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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode three of the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for our sponsoring Blue and Sleep Number, and our

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Speaker 1: guest is Devin Dawson. Hey buddy, I am good. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I just came from the airport, as you see. I

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Speaker 1: got my bags and my guitar. Where were you came from? Chicago?

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Speaker 1: Was supposed to fly in last night, missed my connecting flight,

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Speaker 1: got the hotel, had to get the early flight. It

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Speaker 1: all worked out fine. I'm just like in my airport,

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Speaker 1: get up here and wait, So is it you missed

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Speaker 1: the flight on your own because you were well. I

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Speaker 1: was with my band and uh well my three piece

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Speaker 1: you know we have sometimes we do full band, sometimes

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Speaker 1: we do just acoustic three piece. And we were coming

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Speaker 1: from Fort Wayne and the flight literally like we landed

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Speaker 1: five minutes after our connecting flight. Wasn't to know. It

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Speaker 1: was not my fault. So they got me a hotel

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Speaker 1: and then you had to stay the night that it

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Speaker 1: was you know what, it could be worse, man, but

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Speaker 1: I'm here and I made it, so no complaints. Man.

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Speaker 1: I got my coffee too, so it's all good. What

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Speaker 1: do you drink? Just black iced cough even if it's

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Speaker 1: like negative a million degrees in the winter. Always always

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Speaker 1: iced coffee, but black, always black. Yeah, where'd you grow up? California.

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Speaker 1: Grew up in a town called Orangeville, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of outside of thirty minutes outside of Sacramento. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: northern California, Northern California. Northern cal always say this about

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Speaker 1: Northern California. People always feel like they're more human than

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Speaker 1: the Southern California people. I know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I've ever used the word human more, but like that's

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Speaker 1: a good way to put it. It's it's definitely two

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Speaker 1: different states, you know what I mean. Like I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's just a completely like once you cross over

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Speaker 1: it's just a whole different energy, a whole different ball game.

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Speaker 1: People like look in the eyeballs. In Northern California, it's nice.

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Speaker 1: Southern California people like trying to hand you stuff and

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Speaker 1: trying to always find the angle, which but I get

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Speaker 1: I get it because you kind of have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: you kind of have to play that like puff your

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Nick Jonas says, you know, like he kind

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Speaker 1: of got to like the Nashville is the same way,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like Nashville and l A are the same,

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Speaker 1: I think Nashville is more familiar. It's got more of

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Speaker 1: a camaraderie thing, like we want to we all want

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Speaker 1: to get to the top, right, but we want to

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I feel like Nashville fakes

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Speaker 1: like they want to do it together. Man, I have

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Speaker 1: more I have more faith, I have more positivity. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just because I'm green and wide eyed and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing my thing and I haven't experienced any

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Speaker 1: of that. There are great people. And when I moved town,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not gonna be friends with nobody, like

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Speaker 1: that was gonna be my thing. I'm gonna move to town.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be friends with nobody, and I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: completely objective about everything. And so if something sucks, I

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Speaker 1: it's awesome, I say it's awesome. Which you should, which

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Speaker 1: I should, and I still really try to do. But

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Speaker 1: been hard for me to keep from having friendships. It's

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Speaker 1: other places that you had been, and so you'd kind

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Speaker 1: of maybe gotten used to that stigma and that coming here,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it was gonna be the same. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. I was just like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: not be the voice of the industry, and then I would.

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Speaker 1: Then I became friends with Dirks Past, Eric Passley. Then

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Speaker 1: it's just like you meet good humans, you know, Like,

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Speaker 1: of are. So I'm glad, I'm big fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: Where do we meet? I can tell you this. I

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Speaker 1: was sitting at dinner with Dan, Dan and Shay and

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Speaker 1: it was probably like January of this year, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, what's up with this devon dude? Like,

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Speaker 1: I think told me that he did. You were barking

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Speaker 1: up anybody's tree. And it wasn't even yet a project

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Speaker 1: coming out. I just wanted to because I was curious

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Speaker 1: And I'll get to that in a second. I had

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Speaker 1: no idea that that you did it, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of cool that you didn't no idea. So I'll come

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, let me hear about this guy,

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Speaker 1: because I heard your sound and I would see you

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, that doesn't fit. And I

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Speaker 1: like that things that don't fit always make everything else fit,

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Speaker 1: Like things that don't fit bust in and everything else

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Speaker 1: fits around them if it's if it's really good. And

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Speaker 1: so I've heard you play it and obviously here's a song,

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Speaker 1: remember months ago just being like, this song is so

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Speaker 1: normal that's not country. I bet you got that well,

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Speaker 1: of course. I mean I feel like I feel like

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Speaker 1: how it's influenced them, you know, and like we're all

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Speaker 1: I love, of course, I'll play the rocks. I love

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Speaker 1: People like, hey, so what is country to you? And

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Speaker 1: to me, it's about the authenticity of the lyric more

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Speaker 1: than it is a steel guitar, right, And steel guitars

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Speaker 1: So your brother is in music, he is. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: says separate eggs minels say egg one on the back

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Speaker 1: guys look alike. We look like brothers that just happened

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Speaker 1: bit more he's got a little bit more fair complexion

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Speaker 1: that somebody else would know what to do in your

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00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,680
Speaker 1: shoes be like grabbing on you right there, and it's like, what,

430
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,920
Speaker 1: how do you, at your tender age decide what who's

431
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,879
Speaker 1: really is? As cheesy as it is, dude, just the gut.

432
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 1: The gut is the most powerful thing in the universe.

433
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 1: Whether you're writing songs, whether you're trying to build a team,

434
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 1: whether you're thinking about whether you should go home or

435
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,679
Speaker 1: you should go do this or whatever, just go with

436
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 1: your gut, man. And it's the cheesiest thing in the world.

437
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing that helped me along the way,

438
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: was when I had a lot of decisions and like,

439
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 1: going back to what we said earlier, there's so many

440
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 1: good people in Nashville, Like, how are you supposed to

441
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: choose between the best person in the world and the

442
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 1: other best person in the world. You know, I write

443
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: a book and I was talking about the gut and

444
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,360
Speaker 1: what the gut really is, and we go we say

445
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,879
Speaker 1: gut because it's like, regardless of our brain having eleven ideas.

446
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: It's what we really feel is the right thing, even

447
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 1: though there are other options in way things that weigh.

448
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: And so I read that read this book. It's about

449
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: why the gut is actually the brain, and it's actually

450
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Speaker 1: the part of the brain that you should follow because

451
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 1: is your instinct. Your gut is actually your brain's instinct,

452
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: and your instinct is right. And and they talked to

453
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: all of I give you an example from one of

454
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: the stories they told. They took a piece of art

455
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 1: and I'm total nerds, so allowing me the nerd for something.

456
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 1: They took a piece of art and it had been

457
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 1: in through like twenty conservatories through and they couldn't determine

458
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: if it was real or not, if it was this

459
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: artist had really made it, or if it was a fake.

460
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: And so they took it to all these people and

461
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: these people have spent months with it months months, months,

462
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: and like seventy people had said, no, this is not real.

463
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: People that have spent all this time with it. Then

464
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: they took it to these this other group of you,

465
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: this is an experiment because they knew if it was

466
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Speaker 1: real or not. Then they took it to these other

467
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: people and they were also experts, and they went, just

468
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: give it your gut, and their gut reaction was almost

469
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: that it's real. They just went with the gut. Their

470
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: gut was right, and so they did want experiment and

471
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: it was real. And eighty of the people that just

472
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: want with instinct and gut were right. And the people

473
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: that sit there and looked and thought and kind of wait,

474
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't they were wrong. Then you get in your

475
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: head and then you said, then it was like, always

476
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 1: go with your gut, because even if you're wrong, more

477
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 1: time is than not. Your gut is your brain's first

478
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: instinct of what is right. And so when you say

479
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: going anyway, trust your senses. Like sometimes you're you're looking

480
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: at a picture in your eye knows what compositionally it

481
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: should look like, or you know, you know what smell

482
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: is right whatever. I mean, that's the weirdest example. But

483
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: just trust your senses and go with your gut. It's

484
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: the cheesiest thing in the world. And it's not the

485
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: easiest thing to also follow because it's hard, Like what

486
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: is my gut saying? You know, like your gut saying

487
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to you exactly. That's how

488
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: that's how I now engage. My gut is what's my

489
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: first instinct on this? Yeah, okay, that's my gut and

490
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: that's what I should go in. And funny enough, when

491
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: you when you when you try to deny that or

492
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: you try to go around it, you end up coming

493
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: back to it. Always. It's always that first thought, best

494
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: thought kind of thing where you're like, well, maybe it's this,

495
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: maybe it's this, and then you go through all this

496
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: and then you really zoom out again and you're like, nope,

497
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: it's the first thing. Who's your person, Like who's your confident?

498
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: Your manager? I know how it could be your manager,

499
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: like who is it for you? Or it's like man,

500
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: I need some help, let me lean? Is it another artist?

501
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: Like who is it? Yeah? I mean there's it's hard

502
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: to choose just one person. Um. My manager just inherently

503
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: is a huge confident obviously because he's in everything and

504
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: every day and every hour. His name is Todd Ramy.

505
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: He works with Jason Owen a sandbox and so but

506
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: also I work. I'm really close with everyone on my team,

507
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: like my label Chris Lacey is my A and R

508
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: and S BO. I always call him my Nashville dad

509
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: and I they talk about songs with me. They work

510
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: through lyrics, they work through album artwork. We just worried

511
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: about sequencing and like the sequence that I chose for

512
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: the record wasn't right it like I thought it was.

513
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: And then I then I listened down to Chris Lacey's

514
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: and hers was perfect. You know. It's like I trust everybody,

515
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: like my business manager, if you know. I went to

516
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: I went to Belmont and she said, you know, I

517
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: know you just got signed, but we got to pay

518
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: off these student loans, you know, And I'm like, all right,

519
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: I trust you. Let's do it. You know, like whatever

520
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: it is, like it's in businessman. Is that a weird thing?

521
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: Because listen, I come, all right, come for money. So

522
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know money. I have no education. You have money.

523
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I had to get a business manager. Again.

524
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: It was a gut thing. And I think I think

525
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: going through the motions of writing and meeting people and

526
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: taking meetings and going to lunch, and then like I

527
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: met a lot of these people while I was still

528
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: at Belmont through like uh, you know, internships or or

529
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: convocations where I would meet people and we already had

530
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: a relationship, and then it came time for me to like, Okay,

531
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: I need some help, and I already had people that

532
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: I trusted, um just from a friendship relational side, regardless

533
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: of the business side of it. And I think the

534
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: beauty of a business manager for me is the fact

535
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: that I don't have to worry about any of that,

536
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: and I trust you, and I can really just focus

537
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: again on the art and on the music, and on

538
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: the work, and on the travel and on the plane

539
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this. And again, until recently, I

540
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: didn't know what a business manager was. I'll be honest

541
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: with until I had, until I had to get one.

542
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: But like for me, I have to pay percentages to

543
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Like I have a manager, I

544
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: have an agent. I have to So just to break

545
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: it down, let's say I make ten dollars, Okay, I'll

546
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: go do a stand up shore. I'll make ten dollars. Well,

547
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: my manager is fifting for sent my agent gets ten percent,

548
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: my busines manager gets five percent, and so before you

549
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: know it, there there's thirty percent gone. But instead of

550
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: me having to pay all this stuff, your business manager

551
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: takes care of it. They do taxes, they do all

552
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: of this stuff. What percentages get involved, like I got

553
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on, Yeah, but you

554
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: know what and and and a lot of people. You know,

555
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: you obviously want to get the best deal. You want

556
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 1: to feel like you're getting a good deal. You know,

557
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: even if it's like an eighty thousand dollar car, if

558
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's sixty thousand, you know, it's

559
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: still expensive, but you're feeling like you're getting a good deal.

560
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: So you're like, you know what, I'm into it, you know.

561
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: And I've never been one to be afraid of giving

562
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: up equity for for talent and family and reason, like

563
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't somebody said to me, I don't want to

564
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: be rich alone, you know what I mean, Like, it's

565
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: not really Obviously, this is a music business, so it's

566
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: obviously about financials at the end of the day. But

567
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: it's more about being able to do this for a

568
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: living and be comfortable. And if I could have a

569
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: team and a family around me and we can all

570
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: be successful together, that would be so much more meaningful

571
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: to me than you know, nickel and diming and trying

572
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: to squeeze every little last thing out. You know, I

573
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: just I don't have time to worry about it. Man.

574
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: I just I'm just more worried about music, you know.

575
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: And it's funny you bring up business manager because I'm

576
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: the same way with mine now, Like I'm very close

577
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: to her because I don't know enough about it and

578
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I trust her and I trust that she's going to

579
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: look out for me. Isn't that crazy? That? And I

580
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: never thought even even existed. I didn't even know what

581
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: it was a thing. So I come from you go

582
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: to work, and you work at the mill or you

583
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: do and you just pay your bills. But then I

584
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: trust someone to have access to everything that i'd like,

585
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: and without it I would just be lost. Yeah, I

586
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I think when you go back

587
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: to how do you choose these people? It's again obviously

588
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: a gut thing, but it's like things sift out. The

589
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: gold will find its way out, like the time will

590
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: go by and the energy will happen, and you'll be

591
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: connected to certain people that you should be with. What

592
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: I did, I called so I didn't know anything about it, right,

593
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: I just picked up like literally I just got on

594
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: my computer typed business manager. Yeah, that's literally what I did,

595
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: because I knew nothing about it, and I was sitting

596
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: at home on my on the calculator on my phone

597
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: just figure out how to pay people and want to

598
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: pay people and had to have to pay band members

599
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: for the band, and so I'm doing all and I'm like,

600
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm getting lost. So I asked and say, hey, what

601
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: I do this? He should get a business major. So

602
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I called and I won't say any name, but I called.

603
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: I just look up. First one pops up called say hey,

604
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a business manager. I talked on the

605
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: radio for a living um, and they're like, oh, you know,

606
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: we don't have any room for you, and right now

607
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: we're full, our rosters full. And I was like, okay, great,

608
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: I said. They're like, we'll take your name. Though, I

609
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: was like great, sure um at this point, and listen,

610
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't going in screaming on Bobby Bones. I was like, okay, yeah,

611
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: my name is Bobby Bones. So I should hang up boom.

612
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: Five minutes, I get a call back, Oh, we we

613
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: love her. No. I was like, not gonna do it.

614
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: So then I call another one kind of the same situation.

615
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: You know what, our roster's full, we don't have time

616
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: for Anna for DJ. I call mine now, and I said, hey, listen,

617
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about having a business manager. I've

618
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: never had money. I've never had money. I talked on

619
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: the radio um and they were like, well, what what

620
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: kind of questions do you have? And I was like, okay,

621
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: they're just asking, and so never from mentioned a people

622
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: about it. Then at the end I was like, hey,

623
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: here's the real story, Like I'm a national syndicate radio host,

624
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm a good living I really need help. And so

625
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: after I got a couple of those hey we're fools.

626
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, we're not. I want with

627
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: the person who was like, it doesn't matter to me,

628
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: like what do you what kind of questions do you have?

629
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Let us answer your questions to figure out And for

630
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: me that was and it's not just that I had

631
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: a friend wants This is one of my favorite stories.

632
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: My friend who I played Legion baseball with. So he

633
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: went to different school, but his dad was a doctor

634
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: and his dad wore a pair of old dirty jeans

635
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: and a T shirt. And he would go look at

636
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: schools and school sometimes when they yeah, they show them

637
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: to learned a little bit. And he finally went to

638
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: a school and they they took him around everywhere and

639
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: they didn't care what he looked like. And that's a

640
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: school they moved to and went to. And I was

641
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: like that, And I think that story has kind of

642
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: shaped how I am with people, Like I want to

643
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: give them the lowest possible they and see how they

644
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: respect that. How do you eat your bartender or your

645
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: waiter or when someone's not looked Dude, have you ever

646
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: gone out to eat with somebody that maybe you hadn't

647
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: and then one time like you loved him and they're great,

648
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: and then they treat they treat me like crap. Yeah,

649
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I don't know, right, It's still real.

650
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: I bartended through college and you know, on one hand,

651
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I always expect good service because I come from good service.

652
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean treat somebody like crap, you know

653
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. There's there's a there's a line between

654
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: expecting to be you know, taken care of, and if

655
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you're not, like you know, it's there's other ways to

656
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: deal with it than being a butt head. And I

657
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: waited tables and for me, I wish everybody would have

658
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: to serve, because if everybody had to serve, people would

659
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: treat people differently. But you know, I come from a

660
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: place to where at times it was the kitchen's fault

661
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: and I got in trouble for it. And that rolls

662
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: over into life too. Sometimes if something is wrong here,

663
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: I look at it and go, Okay, maybe it was

664
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: the kid. I'm not talking about what Maybe it was

665
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: the kitchen's fault, right, even though I'm not even it's

666
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: not even about waiting tables anymore. You know, maybe somebody

667
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: rear ended me or maybe something maybe maybe it was

668
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: a kitchen's fault. You know, I tried and to put

669
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: that in them out like things I've learned from other jobs,

670
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: they're actually so much more meat. You can't. Like there's

671
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people that you know, and I am

672
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: also guilty of this in my own right, but skipping steps,

673
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, or or getting certain like positive things that

674
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: happened in their life. And I think these steps are

675
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: so important. Like I was, I was in a band

676
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, all the way through the end

677
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: of high school. You know, garage bands started out playing

678
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: like classic rock, and then through like middle school and

679
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: high school, kept getting angstier and angstier and heavier and heavier.

680
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: And heavier, and by the end of high school we

681
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: were in this very heavy, technical death metal band and

682
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: we've been playing. You know, we've been playing together for

683
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: six years, touring up, calling you cool. It's calling me

684
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: like like seven times in a rows. We're doing it's

685
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: a six one five number, which I always answered, but

686
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: this time they can wait, A know, both of our

687
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: pon like turning it over. You know, I didn't miss

688
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: a beat though, you said, I see, I kept um.

689
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: And so after we you know, we got signed after

690
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: high school and instead of going to college, I toured

691
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: in a metal band for four years after high school,

692
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: which was my dad's like worst nightmare. I mean he

693
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: supported it, obviously, but I just don't think he understood

694
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: it because he he comes from again, no money works

695
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: for everything. You have rax to riches, and that's the

696
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: way he raised my my brother, and I is like,

697
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: no financial help really and you know incentives if you

698
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: get straight a's, you like that kind of thing. And

699
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: and so let me get the start. You went to

700
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: high school, then you went and you toured for years,

701
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: and then you went back to college. Correct, Yeah, so

702
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: I I I was in I think I had a

703
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: week of I was in just community college after you know, local,

704
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: and a week into that we got signed and I said, yeah.

705
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, I'm gonna do this. You know, like,

706
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: on one hand, you have college, which I think is

707
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: very important, But on the other hand, I have this

708
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: dream of mine that's just right here, you know, and

709
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: you can always come back to college, and I did

710
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: and I graduated right. But again, going back to those

711
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: four years of messing up, of doing it all wrong,

712
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: of of learning and having those steps and kicking the

713
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: little hitting my shins on the stairs on the way up,

714
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that has informed now again my

715
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: gut in the way that I choose my team, in

716
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: the way that I'm attracted to certain people and the

717
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: people that I know are right for me. And so

718
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: I always say I'm lucky to have messed up before.

719
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have had a second chance, because I

720
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: feel like that's when you really get to dig in

721
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, I know what's up this time.

722
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about saying I got started

723
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: really early in my career, like I got to started

724
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: a teenager and right now, and which means I got

725
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: to screw up earlier and screwing up earlier allowed me

726
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: to be better later. And I think that was a

727
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: big deal for me, is that since I started, I

728
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: was able to do all my juice up, oh every

729
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: way possible. I mean, when you're sixteen, seventeen years old

730
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to talk a little, it

731
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: took me years to stop doing it. Took me years

732
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: of sucking of not getting ratings, and I'm like, what

733
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: what do I am? I getting ratting zero and kaolas boy,

734
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, welcome to the wacky morning shows,

735
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: and I want even do it mornings. I was doing nights,

736
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, if I can't get ratings, doing

737
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: is absolutely best I can, I might as well not

738
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: get ratings being me. And the once I started to

739
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of be me, they started to go rise up

740
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. One of my favorite quotes and it's

741
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: a John Merrick quote, and I loved your interview with him,

742
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: by the way, A huge fan of his, and he

743
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: says something along the lines of my failure to sound

744
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: like my heroes has allowed me to sound like myself.

745
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: Like you trip along these things that you're imitating along

746
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: the way, and then you finally realize, like Okay, I

747
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: gotta stop pushing so hard and just exist. And it's

748
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: cheesy and it's hippie and all that, you know, but

749
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: like it's so real. Man, I just love those words.

750
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Steve Martin has kind of the same thing where he's like,

751
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, greatness comes from people trying to be like

752
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the people they admire and not being able to and

753
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: in that process, since they can't, they form another way

754
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: and so and and he's talking about comedy and music

755
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: and play yeah anything, like he's really one of the

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Speaker 1: So tell me about this band, this metal band you

781
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: were in. Yeah, so okay, So we had many names

782
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: along the way, but which one got signed got a

783
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: big deal. So we got signed. Well, we changed the

784
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: name because it wasn't working, so we when we got signed,

785
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: it was called Fate. Worst worst name ever. Still have

786
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: the old merchant. Dude, it's the worst thing. I'll bring

787
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: it in f a t E got it. I'll bring

788
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: you a shirt one day. It's just it's ridiculous um

789
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: and then you know, copyright and like trademark issues because

790
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: it was so like there's escaped to fate and then

791
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: there's just a bunch of you know. And so we

792
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: changed it to a band called Shadow of the Colossus,

793
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: which was very that sounds like you're going to stabs epic, right, yeah.

794
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: And I mean we played heavy technical like only beats

795
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: per minute. Like I always say, we were at a

796
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: hundred percent of our capacity a hundred percent of the time.

797
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: And that's what the joy was for us. That's what

798
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: the lure was, is that we're always pushing our limits,

799
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, and and that's kind of this path that

800
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: we were called on, and that was what we used

801
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: to do. So we always kept pushing it, always kept

802
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: pushing it. And we toured for four years. And it

803
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: was one of those things if we started getting success

804
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, you manage people, yeah, let's

805
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: do it. Oh you book people, yeah, oh you're a

806
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: labeled let's do it, like no meetings, really know anything else,

807
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: just like young and dumb and hungry, you know, and

808
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: going for it. And we slummed it out, dude, slum

809
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: to her. And that's what I call it, Like fifteen passion,

810
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: fifteen passenger vans, sleeping in Walmart parking lots uh, eating

811
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: mcdoubles once a day, you know, the whole, the whole thing.

812
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: And I'm again so thankful for it. But in the moment,

813
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to see that that's a good thing for you.

814
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Um But after four years of that, and like the

815
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: whole time I brought an acoustic and I'm writing my

816
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: own songs on the side, literally just for my own

817
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: peace of mind. Was nineteen got my heartbroken for the

818
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: first time needed I'm not a good like in relationships,

819
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I suck at communication. I'm the worst. Like it's just

820
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: this wall where I can't get it out, you know,

821
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: And and and writing a song and like hiding behind

822
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: a guitar, I can say whatever I want some for

823
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: some reason, I can sing it to your face, like

824
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: I don't know why, it's just it's that's the way

825
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: that I can finally get find a way to get

826
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: it out right. And so I just did that on

827
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: the side the whole time in the band. And you know, realize,

828
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I grew, like I said, grew up

829
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: listening to country music and kind of learned how to

830
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: write songs by listening to the way that people set

831
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: their songs up. And so when I started writing on

832
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: my own, that's kind of where I went, just lyrically,

833
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: I guess, maybe not sonically, but it just kind of

834
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: took over more of my heart in a while, like

835
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: the metal kind of started diminishing and it wasn't fulfilling,

836
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: and then the song. Yeah, honestly, I did dude headbanging

837
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: every night, as dumb as it sounds. We used to

838
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: get what I called bangovers, where the next day you

839
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: can't move because your neck is so stiff. Yeah, we

840
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: called him bangovers. It's pretty Did you come up with that?

841
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: You know? We came up with that, dude? I liked it. Okay,

842
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play because I haven't heard this. Here's um

843
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: what's in? Okay? This is a shadow of the coloss

844
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: As a song called Insurgent. Oh my gosh, you have it. Wait,

845
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: who's singing? Okay? So it is our buddy Drew from

846
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: my hometown. Okay, so you weren't even the lead singer. Nope,

847
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: where were you playing? I played bass? So my I

848
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: played bass, my brother played drums. Were the rhythm section twins.

849
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe you pulled that up. It's crazy, man.

850
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, well I bet the crowds were scary. That

851
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: will come to those shows. Unreal, so fun, the funnest

852
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: thing ever. And gosh, I'm probably going to regret this.

853
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: I told I told Tom Pulman this once and he

854
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: will not let it down. We used to like I

855
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: used to. I used to spit on people like they

856
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: would love it, Like we'd be up there just like

857
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. It was like what

858
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: are we doing? I'm looking back, like like was all underground,

859
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Like we didn't release through iTunes, we did only did

860
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: bands uh was it band camp or whatever? The reps

861
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: like it was all underground all like d I y

862
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: like for a reason, like we were we're just like

863
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: against the man people time. Dude, it was so bad

864
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: and like what a band like this get girls though

865
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like a bunch of it's a lot of dudes. Yeah,

866
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean you'd be surprised, like there's it's a it's

867
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: an age thing. It's a culture pop is what I

868
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: like to call it. It's like, you know, like I said,

869
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you're going through high school. You're trying to make sense

870
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: of all these kind of angsty kind of feelings and

871
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out who you are, and there's

872
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: like that. You would be surprised, Like there was a

873
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: huge uh scene for it in my in my hometown,

874
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: and there's you know everything everybody in between. Man, you know,

875
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised. Um, and this comes out of you

876
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: right here. You call made of the spectrum. But that's

877
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: the thing, and that's really my heart, the biggest it's

878
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: not even hurdle anymore. Can I just kick it down?

879
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: When I moved here, it was you can't do this

880
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: because you have too many other interests. But it's like,

881
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: pick up anybody's freaking phone. Look at the music that

882
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: people are streaming buying what nobody has one format of

883
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: music and it's not what people want. Even the artists,

884
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: all the artists that come through here, there are influences.

885
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: Aren't just all country music artists, And you know what,

886
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: it's probably some most, but a lot of them. And

887
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: it's the artist now who are who are getting a

888
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: lot of pushback, but they're having a huge amount of

889
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: success because that's what today's country is like. Look at

890
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: look at TRS Thomas Schrtz last record. If there's dance

891
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: tracks on there, there's like do wop something, straight country songs,

892
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: Mary that is just straight up country songs, the country songs.

893
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: But it's not even the fact of each of those individually.

894
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: It's the fact that he is a country music listener

895
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: and artists. But even he's like, I have these other

896
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: influence course, and this is what country music is to me.

897
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that because people like him have a platform,

898
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: they have a voice, they have power to influence and

899
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: and kind of not make it easier but pave the

900
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: way for the rest of us. And not like I'm

901
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: doing anything that I'm not like, I'm I'm always going

902
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: to be unapologetically wholeheartedly me. Like there's songs on this

903
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: record that tap into the heavier side of me, and

904
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: it's like, this is this is just what I do,

905
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: like just trying to, you know, fail being like my

906
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: heroes and just figure out what my influences are and

907
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: then just put every little piece of every little corner

908
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: in my heart in my mind on this record, you know.

909
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: And it's like that's just what you should do. That's

910
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: what your job is as an artist, you know. Blind

911
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: Man Flower. This is the first song I ever released

912
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: as a as a solo artist. Ye, what was my

913
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: buddy Andy Albert? Was it? Since that was your first

914
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: song insult? It was that weird. It was such sonically different. Well,

915
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: that was maybe three three years into living in Nashville,

916
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: so I had already are you in the culture then, right,

917
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: you know? And I, you know, I'd put up like

918
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: stuff on SoundCloud and like made videos and like people knew.

919
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: And it's like people will always ask, like, how do

920
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you go from such heavy metal to country or to

921
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: writing these love songs? And it was really about just

922
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: reverting back to what I started with, you know, and

923
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: what felt right in my heart or just what was

924
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: just like what came out naturally. Um. And so blind

925
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Man was the first song. You know, as you're developing

926
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: through writing and through writing for other people and you

927
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: get a publishing deal and you're playing shows and you're

928
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: figuring out who you are, there's certain songs that come

929
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: along that define who you are and what you want

930
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: to say. And that was one of the first ones

931
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: that I was like, that is me. That's got a

932
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: rock solid lyric, it's got this really cool vibe. The

933
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: melodies you can sing along too, and it means something

934
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: like lyrically, I need to sing about something I can't.

935
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: I just I need to chew on something like I

936
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: am so guilty of not having like woe wos in

937
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: my song, just because like if I have real estate,

938
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: I need to say I have to say something, you know.

939
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: And that was one of the first songs that came

940
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: out where I was like, let's record it, let's put

941
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: it out, like that's what I want people to That's

942
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: what I want people to hear. Are you stilding the

943
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: all black and white stuff all time? Always? Yeah? Well

944
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: you mean eventually you're gonna have to not do that? Well,

945
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, we'll see. We'll see what happens forever.

946
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: Just go all black and white on Instagram. I bet

947
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: you I can, but you eventually you're going to be

948
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: like I've done one. So listen, I'm that's the that's

949
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: the thing that I've talked about with a couple people.

950
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: It won't happen forever, but when it doesn't, tell me

951
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: why you decided to go all black and white? Okay.

952
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like one day I woke up and

953
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what I'm gonna do this,

954
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: This is my brand, this is who I am. It

955
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: really was like this, like somebody was tugging on my

956
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: on my collar, like I would buy clothes like I

957
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: wear black all black two and it's just like I

958
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: would buy grays and greens in earth tones or what.

959
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I just would never wear them like I would put

960
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: it on. It's like it doesn't look right. And I

961
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of just gave into it one day over time.

962
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of influences from being in

963
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: a metal band, because obviously we all really wear black,

964
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that's kind of the root of that

965
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of visual or that esthetic in a way, and

966
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: so that's kind of part of that influence. But also,

967
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: and this is something that I only stumbled on recently

968
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: because you're so close to it when you grew up.

969
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: And this might sound done, but I grew up three

970
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: minutes from fulsome prison. I love Johnny Cash and his

971
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: artistry in the way that nobody sounded like him before him,

972
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: and nobody will ever sound like him after him. But

973
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: he just had a way of doing his thing. And

974
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of literally right, three minutes

975
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: from my three minutes from my house, and I feel

976
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: like subconsciously that kind of seeped in to my influence,

977
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: even though I didn't know really how cool that was

978
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: until I flew until I moved away, and you kind

979
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: of finally get some perspective. Um, but something in between

980
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: those and it just feels right, dude. I just like

981
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: that kind of classic vibe that it, that it gives off.

982
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Like I could see a picture in color and then

983
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I'll put it in black and white when I'm editing

984
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, that looks right. Like

985
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: I've tried, Like We've had stylists and photo shoots like

986
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: what about red? What about a white shirt? And I'm

987
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: like I'll try it, you know, and like everyone goes,

988
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: we get him back it's like it doesn't look right,

989
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm just kind of going with my gut.

990
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think one day I

991
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: would like to do something different. But I would hope

992
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: that because I've set such a deep root in my

993
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: love for that aesthetic, that it should mean something. It

994
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: should be for a reason, um, not to like set

995
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: it up or anything, but different record or different move

996
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: or different story, whatever it is, you know, for do

997
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: it for a reason, not just to not do it anymore.

998
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I phone black, I you're gonna

999
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: get the new It depends. People listen these things two

1000
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: years after, But are you getting the eight or the tin? Honestly,

1001
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: waiting the ten scares me, dude, because you're the face.

1002
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I just I don't know. Like, do

1003
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: you snapchat? I don't snapchat much. I'm mostly on Instagram.

1004
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: That's my That's my biggest thing. Do you ever use

1005
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: face filters on inst your story? Yeah? See, okay, so

1006
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I do love the face filters. That is the same thing.

1007
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: If the government's stealing or using our partial recognition they

1008
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: already got. I was gonna say, we're already a foot

1009
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: in the door, like it's already now. It's like it's

1010
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: just hook line and sinker at this point. It's just

1011
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be fine with it. It's just the

1012
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: initial like feeling that I got when I saw the videos.

1013
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like that makes me cringe. Man, Like I

1014
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: think about the thumb print whenever that first. The same thing. Yeah,

1015
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: if you don't do it, they don't care what you

1016
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: are you going to get it? Of course I'm going

1017
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: to get it. I'm probably gonna get it, of course,

1018
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna for different reasons. What do you have you

1019
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: updated dropping system? No, I haven't. I suck at it.

1020
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: It's fantastically even the texting, Yeah, all the little options

1021
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: on the I'm like, you can send song. I mean,

1022
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: the updates really great. But you strike him as a

1023
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: real tech savvy guy. I'm decent um. I'm not like,

1024
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm not like a dive in deep nerd tech savvy guy,

1025
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: but I can. I can get by man, but actually

1026
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: a big Lord of the Rings nerd. Though, yes, how

1027
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: did you know that? Are we talking about now? I

1028
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: don't think so. Here's my story. I watched Lord of

1029
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: the Ring because I was like, Okay, there's gotta be

1030
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: something to this, because like reality, you mean, or like

1031
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: but I look at IMDb or like a run and

1032
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I believe that if a lot of people say something's good,

1033
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: then it's probably pretty good. Like I believe that I've

1034
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: never seen episode of Sopranos, but I believe probably freaking

1035
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: really good show because not that many people will say

1036
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: it's good, it's not. It sounds like I gotta watch

1037
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings because there's something to it

1038
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: and I want one Christmas vacation. I watched all of them.

1039
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: It was okay, like what I know, and I'm not

1040
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: even to be a hater, but you know, it's okay,

1041
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: like you're either there's I'm just two tests with people,

1042
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: like I know. I did not like it. I did

1043
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: not like it at all. Yeah, I'm gonna do it.

1044
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Pissed me off. Was at the end of the first one.

1045
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: They're just they're just they're just beginning, and I was like,

1046
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I just watched it for three and it ends up

1047
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: walking up a hill. But I watched them all and

1048
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a hater of it at all because I

1049
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: love when people are passionate about something that's not hurting

1050
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, I don't care what you're passionate about,

1051
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: if you like love my Little Pony or fancy football

1052
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: or Lord of the Rings, if it's not hurting anybody.

1053
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: I love just passion. So it's in no way that

1054
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: But I was like, what am I missing because I

1055
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: watched all of it? Due to me, it was it

1056
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: was the imagination of it, like he literally created his

1057
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: own language, like Jared Tolkien, like literally created his own language,

1058
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: like just stop there, like you're a beast already, like

1059
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: and then creating these stories and and and a world

1060
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: in a map, and like I'm getting really nerdy, but

1061
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: like it's just it's this kind of again, this kind

1062
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: of dark aesthetic that I just am always drawn to

1063
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: in the storyline and not not just giving it away,

1064
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Like you gotta spend three movies. You got to spend

1065
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: three hours just getting introd into the people, you know,

1066
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: three hours each time? Oh my god, I don't know.

1067
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: And I always always go back and forth on which

1068
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: one is my favorite, because they each have their own

1069
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Like the second one, the Two Towers, is the darkest

1070
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: of them, like it's the most kind of sinister, but

1071
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: the third one is just so epic with the battle scenes.

1072
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm I will go into deep into this if

1073
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: you what about because I love Game of Thrones. I'm

1074
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: not against I'm not against fantasy in any way whatsoever.

1075
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: I watched that and thought it was fine. I was

1076
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: just like I was missing it felt like I was missing.

1077
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: The rings was a little it's a little slow. It's

1078
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: a little it's a little born. You gotta be kidding me,

1079
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: you're telling me, Laura, And I watched nine hours and

1080
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: they didn't walking at the end. I just like, I

1081
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: don't know, I just love it, man, I just like

1082
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: sunk right into it. I think like Lord of the

1083
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: Rings that much of the game. Okay, so you're talking

1084
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: about like going on Rotten Tomatoes and seeing something that

1085
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: everyone's watching and like love Game of Throne. Honestly, I

1086
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: thought it was good. I just don't have I don't

1087
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: have time. And if you don't keep up, if you're

1088
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: not where ever went to. Yes, I just like I've

1089
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: seen like one of the first one of the like,

1090
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: and I just like, there's no way, there's absolutely no way.

1091
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: That's such a daunting task for me to try to

1092
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: to like accomplished watching that whole thing, Like there's when

1093
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: when am I going to do that? There's no way

1094
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: how I do it. You don't even sleep, you down

1095
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: me either. But I'm on a bus or I'm on

1096
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: a freaking airplane all the time. And that's why I do.

1097
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: I just download and watch if I can see. I

1098
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: have a rare gift of being able to sleep on airplanes,

1099
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: and so that's when I sleep, like I I will

1100
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I'll sleep two hours a night or whatever and go

1101
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: out and make it sure I'm doing my thing and

1102
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: then I'll get on an airplane and pass out. So

1103
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: that's when I when I should be watching movies is

1104
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: when I'm sleeping. So so what's your deal? And again,

1105
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: these things are not you know, podcasts are done and

1106
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: they're heard over months and months, so it's probably gonna

1107
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: be an old question by the time a lot of

1108
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: good hear this. So like, what's the deal with with music?

1109
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: And like, when are you gonna put out a whole

1110
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: bunch of it? Yeah, I mean, dude, I'm I'm chomping

1111
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: at the bit, man, I'm so stoked. Um. So we

1112
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: have three songs out right now, UM, one single on

1113
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: the radio which is an insane sentence that will never

1114
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: get old. UM. And I think we planned to release

1115
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: three more before the record comes out. UM, can't give

1116
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: you the exact date yet, but it's going to be

1117
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: in January. So cool. So early next year, early next year,

1118
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: which is great because it's I always like starting off

1119
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: a year like that. Just we all kind of go

1120
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: away for the Christmas and Hanuker or whatever you do

1121
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: and and Thanksgiving and you kind of come back and

1122
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: you're just ready for something, you know, and what's upbout

1123
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: the Z by the way, because I look at your

1124
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: name and it's always the Z Devin search for it.

1125
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: I can't. Why can I happen? So mckittye, like he

1126
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: always calls people by their like their handle, and he

1127
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: always calls me at Z Devon, so I always call

1128
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: him Ryan mcradio but um or Mr Bobby Bones, you know.

1129
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: But okay, So I was in middle school and like

1130
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: back when you create, like your A O L, like

1131
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: bass player, A eight, like atl dot com or whatever,

1132
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: like all of those handles that you just regret. Ever

1133
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: making for some reason, convinced people that for a couple

1134
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: of weeks that my name started with the Z, that

1135
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: it was just silent, and so I had to I

1136
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: had to back it up with the with the handle,

1137
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and it just stuck.

1138
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: And I've never It's just like a two week little thing,

1139
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: and I've never changed it. In in the beginning of

1140
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: like getting signed and trying to like putting put my

1141
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: music out and my image and my name and all

1142
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: that stuff, they were like, we really, we really need

1143
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: to change it to Devin Dawson or Devin Dawson music.

1144
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: And I was like nope, keeping it Like there's there's

1145
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: I trust a lot of my team, like I said,

1146
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: but there's certain things where I'll be a difficult artist.

1147
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't care, like if it feels right, and the

1148
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: thing you want to be difficult about is the z

1149
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: it's it's it's petty. Sometimes there's guy for guys that's

1150
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: keeping yeah, and that's like I've had a couple of

1151
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: people be like what is that and I'm like, honestly,

1152
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: it's the dumbest thing, but like I just love it, man,

1153
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: and like you know, bad girl re re Like not

1154
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: everyone is Rihanna music or Bobby Bones radio whatever. Some

1155
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: guys squatted it and holds it. Yeah, that's that's rough. Man.

1156
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: Does anyone have just Devin Dawson? Yes, they do. And

1157
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: I remember I remember messaging him like dude, like send

1158
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: you a twelve pack of beer or something. I didn't

1159
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: even offer money. I was like, dude, what's I tried

1160
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: to do the broer out, like what's up, dude? Like

1161
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: dig your name man, you know, like is it really

1162
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: someone named Devin Dawson or they it's it's it was

1163
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: him before and he doesn't even like post. You know,

1164
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: it's one of those like hasn't gone on in two years,

1165
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: but like won't let it go, and so I it

1166
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: was another one of those like signs of like I'm

1167
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: keeping my thing, like I'm doing I'm staying true and

1168
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, at the very least, it's it's kind

1169
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: of something funny to talk about and it makes me laugh.

1170
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: So dude, I PRETI you come and by feel like

1171
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been an hour an hour into this, Dude,

1172
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: we could do this forever. You still get excited when

1173
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: you hear it. Dude, it will never get older. And

1174
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's how you should choose songs where

1175
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: every single time you hear it for hopefully fifty years,

1176
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: it will never it will never deminish. That's what everybody

1177
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: says until they get tired of playing it. Like I

1178
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: feel like Paul McCartney probably is good and playing help yeah,

1179
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: probably doesn't want to play Hey, Jude more, probably good,

1180
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: But dude, I don't know, like you can only do

1181
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: so much, you know what I mean, And you can

1182
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: only like you gotta choose based on what you think

1183
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: is going to last and hold up and if if

1184
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: that one finally after twenty years gets old to you,

1185
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: then the one that probably would have just lasted fifteen.

1186
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta you gotta put your best foot forward.

1187
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: And I think the hardest part as a songwriter is

1188
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: the fact that I write every day and that's probably

1189
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: a two year old, two and a half year old

1190
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: song at this point, and it still feels good, you know.

1191
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: But I'm just like stoked on just putting new music

1192
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: out man, So well, thanks stopping by dude, Devin Dawson,

1193
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: check out all on Me or maybe if you're hearing

1194
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: this epiod first of the year by the record. The

1195
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: whole record is fantastic. I already downloaded it right right, yea, yeah, yeah,

1196
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: we'll play cool act. I believe it. Yeah yeah yeah yeah,

1197
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see you, uh next time is alright,