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Speaker 2: Sometimes everybody's trying to tell us to rest, right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think God rested after he made all of creation,

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Speaker 1: That's right, Annie Kendall. You for that. I am for that.

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Speaker 3: I believe that RESK is invigorating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Told me you met some people somewhere that watch

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and they this lady said, where was this hat?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think she said I love you

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Speaker 3: She didn't say elderly, but that's right.

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Speaker 1: Rachel m.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the table. We like having a little wisdom

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Speaker 4: We doo yeah too, And I'm excited about our guest today.

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Speaker 4: This is a topic that I had to learn early

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Speaker 1: You really did it not doing this, By the way,

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Speaker 4: It's a part of my testimony with the Lord. He

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Speaker 4: told me, Rachel, I came to give you life and

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Speaker 4: life more abundantly. And nowhere in that does it say

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Speaker 6: You know I work hard, you do have when it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in it. It's having my job keep

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Speaker 1: And that's my favorite funny found this out about Dorothy.

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Speaker 7: I'm I'm in that season of rest where I'm as

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Speaker 7: But when we think we're smarter than God, God himself rested,

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Speaker 7: we're really in trouble truth when we I love what

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Speaker 7: However, you said that, and I'm in that beautiful season

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Speaker 1: A whole different area my life, and I'm all right. Well.

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Speaker 1: He is the senior pastor of Faith Christians Center and

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Speaker 1: his new book, Rhythm of Rest. Please welcome Kerk Butler.

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Speaker 1: Come on in, Kerk. All right, hello, everyone, Okay.

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Speaker 1: You any take on the ladies of the table.

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Speaker 1: embracing a key biblical principle that will end your striving

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Speaker 1: and transform your life. Kary Pastor there Yes, in Georgia,

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Speaker 9: Of if was like no, no, no, you're teaching on the rest.

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Speaker 9: Well, I wrote the book after I preached it to

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Speaker 9: Like people taking vacations before, they said, I spent all

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Speaker 9: But if the spirit of God is leading you to rest,

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Speaker 9: They started talking to me about this the pastorly you've

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Speaker 1: Okay, So set a time, that's one thing. What else?

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Speaker 9: You set a time and then you block it off.

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Speaker 9: But also you have to learn how do you rest?

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Speaker 5: Well, what do you need to do? Find out how

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Speaker 10: And your wife we're like you guys would be enjoying us.

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Speaker 9: And so we have learning what each one needs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Tell everybody about taco to Taco Tuesday.

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Speaker 9: Don't message pastor. And so we block out that time.

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Speaker 1: Ye, so you got like, what tell me what else

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Speaker 5: Tons of chips, tons of tortilla chips. The holidays.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know there are people watching, You're listening

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Speaker 5: I call it a forced wress, a foresdress.

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Speaker 9: So I'm gonna hustle, I'm gonna work hard during this time.

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Speaker 9: But now you have to spend that money, spend that

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Speaker 7: Yes, we don't rest, then our bodies will pay a

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Speaker 1: A lot of times as long as rebel. That would

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Speaker 1: Well, we're talking with pastor Carrick Butler, whose book Rhythm

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Speaker 1: of Rest. Rachel just quickly kind of share how the

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Speaker 1: Lord dealt with you on the whole sleep thing. You

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Speaker 1: and Josh have a funny store.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's so funny when me and my husband went

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Speaker 4: to marriage Conselana, they give you, like all these questions

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Speaker 4: and you've got to fill them out, and we get

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Speaker 4: this with Anna. You want to fill it out separately

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Speaker 4: and then you come together, and we were really solid

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Speaker 4: on most of them. I think we're probably a little

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Speaker 4: unique in the facts that I was like wanting to

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Speaker 4: know everything before I got into this, I'm like, I

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Speaker 4: need to know old things.

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Speaker 3: But the one question, yes, I was like, you.

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Speaker 4: Got on this to this questionnaire is what time do

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Speaker 4: you go to bed? Because I was like, you, I

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Speaker 4: was a night owl. I stayed up all night, but

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Speaker 4: my husband went to bed early, and.

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Speaker 1: So it was driving him crazy. Yes, does he want

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Speaker 1: to go to bed like nine o'clock? And she's like

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Speaker 1: two o'clock.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that was a like we literally never fought at all,

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Speaker 4: and when people would ask like, how's your first year marriage,

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Speaker 4: It's like, it's great. We just can't get aligned on

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Speaker 4: when we go to sleep. And so, you know, I

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Speaker 4: just have a lot of drive, a lot of you know,

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Speaker 4: just wanting to do everything with excellence. I always joke

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Speaker 4: around with my team I'm recovering perfectionist, because I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That you ever fully get there.

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Speaker 4: But I learned when I got out of college the

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Speaker 4: world doesn't reward perfection. It rewards people who get stuck done.

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Speaker 4: And so I had to go through this, like you know,

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Speaker 4: journey with the Lord. When I wanted to become a mom,

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Speaker 4: I knew that it wasn't I was going.

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Speaker 1: To say two kids will change that too.

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Speaker 4: It. Yeah, it couldn't be a reality that I was

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Speaker 4: at the office till like ten eleven twelve, and it

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Speaker 4: wasn't because anybody was making me be here. I remember

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Speaker 4: Dad would email me, go home, are your mom has

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Speaker 4: made dinner?

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Speaker 1: Come home?

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Speaker 4: And he knew like he wasn't going to call me,

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Speaker 4: he was gonna have to send an email because I.

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Speaker 1: Would be working.

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Speaker 4: It's true, it's true, but you know, we just had

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Speaker 4: to unlearn some of those kind of bad habits that

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Speaker 4: I got into. And like I said earlier at the

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Speaker 4: beginning of the show, the Lord convicted my heart and

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Speaker 4: he said if you if you do less, I can

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Speaker 4: do more in life.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I was very much the same way as you. I'm

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Speaker 3: a night person. I feel better at night, I have

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Speaker 3: more energy at night. I wake up in the morning

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Speaker 3: and I don't feel good to start with. So I've

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Speaker 3: had to change everything, including my confession. I wake up

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Speaker 3: in the what you say, I'm energized, joy, strength, you

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Speaker 3: know what.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: But if you start changing your confession, you change the

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Speaker 3: words that come out of your mouth, as well as

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Speaker 3: change your sleep habit, it can make it an otherwise

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Speaker 3: I was doing forced list.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not just sleep, but something that helped me

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Speaker 4: as I now work out in the morning and having

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Speaker 4: that consistent, Yes, it kind of helps.

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Speaker 1: With instead of doing that at night. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think me going to earlier and waking up early,

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Speaker 1: like you said, I think that time my mind is

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Speaker 1: really clear for the Lord to speak to me early

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Speaker 1: in the morning.

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Speaker 8: Well, I married someone that's like the two of you. Okay,

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Speaker 8: I was the one that was in bed earlier.

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Speaker 1: But you like to lay on the beach and read

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Speaker 1: your book.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, That's what I like to do.

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Speaker 1: That's rest.

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Speaker 8: But we had to come together as well, trying to

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Speaker 8: figure out what would work best. But it is I

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Speaker 8: found as well, going to bed earlier and getting up earlier.

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Speaker 8: It seems like you can get a lot more accomplished

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Speaker 8: during the day by doing that.

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Speaker 4: I think that's scientific, right, Like there's certain things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you know, honestly, guys, I know you probably

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Speaker 6: think it's funny, but the most refreshing, re energizing thing

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Speaker 6: that I do is watch koreantivity.

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Speaker 1: I mean every I.

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Speaker 8: Mean I think about it.

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Speaker 6: You have to read, we have to read the subtitles.

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Speaker 6: You know, I can't text, I can't answer the phone.

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Speaker 6: I can't do anything but read the subtitles. It is

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Speaker 6: the most enjoyable thing, that's.

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Speaker 1: Honestly how I risk like, well, there's the other things

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Speaker 1: you do. Know you listen to worship music, absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: mean God is always first. But I can tell you

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Speaker 1: at the end the day, from nine thirty to eleven thirty,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Career. I'll never forget this program. I had

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Speaker 1: no idea about George.

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Speaker 3: She has told me that, and I said, to you,

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Speaker 3: speak any Korean. She said, it's coming to her as

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Speaker 3: she watches.

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Speaker 7: You know, David and I are different in that he's

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Speaker 7: a night out. But what would happen is I'd say, well, baby,

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to bed without you. And it didn't

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Speaker 7: take long till I kept I would just lay on

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Speaker 7: the couch if he wanted to work or whatever and

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Speaker 7: go to sleep. But he got to feel in so

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Speaker 7: bad that I needed to go to bed, but I

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Speaker 7: wouldn't go without him. That he changed the way he

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Speaker 7: goes to bed. Now he goes to bed earlier. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and more productive. We are as a couple more productive

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Speaker 7: by going to bed earlier.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so early. Well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to sound like super spiritual, but for me,

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Speaker 1: like even like taking a bath at that's RESTful. But

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Speaker 1: putting on because you're with your phone now you can

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Speaker 1: put on the Word of God and have it read

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Speaker 1: to you. Why you just close your eyes. That's really

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Speaker 1: powerful too, is it is? It is?

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Speaker 9: You have to learn how you rest and you take

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Speaker 9: advantage of it.

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Speaker 5: So you know how you rest, You know how you rest.

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Speaker 9: So whatever the way you rest, whether it's listening toread TV, whether.

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Speaker 5: It's taking a bath, protect it.

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Speaker 9: I will not interrupt this because once you know that,

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Speaker 9: it's a blessing.

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Speaker 5: To you, it's a gift of God to you.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think this concept is so hard.

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Speaker 5: Because the culture we're live in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right here, right here for the phone social I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like gen Z might be getting it because

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Speaker 4: but the millennials were like very useful, well used.

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Speaker 7: To I remember as I got older and a young adult,

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Speaker 7: you were made to feel bad you needed sleep, like

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Speaker 7: you were lazy, you were not productive. How could you

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Speaker 7: need that much sleep? So it was indoctrinated.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying the internet, AI social media I mean

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Speaker 1: all of us sitting here at this table. If you

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Speaker 1: lost your phone today, you'd be panicking. We've got to

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Speaker 1: get to a place or we put that phone down.

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Speaker 1: We bought a little cabinet. Rachel showed it to me online.

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Speaker 1: And when when they and when they come over like

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Speaker 1: to get in body, We're like, put it in the cabinet.

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Speaker 1: We don't put it. You're not taking your phone out

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Speaker 1: to the pool. We're gonna play with the kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: during the meal. Put it in the cabin you know,

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Speaker 1: at the meal. Like, have you ever looked around a restaurant, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, at a family they're all on their phone.

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Speaker 1: So this is a big deal, right it is.

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Speaker 9: And so we've had to learn how to put the

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Speaker 9: phone the other room. And so one of the things

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Speaker 9: I had part of this journey because you know what happens.

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Speaker 1: On Taco Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Where are the phones somewhere else? Yeah, on the other

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Speaker 5: side of the room.

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Speaker 9: Because I had to start doing this when I woke

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Speaker 9: up in the morning. I don't sleep next to my

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Speaker 9: phone anymore. No, that's a cabinet away from because you

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Speaker 9: know the reason I slept next because that's what I'm

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Speaker 9: on right before I fall asleep.

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Speaker 5: So your alarm and the alarm, and so I have

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Speaker 5: to learn.

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Speaker 9: I said, well, you know what, I can put the

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Speaker 9: alarm on my watch and keep the phone in the

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Speaker 9: other room.

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Speaker 5: And then I can make sure putting.

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Speaker 1: My phone in the other room too, because even if

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Speaker 1: I have it on vibrating, how do you how do

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Speaker 1: you wake up? That's what he's called an alarm clock.

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Speaker 1: It's what we were used in the olden days. Guess

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Speaker 1: what you're getting in your stocking or rooster? We have

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Speaker 1: a clock. We have a clock because we can see

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Speaker 1: what time it is. And then we have said it yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he goes.

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Speaker 3: By, I love the name of your book, the Rhythm

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Speaker 3: of Risk, because we each have our own rhythm. We

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Speaker 3: each have our own way that God's dealing with us.

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Speaker 3: And to find our specific rhythm is really important, is it?

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Speaker 5: It's really important because we live offbeat and not see.

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Speaker 1: I rebelled against my rhythm.

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Speaker 3: My rhythm might have been saying go to sleep, and

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Speaker 3: I said.

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Speaker 1: No, I've got stuff to do, you know, so we

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Speaker 1: have to find me in I mean, I've been done

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Speaker 1: the same thing, stayed up late. Oh yeah, but you

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Speaker 1: know what if you get on that phone and start scrolling.

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Speaker 1: You can. You can go an hour not even realize

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Speaker 1: what that is so crazy, So how about just taking

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Speaker 1: a moment, if you would, kerk and just pray for

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Speaker 1: those that are watching right now that you know, you

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Speaker 1: know you're not resting, and it's showing up in your body,

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Speaker 1: your soul and your spirit and all those need rest.

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Speaker 9: Yes, now I'm going to pray for you, and you're

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Speaker 9: gonna have the best rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Father, I thank you that you are the God of peace,

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Speaker 9: and part of the definition of peace is rest. So

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Speaker 9: I pray for everyone under the sign my voice. I

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Speaker 9: pray that they'll be refreshed right now spiritually, emotionally, mentally, physically,

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Speaker 9: that they'll receive rest in their family, rest in their

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Speaker 9: social life.

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Speaker 5: I pray for those who struggle with going.

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Speaker 9: To sleep, who are dealing with nightmares and night terrors.

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Speaker 9: I rebuke that in the name of Jesus, because you

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Speaker 9: said you give us sleep because.

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Speaker 5: You love us. So we received sleep because you love us.

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Speaker 5: And rest.

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Speaker 9: I asked you grant us wisdom so that we know

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Speaker 9: how to rest and live in the rhythm of rest.

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Speaker 5: Father also asked.

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Speaker 9: For those who are leaving to take the best vacation

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Speaker 9: of their life. I asked that you grant them everything

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Speaker 9: they need to take that vacation. And when they go,

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Speaker 9: they have favor and they experience upgrade after upgrade after upgrade.

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Speaker 9: Protect them as they travel, protect them as they come back.

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Speaker 9: May they enjoy the rest you provide for them in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Well, we are out of time, and I want

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Speaker 1: to leave you with this thought. God created you to

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Speaker 1: have rest in your life. And when we strive in

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Speaker 1: our own strength, we fail because we are not called

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Speaker 1: to live by our own strength. The Lord tells us

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Speaker 1: in Matthew eleven, coming to me, all you that labor

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Speaker 1: and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

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Speaker 1: if you need rest today. Maybe you don't know Jesus.

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Speaker 1: The most important prayer that you could pray today is

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Speaker 1: to invite him into your heart. Just say, Jesus, I

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Speaker 1: believe you died on the cross for my sins. Forgive

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Speaker 1: me Come into my heart today and be Lord and

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Speaker 1: savior of my life. And I'll tell you what that

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Speaker 1: is the prayer that prepares you for eternity. And there

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Speaker 1: is nothing, nothing more important than that. I always talk

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Speaker 1: about my Grandpa because he has such a great influence

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Speaker 1: on my life. He didn't know how to pray Anna.

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Speaker 1: He just said, God, if you're there, God, if you're there,

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Speaker 1: I need you at nineteen years of age and God

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Speaker 1: transformed his life. Well. There was a prayer line number

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Prayer partners, you're standing by. If you

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer, call us let us know. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to send you the Book of John. The Gospel of

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Speaker 1: John is a great place to start. It's our free

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Speaker 1: gift to you and just our way of saying we

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Speaker 1: love you. We're believing God to do great things in

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Speaker 1: your life. I want to thank Pastor Carrick Butler for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy

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Speaker 1: of his book. It's called Rhythm of Rest, God's Blueprint

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Speaker 1: for a fulfilling life. Is available now on all major platforms.

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Speaker 1: You can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast,

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Speaker 1: available now on all major platforms. I still can't believe

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Speaker 1: Dorothy watches Green TV. She does. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for watching today. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 10: God bless you by bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, what if any of the illnesses we face today

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Speaker 1: are not only physical, but signals pointing us to a

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Speaker 1: deeper healing, one that begins in our thoughts, emotions, the spirit. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guest reveals God's blueprint for total recovery and how

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Speaker 1: his design allows us to walk in wholeness from the

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Speaker 1: inside out. But before we get to that journey around

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Speaker 1: the table is Cindy Johnston? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing great, happy to be here today and learn. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I'm thankful to be able to hear people that have

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Speaker 8: been in medicine and have studied and shown themselves to

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Speaker 8: be brilliant people, but have seen ways that God can

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Speaker 8: do things that are different than maybe what they were taught.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing better than a doctor who brings a God

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Speaker 1: card into it. Dorothy News absolutely reform every.

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Speaker 5: Day to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they're the best ones. I mean, to

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Speaker 6: be led by God and the Holy Spirit. You couldn't

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Speaker 6: have anything better.

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Speaker 1: We have a new doctor here, Yeah, at the table,

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Speaker 1: don't Rachel Lambre.

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Speaker 4: And our health really is compromised of mind, body, and spirit,

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Speaker 4: and so many times we don't really think about the

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Speaker 4: mind and how it affects our overall healths.

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Speaker 5: I'm interested to learn more.

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Speaker 1: About Rebecca lamb Wis. I know that this is interesting

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Speaker 1: to you as well as you're You and Rachel both

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Speaker 1: always interested in health and nutrition and how we can

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Speaker 1: do better, how can we be better?

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Speaker 12: You know, I remember going to Oral Roberts University and

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Speaker 12: one of the things with Oreu was spirit, soul, and body,

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Speaker 12: and he was always whole person education.

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Speaker 1: And now that I'm thirty three and I.

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Speaker 5: Look back on that, I was like, oh, wow, that's true.

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Speaker 1: We be thirty three because I'm only like thirty eight.

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Speaker 12: But we have to steward all three while we're on

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Speaker 12: this earth, not just one.

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Speaker 1: And we've got doctor Avery and Karen Marie Jackson at

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Speaker 1: the table. Welcome guys, thanks for having us. It's so

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Speaker 1: good to have you. We have a real neurosurgeon today

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Speaker 1: at the table. Well, what if true healing goes deeper

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Speaker 1: than medicine alone. Doctor Avery and Karen Marie reveal why

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Speaker 1: lasting restoration begins when we address the whole person body, soul,

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Speaker 1: and Spirit and they're going to share some powerful insights

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Speaker 1: from his book The Prescription, And hey, this is amazing.

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Speaker 1: A neurosurgeon listening to the Holy Spirit. How did that happen?

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Speaker 13: Well, he got a hold of me first, so I

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Speaker 13: was always biased.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about that's an interesting story because a

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Speaker 1: lot of times we think, don't underestimate God to speaking

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Speaker 1: to your children, or don't underestimate your child praying a

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Speaker 1: prayer and receiving Jesus in their heart. Okay, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really is the real thing that happened with me

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Speaker 1: in my life. And so I know what happened with you.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what happened.

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Speaker 13: So my grandmother, who's from Honduras British Hounduras, belieze a

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Speaker 13: really spicy personality. But when she get upset, her blood

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Speaker 13: pressure would go up, and so she had a stroke.

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Speaker 13: And I love my grandma, my mom's mom, and so

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Speaker 13: I saw this droopiness on one side of her face

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Speaker 13: when I was in second grade, and so I asked

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Speaker 13: the Lord, how can I help people like my grandmother

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Speaker 13: who had brain problems? And then I heard about a

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Speaker 13: month or so later, him saying, I want you to

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Speaker 13: be a neurosurgeon. That's your calling. And I was like,

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Speaker 13: I don't even know like what that is, and no

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Speaker 13: one of my family's a doc. So I looked it up.

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Speaker 13: Neurosurgeon means brain surgeon or spine surgeon. And I answered

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Speaker 13: the call and I said, okay, Lord, I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: So you stuck with it. Wow, like from twelve, like

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Speaker 1: it was that really impressive. It was real to you.

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Speaker 13: It was real to me. And even with the challenges,

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Speaker 13: I'm like, Lord, now here's all these roadblocks, and you said,

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Speaker 13: I'm going to be a neurosurgeon, so find a way

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Speaker 13: to help me get through this, because like, I don't

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Speaker 13: see a way. And then twenty four years later, then

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Speaker 13: I began practicing neurosurgery. And then I did that for

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Speaker 13: twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: Can he say one of the roadblocks?

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Speaker 13: So like, for instance, tests like standardized tests, like when

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Speaker 13: you're creative and you're thinking outside like boundaries, they'll ask

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Speaker 13: you five you know, they'll say here's the question and

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Speaker 13: here's five answers. But what if they are really more

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Speaker 13: answers than what the creators of the test had in mind, Well,

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Speaker 13: you're going to get the question the answer wrong. For instance,

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Speaker 13: so that was one of the rope blocks with standardized tests.

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Speaker 13: I hated standardized tests.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting. So tell us about this lovely young

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Speaker 1: lady sitting beside you.

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Speaker 13: This is my buddy and my girlfriend and your wife

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Speaker 13: and my wife Karen Marie, and I call her my buddy,

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Speaker 13: but her name for me is buddy. I called him.

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Speaker 1: So you are friends like and work together.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, yeah, I've actually worked for him for seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: But there was no no connection as far as no

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Speaker 1: romantic I have to say one.

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Speaker 14: In the first year that I worked for him, I

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Speaker 14: remember thinking, what a nice guy, what a good brother

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Speaker 14: in the lord.

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Speaker 5: But I could never be married to him.

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Speaker 14: But very very very high standards and very this is

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Speaker 14: how we have to do it, and we got to.

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Speaker 1: Do it now and not da da d so.

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Speaker 14: But but things have changed over the year.

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Speaker 1: And she's telling on you. This is what happens at

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Speaker 1: the table. Okay, So come and talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about h really going into if you will. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you've got you got conventional medicine that you've done. You've

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Speaker 1: done that, like you said, over thousands, over thousand surgeries,

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Speaker 1: and that would be on the brain and the spine right,

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Speaker 1: and did you did you sense the Lord with you

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Speaker 1: even as you were doing that? Would you pray?

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Speaker 13: Yes? So I used to. I used to pray for

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Speaker 13: my patients at home before the day before or the

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Speaker 13: day before I go in. You know, one day the

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Speaker 13: Lord said, he says, he said, I want you to

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Speaker 13: pray for your patients. And said, but Lord, I just

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Speaker 13: did that here at home. He goes, No, I want

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Speaker 13: you to pray for them at the hospital before surgery

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Speaker 13: and with them. And if if you don't acknowledge me

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Speaker 13: before men, I want to acknowledge you before the father WHOA.

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Speaker 13: That was about fifteen years ago. And so then I

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Speaker 13: began to pray with them in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: And what would they do when you say that?

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Speaker 13: And almost everyone to see it almost like maybe like

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Speaker 13: I would say point point and be like, well, no,

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Speaker 13: that's okay, but almost everyone would always say yep, please,

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Speaker 13: And then afterward wonder yeah, because you can read Wonder

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Speaker 13: the knife.

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Speaker 1: And it's like you're going to be counting ten nine eight,

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Speaker 1: You're gone, right.

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Speaker 13: And then some people, though, would see that. Nurses and

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Speaker 13: doctors somewhat were encouraged, but others would be upset because

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Speaker 13: I was praying.

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Speaker 1: And like, what are you doing? Yeah, but tell us

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Speaker 1: about a surgery that you know that God inspired and

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Speaker 1: helped you navigate and you wouldn't have been able to

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Speaker 1: do what you did without it.

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Speaker 13: So there's so many Okay, I like yes, so because

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Speaker 13: because I pray in my heavenly language when I'm operating,

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Speaker 13: and I can feel his peace, and so when I

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Speaker 13: don't have his piece, I'm like, whoa stop.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 6: What that is?

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Speaker 1: People are like, what did he just say?

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Speaker 12: Okay, and you're in the clouds behind you the house,

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Speaker 12: look behind me here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we're talking about in the clouds right here,

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Speaker 1: right here behind me.

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Speaker 13: So one case, one case was a little boys name

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Speaker 13: was Jackson, and he had a tumor brain tumb just

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Speaker 13: like you, just like me. Had a brain tumor was

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Speaker 13: called Achreid plexus papaloma. So it was in an area

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Speaker 13: of the brain where it was surrounded by spinal fluid

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Speaker 13: and there's lots of blood vessels and it continued to

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Speaker 13: bleed and so we were we operated for twenty four

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Speaker 13: hours straight. Wow, and I was I know. So we

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Speaker 13: would take like these little sterile naps where it was

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Speaker 13: sterile and you could sit and like kind of close

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Speaker 13: your eyes for a second and get back up. Because

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Speaker 13: he was in such critical condition, we didn't want to

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Speaker 13: close and then reduce surgery another day or complete the surgery.

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Speaker 1: And so you're having to deal with all these little blood.

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Speaker 13: Vestales yes or you need to even get to yes,

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Speaker 13: and when you bleed when you would operate in that area,

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Speaker 13: spinal fluid is actually like a blood thinner, so it

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Speaker 13: makes the bleeding worse as you're cutting.

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Speaker 1: And you have to be careful because his spinal fluid.

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Speaker 13: Yes, and careful because you're right in the middle of

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Speaker 13: the brain.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So at one point in the surgery, did you think, Okay,

883
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: this is good, this is bad. I don't know why

884
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: you would help me.

885
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 13: Well, so the Lord gave me peace. And I was

886
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 13: actually assisting a senior surgeon at that time, but he

887
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 13: gave me peace about it. We went in and then

888
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 13: just there were ups and downs emotionally and otherwise because

889
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 13: you do well, and then they'd be more bleeding and

890
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 13: not pretty soon you're trying to stop the bleeding. It's

891
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 13: not stopping, and you're like, well, the child and we

892
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 13: have so much blood volume before they die. So it

893
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 13: was a back and forth, but then at the end

894
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 13: we were able to get the tumor out, stop the bleeding,

895
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 13: and then the child did fine.

896
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: Amazing.

897
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 13: Wow, that was a heart of hearts. Blood transfusions in

898
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 13: the child. No, but you're absolutely right though a lot

899
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 13: of times, especially in adults who are less resilient, we'd

900
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 13: have blood transfusion.

901
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: So what's a story where it looked like impossible as

902
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: far as maybe removing a tumor us fine.

903
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 13: There was a gentleman who had a meningioma tumor in

904
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 13: the in the neck and the spine and a nine tumor.

905
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 13: But it was so big that we thought if we

906
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 13: just if we move the wrong way and take it out,

907
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 13: it'll paralyze him from his waist, from his arms down.

908
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 13: And so taking the tumor out taken out slowly, slowly,

909
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 13: and you saw right through the spinal cord because it

910
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 13: was that thin. It had thinned out because of the

911
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 13: pressure of tumor. And so the Lord was I would

912
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 13: ask the Lord, okay, should I go right or left?

913
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 13: And should I pull or should I pull from one

914
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 13: side of the other, and he would say, don't do

915
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 13: that do this, And so I was like, okay, because

916
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 13: had I just pulled and that would have been it,

917
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 13: right and Praise the Lord, tumor came out and now

918
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 13: he's he had full recovery.

919
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

920
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 13: So that was like big was the tumor.

921
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: It was huge?

922
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 15: I mean it was if it was nigh because of

923
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 15: the pressure pressure on he was starting to have problems

924
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 15: with like bottle and ladder and walking, and a lot

925
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 15: of people didn't want to do.

926
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 12: His surgery because of.

927
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 13: How risky it was because they knew if we make

928
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 13: a mistake, that's it. He's paralyzed.

929
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about heavenly language.

930
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 13: Yeah, oh yeah.

931
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: So we talked about here many times about salvation and

932
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: that's the most important prayer you can pray, and that's

933
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: where you forgot to live the world world that he gave.

934
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: He's only begotten son who's over believing in him will

935
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: not perish but have everlasting life. So I'd say, do

936
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen if you die tomorrow?

937
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Do you know where you would go? And if you don't,

938
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: then I would just encourage you to pray this prayer

939
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: because salvation is a free gift. You don't have to

940
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: work for it. Kara Marie will tell us about her

941
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: thinking that she had to work her way to get

942
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: to heaven. But it's a free gift, is what Jesus

943
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: said on the cross for you, and meaning to say, Jesus,

944
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: forgive me, come into my heart. You know, I believe

945
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: you died on the cross, you raised, you were raised

946
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: on the third day, and you paid the price for

947
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: my sins. And your blood that you shed on that

948
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: cross pays for my sin because you came to this

949
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: earth and lived a sinless life and paid the price

950
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: for our sin. Because the Bible says for all of

951
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: sin to come short with the glory of God. Okay,

952
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: I have to tell you all that, because then Jesus

953
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: said he's expedient that I'd go away, that the comforter

954
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: may come. He's talking about the Holy Spirit, and y'a

955
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: offered father son, Holy Spirit. Right, everybody, the Holy Spirit.

956
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to talk about Holy but he's on the earth.

957
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: He's the one who draws your heart to God. And

958
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: so he is another gift. Right. And so not only

959
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: do we say Lord save me and forgive me, but

960
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: Lord fill me with your Holy Spirit, and he comes.

961
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: But the beautiful thing about the Holy Spirit is that

962
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: he gives this a prayer language. He died to talk

963
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: about that.

964
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 13: So in the prayer language. Obviously, when you pray in tongues,

965
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 13: people think that you're just making up words, right, But

966
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 13: a study by Andrew N. Newburgh two thousand and five

967
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 13: Jefferson Hospital shows that under a certain cat scan, a

968
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 13: spec scan, he looked at people who prayed in their

969
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 13: heavenly language and then prayed in their normal language, their

970
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 13: native language. And when they pray in their native language,

971
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 13: the frontal part of their brain, the frontal lobes light up,

972
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 13: which is span sense because it's not right, and that's

973
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 13: party communicated talks makes sound. But the and when you

974
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 13: pray in your heavenly language, those don't light up, and

975
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 13: instead the parietal lobes on the sides light up. And

976
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 13: what those are our receptive areas. So you're listening and

977
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 13: responding and submitting to the Holy Spirit. And then you

978
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 13: still make sound, which shouldn't shouldn't.

979
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: Make it to be possible.

980
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 13: You should be possible to make sound and do that.

981
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: So how how much should it surprise doctor Newberg when

982
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: he when he discovered that was he a believer.

983
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 13: And he was. I know he's Jewish, and I think

984
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 13: he has seen some he had some some belief, but

985
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 13: I'm not sure that he was completely you.

986
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Know, but that had to astound him when I think it.

987
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 13: I think it did. And also his paper from two

988
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 13: thousand and five or before, he had another paper on

989
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 13: chanting and hypnosis, and he noted between the two thousand

990
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 13: and five paper and the two thousand and six paper

991
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 13: praying in tongues, that that area one in one case

992
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 13: when you when you were aware of yourself but not

993
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 13: eve can troll, that that's where the temporal lobe and

994
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 13: pridal lobes lit up. But when you are just in

995
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 13: a trance, then that part that the pridal lobe didn't

996
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 13: light up you weren't aware of yourself. Is the difference

997
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 13: between the two papers. So it's really kind of interesting.

998
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 14: And he mentioned the difference those that were praying in

999
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 14: tongues regularly, how emotionally and mentally healthy.

1000
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: They they stable they were. He actually noted that he

1001
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: noted that in his study than ever you're thinking about that,

1002
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: so it's a free gift and you just say, you know, Lord,

1003
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: I want everything you have from me, feel me with

1004
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: your Holy Spirit. And so that's for everyone, right. What

1005
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: about you? I was when I got born again. It

1006
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: was through the Charismatic movement in the Catholic because you

1007
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: were older. How old are you?

1008
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 14: Oh at that at that point, I was nineteen nineteen, okay.

1009
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 14: And there was this program called the Life Life in

1010
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 14: the Spirit Seminar, and so it was a teaching and

1011
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 14: prayer time and there was prayer you know, over me,

1012
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 14: you know, let whatever is in you come out, and

1013
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 14: it was just.

1014
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: And you're just sitting and you're sitting there like what, yes.

1015
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 14: Exactly, like okay, what what am I supposed to be

1016
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 14: doing right now? And I've heard some stories from people

1017
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 14: saying that they just started saying something because they just wanted.

1018
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: To get out of there.

1019
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 14: But that but you know, when it's just your own

1020
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 14: volition and making you know, da da sounds or whatever,

1021
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 14: and you can do that with your frontal lobo.

1022
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: When it's coming from.

1023
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 14: The Holy Spirit, he does he does take over.

1024
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: Well you know for me, Like for me, it's just

1025
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: to go to when I don't know what to pray yes,

1026
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: or when everything is falling apart, or if I'm just

1027
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: completely overwhelmed. I'm just like, this is what I'm going

1028
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: to do. You pray in the spirit, and what does

1029
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: the Bible say about when we pray in our prayer language?

1030
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 13: Yes, so when we're praying out the perfect will of

1031
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 13: God which is amazing straight into the throne room and

1032
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 13: he knows actually for me and for other people.

1033
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, And it's the secret things we pray, the

1034
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 14: secrets of God.

1035
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, the God prescription. Who is this for

1036
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: in how can it help people?

1037
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 13: It's for everybody, right, for Christians, non Christians, and it

1038
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 13: can help people understand who they are, especially those that

1039
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 13: are in Christ and why those aren't in Christ need

1040
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 13: to be in Christ and accept the you know, the

1041
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 13: prayer language and accept the Lord as Savior. And then

1042
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 13: also it supports wellness and spirit, soul and body because

1043
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 13: they're all connected. So we you know, in medicine, it

1044
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 13: was all about well, it's a physical body, and therefore

1045
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 13: this is how you take care of your physical body,

1046
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 13: but we ignored our emotional life and our spiritual lives,

1047
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 13: and so that basically means we're only taking care of

1048
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 13: one third of the person.

1049
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: So how do our emotions impact our overall general heart rate.

1050
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 13: So eighty five percent of diseases of the body are

1051
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 13: either caused directly or indirectly by your emotional unwealth. So

1052
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 13: it's a direct correlation.

1053
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: And what is emotional in wellness?

1054
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 13: Why I can so anxiety, depression, trauma, rama, especially in children, unforgiveness,

1055
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 13: unforgiveness children, bitterness, all of that because there's a subconscious

1056
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 13: loop that's created in your subconscious mind. Your subconscious mind

1057
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 13: functions at about four billion actions per second, and every

1058
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 13: second about ten of those thoughts or actions come up

1059
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 13: to your conscious mind, so you can evaluate those. But

1060
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 13: when the destruction is occurring, you see differently than other

1061
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 13: people around you, your perceptions different and that creates a

1062
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 13: fight or flight phenomenon that was coined by Walter Cannon

1063
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 13: at Harvard, and so that's really important because if you

1064
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 13: see something that's scary and everybody else thinks is fine,

1065
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 13: your body is going to react that way and your

1066
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 13: brain is going to tell your body you know, something's

1067
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 13: really wrong, and that creates a whole host of problems

1068
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 13: in your body.

1069
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: So what are some of the things for people who

1070
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: are watching that they may be doing. Are that things

1071
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: that maybe happening to them that is causing physical illness.

1072
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: And you're completely convinced that spiritual and emotional issues can

1073
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: affect our physical body.

1074
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 13: I'm completely convinced. And the reason is because of the

1075
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 13: natural killer cell, which is a part of the immune system.

1076
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 13: We see what happens to the natural killer cell when

1077
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 13: you have depressionary anxiety. People tend to have more upper

1078
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 13: reestory tract infections and other infections. And even in my

1079
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 13: own practice, I saw people who had clinical anxiety and depression.

1080
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 13: They healed less well. Like I could put stitches in

1081
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 13: after I'm done surgery in their spine, but the skin

1082
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 13: wouldn't close, it wouldn't heal.

1083
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 12: Wait, what would that natural killer cell do in someone

1084
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 12: with depression or anxiety?

1085
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 13: So the natural killer cell has two primary functions. It

1086
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 13: kills viruses and infections and precancerous and cancer cells. So

1087
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 13: when the natural killer cell isn't functioning normally, than your

1088
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 13: risk of inflammation and infection and cancer is higher.

1089
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: Well, and until we were talking about this earlier, that

1090
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: have several on collegist friends and one of them has

1091
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: been practicing for thirty years. He told me that if

1092
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: he has a patient that doesn't know the Lord or

1093
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: has lost hope. Hope deferred makes a heart sick that

1094
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: so many times they are the ones that can't recover.

1095
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: You can have the two patients with the same and

1096
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: treat him and one be healed and the other die.

1097
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Speaker 1: And he said, and you could trace it all back

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Speaker 1: to the loss of hope.

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Speaker 13: That's right. When you have a relationship with the Lord,

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Speaker 13: he is greater than you. So now you're not relying

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Speaker 13: on your ability to know that you have help, and

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Speaker 13: you have authority, and you have power and all those

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Speaker 1: And He lives on the inside of you want people

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Speaker 1: to understand, when you invite Jesus in, we become the

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Speaker 1: righteousness of God in Christ. Right, So talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about that.

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Speaker 13: So, because we are a spirit man, a human on

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Speaker 13: the inside of what is an earth suit, uh, he

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Speaker 13: will allow will empower us to understand who we are.

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Speaker 13: And once you understand that you're not your earth suit,

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Speaker 13: and that changes everything because now you say, okay, wait

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Speaker 13: a minute, that means that I can help heal myself

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Speaker 13: through the Holy Spirit physically, my physical body and my

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Speaker 13: emotions because I know who I really am. As a

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Speaker 1: And what and what kind of things are there? Like materials?

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Speaker 1: It was just your book, the God prescription, but the

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Speaker 1: Word of God, yes, the Bible, yes, what practices it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: what practices can they do to help in the healing process?

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Speaker 1: Look read a personal example.

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Speaker 14: Okay, you know of a situation where you feel really

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Speaker 14: anxious about something that you're that you know, you just

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Speaker 14: can't stop in yourself, yes, stop thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, what happens?

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Speaker 14: You know, your heart rate might go up, your palms

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Speaker 14: might sweat, your stomach might feel nauseous. So those are

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Speaker 14: physical reactions to what's going on internally.

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Speaker 1: So that tells us there's a connection.

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Speaker 14: But what does Isaiah twenty six to three say, I

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Speaker 14: will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed

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Speaker 14: on me because he trusts in me. So for myself,

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Speaker 14: a situation like that of thinking, you know, what are

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Speaker 14: we going to do?

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Speaker 1: What are we going to do?

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Speaker 14: And of course that's the accuser wanting to keep putting

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Speaker 14: that in our head. But when you purposely say, okay, no, Lord,

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Speaker 14: the situation is real, but I am going to keep

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Speaker 14: my mind state on you, and you're going to keep

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Speaker 14: me in perfect peace because of that.

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Speaker 1: But we can receive healing and restoration and all the

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Speaker 1: things that we need physically, spiritually and emotionally because of

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Speaker 1: what Jesus did on the cross. It all goes back

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Speaker 1: to that. As the people that were watching the Passion

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Speaker 1: with Mel Gibson's movie, so many testimonies of when he

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Speaker 1: was the thirty nine stripes, or when he was being crucified,

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Speaker 1: or when they saw the blood running down across that

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Speaker 1: people were actually healed watching that because the Bible says

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Speaker 1: he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for

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Speaker 1: our iniquity, suggesstismographies was upon him and with his stripes,

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Speaker 1: we are healed.

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Speaker 13: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 13: So, and healing is spiritual, emotional and physical. When I

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Speaker 13: say spiritual, our spirit man is completely formed and is

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Speaker 13: completely powerful. The issue is our knowledge and our awareness

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Speaker 13: of who we are in our authority in Christ. That's

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Speaker 13: the issue. So that's what's broken. So that's where our

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Speaker 13: relationship with Christ and oily spirit comes in. And once

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Speaker 13: we know who we are spiritually, then that's going to

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Speaker 13: affect our emotional life and then we go, wow, I

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Speaker 13: have a future. I have hope I have all this

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Speaker 13: authority and power. And then once we understand that emotionally,

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Speaker 13: now that's going to affect the natural killer cell une system.

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Speaker 13: Our blood pressure lowers versus when we're anxious bloo pressure

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Speaker 13: is higher.

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Speaker 5: For instance, you know.

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Speaker 1: April's not here today, She's usually on the table. April

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Speaker 1: Simon's and her mother Dodyo Stein the testimony of how

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Speaker 1: she came home from the hospital ship for stage that

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Speaker 1: liver can have metastasized to the liver, and they basically said,

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Speaker 1: she has weeks to live, and she comes home and

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Speaker 1: gets up and cooks April breakfast and continues her life

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Speaker 1: like she has nothing and even stands on the Bible.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, well she said I will live and

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Speaker 1: not die to clear the works of the land. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and lived on to be in my nineties, And so

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Speaker 1: what about that? Like that mindset, because again it's not

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Speaker 1: about you're not denying what you have, but you're declaring

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Speaker 1: that God is greater.

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Speaker 13: That's exactly right. And also that my children know my

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Speaker 13: voice and the voice of a stranger I'll not follow

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Speaker 13: is really important. So which voice are we listening to?

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Speaker 13: Are we listening to the voice that says you have

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Speaker 13: this and you're gonna die? Are we listening to God's voice?

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Speaker 13: That's as you know, then greater see this in me

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Speaker 13: than he is in the world, and that you're an

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Speaker 13: overcomer and that you're heal And I think you have

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Speaker 13: to spend time with him, praying in tongues and the

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Speaker 13: word to actually believe what he's saying is true for you.

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Speaker 1: And every journey is different, I mean because I mean

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Speaker 1: there are people that I've interviewed that miraculous, were miraculous

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Speaker 1: heal that that's a miracle, yes, like we're just overnight.

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Speaker 1: And then there are other people that were healed and

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Speaker 1: went through a healing journey. And the Lord even used

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Speaker 1: it to teach an important lescense. He didn't cause it,

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Speaker 1: but he will use everything in our life. Is that right?

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 13: Especially faith and patience they go together. So Pastor Deborah

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Speaker 13: which is Bishop Butler's wife, which is my spiritual dad,

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Speaker 13: I wrote a book on Yeah, the wonder twins faith

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Speaker 13: and patience, and you see that in our journeys, like

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Speaker 13: with everything we've been going through. Is that you know,

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Speaker 13: I've learned that when I'm giving a lecture I'm doing surgery.

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Speaker 13: If it's just me and I'm one hundred percent confident,

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Speaker 13: how often am I actually listening to Loy's spirit? But

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Speaker 13: when I'm in partnership with the Holy Spirit, I always

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Speaker 13: feel like a little bit off because I know I'm

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Speaker 13: not in control. And that's an okay place to be

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Speaker 13: knowing that He still has me.

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Speaker 16: Yes, And it's impossible, truly impossible, I believe, for you

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Speaker 16: to be able to do a twenty four hour surgery

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Speaker 16: without the Holy Spirit because physically your body, you're tired

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Speaker 16: and you have to tap into that inner strength.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, would you just take a moment and just

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Speaker 1: encourage someone that's watching. I don't know what you're going through,

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Speaker 1: but you need an answer, and I'm just telling you

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Speaker 1: the answer is in God, okay, and He's going to

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Speaker 1: help you. Would just take a moment and encourage doctor Jackson.

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Speaker 13: So whatever you're going through right now, understand that God

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Speaker 13: loves you and that He is all powerful and he's

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Speaker 13: all loved, and all you have to do is accept

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Speaker 13: Him into your heart by asking him into your heart.

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Speaker 13: You say, Lord, God, Lord, God, I asked you come

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Speaker 13: into my heart, to my heart, and that you forgive

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Speaker 13: me for my sins.

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Speaker 1: Forgive me my sins, and that you.

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Speaker 13: Died for me, for my ailments or any problem that

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Speaker 13: I have on the cross.

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Speaker 5: That you died for or any problem that I have.

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Speaker 13: And then you went to hell in my place. And

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Speaker 13: then you rose again on the third day, and that

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Speaker 13: you rose, and now you're in heaven with the Father,

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Speaker 13: with the Father advocating for me, aduating me. And now

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Speaker 13: you are my Lord and savior. You are, and I'm

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Speaker 13: born again and again. That's all you have to do, folks.

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Speaker 13: And so now you have all the richness and authority

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Speaker 13: and ability to be whole in spirit, soul and body,

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Speaker 13: and just because you received him today. So congratulations, and fill.

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Speaker 1: Me with your Holy Spirit, and fill me with your

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Speaker 1: Holy spirit. Yeah, because he's the one who will leading

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Speaker 1: Goddess into off truth. And he is our helper on

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Speaker 1: the earth, that's right. And his presence is on the

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Speaker 1: earth drawing the hearts of men to God. They all

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Speaker 1: work together in tandem, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So powerful?

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Speaker 1: Is this good? So I don't think you did you

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Speaker 1: say anything? Oh yeah, you did, as you said. Everybody

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Speaker 1: say something, Okay, well we are out of time. But

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that your body is a temple of

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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, and when you fully surrender your life

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Speaker 1: to Him, he brings healing and wholeness to every part

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Speaker 1: of you body, soul, and spirit. And even in the

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Speaker 1: broken world, you can lay hold fastest promises and walk

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Speaker 1: in true freedom. If you're watching today and you need prayer,

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Speaker 1: if you prayed that prayer with doctor Avery, I want

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Speaker 1: you to call that number on the screen. We have

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Speaker 1: amazing prayer partners that are standing by that would love

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Speaker 1: to pray with you. And I'd love to send you

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Speaker 1: the Gospel of John. It's a free gifts, a great

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Speaker 1: place to start in the Bible. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: tell you something. The Bible is your secret weapon, okay,

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Speaker 1: and just go into it and get to grab a verse.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was a teenager, I just did

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Speaker 1: one of those turned the pages, which I don't say

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Speaker 1: you should do. That kind of landed on. Jesus said,

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Speaker 1: coming to me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden,

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Speaker 1: and I will get give you rest. And it was

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Speaker 1: the season in my life I just needed to know

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Speaker 1: who was with me. He'll give you that rest, He'll

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Speaker 1: give you that peace, I promise he will change your life.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank doctor Avery and Karen Marie Jackson

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a

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Speaker 1: copy of Avery's book, The God Prescription. You need to

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Speaker 1: get it. For more you can visit them online at

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Speaker 1: know how table Talk is touching your life. We love

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Speaker 1: And some of you are sitting there saying I still

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Speaker 1: don't get that prayer language, saying, well, the Lord's going

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Speaker 1: to show you. Don't be afraid. It's not anything to

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Speaker 1: be afraid of. It's a beautiful experience. God wants to

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Speaker 1: use it in your life. I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. Thank you ladies, thank you doctor Jackson,

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Speaker 1: thank you Karen Marie for being here today. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. By byboard today