WEBVTT - #83 - Devin Dawson 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.160 All right, welcome to episode three of the Bobby Cast. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.560 Thanks for our sponsoring Blue and Sleep Number, and our 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.319 guest is Devin Dawson. Hey buddy, I am good. Yes, 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.640 I just came from the airport, as you see. I 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.560 got my bags and my guitar. Where were you came from? Chicago? 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.280 Was supposed to fly in last night, missed my connecting flight, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:24.680 got the hotel, had to get the early flight. It 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.720 all worked out fine. I'm just like in my airport, 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.840 get up here and wait, So is it you missed 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.680 the flight on your own because you were well. I 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.800 was with my band and uh well my three piece 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:36.839 you know we have sometimes we do full band, sometimes 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.400 we do just acoustic three piece. And we were coming 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.720 from Fort Wayne and the flight literally like we landed 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.960 five minutes after our connecting flight. Wasn't to know. It 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.560 was not my fault. So they got me a hotel 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.479 and then you had to stay the night that it 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.400 was you know what, it could be worse, man, but 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.240 I'm here and I made it, so no complaints. Man. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.960 I got my coffee too, so it's all good. What 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.800 do you drink? Just black iced cough even if it's 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.840 like negative a million degrees in the winter. Always always 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.280 iced coffee, but black, always black. Yeah, where'd you grow up? California. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.800 Grew up in a town called Orangeville, which is kind 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.520 of outside of thirty minutes outside of Sacramento. Yeah, so 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.720 northern California, Northern California. Northern cal always say this about 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:18.800 Northern California. People always feel like they're more human than 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.120 the Southern California people. I know, I don't know if 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.000 I've ever used the word human more, but like that's 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.040 a good way to put it. It's it's definitely two 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.000 different states, you know what I mean. Like I feel 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.119 like it's just a completely like once you cross over 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.160 the grape Vine and you get down into the southern California, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.880 it's just a whole different energy, a whole different ball game. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.319 People like look in the eyeballs. In Northern California, it's nice. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.840 Southern California people like trying to hand you stuff and 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.360 trying to always find the angle, which but I get 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.720 I get it because you kind of have to, you know, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.200 you kind of have to play that like puff your 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.040 chest a little bit and turn your chin music up 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.960 or whatever. Nick Jonas says, you know, like he kind 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:52.840 of got to like the Nashville is the same way, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.400 Like I feel like Nashville and l A are the same, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.720 just a little smaller and you dress a little different. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.960 I think Nashville is more familiar. It's got more of 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.400 a camaraderie thing, like we want to we all want 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.040 to get to the top, right, but we want to 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.680 do it together, Whereas I feel like sometimes in l A, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.200 the stigma is more like I want to get to 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.160 the top by standing on your shoulders somebody else, you 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:13.959 know what I mean. Like I feel like Nashville fakes 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.520 like they want to do it together. Man, I have 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.919 more I have more faith, I have more positivity. And 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.760 maybe it's just because I'm green and wide eyed and um, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.720 you know, doing my thing and I haven't experienced any 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.360 of that. There are great people. And when I moved town, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:25.760 I thought, I'm not gonna be friends with nobody, like 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.680 that was gonna be my thing. I'm gonna move to town. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.600 I'm gonna be friends with nobody, and I'm gonna be 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.920 completely objective about everything. And so if something sucks, I 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.160 get on the ear and say it sucks. And if 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.400 it's awesome, I say it's awesome. Which you should, which 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.720 I should, and I still really try to do. But 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.799 there there are such good people here though, that it's 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.679 been hard for me to keep from having friendships. It's 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.600 hard for me to not right because I didn't want 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.760 to have friends in the business at all, because I 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.960 wanted to be a voice of the people, not a 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.960 voice that is it. Because of the things that you 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.080 had heard from maybe l A or New York are 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.800 other places that you had been, and so you'd kind 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.240 of maybe gotten used to that stigma and that coming here, 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:02.720 you know, like it was gonna be the same. No, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.200 not at all. I was just like, I'm going to 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.320 not be the voice of the industry, and then I would. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.480 Then I became friends with Dirks Past, Eric Passley. Then 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.240 it's just like you meet good humans, you know, Like, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.720 how as much as I don't want to be friends 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.160 with Philip from a little big town, you just kind 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.440 of are. So I'm glad, I'm big fan of yours. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.960 Where do we meet? I can tell you this. I 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.400 was sitting at dinner with Dan, Dan and Shay and 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.760 you obviously you're very close to great, great friends, And 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.080 it was probably like January of this year, and I 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.880 was like, Hey, what's up with this devon dude? Like, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.320 because I was listening to music and I even, uh, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.360 it's way before stuff I come out. And I had 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.520 even called you head of your record label, and I 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.280 was like, hey, let me hear some of this devon. Yeah, 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.560 I think told me that he did. You were barking 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.760 up the stree a little bit, and I don't bark 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.920 up anybody's tree. And it wasn't even yet a project 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:57.840 coming out. I just wanted to because I was curious 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.240 because I had seen you play a couple of things, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.600 and that I didn't even know about the YouTube thing. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.160 And I'll get to that in a second. I had 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.720 no idea that that you did it, which is kind 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.560 of cool that you didn't no idea. So I'll come 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.160 back to that because I have questions because I know. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.160 And so I was like, let me hear about this guy, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.480 because I heard your sound and I would see you 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:15.760 and I was like, Okay, that doesn't fit. And I 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.320 like that things that don't fit always make everything else fit, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.160 Like things that don't fit bust in and everything else 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.760 fits around them if it's if it's really good. And 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.120 so I've heard you play it and obviously here's a song, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.920 remember months ago just being like, this song is so 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:43.680 freaking good. Count on me. You gotta tell me that 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.040 you make this record, and I bet you get the 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.159 normal that's not country. I bet you got that well, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.160 of course. I mean I feel like I feel like 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:51.800 a lot of people get that right now. And everyone 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.640 has their own version of what country is or what 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.360 how it's influenced them, you know, and like we're all 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.320 products of how we've grown up or what we've grown 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.520 up listening to. And I grew up listening to a 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.839 lot of country, a lot of soul, a lot of rock, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.640 and each one of them has its own kind of 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.520 influence on what I do. Like the country shines in 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.520 my lyrics and in my honesty and my storytelling per se, 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.560 or just the way that I set up a song, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.080 like the kind of culture of songwriting in country music 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.760 and in Nashville. And I think sonically the rock comes 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.080 through in the grittiness of the sounds, and and the 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.400 soul kind of comes through with the groove and then 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.880 hopefully the emotion behind my voice, and so it all 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.479 kind of works together. Um, But you know, being in Nashville, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.479 in this community, like we were talking about in the 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.360 songwriting that is just like so inherent and important. That's 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.800 what drew me to this town in this genre, and 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.320 it just was the only place that I knew I 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.080 could really do what I wanted to do wholeheartedly. You know. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.640 Obviously the same thing because again, you grew up in 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.440 a place that when people a California, but northern California's 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.360 pretty country, it is. It's crazy. People don't realize how 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.040 rural not only Northern California, but most of California is. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.400 I mean, you have San Francisco and you have l 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.040 A and everything else is pretty much just farms in 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.000 in little towns. And I grew up in Orangeville, is 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.839 thirty minutes outside of Sacramento, and it's just like a 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.360 little kind of horse country pocket. Like I literally grew 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.159 up in a converted barn, Like my dad has a 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.120 converted barn and that was the house, you know, and 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.200 built a house from my grandparents up on the hill. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.360 And my my aunt lives behind us and her her 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.120 you know, daughter and cousin lives right. It's this whole 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.200 part of town that's just like kind of horses and 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.320 turkeys and all that and so it's like it's just 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.120 a it's just a it's a pace, right, It's a 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.040 pace of life, it's a way of life. It's just 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.039 this thing that you know, it's a culture of what 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.320 how you grew up? I guess right. And you know 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.040 when you say you talk about your music, I get 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.840 the same thing that people look at me or they 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.360 hear the other kind of music that I'll play on 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.640 the show because I play hip hop on the show. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.600 I love, of course, I'll play the rocks. I love 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.200 rock like I love. But I grew up in a 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.960 small town in Arkansas and I was raised on country. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.400 People like, hey, so what is country to you? And 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.640 to me, it's about the authenticity of the lyric more 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.280 than it is a steel guitar, right, And steel guitars 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.839 are great and that's traditional, that's very traditional. But I 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.320 think today's country is more of let's have honest lyric. Yeah. Well, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.760 I'm I love a steel I'm such a sucker for 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.640 a steel, but I want it when it's supposed to 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.920 be there, not because it has to be, you know. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.400 And I think you're totally right. And that's what I say, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.440 is that it's all about the lyric. It's all about 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.160 the song. It's the way that you set up a hook. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.160 It's the way that you peel back the layers and 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.200 you don't give him everything until the very last line 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.640 and you tie that little bow on because country listeners 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.880 are gonna wait for that story, you know, like that's 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.960 what they expect, that's what they've been bred to do 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.240 in a way of listened to a song in a 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.480 certain way and appreciate a song in a certain way. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.640 And that's why I'm here because I love it too. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.560 So your brother is in music, he is. Yeah, So 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.240 I have a twin brother. First of all, I'm the 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.040 old Yeah, I'm the older one. Thirteen minutes and up 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.360 until yesterday, i mean, met these two uh little girls 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.200 at a meet and greet yesterday in Fort Wayne, and 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.560 they were thirty three minutes apart, and I'm we're thirteen 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.880 minutes apart, which I would up until yesterday was the 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.960 longest I'd ever heard of, like thirty three minutes. After 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.160 two minutes, it's usually like two minutes. It's usually like 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.880 all right, I'm ready, let's go, you know, and uh so, yeah, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.640 And the cool thing is that we both grew up 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.000 playing music. Together started a band when we were twelve, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.880 like rock band with our friends, garage band after school 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.840 every day. I played bass, he played drums. And we've 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.320 kind of worked our way through the industry and figured 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.360 out where we landed and what was our calling and 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.240 why we're here. And he's more on the production kind 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.680 of writing side, and obviously I'm more on the kind 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.319 of writing artist singing side. And we're rather than being opposites, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.600 were more compliments. We compliment each other. Um because identical, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.600 we're fraternal, so fraternal technically means separate eggs, which I 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.400 want to get him a shirt for a birthday that 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.880 says separate eggs minels say egg one on the back 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.520 as we'll say too. I don't want to like you 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.880 guys look alike. We look like brothers that just happened 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.240 to be born at the same time. He's a little 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.559 bit more he's got a little bit more fair complexion 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.080 than I do. Um, and he wears glasses. UM. I 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.720 don't know, he's it's just it's a really cool time, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.079 and it's it's a cool opportunity to to be able 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.200 to both do music and oh well, we each have 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.360 our own foundation to stand down we each have our 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.880 own circles that obviously intersect in some way, but there's 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.400 no weird comparison, Like he's doing cool things in his 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.520 own right and I'm doing cool things in my own right, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.400 and we come together to help each other out, but 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.080 there's never any weird like, man, I wish I was 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.160 doing that or whatever. 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I knew nothing about the 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.080 YouTube thing, and I was like, oh is the guy? 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.319 I gotta find it because I don't even know about it? Okay, 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:04.760 So it's a Taylor Swift mash up correct blank space. Okay, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.280 Honest to god, I knew nothing of it. I love that. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.880 It seriously makes me so happy. Okay, and this may 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.400 be the first time I've ever heard again in my life. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.680 I don't know if I've ever even heard this. I 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:19.280 got you change Dame day dream in my eye? You 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:25.360 got that clastic. Who's the girl? Her name is Luisa Wendorff. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.000 And we met at Belmont, like literally, my whole circle 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.920 is Belmont people like most people that I met the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.000 first day, which is even crazier to say. But she 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.000 we were just in the same dorm together and just 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.360 kind of wrote and she would sing harmonies on my 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.200 songs and I'd play guitar for her, and it just 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.959 one day kind of just happened, like crashing down. We 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:53.880 come back every time, out of sight, out of style, say, Okay, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.960 so I don't have a visual because I don't know 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.920 that I've seen it. So what are you two just 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.120 sitting in a room playing this for the video? So 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.679 literally we we That's how we did it. Like it 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.480 was Thanksgiving one day and we just kind of came 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.080 together and she's like, let's do it. Let's do a 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.280 mash up because that was kind of her brand on YouTube, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.120 you know. And I had just been writing songs because 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.640 I don't really I don't really do covers like I 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.800 I don't do them in my set, like I just 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.600 I love. If I'm going to do something, I want 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.320 to make it my own. But I write too many 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.600 songs to do covers. It's I'm not against it. I 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.960 just love sharing my words, right, and so you know, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.520 it was weird to have that be one of the 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.920 first breakout things was a cover. But we're just sitting 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.680 around one day and she's like, let's do a mash up, 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.800 and we kind of chose these two Taylor Swift songs 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.640 because it had just come out and I hadn't even 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.040 heard the record yet, and it kind of just fell 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.760 together in a couple of minutes and we listened back 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.920 to the little iPhone recording, we were like, there's something there. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.280 Literally like did the recording with my brother the next day, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.120 and then my really good friend life Thomas, who does 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.200 a lot of my videos and pictures still um went 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.080 out to some random road in Leaper's Fork that I 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.560 literally couldn't even get back to if I tried, and 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.320 just did this kind of like back to act on 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.719 a road. I had a guitar, She's singing this kind 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.600 of duet back to that we are lips sinking. So 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.679 we recorded it and then did a video to it 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.920 and blth this kind of like spinning around us with 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.360 her camera, and it just was this really quick thing 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.240 that we didn't even think about. Nobody did it for 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.160 any other reason than we thought it was good and 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.440 it was fun and we wanted to share it and 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:25.600 put it out December, I think of fourteen, and literally 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.920 the next day Taylor Swift saw it and tweeted it 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.280 and facebooked it and Google Plus did or whatever all 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.920 those you know, and it's ever since then, it's just 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.560 been a whirlwind. So so is that a thing to 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.600 where it does feel like your life changes when you 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.240 go viral? Aside from this, a lot of people go 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.920 viral like you went viral? Yeah, I mean, okay, So 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.360 what I usually say is, you know, you always want 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.320 to know what what's it like to go viral, how 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.760 does that happen? What does it feel like? And then 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.640 being on the other side of that, it's literally the 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.360 same thing. I have no idea how it happened. Like 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.600 it's just this crazy kind of it's its own people 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.000 calling you. Do you haven't heard from the unreal dude? 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.320 Like the day I woke up um to that happening, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.680 my phone was kept going off in the morning, and 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.600 I had gone out a couple of nights before the 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.440 night before, getting sushi and drinking saki with hometown friends 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.840 because we're all home for Christmas, you know, we've all 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.720 kind of gone our separate, separate ways. And I woke up, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.440 I was kind of hungover, you know, and my phone's 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.600 buzzing in the corner. I'm like, God, who is calling 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.000 me right now? You know? And I went over there 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.280 and I had like so many emails and messages and 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.600 and notifications that I tried to like unlock my phone 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.640 and it just froze. Like I had to like go 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.200 in and like delete emails like on my computer for 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.520 it to even open up. It was just ridiculous and 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.520 kind of just watching it happen and writing that wave 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.320 again is like, you don't even know. It's got a 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.080 mind of its own, It's got a life of its own. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.960 Did you make money off of that? Because you had 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.200 so many views? Yeah? On YouTube? You know, there's a 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.440 certain thing, like you going into it, you should. And 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.000 I learned this after the fact. You it's easier to 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.160 monetize beforehand, or choose that you want to monetize, like right. Um. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.160 And so we made a certain amount of money off 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.320 of that YouTube video, but the most you know, most 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.880 of the profits in the finance came from selling it 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.480 on iTunes. Um. And we ended up going to We 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.120 ended up playing the Red Carpet on the Grammys that year, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.600 which was the first time anybody has ever sag live 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.560 on the Red Carpet, which was unreal from from a 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:29.640 viral video, from a viral video wow. Yeah, from just 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.680 sitting there with her going hey, let's do the song 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.600 and you shot it, just doing something that we thought 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.880 felt right and that was fun. Nobody did it for 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.440 any financial purpose. Nobody did it for anything other and like, honestly, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.440 like I appreciate the financial aspect because it allowed me 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.960 to free up other parts of my life and then 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.640 so solely focused on music. But it was more about 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.560 like the the affirmation and the confidence of like, Okay, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.480 I'm doing something right as an artist, you know, because 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.040 I had I had a couple of songs on hold 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.960 and cut, and I was kind of working on publishing 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.400 deals and stuff, so I had a little bit of 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.960 a snowball going, but it like turned it into like 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.040 a snowman. You know, did you worry you were going 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.560 to get painted into that the YouTube because there are 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.360 YouTube artists and they're just gonna be YouTube artists. For 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.360 the most part, I don't think I was worried. I 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.480 definitely think that's part of the conversation, and that's why 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.800 I was saying, like when you didn't know anything about it, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.120 like I was like totally okay with that. I think 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.680 I wanted to. I know, I wanted to embrace it 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.800 and like be grateful for everything that it brought me. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.600 But I also didn't want it to define me because, 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.880 like I said, I'm not I'm not a cover guy, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.120 Like I just love writing songs. I do it every day, 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.200 not a cover guy. And that went viral. I know, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.640 That's what I'm saying. The fresh thing that ever, which 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.760 maybe tells me that I'm an idiot and I should 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.880 probably do more, but I just right way too much, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.560 like I do it every day, and I you know, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.480 I could probably make two or three other records right 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.080 now other than the one that I have, you know, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.800 that's coming out next year. But it's just like, I 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.240 don't know, It's just was a crazy moment that literally 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.520 was just for nothing else than just friends having fun 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.360 and doing what we do together. And and then Taylor Swift, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.320 you know, appreciating the art of it, I guess, and 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.439 and and giving us a shout out, which is not 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.320 the first time she's done that. She's known for that 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.320 and I still do this day. I haven't met her. Um, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.119 we obviously have some sort of like mutual friends in 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:17.720 the industry, so I got a chance to write her 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.080 an email and stuff and say thanks, but I'd like 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.120 to give her a hug in person and say thanks 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:28.000 for everything one day. You know. So, did that open 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.200 doors for you in town as far as hey, We'd 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.119 like to sign you absolutely. Yeah. Um, was there a 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.720 bidding war on you because of that? I mean, I 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.600 don't know if I would. I mean, yeah, Like, there 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.240 was a lot of there was a lot of interest 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.280 from every side of of every fact all of a 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.440 sudden and everybody unreal, unreal, And I think I think 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.040