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Speaker 1: It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful weather in Chicago was eighty flu In here it

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Speaker 1: was seventy five, So Chicago weather, you know, it's always better,

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Speaker 1: but nonetheless it was. We've had some great weather in America.

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Speaker 1: We have a long summer, which generally means a harsher wind,

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Speaker 1: right thing fras on out here. You sure you went

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers game yesterday, the yet very friendly fans.

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Speaker 1: Chargers were rolling.

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Speaker 2: And your boy Quinton Johnson fumbles in the game.

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Speaker 1: Totally flipping. No, it's it was amazing some of these

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Speaker 1: games this weekend. How about I mean, we haven't talked

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Speaker 1: about UCLA beating Penn State. That's the biggest win for UCLA.

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Speaker 1: The last time they won a game like that was

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen beating A and M. How about like forty

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Speaker 1: four forty one shootout? That was a wild game.

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Speaker 2: Man, James Franklin, is he still employed by ben State

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Speaker 2: and it's going on?

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Speaker 1: Defended him for a long time. Here we go, it's

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong in a Monday, and here we

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Speaker 1: go where Colin was right. I told you the Eagles

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Speaker 1: may not be solvable. Folks, Saquon Barkley, you're not getting

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Speaker 1: a yard before he's getting hit. I think Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 1: is very coordinator dependent. Aj Brown, mister invisible forty three

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Speaker 1: total yards. Saquon had six carries all game. Not only

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Speaker 1: does coaching matter, I've been preaching this, coordinators matter. Look

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Speaker 1: at the Niners with Robert Sola and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: young guys and Fred Warner. This is not a player's

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Speaker 1: issue in Philly. It's a coordinator issue.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Well, the best football coach in the world is Jim Harball.

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Speaker 1: Stick with that, but boy, that didn't look like it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Ten penalties, that's after last week having fourteen against the Giants. Listen,

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Speaker 1: they don't have their offensive coordinators. Justin Herbert is in

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Speaker 1: big trouble. But if Kansas City wins tonight, and I

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Speaker 1: think they will. The Chiefs, the Broncos, and the Chargers

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Speaker 1: will all be knotted up at three to two in

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Speaker 1: the AFC West. I know they're injury plague, but the

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Speaker 1: Chargers look directionless as of now. Where Colin was right,

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Speaker 1: I picked New England to make the playoffs. I said

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Speaker 1: they would be the double the win total team and

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Speaker 1: they're three and two and face the Saints, the Titans,

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Speaker 1: and the Browns coming up. Mike Frable is one of

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Speaker 1: the smartest coaches in the league, and I think, listen

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Speaker 1: the last four starts. Drake May's got six cuddies in

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Speaker 1: one pick, so, like a lot of young quarterbacks, he's

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Speaker 1: got to clean some stuff up. But this is what

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Speaker 1: I thought they would be the Jets. The Dolphins were

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Speaker 1: circling the drain without a real culture. I knew Vrabel

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Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. Where Colin was wrong, Raiders are one

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Speaker 1: but I didn't think they'd be thirtieth in scoring. Gino's

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Speaker 1: is you know that's raiders usually can pressure the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith's comeback story. It's not going to be Darnold

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Speaker 1: or Baker or Daniel Jones. He's not that good. Second

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Speaker 1: worst point differential in the NFL. I thought with Chip

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Speaker 1: Colin was right, Miami Blew was seventeen. Nothing lead to Carolina.

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Speaker 1: This goes back the hipster head coach, zero toughness, zero culture,

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Speaker 1: they And I said Mike Vrabel his schemes are toughness.

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Speaker 1: This team, I never ever know quite what they are

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Speaker 1: They are the opposite of the Patriots under Vrabel.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a little over dramatic. I overreacted when

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Speaker 1: I said the Lions' new coordinators could be has Matt

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said the Yankees are a good team, but they're

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Speaker 1: not great because they're so uneven. They have been blown

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Speaker 1: They don't play small ball. The Dodgers have a stack roster,

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Speaker 1: This is a good team, but everybody bangs on Aaron Boone.

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Speaker 1: This is an uneven roster. They've surrendered twenty three runs

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Speaker 1: Yankees are a good team, but they're too uneven to

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Speaker 1: be great. Where Colin was raw, Well, my Penn State

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Speaker 1: drew Aller. Not a lot of juice, Nico Iamaliava. Let's

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Speaker 1: give him credit. We were all beating up on that kid.

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Speaker 1: UCLA's coaches, Jerry Neuheisel, leaned into his athletic ability. So

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Speaker 1: the Texas offense and the Penn State defense we thought

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was wrong on a Monday, Well, our buddy

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, how about that the halftime speech up in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He's still up in the Pacific Northwest. So the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: invited their fifty greatest players ever. Matt had no idea

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Speaker 1: it would be the greatest NFL game. Maybe in two years.

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Speaker 1: Brady and Manning met seventeen times, they never combined for

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Speaker 1: thirty five points each. I watched that game yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: I was I going to tell you right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if Baker's not the MVP, what was your

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Speaker 4: Well, I think those experiences that both of those quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: don't give a rip factor that they have in these games.

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Speaker 4: Big throws, downfield, hostile environment, two minute drives, you know,

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Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. I think Baker his grit.

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Speaker 4: This team is taking on his personality and to do

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Speaker 4: it without Mike Evans without your starting running back leaning

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Speaker 4: on a rookie wide receiver the way he did incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think Baker Mayfield would be who he

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Speaker 4: the disappointments that he went through early in his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a difference between playing with a

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Speaker 1: and then playing with a chip on your shoulder under

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Speaker 1: control and you get paid. You got some money, you're

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Speaker 1: He could pass to Steve Kerb but he's still had

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Speaker 1: a chip. And Sam's interesting because Sam had a reckless

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Speaker 1: and accuracy issue. I never I didn't know if you

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Speaker 1: could clean that up. I watched Sam Darnold, and I

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think, I mean, Baker Olwys to a ball.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think Donald would be this accurate, this

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Speaker 5: That was never my my concern was Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: My concern was Sam Donald coming out of college is

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Speaker 4: his eyes were never really in the right place.

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Speaker 5: But that's a young player. I mean, he was very young.

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Speaker 4: He was one of the youngest guys in his class.

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Speaker 4: I think when he came, when he was in the

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Speaker 4: after him. Yeah, And so like those are fixable things.

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Speaker 4: I think the athleticism has always been there. That's not

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Speaker 4: the that's not the factor. It's these other things. You know,

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Speaker 4: whether it's focused, Like you talk about that intensity with Baker.

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Speaker 4: Baker has this great ability of like almost getting into

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Speaker 4: it with a d lineman, like in their face they're

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Speaker 4: Jawn and then like the forty second clock starts, and

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Speaker 4: I think you know, a guy like Sam Darnold, he's

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Speaker 1: So I watched Philadelphia and my take is, you can

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Speaker 1: watch Robert solo what he has done to the Niners

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Speaker 1: defense with Fred Warner. They lose Bosa, they lose Hafunga,

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Speaker 1: how Robert sala is that Not only do coaches matter,

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Speaker 1: coordinators matter, And I think Sirianni's always been coordinator dependent.

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Speaker 1: That's not a criticism, it's a reality. Most guys, most

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Speaker 1: head coaches aren't Shanahan with schemes. They're not. And I

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Speaker 1: the second half. I'll ask you, what is Philadelphia's offensive

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing. They know what it is and

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Speaker 5: they got to stick to it.

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Speaker 4: They got to stay off Twitter, stay off talk radio,

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Speaker 5: I think Saquon had like six carries. I think as

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Speaker 4: Maybe had eleven, and really like Sean Payton and the

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Speaker 4: I just think that Philly needs to just be proud

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Speaker 4: you're trying to feed disgruntled players just a little bit,

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Speaker 4: trying to keep everybody happy. Listen, when you have success

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Speaker 4: and you win, there's enough credit to go around.

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Speaker 5: There's enough football to go around.

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Speaker 4: I think Saquon I appreciate how they' getting involved in

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Speaker 4: the passing game, but you're giving the defense too much

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Speaker 1: There are moments in any young quarterback's life, in any

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Speaker 1: it's the best I've ever seen him play. And I

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Speaker 1: you've got your money and you're securing yourself and the

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Speaker 1: Explain it to me.

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Speaker 4: I mean he had you know, two goal line touchdown

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Speaker 4: this is absolutely the best that I've seen Dak Prescott look,

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Speaker 4: He is going to be the guy that is going

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Speaker 1: I want to end with this because it's a weird trend.

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Speaker 1: That's my takeaway because I don't even know what I

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Speaker 1: It's so disrespectful to your teammates. To get a seventy

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Speaker 5: Like, we just don't do it, you.

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Speaker 4: So it was it wasn't even just played through the whistle.

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Speaker 4: You had to finish until the camera.

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Speaker 5: Was off of you.

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Speaker 4: That's not what it was like at the end of

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Speaker 4: my career, not at all. However, at the end of

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Speaker 4: in Seattle, Pete Carroll was the head coach.

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Speaker 5: He was great.

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Speaker 4: He said, hey, guys, I want you to practice your

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Speaker 5: Hey, finished through the goal line.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I saw Charles Woodson do a thing on

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Speaker 4: I just think with this generation, like you're saying you

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Speaker 1: How was the halftime speech in front of seventy thousand people?

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Speaker 4: A little I don't know if I was nervous, But

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Speaker 5: It was a blast though.

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Speaker 4: That's a great it's a great stadium, a great fan base,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're losing the good team San Francisco and Tampa.

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Speaker 1: That was an old timer. It's great seeing you and

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I was back I was getting carted back then in Seattle. Oh,

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Speaker 4: thanks for having me. Let's see Matt Hasselbeck. That was

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Bears didn't play and they've become a

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Speaker 1: What can I say. I like to go out the games,

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Speaker 2: Yes now, I will say no Lamari yesterday, Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: I'll tay this o J Mack. It's pretty clear. Let's

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Speaker 1: be fair. Drake make him play.

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Speaker 2: Drake make it play. Also, Justin Herbert does not have

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm just talking young guys. All I care

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Speaker 1: Bon Knicks can play, Mike may him play. So we

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Speaker 1: root for Baker Mayfield and Sam to be reborn, root

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Speaker 1: So I root. People think, oh, you don't eat Baker.

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Speaker 1: I would vote Hi MVP today.

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Speaker 2: I think seven touchdowns, zero pick.

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Speaker 1: Little little sat patting.

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Speaker 2: It's the fumbles. They lead the league in miss tackles.

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Speaker 2: Like things are just yeah, not good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, we're back asleep at the wheel. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: just looking at the yesterday in the Giants game. I

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Speaker 1: wondered if it had ever happened. Yesterday in the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants game, the Giants had a turnover on five

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Speaker 1: straight possessions. Never happened before. And it's a mighty Saints defense, Yankees, Giants, Jets,

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Speaker 1: and then the Bills lose dumpster fire. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Staley is the defensive coordinator for the Saints. He's

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Speaker 1: done something. They've been competitive, right. We called this on Friday. No,

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Speaker 1: you called it. I wouldn't touch that. Okay, I'll take

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Speaker 1: j Mack read the news.

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Speaker 3: This is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 2: All right. We're starting positive this hour. And that's the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions who are cooking right now.

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Speaker 1: Cooker. They lost to the Packers in the opener. They've

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Speaker 1: been dominant ever since.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And the duo, the dynamic duo of David Montgomery and

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Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs. These guys are good Man. Montgomery scored Gibs

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Speaker 2: Gordon Montgomery threw one. Is the fourteenth game both of

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Speaker 2: them the scored a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: When when's the last time we had a running back

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Speaker 1: duo this good. I'm surprised.

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Speaker 2: Like Saquon is a one man show, a lot of

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Speaker 2: these teams are one man shows.

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Speaker 1: Get a second running back. This is smart football. Neither

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Speaker 1: of them wear down anyways.

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Speaker 2: Is the first time that anybody has done this since

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Speaker 2: Emmett and Darryl Johnston with the Cowboys. That's how dominant

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Speaker 2: Montgomery and Gidson been. Colin Lyon looks.

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Speaker 1: Like these teams they go and get a running back

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Speaker 1: and then they wear him out. And the truth is,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've said this about the Niners before, like

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Speaker 1: they should be drafting running backs. You want to get

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey about thirteen to fourteen touches, not at twenty five. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just can't do it. I mean, we know his

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Speaker 1: career and by the way, you can use him as

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Speaker 1: a decoy. I mean, again, I am four to McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: touching it, but I want him touching it in the

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Speaker 1: red zone. I want him touching it on third and

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Speaker 1: fourth down. There's no need for second down carries for

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. So I just think Detroit they're just so smart.

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Speaker 1: This should be the trend to me is that you

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Speaker 1: have two running backs. I think the Rams wanting it,

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Speaker 1: but Blake Koram hasn't hit. They had Kyron Williams and

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Speaker 1: he's a smaller back and they thought, okay, we'll have

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Speaker 1: another back in Korum just hasn't work.

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Speaker 2: Saquan needs a wingman. He just looks like the same guy.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this Montgomery. I'm fairly certain this is like

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Speaker 2: his third deep. Remember he was like a touchdown guy elsewhere,

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Speaker 2: like Gibbs, by the way, has been sick Jack.

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Speaker 1: Another team is Buffalo. James Cook is great. Let's get

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Speaker 1: James Cook about six to seven fewer touches a game.

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Speaker 1: Chargers tried it with Nause Harrison Hampton. Now they're both hurt.

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Speaker 1: But I think a trend in the NFL as everybody

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Speaker 1: bangs on running backs. It's the last position in football

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Speaker 1: you can tackle from any angle and any spot on

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Speaker 1: the field. They're unprotected, so they come flying through that

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Speaker 1: line safeties. Linebackers can go with their knees, can go

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Speaker 1: with their shoulders, their heads and My take is dual

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Speaker 1: running backs should be the trend going things.

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Speaker 2: Je's one of this with Grease Hall and Braylen Allen

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Speaker 2: and Alan's hurt again.

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Speaker 1: All is a fumble machine. By the way.

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Speaker 2: Lions Chiefs next week Sunday Night. But age, let me

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Speaker 2: get there's no line yet because Che's played a night.

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Speaker 2: Where's it at at Kansas City? I think I'd take

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Speaker 2: Detroit spicy.

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Speaker 1: You're giving me a dominant run game against no run

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Speaker 1: game so I can keep Mahomes off the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mahomes on a short week because they played

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Speaker 2: to night aga.

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Speaker 1: I like Detroit there. I bet you. The line is

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Speaker 1: probably it's gonna be Lions minus two and a half.

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Speaker 1: I doubt the Chiefs are gonna be that big of

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Speaker 1: a dog at home, all right. I think I like

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Speaker 1: the Lions match up well with them.

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Speaker 2: Lions win that, and I think they've got to be

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Speaker 2: a top three team in.

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Speaker 1: The league, right. I think there'll beat some bad teams.

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Speaker 1: Colin Let's I'm not you and I agree there are bad,

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Speaker 1: truly bad teams in this league. Yeah, there are no

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Speaker 1: great teams. There are great The Detroit Lions offense is great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean play calling o line, running back room tight

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Speaker 1: ends amor on Saint Brown. The Chiefs defense has it,

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Speaker 1: the Rams defense, they have their moments. They look great,

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Speaker 1: but there are no great teams. Distance. He's tough.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to oh Jackson Dart. I was told

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Speaker 2: last week he's something. They've got something, Colin. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we look at this highlight. He's just running oops. I

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Speaker 2: mean like you could play the yack Andy sax music.

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Speaker 3: He's just he was not good.

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Speaker 2: I tried to tell you guys about this. Now I'll

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Speaker 2: give dark credit afterward. He totally owned his garbage performance.

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Speaker 2: Here he is.

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Speaker 8: I told as many guys I can in the locker room,

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Speaker 8: this one's on me, and I'm gonna get better. And

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Speaker 8: you know, I expect myself to play better in these

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Speaker 8: games and to win them.

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Speaker 5: I'm the leader of the offense, so.

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Speaker 8: I think that, you know, anytime that those things happen,

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Speaker 8: you know, it kind of falls back on, you know,

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Speaker 8: the leaders, and I take that responsibility.

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Speaker 1: He owned it. He was bad. Respect Where do you

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Speaker 1: get those glasses? Jorganza? Come on, he's a good looking kid.

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Speaker 2: He's a handsome guy. He's got you know, he's copy

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Speaker 2: of my hairstyle. At least got the open shirt. The

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Speaker 2: necklace a little bit too much. I want my guys

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Speaker 2: buttoned up. I like me Jalen Hurts with briefcase. You

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Speaker 2: like the Dap Shah put the just kidding around. Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart seems like a cool guy. Seems like he's got

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Speaker 2: the locker room.

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Speaker 1: People like him. The media like owned his stuff. I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with it. I like young guys that

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Speaker 1: own their stuff.

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Speaker 2: As the heads up rookie quarterback Thursday Night Football, I

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Speaker 2: saw that against the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: A brutal spot and Philly's not gonna be happy.

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Speaker 3: With that loss.

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Speaker 1: That's a rough spot. What's the line on that? A billion?

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Speaker 1: I think as eight at least a touchdown. I think

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Speaker 1: Eagles smash spot.

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Speaker 2: Final story, Colin, we got to give your boys Sean

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Speaker 2: Peyton some problems. Sean Payton passed Bill Parcells for sixteenth

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Speaker 2: on the all time wins list with one hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy threes, now tied with John Harbaugh John.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh for third most among activists. Check that fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: coaching Denver. I'm telling you right now, Denver's got the

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Speaker 1: most underrated roster in the league. You know, everybody got

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Speaker 1: Peyton got rid of everybody, but you know who he

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Speaker 1: didn't get rid of, the general manager. This is a

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Speaker 1: good roster. They have drafted well. Harvey can play, Mims

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Speaker 1: can play. They've gone on Sutton, big spot. He looked big,

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Speaker 1: he d well. Sutton had a first half drop. I

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Speaker 1: gotta move Denver up. I think Denver's for real. I

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Speaker 1: the second half of that game, There's no question second

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Speaker 1: half of that game, who the better coach, better quarterback,

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Speaker 1: better team was. Denver was absolutely the better tea You

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Speaker 1: saying Sean Payton's a better coach than Nick Sirianni, I

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Speaker 1: think Peyton's great. Peyton rubs some people the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: But when you watch that game, and again, bo Nicks

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Speaker 1: has twenty two stars, you're watching that game, man, they

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Speaker 1: are impossible to predict. That emotion sets different people. They

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Speaker 1: are hard, I mean, and they're smart. They roll the

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Speaker 1: pocket out with bon Nicks all the time. They I

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Speaker 1: don't think people quite understand this. Bonnicks is one of

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Speaker 1: the better athletes at quarterback in the league. Dude can

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Speaker 1: move like fast.

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Speaker 2: You've been on this so you like the Broncos. Bonnick's

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback or contract. You like the Colts right now,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones not a Max Steel knowing like New England rookie,

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Speaker 2: also Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. They're not making fifty sixty

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Speaker 2: million a year.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's how you look. You look at the

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Speaker 1: best rosters in the NFL right now. They're all the

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Speaker 1: best teams for Denver, I think the Colt roster. If

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Speaker 1: you look at Seattle's roster, Tampa, why because you're not

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Speaker 1: paying the quarterback sixty large. Yeah, I mean and Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: We've been saying this now for multiple weeks. That defense

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Speaker 1: for Buffalo in the back end, they got a lot

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Speaker 1: of holes, a lot of holes.

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Speaker 2: Josh of Fortune, let's put on the screen most wins

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Speaker 2: among active coaches, Andy Reid, by far is number one,

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Speaker 2: followed by Tomlin, Harbaugh and company.

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Speaker 1: Now we can't get her on the screen. Technical differ, Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're right, they're all they're all and they're all

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Speaker 1: different styles. Yeah, I mean, Andy Reid's been around for

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Speaker 1: a while. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 3: thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: The uh, I just I can't get over I really

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Speaker 1: am struggling how to figure out why players are dropping

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Speaker 1: the ball, And the only thing I can come up

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Speaker 1: with is we just live in a more performative society

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Speaker 1: where young people are constantly on camera. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: people like not one or two. There's dozens of young

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Speaker 1: people who have like taken a picture of themselves on

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Speaker 1: a cliff and died. Yeah, ye like like that.

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Speaker 2: That's not like one or two, Like it happens regularly.

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Speaker 2: Here's the worst part, Colin. After the happen to ad

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Speaker 2: Mitchell and the Colts, don't you think every team.

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Speaker 1: In the league.

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Speaker 2: The coach went to the team was like, guys, don't

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Speaker 2: freaking do this? Isn't that normal coaching? Like, hey, everybody

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Speaker 2: saw the Colts blue their game because of that. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to see any of that crap. It seems

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Speaker 2: like that's a.

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Speaker 1: Logical move by the coach. How did again and not

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Speaker 1: do that? It's just remarkable. You have to be so

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Speaker 1: selfish to me that, you know, how hard are you?

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Speaker 1: And the brotherhood practice every day? Like I mean, football

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Speaker 1: is one of those sports where you practice a time

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Speaker 1: and you don't play very much. You know, in baseball,

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Speaker 1: there's a game every night hockey and NBA eighty two games.

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Speaker 1: In football, you have seven times to practice is for

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Speaker 1: the games now. So when you get to the games, bro,

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Speaker 1: we're just asking you for fifty offensive play a game.

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Speaker 1: Plays a game, Be an adult, be a grown up,

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Speaker 1: be a teammate, be a decent person.

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Speaker 2: De Mercado third string running back right Ben said, Finley

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Speaker 2: gets a chance to play, and Mitchell's like, I think

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Speaker 2: a third string receiver. It was only playing because Pierce

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Speaker 2: was out, So we're not talking about start. You're not

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Speaker 2: seeing cd Lamb do this crap right, You're not seeing

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: But you would think the backup players, knowing this is

653
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Speaker 1: a rare opportunity due to injury to play, would be

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Speaker 1: more aware of Man, I got to be coachable. I

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Speaker 1: got to be a great teammate because I'm not as

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Speaker 1: talented as cdee Lamb. I'm not as talented as James Connor.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to be the best teammate I can be.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing if a star does something, you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: he does deliver thirteen touchdowns a year and nineteen yards

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Speaker 1: of catch. By the way, Harrison had another big moment.

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harris. Oh is that catch?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That was nice?

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Speaker 1: That was nice crazy.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: in newd Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 3: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Sunday on Fox dak and the Cowboys take on the Panthers,

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Speaker 2: or Matthew Stafford and the Rams battle the Ravens, or other.

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Speaker 1: Regional action Seahawks Jags is good. Check local listings for

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Speaker 1: the game in your area. Sunday on Fox. You were

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Speaker 1: five and one, I was three and two. Jags Tonight

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Speaker 1: money line. I would it's not to me at three.

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Speaker 1: I would take Kansas City at three and a half.

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Speaker 1: But I don't trust the Jags in a big spot.

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Speaker 1: You can't just go into Jacksonville and try to get

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Speaker 1: a W. It's not that easy anymore. Colin scary. So

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Speaker 1: my number one rule with new head coaches, college or pro.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect you to win immediately, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: watch your side of the ball. We Alway said about Lincoln.

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00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: USC's offense has been good, so don't don't blame that.

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00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley the defense, he's a defensive guy. The defense

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Speaker 1: got bad with the Chargers. So Aaron Glenn's a defensive guy,

684
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Speaker 1: a secondary guy goes to the Jets. The secondary sauce

685
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: Gardner is worse than it was last year. They're the

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Speaker 1: second worst tackling team in the league. He's a defensive coach. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a single takeaway all season. First time

688
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Speaker 1: in NFL history a team's gone five weeks with no takeaways.

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? What did they play Brady five times?

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? No takeaways? Can't tackle, no pressures

691
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Speaker 1: thirtieth in pressures, they do nothing well. So his side

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Speaker 1: of the ball is atrocious. Actually, justin Field's stats are

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Speaker 1: pretty good, but they're dropping him in five and seven

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Speaker 1: step drops way too much. Justin Field should play like

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Speaker 1: bow Nicks and Denver like move They move bow Knicks

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Speaker 1: because bow Nicks is not six to five. They move

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Speaker 1: him out of the pocket a lot. They create passing lanes.

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Speaker 1: Justin Field should be moving around. He's not a drop

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Speaker 1: back behind a bad pass pro line quarterback. It's like,

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Speaker 1: figure it out. This is the easy stuff in this league.

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: Role justin fields out thirty thirty five percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: Denver is moving bo Nicks constantly Philadelphia when they're really

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Speaker 1: well coached moves Jalen Hurts out of the pocket. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, I zero to five and bad.

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Speaker 1: And my concern is he can't get his side of

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Speaker 1: the ball right. I mean, I'll defend guys forever, but

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Speaker 1: you got to get your side right. Like Belichick in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: the defense is worse than the offense. Aaron Glenn is

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Speaker 1: he firerable? I mean, I don't know what to do,

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Speaker 1: but here he is.

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Speaker 5: After when you get in games like this, when something

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Speaker 5: bad happens, like the response isn't you know where we.

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Speaker 2: Need to be?

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Speaker 5: And again I got look at myself on that and

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Speaker 5: I got to do something to fix that. And we're

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Speaker 5: all in this together. But I do know this, man,

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Speaker 5: It all starts with me.

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Speaker 1: I do know that.

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Speaker 5: So we gotta fix it. We gotta fix it.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is I talk about a lot to

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Speaker 1: judge a coach A in the rebuild, what is your

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00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: side of the ball look like? Awful? Secondly, what happened

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Speaker 1: to the place you left? The Lions defense is better.

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Speaker 1: It's better so that there is an infrastructure. If you

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Speaker 1: go look right now at the New York Jets, look

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Speaker 1: at how many people are flourishing that used to be Jets.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald and Todd Bowles met yesterday in the Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 1: former Jets. So I mean Adam Gase was bad period.

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles was good in a bad organization. So I

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Speaker 1: mean like Robert Sala is flourishing in San Francisco, Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald's flourishing, Todd Bowles is flourishing, Davante Adams is getting open.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of this is I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is a better player than he's playing right

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Speaker 1: now for the Jets. Now, I think he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that needs liberal officiating because he is a gravvy player.

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Speaker 1: He's not a burner, he's not Deon Sanders. He's a

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Speaker 1: grabby guy's long and gravvy, doesn't want to defend the run.

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Speaker 1: But he's gotten worse. So I think you're looking at

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Speaker 1: and again, I don't know what you do. The Jets

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00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: have a tendency to hire instead of spending big money.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers for years couldn't get coach right. When did

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Speaker 1: they They went and bought in Jim Harbaugh. The Jets

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Speaker 1: often get like Sala's never been a head coach, and

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Speaker 1: Adam Gase has never been a head coach and Aaron

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00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Glenn's never been a head coach. They don't want. They

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Speaker 1: don't want the ego. They don't want the successful coach. Folks,

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Speaker 1: if you can hire, think about the new coaches that

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Speaker 1: are working. Let's think about the new coaches that are working. Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: Vrabel and Sean Payton. Andy Reid worked by and large,

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Speaker 1: Find a guy that's in his coaching prime. That means

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Speaker 1: he's not in his sixth Try to find somebody in there,

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: usually forties to fifty eight in their coaching prime, with

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Speaker 1: a lot of energy, that has been successful in previous stops,

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Speaker 1: like Rabel was the Some of these predictions are easy.

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Speaker 1: Rabel was going to work in New England, okay. Harbaugh

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00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: was gonna work and he has with the Chargers. Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton was going to work in Denver. You know, New

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: York's a big market. So it's hard because you don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a loud market, it's a reactionary market,

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Speaker 1: and you're giving a guy who's never been a head coach, Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think it's gonna look like?

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Speaker 2: So Colin, I don't want to go overboard and say,

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Speaker 2: fire Aaron Glenn. We're not there yet. It's five games,

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Speaker 2: but you're spot on with the defense trending badly. Let

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Speaker 2: me ask you, if they keep at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the standings and they're gonna have the number one pick,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you got these good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Dante Moore, Carson Deck. I would draft Dante Moore tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But does does Dante Moore say?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Doug That's a great point.

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00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Dante Moore. So if all the players

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Speaker 1: in college football it's a little early to do mock drafts,

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Speaker 1: the most hortant position in football is quarterback. Dante Moore

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Speaker 1: at Oregon looks like a home run guy. I am

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Speaker 1: dead serious. Dantey Moore's my kid. I might go back

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Speaker 1: to school. Hold on, so do not go to the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: So that's where this whole harball of Rabel stuff comes

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Speaker 2: into play.

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Speaker 1: I'm just spitballing names here.

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Speaker 2: In the last hour with some Jets friends. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say one name that came up to me. Offensive mind,

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Speaker 2: good history, but you know not everybody's gonna like the name.

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Speaker 2: What do you think if the Jets can say they

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Speaker 2: get the number one pick is Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: The kind of guy. He went to Dallas with Dak

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Speaker 1: they were an eleven window night dealt with Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 1: He can deal with high maintenance. He won it with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in Green Bays. I would take Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: over a guy who's never been a head coach in

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Speaker 1: a heartbeat right now. He's not Rabel and he's not

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Speaker 1: hardwa He did Packers, Cowboys, He's done high pressure, high

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Speaker 1: iconic franchise coach.

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Speaker 2: He's on the market nobody yet Let's see. I mean

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel gets run out.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not running over with men, women and

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Speaker 1: children to get Mike McCarthy. You know Mike McDaniel. The

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Speaker 1: other thing, I mean yesterday was an incredible The Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield story is amazing, and I mean Matt Hasselbeck was

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Speaker 1: talking about this everybody. We all as parents want our

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00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: kids to have an easier life than we did, right Like,

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Speaker 1: we all want that as parents. It's it's but it's

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, this is something I would talk about

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Speaker 1: in therapy, like how do you make your kids know

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00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: you know they're supported and they're loved, but you know,

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Speaker 1: not give them too easy of a life, because Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield is a great example of who succeeds in this life,

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: and it's people that have overcome crap. And it's probably

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00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: incredibly painful to watch your kids go through those times.

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00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: But you know, whether it's suspended at school or getting

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Speaker 1: cut from the team, every parent wants to have their

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Speaker 1: kids have this easy life. And I used to tell

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Speaker 1: when I would go talk to college classes, I'm like,

814
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: don't go to Fox or ESPN. Go to a crappy

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Speaker 1: local market in Midland, Texas and you have to edit

816
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Speaker 1: your own tape and you don't make any money, and

817
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: your car runs out of grass and you live in

818
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: a part of town that you don't always feel great about.

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Speaker 1: That's how you build character. And when I watch Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield those Cleveland years and Freddie Kishen and bouncing around

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Speaker 1: and going to Los Angeles with one day of practice,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with having a chip on your shoulder.

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00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan had it until the last day. But as

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Speaker 1: long as it's a functional chip on the shoulder right now, Baker,

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00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: all those hard times and all those doubters and walking

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Speaker 1: on in college. He's really smartly using that chip on

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Speaker 1: the shoulder, but it's not defining him like he's ticked off.

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Speaker 1: He wants to get in your face. He wants to

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Speaker 1: trash talk more than I love. But that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Baker came into this league and because Cleveland wouldn't support him,

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Speaker 1: and he was battling who Hugh Jackson and his ego,

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Speaker 1: and he was battling John Dorsey and he was just

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Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of nonsense. You put him in

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Speaker 1: functional Tampa. Todd Bowles, no ego, lets him run the offense.

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Speaker 1: Jason Light great GM. You know the family is not

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Speaker 1: hovering over the franchise. I've always said Tampa always had players,

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Speaker 1: but until Brady and Baker, they just couldn't get the

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00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: quarterback right. They've always had good players. I covered them

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago. We always had players. So it's just

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's a hard message.

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Speaker 1: But like all the stuff you deal with in your

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00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: teen years in twenty and twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,

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00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: if you've got the resilience, it pays off. The bad

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Speaker 1: years for Baker is why Baker could be the MVP

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Speaker 1: of the league this season. Power three Next