1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: with you and Senator We've got a lot to talk 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: about tonight, including some big news that Donald Trump has 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: announced a twenty five percent tariff on imported cars. We're 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: gonna deal with that, but also some other things as well. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: Well. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about tariff's number one, we're gonna talk 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: about terrorists, number two, Prohamas radicals being deported, having the 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: student visas revoked, and we're gonna talk number three about 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: massive foreign money flooding into our universities. All of that 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: we're gonna break down on today's podcast. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. So let's 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: start with the tariffs. And Donald Trump has come out 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: he has announced his twenty five percent tariff on import cars, 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: and the President announcing it said he believes this is 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: the beginning of liberation Day in America. Here's the President 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: in his own words. 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: So this is the beginning of liberation Day in America. 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: We're going to take back just some of the money 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 4: that has been taken from us by people sitting behind 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 4: this desk or another desk that's not quite as nice, 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 4: but they have their choice of seven, as you know, 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: and we're going to charge countries for doing business in 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: our country and taking our jobs, taking our wealth, taking 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: a lot of things that they've been taken over the years. 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 4: They've taken so much out of our country. Friend and foe, 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 4: and frankly, Friend has been oftentimes much worse than foe. 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: And this is very modest. What we're going to be 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: doing is a twenty five percent tariff on all cars 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: that are not made in the United States. If they're 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: made in the United States, is absolutely not terror. We 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 4: start off with a two and a hared percent base, 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: which is what we were at, and we go to 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: twenty five percent. And basically, as you know, and as 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: you've been seeing not reporting as accurately as it should 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: be reported, because it's a massive story, business is coming 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: back to the United States so that they don't have 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: to pay tariffs. And I think also because of November fifth, 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: the election, they're very happy. 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Now that's the President talking in the Oval office about this, Senator, 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: And look, tariffs can be very complicated. This is something 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are going to hear and say, good, 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: we're leveling the playing field. But they can also be 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: very complicated, and there's a lot that we're dealing with 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: now in this country with tariffs. So I want you 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: to break it down for people, say, understand, some of 47 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: these tariffs have been a straight up just strategy from 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: the President to get leverage and to lect countries or 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: they can't keep treating us the way that they are. 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: We've seen that with Canada, We've seen that with Mexico. 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: These are a little bit more complicated and complex. 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: Well, listen, President Trump uses tariffs for multiple purposes. One purpose, 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: he uses them for his leverage to incentivize foreign countries 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: to do things that are in America's interest. The easiest 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: example of this is the threatened tariffs against Mexico and Canada, 56 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: where the President has threatened twenty five percent tariffs against 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: Mexico and Canada unless and until they actively and aggressively 58 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: help us secure our borders. Now, I got to tell 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: you ben On that I emphatically support President Trump. There 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: is no greater mandate that came out of the November election. 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: Then we must secure our borders. And I got to say, 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: in the first Trump administration, the President used the threat 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: of tariffs against Mexico, a twenty five percent tariff. He 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 3: threatened to get Mexico to make enormous concessions on border security. 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: Mexico ended up caving and the government of Mexico Amlo, 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: who is the President of Mexico, assigned six thousand Mexican 67 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: soldiers to their southern border. The Mexican southern border is 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: much smaller than our southern border because it obviously it 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: constricts into an isthmus. And they put six thousand soldiers 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: on their southern border, and they adopted the remain in 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: Mexico policy. So the remain in Mexico policy was amazingly, 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: tremendously successful. It produced the lowest rate of illegal immigration 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: in forty five years. 74 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: So when it comes to using. 75 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: The thread of tariffs or tariffs as a avenue of leverage, 76 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: especially for something like securing the border, I am emphatically 77 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: in sport of it. By the way, we did an 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: earlier podcast where when the nation of Colombia earlier in 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: the Trump administration refused to accept illegal immigrants coming back, 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 3: Trump immediately threatened tariffs against them, and Colombia cratered within 81 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: hours that they just surrendered and said, okay, we'll take 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: them back. So I'm all for tariffs's leverage to get 83 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: positive foreign policy concessions from other countries. 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the twenty five percent on the 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: cars and how this kind of got started from a 86 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: political standpoint, explained to the American people why this is 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: a strategy that could work. But also it is very complicated. 88 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: So, Ben, there's a second component of President Trump's tariff approach, 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: which is he genuinely loves tariffs. We've all heard him 90 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: rhapsodize at length where he said tariff is the most 91 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: beautiful word in the English language. And I got to say, 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: of every view President Trump has ever had, this is 93 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: the most consistent policy view of his entire life. If 94 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: you go back to the nineteen eighties when Ronald Reagan 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: was president, Donald J. Trump was calling for we need 96 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: more tariffs on foreign goods. 97 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: He believes this. 98 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: I have sat with Donald Trump over and over and 99 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: over again, and he goes on at great length about 100 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: how tariffs are wonderful, how they're going to raise hundreds 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: of billions of dollars. He goes on about how when 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: William McKinley was president, the economy was great. As you're 103 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: just played. He goes on saying it's the golden age 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: of America. Before we had an income tax, we got 105 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: our revenue from tariff's. Now, I will say on that front, 106 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: I've urged the President two things. Number One, I've urged 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: President Trump focus on China. I believe China is the 108 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: single greatest geopolitical threat to the United States for the 109 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: next one hundred years. 110 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: So tariffs are. 111 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: A great tool, a powerful tool, and everything we can 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: do to delink our economy from China is a good thing. 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: Everything we can do to on shore to bring manufacturing 114 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: back from China to the United States is a good thing. 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: Everything we can do to nearshore to bring manufacturing back 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: from China to countries near America, that is a good thing. 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: So that's number one on what I've urged. The second 118 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: thing I've urged the President to do is focus on reciprocity. Now, Ben, 119 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: why am I focused on reciprocity. Listen, I believe in 120 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: free trade, and well, by. 121 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: The way, for people that are new, maybe they don't 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: know what is your definition of free trade, so that 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: they understand that, because there's people that have bastardized free 124 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: trade over the last twenty years to mean a lot 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: of different things. 126 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: So look, as an economic matter, I believe America prospers 127 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: and does well when we can export our crops, our livestock, 128 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: our goods, our services into other nations. I think we 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: are the greatest producing nation. We are the greatest economic 130 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: power on the face of the planet. And when we 131 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: can open up foreign markets to American exports, we do fantastic. 132 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: American farmers and ranchers do great when foreign markets are 133 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 3: opened up, and their enormous benefits. Now, what I've verged 134 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: the President to do is focus on the principle of reciprocity. 135 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: What do I mean by reciprocity. I mean by reciprocity 136 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: that we should adopt tariffs that mirror the tariffs other 137 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: countries apply to us. Why is it that I'm advocating 138 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: for reciprocity because since I believe in free trade, I 139 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: think it is better economically for America to embrace free trade. 140 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: Reciprocity puts a downward ratchet on our tariffs because if 141 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: the Trump administration imposes tariffs against foreign nations, there is 142 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: an easy avenue for those foreign nations to lower the tariffs. 143 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: And the way they can do so is lower their 144 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: own tariffs against American goods. So I can tell you 145 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: in the last two weeks, the CEO of a major 146 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: European car company was meeting with me and they're very dismayed. 147 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: They're very concerned about tariffs being imposed against them. And 148 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: I can tell you that this European CEO is advocating 149 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 3: Europe we will zero out our tariffs on American cars. 150 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: Right now, Europe has significant tariffs on American cars. The 151 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: CEO is advocating we'll drop those to zero if America 152 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: doesn't hammer us with tariffs on importing cars to the 153 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: United States. That's a great outcome. I want to see 154 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: foreign countries lower their tariffs on American goods, so that's 155 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: a great outcome. I will say, Ben, it is clear 156 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: the President likes tariffs. He describes when you sit down 157 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time with the President. When 158 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: you sit down with him in person, he will go 159 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: on sometime for hours at length about how tariffs will 160 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: generate hundreds of billions of dollars, how they're terrific for 161 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,119 Speaker 3: the American economy. I don't want to see a situation 162 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: where it is a major feature of the long term 163 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 3: economic picture of America that we have big tariffs in place. 164 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: And here's why who pays tariffs. The American consumer pays tariffs. 165 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: If there are major tariffs on imported goods, it means 166 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: if you go and buy them, you pay a much 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: much higher price. And so I would rather see a scenario. 168 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: I prefer lower taxes to higher taxes. I would rather 169 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: see a scenario where we are not imposing big tariffs, 170 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: but at the same time foreign countries are lower their 171 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: tariffs so we can export more. So I am emphatically 172 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: on board with Donald Trump using tariffs' as leverage. I 173 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: have concerns and I think it would be harmful to 174 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 3: Texas in the country if tariffs become a persistent feature 175 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: of our economic policy nationally. 176 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: So this is one of those where it's also if 177 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: you're a business person, you and your manufacturer, you want 178 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: there to be some stability in the market. What am 179 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: I dealing with? 180 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: What does the future look like for me? 181 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: And so if you're planning, I think, if I'm reading 182 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: this correctly, you're saying this is probably going to be 183 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: a part of his policy for quite some time. This 184 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: isn't going to be a blip on the screen the 185 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: way that you described it. And that may be why 186 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: so many are so concerned. 187 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: Right, So, the single most frequent question I get from 188 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: business leaders in Texas and from bus leaders nationally. And 189 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: I meet with business leaders literally every single day. That's 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: a big part of the job of being in the 191 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: Senate is you meet with leaders from your state across 192 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: the country. The most frequent question I get is what's 193 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: going to happen on tariffs? What's going to happen on trade? 194 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: And I genuinely don't know. But look, all right, Ben, 195 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: you're a fancy schmancy radio host, your you know, big 196 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: national guy lots. So you drive a Porsche pan America. 197 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: Really cool ass car. Like, by the way, your steering 198 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: wheel is like really antique wood, which is cool looking. 199 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: It's the best part of the car. And I'm not 200 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna lie, it's like it is nice. 201 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: I agree. 202 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: Now, the last I checked, Porsche's made in Germany. Yes, 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: today the President announced a twenty five percent tariff on 204 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: foreign made cars. That means if you bought that car tomorrow, you, 205 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 3: Ben Ferguson, would pay twenty five percent more for the 206 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: same car you have right now. 207 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: That's meaningful, Yeah, it's meaningful. And what it makes in 208 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: the reality is for many people they'd say, all right, well, 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to spend the twenty five percent premium 210 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: on that car. 211 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: And listen, I will say, there's there's an economic matter 212 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: when it comes to imposing tariffs to block imports. A 213 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 3: lot of nations do that, and there's an economic school 214 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: of thought called public choice theory, which examines how political 215 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: decisions are made based on economics. And one of the 216 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: consequences of tariffs is you have concentrated benefits. So there 217 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 3: are industries and jobs that benefit and do great, and 218 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: they're very enthusiastic, and then you have diffuse harms. So 219 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: frequently with tariffs, if you put tariffs and you protect 220 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: jobs at home, if you look as a matter of economics, 221 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: the benefits are in the aggregate much smaller than the harms, 222 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: but the benefits are concentrated. So the people who are 223 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: getting it are really energized, they care a lot about it, 224 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: whereas the people that are being harmed it is more abstract, 225 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: They're less energized, they're less focused on it. I believe 226 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: America has benefited enormously from exporting our goods and services. 227 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: If you talk to any farmer and Rancher, the benefits 228 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: of exporting to foreign markets are massive. If you talk 229 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: to American manufacturers, the benefits of exporting to foreign markets 230 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 3: are massive. And so I don't want to see a 231 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: scenario where every country is putting massive tariffs on imports 232 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: from other countries, because it will hurt American exports significantly 233 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: and it will raise prices for American consumers. That being said, 234 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 3: if the President employs these tariffs in the way I'm suggesting, 235 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: which is focused on reciprocity, then they can be a 236 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: powerful tool for lowering the tariffs other countries impose and 237 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: expanding trade, expanding what we sell abroad, expanding American business, 238 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: expanding jobs, and lowering prices for American consumers. I think 239 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: that is a much better outcome. 240 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: I want to move on to the corruption of academia, 241 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: and we are now saying that three hundred Prohamas protests 242 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: got visas protesters, they got visas revoked, and this was 243 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: certainly a big deal. Marco Rubio talking about it, making 244 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: it a clear that, hey, we promised you that if 245 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: you're here on a visa and it's a privilege to 246 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: be here, and you are cheering on the terraces and 247 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: you're hurting your campus or this country. You're anti American. 248 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: We don't have to put up with it. I love 249 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: this your. 250 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: Reaction, Amen, hell olujah. And look, this is something we've 251 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: talked about on Verdict quite a bit. The First Amendment 252 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: protects American citizen. So if you're an American citizen, you 253 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: have a constitutional right to espouse the most hateful, horrible, 254 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: terrible ideas. American citizen has a First Amendment right to 255 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: advocate for being a Nazi, to advocate for being a clansman. 256 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: By the way, if you do advocate for being a 257 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: Nazi or clansman, the rest of us have a moral 258 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: obligation to say, you're a reprehensible bigot and what you're 259 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: saying is evil, but you have a right to say it. 260 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: But the First Amendment does not apply to foreigners. It 261 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: applies to Americans. And when it comes to student visas, 262 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: foreigners that are getting student visas, they're asking for permission 263 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: from the federal government to come study in America. They 264 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: don't have a First Amendment right. And we have no obligation, 265 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: no legal obligation, no moral obligation, no obligation under anything. 266 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: I can imagine to let people in who hate America, 267 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: who are undermining America, who are attacking Jewish students or 268 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: other students at campus, who are spreading poison. And so 269 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: the story broke this week that three hundred student visas 270 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: have been revoked by the way, under Joe Biden, when 271 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: we had viciously anti Semitic, anti Israel, anti American protests 272 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: on college campuses, to the best of my knowledge, zero 273 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: student visas were revoked. And in fact, the Democrats they 274 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: support the Prohamas protesters. Well, Trump being elected, and this 275 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: is something I predicted before the election. This is something 276 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: I said right after the election. You are going to 277 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: see the radical anti American zealots. You're going to see 278 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: them arrested and deported. Well, well that is happening. Three 279 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: hundred student visas have been revoked. And here's what Secretary 280 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: of State Mark or Rubio said. Quote, if you apply 281 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: for a visa to enter the United States and be 282 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: a student, and you tell us that the reason why 283 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: you're coming to the United States is not just because 284 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: you want to write op eds, but because you want 285 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: to participate in movements that are involved in doing things 286 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus. 287 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: We're not going to give you a visa. 288 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: If you lie to us and get a visa and 289 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: then enter the United States and with that visa participate 290 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: in that sort of activity, We're going to take away 291 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: your visa. And Secretary Rubio continued, you're no longer legally 292 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: in the United States, and we have a right, like 293 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: every country in the world has a right to remove 294 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: you from our country. Amen, hallelujah. And you gotta ask 295 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: yourself why didn't this happen even once under Joe Biden. 296 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: Well, you also look at what we found out about 297 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: some of the people that are getting arrested. A great 298 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: example of that is this Tofts University graduate student from 299 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: Turkey was arrested by Ice agents on the street in Massachusetts. 300 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: The liberals are losing their minds, like this is so unfair. 301 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: Should have not been arrested? How dare you target this student? 302 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: But according to the Department of Home in Security, the 303 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: woman was arrested for quote glorifying and supporting terrorists and 304 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: for showing support for a terrorist organization Hamas, the Palestinian 305 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: political party and militant group so they're like, you can 306 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: be set all you want to. We're not putting up 307 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: with this and it shouldn't be happening in America. 308 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: Look, if you are a foreigner and you're saying I 309 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: love Hamas, if you're a foreigner and you're saying I 310 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: hate America, if you're a foreigner and saying I support 311 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: the enemies of America, we have no obligation to admit 312 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: you to our country. We have no obligation to let 313 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: you stay here, and no legal obligation, no more obligation. 314 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: And what is bizarre as the Trump administration is saying, 315 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: all right, these radicals that hate America, that are attacking 316 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: and threatening violence against Jewish students, that are demonizing Israel, 317 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: that are demonizing America, that are praising Amas. And by 318 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 3: the way, look, let's be clear, Hamas are vicious terrorists 319 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: that want to murder you. Are you if you're an American? 320 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: And I think most of the people listening to this 321 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: podcast are Americans. Understand Hamas wants to murder. You understand 322 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: Hamas on October seventh, carried out the mass murder of 323 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: twelve hundred civilians. They raped women and little girls, and 324 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: these radicals are praising child rapists. You know what, if 325 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: you're praising child rapists, if you're supporting child rapists, get 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: the hell out of our country. 327 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: Now. 328 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: Look, if you're a US citizen, we can't throw you out, 329 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: But if you're not, if you're a foreigner, we have 330 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: no reason to let you in here. And this is 331 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: exactly right, and Benen is amazing. Democrats given a choice, 332 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: do you support protecting Americans, protecting Israel, protecting Jewish students 333 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: at schools, or do you support the radical anti Israel, 334 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 3: anti American pro Hamas zell It, they are choosing the 335 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: violent anti American protesters. They are standing up and saying, 336 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: deport nobody. We don't care if you are a radical 337 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: pro Hamas supporter, we want you in America. I got 338 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: to say, I don't know any rational or normal American 339 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: that wants pro Hamas supporters in America. 340 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: Let's give a perfect example of this. University of Alabama 341 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: a doctoral student that was arrested. An Iranian student who 342 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: was studying at the University of Alabama was arrested by 343 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: Ice agents. 344 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: Quote. 345 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: The University of Alabama recently learned that a doctoral student 346 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: had been detained off campus by federal immigration authorities, the 347 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: school said, and statement, federal privacy laws limit what we 348 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: can share about an individual student. International students are quote 349 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: valued members of the campus community of the university. Added 350 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: The student newspaper said that called the crimson White identified 351 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: the man arrested who was in the United States on 352 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: a student visa, saying quote, it's unclear what charges he's facing, 353 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: why he was attained, or if he has a lawyer. 354 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: But here's what they did report, and this part really 355 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: made me laugh. In the statement that came out from 356 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: the University of Alabama College Democrats, the group said they 357 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: were aware of the man's arrests and saying, quote, our 358 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: fears have come to pass President Donald Trump. The borders 359 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: are Tom Homan and ICE have struck a cold, vicious 360 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: dagger through the heart of the University of Alabama's international community. 361 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: As far as we know right now, ICE has yet 362 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: to provide any justification for their actions, so we are 363 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: not sure if this persecution is politically motivated, as has 364 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: been seen in other universities across the country. It goes 365 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: back to your point that you just made. The Democrats 366 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: on even at the University of Alabama are like this 367 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: is persecution. You know, facts be damned, supporting terrorist activities 368 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: be damned. Advocating for hamas be damned. 369 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: Well clear, understand the principle. 370 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: When you were quoting that newspaper story, you said, the 371 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: Alabama Democrats were saying, we don't know what crime this 372 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: person has been charged with. You don't have to be 373 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: charged with a crime. Let me be clear, like, okay, 374 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 3: if you're charged with a crime, that ought to be easy. 375 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: Although I say it ought to be easy if you're 376 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: charged with a crime. My Democratic colleagues, when we argue 377 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: to port people who've committed crimes, support people who committed 378 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: violent crimes, to port people who are murderers, to port 379 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: people who are rapists, to poort people who are child molesters. 380 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: My Democratic colleagues party line vote no. So even if 381 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: you're guilty of a crime, they don't want to deport you, 382 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: but set it aside for a student visa. If you're 383 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: not a US citizen, you don't have to be guilty 384 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: of a crime. If you come to America as a 385 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: foreigner and we've given you a permissive visa, we said, okay, 386 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: we want you to come, and you come here and 387 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: you grab a bullhorn and say I hate America and 388 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: I want the enemies of America to defeat America. You 389 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: know what, my answer is, get the hell out. We 390 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: don't have a reason to let you in. I don't 391 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: have a protection. If you are an enemy of America, 392 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: you're entitled to be that. 393 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: You know what. 394 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: They're seven to eight billion people on planet on Earth. 395 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: There are some people that are enemies of America. But 396 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: why do we have to let enemies of America in? 397 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: If you say I hate America. It's like the old 398 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live skit of the flight attendant as people 399 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 3: are leaving the plane going bubbye, Bubby, you hate America, Bubby, 400 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: get out hate America somewhere else. But we're not letting 401 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: you in here because we don't need people who hate 402 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: American are trying to undermine our nation in this country. 403 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: Which brings me to story number three. And this is 404 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: one where we have I think led on exposing the 405 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: amount of foreign money that's been pouring into universities. We 406 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: also exposed it with a Biden crime family and the 407 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: amount of foreign dours coming in to the Biden Institute, 408 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: for example, and other universities. And we've witnessed the amount 409 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: of money coming in to a point where you say, 410 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense economically. This is my opinion. I 411 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: think now you're looking at a bigger issue, which is 412 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: what are they actually getting in return for the staggering 413 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: amounts of foreign money that's pouring these universities. Is this 414 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: co covert opts by foreign nations? Is this trying to 415 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: control the next generation of American minds? Is this about spying? 416 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: What is it? 417 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: But when you look at this new report from a 418 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: nonprofit and a non person government watchdog group, they're sounding 419 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: the alarm saying this amount of money coming in is 420 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: not just from do gooders. This money's coming in, It's 421 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: coming in for something big center. What is that? 422 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, this is not covert, It is overt. It 423 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: is open, is out and brazen. So the history in 424 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: Fox News entitled quote new reports sounds alarm on staggering 425 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: amount of foreign money pouring into US universities. The report 426 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: says that seven hundred and ninety five million dollars has 427 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: gone from foreign adversaries to American universe. And here's what 428 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: the article says. I'm going to quote a little bit 429 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: of it. Quote a new report from a nonprofit and 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: nonpartisan government watchdog is shedding light on the tens of 431 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: billions of dollars tens of billions that have poured into 432 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: US universities in recent years, including twenty billion dollars to 433 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: some of the most prestigious universities in the country. The report, 434 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: produced by Americans for Public Trust and released this week, 435 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: found that sixty billion dollars again, sixty billion dollars in 436 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: foreign gifts and contracts were funneled into American colleges and universities, 437 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: including twenty billion dollars alone to elite schools like Harvard, Yale, 438 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 3: and others. Within that total, seven hundred and ninety five 439 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: million dollars came from nations that are long standing adversaries 440 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: to the United States, including China, Russia, Venezuela, and Yemen. 441 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 3: This is shocking. It is fundamental corruption. I can tell 442 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 3: you I've introduced legislation to require to minimum that universities 443 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: report every dollar of foreign money they received so that 444 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: we have scrutiny. And I'll tell you, Ben, one of 445 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: the very first pieces of legislation ever passed, when I 446 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 3: was a brand new baby senator thirteen years ago, was 447 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: dealing with this issue of foreign money flooding into universities, 448 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: and China had been funding these things called Confucius institutes. 449 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: Confused institutes were institutes on American college campuses that taught Mandarin, 450 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 3: that taught the Chinese language, and they were used number 451 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: one as hubs of espionage where China would send spies 452 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: to engage in espionage in the United States, and number 453 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: two as tools of propaganda, where they would push propaganda 454 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: that was favorable to the Chinese Communist government. And when 455 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: I was a brand new baby senator, I introduced legislation 456 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: that banned any money from the Federal Department of Defense 457 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: going to university that had a Confuseducious institute. And at 458 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: the time they introduced it, we had a Democrat Senate. 459 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: When I got elected, Harry Reid as the majority leader 460 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: of the Democrats were in the majority. I was on 461 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: the Senate Armed Services Committee. I introduced this amendment, and 462 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: Ben I'll tell you, I got bipartisan support. I got 463 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 3: Democrats to support me and Republicans. We passed it into law, 464 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: and the legislation I passed resulted in more than twenty 465 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: Confucius institutes across the country being shut down this was 466 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: a problem back in twenty thirteen, I got to say, 467 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, it's much much worse. 468 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: So what is the government's response now? What should the 469 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: government response be moving forward? And is it time to 470 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: actually look at these universities and ask questions or have 471 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: regulations about money coming in from foreign countries, especially those 472 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: that are adversaries of the United States of America. I 473 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: don't like government overreach, I want to make that clear. 474 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: But the wild wild West that we're we're looking at 475 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: right now from this report and sixty billion and foreign 476 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: gifts and contracts are funneled to American colleges and universities 477 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: like that, they're getting something in return, twenty billion alone 478 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: to Harvard, Yale and other elite schools. They're getting something 479 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: in return. And if they're buying the minds of American 480 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: students or influence, or even what worries me the most 481 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: is stealing intellectual property or spying on America and future leaders, 482 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: this scares the hell out of mean. So what should 483 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: the government's response be? 484 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, all of the above. So they're doing 485 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: this to buy influence, They're doing this to push propaganda, 486 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: They're doing this to engage at espionage. They're doing this 487 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: to steal intellectual property, and so many of our universities, 488 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: especially our elite universities, have eagerly jumped in bed with them. Look, 489 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: you and I discussed early on in the wake of 490 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: October seventh, when the anti Semitic protests were breaking out, 491 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: if you look at the universities with the highest percentage 492 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: of foreign students, it almost perfectly maps to the universities 493 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: with the most the most virulent, the most nasty antisemitic protests. 494 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: Universities like colombiaan NYU are at the very top of 495 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: the list. And when you let in a bunch of 496 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: foreign students. Now, look, universities like foreign students because they 497 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: pay full tuition, they pay full freight. They're cash cows. 498 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: But why are American universities in the business of educating foreigners, 499 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: especially foreigners who hate American or undermining America. I don't 500 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: see a reason for that. But not only that, but 501 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: they're pushing this to drive a political agenda. And so 502 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: what should we do? Number One, we need transparency. 503 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: As I mentioned, I've introduced legislation to require transparency if 504 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: a university is getting money from a foreign country. We 505 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: need to know about it, how much from which country? 506 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the legislation I'm introducing puts putative 507 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 3: tax penalties if you get money from a country that 508 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: is an enemy of America. In my view of the 509 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: federal government ought to put penalties in place where you 510 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: end up being taxed more than you get. We don't 511 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: need the enemies of America funding our universities and actively 512 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: undermining our education. We need leaders who are willing to 513 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: stand up for America first. And I think that's incredibly important. 514 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: If you look at the money that came in a 515 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: perfect example of this is within that total I gave 516 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: you the twenty billion alone going to those elite schools, 517 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety five million came from nations that 518 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: are long standing advisaris in the US, including China, Rush 519 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: of Venezuela, and Yemen. Is it also time to look 520 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: at certain countries and say you can't have donations coming 521 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: in from there. 522 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: Yes, and we ought to penalize the hell out of it. 523 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: If it RAN is funding your university, you're doing something 524 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: fundamentally wrong. 525 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: Great point. Don't forget. 526 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: We do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday hit that 527 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: subscriber auto download button and on those in between days, 528 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: grab my show, the Ben Ferguson Podcast. 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