WEBVTT - "You Guys Will Never Take Him Alive"

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give a quick warning before we get started.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode contains graphic descriptions of violence. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole neighborhood was definitely quiet and dark. This part

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<v Speaker 1>of our story takes place in the late eighties in

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<v Speaker 1>a sleepy bedroom community in the Midwest. It was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of eerie because typically in that neighborhood there's multiple street lights,

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<v Speaker 1>people's lights on under front porches and so on. There

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<v Speaker 1>was none of that. Steve Smith was a captain of

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<v Speaker 1>the local police department, and that night around two am,

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<v Speaker 1>he was awoken by a call from the communications center.

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<v Speaker 1>Something unusual had happened out on a subdivision and he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to get out there quick. He was met by

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<v Speaker 1>now retired Sergeant Rusty James. It was really eerie because

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<v Speaker 1>it knocked the street lights and everything out in the

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<v Speaker 1>air you and everywhere you walked it crunched, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a strong smell of the dynamite and burnt flesh

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Rusty and his partner Sarah Vogelsberg had

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<v Speaker 1>been the first who arrived that night. As I pulled up,

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<v Speaker 1>uh there was still smoke in the air, and a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor came over and told me that that he had

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<v Speaker 1>found where it occurred. It was at the swimming pool

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<v Speaker 1>for a residential area there. In the early morning hours,

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<v Speaker 1>someone had parked their car in the lot next to

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<v Speaker 1>the swimming pool and proceeded to blow themselves up. He said, so, Officer,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a head laying over on the sidewalk

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<v Speaker 1>over there, but I'm not going to check. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>just going back, the crime scene was bizarre and gruesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's hard enough to hear about something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone experience it. We were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>where this young man was because we knew where his

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<v Speaker 1>head was, but there wasn't anything else, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>started looking around fly slights, and there was one leg

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<v Speaker 1>from the knee down in a tree. We probably didn't

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<v Speaker 1>locate more than about forty maybe fifty pounds of identifiable

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<v Speaker 1>body of hearts because they were spread out throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and the woods close by. It was pretty horrific. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>from his knees to his neck, he was just gone.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first started reporting the story five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>there really wasn't a lot of information about the book

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<v Speaker 1>hit Man, which just led to a lot of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>most of all, why would this author, a woman who

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<v Speaker 1>claims she never owned a gun, write a how to

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<v Speaker 1>guide on killing people and getting away with it. I

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<v Speaker 1>figured there had to be a story behind this book

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<v Speaker 1>of nonfiction. It turns out there is, and it's stranger

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<v Speaker 1>than fiction. This is the story of who I believe

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<v Speaker 1>to be the real Rex Ferrell, not the woman who

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<v Speaker 1>apparently wrote the book, but the man who may have

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<v Speaker 1>inspired it or been inspired by it, a man who

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<v Speaker 1>left an extraordinary amount of wreckage in his wake, like

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<v Speaker 1>an explosion on a quiet night in a small Midwestern town.

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<v Speaker 1>From my Heart Radio and Hit Home Media, I'm Jasmine

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<v Speaker 1>Morris and MS is hit Map. Just the whole circumstance

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those things that bothered me for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you know, I've gotten past that. But it

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<v Speaker 1>involved psychologists and many trips to them to get past that.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I where I would even answer a call in

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<v Speaker 1>that area, I wouldn't even drive there. When I first

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to Stephen Rusty, they were both pretty surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>It been twenty five years since this explosion happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I called it kind of all came

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<v Speaker 1>flooding back in and I remember almost like it had

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<v Speaker 1>just occurred within you know, the last day or two.

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<v Speaker 1>First responders see a lot of trauma, But when talking

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<v Speaker 1>to these guys, especially Rusty, I mean, this was on

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<v Speaker 1>a whole other level. I asked him if he was

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<v Speaker 1>sure he even wanted to go through with the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to understand that incident was a little traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>on me. This was the days before you got post

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic stress assistance or anything. And with me and Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>and we showed weakness over this, at which we did,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't consider weakness, but everybod what else did really

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine that day. It's a tight knit community. So

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<v Speaker 1>when officers arrived, they recognized the car involved immediately they

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<v Speaker 1>knew who the victim was, a sixteen year old named Gregory.

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<v Speaker 1>His car the hood was blown off of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>as we walked around the area we ended up finding

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<v Speaker 1>some of his dismembered body parts. In the front seat

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<v Speaker 1>of his car was boom box with the cassette tape

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<v Speaker 1>in it that Gregory would have been listening to. He

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<v Speaker 1>was not a bad kid, but he was just somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that we had our eyes on. We had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of runnings with him, and but again not a bad kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was very familiar to us, out and about

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<v Speaker 1>in the community at odd hours for somebody his age.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and I, you know, we had had hard heart

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<v Speaker 1>talks with Greg, trying to get him straightened up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we tried to do what we could for him

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to keep him out of trouble, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>protect him from himself. Stephen Rusty both said it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of looked like an accident. What he did was he

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<v Speaker 1>touched the blasting cap on that was attached to the dynamite.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't quite understand how dynamite works. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>he touched the blasting cap on the battery terminals of

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<v Speaker 1>his car and that was it. So he drove the

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<v Speaker 1>car out with dynamite. But what was he hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>do with it? You know, we really don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>the only two people that really know are no longer here,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So who is the other person that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the mom's boyfriend. I don't know if that was

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<v Speaker 1>just his name or not, but I do remember the

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<v Speaker 1>name Rex. Rex. I mean, when I first heard that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine my reaction. It's probably the same one

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<v Speaker 1>you're having. Ultimately, the teen's death was ruled a suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>but the investigation had just begun. Well, any time somebody

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<v Speaker 1>blows himself up dynamite, I would call it suspicious. Steve's

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<v Speaker 1>first order of business was to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>where this dynamite came from. So they reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>local businesses and other police departments to see if any

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<v Speaker 1>construction sites had been robbed. Eventually, in our investigation located

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<v Speaker 1>a empty box that had some identifiers on it the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Alcohol to back when Farms did the follow

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<v Speaker 1>up on that to fare out where it came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever they found, they linked it back to a construction

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<v Speaker 1>site burglary and I can't remember for sure where it was,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't help us and trying to identify anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the story with the way it occurred, why it occurred,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. So detectives started asking around, interviewing people

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<v Speaker 1>who knew Greg. That's when they discovered the boyfriend, rex Read.

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<v Speaker 1>And we tried to identify rex Read, but we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find any driver's license or anything that would match up

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<v Speaker 1>with the description as far as height weight. Agents wanted

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. Um, I thought that was kind of odd. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, Rex Reid was the name of

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<v Speaker 1>a character in a TV show, there's a renowned American

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<v Speaker 1>film critic an occasional actor named Rex Reid. It was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not that Rex. Read. When you can't identify somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got some TV name, it kind of raises

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<v Speaker 1>a flag. So detectives had a name or an alias

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of questions. Steve says they were discouraged

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<v Speaker 1>from making contact with Greg's mother until after his funeral,

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<v Speaker 1>but Rex was there for all of it, even when

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<v Speaker 1>they notified Greg's mom about what had happened to her son.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember that, you know, he was close to her,

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<v Speaker 1>being supportive in those things. He didn't want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody, but he made it look like he was

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<v Speaker 1>a stand up guy at the end and was there

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<v Speaker 1>for the mom at the funeral and all that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then at right after the funeral he was gone. But eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>after speaking with Greg's mom and some of his friend end,

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<v Speaker 1>they started to learn more. You know, Greg really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a father figure, and I think Rex came into

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<v Speaker 1>the picture, and you know, he was doing the karate stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy Rex Reid, supposedly had a black belt in karate.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Rex had become close. He liked being around Rex,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it's because just his attitude and he

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy that didn't take any crap off anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe that Greg was looking for anything at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and and Rex certainly fit the bill. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this guy was a little bit different

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<v Speaker 1>than most you know, dad's or boyfriends or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>think was attractive to him. That this guy is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>out there living on the edge, and you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. And I think that Greg may have been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to emulate some of those things. Detectives determined the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamite that Greg had used that had been stolen from

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<v Speaker 1>a construction site had been taken by this boyfriend. Rex

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<v Speaker 1>were both Rex and Greg, but other than that, they

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea why the dynamite was stolen, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>who this guy really was. We never identified, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he came here for a job, or he had family

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<v Speaker 1>in the area or anything like that. He seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a loner. People told us that they didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>who he really was anyway, but they just said that

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<v Speaker 1>Rex Reid was a bad guy. And that if anybody

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<v Speaker 1>tried some mess with them that you guys will never

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<v Speaker 1>take him alive, and you know, some officers might get

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<v Speaker 1>hurt in the process. Greg's friends literally warned them about

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<v Speaker 1>this guy from the very beginning. We were aggressive. If

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<v Speaker 1>somebody needed to be found, we were going to find him.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve Smith is a great detective. He put a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time in on this case because we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>that guy. He was obviously good at concealing his identity.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally just kind of fell off the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. Eventually, the hunt for Rex led them to

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<v Speaker 1>a boarding house where he had been staying, about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes away. We went to the house, made contact with

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<v Speaker 1>the lady there, told her what was going on. She

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<v Speaker 1>told me that Rex had disappeared the day before, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>and we asked, you know, if he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be back she knew anything. She says, no, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone. He cleared out his room and they asked

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<v Speaker 1>her for her permission to search his room. In the

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<v Speaker 1>trash can, we located what turned out to be a

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license had been cut up into fifty sixty little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny pieces that one of the detectives, Alan Harris, very

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<v Speaker 1>methodically putting back together, and then when he had it

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<v Speaker 1>back together, we could get a name and a date

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<v Speaker 1>of birth. He entered that in the computer and we

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<v Speaker 1>immediately got an n C I s hit n C

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<v Speaker 1>i C stands for the National Crime Information Center. They

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<v Speaker 1>learned this guy who went by the name Rex Reid,

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<v Speaker 1>had several warrants out of the state of Florida for

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of serious felony crimes. And in order to

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<v Speaker 1>protect the identity of the woman who I believe wrote Hitman,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to obscure his real name at times and

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<v Speaker 1>call him by one of his alias is at others, Randall,

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Phelps. We did the computer work in lo and

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<v Speaker 1>behold there he was the federal fugitive. Sometimes we'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Rusty called this guy Rex because that's what they

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<v Speaker 1>initially knew him as, and it would be thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>years before they finally learned the whole truth about him.

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<v Speaker 1>All while reporting this story, I've talked to dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>people who know a thing or two about a thing

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<v Speaker 1>or two, but no one I've talked to knows the

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<v Speaker 1>entire story, including Steven Rusty. They've never even heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Hitman until I called, and then I told Rusty and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve the book was linked to a triple murder. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that? No, I did not know that until

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<v Speaker 1>you had mentioned it. And then I, yeah, gone online

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<v Speaker 1>and started looking at things and saw it, and I thought, well, no, great, big,

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<v Speaker 1>giant surprise that he would author a book and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would think that would be the manual to go about

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<v Speaker 1>doing bad things to good people. Even now, I keep

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<v Speaker 1>finding new things. Just this week, as I was writing

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, I stumbled onto a passage and hit man

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember seeing before, probably because it wasn't relevant

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<v Speaker 1>until now. Rex Ferrell says, quote dynamite is nice and

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<v Speaker 1>can be picked up from many building sites or roads

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<v Speaker 1>under construction, but during storage the sticks have to be

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<v Speaker 1>turned over regularly to prevent settling of the nitro, and

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<v Speaker 1>the blasting caps necessary to make it go off are

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<v Speaker 1>so tricky that just by walking across the carpet enough

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<v Speaker 1>static electricity could be created to blow you away. As

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<v Speaker 1>I said in the beginning, unless you know what you

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<v Speaker 1>are doing, stay away from requests for this type of

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<v Speaker 1>extermination or the life you take, maybe your own. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. I truly thought I'd reach the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rex Feral story. I learned it was a

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<v Speaker 1>woman now a grandmother in her seventies who originally wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book of fiction and wanted it pulled after it

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<v Speaker 1>was associated with the triple murder in Maryland. But then

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<v Speaker 1>late one night I decided to just plug a few

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<v Speaker 1>names and dates I had into some archives, and there

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<v Speaker 1>it was the story I knew had to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've had some similar moments of discovery while

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<v Speaker 1>making this podcast, but this was where I uncovered something huge,

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<v Speaker 1>A part of this story that literally no one, not

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<v Speaker 1>even Tiffany Horn, Bob Dean, Howard Siegel, I mean, no

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<v Speaker 1>one knew about. And the more I read, the more

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<v Speaker 1>I found about this guy, Randall Wayne Phelps, the more

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<v Speaker 1>I really began to understand the genesis of this book.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what the author said to Pellatan editor Virginia Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, in answer to your question and that

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<v Speaker 1>of Mr. Land, I get my materials from books, television, movies, newspapers,

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<v Speaker 1>police officers, my karate instructor. Back in the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>right around the time Hitman was written, Phelps was training

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<v Speaker 1>to be a police officer in Florida, I got his

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<v Speaker 1>personnel records and was able to learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about him. Apparently, he was five ten and weighed

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<v Speaker 1>one forty pounds. He was a U. S citizen and

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<v Speaker 1>was engaged to be married. I assumed to the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who I've been told authored hitman, because the emergency contact

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<v Speaker 1>listed on his new higher payroll notice and the first

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<v Speaker 1>name listed in his personal references that same name. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>according to his application for employment, he says he got

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<v Speaker 1>his g e d In attended community college in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and in his employment record he says he was a

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<v Speaker 1>harpet installation mechanic and converted to a carpet salesman. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say, during this time, I have also

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<v Speaker 1>taught classes in self defense and martial arts to perfect

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<v Speaker 1>and maintain my skills for personal enjoyment and for additional income. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>our Rex Ferrell actor, he cites his fifteen years of experience,

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<v Speaker 1>is a fifth degree black belt karate instructor as a

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<v Speaker 1>skill or qualification that would make him fit for the role.

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<v Speaker 1>I hold belts in five styles, last being my own style,

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<v Speaker 1>American Combat Karate, which is the layman's no nonsense approach

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<v Speaker 1>to self defense and street fighting. As grand master of

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<v Speaker 1>this style, I've taught many law enforcement officers. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to list several local police departments and a narcotic squad,

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<v Speaker 1>saying law enforcement agencies have always received training from me

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<v Speaker 1>and no charge as a public service. A public affairs

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<v Speaker 1>off sir from this department told us that back then

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<v Speaker 1>the field training would have involved riding in a patrol

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<v Speaker 1>car with an officer for a few days, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple evaluation reports in these files. At the

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<v Speaker 1>time his final evaluation report was issued, he was on

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<v Speaker 1>probation and had been training for five and a half months.

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<v Speaker 1>This report gives him an overall performance grade of not satisfactory,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the categories of public relations, knowledge of work,

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<v Speaker 1>work judgments, jobs, skill level, quality of work accepts, direction,

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<v Speaker 1>physical limitations, job attitude, etcetera. The field training officer giving

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<v Speaker 1>this evaluation elaborates in the comments section by saying, quote

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<v Speaker 1>two lacks in confronting suspects, traffic violation and field safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Example standing in traffic while issuing traffic summons, hair length

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<v Speaker 1>needs some attention, tends to be cold and indifferent to

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<v Speaker 1>people in their problems, Cold and indifferent to coworkers, does

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<v Speaker 1>not mingle into group. This comment section wasn't big enough.

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<v Speaker 1>The evaluation continues onto an additional sheet of paper, going

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<v Speaker 1>on to say things like recruit is very slow in

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<v Speaker 1>writing reports and has many spelling mistakes. Recruit does assigned tasks,

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<v Speaker 1>but acts as if he's board stiff doing them, very

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<v Speaker 1>slow to accept changes and wants a detailed explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>the changes. Cannot control interviews with I rate persons. Intends

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<v Speaker 1>to become flustered and confused as to what actions to take.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently Phelps was color blind and he kept reading maps wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>getting confused and ending up in the wrong area. The

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation says he has quote very poor driving habits and

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<v Speaker 1>kept nearly getting into accidents. And then there's this comment

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<v Speaker 1>quote has told this FTO he is only interested in

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<v Speaker 1>major cases, especially drug pushers, and he has his own

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<v Speaker 1>definite opinion as to how they should be treated. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>that this evaluation goes on and on. There are twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine different comments. Again, retired Captain Steve Smith. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>last very long. I think they got suspicious of his integrity.

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<v Speaker 1>Helps His resignation letter dated June one reads, I find

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<v Speaker 1>that I disagree with many of the practices and techniques

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<v Speaker 1>advocated in my training period. Unwilling to compromise my views

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<v Speaker 1>on the duties of a police officer as a public servant,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish to be free to offer my services elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a short time after that that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>him and his companions started doing the drug dealer rip offs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to tell you about this book I

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<v Speaker 1>found sounds familiar, but I'm talking about the other book.

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<v Speaker 1>Rex Ferrell wrote. It looks like a comic book or

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<v Speaker 1>a silly pulp novel, same as Hitman. The cover is

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<v Speaker 1>orange and there's a masked man bursting into the room

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<v Speaker 1>with a machine gun. He surprised two guys. They're jumping

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<v Speaker 1>up from a table covered in money and drugs and

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<v Speaker 1>open cans of beer. The book's title is just as ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called How to Rip Off a Drug Dealer and

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<v Speaker 1>it was published in by Paladin. In the first chapter,

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrell rights, ripping off or stealing the merchandise of drug

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<v Speaker 1>dealers can be a very profitable business among the outlaws

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<v Speaker 1>who grow, import and manufacture these illegal substances for distribution.

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<v Speaker 1>There exists the law of the jungle survival of the strongest.

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<v Speaker 1>Any outlaw who can outthink, out maneuver, or out fox

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<v Speaker 1>any other outlaw is entitled to the bounty he appropriates.

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<v Speaker 1>The author pitched this book before Hitman was even released.

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<v Speaker 1>In her deposition, Paladin editor Virginia Thomas recounted something the

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<v Speaker 1>author wrote in a letter. I'm anxious that Rex Savage

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<v Speaker 1>established himself with Paladin readers as a top quality writer

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<v Speaker 1>who knows his stuff. I have ideas for additional books,

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<v Speaker 1>which we touched on briefly during our last phone conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that's our actor reading the author's words. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have the first two chapters on popping drug dealers

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<v Speaker 1>ready to send to you soon. I think it will

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<v Speaker 1>be better than The hit Man. It is, in a

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<v Speaker 1>weird way better than Hitman. Some of the hard boiled

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy has been stripped away, and most of the book

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<v Speaker 1>is straightforward, practical, actionable. How to assemble a team, how

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<v Speaker 1>to train them, how to storm a room, how to

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<v Speaker 1>dispose of the merchandise. Actually it's pretty scary the level

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<v Speaker 1>of sophistication laid out in the book. The equipment and

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<v Speaker 1>tactics are all military. Great Two Way Radio's bulletproof vests

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<v Speaker 1>and infrared scopes. Rex Ferrell advises to use a fully

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<v Speaker 1>automatic Mac ten, which would later fall under assault weapons ban,

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<v Speaker 1>and votes a whole chapter to marksmanship too. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>this being a rex Feral book, there are totally absurd moments,

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<v Speaker 1>like the long passage about why dressing up as a

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<v Speaker 1>woman is the perfect disguise. You will need a method

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<v Speaker 1>for very close removal of facial and maybe even leg

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<v Speaker 1>hair in order to effectively portray a woman. Get your

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<v Speaker 1>wife or girlfriend to help you. Select some inexpensive makeup,

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<v Speaker 1>then practice applying the makeup until you achieve a natural look.

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<v Speaker 1>Women's magazines tell you how you don't want to appear

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<v Speaker 1>clownish or garish. You want your target to really think

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<v Speaker 1>that you are female. He suggests picking up quote hard

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<v Speaker 1>plastic breasts with nipples and other novelty items from party

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<v Speaker 1>shops to complete the look, and he consoles the reader,

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<v Speaker 1>so why you stand in front of the mirror feeling

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit queer? Keep in mind why you

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<v Speaker 1>are playing in makeup if it bothers your macho self

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<v Speaker 1>image so you can't sleep at night. Instead of counting sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>try counting stacks of hundred dollar bills. The book How

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<v Speaker 1>to rip Off a Drug Dealer is dedicated to this

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<v Speaker 1>guy and quote to men of courage everywhere who dared

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<v Speaker 1>to take a chance, and to all those outlaws. I

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<v Speaker 1>dare not mention by name outlaw. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>hyperbole in these two books, but this is a detail

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<v Speaker 1>that is not an exaggeration, because Phelps apparently wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>ripping off dealers. He was doing it while pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be a cop. There's a whole section on how to

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<v Speaker 1>do this in the book. It's called the police assault.

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<v Speaker 1>This method of entry is probably the safest and most

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<v Speaker 1>profitable of all or the serious and well equipped team.

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<v Speaker 1>It consists of entering the location by flashing seemingly legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>police credentials and making the mark think he is under arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>If handled correctly, the entire procedure will go smoothly and

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<v Speaker 1>one job will possibly lead to future jobs without resistance

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<v Speaker 1>or violence. This method requires one special skill, says Rex.

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<v Speaker 1>At least one of the inside men should be capable

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<v Speaker 1>of playing the part of a seasoned, knowledgeable, hardened cop.

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<v Speaker 1>Randall Wayne Phelps, of course, had been training to be

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer. Maybe he was better at playing a

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<v Speaker 1>cop than he was at being a cop, So Phelps

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<v Speaker 1>resigned from the police department in three started ripping off

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealers the following year, and then the explosion happened

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<v Speaker 1>three years later. So when Rusty and Steve started investigating

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<v Speaker 1>that explosion, Phelps had already been on the run from

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<v Speaker 1>the Feds. An investigator for a state's attorney's office in

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<v Speaker 1>Florida actually hopped on a plane as soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>heard about the explosion Steve was investigating. The guy's name

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<v Speaker 1>was ed Boone. His nickname was Boomer, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a very booming voice, so it was appropriate I tried

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<v Speaker 1>to reach ed Boone. Unfortunately he died in two thousand fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Boone ended up telling us that this had been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in a number of crimes. They were ripping off

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealers acting like they were the police. They would

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<v Speaker 1>do their search warrants supposedly and confiscate the drugs and money.

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<v Speaker 1>They would just tell the bad guys that somebody will

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<v Speaker 1>notify you when the warrants issued and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>to pick you up on that. If you're a drug

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<v Speaker 1>suspect and the police never call you or show up again,

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<v Speaker 1>you just kind of figure you skated and nothing else

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<v Speaker 1>is going to go on. It's kind of a perfect crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it sounds like that idea could actually work.

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<v Speaker 1>But like James Harry, they messed up. They did make

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake and hit a house that wasn't a drug house.

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<v Speaker 1>I found a newspaper article from December that says three

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<v Speaker 1>men Phelps as co conspirators, were found guilty of imprisoning

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<v Speaker 1>two families and robbing their homes while posing as federal

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<v Speaker 1>drug agents. The unsuspecting families inquired and these people ended

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<v Speaker 1>up calling the police later to find out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstances and why they got targeted, And all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the Florida Law Enforcement Agency started putting two

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<v Speaker 1>and two together that this was people out acting like

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<v Speaker 1>they were police ripping off drug dealers. According to that

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<v Speaker 1>article I found about the robbery that went wrong, police

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<v Speaker 1>found the book how to rip Off a Drug Dealer

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<v Speaker 1>in their possession. These men were convicted of two counts

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<v Speaker 1>of kidnapping, two counts of false imprisonment, two counts of

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<v Speaker 1>armed robbery, two counts of burglary, two counts of grant theft,

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<v Speaker 1>two counts of conspiracy and eight counts of carrying a

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<v Speaker 1>firearm during the sition of a felony. Phelps, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he had kind of just disappeared into the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like he did after we started looking for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So these three guys got arrested. Phelps was on the run.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I found this. Another article from March n

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<v Speaker 1>said a thirty six year old woman had been arrested

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<v Speaker 1>after providing fake Drug Enforcement Administration identification and warrants to

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<v Speaker 1>the three men who committed the robbery. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>arrest warrant and sworn testimony from one of those three men,

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<v Speaker 1>she typed these false warrants and I das in her home.

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<v Speaker 1>She had been charged with two counts each of conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a robbery with a firearm in conspiracy to

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>commit a burglary of a dwelling in which an assault

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<v Speaker 1>or battery occurred. So while Phelps got away, his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>or fiance was being held accountable for her part in

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>this crime. This woman's name, once again the same one

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<v Speaker 1>I believe to be the author of hit Man. This

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<v Speaker 1>article even says this woman calls herself a writer. Phelps

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<v Speaker 1>went by several names, and while he was a federal fugitive.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the elias is popped up over the years

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<v Speaker 1>and other states. At one point in August after the robbery,

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested in Florida after his car broke down.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the booking report, the officer says, while on patrol,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw a tan jeep off to the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the road with the hood open. He pulled up behind

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<v Speaker 1>the jeep and started running the Texas tags. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he saw a white male approximately five nine and one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty pounds, leaning in the jeep on the passenger side.

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<v Speaker 1>He had his hands in the vehicle. He kept looking

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<v Speaker 1>back at the officer and back into the jeep. He

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>did this about six times. There was another man with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer says. We were on a dark road and

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<v Speaker 1>due to the suspicious furtive movement made, and for fear

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<v Speaker 1>of my safety, I took a survey look into the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle to make sure there was no one else in

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the jeep to do me harm. When I did, I

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>observed a light colored green shirt wrapped tightly around what

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<v Speaker 1>outlined a gun on the front seat, where the person

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>had been bent over. The officer says earlier that night

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>he heard over his police radio that two people had

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>held up a seven eleven and one of them had

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a green shirt wrapped around his hand to indicate he

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<v Speaker 1>had a gun. The officer then discovered they had a

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<v Speaker 1>duffel bag filled with holsters and other guns, handcuffs, a

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>blue light, two badges, cans that look like tear gas,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>clips and ammo, and two items that look like silencers.

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>There was also a large amount of marijuana next to

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>this bag. This is kind of our only moment seeing

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Phelps up close, well, aside from his police evaluation Ed Boone,

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith, Rusty James. They were always right behind him,

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<v Speaker 1>but this officer actually interacts with him, even though he

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>has no idea who he's dealing with. Literally, as he

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>handed the officer his license, his real license with his

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>real name, the officer saw another idea underneath it for

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Randall Wayne Phelps. This is where we learned of that Elias.

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<v Speaker 1>When the officer asked him why he had to Florida

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<v Speaker 1>I d S. Phelps said he got the driver's license

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>with that name so he could write a book. After

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>he was arrested and charged with carrying a concealed firearm

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>in possession of marijuana, Phelps made bail and went on

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the run again. Do you know how long he was

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>actually on the run for and all? It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>initially six or eight years on the front end, and

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<v Speaker 1>then after we tried to locate him, it was another

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>six to nine years I think before he met his

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>dumb eyes. We'll be right back. There are a ton

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>of illustrations and photos and how to rip off a

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>drug dealer, but there are two that I keep coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to. There's a shot of a falsified d A

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<v Speaker 1>I D. The man in the photo looks big, strong,

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>He's wearing what's obviously a fake mustache and a wig.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>But am I looking at Phelps? I still haven't been

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>able to locate his mug shot. And then there's another

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<v Speaker 1>which is just so disturbing. It's in the section about

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<v Speaker 1>interrogation techniques, about using a blade to get someone to talk.

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>A young woman lies on the ground, her hands bound.

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<v Speaker 1>A masked man kneels above her. He's got a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of her hair and a knife to her throat. Who

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<v Speaker 1>is that man? Is that Phelps? Who's the woman? Phelps

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>was like this aberration, a ghost that would cause harm

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and then disappear after all these robberies, and after the explosion,

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>he had somehow gotten away every time. Steve eventually learned

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that Phelps had returned to Florida. At some point, Ed

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Boone had given us the information about his girlfriend in Florida.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>He'd apparently gone back to his girlfriend fiance, the one

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<v Speaker 1>who I think wrote hit man, who at the time

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>had two children, including a teenage son, And Ed was

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<v Speaker 1>going to pursue that a little bit more when he

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>got back to Florida, to see if he started getting

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>mail at her house or showed up to her house.

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And then one day Steve's phone rang, It was Ed Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>When I answered, he just said, we got him, and

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I knew it was Boomer, and so I knew he

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>had to be talking about. He told me that they

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>had him, but he was in a box. And then

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend's son shot and killed. You know, he had

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.479
<v Speaker 1>evidently been back there living again, and they had had

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>another one of their fights, and evidently when it became physical,

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>um this young man decided that this guy wasn't gonna

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>hurt his mom anymore and shot and killed him. That's

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>how I found out that we didn't need to be

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>looking for him. Anymore. This happened just two weeks after Millie, Trevor,

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and Janice were murdered. A local newspaper article from this

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<v Speaker 1>time says the young man who shot Phelps was fifteen

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>years old, and that Phelps died after being shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the head. This all happened in the family's living room.

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<v Speaker 1>I was shocked, No wonder, she's never wanted to talk

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>about this. Her teenage son shot her fugitive boyfriend right

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in front of her. The fifteen year old was arrested

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>on an open count of murder. We also reached out

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to him for this podcast and got no response. Authorities

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>also discovered a meth lab in a shed behind the

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>house that they described as one of the more elaborate

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>labs they'd seen. Sheriff's deputies believed Phelps built and operated

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the lab, so he'd gone from ripping off drug dealers

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to becoming one. Apparently, an officer from the same police

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>department Phelps was kicked out of said when he learned

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Phelps had been killed, he wasn't terribly surprised. He called

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:50.919
<v Speaker 1>him extremely deadly. Rusty remembers getting the call. I just said, hey,

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>who says there's no justice? You know he was a

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.280
<v Speaker 1>bad man. He's a bad guy. Do you know anything

0:34:56.280 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>about that girlfriend in Florida? Nothing other that here than uh.

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I believe her son did the right thing. I think

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the kid he had a lot of courage. And I

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>won't say I was happy, but I was glad that

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>he was not going to be a threat to anyone else.

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't say that I was sad about it. It

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, good, he's off the street. He can't hurt

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>anybody else or disrupting any other families lives. But there's

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>one more question that keeps snagging at me. We know

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Phelps started ripping off drug dealers after the second book

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>was written, but what about the first book was Rex

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>hit Man? Now? I don't think we'll ever know, but

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I'd say that there's a good probability. Of course, if

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>every department had a cold case squad, they could go

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>back and look at the things in those books and

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>then compared with what they have, I think they may

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>be able to find some things like that, but that's

0:35:53.000 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the luxury. Most departments don't have. The stories I've told

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 1>you about in this podcast could just be the ones

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>we know about Hitman and how to rip off a

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>drug dealer, might be the so called blueprints for other

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>crimes committed by Phelps himself or others. I mean, the

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>books just a book, obviously. But what's so crazy about

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>all of this is that it seems like there was

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a real Rex Ferrell. Maybe he was the inspiration or

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the co writer, or Phelps somehow morphed into this character.

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>But that persona the macho, rogue, dangerous maverick. He was real,

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and what else did Phelps do? We actually put in

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<v Speaker 1>a Freedom of Information Act request into the FBI to

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>try to get their files on Phelps, and just this

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>morning we got back a reply that said, please be

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>advised that quote unusual circumstances apply to the processing of

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>your request. Apparently, unusual circumstances could mean a couple of

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>different scenarios, like quote a need to search, for, collect,

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and examine a voluminous amount of separate and distinct records.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling I'll be finding more and more

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<v Speaker 1>well after this podcast ends. I mean, we started this

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 1>story talking about this book written by a so called

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>hitman himself and then a triple murder, and then we

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>discovered the author was actually a woman. But wait, there

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>was also a man who seemed to have embodied the book.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>We've spent a lot of time with these wrong doers Randall,

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Phelps, Lawrence Horn, James Perry for some paid or

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Lund although maybe that's not fair, but anyway, we've spent

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>time with these guys because we've had to. But this

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>is where it all ends, with the people who really

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>propelled and compelled me to tell this story, the survivors. Hi, Hi, right,

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>how are you. I'm good? How are you doing? Oh good?

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to touch base with you and see how

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>things are going. I kept Tiffany Horn updated on everything

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I learned over the last two years or so, every

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Motown interview, every lawyer I got back in touch with,

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>but also every strange new twist I uncovered about the

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>book and the story behind it. I was sort of

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>driven to get to the bottom of this, in part

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>for her, because she'd given me so much of her time,

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and meanwhile, Tiffany had to go on her own journey

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>for closure, including a prison visit with her dad. There

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>were so many demons and so many things that I

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.479
<v Speaker 1>had been battling, so much rage that I had had

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>that had been building inside me. It was important for

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>me to to let that go and to face him.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to really settle with him and look him

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>in his eye and also just see my dad again,

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>like I wanted to be that little girl that I

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>used to be and just look at him that way

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 1>instead of as this monster that's next on hit Man.

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