WEBVTT - SAM SMITH

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<v Speaker 1>I love hosting these podcasts because you can listen anytime

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<v Speaker 1>you want and we get to talk as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we want. On the radio, we gotta have to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of keep it brief because you want to hear music.

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<v Speaker 1>But here in the podcast we can have in depth, meaningful, vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>intimate conversations. And this podcast is with the very talented

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Smith. Such a talented voice, and he's got new

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<v Speaker 1>music out, new music that we're playing on The Delilah Show.

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<v Speaker 1>But he has such a sweet story. We are going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with Sam Smith and get to the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of his life, the heart of the matter in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm giddy with excitement. Sound Hello, Hello, Hello, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me, and thank you. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Delilah Show. Oh my gosh, you you Sam. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you've heard this a million times, but you have one

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<v Speaker 1>of those those voices and the way that you um

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<v Speaker 1>caress your lyrics, it just goes right right to the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Like within two notes. When I hear just two or

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<v Speaker 1>three notes and stay with me, I'm like, shut up, kids,

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<v Speaker 1>big a moment, and I just crank it. Amazing. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad, that's great. Thank you? Are you really as

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<v Speaker 1>sweet as you appear like. Is there a dark side

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<v Speaker 1>of you? Like? Of course, Oh my gosh, there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a dark side. There's a feisty, dark, sassy side for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd like to think I'm sweet as well. I'm trying,

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<v Speaker 1>I um, I try and be as kind as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what That's a big thing for me. Kind is

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<v Speaker 1>better than sweet. Kind is always better than sweet, because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes sweet can be schmarmy or fakey or too nice,

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<v Speaker 1>but kind is always appropriate. So I love that. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Sam Smith with me here on the Delilah Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and so many things I want to talk about. First

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<v Speaker 1>and foremost, it has to be hard to come out

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. Completely tonight, we are talking with

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<v Speaker 1>the incredibly talented Sam Smith, and we are able to

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<v Speaker 1>cleanup specialist at serve Pro. Welcome back, Sam Smith. We

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about the intense pressure of making music,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially about making music that lives up to your

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<v Speaker 1>last album, which was a smash Yet do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I can talk about it now? I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a week since I've released this song, and this

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<v Speaker 1>song is too good. It's called too Good at Goodbyes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly from my heart, Like for the last six months,

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<v Speaker 1>people keep asking me, you know, how have you dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with the pressure from that first record and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>And I would always just completely shoot down that word

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<v Speaker 1>pressure and be like, I haven't felt any pressure, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried to keep it all positive to convince myself

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<v Speaker 1>that I haven't felt any pressure. But now the song

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<v Speaker 1>is out, I can admit it was intense pressure. The

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<v Speaker 1>pressure is really intense. You know that first record, did

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<v Speaker 1>you know I was just worrying. I mean I went

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<v Speaker 1>from worrying about working in a bar to just wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to sing every day, and that was my main worries,

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<v Speaker 1>was am I going to be able to do this

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<v Speaker 1>as a job to two years down the line then

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<v Speaker 1>having to worry about following up what I've just put out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's really unfair actually that we do put

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on like this on artists after their first record.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I the week before this single release, I

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<v Speaker 1>was so scared because I just didn't know how people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm coming back from a break and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if people are going to want me back

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<v Speaker 1>or they don't they don't want to hear my voice again.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reaction the last week has just been absolutely incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just overwhelmed that I've been, you know, welcomed

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<v Speaker 1>back and people of he missed what I do, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just so thankful. Well, I didn't really miss it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I play it over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm one of those people. I never get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of a song I love, Like I never get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of a song that I love. It's it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a part of my heart and every time

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<v Speaker 1>I hear it it it brings up those amazing emotions

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<v Speaker 1>and just joy when I hear you on the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same so I have I have not um stopped listening

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<v Speaker 1>to you or stopped playing you, but I was so

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<v Speaker 1>excited what I heard you were doing new stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>it means I need to play new stuff and more

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<v Speaker 1>people get And I can't wait to give this album

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so much like two good Audbys just touches

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<v Speaker 1>the sides. Honestly, there's there's so much, so many stories

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm telling this record, and I just can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for it to be in people's hands. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with this story to goodbyes. Uh. Janie, my producer

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<v Speaker 1>got it to me a couple of weeks ago, right

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<v Speaker 1>after probably right after your record reps got it to her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because had I heard that song fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, I would have been on the floor. It

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<v Speaker 1>would have slayed me because that was my life story,

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<v Speaker 1>my adult life story. Yeah, but now I'm actually in

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<v Speaker 1>a good place, in a good relationship for eleven years

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<v Speaker 1>now with somebody that I know will never ever, ever

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever say goodbye. Yeah, so I heard it from

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different perspective. I heard it from thank God,

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<v Speaker 1>thank God, I'm not there anymore. Yeah. No, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>and that's Joel. I listened to it now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the same thing, even though it was only two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, um, a year and a half ago that

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote it. But you know, I do think I

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<v Speaker 1>captured that my age in that tune. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was much older than you when I

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<v Speaker 1>was still goodbyes. So this wasn't the stuff I went through,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when my teens and twenties, I continued that dysfunctional.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps God, don't say that that means I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to go through No, no, no, no no no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not. No, You're not going to learn earlier than

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Yeah, hopefully what it boils down to. What

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<v Speaker 1>it boiled down to for me was finally realizing how

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<v Speaker 1>precious I was. Do you know what? It's amazing you

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<v Speaker 1>say that. That's like I feel on top of the

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<v Speaker 1>world the last like I'd say, the last four or

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<v Speaker 1>five weeks, because I've really actually had to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>with myself and and just think after the making of

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<v Speaker 1>this record, and I just sat down with myself and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, George, Sam, you don't actually like yourself at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, and how is anything going to work in life,

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<v Speaker 1>not just relationships, but relationships with your family, your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your career. How is anything going to work

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<v Speaker 1>out if you actually don't respect yourself. So I've really

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<v Speaker 1>started to take time to respect myself and that I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's going to be album three probably, But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I look back on this record that I've written and

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<v Speaker 1>two good at goodbyes, and I do look back on

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<v Speaker 1>it now and think, you know, I was quite self

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<v Speaker 1>destructive when I was writing it, and now you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you've come out of that, or you're coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I feel like I'm coming out of it

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't happen overnight. Oh god no. And a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of it was I stopped I've stopped drinking,

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<v Speaker 1>so I haven't been drinking for a bit um, so

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to give that a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a break. I mean, I've made a bet with my

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<v Speaker 1>manager that I'm not going to drink till Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm good. So I'm going to fulfill that and

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<v Speaker 1>then I have a glass of wine. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of it for me was just to

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<v Speaker 1>chill out and stop coming out as much. I made

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<v Speaker 1>that bet with somebody twenty six years ago, and it

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<v Speaker 1>changed my life and my my addiction or my um

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<v Speaker 1>weakness was not so much the alcohol as it was

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<v Speaker 1>the alcoholics I kept falling in love with. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you love somebody who's an addict or an alcoholic or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fill in the blank, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>porn addiction or gambling addiction or of crack addiction, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you you cannot have a successful relationship. Yeah, You're so right.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me, it was when it came down to

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<v Speaker 1>the music as well. I've I I love, I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>like having a balance of sadness and happiness in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just who I am. And when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>the writing of this record, I was worried that I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to be able to access any sadness because

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<v Speaker 1>of um my life. You know, it was so amazing

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<v Speaker 1>after in the lonely hour, I was like, I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>such a I'm on cloud nine. It wasn't just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>How am I going to write anything if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>How am I going to How am I going to

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<v Speaker 1>write anything if I'm not sad? So I then deliberately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, probably deliberately got myself in situations I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have went out too much, just was self destructive, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say something when you said that privately, deliberately,

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<v Speaker 1>we we do sabotage ourselves without even thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't sit there and go, how can

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<v Speaker 1>I hurt myself? But it is I look back on

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<v Speaker 1>it now and I think it was yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't deliver. Yeah. In the time, I wasn't I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, But what I learned was the music

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<v Speaker 1>did not benefit. Thank god, I was writing really bad

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<v Speaker 1>music for a good two three months while you were

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<v Speaker 1>writing it. Were you thinking, God, this is good and

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<v Speaker 1>then later your life great? Yeah? And then I listened

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<v Speaker 1>back and everyone was like, no, you just sound really

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<v Speaker 1>depressed and it just wasn't fun. So it took me

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<v Speaker 1>to slowly calm myself down and yeah, just have a

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<v Speaker 1>clear mind and then figure out what I want to say. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm very thankful that because I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of artists get into that state and then they

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<v Speaker 1>write something incredible and then that's a horrible, um slippery path.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, someone just like I literally didn't to be.

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<v Speaker 1>A minute ago and someone asked me about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how am I going to write an album if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy in love? And I just I was like it,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're you're telling me that you think that people

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<v Speaker 1>get to a place where they are happy one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent of time. It doesn't exist. That you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be go out be going out drinking all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and being this tumultuous relationship to feel that that

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<v Speaker 1>depth of emotion. You know, you we there was as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, there's sadness all around us, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>also have a good balance of sadness and happiness I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing, though, if you if you do

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<v Speaker 1>find true love with somebody who respects you, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the for me, that's that is the key, that when

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<v Speaker 1>you can when you connect with somebody who respects you,

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<v Speaker 1>who honors the person you are, not respects your music

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<v Speaker 1>or respects your talent, but respects you sam as an

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<v Speaker 1>individual and honors that your soul. And I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people get confused and they want someone who lusts over you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and instead of respects you. Well I was

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<v Speaker 1>that someone for years. But but but when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you find that joy in that piece. You are still

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<v Speaker 1>going to have the diagnosis where you get the call

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<v Speaker 1>that you know the biopsy was cancerus. You're still going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the call where you have to say goodbye

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<v Speaker 1>to your grandparents or your mom or someone that you

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<v Speaker 1>dearly love it. You're still going to have those real

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<v Speaker 1>life situations. Um, they rip you apart. It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>because you're getting too good at goodbyes. You know it

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<v Speaker 1>so true, and you're always gonna you know, A big

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<v Speaker 1>part for me is opening my ears up to my

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<v Speaker 1>family and friends around me. You know, when if my

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<v Speaker 1>sisters or my parents or anyone go through high my

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<v Speaker 1>heart aches as well, you know. So it's not all

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not always about me, me, me, me, me,

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<v Speaker 1>and what my relationships are going through and and and

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<v Speaker 1>how my heart is. And that's what I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to challenge myself as a songwriter on this record

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<v Speaker 1>and really talk about other things. You know, and too

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<v Speaker 1>good at Goodbyes is that one of one of four

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<v Speaker 1>songs that is about me on the record. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a great way to insur myself back

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what people know from the first record and

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<v Speaker 1>me talking about myself. Um, but the next song you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear and the rest of the album is not.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's confession session. We have something here on the

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<v Speaker 1>Delalla shell called confession session where you are going to

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<v Speaker 1>confess to me something that will not be cause you

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<v Speaker 1>angst or injure you in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's one of the most incredibly horrific goodbyes, like

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody broke up with you via text? Or I

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<v Speaker 1>have a there's a young lady that's dating one of

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<v Speaker 1>my teenage sons right now and her prom date broke

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<v Speaker 1>up with her at the prom no way from and

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<v Speaker 1>she had to find another rite home at the prom. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to, we need his name, and we need to.

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<v Speaker 1>I came down ridiculous, and oh my god, what is

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<v Speaker 1>your most ridiculously memorable goodbye that either you said to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody or somebody said to you. Oh my gosh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think. Okay, I would say, um, the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who too good at goodbyes is about I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, I got it happened over the phone, which

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<v Speaker 1>is horrific. Um, So I would say that would be it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got, I got dumped on the phone, Um, a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours before I was meant to meet the person,

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<v Speaker 1>and that killed me. It was awful. And I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to your songs and I can tell you want You

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<v Speaker 1>have such a sweetheart, such a good heart, and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to fix it. I do. I always want to

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<v Speaker 1>fix I just want to be happy. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I'm My idea of happiness was a bit warped,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I thought this happiness was this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>realm that you walked into where you were happy one

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But that just doesn't exist. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always gonna there's always going to be that. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to have that balance and be prepared. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about being It's about real life For me at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, you know, I'm trying to be real in

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<v Speaker 1>every way. Um, I'm part of an MTV generation where

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched all these films and I want my my

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<v Speaker 1>life to be like this Disney movie almost and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>now more attracted to the real side of stuff, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of that, this is National Suicide Prevention Awareness

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<v Speaker 1>Week and I have a teenage son that has been

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<v Speaker 1>struggling since last December and we had a crisis intervention,

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<v Speaker 1>and UM, really good counselor, is really good doctor, is

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<v Speaker 1>really good medicine. He's not through it yet, UM, so

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<v Speaker 1>we it's still kind of touch and go, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's starting to talk about it. And I've read a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things about you, and you have dealt with depression,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have been very very honest and very very

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<v Speaker 1>real about your battles. And I just wondered if you

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<v Speaker 1>had any words of encouragement for young people or any

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<v Speaker 1>insights on what they could do to reach out for

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<v Speaker 1>help in this this week that we're paying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting a spot line. We should put a spot line

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<v Speaker 1>on it every day, every of course. But of course,

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<v Speaker 1>of course I UM talk open up, and I say,

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<v Speaker 1>in these situations, it's just important to be outward in

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<v Speaker 1>every way. UM, when you're so locked in your own mind, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>do anything you can to just be outward. UM, Sing

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<v Speaker 1>songs that move you as loud as you possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to your mom and your dad and your sisters

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<v Speaker 1>and your and not even you don't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the actual thing that you're going through. Just

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<v Speaker 1>talk and hopefully something will flow after that. UM, But

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<v Speaker 1>just know you're not alone. Even when you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're alone, there's so many people in the world that

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<v Speaker 1>are alone as well, so you're not alone in that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know what I mean, I know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you mean. Thank you for that, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>for too good at goodbyes. Like I said when I first,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for talking your You're sensational. It's so lovely

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to you. Sam Smith. Too good at goodbyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say goodbye, but thank you. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. You're amazing. Thank you. Stay in touch. I will,

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<v Speaker 1>I will, I'll come to the farm. Okay, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>honest invitation. I'm not making that up, and no, I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to come. God bless you. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you,