1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: in the podcast, and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Ten days before shots were fired in Maryland, the first 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: victims of the serial Sniper may have been eight hundred 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: miles south of the Washington Beltway. 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: September twenty first, two thousand and two, Montgomery, Alabama. 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 4: It all started with a call that had gone out 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: in relation to a robbery at the liquor store. My 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: name is James Gray Boyce. I currently am the chief 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: of Police at Alabama State University. At that time, I 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 4: was a lieutenant with the Montgomery Police Department. I started 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: rolling towards that air when I heard the call go out. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 4: Originally it had been reported as a robbery, so it 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 4: wasn't until I started responding seeing that I learned that 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 4: it actually was a robbery with a homicide. When I 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 4: responded to the area, it really was chaotic. You have 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: so many people running around. One individual was a security 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: guard who ran up to my car and started pointing 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 4: down an alleyway and started talking about the suspect running 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 4: in that direction. So I basically drove down that alleyway, 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: and that was when I actually ended up running into 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: one of the suspects in the case. I saw a 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 4: person running as if they were running away, and I 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 4: basically hollered at him to stop. He actually doubles back 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: and then starts jumping fences. I'd get out of my 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: car chase the subject on foot. The problem with fences 30 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: is that when somebody goes over a fence, you can't 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: just blindly go over the fence because they could be 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: waiting on the other side to ambush you. You have 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: to at least slow down and stop and make sure 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: you're clear. 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 3: All of that slows you down. 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it's a residential area, so you can't just start 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 4: shooting to try to hit somebody running from you because 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: one of your rounds could go into a house. So 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 4: you really have to keep trying to catch up to 40 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: the person. The guy was in great shape, he was 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: very very fast, and he was really getting very far 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: ahead of me. Unfortunately I lost sight of him and 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: we basically just start saturating the area and started looking 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: for the subject. 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 5: There is a ruthless person on the loose. 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: What I nerves this community the most is the randomness 47 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: of the murders, ordinary people doing ordinary things. They killed 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: the five people in one day and then went on 49 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: the rampage for the next month. 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 5: It is quite a mystery. 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: The police say they have never had a crime quite 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: like this. Beekare these guys are using weapons that are 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: going to go right straight through our bulletproof vests. 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: From iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. This is monster DC sniper. 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 3: After the Ponderosa shooting, the task force was following a 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: lead from a note they'd found in the woods. The 57 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: note mentioned a call to Officer Derek Beliles. Belliles had 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: received a strange phone call. The caller said he knew 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: who the snipers were, and then asked Beliles to look 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: up a liquor store robbery that took place in Montgomery, Alabama. 61 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: Investigators learned that a shooting had occurred there on September 62 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: twenty first, ten days before the attacks began in DC. 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: That night, when officers arrived at the crime scene, they 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: chased after a suspect but couldn't catch him. Michael Myrick 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: was the police lieutenant in charge. 66 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: I was on call and received notice that a shooting 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: had heard on Zelda Road outside of the ABC Liquor store. 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: The two employees were locking up the store when it 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: was believed a robbery took place. Miss Kelly Adams was 70 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: one of the cashier's clerks. This was her job, is 71 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: how she was paying the bills and getting through life 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: and starting life with a new husband and a new baby. 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: She was locking up the store for the night and 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: they have a little checklist on their clipboard. Miss Adams 75 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: said that everything was like clockwork and as she was 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: closing the store, they both had to exit at the 77 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: same time. Claudian Parker was the business manager and as 78 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: they were waiting outside, Miss Adams was behind Miss Parker. 79 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: Miss Parker was turning the keys in the door, and 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: Miss Adams said she did not hear anything, but she 81 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: felt like she was electrocuted. She said, I even thought 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: I was tased. I just felt this flash of electricity 83 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: run through me. She was shot directly underneath the jaw 84 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: line from the left side, and the projectile just caused 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: massive tissue damage to the skin and neck underneath her 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: jaw and the jaw itself. The projectile most certainly proceeded 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: through her body and struck the window next to the 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: door and shattered that window. She said, then I fell 89 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: to the ground, And then she said, I don't know 90 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: what happened to Claudine. 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: What happened. 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: Miss Clauding Parker would have most likely seen Kelly shot. 93 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: We don't know if she went down to try to 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: help her or anything. However, we are certain that she 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: would have backed up and backed away from what was happening. 96 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: And if she's backing away, she's actually behind one of 97 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: the pillars of the business. She's actually protected by that pillar. 98 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Well. 99 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: As she continued to back up, she moves out of 100 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: the line of sight of the pillar, and then she 101 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: is shot in the shoulder blade. It caused massive damage 102 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: when the bullet exploded inside her body and she collapsed immediately. 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: We know that Miss Parker did not crawl, did not move, 104 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: She did not get up and run. Because of the 105 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: damage to her vertebrae that the fragmentation caused, she was 106 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: unable to even breathe on her own. Later, Miss Adams 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: looked up and she said she saw very slender, skinny 108 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: black legs. She said the person was wearing shorts, standing 109 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: above me, pointing a gun at my head, a small 110 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: silver revolver, and Miss Adams does not remember much after that, 111 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: but she said the person just left, just ran off. 112 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: Kelly Adams, the store clerk, survived the attack. 113 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: The bullet went in right here, skirted across there, and came. 114 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Out in front of my face. 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: The store manager, Claudine Parker, wasn't as lucky as Clauding. 116 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: Parker was the immediately taken to Jackson Hospital, which is 117 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: the nearest hospital there, and she died in surgery. From 118 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: what we gathered from her family, she was a very 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: very good athlete. She was a semi pro tennis player 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: at one point. Unfortunately, she was in her last pay 121 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: period before she was going to retire and become the 122 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: tennis coach at Alabama State University, and she was planning 123 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 2: on doing that the next month before she was killed. 124 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: I felt very sorry for the families. This was the 125 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: shooting that just continued to haunt them. I mean, Miss 126 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: Adams has had I believe, over twenty surgeries to repair 127 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: just continued infections and just continued problems that she's had. 128 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: The Parker family is always reminded that their loved one 129 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: is gone. This particular scene was atypical in the sense 130 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: that had occurred right when two police officers were on 131 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: routine patrol. They actually heard the gunshots, tried to locate 132 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: where they were coming from, and then they saw the 133 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: two victims and they immediately pulled the patrol car to 134 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: where the two victims were on the ground, and our 135 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: patrol officers saw a young blackmail with a medium afro. 136 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: He was behind one of the pillars of the business, 137 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: rummaging going through a purse. As they pulled into the 138 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: parking lot from the trafficway, the subject looked at them 139 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: from behind the pillar and took off running. One of 140 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: our officers stayed with the victims and the second officer 141 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: engaged in foot pursuit. The subject running dropped what was 142 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: later determined to be an armalit gun catalog. He pursued 143 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: him went over the fence as a gated complex, and 144 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: he chased him as far as he could until he 145 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: was out of sight, and then multiple units responding trying 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: to locate the subject that was running, but were unable 147 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: to do so. That subject, then we know later had 148 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: to have come out in a particular area. An eyewitness 149 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: citizen saw the subject, this young blackmail, getting into the 150 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: back of a caprice. That caprice then drove out of 151 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: the area. But because the subject got into the back 152 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: of the caprice, we knew we had a driver, so 153 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: we had a second subject. I was dispatched to the 154 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: scene as the case agent. Most of the time, by 155 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: the time the homicide unit is called in or members 156 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: of the scene is secured, they're just kind of waiting 157 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: for us to do our initials. We need to get 158 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 2: into witness interviews, and we need to start located in 159 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: evidence that is not just in plain sight. One of 160 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: the things that I saw when I arrived on scene 161 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: was the significant, significant blood trail from where the victim 162 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: was being treated, So I knew this was not just 163 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: a typical shooting, just from the way the scene was. 164 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 3: Kelly Adams, the surviving victim, said she had seen someone 165 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: standing over her with a silver revolver, but strangely, her 166 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: wounds hadn't come from a. 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: Handgun entirely, too much tissue damage for that to be 168 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: a handgun. A handgun fire is a heavy bullet. It 169 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 2: does not have a lot of horsepower as opposed to 170 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: a rifle where your velocity is such an issue. So 171 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: when we saw the injuries to Kelly adams jawline, all 172 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: the massive damage underneath her neck where she was shot, 173 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: a handgun projectile does not do that. 174 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: By examining the wounds and bullet fragments, investigators determined that 175 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: the shots had come from a rifle. But that wasn't 176 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: the only odd thing about the case. Lieutenant Myrick says, 177 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: the crime just didn't make sense as a robbery. 178 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: There was no need for this type of violence for 179 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: the Knight deposit in any business, point your gun, demand 180 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: the property, get the property, flee the scene. So that 181 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: immediately was odd to us. And also, the ABC Liquor 182 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: store was a state run liquor store and they did 183 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: not get robbed. They made a policy that they secured 184 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: the Knight's deposit and is safe. They did not want 185 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: the employees to leave the business with any amount of cash. 186 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: Bottom line to that is, the ABC stores just did 187 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: not get robbed. So for someone to rob the employees 188 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: as they closed, coupled with the fact that you were 189 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: right by the interstate, we just knew that wasn't a 190 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: typical local offender. We were just trying to find any 191 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: possible lead we could, as in any case this gets 192 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: into homicide one oh one. 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: Here we had. 194 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: A couple of people turn in folks they were mad 195 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: at That always happens. You get a lot of folks 196 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: who provide information that they believe is helpful. It's just 197 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: inaccurate information, and we would pursue those interviews, but they 198 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: of course led us to nothing. We had no local 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: leads at all within the first you know, forty eight 200 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: to seventy two hours, just nothing at all. 201 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: But what officers did have was evidence like the ArmaLite 202 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: gun catalog the suspect had dropped during the chase. It 203 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: was a magazine full of information about rifles and firearm accessories. 204 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: We recovered thirty six usable identifiable fingerprints within the gun catalog, 205 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: and we have a fingerprint on a brown paper bag 206 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: from the liquor store that is all with the same 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: fingerprint person. We just don't know who it is. You 208 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: run your fingerprints local, you run your fingerprints through the 209 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: state system, you run your fingerprints through a regional system. 210 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: That's just the progression. It takes four hours to get 211 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: a fingerprint hit, not something that flashes up on the 212 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: screen in seconds, as TV shows indicate, and when we 213 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: did not get any hits, they ran them through the 214 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: national system and still receiving a negative identification, as it's 215 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: called a negative ID. When you start doing that, you're 216 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: generally thinking that this is someone who's either a never 217 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: been fingerprinted or b is a juvenile. The fingerprints are 218 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: not in these adult systems. We thought, well, if that 219 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: was a juvenile, this could have been somebody who just 220 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: simply came in off the interstate committed this robbery. They 221 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: are juveniles, so they're not in the system, and we 222 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: really have a tough case. We really have something that's 223 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: going to be very difficult to solve. Locally. 224 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: The case had gone cold, but soon there'd be an 225 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: unexpected break in both the Alabama shooting and the DC 226 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: sniper case. A month now had passed since the Alabama shooting, 227 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: and the case was still cold up in DC. Investigators 228 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: were now two and a half weeks into their hunt 229 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: for the snipers, and retired Montgomery County Police Commander Drew 230 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: Tracy worried they weren't making progress fast enough. 231 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 5: My day was I was up three point thirty in 232 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: the morning. I grabbed something, probably a protein smoothie, and 233 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 5: then I'm driving because I have to give a briefing 234 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: at five am in the morning, and I remember grabbing 235 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 5: a Washington Post and it was talking about several serial 236 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 5: killings and how long it took. You know, son of Sam. 237 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 5: I think it took months to catch him, and he 238 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 5: was providing information on a regular basis. And then you 239 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 5: had the BTK killer and he wasn't caught at that time. 240 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: I think the Green River killer was just caught. And 241 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: I looked at the period of time it takes to 242 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 5: catch some of these individuals, and I said, we can't 243 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: sustain this, and it got my head saying, you know, 244 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: we got to push with everything we got because we 245 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 5: don't know how long these resources are going to last. 246 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 5: I mean, we had close to four hundred FBI agents 247 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 5: assisting us atf We had local law enforcement, We had volunteers, 248 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 5: We had people we were telling the stand in front 249 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: of our school systems that could be victims. We had 250 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: helicopter pilots. We had a lot of things going. And 251 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: I know there's a limitation to that. So all these 252 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 5: things had kind of taken heavy weight on the task 253 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: force and people involved. 254 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: Drew Tracy was exhausted from working overtime, but motivated, motivated 255 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: to catch the snipers before resources ran out, motivated to 256 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: prevent any more sense shootings, and motivated by a promising lead. 257 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: After the task force had learned about the sniper's call 258 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: to Officer Derek Belliles, Drew Tracy was assigned to investigate 259 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: that lead. 260 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 5: I actually called Montgomery, Alabama myself, and I asked if 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 5: I could speak to one of the detectives involved, Johnny Benson. 262 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm sitting at the house on a Sunday afternoon watching 263 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: the NASCAR race as everybody does here, and I get 264 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: a call from someone from the Sniper Task Force. One 265 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: of the units within that task force had followed a 266 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: lead that would be snipers called the Montgomery County PIO 267 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: officer and said that they did the shooting on Ann 268 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: Street in Alabama. 269 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 5: So I remember talking to the detective. I wanted to 270 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: get a good feel for were these individuals who called, 271 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: are they really involved or is it just something to 272 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 5: just throw us off track? And he told me it 273 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 5: was a robbery. So a little bit of the wind 274 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: was coming out of my sales because every one of 275 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 5: the situations we had in Maryland Virginia and Washington c 276 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 5: was not a robbery. 277 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: What's so intriguing to me is that they said the 278 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: shooting was on Ann Street. And I said, Ann Street 279 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: is the exit from which you exit the interstate. That's 280 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: the Ann Street exit. However, at the bottom of that exit, 281 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: if you turn left, you're on Zelda Road. I said, 282 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: there would be no way that someone in town would 283 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: attribute that shooting to Anne Street. That was actually on 284 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Zelda Road. Everybody knows Anne Street and everybody knows Zelda Road. 285 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 5: I asked if there was any evidence in the case, 286 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 5: you know, ballistics and everything else. He says, the only 287 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: thing we have is a magazine. And I said, a magazine, 288 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 5: you mean magazine from a weapon. He goes a paper 289 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 5: magazine and he says, and this is where it went. 290 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 5: Clicked with me, just like that, and I said, oh 291 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 5: my god, we might have something here. He said it 292 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 5: was an armor light catalog. Well, for my training, you know, 293 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 5: from being on SWAT, I knew what armor light was. 294 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 5: They produced things that you could put on your rifle, 295 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 5: you know, armor light ar. They sell stuff for an 296 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 5: AR fifteen and make r fifteens. So when I heard that, 297 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 5: we got an FBI agent from Mobile, Alabama to grab 298 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 5: that catalog. 299 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: Especially to Margaret Faulkner, came and gathered the information from 300 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: our case. Some of the events then transported up to 301 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: the Sniper task Force, and Margaret Faulkner, being at the 302 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: task force, she said, have we ran these fingerprints? Have 303 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: we ran them in every known database federal or otherwise. 304 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 5: FBI in Washington, d C. Did a more thorough search 305 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 5: because they have access to bigger databases for fingerprints. 306 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: They ran it through every alphabet soup database that they 307 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: had and when they sat down, they said, well, the 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: only one that we have not run it through was 309 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: I in S and they said, let's run them through irons. 310 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: And that's when we got a hit on a fingerprint. 311 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: The FBI found a match for the fingerprints from the 312 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: Alabama crime scene unexpectedly in a database run by the 313 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: Immigration and Naturalization Service. 314 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 6: Or i INS, and that print was for Lee Boyd 315 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 6: Malvo and he was seventeen years old. This is Linda Hooper. 316 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 6: I was a supervisory special agent of the FBI at 317 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 6: the time of the Sniper investigation, and so I asked 318 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 6: the fingerprint lab, did you run that print for driver's licenses. 319 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 6: I figured, seventeen, the guy probably has a driver's license. 320 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 6: He said, yeah. We ran him in every state. He 321 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 6: doesn't have a driver's license. The only thing we could 322 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 6: come up with was that he was referenced and ANS 323 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 6: file out of Tacoma, Washington. Well, as soon as we 324 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 6: found out that his name was referenced in ANS file, 325 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 6: we went to IF and we had them pull the 326 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: file so we could see what was in it. 327 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: It turned out that Lee Boyd Malvo, the seventeen year 328 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: old whose fingerprints had been found on the gun catalog 329 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: in Alabama, was originally from Jamaica. Malvo had been fingerprinted 330 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: in Washington State in December two thousand and one, when 331 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: he and his mother, Una James were arrested. Lee Boyd 332 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: Malvo had been staying at a homeless shelter with a 333 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: forty year old man named John Mohammed. Police were called 334 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: when Malvo's mother, Una James, got into an argument with John. 335 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: She'd showed up at the shelter and said John had 336 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: kidnapped her son. Because Mohammed was not related to Malvo, 337 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: police returned him to Una. However, when neither Una or 338 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 3: Lee Boyd Malvo could provide any sort of identification. Police 339 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 3: contacted Border patrol and the mother and son were arrested 340 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: on suspicion of having entered the country illegally. Now ten 341 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: months later, the fingerprints from Malvo's arrested Washington State match 342 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: the ones from the Alabama crime scene. Here's retired Montgomery 343 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: Police Lieutenant Michael Myrick again. 344 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: How did Lee Malville from an i ins arrest in Tacoma, 345 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: Washington connect to a shooting in Montgomery, Alabama with a 346 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: rifle off of the Beltway, which is what they have 347 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: in d C. How's all that happening. We have a lead, 348 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: we can at least solve one case in Alabama from 349 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: this information. Is that going to be connected to the 350 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: sniper shooting. I've got no idea if that's the situation 351 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: at all. Well, at the same time, a man in Tacoma, 352 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: Washington called the task force and he said that he 353 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: had had a friend that had left the area that 354 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: was a very militant person, very upset with his domestic situation. 355 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: And he says the guy was very dangerous. He described 356 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: as just being very very unhappy with life. And he 357 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: said it just bothers me that all this is happening. 358 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: My friend's ex wife lives in the DC area. His 359 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: name's John Mohammad. 360 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: The tip was about a man named John Muhammad, the 361 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 3: same name as the man involved in the custody dispute 362 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: over Lee Boyd Malvie, and the tipster had called from 363 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: Washington State, where Lee Boyd Malvau was arrested. 364 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: He says, nothing for nothing, but I'm just you know, 365 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: I just want to let y'all know. Don't want to 366 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: sit on this information. And he said he left with 367 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: an AR fifteen Bushmaster rifle. 368 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: And he mentions how it was extremely important to John 369 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 5: Muhammad to get a silencer for an AR style weapon, 370 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 5: and that he had a young man with him that 371 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: he called sniper. 372 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: And he said they talked about snipers and they played 373 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: sniper games. And he said, you know, I just want 374 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: to pass his information on. Well, now we had a 375 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: very very clear suspect to pursue by name. 376 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: Investigators now had two strong suspects, Lee Boyd Malvo and 377 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: John Muhammad. In Malvo's case, the letter the snipers left 378 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: outside the Ponderosa had led investigators to Derek Beliles, who 379 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: in turn directed them to the Alabama shooting and fingerprints 380 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: from that crime scene matched Lee Boyd Malva. They'd come 381 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: across John Muhammad's name from two different directions. The i 382 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: S report connected Mohammed to Malvo, and then his name 383 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: came up again on a tip line call. Drew Tracy 384 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: was a trained sniper himself, so he wasn't surprised that 385 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: there could be two suspects working together. 386 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 5: Back in nineteen eighty three, I first became involved as 387 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: a SWAT team member and one of the most important 388 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: pieces of the training in a vital part was going 389 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 5: to Sniper observe school. And it's two words, a sniper 390 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 5: and an observer. So you're trained as a marksman and 391 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: you're also trained as an observer. Your main job being 392 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 5: a sniper observer is observing. You have to put yourself 393 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 5: in a position you're not seen. You have to utilize 394 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 5: a different type of optics, and you have to provide good, 395 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: steady and specific information to your team. And the reasoning 396 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 5: for a team aspect and deployment is you can't constantly 397 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 5: be behind the optics of a gun for an extended 398 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 5: period of time, so you want to have two trained 399 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: people that would exchange positions. One could be the observer 400 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 5: while the other one sets up their rifle so they're 401 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 5: ready to take a shot. 402 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: So it could make sense for there to be two 403 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: perpetrators working together, but one acting as the sniper and 404 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: the other observing, picking targets and letting the sniper know 405 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 3: when there weren't any witnesses nearby. The tip line caller 406 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: had also said that John Mohammad owned a bush Master rifle, 407 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: an AR style only that fires two to three rounds, 408 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: the same type of bullets used in the Alabama and 409 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: DC shootings. 410 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 5: Bushmaster XEM fifteen E twos is basically an assault rifle. 411 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 5: It's a high velocity round thirty two hundred feet per second, 412 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 5: so it has the capability of being pretty consistent within 413 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 5: three hundred yards. And I went to basically every scene 414 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 5: in the Washington DC area, and I think the longest 415 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: one was about to hard thirty yards utilizing the site system. 416 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 5: With training, these shots are I wouldn't say easy, but 417 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 5: they're capable with that weapon and a small amount of training. 418 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: And the AR fifteen style assault rifle that John Muhammad 419 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 3: was reported to have was capable of much more than 420 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: firing single shots at a long range. It's a semi 421 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: automatic rifle that can fire up to forty five rounds 422 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: a minute. 423 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: If you look at the latest active shooter situations in 424 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 5: our you'll see an AR fifteen as being the weapon 425 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: of choice. It has the capability of doing great damage. 426 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 5: Law enforcement also carries an AR for patrol nowadays. But 427 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 5: it's interesting many law enforcement departments in this country switched 428 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: over to a rifle program because of October two thousand 429 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 5: and two, the DC sniper incident. And if you think 430 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 5: about it, if you're in patrol with a limited shotgun 431 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 5: or a handgun, you're not going to have the capability 432 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 5: to go against a rifle threat. One of the things 433 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 5: that kind of scared me each one of these situations 434 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 5: was one shot. It wasn't the second shot, it was 435 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 5: one shot, which led me to believe it was military training. 436 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 5: So that greatly concerned me. And if you think about it, 437 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 5: one shot, what is that showing? One shot is telling 438 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 5: me that they're in control. And that scared us, and 439 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 5: it scared me. 440 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: Who were John Mohammad and Lee Boyd Malvo? And how 441 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 3: was this forty year old American connected to a seventeen 442 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: year old Jamaican boy. Investigators needed to find out as 443 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: much about them as possible, and if they were the sneipers, 444 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: investigators needed to find them fast before they killed. Again. 445 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: Here's former FBI agent Linda Hooper again. 446 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 6: So we were putting together a lot of information on 447 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: these two individuals. It certainly looked like they were two 448 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 6: viable suspects in this case, but we had no information 449 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 6: that they were in Maryland, Virginia, or Washington, DC area 450 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 6: at all. Well, when we were investigating John Mohammad, we 451 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 6: discovered that he was divorced and his wife, she had 452 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 6: a restraining order against him. I found out that she 453 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 6: was living in the area, and so I sent two 454 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 6: people over to interview her. 455 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 7: Me and my children were having dinner and FBI knock 456 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 7: on my door and they said, so, when was the 457 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 7: last time you've seen John Alan Mohammad, and my palms 458 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 7: began sweating. I am Mildred Muhammad, I'm an award winning 459 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 7: global keynote speaker, and my former husband was John Ali Mohammad, 460 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 7: whom you all know to be the DC Sniper. 461 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: Next time, I'm Monster DC Sniper. We'll explore the backstories 462 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: of John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malva. 463 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 7: Everybody loved John because he was jovial. He was that guy. 464 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 7: He would be gone. She had a list where he 465 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 7: was supposed to go for the day, and then she 466 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 7: started getting phone calls him not being there. 467 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 5: I misread his character. 468 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: You know, he has a good slide and a bad slide. 469 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 7: He was accused of trying to kill O soldiers. 470 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: You know, I think that they kept a lot of 471 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: the shit. 472 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 7: He was going to kill me and it was going 473 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 7: to be a headshot, and I could not get anybody 474 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 7: to believe me. 475 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: Monster DC Sniper is a fifteen episode podcast hosted by 476 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: Tony Harris and produced by iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. 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