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Speaker 2: As we seize upon the voice of San Francisco, not

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Speaker 2: just Nancy Pelosi, but the Mayor of San Francisco. London

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Speaker 2: Breed is in Chicago, part of this convention and with

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Speaker 2: us right now at the table. Mayor, it's great to

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Speaker 2: see you. Thanks for joining.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You have known Kamala Harris for a long time. You've

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Speaker 2: been friends for twenty years outside of politics. You know

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Speaker 2: this candidate, this nominee better than most people who we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk with this week. And I understand that

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Speaker 2: she's had wonderful advice for you over the years. I

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Speaker 2: wonder what your advice is for her at this convention

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Wow, me give Kamala Harris advice. I'm not used to that.

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Speaker 2: One only a friend could.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing I would say, when she is

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Speaker 3: herself and giving it her all and speaking from the heart,

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Speaker 3: there is nothing like it. She is strong, she is firm,

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Speaker 3: she has committed to doing this work. But also she's

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Speaker 3: a very compassionate person who deeply cares about justice and

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Speaker 3: taking care of people. And she's proven that time and

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Speaker 3: time again with the work that she's done.

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Speaker 1: Over the years.

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly she's leaned into her past experience as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 4: Of course, she was the DA of San Francisco before

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Speaker 4: we've heard different iterations on the stage last night of

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Speaker 4: How hard do you expect her to lean into that image,

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Speaker 4: knowing that for some segments of the Democratic Coalition especially,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important for her to talk about

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Speaker 3: She wrote a book about it. She said, it's not

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Speaker 3: about being tough on crime, it's not about being soft

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Speaker 2: Well, to stick with that theme for a moment, you

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Speaker 2: that you are held up San Francisco Chicago by Republicans

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis as an example of what is

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Speaker 2: wrong with progressive politics when it comes to crime. I

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Speaker 2: know that you've tried to make strides in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: and how do you message that, Yes, what you're hearing

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Speaker 3: Side, Well, we have made strides, and in fact, San

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Speaker 3: And I think If people look deep into what is

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Speaker 4: Of course, it's not just about crime, though, it's about

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Speaker 1: On that front. Yeah, it's been challenging.

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Speaker 3: But since I've been in office, we've helped over fifteen

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Speaker 3: But we also have to make sure when people are

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Speaker 1: Our city, people are always like, what is everyone talking about?

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Speaker 3: So you've got to come see it for yourself and

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Speaker 3: then check the facts in terms of the data as

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Speaker 2: Well, if we can hold on to the issue of

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Speaker 2: know for a fact that that's not new for you.

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Speaker 2: You've actually made this a major issue for you as

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Speaker 2: a city official, as a commissioner, as mayor taking different ideas,

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Speaker 2: more housing. I know that there's an effort to get

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Speaker 3: Well, Kambala Harris said it on the stage to say,

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Speaker 1: And fortunately in California.

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Speaker 1: For you to do for six eight stories.

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Speaker 3: Why is there so many obstacles that are able to

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Speaker 3: Francisco, definitely we could have those or not have those.

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly she has to at the forefront of the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Another issue that ranks highly, though, is the border in migration.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's important for them to implement the plan that

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Speaker 4: You say that she's the right person, and yet, and

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Speaker 4: She has been vice president for over three and a

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Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's talking.

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Speaker 2: Well. What happened to California's workforce and economy if Donald

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Speaker 1: That's I don't believe so.

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Speaker 3: I think it's immigration is an important part of, you know,

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Speaker 3: And ultimately, we're seeing some incredible opportunities within the job

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Speaker 4: Well, if you listen to Donald Trump, he has said

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna tell him that the job he's currently seeking

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Speaker 4: One of those moments I think we've all seen on

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Speaker 4: but she of course was on that stage speaking as

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Speaker 4: You yourself are a woman of color as well, And

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Speaker 4: I wonder, as we consider the historic nature of this cannady,

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Speaker 4: Do you address it head on or do you ignore it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you address it head on, and I

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Speaker 3: think it has been addressed. For example, implying somehow that

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is.

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Speaker 1: A DEI candidate and he.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable when you look at her qualifications

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Speaker 3: There is no comparison.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't born into privilege. She worked really hard to.

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Speaker 3: Get a law degree on her own, to really fight

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Speaker 1: So on and so forth.

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Speaker 3: I can go on and on but you know, that's

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Speaker 3: one of the challenges that sometimes, you know, women and

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Speaker 3: women of color have, is well, how did you get there?

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Speaker 3: It must have been someone else, And you know, to

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Speaker 3: be very clear, you know, when the main goes through

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Speaker 3: the same process, that doesn't get questioned. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's kind of the frustrating part of this, which is

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Speaker 3: because you see people who are elevating women. You see

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Speaker 3: many men who spoke last night at the DNC, you know,

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Speaker 3: highlighting Kamala Harris in such an extraordinary way, and I'm

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Speaker 3: for us to remind the American people not just of

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Speaker 3: her qualifications, but why is this a race in the

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Speaker 1: In light of what Donald Trump has done.

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Speaker 3: To really, you know, create a huge barrier in this

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Speaker 3: with his disrespect and his divisiveness, there should not be

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Speaker 3: a question. But we are going to continue to elevate

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and do everything we can to ensure that

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Speaker 2: Just lastly, we hear from Donald Trump and Republicans that

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, you're the mayor of San Francisco, is just

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Speaker 2: another San Francisco Liberal. How do you respond to.

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Speaker 3: That, Well, I would respond, I mean the Republicans continue

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Speaker 3: to point to San Francisco, but at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, oftentimes they are picking up their iPhone, you know,

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Speaker 3: which was introduced in San Francisco, calling their ubers or

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Speaker 3: Lyft companies started and based in San Francisco, to go

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Speaker 3: to their Airbnb company still and started in San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: and then to go and tweet something nasty about our city,

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Speaker 3: which again was a company until recently in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: The AI capital of the world. That's what I will say.

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Speaker 3: You can continue to try and put out a narrative,

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Speaker 3: but the facts tell a different story, and we point

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Speaker 3: to the facts and the economy and everything that San

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Speaker 1: And again we're looking.

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Speaker 3: Forward to making sure Kamala Harris gets elected, because then

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Speaker 3: San Francisco will be on a whole nother national stage.

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Speaker 4: All right, San Francisco, Mayor London Breed. Great to have

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Speaker 4: you here with us in Chicago. We'll set you in

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Speaker 4: San Francisco sometime. We appreciate your time. Mayor, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for joining us,