WEBVTT - Agenda 47: Trump's Plan To Invade Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>Alson Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to It could happen here a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about things falling apart in this week, podcast about Agenda

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven, Donald Trump's plan for you know, what to

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<v Speaker 2>do if he winds up winning re election and being

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<v Speaker 2>back in all of our lives in the sense of

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<v Speaker 2>having political power as opposed to just back in all

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<v Speaker 2>of our lives, because he never shuts the hell up,

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<v Speaker 2>and neither do any of the journalists who report on him.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about that all week. You've been listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the episodes put together one of my colleagues. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be talking about Trump's border policy, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>has promised to declare war on the cartels and use

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<v Speaker 2>the United States military to attack them. Before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into it, I do want to note, if you notice

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<v Speaker 2>this sounds a little bit different. I am in Texas currently.

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<v Speaker 2>My father has leukemia. He's being treated for on chemo

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital. Just finished came out actually, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to fly down to Texas last minute, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not recording this in my normal space. We should

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<v Speaker 2>be back to normal, you know, very soon here. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to explain if if you think it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds different. It's not me fucking something up. I just

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<v Speaker 2>had to fly across the country. So let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Agenda forty seven and the cartels. Back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight, when I was still a baby and in

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<v Speaker 2>fact in Dallas, Texas, as i am right now, I

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<v Speaker 2>worked as the secretary for a financial planner named Al Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>I was bad at this job, and I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>know much about financial planning then, but I have since

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<v Speaker 2>come to suspect that Al was not great at his

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<v Speaker 2>job either. The first sign at this might have been

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that when I took the job, Al got

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<v Speaker 2>excited because I mentioned during our little interview that I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a writer someday and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a novelist, and I was like, or a financial planner.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he hands me a copy of his self

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<v Speaker 2>published novel Operation night Watch. Now, the plot to this

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<v Speaker 2>motherfucker was barkingly mad. Spurred on by an epidemic of

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<v Speaker 2>inner city violence. The government sent in a team of

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<v Speaker 2>special Forces guys to take on the criminals. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the government who sends them. They may just be

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch like Green Berets and Navy seals who decide

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<v Speaker 2>to fight crime on their own. It's been a while

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<v Speaker 2>since I read the thing. I'm trying to have a

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<v Speaker 2>hardcover delivered to me, but there's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them left, so you may get to hear more from

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<v Speaker 2>this book. But anyway, the idea of this is that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all of these very much racially coded criminals in

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<v Speaker 2>the streets making life too dangerous for regular people, these

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<v Speaker 2>evil drug dealers and robbers, and we just need our

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<v Speaker 2>special forces guys to murder them, right. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of uncomfortable fetishization of brutal violence from this very

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<v Speaker 2>mild mannered seeming dude who mostly held meetings at Texas

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<v Speaker 2>roadhouses with old people to try to get them to

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<v Speaker 2>invest in annuities or whatever a split annuity is. I've

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<v Speaker 2>since forgotten so again, obviously, even at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly having lived either in the country the suburbs, I

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<v Speaker 2>had spent enough time in Dallas to know that his

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<v Speaker 2>description of inner city life was not precisely accurate. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I remember most about the book is that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even really a story. It was and talking to

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<v Speaker 2>Al made this clear. A literal description of the policy

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to see. The thin characters that he included

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<v Speaker 2>in the story were basically just there to help dress

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<v Speaker 2>up what was again a policy proposal, and that policy was,

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<v Speaker 2>we should use the US military to kill quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>drug dealers. Right now, over the last fifteen years or so,

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream Republican policy has actually caught up to my old boss,

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<v Speaker 2>and now President Trump has included in Agenda forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>a promise to invade Mexico with US special forces. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not the extent of the promise. We will be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that all through this fun episode. On Deceiver twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, the Trump campaign uploaded a page titled

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<v Speaker 2>President Donald J. Trump declares War on Cartels to his

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<v Speaker 2>campaign website. And I don't know about you, guys, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sick in the motherfucker's voice, So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>read how this opens. But if you go to the website,

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<v Speaker 2>you can listen to him say this if that makes

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<v Speaker 2>you happier. The drug cartels are waging war on America,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's now time for America to wage war on

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<v Speaker 2>the cartels. In this war, Joe Biden has cited against

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<v Speaker 2>the United States and with the cartels. They're making more

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<v Speaker 2>money than they've ever made before. Times ten. There's never

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<v Speaker 2>been anything like it. They're major, major companies. They're bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than even some of our biggest companies. Biden's open border

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<v Speaker 2>policies are a deadly betrayal of our nation. He's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>got a unique diction. Yet you know, Trump came up

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<v Speaker 2>with that one more or less on his own. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to be scripted.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump goes on to state after this that when he

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<v Speaker 2>is president again, the United States government will treat cartels

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<v Speaker 2>the same way they treated Isis, which you might recall

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<v Speaker 2>still exists and recently carried out an attack in Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans might note that this attack was by Isis k

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<v Speaker 2>or Isis Kruson, which is true. And boy, howdie does

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<v Speaker 2>Afghanistan come back into the story in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So just keep that in mind. But first let's continue

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump. He claims that under his presidency we had

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<v Speaker 2>a quote very very strong border and in fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest border in the history of the country, and quote

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<v Speaker 2>drugs were at a low for forty five years. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to fact check things that both Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 2>and Donald Trump say the use the diction he uses

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<v Speaker 2>here does make fact checking slightly difficult. The strongest border

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a meaningless term, right, But the claim about

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<v Speaker 2>drugs being at a low for forty five years can

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<v Speaker 2>be fact checked to some degree, although again his approach

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<v Speaker 2>to grammar makes it hard to tell what he's claiming here. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>is drugs at a low for forty five years? Mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like drug use is at a low, drug smuggling is

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<v Speaker 2>at a low? I don't know. He has made variations

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<v Speaker 2>of this claim often, though, including a note on his

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<v Speaker 2>campaign website in January twenty twenty three that under his presidency, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>drug overdose deaths decline nationwide for the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>nearly thirty years. So let's assume that that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what he meant to claim, that drug overdose deaths were

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<v Speaker 2>the lowest they've been for forty five for forty five years, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is again, I mean, it's just wrong on its

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<v Speaker 2>face because earlier he said for thirty years, So like,

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<v Speaker 2>which is it? Donald? But whatever, Let's say that what

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<v Speaker 2>he meant to claim is that under his presidency, drug

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<v Speaker 2>overdose deaths were at the lowest point in a long time. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>If we're being fair. That's the fairest I could be

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<v Speaker 2>to him. And it is true that the overdose death

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<v Speaker 2>rate dropped during Trump's presidency for one year eighteen. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the only year that it dropped. During each of the

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<v Speaker 2>other three years he was in office, the overdose rate rose,

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact, it rose by record numbers in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>PolitiFact also notes quote looking at overdose deaths from synthetic opioids,

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<v Speaker 2>the closely watched category that accounts for the largest share

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<v Speaker 2>of all opioid overdose deaths, the rate rose every year

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump's presidency. This is worth noting because all of

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<v Speaker 2>the things he wants to do at the border to

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<v Speaker 2>the cartels, all of his justifications for really needing to

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<v Speaker 2>crack down on human trafficking, for wanting to use the

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<v Speaker 2>Navy seals or whatever to kill cartel guys to basically

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<v Speaker 2>invade Mexico, it's to stop fentonl which he describes as

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<v Speaker 2>an existential threat to the country. And you know, makes

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<v Speaker 2>the claim that basically when I was president, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff was where we were taking care of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was all all declining, and then when Biden took over,

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<v Speaker 2>it got a lot worse, No, the rate of finnyl use,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in Finyl related deaths in particular rose every single

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<v Speaker 2>year of Trump's presidency, every single year anyway, Trump promises

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<v Speaker 2>no mercy to the cartels and that he will designate

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<v Speaker 2>the major Ones foreign terrorist organizations with the goal of

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<v Speaker 2>cutting off their access to global financial systems. Incidentally, this

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<v Speaker 2>would provide a pretext to basically charging every drug user,

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not their drugs had anything to do with

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<v Speaker 2>a cartel, with material support of a terrorist organization, and

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<v Speaker 2>thus allow night marrish penalties for people caught dealing weed

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<v Speaker 2>or LSD or whatever, on the justification that they're aiding

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<v Speaker 2>the cartels with whom we are at war. Trump also

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<v Speaker 2>states that he will ask Congress to pass legislation to

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<v Speaker 2>allow the death penalty for quote drug smugglers and human traffickers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>He's made similar statements around drug dealers in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's how this particular rant on the Agenda forty seven

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<v Speaker 2>website ends. The drug cartels and their allies and the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration have the blood of countless millions on their hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Millions and millions of families and people are being destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>When I am back in the White House, the drug

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<v Speaker 2>king and vicious traffickers will never sleep soundly again. We

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<v Speaker 2>did it once, and we did it better than anyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>There's never been a better border than we had just

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<v Speaker 2>two years ago. It was strong, it was powerful, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was respected all over the world. And now we're

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<v Speaker 2>laughed at all over the world. And we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to let that happen much longer. We have to take over.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to be tough, and we have to be smart,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to be fair. But if we don't do

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<v Speaker 2>something immediately, our country is gone. Now that's all ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>but it behooves us to look into the origins of

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<v Speaker 2>this particular violent fantasy. When President Trump was still in office,

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<v Speaker 2>he repeatedly floated variations of a single idea using US

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<v Speaker 2>missiles to destroy so called drug factories, specifically those producing

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<v Speaker 2>either fentanyl or methamphetamine. Obviously, cartels do operate sizable facilities

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<v Speaker 2>and where they prepare drugs for smuggling and sale. They

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<v Speaker 2>have places where they cut fentanyl, which generally comes from elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>into other drugs, or make it into pills, etc. And

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<v Speaker 2>they've got places where meth is cooked. Obviously, so as

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<v Speaker 2>best as the New York Times has been able to trace.

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<v Speaker 2>His obsession with military action against Mexico seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>started in late twenty nineteen. So while the coronavirus is spreading,

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<v Speaker 2>our president, rather than focusing on a response, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of obsessed with the fentanyl crisis, which is serious. But

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<v Speaker 2>his way of dealing with it was to hold these constant,

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<v Speaker 2>large oval office meetings that people absolutely had to attend.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote some part tennsis from the New York Times. Some

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<v Speaker 2>participants felt the meetings were of little use because officials

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<v Speaker 2>tended to perform for mister Trump, and he would perform

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<v Speaker 2>for them. And that does put the fun idea in

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<v Speaker 2>my head of Donald Trump and a bunch of friends

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<v Speaker 2>all dancing about like, I don't know whatever kind of

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<v Speaker 2>animal you would train to dance. I'm spacing on that

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<v Speaker 2>right now. So why don't we just roll to ads

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<v Speaker 2>for a second. Well, I think of animals. We're back

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<v Speaker 2>to continue that quote from the New York Times. When

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of military intervention was brought up at one

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<v Speaker 2>such meeting, mister Trump turned to Brett Geroor, who was

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<v Speaker 2>there in his role as the US Assistant Secretary for Health.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Gerrore was also a four star admiral in the

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<v Speaker 2>Commission Corps of the US Public Health Service, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing his dress uniform. His main point was that

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<v Speaker 2>the United States was unable to combat the crisis with

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<v Speaker 2>treatment alone. According to a person briefed on his comments,

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<v Speaker 2>it was clear from the way mister Trump singled out

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<v Speaker 2>mister Gerror that he had mistakenly thought he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the military because of his dress uniform. According to two

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<v Speaker 2>participants in the meeting, mister Geror, in his response, suggested

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<v Speaker 2>putting lead to target. The two participants recalled that seems likely.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerroor denies this right. He claims, well, the President knows

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<v Speaker 2>me really well. We met all the time. He would

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<v Speaker 2>never mistake me for a soldier. And like, sure, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>For one thing, I totally believe he could meet with

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<v Speaker 2>Trump regularly and Trump not remember him. But also, it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sounds assume I mean again, and these are

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<v Speaker 2>all maybe not the best sources, but assume the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are like he said we should put lead to

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<v Speaker 2>target are telling the truth. That sounds to me like

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<v Speaker 2>this guy wearing his uniform because he knows it'll impress.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was also trying to use military metaphors because he

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe was just trying to have this impact

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<v Speaker 2>on Trump, right, make Trump think of him as like

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<v Speaker 2>a military official giving advice. There's some claims that people

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<v Speaker 2>in the administration were so concerned about this and were

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<v Speaker 2>so terrified that like Trump might actually attack Mexico that

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<v Speaker 2>they asked Jeror to stop wearing his uniform to meetings,

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<v Speaker 2>basically being like, he's hypnotized by this shit man, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you dress like a soldier, he'll take you seriously

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<v Speaker 2>when you say this crazy bullshit. Anyway, at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time this is all going on, Attorney General William Barr

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<v Speaker 2>had also started floating the idea to the President that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the United States should consider carrying out some attacks

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico to kill cartel guys to stop the fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>His argument though, was not so much that we should

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but that if we threaten Mexi with military action,

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<v Speaker 2>that will force the Mexican government to be more aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>against the cartels. Now, William Barr is not a guy

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<v Speaker 2>I consider very smart, and this is in fact a

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<v Speaker 2>dumb idea because like Mexico's government has tried a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of different ways to fight the cartels. They haven't destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>them right now. The current president of Mexico is is

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<v Speaker 2>more on the left, and he has a policy described

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<v Speaker 2>as hugs not bullets, right, which is not using the

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<v Speaker 2>stick to fight the drug cartels. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>that hasn't been tried. The Mexican government and the Mexican

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<v Speaker 2>military have carried out a number of very high intensity

0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.000
<v Speaker 2>operations against cartels over the years. It's just like, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>The cartel problem is a massive, massive, complicated thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that like, if we threaten Mexico, they'll finally

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<v Speaker 2>do it kind of understates the degree to which Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>is capable of ending this epidemic or ending this problem

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<v Speaker 2>right of somehow taking back this territory and rendering the

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<v Speaker 2>cartels unable to function. I don't actually know that they are,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know that. I certainly wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>that the current president's plan is working. But no one

0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.040
<v Speaker 2>else has stopped them either, so I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Barr is rather silly when he thinks that it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a matter of threatening Mexico with an invasion that'll

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<v Speaker 2>force him to take care of this shit. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know that they have the ability to do that

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<v Speaker 2>either way. So for his part, Barr does not seem

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<v Speaker 2>to have actually wanted at military action in Mexico. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>he's thinking that the threat will do the trick. And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, when Trump pushed back that like, well, maybe

0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.000
<v Speaker 2>we could just shoot some missiles into Mexico, Barr pushed

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<v Speaker 2>back on this and was like, well, if we fire,

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<v Speaker 2>missiles will hit, we might hit the wrong target, right, Basically,

0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.160
<v Speaker 2>civilian casualties you know, could happen, so we should avoid that.

0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And that really kind of showcases how fucking dangerous someone

0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.440
<v Speaker 2>like Barr is because his plan is he's thinking he's

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<v Speaker 2>playing forty chess or whatever. It's like, yeah, you know,

0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the Mexican government will get scared and they'll take care

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<v Speaker 2>of these cartels for us. But when you start floating

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<v Speaker 2>that adu to a guy named Trump, he's gonna be like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just shoot him with missiles. And you may you

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<v Speaker 2>may push back against that initially, but when your stupid

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<v Speaker 2>plan to bully Mexico into destroying the cartel's doesn't work

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<v Speaker 2>because they can't or because they don't want to be bullied,

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<v Speaker 2>then what where are you, right, you can't step down

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. You can't back off once you've threatened

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<v Speaker 2>to bomb them, right, because if you threaten to attack

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't do shit and then you just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like back off, you're gonna look weak. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the worst thing in the world to these people. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's certainly not going to accept something like that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>part of why, like what bar was doing here is

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<v Speaker 2>just like incredibly irresponsible. Just with a guy like Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't pull that shit. So this means again that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, if this kind of process goes on,

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<v Speaker 2>if Trump wins office, if he's to carry out something

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<v Speaker 2>like what Bar was suggesting or something like what yourr

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<v Speaker 2>was suggesting, at some point, Trump's kind of need to

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<v Speaker 2>use military assets to strike Mexico if only save face.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the safest thing for him to use would

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<v Speaker 2>be missiles to basically fire missiles, you know, guided missiles

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<v Speaker 2>at factories or whatever making drugs. This avoids risking US servicemen,

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly avoids the risk of them getting captured. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna quote from the New York Times against here,

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<v Speaker 2>at least twice during twenty twenty, mister Trump privately asked

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<v Speaker 2>as Defense Secretary mister Esper about the possibility of sending

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<v Speaker 2>patriot missiles into Mexico to destroy the drug labs and

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<v Speaker 2>whether they could blame another country for it. Patriot missiles

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<v Speaker 2>are not the kind that would be used. They are

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<v Speaker 2>surface to air weapons, but mister Trump had had a

0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.400
<v Speaker 2>habit of colleg all missiles patriot missiles. According to two

0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.920
<v Speaker 2>former senior administration officials, I just find that fuddy, like, man,

0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you are the you're the commander in chief, and you

0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like you don't even know that. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>I don't expect the President to say, like I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to fire this exact version of missile. You know,

0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.200
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe a little more granular than is necessary for

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<v Speaker 2>him to know. But like you should know that patriot

0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 2>missiles don't get fired at ground targets. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. They're kind of a major part of like

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<v Speaker 2>our military or min anti missile defense. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>just very silly of him. All this nonsense came to

0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a head for the first time in twenty twenty when,

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<v Speaker 2>during one of these interminable fentanyl meetings, Trump looked over

0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.200
<v Speaker 2>to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and asked, can we blow

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<v Speaker 2>up these drug labs with a missile and make it

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<v Speaker 2>look like another country did it? Now? That's you know, bad? Right? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>It brings up a lot of questions, namely like what

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<v Speaker 2>other country is in a position to fire missiles into Mexico?

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<v Speaker 2>Right Like, if you're saying, oh, it wasn't US, are

0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.639
<v Speaker 2>you say it's Canada because they'd have to kind of

0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.320
<v Speaker 2>cross a lot of space to do that. He's saying

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<v Speaker 2>Guatemalas firing missiles into Mexico because it doesn't really seem

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<v Speaker 2>like a Guatemala move. You know, who are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to blame? Thankfully? Esper was one of those rare Trump

0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>appointees who possessed a basic minimal capacity for rational thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and we never, thankfully got the answer to the question

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<v Speaker 2>what would have had happened if he'd fired a missile

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<v Speaker 2>into Mexico. Esper argued against the idea, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about it in his memoir, which I have an

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<v Speaker 2>issue with. He's one of these guys who, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we should have noted about that when it happened, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than waiting for your fucking book. But people got to

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<v Speaker 2>get paid, I guess reactions from Mexico to these revelations

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<v Speaker 2>about Trump considering missiling them and now the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he's got on his website like our plan is to

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<v Speaker 2>use military assets to attack the cartels. Reactions from Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>have been pretty universally negative for reasons I probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to elaborate on. President Lopez Obrador told reporters in March, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>this initiative of the Republicans, besides being irresponsible, is an

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<v Speaker 2>offense to the people of Mexico, a lack of respect

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<v Speaker 2>to our independence, to our sovereignty. If they do not

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<v Speaker 2>change their attitude and think they are going to use

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico for their propaganda, their electoral and political purposes, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to call for not voting for this party

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<v Speaker 2>because it is interventionalist and human, hypocritical and corrupt. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know he's wrong there. I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>ability the president of Mexico has to shift votes in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. But you know, it is interesting. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't often hear a world leader, specific particularly not of

0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.159
<v Speaker 2>the US's largest trading partners, say that they're going to

0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 2>take sides in an election, not that openly at least,

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 2>but you know who never takes sides except for your side,

0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.440
<v Speaker 2>because they're always on your side. The products and services

0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:39.040
<v Speaker 2>that support this podcast and or program, we're back. So

0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the opposition candidate in next year's Mexican presidential elections also

0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.600
<v Speaker 2>made a statement that was it was a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more moderated than obradors, but it belittled Trump's comments about

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<v Speaker 2>using military force on Mexico and stated, rather than threats,

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.560
<v Speaker 2>we should work in a smart way. So nobody's really

0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:02.520
<v Speaker 2>happy with this down in Mexico. Not surprising to see why. Meanwhile,

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.159
<v Speaker 2>in US politics, conservatives are now falling over themselves to

0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>justify military intervention in Mexico. As soon as Trump adopts this,

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it now becomes basically the standard Republican line that we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be sending our special forces guys in to

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 2>fight the fucking cartels. I'm not going to go over

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<v Speaker 2>a laundry list of all the dumbfucks who have embraced

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.159
<v Speaker 2>this crap idea, but I do want to read one

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<v Speaker 2>quote from an ABC News article quote House Oversight Committee

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<v Speaker 2>Chairman James Comer, Republican Kentucky, on Tuesdays said that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a mistake that then President Donald Trump did not

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<v Speaker 2>bomb meth labs in Mexico after he had reportedly asked

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.119
<v Speaker 2>his defense secretary about the possibility. In twenty twenty, One

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<v Speaker 2>of the things we learned post Trump presidency is that

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<v Speaker 2>he had ordered a bombing of a couple fentanyl labs

0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.760
<v Speaker 2>crystal meth labs in Mexico just across the border, and

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, the military didn't do it. Comer said

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<v Speaker 2>on Fox and Friends, I think that was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to discuss for a second how impossible

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it is for this plan to work. Noted earlier, there

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<v Speaker 2>are drug labs in Mexico, quite a few of them,

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<v Speaker 2>making a variety and not just making but in many

0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 2>cases taking drugs that come from elsewhere and basically packaging

0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 2>them in a way that they can be sold or smuggled.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, those facilities certainly exist, but they are not

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<v Speaker 2>like the large centralized factories that I don't know, like

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a military rival would used to produce tanks. Right, most

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.240
<v Speaker 2>of this work, even if it is currently being done

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<v Speaker 2>in a sizable facility, can be done in smaller facilities

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and can be moved pretty readily. And again, it's just

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 2>not very intelligent to think that you can cripple this

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<v Speaker 2>the same way you can cripple an enemy's ability to

0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 2>produce missiles or tanks. And even then that's not easy.

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 2>We're actually really bad at it. We've repeatedly during wars

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 2>bombed countries to attempt to destroy their ability to produce

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.119
<v Speaker 2>munitions and failed to really do that to a substantial extent.

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<v Speaker 2>And so something like the narcotics industry, which is even

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<v Speaker 2>more underground, even more hard to identify by nature of

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, it's it's a big ask on the surface. Right.

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.719
<v Speaker 2>It's also worth laying out why it's dumb as hell

0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 2>to conflate drug cartels with ISIS, because a big part

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 2>of why Trump, how Trump thinks things are going to go,

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 2>is like, well, Isis took over Raka, took over Mosel,

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and then we beat them up, you know, we kick

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<v Speaker 2>the crap out of them, We destroyed ISIS. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>he I think, that's literally what he thinks happens, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's certainly what he wants his voters to think happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not really what happened. Right when the physical

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 2>caliphate was liberated, ISIS went underground, and they are still

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 2>there and still have the potential to take in whold

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.679
<v Speaker 2>territory again. ISIS attacks in both Iraq and Syria have

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>been raising steadily for years. There's a lot of reasons

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 2>for this. Big part of why things have gotten worse

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 2>in Syria is that the Biden administration has done fuck

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<v Speaker 2>all to stop the Turkish government from attacking the autonomous

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.920
<v Speaker 2>region Rojava. Who are the folks who defeated ISIS in Syria,

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 2>and that has degraded their capacity to keep a fucking

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 2>little things. So number one, this victory he claims, wasn't

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>a total victory. And number two, the reason why ISIS

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 2>was knocked out of you know, Mosl and knocked out

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 2>of most of their territorial claims in a fairly short

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 2>period of time was because of a couple of things.

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Number One, the US was providing support, but we were

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 2>not carrying out either operation on our own in both

0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Iraq and Syria. We were supporting other extant militant groups

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 2>that had a long history and a decent amount of

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.760
<v Speaker 2>support in the region, right And number two, and maybe

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>you could make the claim that that's the case with the

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Mexican army, But the other aspect is that ISIS were

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.959
<v Speaker 2>not guys who had been in charge for forever in

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 2>that region and had deep bases. Most of them were foreigners,

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and they were foreigners who had very quickly taken urban

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 2>areas and then started running them like dog shit. Cartels

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 2>have existed for a lot longer. They have effectively and

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.200
<v Speaker 2>do effectively rule large chunks of Mexico and have done

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.680
<v Speaker 2>so for longer than ISIS has existed. They have deep

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.879
<v Speaker 2>networks of local ties and in many areas, a reputation

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<v Speaker 2>for providing services better than the Mexican government has done.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't say this to whitewash how horrible these organizations are,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are not ISIS, which just came up seemingly

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere, took over a bunch of cities and

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>then got fucking kicked out, and you know, never had

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<v Speaker 2>a huge base of support among the populace, particularly in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>because again there were just some assholes who showed up

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<v Speaker 2>one day as opposed to the cartels, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially once the US starts bombing Mexico and killing Mexican civilians,

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 2>which will happen anytime we're bombing them, just the idea,

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the amount of support it could potentially build for the

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking cartels is substantial. But even beyond that, the idea

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 2>that you could knock these beat people out easily, they're not. Again,

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>they have a deep base of support, a deep history

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 2>in these areas. They have functioned for a long time,

0:24:55.840 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 2>not just running things, but also constantly fighting against a

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>military and the government that has a degree of capacity

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 2>and technology at its back. So the idea that like,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you're just going to be able to kick these guys

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<v Speaker 2>out of whatever, Sonora, the way that you know isis

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 2>was quote unquote kicked out of mosl It's fanciful, right,

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a farce. Now, speaking of farces, I

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about kind of the the thing that

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>we should all see as the model for what might

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>actually how it would actually work if Trump tried to

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 2>go into Mexico to take out the cartels. And this

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 2>brings me back to Afghanistan. Right during Trump's administration, the

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Department of Defense was empowered by the president to use

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>vastly more force and their attempts to destroy Taliban drug labs. Obviously,

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Taliban funded a lot of their war effort with the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>sale of opium, you know, heroin, whatever, and it was,

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, believed that if we can cut, if we

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 2>can destroy their ability to grow and process this stuff,

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>we can cut the lake out from underneath the Taliban.

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>And Trump really bought into this and allowed the DoD

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to accelerate their efforts to do this. Our forces started

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>carrying out a mix of air strikes and special operations

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>attacks on Taliban drug labs in twenty seventeen. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the same plan that they executed that Trump is pushing

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 2>for the United States to use in Mexico and in Afghanistan.

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>This plan was such an abysmal failure that not only

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<v Speaker 2>did it not stop drug production, it actually accelerated the

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 2>production of opiates in fucking Afghanistan at the highest level

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>in recorded history. This program failed so badly that the

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Pentagon ended their strikes on drug labs in twenty nineteen.

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 2>They gave up in two years because they didn't couldn't

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>do it. They were bad at it. Now, the fact

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 2>that this kind of plan that Trump is pushed would

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<v Speaker 2>undeniably fail to actually destroy the cartels to stop drugs

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and human trafficking across the border, this does not mean

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 2>that it would actually be a failure. For the reasons

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 2>that Trump and many of the Republicans wanted to fail,

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>which is that declaring war on cartels allows them to

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>justify a major power grap and destroy or in the

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>lives of US citizens they already see as enemies. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to say that this is more serious

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>than the lives that will be lost in Mexico. It

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>certainly not. But this is very serious as well. Last October,

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>a think tank, the Center for Renewing America, published a

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>policy paper with the fun title It's Time to Wage

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.199
<v Speaker 2>War on Transnational Drug Cartels. Paper makes it clear that

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>illegal immigration is just as much a priority as fentanel

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>in carrying out these actions, and in fact, it lists

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the goals of this planned military policy in Mexico this way.

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Number one, ending the illegal flow of people trafficking victims

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and drugs across the southern border. Now, the paper suggests

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>creating a new classification that is similar but different to

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>foreign terrorist organization for the cartels. It lists a series

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 2>of escalatory stages that Trump's administration should take, starting with

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>putting pressure on the Mexican government to take care of

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 2>things themselves, and since the Mexican government is not really

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>capable at president of ending a present of ending either

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>migration or drug cartels. Escalation is inevitable. So after this

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 2>phase fails, phase two is to have the President start

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 2>deploying military units, initially to interdict the coast, but also

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>to coordinate with the DEA to target and kill cartel

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>figures and destroy their assets. US ports will be closed

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.719
<v Speaker 2>whenever the number of illegal immigrant apprehensions that the border

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>increases past a certain level. Right, So they are also saying,

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and again you get the feeling from this paper. While

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Trump always harps on the drugs and the horror is

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a fentanyl, it's very clear from this paper there is

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>concerned and if not more concerned about the fact that

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>non white people are entering the country quote well costly

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to the economy. This closing sorts would incentivize the Mexican

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>government to crack down on human smugglers, migrant caravans, and

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>cartel trafficking networks. Now into the fourth and final phase

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 2>of this plan, the US government would basically carry out

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>a full scale invasion of parts of Mexico in order

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to defeat cartels and secure the border. At no point

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>are there any suggestions made as to how this might

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 2>be done, or why it would be more successful than

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the attempts that failed in Afghanistan. Instead, they just move

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>right onto the last phase, the victory phase, which includes

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 2>these suggestions. Congress should enact legislation that creates enhanced penalties

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>for US citizens found guilty of collaborating with the cartels.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Punishment should include mandatory minimum federal sentencing of fifteen years

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>in prison for working with cartels labeled as transnational criminal organizations,

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and mandatory minimum sentencing of twenty five years in prison

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>for working with cartels labeled under the new Cartel statutory guidelines.

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Congress should enact legislation that defines material and financial supports

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>for the cartels designated under the new statutory framework has

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:05.719
<v Speaker 2>tantamount to engaging in terrorism against the United States. This

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 2>basically means, depending on how this is written, it could

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>mean that doing drugs, possessing drugs, having friends who sell

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 2>or use drugs could mean that you're committing terrorism by

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>supporting the cartels. It is not impossible that that is

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 2>how this law these laws should they be actually put

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>on the books. Ever, should this program be enacted, That's

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>not impossible that that's how it would be interpreted and

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't they want to write this would allow them

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>to lock up a shitload of people that they see

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>as being on the left. If you think back to

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Richard Nixon. A big reason why, and this is a

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>stated reason why, you know, the war on marijuana was escalated,

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>is that it lets you arrest the fucking hippies and

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>anti war protesters and put them in prison. You know,

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>that is a big part of what a lot of

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>people in Trump's orbit want to do with this. And

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I say that because the guy who wrote this fucking

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>thing is a dude named Kim Kochinelli is a major

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>anti left culture warfucker. One of his jobs under Trump

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 2>was he worked under Chad Wolfe, who was the illegally

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the director of the DHS during the twenty twenty uprising.

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>In September of twenty twenty, he ordered the intelligence branch

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>of the Department of Homeland Security to downplay threats by

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>white supremacists and instead focus on the danger of Antifa.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Under his watch, DHS also compiled and tel reports on

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>journalists in Portland, Oregon might have some issue with this

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>guy personally, and defended the abduction by federal agents of

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 2>civilians in unmarked vehicles, right, you know, when people were

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>being abducted off the streets of Portland. He was a

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>big fan of that. Ken Guchinelli really likes that idea.

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>He is also essentially a white nationalist himself. In August

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 2>of twenty nineteen, he announced a revised regulation to go

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 2>into effect October fifteenth, twenty nineteen, that expanded the public

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 2>charge requirements for legal immigration, made it harder to get

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>green cards and visas if you were poor. Basically, he's stopped.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>He made they basically, if we might need something like

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>food stamps, it's harder to get, you know, to immigrate

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>legally to the United States. He was asked, doesn't this

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of contradict, you know, that poem on the Statue

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>of Liberty about welcoming you know, poor and persecuted people.

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Kucinelli suggested a revision to the poem on the Statute

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of Liberty, on the Statue of Liberty, give me you're

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.719
<v Speaker 2>tired and you're poor, who can stand on their own

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>two feet and who will not become a public charge,

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's cool. He also made a point that

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the poem referred to European immigrants, so you know, fuck

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>those non white people, right, you know, like the poem

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>was never meant for them. He's a fucking nazi, right,

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>He's a white nationalist at the very least, like kN

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Kuchinelli is the kind of person that a decent society

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>would google what the Romans did with the Tarpaian rocks

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 2>when they had someone who was a trader to their system,

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's what should happened to Ken Cucinelli. But instead

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to get the US military to invent Mexico.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>So that's good anyway, that's a Trump's Agenda forty seven

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 2>policy on the cartels. I hope you all had a

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun anyway, Bye.

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