1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: you are here and that makes this the stuff they 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 3: don't want you to know. It's almost the most wonderful 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: time of the year. We hurtle headlong toward Halloween, and 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: the news just continues to grow stranger and stranger. Like 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: the old way we're talking about. The best excuse pre 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: COVID to get out of any social obligation is just 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: a respond I can't make it. I have become strange. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: That's what's happening with the news. So much so, in fact, 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: that we decided we would do something a little bit 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: different this evening. We for this week's Strange News segment. 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 3: We're going to start with some updates, just some mentions 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: of things that have happened that we've had our eye 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: on that you have doubtlessly heard a little bit about 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: we're going to explore AI lawsuits. Tom Hanks, America's cool stepdad, 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: finally got mad about something. We're going to see that. 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: Arizona has also canceled that incredibly controversial Saudi Arabian water 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: extraction project. There's a serial killer in Thailand. The qan 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: on queens moving into real estate. That Kansas newspaper that 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: got raided has some more updates. But maybe you know 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: space junk always, but maybe we start with an update 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: on the murder of Tupac chikor. 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: Sure, as we're recording today. On October four, last Friday, 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: the state of Nevada, they had a grand jury who 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: officially indicted a person in the murder of Tupac. It's incredible. 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: It's incredible too, because you know, I remember this from 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: my childhood. You know, this story was obviously huge, but 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: I had completely forgotten that it took place outside the 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: MGM grand on the Vegas Strip where we all recently were, 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: and it was obviously a huge deal to anyone that was, 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: you know, living there, playing there, going to college there 39 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 4: at the time. 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 3: I can't imagine. 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: And the person who was indicted officially his name is 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: Dwayne Davis. He's sixty years old. He's also known as 43 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: Keith d And yeah, he was been indicted with one 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: count of murder with a deadly weapon. And I guess 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: the story here makes me wonder why it took so 46 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: long to have some kind of action, because allegedly there 47 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: was footage of the interior of the casino where Tupac 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: was involved, as well as a bunch of other people 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: involved in an altercation with this person they've arrested, nephew, 50 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: and that is supposedly the reason that Tupac was shot 51 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: in the first place. 52 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: But Davis is not the trigger man. 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: No, he's just the person alive. 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: He's like the producer of the assassination. 55 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: Well, and if we learned anything from our What Casinos 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 4: Don't want you to know episode, it's that these places, 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: even back in the day, you know next level surveillance. 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: So to your point, Matt, you got to wonder why 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: this didn't come to light sooner given all of that, 60 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 4: you know, footage that must exist. 61 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it had a lot to do with the book 62 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: that was published not long ago that gave some insight 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: into what happened. 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: Basically, questions still remain regarding the specifics and that point 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: about the timeline, I think is is a big question. 66 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: One of the instructive things about this, or illustrative things, 67 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: is that it helps us realize that these cases don't 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: stop just because they're not immediately in a four minute 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: news burst every day or every week. And I want 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: to shout out again some of those excellent letters we 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: got from members of law enforcement. There was that one 72 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: fantastic point that people kept iterating, which is it's not 73 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: necessarily that celebrities get more law enforcement work done on 74 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: their cases. It's that the public does a lot of 75 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: stuff and sometimes finds things that would ordinarily not be found. 76 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, very very true. You got a couple quotes here 77 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: from a BBC News article that was written titled Tupac 78 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: Shakur Dwayne Davis charged with the nineteen ninety six murder 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: of Rapper and down here we've got some quotations from 80 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: people like Greg Cating, I think is how you would 81 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: say it. He's a retired LAPD detective who worked on 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: this case for years and years and years. He told 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: the AP he's not surprised about mister Davis's arrest. Quote, 84 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: and this is what I was kind of referring to here, 85 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: quote all the other direct conspirators or participants are all dead, 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: and he said mister Davis was literally quote the last 87 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: man standing in the case to be charged. So it 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: is in a way almost a ceremonial charging. Even though 89 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: they also say there's a prosecutor named Mark Dia Giacomo, 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: which really interesting name. They said that this guy was 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: basically a leader of a gang called the South Side 92 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: Compton Crips, and he was basically or he's being described 93 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: at least as a commander the person, as you said, 94 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: Ben orchestrated the thing, put the hit out on Tupac 95 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: as a direct result of the altercation in the casino. 96 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: Oh, okay, so there was you know, I mean, obviously 97 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: a lot of conjecture was that this was related to 98 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: blood feuds between East Coast and West Coasts, you know 99 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: scenes and obviously the notorious Big Biggie Smalls was also killed, 100 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: and this sort of runs counter to that. It seems like, 101 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 4: you know, Tupac, who is a West Coast rapper, was 102 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 4: taken out by West Coast gang. 103 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly does seem that way. And again because 104 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: of some whatever the altercation was about. I haven't read 105 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: enough to like be able to speak on why they 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: fought in the casino that day. But it seems like 107 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: something small like that. I don't know, it's tough to 108 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: imagine that it can lead to the death of someone 109 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: as popular and well known as Tupac. 110 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, that feels like it feels like 111 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: those deaths do arise with small things when egos come 112 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: into play, and oftentimes people who make a big deal 113 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: about demanding respect are crazy reluctant to give it in return, 114 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: So very small things can escalate very quickly. Generally, feel Yeah, 115 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: when people feel that they're they have somehow been disrespected 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: or not treated well, even if they're not treating the 117 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: other people well. So, as you said, questions remain more 118 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: will probably come to light, to shift to or pivot, 119 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: as Corporate America says, to something that might be a 120 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: bit of a good strange news update. Remember Fondo Mante, 121 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: that Saudi Arabian company that came to Arizona and started 122 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: stealing all the water. 123 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: How could I forget the alfalfa? 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: It's all we talk about, right, Yeah, they've been accused 125 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 3: of water resource extraction because they had a six hundred 126 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: and forty acre lease in a place called Butler Valley, 127 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: and just recently, perhaps due to public pressure, the government 128 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: of Arizona said they're going to terminate that lease. They're 129 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: essentially going to kick this Saudi Arabian company out. And 130 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: the big question is does that set a precedent? Should 131 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: that be a thing that governments can do. Like we've 132 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: also been getting a lot of letters about, you know, 133 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: foreign based proxies for different countries buying up land here 134 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: in the United States or in other parts of the world. 135 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: What do you guys think should a government be able 136 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: to do that to say, like get out, Yeah. 137 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: If you've got a precious resource like waters in aquifers 138 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: below land and some other country comes in and buys 139 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: hundreds of acres, I mean, and they're accessing that water 140 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: and then taking it out of the state, out of 141 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: even the country, maybe yeah, I think you should be 142 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: able to say nah stuff. 143 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 4: And I think a part of the conversation we had 144 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: about this recently in terms of like does it go 145 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: both ways? 146 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: You know, like where it seems like the US is. 147 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: More prone, maybe because of capitalism or whatever, to allow 148 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: these types of deals to go down, whereas other countries 149 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: are a little bit more national realistic about that kind 150 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: of thing. Maybe there are isolated cases in other countries 151 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: that I'm not aware of, but that certainly seemed to 152 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 4: be the takeaway from our conversation that it's a lot 153 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: easier for big foreign interest to do that here than. 154 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: It is, you know, the other way around. M H. 155 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 3: There's a there's a global aspect to it as well, 156 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: when we talk about resource extraction. If a country like 157 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: the US can do this, and you know, personally I agree, 158 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: I think that's a smart move long term, then shouldn't 159 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: other less developed countries be afforded the same rights? Should 160 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: in the countries on the African continent be able to 161 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: just say get out with all without all of a 162 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: sudden having a coup, Shout out Wagner, shout out US 163 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: trained militaries. 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 165 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 3: I think it's going to become more of a pressing issue, 166 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: you know, to your point all about our earlier conversation, 167 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: it's going to become more of a pressing issue as 168 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: global events become more chaotic and as resources become more precious. 169 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: I also looked into the desalination science that we talked 170 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: about previously, and it's a hard problem. I don't think 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: there's a way to make it cheaper. Further, I don't think. 172 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys. I want to sound nihilistic, 173 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 3: but I don't know whether humanity could responsibly use cheap 174 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 3: desalination technology without also destroying the ocean is the issue. 175 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: My understanding has been that it just requires a lot 176 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: of power, and massive power source. So it's almost like 177 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 4: the you know, six one, a half dozen the other. 178 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: You've got the thing, but you're also, you know, expending 179 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: insane amounts of other resources to make the thing happen, 180 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: and you have to question whether the trade off is 181 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 4: actually worth it or not at scale. 182 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you would use fossil fuel, so you 183 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: increase fossil fuel dependence, so you might be helping in 184 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: one way while you're hurting in another. 185 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: Guys, we've talked about Davos before or and recently there's 186 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: been a video circulating of a twenty nineteen talk that 187 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: somebody named Rutger Bregman gave where he discussed, Hey, we're 188 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: over here talking about all of these initiatives to help 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: the climate, all of these all these philanthropy initiatives, all 190 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: this stuff, but we're not talking about taxes. Nobody's talking 191 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: about taxes, and everybody here flew in on their private jets, 192 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: you know, as heads of these major corporations, but nobody 193 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: wants to talk about actually paying the correct tax price 194 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: so that state governments and countries have the amount of 195 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: operating funding to do things like build a desalination plant 196 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: or one hundred and not have to worry about that 197 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: it costs a lot because it's being funded by the 198 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: companies that operate in these areas. 199 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 3: I don't know, ye know, it's kind of funny, not 200 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: just sort of similar. 201 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: I maybe a good a good thing that Coldplay has done. 202 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: They did this whole initiative with their most recent tour 203 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: where they made a pledge to reduce the emissions of 204 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 4: this giant touring operation touring organization, and I think the 205 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: takeaway was that they did okay, that it wasn't exactly 206 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: what they wanted, but I think they even went as 207 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: far as to say they're not going to tour again 208 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: in the near future because they found it too difficult 209 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: to make as big of an impact as they wanted to. 210 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: And it's an interesting point. 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: You've got these these billionaires going to Davos. Presumably you know, 212 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: an event that's a summit that's meant to better the world. 213 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 4: But yet you've got these folks just expending massive amounts 214 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: of resources for very personal reasons. It doesn't quite line 215 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 4: up with the stated goals, you know, and good on 216 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: Coldplay for doing that. And to be honest, surely there 217 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 4: are many other people who would want to emulate that 218 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: action or that intention. But the truth of the matter 219 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: is Coldplay is a massive commercial succes so they kind 220 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: of have the privilege of saying we're not going to 221 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 4: tour until we figure. 222 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: Out a way that we are comfortable doing it. So 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: but good on them. I think that's really cool. And 224 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: so with with that, Coldplay has earned the the highly 225 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: prized and extremely rare stuff they don't want you to know, 226 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: Stamp of Approval, Metal of Freedom, the Medal of Conspiratorial Freedom. 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: And we're gonna take a moment of reflection on our 228 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: pals at cold Play. While we do that, let's go 229 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 3: to an ad break. We're gonna return with a fascinating 230 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: update from our neighbors to the North. No spoilers, but 231 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: it's a doozy. 232 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: And we're back with another something in the way of 233 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: an update. It's been a little while since Romana di. 234 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: Doulo or Diddulo has been in the news. 235 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 4: Y'all may remember from strange news pasts strange news past. 236 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: There is a couple of interesting stories. This is a 237 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: I believe, a person of Filipino origin who is a 238 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 4: Canadian who has who made a lot of noise as 239 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: a kind of real figurehead in the QAnon movement, which 240 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: itself has sort of not been as much in the 241 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: news lately, but that doesn't mean that's not still you know, 242 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: top of mine for a lot of folks. 243 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: And this, uh, this deduo who's. 244 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: Known as the QAnon Queen, tried to declare herself the 245 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: official Queen of Canada, the true Queen of Canada. Is 246 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: a big fan of commondeering stuff. I believe one of 247 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: the past stories involved a bus or a van of 248 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 4: some kind that she used and never returned. I believe 249 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: it was a rental van that just was like, no, 250 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: it's mine now, the QAnon Queen, you can't touch me. 251 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: I can't quite remember where that would shook out, but 252 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: apparently she's still up to her old shenanigans again now 253 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 4: in the form of taking control or I guess you 254 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 4: could say, squatting with some of her followers in an 255 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: abandoned school in a rural part of Saskatchewan. Just a 256 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, or a little less than a 257 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, Romana didulo the QAnon queen came 258 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: to rich Richmond m O U N D. 259 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 260 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: I think it's probably just pronounced Richmond, Saskatchewan. Rolled into 261 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: town with some of her followers in a convoy. Again 262 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: like previously, I think, you know, case in point with 263 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: the whole stolen minivan situation. Like it's sort of like 264 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: road warrior type stuff. It seems like they're like this 265 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: nomadic kind of sect. I guess of this QAnon. 266 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Let's just be real cult because they keep getting kicked 267 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: out of places. 268 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: They keep getting kicked out of places, so probably best 269 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 4: to stay on the move. But now old old Romana 270 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: has decided to settle down in this abandoned school that 271 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: has sat empty for. 272 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: Quite some time. 273 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: I want to say almost ten years, eleven years the 274 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: school has been closed and now these you know folks 275 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: have kind of taken up residents there, and Brad Miller, 276 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: who is the mayor of Richmond told Vice News in 277 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: an article by mac Limoureau, which was what I used 278 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 4: for research on this story, also has some great outbound links. 279 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 4: Had this to say about the incidents. 280 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: I guess the. 281 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: Ongoing I don't know, it's starting to feel like almost 282 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: like an Aimon Bundy thing, like it could it could 283 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: go there. It feels like it could, yeah, it could 284 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 4: go that direction, or like David Kerr kind of thing. Again, 285 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: we haven't seen violence directly out of this group, but 286 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 4: people are a little freaked out. This is what Brad Miller, 287 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 4: the mayor of Richmond, had to say to Vice News. 288 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: The families are afraid to let their kids go to 289 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: the park, which I totally agree with. I asked a 290 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 4: kid the other day when he thought about this, and 291 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: he said, I'm not going to play there too. Scary 292 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 4: when you see the lights on at the school. So 293 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: I guess, on the one hand, it's creepy because it's 294 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 4: been abandoned for so long and now all of a sudden, 295 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: there's something going on there. And the kids know that 296 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: it's not quote unquote legitimate, it's not a proper school, 297 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: and they are these kind of I guess, rebel type forces. 298 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: These sort of like I don't know, separatists, individuals not 299 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: associated with the town, not associated with the government, just kind. 300 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: Of hanging out there. 301 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: Apparently they're like posted up on the roof of the school, 302 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: like surveilling the townsfolk with you know, video cameras and 303 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 4: stuff or their phones or whatever. 304 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's super, super weird. It's also it's a 305 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: dying town, right. I do believe that's right. 306 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 307 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 4: I didn't get into too too much background about this 308 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: about the town itself, but I do believe you're correct, Ben, This, 309 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: you know, QAnon or Dodolo rather is entirely funded, you know, 310 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: by this group of her followers. She is very well 311 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: known for asking for money all the time, you know, 312 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: on social media. There was a thing I think that 313 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: where she was like had some sort of private telegram 314 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: channel or something like that where it was just for 315 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 4: communication directly with her followers, and I believe some of 316 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 4: the past stories there are some screenshots about that, and 317 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 4: she likes to do videos and it's just you know, 318 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 4: pretty radical, not like in a Ninja Turtles kind of way. Yeah, 319 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: it's very strange, and I could see how this would 320 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: feel a little in intimidating, you know, for the for 321 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 4: the kids not to mention them, you know, and their 322 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: parents and the government, and it sure seems like they 323 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: don't quite know what to do about it. 324 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'm really confused because who owns the building, who 325 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: owns the property that the school is on. I'm assuming 326 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: that it was a county school, right, that's all the municipality. 327 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: But there's the the reason we're asking about I'm asking 328 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: about Dying Town too, is because I suspect the school 329 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: has been closed down despite being county property, because there 330 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: is a lack of teachers, which is a problem that 331 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: rural Canada as well as Alaska have been struggling with 332 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 3: for years. So there's surely there's legal action. I don't 333 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 3: know what squatters' rights are like in Canada, but if 334 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 3: there anything like Europe or some parts of the US, 335 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: then you have to have an established presence for X 336 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: amount of years or something. So surely they have like 337 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: the schools closed before, the law enforcement places closed when 338 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: a town is depopulating, So surely there could be someone 339 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: who can roll up there and say you don't own this. 340 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: I think only around two hundred citizens in this town, which. 341 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: Is ghost town material and adulation has been declining too, Yeah, 342 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: for sure. 343 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: And you know this, this fear, this unease is not 344 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: without reason. Like we know a lot of folks in 345 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: this kind of movement tend to do, is issue sort 346 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 4: of thinly veiled threats, you know, using terms like the 347 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 4: lame stream media and all this stuff. And in videos 348 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 4: that Dedulo and some of her close followers, there was 349 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 4: actually a nine hour live stream that was specifically for 350 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: the benefit of the locals. I think this was in 351 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: response to a rally that was held by the locals 352 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: to try to get them out of there. 353 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: What was the protest side, Please leave our town and 354 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 3: let our children come out. And that's way so polite, 355 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: that's so Canadian. I do love that. I love them. 356 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: Please Didula and her followers made a sign of their own. 357 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: They made kind of a. 358 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 4: Makeshift cardboard billboard that had a list of reasons that 359 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 4: the locals should start following her, should join up. You know, 360 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 4: I mean, she's she's looking to exploit all of the 361 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 4: things that we're talking about, this sort of dying town, 362 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 4: maybe some desperation you know, felt by the locals. So yeah, 363 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: and also, you know, again, lamestream media saying this town 364 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: has fallen victim to the lamestream media and all this stuff, 365 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 4: attacking reporters including Vice News, you know who have Actually 366 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 4: I believe most of the stories in the past were 367 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 4: from Vice News who have covered you know, Dedulo and 368 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 4: her kind of followers. 369 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: In the past. 370 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, there's let's see. One of the second in command, 371 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: I believe, someone known as Darlene Andy said in the 372 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: live stream, these village folks bought into the lie after 373 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 4: lie after lie by the paid for bought soul journalists 374 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 4: and mainstream media infiltraders and traders. 375 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: It's time to grow up, y'all. I like the work play, Yeah. 376 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: I still don't understand because everything feels so passive aggressive 377 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: to me, Like with standing in front of the property 378 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: and be like no, go away, and then them standing 379 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: up or taking a trip into town saying I'm gonna 380 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: film you local people and we're watching you Like what. 381 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: That's classic cult behavior? 382 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: But what the heck? 383 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: Man Like, it reminds me of wild Country. But yeah, absolutely, yeah, 384 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 3: what the heck? Why not? Why not just send in 385 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: the stormtroopers? 386 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: Well a sheriff, A sheriff that says, hey, uh, you 387 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: have the you have the papers for living here. Do 388 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: you do you own this property? 389 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: No? 390 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: Oh you don't. Oh you're paying an electric bill. That's 391 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: where the squatter's rights could be a problem, because there 392 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: is electricity in the building. 393 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 3: So running water or other amenities to my understanding. 394 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: But again, even if you're in a small dying town, 395 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: I guarantee you can get help from the state level, 396 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: like you could. I bet there's a marshal or some 397 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: kind of service that would that would help out a 398 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: small town in need. 399 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: I guess a lot of people are spooked by this 400 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: whole koresh idea, this whole Imanbundie idea, like if you 401 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: start to bring in the heavies, who knows if these 402 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 4: folks are armed. There isn't any mention of that, but 403 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: it's hard to know. They did roll out a wire 404 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 4: like that sort of was their like line of demarcation, 405 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 4: like like almost like challenging the townsfolk. 406 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: To cross it. 407 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: This wire which is very close to this park that's 408 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 4: being referenced. And you know, according to to Wess and 409 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: some of the great research they've done are reporting they've 410 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: done in speaking to former members of this cult, it's 411 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: a very abusive situation, traveling very like caravan style, like 412 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: a you know, kind of like this nomadic culture. A 413 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: lot of you know, classic cult behavior, emotional and verbal abuse, othering, 414 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: cutting people off from their families, trying to turn people 415 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 4: against each other, all of that stuff. And you know, 416 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 4: it would seem all of this at the behest of Didulo, who, 417 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 4: you know, like many cult leaders, is operating at their 418 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 4: own whims, you know, and much to the downfall of 419 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: those that choose to follow them. You know, it's pretty 420 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 4: scary stuff. I like the isolated I like. 421 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: The idea of a protest barbecue. Though shout out to 422 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: the mayor that's in the Vice article you linked. And again, 423 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: you know, to the questions that we're asking, which I 424 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: think are very reasonable questions. We have to remember, as 425 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: you said, it's not quite been two weeks, right, or 426 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: it's been like I think this news article was from 427 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 3: last week Advice maybe like five days ago or something, 428 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: so it's it feels like it's almost certain that the 429 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 3: local county forces, the mayor, the municipality and so on, 430 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: have put out the call right for some support. So 431 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: I imagine that their will that this is an unsustainable situation. 432 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: There will will come a time when they leave or 433 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: forced to leave. That is a precedent that this group 434 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: is set, and it might be portrayed as a vision 435 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: on behalf of the leader, right, that wouldn't surprise me. 436 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 4: And there's an image on the Vice article of this 437 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 4: protest and there's like fifteen people, you know. I mean, 438 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how many people are in Dedulo's coterie. 439 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than that, 440 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 4: but it's not quite clear. 441 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: I do remember. 442 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 4: Something's coming back to mind that you guys will probably 443 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: remember too, is one of the calls that Didulo made 444 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: in some of our videos was for people to not 445 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: pay their mortgages and to stop paying their bills because 446 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 4: they she's the Queen of Canada and basically has you know, 447 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 4: unilateral power to say you. 448 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: Don't have to do that anymore. 449 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 4: And that resulted in a lot of folks believing this 450 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: and having their power shut off. 451 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 3: So I'm even losing their homes and there is you know, again, 452 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: this is just this is from. 453 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 4: The Vice article, and I think very important to end 454 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: with is that within a lot of this rhetoric, there's 455 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 4: kind of this like veiled threat of violence to anyone 456 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: that might oppose her and to anyone who might defect 457 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 4: from her. 458 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: So there you go. It's a weird one. This kind 459 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: of gives me the willies. I don't know about y'all, 460 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: but what do you. 461 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: Say we take a quick break and hear another word 462 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: from our sponsor and then come back with a bit 463 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 4: more strange news. 464 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 3: And we have returned. We've got some We've got some 465 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: more updates, more strange news. But we were talking a 466 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: little bit off air during the break. Hope you had 467 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: a good one about what we wanted to start with. 468 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 3: We need to give you an update about that kans 469 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: newspaper that got raided due to small town Facebook drama 470 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: with a restaurant owner who people were lying about different 471 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: charges and he got very messy very quickly. Check out 472 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: our strange news on that. The update that we were 473 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: talking about earlier this week is the police chief there, 474 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: Gideon Cody, has been suspended by the mayor. This all 475 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: dates back to the August eleventh, probably illegal searches of 476 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 3: the newspaper, the Marion County Record, and the private home 477 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: of its publisher. 478 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: So something was the issue in the first place, that 479 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: or the allegations that maybe we're circulating as to why 480 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: he did this. 481 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: It's been a minute, I kind of don't remember. 482 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: Allegedly, the paper accessed personal records right illegally, probably through 483 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: like the white pages or something, which is not illegal, 484 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: and said some disparaging thing about this rest local restaurant owner. 485 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: The restaurant owner kind of pulled, not pulled strings that 486 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: had sway had influence maybe yeah. 487 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: Pushed say juice some section, as I believe he said 488 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: last week. Yeah, what's that from the wire? Yes, yeah, 489 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 3: So it looks again like the small town corruption that 490 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: is unfortunately not uncommon, not just in the United States 491 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: but across the world. And this time it's interesting because 492 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: the mayor originally said, who would wait for the results 493 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: from a state level police investigation, and now he has 494 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: perhaps read the room, said okay, well we're going to 495 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: suspend you because he doesn't want to be on the 496 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: wrong side of this. 497 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: And then last Saturday, as we're recording this, on October fourth, 498 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: the police chief who was suspended decided to resign and 499 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: made basically I guess send internal communications to the mayor, 500 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: and then the mayor made the announcement. 501 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, him learning how to read the room real quick, good, 502 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: good job, you can't fire me. I quit. Classic, classic 503 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: words from a real winner. I said it. So we've 504 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: got other things here that we wanted to get to. 505 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: One that is a nice compliment to our Space Race 506 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: episode which came out recently. We talked a little bit 507 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: about space junk in that episode. We have to talk 508 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: about space junk whatever. We mentioned near Earth orbit because 509 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: you guys, if the galaxy is a suburb and the 510 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: Solar System is like a little cul de sac street, 511 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: we are in the crappy house. We're in the trashy one. 512 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: We catch it all over the yard. 513 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, that's right. But don't worry. The FCC 514 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: is coming in with the cleanup crew. They're the Federal 515 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: cleanup crew. That's that's what the FCC stands for now. 516 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: So guess what what? They just issued their first ever 517 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: fine force AACE debris issues. 518 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: I guess. 519 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: Seriously. There's an article from BBC News you can read 520 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: it was. It was posted October third title US issues 521 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: first ever fine for space junk to dish network. 522 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: Dish networks like the FCC won't let me be let 523 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: be well done. Wait does network still a thing. Yes, okay, yeah, okay, 524 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm just I had Dish Network back in the day 525 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: and as long as the weather was right, you could 526 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: see some amazing things. 527 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: There's still a dish on the house that I recently got. 528 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: It's sitting out there. I haven't taken a wrench to 529 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: it yet to take it down. 530 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: But in HK Man, n HK is the best public 531 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 3: television on the planet New Hampshire. I wish it's it's 532 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 3: Japan's like Japan's PBSS. 533 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: Wait, I'm still I don't want to Does it have 534 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: any of the game shows on it? 535 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: I hope so? Uh, yes it has anytime I'm there. Uh, 536 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: it is just it's hypnotic because you know, we're not 537 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: to date ourselves, folks, but all four of us on 538 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: the show this evening, and probably you listen along at 539 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: home are old enough to remember local public access TV 540 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: and how nuts and hypnotic that was. NHK is like 541 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: that on a professional level, and they do have what 542 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: I think are games. Uh sometimes I don't understands. 543 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: Are always a little amorphous, I think maybe to a 544 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: foreign audience. 545 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: So is this a thing though? Are you serious? 546 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 4: But like, if you have can you get satellite dish 547 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 4: access through Dish Network. To like programming from other countries. 548 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: You need an uplink, got to get the satellite uplink. 549 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: Well you can. Yeah, just denied is what the FCC says. Yeah, 550 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 3: there are different ways to act. First off, as you know, 551 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: of folks, we are huge proponents of accessing media sources 552 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: that are not from the West. It is incredibly important 553 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: to do so. For instance, the Al Jazeerra you see 554 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: here in the United States, it's not the Al Jazera 555 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: other parts of the world see. It's an important distinction. 556 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: But as for Dish Network, for your question, I think 557 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: it goes to the big question for Matt, is Dish 558 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: Network going to be able to afford to be a 559 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: company anymore after this? Egregious? 560 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: Fine, dude, they're going down so hard for this. I'm 561 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: going to give you the stats here. The FCC find 562 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: Dish Network a whopping one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 563 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: Now we're filiar one thousand dollars for failing to move 564 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: an old Echo Star seven satellite far enough away from 565 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: other satellites that are in use. This is important. This 566 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: satellite was launched in two thousand and two the year 567 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: in which. 568 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 3: I graduated high school. 569 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: This guy graduated high school too, And so for twenty 570 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: years it was kind of doing its thing. But the 571 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: plan was for Dish network to move that satellite one 572 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty six miles further from Earth, but they 573 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: were only able to move it seventy six miles in 574 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: the over the course of twenty years, which means it 575 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: is seriously in danger of impacting other satellites and it 576 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: is no longer in use. So it's just a dead sat. 577 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: It's not dead, but it's essentially impact. 578 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: It's a bullet waiting to hit a target, but not 579 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 3: just a mallus of space. 580 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, I want to give you this for context. 581 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: This is a quote from the head of NASA, Bill Nelson, 582 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: when we're talking about space debris and how how big 583 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: of a problem it is. He says, quote, even a 584 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: paint chip, Guys, a paint coming in the wrong direction 585 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: at orbital speed, which is seventeen five hundred miles per hour, 586 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 2: could hit an astronaut doing a spacewalk and it could 587 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: be fatal. So now imagine a satellite. It doesn't matter 588 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: how big the satellite is it's got components, it's got metal. 589 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 2: If it hits another piece of metal going that fast, 590 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: it does what you were talking about on the episode 591 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: we just did, Ben, that shrapnel begets more shrapnel, right. 592 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: Yes, just like in a horror film. The problem with 593 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 3: fighting zombies is that everybody on your side who is 594 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 3: bitten becomes a zombie themselves. So every time this think 595 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: of them as bullets. Every time one of the bullets 596 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: out there in space hits another one, a it's like 597 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: a gun that turns targets into other guns. 598 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: But thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more guns. 599 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: I'm picturing like a final destination in space scenario with 600 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 4: that paint chip situation, just like a ripping through the 601 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 4: astronauts head in elaborate three D gore effects. 602 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: I have to ask, though, Matt. 603 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 4: This one hundred and fifty thousand dollars five laughable considering 604 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 4: what we're gonna get to. I think when we close, 605 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 4: about how much money this company is worth. Surely moving 606 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 4: the satellite or you know, getting it back to Earth, 607 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 4: which seems out of the question, would cost way more 608 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 4: than one hundred and fifty k. 609 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a satellite that lost it. It has no 610 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: more fuel, so we cannot move itself. So you would 611 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: have to send a mission up to latch onto it 612 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: in some way and move it physically. 613 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: Millions of dollars. There's millions of dollars. It's one satellite, Michael, 614 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 3: how much could it cost? And yeah, yeah, I mean 615 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 3: this is going to be something we returned to. If 616 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: you haven't checked out our Space Race episode, please do, 617 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: and please check out our earlier episode from few years 618 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: back on the militarization of space, because just to be 619 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: very clear, beat me here, doc, it is going to happen. 620 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 3: It is going to happen. There is there, There are 621 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 3: no great precedents for us to look at in this case, 622 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 3: but every kind of precedent we have shows us that 623 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 3: this is going to happen. 624 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Oh my gosh. Well, and just if 625 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 2: we can get things past the space debris field, because 626 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: there are an estimated ten thousand satellites going around whipping 627 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: around above us right now, going seventeen thousand something miles 628 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: per hour, and only about half of them are active, 629 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: are actually communicating and doing their thing, so about five 630 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 2: thousand are just just rocky space space ghosts. I love 631 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: that Okay, so how do we do we think the 632 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: FCC will be able to prevent this kind of thing 633 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: from happening in the future, which it is kind of 634 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: a science problem more than a policy problem. When it 635 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: comes to a satellite losing its fuel. It's in a way. 636 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 3: Multiple people, I think, so, multiple entities. 637 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if the FCC can slap one hundred and 638 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars fine on a big company, maybe it'll 639 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: catch on. Because you know, Dish Network last year only 640 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 2: made sixteen point seven billion dollars, So like, gosh, one 641 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand on that amount is really gonna hurt. 642 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: That's about zero zero zero eight nine percent. 643 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 3: They're gonna lose their minds in the boardroom. But uh, 644 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: this so this is a developing story. We are going 645 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 3: to inevitably return to this. We'd love to hear what 646 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 3: you think about space finds. I love adding the word 647 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 3: space to the front of stuff. It's the best. It's fun. 648 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 4: Okay, silver lining ish though, it's something right, it's it's. 649 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 3: Just putting it in the news. 650 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: Great. 651 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,479 Speaker 4: I wouldn't have known the Dish Network even still existed. Again, 652 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 4: I'm out of the loop, but I mean a lot 653 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 4: of times, Like you said, these things are sort of 654 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 4: ceremonial fines, and it sort of hopefully causes some policy 655 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: change or causes folks to not want to have bad publicity. 656 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't necessarily know, but. 657 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: That that's that's if you read the articles that are 658 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: floating around. That's that's what people are hoping is the 659 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 2: best case scenario. It gets pressed and people will notice. Yeah. 660 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 3: And then in addition, now, because so much of jurisprudence 661 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: is based on past rulings, now there is a way 662 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 3: to point to something in the past and say, remember, 663 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 3: we prove this is a no no. So you how 664 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 3: much money does your company make? Okay, well, you guys, 665 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 3: o us point zerosie rosie rosie rosiero whatever percent of 666 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 3: that mm hmm, go forth and be good. Right, yeah, yeah, right, yeah. 667 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: Speaking of speaking of things to your point, Noe that 668 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: don't get in the news, like to take just a 669 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 3: little bit of time and tell you guys about a 670 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 3: very disturbing true crime situation. May not be appropriate for 671 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: all listeners, but I haven't seen a ton about this 672 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 3: reported in a lot of Western news. According to the 673 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 3: government of Thailand, they have just caught and convicted the 674 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 3: most prolific serial killer in the country's modern history. This 675 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 3: is a spooky story. It's a story of a female 676 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: serial killer, Sarawat Wrangsi with a pond and pardon not 677 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: native Thai speakers. But what you need to know is 678 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 3: her street name is Am. She has been called Am 679 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 3: cyanide because over the course of several years, she routinely 680 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 3: used poison to mimic heart attacks in her victims. She's 681 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 3: killed at least fourteen people in eight different provinces think 682 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 3: of like states of Thailand. And she did it by 683 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 3: mixing cyanide into their food. 684 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 2: Wow, why does she have a motive? 685 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 3: Was she? 686 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, why gambling? 687 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: Debts? Apparently people to whom she owed money or people 688 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 3: that she was attempting to defraud. Similar to like how 689 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 3: HH Holmes who gets romanticized. Let's be frank, the US 690 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 3: romanticizes serial murders. HH Holmes was killing people partially because 691 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 3: it got off on it, but partially because of this 692 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 3: huge financial incentive. So apparentlym had an issue with gambling 693 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 3: and would get deep into gambling and then would reach 694 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 3: out to people in her circle that she had befriended 695 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 3: somehow and then invite them to dinner. 696 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 2: That's so crazy. 697 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: How do you get away with that? From so, this 698 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: entity was operating from at least twenty fifteen to twenty 699 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 3: twenty three, and see reports about her. You can see 700 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 3: the photographs of this person, mugshot and so on, looks 701 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 3: like any other person, because that's how serial killers operate. 702 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 3: I'm just startled that you could get away with this 703 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 3: using the same mo O for this long and. 704 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 2: She hasn't changed her name or anything, right, it's still 705 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: her name, but I bet she's got aliases. 706 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 4: Does this speak to the structure of detective work or 707 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 4: crime prevention in the country. 708 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm wondering to your question, like, why 709 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 3: would it take this long? Is this? Was this person 710 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 3: just careful enough? 711 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 4: Were these autopsies reflective of heart failure? 712 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 3: Was this missed? I'm a little confused. Yeah, it's tough 713 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: because you know, we're not forensic experts. We have we 714 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 3: have some fellow conspiracy realist who are in that field 715 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 3: or are in that industry. So that's a question for 716 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 3: you all. Maybe you can help us out here. How 717 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 3: difficult is it to prove that cyanide was the cause 718 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 3: of death. Is it one of those things where it's 719 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 3: rare enough that if you weren't looking for it, you 720 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 3: would miss it. It seems like she gate. It seems 721 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: like she was doping them with a lot of cyanide too, 722 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,479 Speaker 3: the kind of stuff that would leave physiological marks. Really yeah, right. 723 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what that looks like. I think physical 724 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 2: marks from cyanide. 725 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 3: Apparently cyanide poisoning can affect the color of the body, 726 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 3: certain extremities or something. I don't know how much cyanide 727 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 3: you have to give people. On a positive note, since 728 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 3: we're attempting to be positive in this evening's strange news, 729 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 3: the government of Thailand has said they're gonna tighten some 730 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: of the restrictions on cyanide. 731 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 2: Oh that's good, right on, They're like RB you know. 732 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: She Currently this person has multiple charges. She is being 733 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 3: compared by authorities to Jack the Ripper. She is considered 734 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 3: Thailand's first female serial killer, as well as by far 735 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 3: the most prolific. She said that she did not commit 736 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 3: murder at this point, but she said that she did 737 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 3: probably give people sie eye. She so we don't know. 738 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 3: There was one survivor who will come to trial or 739 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 3: participate in the legal proceedings. But I'm still just I'm startled, like, 740 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 3: couldn't you do a blood test to find syanide? Right? 741 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 3: If it was enough to kill someone. 742 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 4: Certainly it makes sense that it would have such a 743 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 4: reputation as like a who done it? 744 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 3: Kind of murder weapon, you know, And we know that 745 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 3: the lethal dose for potassium cyanide is some around ballpark 746 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty milligrams and the exposure will result 747 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 3: in death in less than thirty minutes, So it's fast 748 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 3: acting as well. It's not one of those things where 749 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 3: you slowly poison someone over a period of time. We 750 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 3: do want to say, we do want to give a 751 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 3: big shout out to the investigative forces in Thailand because 752 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 3: it can be very difficult to put these things together 753 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 3: and to conclusively link each instance of a murder. That's 754 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 3: tough business, that's real police work. Even in the age 755 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 3: of social media, that can be very difficult. 756 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 4: And I certainly wasn't attempting to cast any aspersions on 757 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 4: the police force of Thailand. It was just a question 758 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 4: when I posed earlier about like how could this happen? 759 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 4: And you guys I think have answered that, you know, 760 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 4: especially in terms of yeah, it very likely could have 761 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 4: been mistaken for something else because of how quickly the 762 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 4: substance moves through one's system. 763 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 3: But to your point, Ben. 764 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 4: The article on ABC dot net dot au mentions that 765 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 4: more than nine hundred witnesses were interviewed and more than 766 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 4: twenty six thousand documents were examined and analyzed. So yeah, 767 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 4: very much kudos to the police force over there. This 768 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 4: obviously was not an easy. 769 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 3: Feat. I think it was. 770 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 4: Maybe you mentioned this and forgive me fourteen bodies that 771 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,280 Speaker 4: were examined and seven of them contained, they did find 772 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 4: traces of syinide somehow, so I. 773 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 3: Knew what they were looking for. 774 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 4: Now, that must right, And maybe there are markers of 775 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 4: it too, Matt, like it might be through your system, 776 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 4: but maybe there are certain types of organ failure, certain types, 777 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 4: you know, the extremities thing that you pointed out, Then 778 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 4: maybe there are markers that you can look for even 779 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 4: if the substance is no longer in the in the system. 780 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 3: I'm just conjecturing here there has to be something right 781 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 3: and with this, we'll keep an eye on this. This 782 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 3: may become an episode in the future again, not appropriate 783 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 3: for all listeners. But here's where we end. I thought 784 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 3: this would be a cool little callback, a nice little 785 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 3: bookend to the point about the Tupac murder and disastrous 786 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 3: things leading to that. Appeared to start kind of small. 787 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 3: That's how they caught Om Cyanide because of a small thing. 788 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 3: Her friend, thirty two year old named Syrupon Konwong was 789 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 3: apparently died of heart failure. It's tragic, but it happens 790 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 3: a lot of people die of heart attacks every year 791 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 3: in any country. But because of unusual financial activities that 792 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 3: they clocked upon the death of this person, that led 793 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 3: them to Om and then they started looking at other 794 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 3: things related to her. So it was a chain of 795 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 3: events that led to this killer being apprehended because there 796 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,240 Speaker 3: were going to continue obviously, I think at this point 797 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 3: a lot of last scene with situations. Right. Yeah, we 798 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 3: would love to hear your thoughts on resource extraction. Why 799 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,399 Speaker 3: does it apply in some places not in others? When 800 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 3: are you going to hang out with the QAnon queen? 801 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 3: Will we be able to get into that into Thailand? 802 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 3: After talking about the serial killer? How much should people 803 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 3: pay for space junk? What's a fair price? Find us 804 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 3: on social media. Give us a call, definitely right to us. 805 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 3: We'll tell you how to do all of that right now. Oh, 806 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 3: butat ben I'm on the edge of my seat. 807 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 4: What made America's sweetheart uncle Tom Hanks get upset? 808 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 3: Oh he was in a deep fake ad for dentistry 809 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 3: without his consent. 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