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Speaker 2: Ten days before shots were fired in Maryland, the first
Speaker 2: victims of the serial Sniper may have been eight hundred
Speaker 2: miles south of the Washington Beltway.
Speaker 3: September twenty first, two thousand and two, Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker 4: It all started with a call that had gone out
Speaker 4: in relation to a robbery at the liquor store. My
Speaker 4: name is James Gray Boyce. I currently am the chief
Speaker 4: of Police at Alabama State University. At that time, I
Speaker 4: was a lieutenant with the Montgomery Police Department. I started
Speaker 4: rolling towards that air when I heard the call go out.
Speaker 4: Originally it had been reported as a robbery, so it
Speaker 4: wasn't until I started responding seeing that I learned that
Speaker 4: it actually was a robbery with a homicide. When I
Speaker 4: responded to the area, it really was chaotic. You have
Speaker 4: so many people running around. One individual was a security
Speaker 4: guard who ran up to my car and started pointing
Speaker 4: down an alleyway and started talking about the suspect running
Speaker 4: in that direction. So I basically drove down that alleyway,
Speaker 4: and that was when I actually ended up running into
Speaker 4: one of the suspects in the case. I saw a
Speaker 4: person running as if they were running away, and I
Speaker 4: basically hollered at him to stop. He actually doubles back
Speaker 4: and then starts jumping fences. I'd get out of my
Speaker 4: car chase the subject on foot. The problem with fences
Speaker 4: is that when somebody goes over a fence, you can't
Speaker 4: just blindly go over the fence because they could be
Speaker 4: waiting on the other side to ambush you. You have
Speaker 4: to at least slow down and stop and make sure
Speaker 4: you're clear.
Speaker 3: All of that slows you down.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it's a residential area, so you can't just start
Speaker 4: shooting to try to hit somebody running from you because
Speaker 4: one of your rounds could go into a house. So
Speaker 4: you really have to keep trying to catch up to
Speaker 4: the person. The guy was in great shape, he was
Speaker 4: very very fast, and he was really getting very far
Speaker 4: ahead of me. Unfortunately I lost sight of him and
Speaker 4: we basically just start saturating the area and started looking
Speaker 4: for the subject.
Speaker 5: There is a ruthless person on the loose.
Speaker 3: What I nerves this community the most is the randomness
Speaker 3: of the murders, ordinary people doing ordinary things. They killed
Speaker 3: the five people in one day and then went on
Speaker 3: the rampage for the next month.
Speaker 5: It is quite a mystery.
Speaker 2: The police say they have never had a crime quite
Speaker 2: like this. Beekare these guys are using weapons that are
Speaker 2: going to go right straight through our bulletproof vests.
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Speaker 3: After the Ponderosa shooting, the task force was following a
Speaker 3: lead from a note they'd found in the woods. The
Speaker 3: note mentioned a call to Officer Derek Beliles. Belliles had
Speaker 3: received a strange phone call. The caller said he knew
Speaker 3: who the snipers were, and then asked Beliles to look
Speaker 3: up a liquor store robbery that took place in Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker 3: Investigators learned that a shooting had occurred there on September
Speaker 3: twenty first, ten days before the attacks began in DC.
Speaker 3: That night, when officers arrived at the crime scene, they
Speaker 3: chased after a suspect but couldn't catch him. Michael Myrick
Speaker 3: was the police lieutenant in charge.
Speaker 2: I was on call and received notice that a shooting
Speaker 2: had heard on Zelda Road outside of the ABC Liquor store.
Speaker 2: The two employees were locking up the store when it
Speaker 2: was believed a robbery took place. Miss Kelly Adams was
Speaker 2: one of the cashier's clerks. This was her job, is
Speaker 2: how she was paying the bills and getting through life
Speaker 2: and starting life with a new husband and a new baby.
Speaker 2: She was locking up the store for the night and
Speaker 2: they have a little checklist on their clipboard. Miss Adams
Speaker 2: said that everything was like clockwork and as she was
Speaker 2: closing the store, they both had to exit at the
Speaker 2: same time. Claudian Parker was the business manager and as
Speaker 2: they were waiting outside, Miss Adams was behind Miss Parker.
Speaker 2: Miss Parker was turning the keys in the door, and
Speaker 2: Miss Adams said she did not hear anything, but she
Speaker 2: felt like she was electrocuted. She said, I even thought
Speaker 2: I was tased. I just felt this flash of electricity
Speaker 2: run through me. She was shot directly underneath the jaw
Speaker 2: line from the left side, and the projectile just caused
Speaker 2: massive tissue damage to the skin and neck underneath her
Speaker 2: jaw and the jaw itself. The projectile most certainly proceeded
Speaker 2: through her body and struck the window next to the
Speaker 2: door and shattered that window. She said, then I fell
Speaker 2: to the ground, And then she said, I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened to Claudine.
Speaker 5: What happened.
Speaker 2: Miss Clauding Parker would have most likely seen Kelly shot.
Speaker 2: We don't know if she went down to try to
Speaker 2: help her or anything. However, we are certain that she
Speaker 2: would have backed up and backed away from what was happening.
Speaker 2: And if she's backing away, she's actually behind one of
Speaker 2: the pillars of the business. She's actually protected by that pillar.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: As she continued to back up, she moves out of
Speaker 2: the line of sight of the pillar, and then she
Speaker 2: is shot in the shoulder blade. It caused massive damage
Speaker 2: when the bullet exploded inside her body and she collapsed immediately.
Speaker 2: We know that Miss Parker did not crawl, did not move,
Speaker 2: She did not get up and run. Because of the
Speaker 2: damage to her vertebrae that the fragmentation caused, she was
Speaker 2: unable to even breathe on her own. Later, Miss Adams
Speaker 2: looked up and she said she saw very slender, skinny
Speaker 2: black legs. She said the person was wearing shorts, standing
Speaker 2: above me, pointing a gun at my head, a small
Speaker 2: silver revolver, and Miss Adams does not remember much after that,
Speaker 2: but she said the person just left, just ran off.
Speaker 3: Kelly Adams, the store clerk, survived the attack.
Speaker 1: The bullet went in right here, skirted across there, and came.
Speaker 2: Out in front of my face.
Speaker 3: The store manager, Claudine Parker, wasn't as lucky as Clauding.
Speaker 2: Parker was the immediately taken to Jackson Hospital, which is
Speaker 2: the nearest hospital there, and she died in surgery. From
Speaker 2: what we gathered from her family, she was a very
Speaker 2: very good athlete. She was a semi pro tennis player
Speaker 2: at one point. Unfortunately, she was in her last pay
Speaker 2: period before she was going to retire and become the
Speaker 2: tennis coach at Alabama State University, and she was planning
Speaker 2: on doing that the next month before she was killed.
Speaker 2: I felt very sorry for the families. This was the
Speaker 2: shooting that just continued to haunt them. I mean, Miss
Speaker 2: Adams has had I believe, over twenty surgeries to repair
Speaker 2: just continued infections and just continued problems that she's had.
Speaker 2: The Parker family is always reminded that their loved one
Speaker 2: is gone. This particular scene was atypical in the sense
Speaker 2: that had occurred right when two police officers were on
Speaker 2: routine patrol. They actually heard the gunshots, tried to locate
Speaker 2: where they were coming from, and then they saw the
Speaker 2: two victims and they immediately pulled the patrol car to
Speaker 2: where the two victims were on the ground, and our
Speaker 2: patrol officers saw a young blackmail with a medium afro.
Speaker 2: He was behind one of the pillars of the business,
Speaker 2: rummaging going through a purse. As they pulled into the
Speaker 2: parking lot from the trafficway, the subject looked at them
Speaker 2: from behind the pillar and took off running. One of
Speaker 2: our officers stayed with the victims and the second officer
Speaker 2: engaged in foot pursuit. The subject running dropped what was
Speaker 2: later determined to be an armalit gun catalog. He pursued
Speaker 2: him went over the fence as a gated complex, and
Speaker 2: he chased him as far as he could until he
Speaker 2: was out of sight, and then multiple units responding trying
Speaker 2: to locate the subject that was running, but were unable
Speaker 2: to do so. That subject, then we know later had
Speaker 2: to have come out in a particular area. An eyewitness
Speaker 2: citizen saw the subject, this young blackmail, getting into the
Speaker 2: back of a caprice. That caprice then drove out of
Speaker 2: the area. But because the subject got into the back
Speaker 2: of the caprice, we knew we had a driver, so
Speaker 2: we had a second subject. I was dispatched to the
Speaker 2: scene as the case agent. Most of the time, by
Speaker 2: the time the homicide unit is called in or members
Speaker 2: of the scene is secured, they're just kind of waiting
Speaker 2: for us to do our initials. We need to get
Speaker 2: into witness interviews, and we need to start located in
Speaker 2: evidence that is not just in plain sight. One of
Speaker 2: the things that I saw when I arrived on scene
Speaker 2: was the significant, significant blood trail from where the victim
Speaker 2: was being treated, So I knew this was not just
Speaker 2: a typical shooting, just from the way the scene was.
Speaker 3: Kelly Adams, the surviving victim, said she had seen someone
Speaker 3: standing over her with a silver revolver, but strangely, her
Speaker 3: wounds hadn't come from a.
Speaker 2: Handgun entirely, too much tissue damage for that to be
Speaker 2: a handgun. A handgun fire is a heavy bullet. It
Speaker 2: does not have a lot of horsepower as opposed to
Speaker 2: a rifle where your velocity is such an issue. So
Speaker 2: when we saw the injuries to Kelly adams jawline, all
Speaker 2: the massive damage underneath her neck where she was shot,
Speaker 2: a handgun projectile does not do that.
Speaker 3: By examining the wounds and bullet fragments, investigators determined that
Speaker 3: the shots had come from a rifle. But that wasn't
Speaker 3: the only odd thing about the case. Lieutenant Myrick says,
Speaker 3: the crime just didn't make sense as a robbery.
Speaker 2: There was no need for this type of violence for
Speaker 2: the Knight deposit in any business, point your gun, demand
Speaker 2: the property, get the property, flee the scene. So that
Speaker 2: immediately was odd to us. And also, the ABC Liquor
Speaker 2: store was a state run liquor store and they did
Speaker 2: not get robbed. They made a policy that they secured
Speaker 2: the Knight's deposit and is safe. They did not want
Speaker 2: the employees to leave the business with any amount of cash.
Speaker 2: Bottom line to that is, the ABC stores just did
Speaker 2: not get robbed. So for someone to rob the employees
Speaker 2: as they closed, coupled with the fact that you were
Speaker 2: right by the interstate, we just knew that wasn't a
Speaker 2: typical local offender. We were just trying to find any
Speaker 2: possible lead we could, as in any case this gets
Speaker 2: into homicide one oh one.
Speaker 3: Here we had.
Speaker 2: A couple of people turn in folks they were mad
Speaker 2: at That always happens. You get a lot of folks
Speaker 2: who provide information that they believe is helpful. It's just
Speaker 2: inaccurate information, and we would pursue those interviews, but they
Speaker 2: of course led us to nothing. We had no local
Speaker 2: leads at all within the first you know, forty eight
Speaker 2: to seventy two hours, just nothing at all.
Speaker 3: But what officers did have was evidence like the ArmaLite
Speaker 3: gun catalog the suspect had dropped during the chase. It
Speaker 3: was a magazine full of information about rifles and firearm accessories.
Speaker 2: We recovered thirty six usable identifiable fingerprints within the gun catalog,
Speaker 2: and we have a fingerprint on a brown paper bag
Speaker 2: from the liquor store that is all with the same
Speaker 2: fingerprint person. We just don't know who it is. You
Speaker 2: run your fingerprints local, you run your fingerprints through the
Speaker 2: state system, you run your fingerprints through a regional system.
Speaker 2: That's just the progression. It takes four hours to get
Speaker 2: a fingerprint hit, not something that flashes up on the
Speaker 2: screen in seconds, as TV shows indicate, and when we
Speaker 2: did not get any hits, they ran them through the
Speaker 2: national system and still receiving a negative identification, as it's
Speaker 2: called a negative ID. When you start doing that, you're
Speaker 2: generally thinking that this is someone who's either a never
Speaker 2: been fingerprinted or b is a juvenile. The fingerprints are
Speaker 2: not in these adult systems. We thought, well, if that
Speaker 2: was a juvenile, this could have been somebody who just
Speaker 2: simply came in off the interstate committed this robbery. They
Speaker 2: are juveniles, so they're not in the system, and we
Speaker 2: really have a tough case. We really have something that's
Speaker 2: going to be very difficult to solve. Locally.
Speaker 3: The case had gone cold, but soon there'd be an
Speaker 3: unexpected break in both the Alabama shooting and the DC
Speaker 3: sniper case. A month now had passed since the Alabama shooting,
Speaker 3: and the case was still cold up in DC. Investigators
Speaker 3: were now two and a half weeks into their hunt
Speaker 3: for the snipers, and retired Montgomery County Police Commander Drew
Speaker 3: Tracy worried they weren't making progress fast enough.
Speaker 5: My day was I was up three point thirty in
Speaker 5: the morning. I grabbed something, probably a protein smoothie, and
Speaker 5: then I'm driving because I have to give a briefing
Speaker 5: at five am in the morning, and I remember grabbing
Speaker 5: a Washington Post and it was talking about several serial
Speaker 5: killings and how long it took. You know, son of Sam.
Speaker 5: I think it took months to catch him, and he
Speaker 5: was providing information on a regular basis. And then you
Speaker 5: had the BTK killer and he wasn't caught at that time.
Speaker 5: I think the Green River killer was just caught. And
Speaker 5: I looked at the period of time it takes to
Speaker 5: catch some of these individuals, and I said, we can't
Speaker 5: sustain this, and it got my head saying, you know,
Speaker 5: we got to push with everything we got because we
Speaker 5: don't know how long these resources are going to last.
Speaker 5: I mean, we had close to four hundred FBI agents
Speaker 5: assisting us atf We had local law enforcement, We had volunteers,
Speaker 5: We had people we were telling the stand in front
Speaker 5: of our school systems that could be victims. We had
Speaker 5: helicopter pilots. We had a lot of things going. And
Speaker 5: I know there's a limitation to that. So all these
Speaker 5: things had kind of taken heavy weight on the task
Speaker 5: force and people involved.
Speaker 3: Drew Tracy was exhausted from working overtime, but motivated, motivated
Speaker 3: to catch the snipers before resources ran out, motivated to
Speaker 3: prevent any more sense shootings, and motivated by a promising lead.
Speaker 3: After the task force had learned about the sniper's call
Speaker 3: to Officer Derek Belliles, Drew Tracy was assigned to investigate
Speaker 3: that lead.
Speaker 5: I actually called Montgomery, Alabama myself, and I asked if
Speaker 5: I could speak to one of the detectives involved, Johnny Benson.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting at the house on a Sunday afternoon watching
Speaker 2: the NASCAR race as everybody does here, and I get
Speaker 2: a call from someone from the Sniper Task Force. One
Speaker 2: of the units within that task force had followed a
Speaker 2: lead that would be snipers called the Montgomery County PIO
Speaker 2: officer and said that they did the shooting on Ann
Speaker 2: Street in Alabama.
Speaker 5: So I remember talking to the detective. I wanted to
Speaker 5: get a good feel for were these individuals who called,
Speaker 5: are they really involved or is it just something to
Speaker 5: just throw us off track? And he told me it
Speaker 5: was a robbery. So a little bit of the wind
Speaker 5: was coming out of my sales because every one of
Speaker 5: the situations we had in Maryland Virginia and Washington c
Speaker 5: was not a robbery.
Speaker 2: What's so intriguing to me is that they said the
Speaker 2: shooting was on Ann Street. And I said, Ann Street
Speaker 2: is the exit from which you exit the interstate. That's
Speaker 2: the Ann Street exit. However, at the bottom of that exit,
Speaker 2: if you turn left, you're on Zelda Road. I said,
Speaker 2: there would be no way that someone in town would
Speaker 2: attribute that shooting to Anne Street. That was actually on
Speaker 2: Zelda Road. Everybody knows Anne Street and everybody knows Zelda Road.
Speaker 5: I asked if there was any evidence in the case,
Speaker 5: you know, ballistics and everything else. He says, the only
Speaker 5: thing we have is a magazine. And I said, a magazine,
Speaker 5: you mean magazine from a weapon. He goes a paper
Speaker 5: magazine and he says, and this is where it went.
Speaker 5: Clicked with me, just like that, and I said, oh
Speaker 5: my god, we might have something here. He said it
Speaker 5: was an armor light catalog. Well, for my training, you know,
Speaker 5: from being on SWAT, I knew what armor light was.
Speaker 5: They produced things that you could put on your rifle,
Speaker 5: you know, armor light ar. They sell stuff for an
Speaker 5: AR fifteen and make r fifteens. So when I heard that,
Speaker 5: we got an FBI agent from Mobile, Alabama to grab
Speaker 5: that catalog.
Speaker 2: Especially to Margaret Faulkner, came and gathered the information from
Speaker 2: our case. Some of the events then transported up to
Speaker 2: the Sniper task Force, and Margaret Faulkner, being at the
Speaker 2: task force, she said, have we ran these fingerprints? Have
Speaker 2: we ran them in every known database federal or otherwise.
Speaker 5: FBI in Washington, d C. Did a more thorough search
Speaker 5: because they have access to bigger databases for fingerprints.
Speaker 2: They ran it through every alphabet soup database that they
Speaker 2: had and when they sat down, they said, well, the
Speaker 2: only one that we have not run it through was
Speaker 2: I in S and they said, let's run them through irons.
Speaker 5: And that's when we got a hit on a fingerprint.
Speaker 3: The FBI found a match for the fingerprints from the
Speaker 3: Alabama crime scene unexpectedly in a database run by the
Speaker 3: Immigration and Naturalization Service.
Speaker 6: Or i INS, and that print was for Lee Boyd
Speaker 6: Malvo and he was seventeen years old. This is Linda Hooper.
Speaker 6: I was a supervisory special agent of the FBI at
Speaker 6: the time of the Sniper investigation, and so I asked
Speaker 6: the fingerprint lab, did you run that print for driver's licenses.
Speaker 6: I figured, seventeen, the guy probably has a driver's license.
Speaker 6: He said, yeah. We ran him in every state. He
Speaker 6: doesn't have a driver's license. The only thing we could
Speaker 6: come up with was that he was referenced and ANS
Speaker 6: file out of Tacoma, Washington. Well, as soon as we
Speaker 6: found out that his name was referenced in ANS file,
Speaker 6: we went to IF and we had them pull the
Speaker 6: file so we could see what was in it.
Speaker 3: It turned out that Lee Boyd Malvo, the seventeen year
Speaker 3: old whose fingerprints had been found on the gun catalog
Speaker 3: in Alabama, was originally from Jamaica. Malvo had been fingerprinted
Speaker 3: in Washington State in December two thousand and one, when
Speaker 3: he and his mother, Una James were arrested. Lee Boyd
Speaker 3: Malvo had been staying at a homeless shelter with a
Speaker 3: forty year old man named John Mohammed. Police were called
Speaker 3: when Malvo's mother, Una James, got into an argument with John.
Speaker 3: She'd showed up at the shelter and said John had
Speaker 3: kidnapped her son. Because Mohammed was not related to Malvo,
Speaker 3: police returned him to Una. However, when neither Una or
Speaker 3: Lee Boyd Malvo could provide any sort of identification. Police
Speaker 3: contacted Border patrol and the mother and son were arrested
Speaker 3: on suspicion of having entered the country illegally. Now ten
Speaker 3: months later, the fingerprints from Malvo's arrested Washington State match
Speaker 3: the ones from the Alabama crime scene. Here's retired Montgomery
Speaker 3: Police Lieutenant Michael Myrick again.
Speaker 2: How did Lee Malville from an i ins arrest in Tacoma,
Speaker 2: Washington connect to a shooting in Montgomery, Alabama with a
Speaker 2: rifle off of the Beltway, which is what they have
Speaker 2: in d C. How's all that happening. We have a lead,
Speaker 2: we can at least solve one case in Alabama from
Speaker 2: this information. Is that going to be connected to the
Speaker 2: sniper shooting. I've got no idea if that's the situation
Speaker 2: at all. Well, at the same time, a man in Tacoma,
Speaker 2: Washington called the task force and he said that he
Speaker 2: had had a friend that had left the area that
Speaker 2: was a very militant person, very upset with his domestic situation.
Speaker 2: And he says the guy was very dangerous. He described
Speaker 2: as just being very very unhappy with life. And he
Speaker 2: said it just bothers me that all this is happening.
Speaker 2: My friend's ex wife lives in the DC area. His
Speaker 2: name's John Mohammad.
Speaker 3: The tip was about a man named John Muhammad, the
Speaker 3: same name as the man involved in the custody dispute
Speaker 3: over Lee Boyd Malvie, and the tipster had called from
Speaker 3: Washington State, where Lee Boyd Malvau was arrested.
Speaker 2: He says, nothing for nothing, but I'm just you know,
Speaker 2: I just want to let y'all know. Don't want to
Speaker 2: sit on this information. And he said he left with
Speaker 2: an AR fifteen Bushmaster rifle.
Speaker 5: And he mentions how it was extremely important to John
Speaker 5: Muhammad to get a silencer for an AR style weapon,
Speaker 5: and that he had a young man with him that
Speaker 5: he called sniper.
Speaker 2: And he said they talked about snipers and they played
Speaker 2: sniper games. And he said, you know, I just want
Speaker 2: to pass his information on. Well, now we had a
Speaker 2: very very clear suspect to pursue by name.
Speaker 3: Investigators now had two strong suspects, Lee Boyd Malvo and
Speaker 3: John Muhammad. In Malvo's case, the letter the snipers left
Speaker 3: outside the Ponderosa had led investigators to Derek Beliles, who
Speaker 3: in turn directed them to the Alabama shooting and fingerprints
Speaker 3: from that crime scene matched Lee Boyd Malva. They'd come
Speaker 3: across John Muhammad's name from two different directions. The i
Speaker 3: S report connected Mohammed to Malvo, and then his name
Speaker 3: came up again on a tip line call. Drew Tracy
Speaker 3: was a trained sniper himself, so he wasn't surprised that
Speaker 3: there could be two suspects working together.
Speaker 5: Back in nineteen eighty three, I first became involved as
Speaker 5: a SWAT team member and one of the most important
Speaker 5: pieces of the training in a vital part was going
Speaker 5: to Sniper observe school. And it's two words, a sniper
Speaker 5: and an observer. So you're trained as a marksman and
Speaker 5: you're also trained as an observer. Your main job being
Speaker 5: a sniper observer is observing. You have to put yourself
Speaker 5: in a position you're not seen. You have to utilize
Speaker 5: a different type of optics, and you have to provide good,
Speaker 5: steady and specific information to your team. And the reasoning
Speaker 5: for a team aspect and deployment is you can't constantly
Speaker 5: be behind the optics of a gun for an extended
Speaker 5: period of time, so you want to have two trained
Speaker 5: people that would exchange positions. One could be the observer
Speaker 5: while the other one sets up their rifle so they're
Speaker 5: ready to take a shot.
Speaker 3: So it could make sense for there to be two
Speaker 3: perpetrators working together, but one acting as the sniper and
Speaker 3: the other observing, picking targets and letting the sniper know
Speaker 3: when there weren't any witnesses nearby. The tip line caller
Speaker 3: had also said that John Mohammad owned a bush Master rifle,
Speaker 3: an AR style only that fires two to three rounds,
Speaker 3: the same type of bullets used in the Alabama and
Speaker 3: DC shootings.
Speaker 5: Bushmaster XEM fifteen E twos is basically an assault rifle.
Speaker 5: It's a high velocity round thirty two hundred feet per second,
Speaker 5: so it has the capability of being pretty consistent within
Speaker 5: three hundred yards. And I went to basically every scene
Speaker 5: in the Washington DC area, and I think the longest
Speaker 5: one was about to hard thirty yards utilizing the site system.
Speaker 5: With training, these shots are I wouldn't say easy, but
Speaker 5: they're capable with that weapon and a small amount of training.
Speaker 3: And the AR fifteen style assault rifle that John Muhammad
Speaker 3: was reported to have was capable of much more than
Speaker 3: firing single shots at a long range. It's a semi
Speaker 3: automatic rifle that can fire up to forty five rounds
Speaker 3: a minute.
Speaker 5: If you look at the latest active shooter situations in
Speaker 5: our you'll see an AR fifteen as being the weapon
Speaker 5: of choice. It has the capability of doing great damage.
Speaker 5: Law enforcement also carries an AR for patrol nowadays. But
Speaker 5: it's interesting many law enforcement departments in this country switched
Speaker 5: over to a rifle program because of October two thousand
Speaker 5: and two, the DC sniper incident. And if you think
Speaker 5: about it, if you're in patrol with a limited shotgun
Speaker 5: or a handgun, you're not going to have the capability
Speaker 5: to go against a rifle threat. One of the things
Speaker 5: that kind of scared me each one of these situations
Speaker 5: was one shot. It wasn't the second shot, it was
Speaker 5: one shot, which led me to believe it was military training.
Speaker 5: So that greatly concerned me. And if you think about it,
Speaker 5: one shot, what is that showing? One shot is telling
Speaker 5: me that they're in control. And that scared us, and
Speaker 5: it scared me.
Speaker 3: Who were John Mohammad and Lee Boyd Malvo? And how
Speaker 3: was this forty year old American connected to a seventeen
Speaker 3: year old Jamaican boy. Investigators needed to find out as
Speaker 3: much about them as possible, and if they were the sneipers,
Speaker 3: investigators needed to find them fast before they killed. Again.
Speaker 3: Here's former FBI agent Linda Hooper again.
Speaker 6: So we were putting together a lot of information on
Speaker 6: these two individuals. It certainly looked like they were two
Speaker 6: viable suspects in this case, but we had no information
Speaker 6: that they were in Maryland, Virginia, or Washington, DC area
Speaker 6: at all. Well, when we were investigating John Mohammad, we
Speaker 6: discovered that he was divorced and his wife, she had
Speaker 6: a restraining order against him. I found out that she
Speaker 6: was living in the area, and so I sent two
Speaker 6: people over to interview her.
Speaker 7: Me and my children were having dinner and FBI knock
Speaker 7: on my door and they said, so, when was the
Speaker 7: last time you've seen John Alan Mohammad, and my palms
Speaker 7: began sweating. I am Mildred Muhammad, I'm an award winning
Speaker 7: global keynote speaker, and my former husband was John Ali Mohammad,
Speaker 7: whom you all know to be the DC Sniper.
Speaker 3: Next time, I'm Monster DC Sniper. We'll explore the backstories
Speaker 3: of John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malva.
Speaker 7: Everybody loved John because he was jovial. He was that guy.
Speaker 7: He would be gone. She had a list where he
Speaker 7: was supposed to go for the day, and then she
Speaker 7: started getting phone calls him not being there.
Speaker 5: I misread his character.
Speaker 3: You know, he has a good slide and a bad slide.
Speaker 7: He was accused of trying to kill O soldiers.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that they kept a lot of
Speaker 3: the shit.
Speaker 7: He was going to kill me and it was going
Speaker 7: to be a headshot, and I could not get anybody
Speaker 7: to believe me.
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