoo this question though.
Speaker 5: You know, we look at talent, and we look at
Speaker 5: Cincinnati what they have on offense and their receiving corps,
Speaker 5: guys like T Higgins, Joe Shi Vash and in their
Speaker 5: tight end man, we don't aside from CD Lamb, who
Speaker 5: else is it? Who else is there that you could
Speaker 5: say can take some of the pressure off of coverage
Speaker 5: for a guy like CD. Even if what you're talking about,
Speaker 5: what you're saying with Jamar Chase, why didn't they double
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase? Well, you don't double Jamart because you know
Speaker 5: T Higgas gonna go crazy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I'm just hell, but.
Speaker 5: It's gonna happen. Somebody gonna get this. You know, you
Speaker 5: have a quarterback that's willing to do it. But when
Speaker 5: you have a quarterback that's struggling and he's trying to
Speaker 5: find guys, and he's definitely trying to find the main target,
Speaker 5: which is Cede Lamb.
Speaker 2: Who else is there?
Speaker 5: I mean, you're just not getting any production from anybody else,
Speaker 5: not numbered eighty eight.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 4: I thought I thought Brad Sham did a real nice job.
Speaker 4: But telling the truth about Jay October, he's like, hey man,
Speaker 4: that's been disappointing. Yeah, he said after the camp he
Speaker 4: expected him to do more. He thought he could be
Speaker 4: a number two. It's like he's not number three, number two,
Speaker 4: and he hasn't been that guy. But I go back
Speaker 4: to what many of those who had been out at
Speaker 4: camp had been saying, it's CD and the Maybies, it's not.
Speaker 4: This is not it and you know one of those
Speaker 4: great Stephen Jones on it. We like our guys, Brandon
Speaker 4: Cooks is he was injured and let's just be honest.
Speaker 4: That's been a nine million dollar bad that's been bad
Speaker 4: money right there. Cooks has not been the player you
Speaker 4: thought he was going to be. Tolbert not the players
Speaker 4: you thought he was gonna be. So you're two and
Speaker 4: three have failed you. And then everything else they were
Speaker 4: trying to put behind that has not worked out either.
Speaker 4: That's that is so so for the the amount of
Speaker 4: criticism Dak Prescott got he's not this, He's not that.
Speaker 2: It's been CD and the Maybies and the media has
Speaker 2: said it. The media who who? Who questioned? What are
Speaker 2: you doing? The running back spot?
Speaker 4: Why did it take so long for you to say, Hey,
Speaker 4: Rico Daddell, here's some more care. Why did it take
Speaker 4: so long to say, hey, let's get Turpin involved offensive?
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 4: As much as I stood on the table for Mike
Speaker 4: last year and the job he did, I have to
Speaker 4: be fair in my assessment and say, you know what
Speaker 4: this this this year has been a regression. You can
Speaker 4: try and argue about what the carpenter's tools are, but
Speaker 4: at some point in time you got to use the tools,
Speaker 4: and you're finding out way too late some of the
Speaker 4: tools that you need.
Speaker 2: We go down on one thirty one last night.
Speaker 4: I know the Bengals defense isn't good, but where could
Speaker 4: you have been if you had been trying to give
Speaker 4: this young man more opportunities?
Speaker 2: Where were you?
Speaker 4: Where were you at and not realizing that what Comante
Speaker 4: Turpin is doing now these opportunities, this is what he
Speaker 4: been doing to TCU. They've been giving the guy the
Speaker 4: football in space and letting him just be a mismatch nightmare.
Speaker 2: That's what they gotta get.
Speaker 5: Get back to screens, slants, the little buff the sweeps
Speaker 5: with some don't give this man a lie down down
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 2: How many times have we.
Speaker 5: Seen one on one they're gonna throw it up the
Speaker 5: turbine like he's six ' five, which he was.
Speaker 2: They did it again last week, and I'm I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: and I don't Mike knows the personnel. I know he
Speaker 2: knows this, but who's drawing that up four or five
Speaker 2: eight receiver?
Speaker 4: This is this is what this is. This is what
Speaker 4: gets you. This is what this is how you say
Speaker 4: goodbye bye. You're helping yourself.
Speaker 5: Cannot understanding. Look, it's taking ric o'doddo regardless how you found.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to down anybody. I'm just saying thirteen.
Speaker 5: It's taking him thirteen games. He has been the source
Speaker 5: of a lot of frustration of just not being able
Speaker 5: to see and identify the whole and get through it.
Speaker 5: His running style was not made for this offensive line
Speaker 5: he's had because the blocking hadn't got better. You had
Speaker 5: you didn't have a better offensive line. Out there yesterday, right,
Speaker 5: So I mean, what what changed about ric o'dado in
Speaker 5: this game that you didn't see in the Detroit game?
Speaker 5: That you didn't see it? So that's all I'm saying. Look,
Speaker 5: I think he's doing he's running better. Matter of fact,
Speaker 5: his running style I think fits perfectly to the offensive
Speaker 5: line that he has. But man, come on, now, let's
Speaker 5: just let's not act like rick o'daldo started the season
Speaker 5: off hot like this, carrying the ball like what I'm
Speaker 5: seeing right now I wish I saw at the beginning
Speaker 5: of the season. Is all I'm saying. The rhythm that
Speaker 5: he's getting into now he looks like a damn better
Speaker 5: running back now.
Speaker 4: So I come back to this, It's about opportunities Church,
Speaker 4: you played this game. It's about being able to play,
Speaker 4: get opportunities and get a rhythm as a running back
Speaker 4: goes none of what they did this year at the
Speaker 4: running back position from the start.
Speaker 2: Can't argue with that. I can't argue what's the plan, strategy?
Speaker 4: You come the strategy, you get the strategy, and it's
Speaker 4: just like m and so by the time you figured out.
Speaker 2: What it is you want to do, you're late in
Speaker 2: the game and you're just.
Speaker 5: Like or Or you figure out that Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 5: a step slower he's supposed to be to take the
Speaker 5: top off threat.
Speaker 4: Now he hurt you know, he hurt me, hurt so
Speaker 4: and and Tolbert. You know, look, man, you got your.
Speaker 2: Opportunities, the opportunity you didn't do anything with it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's.
Speaker 4: This is the kind of stuff that Jerry has to
Speaker 4: look at the end of the year and make a
Speaker 4: decision on do I want more years of this? And
Speaker 4: if I do, how do I change it? How do
Speaker 4: I improve the roster so he's better? Yeah, they're guys.
Speaker 4: I mean right now, you can't bring back Randon Cooks.
Speaker 2: No, you can't bring him back.
Speaker 4: If Jalen Tolbert comes back, he needs to be looked
Speaker 4: at as a number three, not not as a the
Speaker 4: dude on the other side of cdee lamb.
Speaker 2: So you have you you need a number two wide receiver.
Speaker 2: You're running back room.
Speaker 4: You can bring Rico Daddle back, but you can't bring
Speaker 4: back EZEKIELI.
Speaker 2: It no, No, I mean it's you need you need
Speaker 2: more help in that room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, you do. Can we say something about over
Speaker 5: shown let's let's hit a y, hit the breaking. Come
Speaker 5: back this, let's hit the breaking and dive in, dive
Speaker 5: into what.
Speaker 2: Happened to that forefront receiver?
Speaker 7: No like that?
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Speaker 5: Man?
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Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Bengals on.
Speaker 2: Jerry World scraped. I was bringing that back. I see Barry.
Speaker 4: Churchway safeties here as Church tried to Warren Heckman, don't
Speaker 4: do it, get on it, stay away one play away,
Speaker 4: one play away.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Olive, my man. That's why you get off
Speaker 2: that narcotic sir. I tried, I tried. You knew they
Speaker 2: were going to I was I was good for a
Speaker 2: long time. Then in two wins, like did anybody interview
Speaker 2: my mask? Alli like and just asking like.
Speaker 5: Man, what No, they escorted him out. I think they
Speaker 5: got you know, they got him away from the media.
Speaker 2: What would you like, come on?
Speaker 5: Would there would have been There was nothing that he
Speaker 5: could have said after of that game that would have
Speaker 5: satisfied you. And I'm glad that they didn't put him
Speaker 5: in front of what could he have said? Barry that
Speaker 5: Barry Church would have been like, you know what, I
Speaker 5: could see that man, that's one of the thought process,
Speaker 5: like saw the ball towards me, you know, and activating
Speaker 5: there talking about he said his back was thirty you
Speaker 5: know he saw the ball, Why.
Speaker 2: Why go attack the ball? This matrix? So what happened?
Speaker 2: Does anybody get out of fire?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: That he went at the ball though. This is how man,
Speaker 2: this is how this is how bad.
Speaker 5: It ain't like it bounced at him, like he just
Speaker 5: couldn't get out the way he went at the ball.
Speaker 2: Man, his opportunity this I got this, we got like
Speaker 2: like fat Joe got that.
Speaker 5: Y'all got that job because like I even if it
Speaker 5: didn't get blocked and the punter shanked it.
Speaker 2: You still not get away from it. Get away from it.
Speaker 4: I got this you know by the way they're showing
Speaker 4: the replay right now right here in the studio or
Speaker 4: rat the Cooper Rush interception with CD lamb and clearly
Speaker 4: he thought CD was doing something else because there was
Speaker 4: a miscommunicator.
Speaker 2: He got bumped right here if you.
Speaker 5: See a twenty seven bumpy mob and then he threw it,
Speaker 5: so he thought, I mean he threw it before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it and he threw it back after
Speaker 2: the back city is hurt.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: That should ain't that should ain't right. He's soldiering right now.
Speaker 5: Then if you saw him on that jet sweep when
Speaker 5: that one was like when he got down, he's trying to.
Speaker 2: He didn't want no smoke.
Speaker 5: He was not gonna try and muscle another yard because
Speaker 5: of that shoulder. That is I don't know, man, Hey
Speaker 5: the eye in the sky donline. So I know they
Speaker 5: said they sit down today or they're off to day.
Speaker 5: Whenever they sat down and gonna watch this film. There's
Speaker 5: gonna be causes in effect for that one. And maybe
Speaker 5: it was because CD didn't try and run. They're gonna
Speaker 5: be circling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this, this is not what we want, right, It's
Speaker 2: not what we want. That ball into three Bengals, Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones did his Tuesday hit on one O five three,
Speaker 4: the fan of flagship station for the Dallas Cowboys, and
Speaker 4: he came out and he said, Domoro Overshowon is going
Speaker 4: to have surgery.
Speaker 2: He's going to miss the rest of this season. And
Speaker 2: basically Jerry Sam may not see him until twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 4: So with the he's the other knee, not the need
Speaker 4: that he lost his rookie or on, but another knee
Speaker 4: in just different places.
Speaker 2: And just, man, this is bad.
Speaker 4: And I think I can speak for all three of us,
Speaker 4: and I think I could speak for Cowboy nation. This
Speaker 4: is a young man who you really had high hopes
Speaker 4: for that you thought was going to be another piece
Speaker 4: to go along with the Michael Parsons and this was
Speaker 4: going to be the future of the team. And this
Speaker 4: you hate it for the young man who's a positive
Speaker 4: young man. You hated, You just hated for the process
Speaker 4: of what you're building for and thinking in twenty twenty five. Hey,
Speaker 4: Marian Overshown is going to be more experienced because this
Speaker 4: is really his first year playing. This guy was playing well.
Speaker 2: This hurts.
Speaker 5: It hurts big time because you could just see the
Speaker 5: juice he was bringing on the football field, like I mean,
Speaker 5: just any type.
Speaker 2: Of play, tackle, big play.
Speaker 5: He's getting people amped up with it as just how
Speaker 5: he is on the football field, and you need that
Speaker 5: type of player with you on the team, somebody that hey,
Speaker 5: when we're starting to slow, let me go ahead, jump
Speaker 5: start this.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he was bringing to the table.
Speaker 2: And it sucks because each.
Speaker 5: Week he was just getting better and better and more confident,
Speaker 5: making plays left and right and really becoming a leader
Speaker 5: on that defense. And then you just hate to see
Speaker 5: this type of thing happen to a young man out there,
Speaker 5: already lost his rookie season toil. I believe the left
Speaker 5: a CL or the right and now the other need
Speaker 5: you know, the reports are saying he tore all three
Speaker 5: MCL pc L A c L And it's just like, man,
Speaker 5: that rehab is going to be tough, man, especially knowing
Speaker 5: that you you know, more than likely won't be ready
Speaker 5: for that next season. It's just like, man, it's a
Speaker 5: long road, man, and the light at the end of
Speaker 5: the tunnel is a long way away, man, So you know,
Speaker 5: god speed to him, you know, you know, hope his
Speaker 5: mentals is all right and he's able to soldier through
Speaker 5: this and maybe have a great bounce back.
Speaker 2: But man, this is where you need your teammates. This
Speaker 2: is where you need guys to you know, check up
Speaker 2: in on you.
Speaker 5: Because when you I've been there, I've been you know,
Speaker 5: Achilles shoulder, where I'm out for the whole season, it
Speaker 5: becomes dark, man, it becomes real dark. But you gotta
Speaker 5: have those guys that come in and check up on
Speaker 5: you and make you still feel like you're a part
Speaker 5: of the team. And you know, hopefully those with the
Speaker 5: guys in the locker room will be able to do
Speaker 5: that for him. But you know, god speed and hopefully
Speaker 5: he's able to recover from this brutal injury.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Be I take from what you just said really one word,
Speaker 5: and that's the leader, a young man that came in
Speaker 5: really trying to find his place on this defense, with
Speaker 5: a defense that already had bona fide leaders on it.
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's just the opportunity to lead and when
Speaker 5: you get it, if you take advantage of it, then
Speaker 5: you don't have to do it by talking. It could
Speaker 5: be from your actions and everything he did. It didn't
Speaker 5: have anything to do with nothing he said out of
Speaker 5: his mouth. It was the way that he was playing
Speaker 5: on the field and he was putting the work in.
Speaker 5: And that's what I think I respect more than anything
Speaker 5: about the Marvin Overshonn is that he didn't try and
Speaker 5: make it about him last season, an injury, none of that.
Speaker 5: He came in here, he just did the work and
Speaker 5: just wanted to be a part of the team, the routine,
Speaker 5: and everybody around here started saying, damn, who.
Speaker 2: Do you see number thirteen?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Who is number thirteen?
Speaker 5: The Marvin overshan did that all by himself. And then
Speaker 5: you started to hear when Michael went down after week
Speaker 5: four with it with the injury. God's like number thirteen
Speaker 5: being people saying, Nah, the Marvin Overshaan's carrying things. He's
Speaker 5: the one that's stepping up. He's the one that's in
Speaker 5: the team meetings. And to me, like I look to
Speaker 5: where you got to and you understand what it means
Speaker 5: to have to miss that time and be a part
Speaker 5: of this. People that are away from football that paid
Speaker 5: any football the one thing they always say, what do
Speaker 5: you miss the most? The locker room, the camaraderie, what
Speaker 5: you get from having that fellowship amongst you know, football players.
Speaker 5: And that's why when things come out of the locker
Speaker 5: room like you're saying in Philadelphia, you know, you say
Speaker 5: to yourself, like, damn, you know, that's not normal because
Speaker 5: usually the locker room is sacred. You know, we don't
Speaker 5: let things come out of that. But when you get
Speaker 5: a young man that earns the respect of the entire
Speaker 5: locker room and veteran leadership that talks, that speaks to him.
Speaker 5: And my thing is, look, the injury is catastrophic.
Speaker 2: I was there. I saw it.
Speaker 5: It looked bad, right you saw that the Willison. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you ever saw the Willis McGahee injury
Speaker 5: in the Ohio State. That was one of those injuries
Speaker 5: that when you saw it in real time, you said
Speaker 5: to yourself, I don't know if this young man will
Speaker 5: ever play football player again again because of the way,
Speaker 5: because of the way happen. Then next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: Willis mcgahey is in the league. He's having production as
Speaker 5: a running back. And you know, but right now it
Speaker 5: may seem grim, and then it may not be a situation.
Speaker 5: And look, man, you know they say God don't make mistakes,
Speaker 5: not to get religious on y'all, but I still believe
Speaker 5: in that. And I believe that a young man of
Speaker 5: his caliber, of his background, and his family and everybody
Speaker 5: that's got him and everybody around here is going to,
Speaker 5: you know, form themselves around him and be a support
Speaker 5: system for him because he is a quality young man.
Speaker 5: And if he can make it back from this, because
Speaker 5: I don't know if he can make it back from this,
Speaker 5: I think this will be a testimony of like none
Speaker 5: anybody's ever seen. Because he is a fine young man.
Speaker 5: He's a fine young man. And I was gutted for
Speaker 5: him last night. And when they especially when they start
Speaker 5: talking about the severity of the injury, right kind of.
Speaker 4: Guy, So Church, And what's the process like when you
Speaker 4: go through another indict It's one thing to get hurt
Speaker 4: for the first time, but you've done it again. So
Speaker 4: what's the mentality for him and how does he keep
Speaker 4: how does he win the mental game?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm telling you now, his mentality when he was
Speaker 5: on the field was probably like man, not again, not
Speaker 5: like this, because that's exactly what I was thinking when
Speaker 5: I did my achilles.
Speaker 2: I just looked down, just like man, not like this.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: It can't go out like this. So at first you're
Speaker 2: in kind of self denial, self doubt, just like, man,
Speaker 2: what did I do? I Why do I deserve this?
Speaker 5: But and looking at a tweet he had, you know
Speaker 5: right after the game, you know, I'm one of God's
Speaker 5: strongest soldiers.
Speaker 2: And you know I got I have a bounce back.
Speaker 5: So he already has that right mentality in him and
Speaker 5: the hard worker I've already seen on the football field,
Speaker 5: the way he was able to bounce back from his
Speaker 5: first ACL injury. I know he's going to put the
Speaker 5: work in. He's going to attack this rehab. It's not
Speaker 5: going to be like, oh man, I got to go
Speaker 5: through this again. He's going to attack it. And those
Speaker 5: guys over in the training room, Britt Brown and those
Speaker 5: guys are some of the best international football leagues, so
Speaker 5: they'll be able to get him back to the strongest
Speaker 5: he's possibly ever been. But he has to have that
Speaker 5: right mentality of I'm going to attack this. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to let this defeat me, and you haven't the
Speaker 5: last of overshown. I believe that's the type of young
Speaker 5: man he is.
Speaker 2: So good luck to him. Personnel department has dealt a
Speaker 2: blow because you thought, you, hey, you've got two good
Speaker 2: linebackers here in terms of a Parsons and an overshown.
Speaker 2: And I was even wondering if they decide to switch
Speaker 2: defenses next year, you know, do you start to look
Speaker 2: at the three four because you had two good guys
Speaker 2: there to pressure players. And so this is a setback.
Speaker 4: So they're going to have to go out and now
Speaker 4: address this position because it would be irresponsible to just
Speaker 4: think about him being on your team in twenty five.
Speaker 2: This is tough.
Speaker 4: So you got to hope the young man get ready
Speaker 4: for twenty six and he can be better, but you've
Speaker 4: got to go ahead and fill this need here. So
Speaker 4: it's another blow for this personnel department here is they're
Speaker 4: going to have to go ahead and try and figure
Speaker 4: out how how do you make this football team work
Speaker 4: at that position?
Speaker 2: All right? Out of time?
Speaker 4: Heck Ma Harrison, sir, appreciate you, Barry Church appreciating that. Yeah,
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