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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
Speaker 3: you are here and that makes this the stuff they
Speaker 3: don't want you to know. It's almost the most wonderful
Speaker 3: time of the year. We hurtle headlong toward Halloween, and
Speaker 3: the news just continues to grow stranger and stranger. Like
Speaker 3: the old way we're talking about. The best excuse pre
Speaker 3: COVID to get out of any social obligation is just
Speaker 3: a respond I can't make it. I have become strange.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening with the news. So much so, in fact,
Speaker 3: that we decided we would do something a little bit
Speaker 3: different this evening. We for this week's Strange News segment.
Speaker 3: We're going to start with some updates, just some mentions
Speaker 3: of things that have happened that we've had our eye
Speaker 3: on that you have doubtlessly heard a little bit about
Speaker 3: we're going to explore AI lawsuits. Tom Hanks, America's cool stepdad,
Speaker 3: finally got mad about something. We're going to see that.
Speaker 3: Arizona has also canceled that incredibly controversial Saudi Arabian water
Speaker 3: extraction project. There's a serial killer in Thailand. The qan
Speaker 3: on queens moving into real estate. That Kansas newspaper that
Speaker 3: got raided has some more updates. But maybe you know
Speaker 3: space junk always, but maybe we start with an update
Speaker 3: on the murder of Tupac chikor.
Speaker 2: Sure, as we're recording today. On October four, last Friday,
Speaker 2: the state of Nevada, they had a grand jury who
Speaker 2: officially indicted a person in the murder of Tupac. It's incredible.
Speaker 4: It's incredible too, because you know, I remember this from
Speaker 4: my childhood. You know, this story was obviously huge, but
Speaker 4: I had completely forgotten that it took place outside the
Speaker 4: MGM grand on the Vegas Strip where we all recently were,
Speaker 4: and it was obviously a huge deal to anyone that was,
Speaker 4: you know, living there, playing there, going to college there
Speaker 4: at the time.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: And the person who was indicted officially his name is
Speaker 2: Dwayne Davis. He's sixty years old. He's also known as
Speaker 2: Keith d And yeah, he was been indicted with one
Speaker 2: count of murder with a deadly weapon. And I guess
Speaker 2: the story here makes me wonder why it took so
Speaker 2: long to have some kind of action, because allegedly there
Speaker 2: was footage of the interior of the casino where Tupac
Speaker 2: was involved, as well as a bunch of other people
Speaker 2: involved in an altercation with this person they've arrested, nephew,
Speaker 2: and that is supposedly the reason that Tupac was shot
Speaker 2: in the first place.
Speaker 3: But Davis is not the trigger man.
Speaker 2: No, he's just the person alive.
Speaker 3: He's like the producer of the assassination.
Speaker 4: Well, and if we learned anything from our What Casinos
Speaker 4: Don't want you to know episode, it's that these places,
Speaker 4: even back in the day, you know next level surveillance.
Speaker 4: So to your point, Matt, you got to wonder why
Speaker 4: this didn't come to light sooner given all of that,
Speaker 4: you know, footage that must exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it had a lot to do with the book
Speaker 2: that was published not long ago that gave some insight
Speaker 2: into what happened.
Speaker 3: Basically, questions still remain regarding the specifics and that point
Speaker 3: about the timeline, I think is is a big question.
Speaker 3: One of the instructive things about this, or illustrative things,
Speaker 3: is that it helps us realize that these cases don't
Speaker 3: stop just because they're not immediately in a four minute
Speaker 3: news burst every day or every week. And I want
Speaker 3: to shout out again some of those excellent letters we
Speaker 3: got from members of law enforcement. There was that one
Speaker 3: fantastic point that people kept iterating, which is it's not
Speaker 3: necessarily that celebrities get more law enforcement work done on
Speaker 3: their cases. It's that the public does a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff and sometimes finds things that would ordinarily not be found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very true. You got a couple quotes here
Speaker 2: from a BBC News article that was written titled Tupac
Speaker 2: Shakur Dwayne Davis charged with the nineteen ninety six murder
Speaker 2: of Rapper and down here we've got some quotations from
Speaker 2: people like Greg Cating, I think is how you would
Speaker 2: say it. He's a retired LAPD detective who worked on
Speaker 2: this case for years and years and years. He told
Speaker 2: the AP he's not surprised about mister Davis's arrest. Quote,
Speaker 2: and this is what I was kind of referring to here,
Speaker 2: quote all the other direct conspirators or participants are all dead,
Speaker 2: and he said mister Davis was literally quote the last
Speaker 2: man standing in the case to be charged. So it
Speaker 2: is in a way almost a ceremonial charging. Even though
Speaker 2: they also say there's a prosecutor named Mark Dia Giacomo,
Speaker 2: which really interesting name. They said that this guy was
Speaker 2: basically a leader of a gang called the South Side
Speaker 2: Compton Crips, and he was basically or he's being described
Speaker 2: at least as a commander the person, as you said,
Speaker 2: Ben orchestrated the thing, put the hit out on Tupac
Speaker 2: as a direct result of the altercation in the casino.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, so there was you know, I mean, obviously
Speaker 4: a lot of conjecture was that this was related to
Speaker 4: blood feuds between East Coast and West Coasts, you know
Speaker 4: scenes and obviously the notorious Big Biggie Smalls was also killed,
Speaker 4: and this sort of runs counter to that. It seems like,
Speaker 4: you know, Tupac, who is a West Coast rapper, was
Speaker 4: taken out by West Coast gang.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly does seem that way. And again because
Speaker 2: of some whatever the altercation was about. I haven't read
Speaker 2: enough to like be able to speak on why they
Speaker 2: fought in the casino that day. But it seems like
Speaker 2: something small like that. I don't know, it's tough to
Speaker 2: imagine that it can lead to the death of someone
Speaker 2: as popular and well known as Tupac.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, that feels like it feels like
Speaker 3: those deaths do arise with small things when egos come
Speaker 3: into play, and oftentimes people who make a big deal
Speaker 3: about demanding respect are crazy reluctant to give it in return,
Speaker 3: So very small things can escalate very quickly. Generally, feel Yeah,
Speaker 3: when people feel that they're they have somehow been disrespected
Speaker 3: or not treated well, even if they're not treating the
Speaker 3: other people well. So, as you said, questions remain more
Speaker 3: will probably come to light, to shift to or pivot,
Speaker 3: as Corporate America says, to something that might be a
Speaker 3: bit of a good strange news update. Remember Fondo Mante,
Speaker 3: that Saudi Arabian company that came to Arizona and started
Speaker 3: stealing all the water.
Speaker 2: How could I forget the alfalfa?
Speaker 3: It's all we talk about, right, Yeah, they've been accused
Speaker 3: of water resource extraction because they had a six hundred
Speaker 3: and forty acre lease in a place called Butler Valley,
Speaker 3: and just recently, perhaps due to public pressure, the government
Speaker 3: of Arizona said they're going to terminate that lease. They're
Speaker 3: essentially going to kick this Saudi Arabian company out. And
Speaker 3: the big question is does that set a precedent? Should
Speaker 3: that be a thing that governments can do. Like we've
Speaker 3: also been getting a lot of letters about, you know,
Speaker 3: foreign based proxies for different countries buying up land here
Speaker 3: in the United States or in other parts of the world.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think should a government be able
Speaker 3: to do that to say, like get out, Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you've got a precious resource like waters in aquifers
Speaker 2: below land and some other country comes in and buys
Speaker 2: hundreds of acres, I mean, and they're accessing that water
Speaker 2: and then taking it out of the state, out of
Speaker 2: even the country, maybe yeah, I think you should be
Speaker 2: able to say nah stuff.
Speaker 4: And I think a part of the conversation we had
Speaker 4: about this recently in terms of like does it go
Speaker 4: both ways?
Speaker 3: You know, like where it seems like the US is.
Speaker 4: More prone, maybe because of capitalism or whatever, to allow
Speaker 4: these types of deals to go down, whereas other countries
Speaker 4: are a little bit more national realistic about that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. Maybe there are isolated cases in other countries
Speaker 4: that I'm not aware of, but that certainly seemed to
Speaker 4: be the takeaway from our conversation that it's a lot
Speaker 4: easier for big foreign interest to do that here than.
Speaker 3: It is, you know, the other way around. M H.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a global aspect to it as well,
Speaker 3: when we talk about resource extraction. If a country like
Speaker 3: the US can do this, and you know, personally I agree,
Speaker 3: I think that's a smart move long term, then shouldn't
Speaker 3: other less developed countries be afforded the same rights? Should
Speaker 3: in the countries on the African continent be able to
Speaker 3: just say get out with all without all of a
Speaker 3: sudden having a coup, Shout out Wagner, shout out US
Speaker 3: trained militaries.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to become more of a pressing issue,
Speaker 3: you know, to your point all about our earlier conversation,
Speaker 3: it's going to become more of a pressing issue as
Speaker 3: global events become more chaotic and as resources become more precious.
Speaker 3: I also looked into the desalination science that we talked
Speaker 3: about previously, and it's a hard problem. I don't think
Speaker 3: there's a way to make it cheaper. Further, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys. I want to sound nihilistic,
Speaker 3: but I don't know whether humanity could responsibly use cheap
Speaker 3: desalination technology without also destroying the ocean is the issue.
Speaker 4: My understanding has been that it just requires a lot
Speaker 4: of power, and massive power source. So it's almost like
Speaker 4: the you know, six one, a half dozen the other.
Speaker 4: You've got the thing, but you're also, you know, expending
Speaker 4: insane amounts of other resources to make the thing happen,
Speaker 4: and you have to question whether the trade off is
Speaker 4: actually worth it or not at scale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you would use fossil fuel, so you
Speaker 3: increase fossil fuel dependence, so you might be helping in
Speaker 3: one way while you're hurting in another.
Speaker 2: Guys, we've talked about Davos before or and recently there's
Speaker 2: been a video circulating of a twenty nineteen talk that
Speaker 2: somebody named Rutger Bregman gave where he discussed, Hey, we're
Speaker 2: over here talking about all of these initiatives to help
Speaker 2: the climate, all of these all these philanthropy initiatives, all
Speaker 2: this stuff, but we're not talking about taxes. Nobody's talking
Speaker 2: about taxes, and everybody here flew in on their private jets,
Speaker 2: you know, as heads of these major corporations, but nobody
Speaker 2: wants to talk about actually paying the correct tax price
Speaker 2: so that state governments and countries have the amount of
Speaker 2: operating funding to do things like build a desalination plant
Speaker 2: or one hundred and not have to worry about that
Speaker 2: it costs a lot because it's being funded by the
Speaker 2: companies that operate in these areas.
Speaker 3: I don't know, ye know, it's kind of funny, not
Speaker 3: just sort of similar.
Speaker 4: I maybe a good a good thing that Coldplay has done.
Speaker 4: They did this whole initiative with their most recent tour
Speaker 4: where they made a pledge to reduce the emissions of
Speaker 4: this giant touring operation touring organization, and I think the
Speaker 4: takeaway was that they did okay, that it wasn't exactly
Speaker 4: what they wanted, but I think they even went as
Speaker 4: far as to say they're not going to tour again
Speaker 4: in the near future because they found it too difficult
Speaker 4: to make as big of an impact as they wanted to.
Speaker 3: And it's an interesting point.
Speaker 4: You've got these these billionaires going to Davos. Presumably you know,
Speaker 4: an event that's a summit that's meant to better the world.
Speaker 4: But yet you've got these folks just expending massive amounts
Speaker 4: of resources for very personal reasons. It doesn't quite line
Speaker 4: up with the stated goals, you know, and good on
Speaker 4: Coldplay for doing that. And to be honest, surely there
Speaker 4: are many other people who would want to emulate that
Speaker 4: action or that intention. But the truth of the matter
Speaker 4: is Coldplay is a massive commercial succes so they kind
Speaker 4: of have the privilege of saying we're not going to
Speaker 4: tour until we figure.
Speaker 3: Out a way that we are comfortable doing it. So
Speaker 3: but good on them. I think that's really cool. And
Speaker 3: so with with that, Coldplay has earned the the highly
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Speaker 3: Stamp of Approval, Metal of Freedom, the Medal of Conspiratorial Freedom.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna take a moment of reflection on our
Speaker 3: pals at cold Play. While we do that, let's go
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Speaker 3: update from our neighbors to the North. No spoilers, but
Speaker 3: it's a doozy.
Speaker 4: And we're back with another something in the way of
Speaker 4: an update. It's been a little while since Romana di.
Speaker 3: Doulo or Diddulo has been in the news.
Speaker 4: Y'all may remember from strange news pasts strange news past.
Speaker 4: There is a couple of interesting stories. This is a
Speaker 4: I believe, a person of Filipino origin who is a
Speaker 4: Canadian who has who made a lot of noise as
Speaker 4: a kind of real figurehead in the QAnon movement, which
Speaker 4: itself has sort of not been as much in the
Speaker 4: news lately, but that doesn't mean that's not still you know,
Speaker 4: top of mine for a lot of folks.
Speaker 3: And this, uh, this deduo who's.
Speaker 4: Known as the QAnon Queen, tried to declare herself the
Speaker 4: official Queen of Canada, the true Queen of Canada. Is
Speaker 4: a big fan of commondeering stuff. I believe one of
Speaker 4: the past stories involved a bus or a van of
Speaker 4: some kind that she used and never returned. I believe
Speaker 4: it was a rental van that just was like, no,
Speaker 4: it's mine now, the QAnon Queen, you can't touch me.
Speaker 4: I can't quite remember where that would shook out, but
Speaker 4: apparently she's still up to her old shenanigans again now
Speaker 4: in the form of taking control or I guess you
Speaker 4: could say, squatting with some of her followers in an
Speaker 4: abandoned school in a rural part of Saskatchewan. Just a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, or a little less than a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, Romana didulo the QAnon queen came
Speaker 4: to rich Richmond m O U N D.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's probably just pronounced Richmond, Saskatchewan. Rolled into
Speaker 4: town with some of her followers in a convoy. Again
Speaker 4: like previously, I think, you know, case in point with
Speaker 4: the whole stolen minivan situation. Like it's sort of like
Speaker 4: road warrior type stuff. It seems like they're like this
Speaker 4: nomadic kind of sect. I guess of this QAnon.
Speaker 3: Let's just be real cult because they keep getting kicked
Speaker 3: out of places.
Speaker 4: They keep getting kicked out of places, so probably best
Speaker 4: to stay on the move. But now old old Romana
Speaker 4: has decided to settle down in this abandoned school that
Speaker 4: has sat empty for.
Speaker 3: Quite some time.
Speaker 4: I want to say almost ten years, eleven years the
Speaker 4: school has been closed and now these you know folks
Speaker 4: have kind of taken up residents there, and Brad Miller,
Speaker 4: who is the mayor of Richmond told Vice News in
Speaker 4: an article by mac Limoureau, which was what I used
Speaker 4: for research on this story, also has some great outbound links.
Speaker 4: Had this to say about the incidents.
Speaker 3: I guess the.
Speaker 4: Ongoing I don't know, it's starting to feel like almost
Speaker 4: like an Aimon Bundy thing, like it could it could
Speaker 4: go there. It feels like it could, yeah, it could
Speaker 4: go that direction, or like David Kerr kind of thing. Again,
Speaker 4: we haven't seen violence directly out of this group, but
Speaker 4: people are a little freaked out. This is what Brad Miller,
Speaker 4: the mayor of Richmond, had to say to Vice News.
Speaker 4: The families are afraid to let their kids go to
Speaker 4: the park, which I totally agree with. I asked a
Speaker 4: kid the other day when he thought about this, and
Speaker 4: he said, I'm not going to play there too. Scary
Speaker 4: when you see the lights on at the school. So
Speaker 4: I guess, on the one hand, it's creepy because it's
Speaker 4: been abandoned for so long and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: there's something going on there. And the kids know that
Speaker 4: it's not quote unquote legitimate, it's not a proper school,
Speaker 4: and they are these kind of I guess, rebel type forces.
Speaker 4: These sort of like I don't know, separatists, individuals not
Speaker 4: associated with the town, not associated with the government, just kind.
Speaker 3: Of hanging out there.
Speaker 4: Apparently they're like posted up on the roof of the school,
Speaker 4: like surveilling the townsfolk with you know, video cameras and
Speaker 4: stuff or their phones or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's super, super weird. It's also it's a
Speaker 3: dying town, right. I do believe that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't get into too too much background about this
Speaker 4: about the town itself, but I do believe you're correct, Ben, This,
Speaker 4: you know, QAnon or Dodolo rather is entirely funded, you know,
Speaker 4: by this group of her followers. She is very well
Speaker 4: known for asking for money all the time, you know,
Speaker 4: on social media. There was a thing I think that
Speaker 4: where she was like had some sort of private telegram
Speaker 4: channel or something like that where it was just for
Speaker 4: communication directly with her followers, and I believe some of
Speaker 4: the past stories there are some screenshots about that, and
Speaker 4: she likes to do videos and it's just you know,
Speaker 4: pretty radical, not like in a Ninja Turtles kind of way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very strange, and I could see how this would
Speaker 4: feel a little in intimidating, you know, for the for
Speaker 4: the kids not to mention them, you know, and their
Speaker 4: parents and the government, and it sure seems like they
Speaker 4: don't quite know what to do about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really confused because who owns the building, who
Speaker 2: owns the property that the school is on. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that it was a county school, right, that's all the municipality.
Speaker 3: But there's the the reason we're asking about I'm asking
Speaker 3: about Dying Town too, is because I suspect the school
Speaker 3: has been closed down despite being county property, because there
Speaker 3: is a lack of teachers, which is a problem that
Speaker 3: rural Canada as well as Alaska have been struggling with
Speaker 3: for years. So there's surely there's legal action. I don't
Speaker 3: know what squatters' rights are like in Canada, but if
Speaker 3: there anything like Europe or some parts of the US,
Speaker 3: then you have to have an established presence for X
Speaker 3: amount of years or something. So surely they have like
Speaker 3: the schools closed before, the law enforcement places closed when
Speaker 3: a town is depopulating, So surely there could be someone
Speaker 3: who can roll up there and say you don't own this.
Speaker 4: I think only around two hundred citizens in this town, which.
Speaker 3: Is ghost town material and adulation has been declining too, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 4: And you know this, this fear, this unease is not
Speaker 4: without reason. Like we know a lot of folks in
Speaker 4: this kind of movement tend to do, is issue sort
Speaker 4: of thinly veiled threats, you know, using terms like the
Speaker 4: lame stream media and all this stuff. And in videos
Speaker 4: that Dedulo and some of her close followers, there was
Speaker 4: actually a nine hour live stream that was specifically for
Speaker 4: the benefit of the locals. I think this was in
Speaker 4: response to a rally that was held by the locals
Speaker 4: to try to get them out of there.
Speaker 3: What was the protest side, Please leave our town and
Speaker 3: let our children come out. And that's way so polite,
Speaker 3: that's so Canadian. I do love that. I love them.
Speaker 3: Please Didula and her followers made a sign of their own.
Speaker 3: They made kind of a.
Speaker 4: Makeshift cardboard billboard that had a list of reasons that
Speaker 4: the locals should start following her, should join up. You know,
Speaker 4: I mean, she's she's looking to exploit all of the
Speaker 4: things that we're talking about, this sort of dying town,
Speaker 4: maybe some desperation you know, felt by the locals. So yeah,
Speaker 4: and also, you know, again, lamestream media saying this town
Speaker 4: has fallen victim to the lamestream media and all this stuff,
Speaker 4: attacking reporters including Vice News, you know who have Actually
Speaker 4: I believe most of the stories in the past were
Speaker 4: from Vice News who have covered you know, Dedulo and
Speaker 4: her kind of followers.
Speaker 3: In the past.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's let's see. One of the second in command,
Speaker 4: I believe, someone known as Darlene Andy said in the
Speaker 4: live stream, these village folks bought into the lie after
Speaker 4: lie after lie by the paid for bought soul journalists
Speaker 4: and mainstream media infiltraders and traders.
Speaker 3: It's time to grow up, y'all. I like the work play, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still don't understand because everything feels so passive aggressive
Speaker 2: to me, Like with standing in front of the property
Speaker 2: and be like no, go away, and then them standing
Speaker 2: up or taking a trip into town saying I'm gonna
Speaker 2: film you local people and we're watching you Like what.
Speaker 3: That's classic cult behavior?
Speaker 2: But what the heck?
Speaker 3: Man Like, it reminds me of wild Country. But yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: what the heck? Why not? Why not just send in
Speaker 3: the stormtroopers?
Speaker 2: Well a sheriff, A sheriff that says, hey, uh, you
Speaker 2: have the you have the papers for living here. Do
Speaker 2: you do you own this property?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh you don't. Oh you're paying an electric bill. That's
Speaker 2: where the squatter's rights could be a problem, because there
Speaker 2: is electricity in the building.
Speaker 3: So running water or other amenities to my understanding.
Speaker 2: But again, even if you're in a small dying town,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you can get help from the state level,
Speaker 2: like you could. I bet there's a marshal or some
Speaker 2: kind of service that would that would help out a
Speaker 2: small town in need.
Speaker 4: I guess a lot of people are spooked by this
Speaker 4: whole koresh idea, this whole Imanbundie idea, like if you
Speaker 4: start to bring in the heavies, who knows if these
Speaker 4: folks are armed. There isn't any mention of that, but
Speaker 4: it's hard to know. They did roll out a wire
Speaker 4: like that sort of was their like line of demarcation,
Speaker 4: like like almost like challenging the townsfolk.
Speaker 3: To cross it.
Speaker 4: This wire which is very close to this park that's
Speaker 4: being referenced. And you know, according to to Wess and
Speaker 4: some of the great research they've done are reporting they've
Speaker 4: done in speaking to former members of this cult, it's
Speaker 4: a very abusive situation, traveling very like caravan style, like
Speaker 4: a you know, kind of like this nomadic culture. A
Speaker 4: lot of you know, classic cult behavior, emotional and verbal abuse, othering,
Speaker 4: cutting people off from their families, trying to turn people
Speaker 4: against each other, all of that stuff. And you know,
Speaker 4: it would seem all of this at the behest of Didulo, who,
Speaker 4: you know, like many cult leaders, is operating at their
Speaker 4: own whims, you know, and much to the downfall of
Speaker 4: those that choose to follow them. You know, it's pretty
Speaker 4: scary stuff. I like the isolated I like.
Speaker 3: The idea of a protest barbecue. Though shout out to
Speaker 3: the mayor that's in the Vice article you linked. And again,
Speaker 3: you know, to the questions that we're asking, which I
Speaker 3: think are very reasonable questions. We have to remember, as
Speaker 3: you said, it's not quite been two weeks, right, or
Speaker 3: it's been like I think this news article was from
Speaker 3: last week Advice maybe like five days ago or something,
Speaker 3: so it's it feels like it's almost certain that the
Speaker 3: local county forces, the mayor, the municipality and so on,
Speaker 3: have put out the call right for some support. So
Speaker 3: I imagine that their will that this is an unsustainable situation.
Speaker 3: There will will come a time when they leave or
Speaker 3: forced to leave. That is a precedent that this group
Speaker 3: is set, and it might be portrayed as a vision
Speaker 3: on behalf of the leader, right, that wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: And there's an image on the Vice article of this
Speaker 4: protest and there's like fifteen people, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how many people are in Dedulo's coterie.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than that,
Speaker 4: but it's not quite clear.
Speaker 3: I do remember.
Speaker 4: Something's coming back to mind that you guys will probably
Speaker 4: remember too, is one of the calls that Didulo made
Speaker 4: in some of our videos was for people to not
Speaker 4: pay their mortgages and to stop paying their bills because
Speaker 4: they she's the Queen of Canada and basically has you know,
Speaker 4: unilateral power to say you.
Speaker 3: Don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 4: And that resulted in a lot of folks believing this
Speaker 4: and having their power shut off.
Speaker 3: So I'm even losing their homes and there is you know, again,
Speaker 3: this is just this is from.
Speaker 4: The Vice article, and I think very important to end
Speaker 4: with is that within a lot of this rhetoric, there's
Speaker 4: kind of this like veiled threat of violence to anyone
Speaker 4: that might oppose her and to anyone who might defect
Speaker 4: from her.
Speaker 3: So there you go. It's a weird one. This kind
Speaker 3: of gives me the willies. I don't know about y'all,
Speaker 3: but what do you.
Speaker 4: Say we take a quick break and hear another word
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Speaker 3: a good one about what we wanted to start with.
Speaker 3: We need to give you an update about that kans
Speaker 3: newspaper that got raided due to small town Facebook drama
Speaker 3: with a restaurant owner who people were lying about different
Speaker 3: charges and he got very messy very quickly. Check out
Speaker 3: our strange news on that. The update that we were
Speaker 3: talking about earlier this week is the police chief there,
Speaker 3: Gideon Cody, has been suspended by the mayor. This all
Speaker 3: dates back to the August eleventh, probably illegal searches of
Speaker 3: the newspaper, the Marion County Record, and the private home
Speaker 3: of its publisher.
Speaker 4: So something was the issue in the first place, that
Speaker 4: or the allegations that maybe we're circulating as to why
Speaker 4: he did this.
Speaker 3: It's been a minute, I kind of don't remember.
Speaker 2: Allegedly, the paper accessed personal records right illegally, probably through
Speaker 2: like the white pages or something, which is not illegal,
Speaker 2: and said some disparaging thing about this rest local restaurant owner.
Speaker 2: The restaurant owner kind of pulled, not pulled strings that
Speaker 2: had sway had influence maybe yeah.
Speaker 3: Pushed say juice some section, as I believe he said
Speaker 3: last week. Yeah, what's that from the wire? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: So it looks again like the small town corruption that
Speaker 3: is unfortunately not uncommon, not just in the United States
Speaker 3: but across the world. And this time it's interesting because
Speaker 3: the mayor originally said, who would wait for the results
Speaker 3: from a state level police investigation, and now he has
Speaker 3: perhaps read the room, said okay, well we're going to
Speaker 3: suspend you because he doesn't want to be on the
Speaker 3: wrong side of this.
Speaker 2: And then last Saturday, as we're recording this, on October fourth,
Speaker 2: the police chief who was suspended decided to resign and
Speaker 2: made basically I guess send internal communications to the mayor,
Speaker 2: and then the mayor made the announcement.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, him learning how to read the room real quick, good,
Speaker 3: good job, you can't fire me. I quit. Classic, classic
Speaker 3: words from a real winner. I said it. So we've
Speaker 3: got other things here that we wanted to get to.
Speaker 3: One that is a nice compliment to our Space Race
Speaker 3: episode which came out recently. We talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about space junk in that episode. We have to talk
Speaker 3: about space junk whatever. We mentioned near Earth orbit because
Speaker 3: you guys, if the galaxy is a suburb and the
Speaker 3: Solar System is like a little cul de sac street,
Speaker 3: we are in the crappy house. We're in the trashy one.
Speaker 3: We catch it all over the yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, that's right. But don't worry. The FCC
Speaker 2: is coming in with the cleanup crew. They're the Federal
Speaker 2: cleanup crew. That's that's what the FCC stands for now.
Speaker 2: So guess what what? They just issued their first ever
Speaker 2: fine force AACE debris issues.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Seriously. There's an article from BBC News you can read
Speaker 2: it was. It was posted October third title US issues
Speaker 2: first ever fine for space junk to dish network.
Speaker 3: Dish networks like the FCC won't let me be let
Speaker 3: be well done. Wait does network still a thing. Yes, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just I had Dish Network back in the day
Speaker 3: and as long as the weather was right, you could
Speaker 3: see some amazing things.
Speaker 2: There's still a dish on the house that I recently got.
Speaker 2: It's sitting out there. I haven't taken a wrench to
Speaker 2: it yet to take it down.
Speaker 3: But in HK Man, n HK is the best public
Speaker 3: television on the planet New Hampshire. I wish it's it's
Speaker 3: Japan's like Japan's PBSS.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm still I don't want to Does it have
Speaker 2: any of the game shows on it?
Speaker 3: I hope so? Uh, yes it has anytime I'm there. Uh,
Speaker 3: it is just it's hypnotic because you know, we're not
Speaker 3: to date ourselves, folks, but all four of us on
Speaker 3: the show this evening, and probably you listen along at
Speaker 3: home are old enough to remember local public access TV
Speaker 3: and how nuts and hypnotic that was. NHK is like
Speaker 3: that on a professional level, and they do have what
Speaker 3: I think are games. Uh sometimes I don't understands.
Speaker 4: Are always a little amorphous, I think maybe to a
Speaker 4: foreign audience.
Speaker 3: So is this a thing though? Are you serious?
Speaker 4: But like, if you have can you get satellite dish
Speaker 4: access through Dish Network. To like programming from other countries.
Speaker 2: You need an uplink, got to get the satellite uplink.
Speaker 3: Well you can. Yeah, just denied is what the FCC says. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are different ways to act. First off, as you know,
Speaker 3: of folks, we are huge proponents of accessing media sources
Speaker 3: that are not from the West. It is incredibly important
Speaker 3: to do so. For instance, the Al Jazeerra you see
Speaker 3: here in the United States, it's not the Al Jazera
Speaker 3: other parts of the world see. It's an important distinction.
Speaker 3: But as for Dish Network, for your question, I think
Speaker 3: it goes to the big question for Matt, is Dish
Speaker 3: Network going to be able to afford to be a
Speaker 3: company anymore after this? Egregious?
Speaker 2: Fine, dude, they're going down so hard for this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you the stats here. The FCC find
Speaker 2: Dish Network a whopping one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Now we're filiar one thousand dollars for failing to move
Speaker 2: an old Echo Star seven satellite far enough away from
Speaker 2: other satellites that are in use. This is important. This
Speaker 2: satellite was launched in two thousand and two the year
Speaker 2: in which.
Speaker 3: I graduated high school.
Speaker 2: This guy graduated high school too, And so for twenty
Speaker 2: years it was kind of doing its thing. But the
Speaker 2: plan was for Dish network to move that satellite one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty six miles further from Earth, but they
Speaker 2: were only able to move it seventy six miles in
Speaker 2: the over the course of twenty years, which means it
Speaker 2: is seriously in danger of impacting other satellites and it
Speaker 2: is no longer in use. So it's just a dead sat.
Speaker 2: It's not dead, but it's essentially impact.
Speaker 3: It's a bullet waiting to hit a target, but not
Speaker 3: just a mallus of space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, I want to give you this for context.
Speaker 2: This is a quote from the head of NASA, Bill Nelson,
Speaker 2: when we're talking about space debris and how how big
Speaker 2: of a problem it is. He says, quote, even a
Speaker 2: paint chip, Guys, a paint coming in the wrong direction
Speaker 2: at orbital speed, which is seventeen five hundred miles per hour,
Speaker 2: could hit an astronaut doing a spacewalk and it could
Speaker 2: be fatal. So now imagine a satellite. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: how big the satellite is it's got components, it's got metal.
Speaker 2: If it hits another piece of metal going that fast,
Speaker 2: it does what you were talking about on the episode
Speaker 2: we just did, Ben, that shrapnel begets more shrapnel, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, just like in a horror film. The problem with
Speaker 3: fighting zombies is that everybody on your side who is
Speaker 3: bitten becomes a zombie themselves. So every time this think
Speaker 3: of them as bullets. Every time one of the bullets
Speaker 3: out there in space hits another one, a it's like
Speaker 3: a gun that turns targets into other guns.
Speaker 2: But thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more guns.
Speaker 4: I'm picturing like a final destination in space scenario with
Speaker 4: that paint chip situation, just like a ripping through the
Speaker 4: astronauts head in elaborate three D gore effects.
Speaker 3: I have to ask, though, Matt.
Speaker 4: This one hundred and fifty thousand dollars five laughable considering
Speaker 4: what we're gonna get to. I think when we close,
Speaker 4: about how much money this company is worth. Surely moving
Speaker 4: the satellite or you know, getting it back to Earth,
Speaker 4: which seems out of the question, would cost way more
Speaker 4: than one hundred and fifty k.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a satellite that lost it. It has no
Speaker 2: more fuel, so we cannot move itself. So you would
Speaker 2: have to send a mission up to latch onto it
Speaker 2: in some way and move it physically.
Speaker 3: Millions of dollars. There's millions of dollars. It's one satellite, Michael,
Speaker 3: how much could it cost? And yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: this is going to be something we returned to. If
Speaker 3: you haven't checked out our Space Race episode, please do,
Speaker 3: and please check out our earlier episode from few years
Speaker 3: back on the militarization of space, because just to be
Speaker 3: very clear, beat me here, doc, it is going to happen.
Speaker 3: It is going to happen. There is there, There are
Speaker 3: no great precedents for us to look at in this case,
Speaker 3: but every kind of precedent we have shows us that
Speaker 3: this is going to happen.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Oh my gosh. Well, and just if
Speaker 2: we can get things past the space debris field, because
Speaker 2: there are an estimated ten thousand satellites going around whipping
Speaker 2: around above us right now, going seventeen thousand something miles
Speaker 2: per hour, and only about half of them are active,
Speaker 2: are actually communicating and doing their thing, so about five
Speaker 2: thousand are just just rocky space space ghosts. I love
Speaker 2: that Okay, so how do we do we think the
Speaker 2: FCC will be able to prevent this kind of thing
Speaker 2: from happening in the future, which it is kind of
Speaker 2: a science problem more than a policy problem. When it
Speaker 2: comes to a satellite losing its fuel. It's in a way.
Speaker 3: Multiple people, I think, so, multiple entities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if the FCC can slap one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars fine on a big company, maybe it'll
Speaker 2: catch on. Because you know, Dish Network last year only
Speaker 2: made sixteen point seven billion dollars, So like, gosh, one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand on that amount is really gonna hurt.
Speaker 2: That's about zero zero zero eight nine percent.
Speaker 3: They're gonna lose their minds in the boardroom. But uh,
Speaker 3: this so this is a developing story. We are going
Speaker 3: to inevitably return to this. We'd love to hear what
Speaker 3: you think about space finds. I love adding the word
Speaker 3: space to the front of stuff. It's the best. It's fun.
Speaker 4: Okay, silver lining ish though, it's something right, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Just putting it in the news.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have known the Dish Network even still existed. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm out of the loop, but I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of times, Like you said, these things are sort of
Speaker 4: ceremonial fines, and it sort of hopefully causes some policy
Speaker 4: change or causes folks to not want to have bad publicity.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't necessarily know, but.
Speaker 2: That that's that's if you read the articles that are
Speaker 2: floating around. That's that's what people are hoping is the
Speaker 2: best case scenario. It gets pressed and people will notice. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then in addition, now, because so much of jurisprudence
Speaker 3: is based on past rulings, now there is a way
Speaker 3: to point to something in the past and say, remember,
Speaker 3: we prove this is a no no. So you how
Speaker 3: much money does your company make? Okay, well, you guys,
Speaker 3: o us point zerosie rosie rosie rosiero whatever percent of
Speaker 3: that mm hmm, go forth and be good. Right, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Speaking of speaking of things to your point, Noe that
Speaker 3: don't get in the news, like to take just a
Speaker 3: little bit of time and tell you guys about a
Speaker 3: very disturbing true crime situation. May not be appropriate for
Speaker 3: all listeners, but I haven't seen a ton about this
Speaker 3: reported in a lot of Western news. According to the
Speaker 3: government of Thailand, they have just caught and convicted the
Speaker 3: most prolific serial killer in the country's modern history. This
Speaker 3: is a spooky story. It's a story of a female
Speaker 3: serial killer, Sarawat Wrangsi with a pond and pardon not
Speaker 3: native Thai speakers. But what you need to know is
Speaker 3: her street name is Am. She has been called Am
Speaker 3: cyanide because over the course of several years, she routinely
Speaker 3: used poison to mimic heart attacks in her victims. She's
Speaker 3: killed at least fourteen people in eight different provinces think
Speaker 3: of like states of Thailand. And she did it by
Speaker 3: mixing cyanide into their food.
Speaker 2: Wow, why does she have a motive?
Speaker 3: Was she?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, why gambling?
Speaker 3: Debts? Apparently people to whom she owed money or people
Speaker 3: that she was attempting to defraud. Similar to like how
Speaker 3: HH Holmes who gets romanticized. Let's be frank, the US
Speaker 3: romanticizes serial murders. HH Holmes was killing people partially because
Speaker 3: it got off on it, but partially because of this
Speaker 3: huge financial incentive. So apparentlym had an issue with gambling
Speaker 3: and would get deep into gambling and then would reach
Speaker 3: out to people in her circle that she had befriended
Speaker 3: somehow and then invite them to dinner.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
Speaker 3: How do you get away with that? From so, this
Speaker 3: entity was operating from at least twenty fifteen to twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, and see reports about her. You can see
Speaker 3: the photographs of this person, mugshot and so on, looks
Speaker 3: like any other person, because that's how serial killers operate.
Speaker 3: I'm just startled that you could get away with this
Speaker 3: using the same mo O for this long and.
Speaker 2: She hasn't changed her name or anything, right, it's still
Speaker 2: her name, but I bet she's got aliases.
Speaker 4: Does this speak to the structure of detective work or
Speaker 4: crime prevention in the country.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm wondering to your question, like, why
Speaker 3: would it take this long? Is this? Was this person
Speaker 3: just careful enough?
Speaker 4: Were these autopsies reflective of heart failure?
Speaker 3: Was this missed? I'm a little confused. Yeah, it's tough
Speaker 3: because you know, we're not forensic experts. We have we
Speaker 3: have some fellow conspiracy realist who are in that field
Speaker 3: or are in that industry. So that's a question for
Speaker 3: you all. Maybe you can help us out here. How
Speaker 3: difficult is it to prove that cyanide was the cause
Speaker 3: of death. Is it one of those things where it's
Speaker 3: rare enough that if you weren't looking for it, you
Speaker 3: would miss it. It seems like she gate. It seems
Speaker 3: like she was doping them with a lot of cyanide too,
Speaker 3: the kind of stuff that would leave physiological marks. Really yeah, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like. I think physical
Speaker 2: marks from cyanide.
Speaker 3: Apparently cyanide poisoning can affect the color of the body,
Speaker 3: certain extremities or something. I don't know how much cyanide
Speaker 3: you have to give people. On a positive note, since
Speaker 3: we're attempting to be positive in this evening's strange news,
Speaker 3: the government of Thailand has said they're gonna tighten some
Speaker 3: of the restrictions on cyanide.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, right on, They're like RB you know.
Speaker 3: She Currently this person has multiple charges. She is being
Speaker 3: compared by authorities to Jack the Ripper. She is considered
Speaker 3: Thailand's first female serial killer, as well as by far
Speaker 3: the most prolific. She said that she did not commit
Speaker 3: murder at this point, but she said that she did
Speaker 3: probably give people sie eye. She so we don't know.
Speaker 3: There was one survivor who will come to trial or
Speaker 3: participate in the legal proceedings. But I'm still just I'm startled, like,
Speaker 3: couldn't you do a blood test to find syanide? Right?
Speaker 3: If it was enough to kill someone.
Speaker 4: Certainly it makes sense that it would have such a
Speaker 4: reputation as like a who done it?
Speaker 3: Kind of murder weapon, you know, And we know that
Speaker 3: the lethal dose for potassium cyanide is some around ballpark
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty milligrams and the exposure will result
Speaker 3: in death in less than thirty minutes, So it's fast
Speaker 3: acting as well. It's not one of those things where
Speaker 3: you slowly poison someone over a period of time. We
Speaker 3: do want to say, we do want to give a
Speaker 3: big shout out to the investigative forces in Thailand because
Speaker 3: it can be very difficult to put these things together
Speaker 3: and to conclusively link each instance of a murder. That's
Speaker 3: tough business, that's real police work. Even in the age
Speaker 3: of social media, that can be very difficult.
Speaker 4: And I certainly wasn't attempting to cast any aspersions on
Speaker 4: the police force of Thailand. It was just a question
Speaker 4: when I posed earlier about like how could this happen?
Speaker 4: And you guys I think have answered that, you know,
Speaker 4: especially in terms of yeah, it very likely could have
Speaker 4: been mistaken for something else because of how quickly the
Speaker 4: substance moves through one's system.
Speaker 3: But to your point, Ben.
Speaker 4: The article on ABC dot net dot au mentions that
Speaker 4: more than nine hundred witnesses were interviewed and more than
Speaker 4: twenty six thousand documents were examined and analyzed. So yeah,
Speaker 4: very much kudos to the police force over there. This
Speaker 4: obviously was not an easy.
Speaker 3: Feat. I think it was.
Speaker 4: Maybe you mentioned this and forgive me fourteen bodies that
Speaker 4: were examined and seven of them contained, they did find
Speaker 4: traces of syinide somehow, so I.
Speaker 3: Knew what they were looking for.
Speaker 4: Now, that must right, And maybe there are markers of
Speaker 4: it too, Matt, like it might be through your system,
Speaker 4: but maybe there are certain types of organ failure, certain types,
Speaker 4: you know, the extremities thing that you pointed out, Then
Speaker 4: maybe there are markers that you can look for even
Speaker 4: if the substance is no longer in the in the system.
Speaker 3: I'm just conjecturing here there has to be something right
Speaker 3: and with this, we'll keep an eye on this. This
Speaker 3: may become an episode in the future again, not appropriate
Speaker 3: for all listeners. But here's where we end. I thought
Speaker 3: this would be a cool little callback, a nice little
Speaker 3: bookend to the point about the Tupac murder and disastrous
Speaker 3: things leading to that. Appeared to start kind of small.
Speaker 3: That's how they caught Om Cyanide because of a small thing.
Speaker 3: Her friend, thirty two year old named Syrupon Konwong was
Speaker 3: apparently died of heart failure. It's tragic, but it happens
Speaker 3: a lot of people die of heart attacks every year
Speaker 3: in any country. But because of unusual financial activities that
Speaker 3: they clocked upon the death of this person, that led
Speaker 3: them to Om and then they started looking at other
Speaker 3: things related to her. So it was a chain of
Speaker 3: events that led to this killer being apprehended because there
Speaker 3: were going to continue obviously, I think at this point
Speaker 3: a lot of last scene with situations. Right. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: would love to hear your thoughts on resource extraction. Why
Speaker 3: does it apply in some places not in others? When
Speaker 3: are you going to hang out with the QAnon queen?
Speaker 3: Will we be able to get into that into Thailand?
Speaker 3: After talking about the serial killer? How much should people
Speaker 3: pay for space junk? What's a fair price? Find us
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Speaker 3: We'll tell you how to do all of that right now. Oh,
Speaker 3: butat ben I'm on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 4: What made America's sweetheart uncle Tom Hanks get upset?
Speaker 3: Oh he was in a deep fake ad for dentistry
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