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Speaker 1: But here in the podcast we can have in depth, meaningful, vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: Delilah Show. Oh my gosh, you you Sam. I know

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Speaker 1: Thanks Sam Smith with me here on the Delilah Show,

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Speaker 1: and so many things I want to talk about. First

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Speaker 1: cleanup specialist at serve Pro. Welcome back, Sam Smith. We

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Speaker 1: were just talking about the intense pressure of making music,

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