WEBVTT - Exoskeletons: How's it coming?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Clark, that continuously, endlessly ill Josh Clark reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand Tennish nine. What's craziest, dude? I take such

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<v Speaker 1>good care of myself though I drink so much juice,

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<v Speaker 1>like fresh juice. You mean I juice almost every day. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean you're in penetrable to sickness and viruses.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I don't smoke cigarettes at all. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean you can't get a virus. Um. No, it should,

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<v Speaker 1>it should. I am like a fortress here, man. I

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<v Speaker 1>exercise a lot. I like I spray lice all in

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<v Speaker 1>my face three times a day. That's probably what did it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's lurksome. I know. I feel bad for

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<v Speaker 1>you anyway, that's me. Chuck's fine. This is Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant that you did across from me. He's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a biddle. And something I noticed about Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>today was a little stirring. Chuck is the spinning image

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<v Speaker 1>for Tony Stark. Please do you look exactly like Tony Stark?

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<v Speaker 1>Like Robert Downey Jr. No, you do. You've got the

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<v Speaker 1>hair like eight Robert Downey you have. You've got the hair,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the facial hair, You've got them, the glowing chest,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the whole thing going on. All right For

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<v Speaker 1>the uninitiated, UM, Tony Stark is iron Man. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire industrialist, iron man, philanthropist. Yeah, and that was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>just said to introduce our topic. That is not true.

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<v Speaker 1>I patted you on the shoulder and reminded you that

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<v Speaker 1>you looked like Tony Stark before we were ever recording. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are talking about exoskeletons, which is the Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Man suit for all practical purposes, is an exo skeleton? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because one thing I learned reading this article is that

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<v Speaker 1>an exo skeleton is also known as a wearable robot,

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<v Speaker 1>which falls under the category of human augmentation. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the Japanese versions of that, the how

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<v Speaker 1>one that we're going to talk about. I saw some

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<v Speaker 1>video today that they had one that was in the

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<v Speaker 1>color of the Iron Man suit. Is that right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they're going to do that at some point, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but I well, did you see the one on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the page zero of this article. It's awesome. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. It's like an army exo skeleton and next

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<v Speaker 1>to it's as future soldier and there's a little there's

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<v Speaker 1>nice track lighting above it. For some reason, play more

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<v Speaker 1>with claymore. Jeez, that was grim. Um well okay, sorry

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<v Speaker 1>but still grim. Okay. Um, yeah, I saw some exo

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<v Speaker 1>skeleton videos too that we're pretty awesome. It's pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>where we're at right now. Yeah, because this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is not new, but it turns out the U. S Military,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon has been like, give us an exo skeleton,

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<v Speaker 1>we want one bad. It's like the six these and

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much NonStop. People have been trying to do this

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<v Speaker 1>and we're finally getting to the point now where they're

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<v Speaker 1>becoming viable. So it's awesome. It is awesome. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the history of this. Like we're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>an exoskeleton is a wearable robot um it's also human augmentation.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't confuse it for armor because armor is

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<v Speaker 1>not really augmenting anything. It's protecting. Although an exoskeleton would

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<v Speaker 1>um customarily be provide some sort of protection like armor,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a distinction between the two. Yeah, although these that

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<v Speaker 1>they're making now don't have any armament that I can see. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming though, yeah sure, yeah these other than protecting

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<v Speaker 1>its own systems, right yeah, but yeah, I guess if

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<v Speaker 1>your arm happens to be behind that, it's protecting it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It's a win win. So, like I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>let's um, this has been around for a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea or the Pentagon's quest for this, but um

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Bondser and Patrick Kiger point out that this idea

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to like the nineteenth century. Um, have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the steam man on the prairies of the Prairie? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen that? Yeah, it looked it up. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a robot WC. Fields, it does. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like that might have been the or actually that was PREWC. Fields.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, yeah, it's a big It was a book.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little Dime Dime Store novel in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight by Edward Sylvester Ellis. And uh, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big, giant W. C. Fields robot that pulled Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the creator of said robot in a little cart,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Brainerd like a rickshaw of sorts pulled by a

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<v Speaker 1>robot of sorts. Yeah, so really you could like it

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<v Speaker 1>into a robot more than a wearable robot. He was

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<v Speaker 1>basically a robot that pulled a cart. But for eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight for someone to be dreaming this stuff up

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<v Speaker 1>pretty remarkable. I say that the nineteenth century was a

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<v Speaker 1>had a deep pool of fantastic stick imagination agreed from

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<v Speaker 1>like the mid nineteenth century to like the thirties, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it all happened. I mean that's where it all

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<v Speaker 1>began at least, and then the seventies happened, and like

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<v Speaker 1>that was cool, Like we went back to it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But the nineteenth century to the thirties, it

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<v Speaker 1>was right there. Man. If they could have thought up

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<v Speaker 1>something like the Internet, they would have. And also, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can look up um the steam Man of the Prairies. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's images of them all over the Internet. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're interested in that kind of thing, the entire books

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<v Speaker 1>on Project Guttenberg. Cool. Yeah, not to check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm doing great work Steve Gutenberg these days. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's killing a project. I mean, who would have thought that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like post Police Academy, he would dedicate himself to something

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<v Speaker 1>like that noble um, I think some people might think

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<v Speaker 1>for serious. Uh So after that, let's flash forward a

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<v Speaker 1>bit to one. This is actually a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>before Iron Man. It's kind of remarkable. Even in sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three the Iron Man as a comic made its appearance. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if like this was and this inspired Iron Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It probably did. Probably so those Marvel guys, they had

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<v Speaker 1>their finger on the pulse of stuff. The Pentagon had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of proposals for the wear wearable robots and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The AP even reported on the quote Servo soldier, the

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<v Speaker 1>tom servos soldier, and uh, it was a human tank

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<v Speaker 1>equipped with power steering and power breaks, run faster, and

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<v Speaker 1>lift heavy objects, immune to germ warfare, poison gas, and

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<v Speaker 1>even a nuclear blast. Because that's the whole point. They're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking big. It's basically like, we need to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with some sort of outfit that a person can wear

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<v Speaker 1>that will help them be bigger, faster, stronger, jump higher,

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<v Speaker 1>punch harder. Yeah, what's astounding, chuck um is. Within just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years, Cornell scientists named Neil Meisen had

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<v Speaker 1>something that he called the Man amplifier that looks remarkably

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<v Speaker 1>similar to the stuff of today. Have you seen it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of reminded me of the um you saw Aliens, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>remember the little forklift thing. It sort of looked like

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<v Speaker 1>that on top, but the base of it instead of legs,

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<v Speaker 1>had like a tank caterpillar tracks like a tank. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see that part. Yeah, the ones I saw look

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<v Speaker 1>just like that exoskeleton from Aliens. That might have been

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<v Speaker 1>the Superman suit. I think it was the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>now that well, the Man amplifier that I saw from

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Science, it was like a machine tank track. That's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. But even so, it had the big, big

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<v Speaker 1>grabby robot arms. Yeah, crush killed Distroy whistles. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy Neil Misen had ad this the idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the concept down pretty quickly and pretty short order. Right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the only one. This kind of set off.

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<v Speaker 1>This Pentagon call for exoskeletons set off like a fervor.

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<v Speaker 1>Um g E came up with something called the the

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<v Speaker 1>pedipulatory pedipulator. You see that one. It looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>modular like you could hook something together. Yeah, it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a sort of like the cab that you ride

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<v Speaker 1>in look like a big one of the big bulldozer cabs, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it had but it had four legs and

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<v Speaker 1>actually walked. Did it have four legs? I saw so

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<v Speaker 1>the when I saw again, it looked like a um

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<v Speaker 1>An ad at right from the Empire st two legs. Yeah, interesting, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were strung together. There was like four of them,

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<v Speaker 1>four legs. No, I had to no, I had died four.

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<v Speaker 1>You're thinking of the Tanton. No, the Tanton is the

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<v Speaker 1>like the beast. No, the ad At was the big

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<v Speaker 1>four leggedge okay, not thinking of the smaller version that's

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<v Speaker 1>on two legs in the same scene. Just to act right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's Star Wars pans out there going it's

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<v Speaker 1>called and we're going to hear from. Yeah. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what that's called. Um, but you could. You could

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<v Speaker 1>combine these things in four and basically like a UM

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<v Speaker 1>human excess skeleton centipede. Yeah. But none of these to

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<v Speaker 1>me look like exoskeletons. They look like machines that you

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<v Speaker 1>sit in and ride. And I got okay. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>saw something that said this is Neil Mines and wearing

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<v Speaker 1>his man amplifier and it looks exactly like the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that they test out today. Yeah, well, good for him,

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<v Speaker 1>Good for Neil. I get the impression that he was

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of his time. So most of these things, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>of course he was out of his time. Uh ended

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<v Speaker 1>it like in somewhat of a dead end. Um. Why

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<v Speaker 1>there's some really good reasons why well, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons you would probably guess, which is its way

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<v Speaker 1>too com expensive. Computers aren't fast enough, especially in everything

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<v Speaker 1>is too heavy. The batteries. We can't design batteries that

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<v Speaker 1>will last long enough. It's like sort of the quest

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<v Speaker 1>with all technology is like you gotta make it affordable

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<v Speaker 1>and uh light enough to operate and you know call yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess suffordable, we cost effective, but all these things

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<v Speaker 1>and then technology is just a limits of technology. So

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<v Speaker 1>material science basically wasn't where it needed to be and

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<v Speaker 1>is only just now starting to get there. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the other big problems, one of the other big hurdles

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<v Speaker 1>with making a decent exoskeleton is the actuator, which are

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<v Speaker 1>them the little muscles that move, the electro mechanical muscles

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<v Speaker 1>that move in place of the human muscles. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're starting to get there. I mean, computing power is

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<v Speaker 1>getting smaller and more um more um portable and incredibly powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the word I was looking for. And wait

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<v Speaker 1>until we get into quantum computing. Man, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take off like a rocket. I'm sure, um we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Battery life is getting more portable, smaller, more durable, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently actuator science is really starting to come around.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that we have all the stuff in place.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently DARPA, the UM Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

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<v Speaker 1>a k A the Secret Area people. I think Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>Freeman heads up that division, is that right? Okay? So? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>What's his name? Somebody? Fox? The Fox? Didn't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even remember in the Batman movies. Yeah, I can't remember. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's read to me always um, but not Red Fox. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh. The DARPA was apparently well aware that this

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<v Speaker 1>the material science and computing power was starting to come around,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put out another call for exoskeletons, and this

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<v Speaker 1>one is starting to pay off, well, a call in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of seventy five million dollars worth of funding,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning hey, we can actually put a little dough towards

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<v Speaker 1>this and they said they started a division called the

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<v Speaker 1>Exoskeletons for Human Performance Augmentation, which doesn't spell anything cool. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of dropped the ball there, um. And they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted something that would accomplish five things. They had a directive.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted something that would, uh allow just a regular

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<v Speaker 1>soldier to carry like hundreds of pounds of gear without

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<v Speaker 1>much exertion. And this is one of the big applications.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not to fly around and shoot people like Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Man like a lot of it's kind of boring. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like lifting supplies all day long, doing the work of

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<v Speaker 1>three soldiers, basically loading missiles. Yeah, really heavy stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you might need a machine to do. You can now

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<v Speaker 1>get a man machine. Uh. The second thing they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>um to be able to handle heavy weapons that would

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<v Speaker 1>require two people. Now you can do it with one.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to be able to carry soldiers off the field,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a huge deal. Uh. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons my brother in law, who's a marine, says that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't allow women in combat it is because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you know, you need someone who can throw

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<v Speaker 1>a soldier over their back and trudge through the desert

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<v Speaker 1>for a day. If you need to. That's a common

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<v Speaker 1>obstacle that's thrown up against female firefighters as well. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. I'm all for equality, but you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>take care of the people. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a dangerous water show, no man, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all for it. If there's a woman who can throw

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<v Speaker 1>me on her back and carry me three miles through

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<v Speaker 1>the desert, I'm all for it. But just don't leave

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<v Speaker 1>me dying out there. Um. They wanted it to be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>impenetrable and impenetrable to gunfire, which is pretty key too.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the armor thing, the armor thing, and then finally

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<v Speaker 1>I think this was the little kid and all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted it to be able to jump really high,

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<v Speaker 1>really really high, just like and and make it jump

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<v Speaker 1>really high and say cool stuff. And there's actually, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something called the springtail exoskeleton flying vehicle. Have you

0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.800
<v Speaker 1>seen that one? Yeah? That I don't know about hovering

0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.079
<v Speaker 1>motionlessly thousands of feet in the air. I don't think

0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.440
<v Speaker 1>they're at that point yet. Yeah, and this didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>this was not even exo skeleton it No, it was

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<v Speaker 1>more like it was like a g I Joe. Um, machine.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not a jet pack either, which was in

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<v Speaker 1>this article. No, what it is is, um, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of turbines, kind of like two fans. Yeah, um

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<v Speaker 1>off to the side in a m with a ladder

0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in between. But so you're standing under like under a ladder,

0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.160
<v Speaker 1>which is just bad luck to begin with. And then

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<v Speaker 1>connected to the ladder are two turbines on each side

0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and you just hang on and you take off, which

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<v Speaker 1>again I don't think it's a combat exoskeleton, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would be very cool if your exoskeleton can fit inside.

0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.480
<v Speaker 1>So you run five hundred miles carrying five hundred pounds

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<v Speaker 1>for straight hours, and then you get in this thing

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<v Speaker 1>and fly off. I think that's that's where we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to head here. It's like a little personal helicopter at

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<v Speaker 1>this point though, Yeah, because I mean, if the company

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<v Speaker 1>can crack the this code, they can make all manner

0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.080
<v Speaker 1>of cool little things right and make them all compatible,

0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like and then tell the army like, collect all eight

0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.560
<v Speaker 1>but you have to buy the happy meal, and the

0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.640
<v Speaker 1>happy meal cost you. We should talk about Arcos, which

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<v Speaker 1>would later morph into Raytheon. They're one of the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>in the exoskeleton racket. Um guy named Steve Jacobsen is

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<v Speaker 1>the uh was the robot maker at Sarkos. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>is he still let raytheon? You know, I don't know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well he's what started it there though, and um he basically,

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<v Speaker 1>uh devised a system where sensors would detect these little

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<v Speaker 1>minute contractions in your own muscles, like if you go

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<v Speaker 1>to like grab something, your muscle is going to contract

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And uh, then there were a series

0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of valves which regulate the flow of this high pressure

0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.520
<v Speaker 1>juice to these joints. Those joints powered cylinders attached to

0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.280
<v Speaker 1>cables that were sort of like tendons, and he sort

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<v Speaker 1>of made a very basic mechanical version of how our

0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.560
<v Speaker 1>own muscles and tendons operate well, like an extension of

0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.280
<v Speaker 1>an augmentation of it, where basically these sensors go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you're but you let me and um,

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<v Speaker 1>you you you will pull your arm off if you

0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.520
<v Speaker 1>try to pick this up, But me, the exo skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>knows what you're trying to do. And then after I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>training for a few days in this thing, it just

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<v Speaker 1>becomes second nature. Yeah, did you see the Iron Man guy,

0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the dude from the movie No, I tested that video.

0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I was looking for it. The guy was Clark Gregg.

0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.280
<v Speaker 1>He was like the agent from the Avengers and the

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<v Speaker 1>Ironman movies. And uh, he tried this thing on and

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<v Speaker 1>like punched wood blocks and lifted these big weights and

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<v Speaker 1>did push ups and it was pretty remarkable. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. Yes, And they called this the XOS this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first prototype, and the x OS well that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually the x OS two nail Well that was Yeah,

0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the x OS was the first prototype. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the UM the Leading Edge, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Pentagon and Darker are putting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>funding behind Raytheon's UM x OS. Yeah, they predict by

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<v Speaker 1>they could have a tethered module, going, what does that mean?

0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.840
<v Speaker 1>That means it's tethered. Do I know what the other means?

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<v Speaker 1>That means it's attached to something like a cable, right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so like it's attached to a power source or something

0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 1>like that, something like that. UM, and then they're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>for a non tethered version and because I mean it's like, hey,

0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.160
<v Speaker 1>bad guys, come over here. Yeah exactly, I can't get you. Well,

0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the t other one would be fine for dudes like

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<v Speaker 1>loading trucks and things like that on day, but not

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<v Speaker 1>in what they call the theater of war, you know,

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.000
<v Speaker 1>by the way, Winston Churchill, Yeah, I think so. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we forgot to mention that flying vehicle thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That thing actually goes over a hundred miles an hour. Now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the XOS runs at least ten miles an hour.

0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.360
<v Speaker 1>And I remember reading that first and being like whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I think, oh, yeah, I can't run ten

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour at all. So this thing running ten

0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.119
<v Speaker 1>miles an hour. And the point here is it's in dire.

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.320
<v Speaker 1>It's because as long as its battery is charged, how

0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.520
<v Speaker 1>can we run. I mean you could run back get

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<v Speaker 1>up there, but for like ten seconds and then your

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<v Speaker 1>heart pops. I'm talking to myself. There's I mean ten

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour is Did you walk four miles an

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<v Speaker 1>hour if you walked pretty fast? No? Not typically, No,

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that's getting into speedwalking. We do not walk four miles

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<v Speaker 1>an hour like we walked maybe to two point five. Well,

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.040
<v Speaker 1>whenever I did hiking, we always based it on a

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<v Speaker 1>four mile an hour pace. That's really fast. I guess

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I was a champion hiker thing. I guess you were.

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.479
<v Speaker 1>I should have cut that up. You're like, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to do it on my hands. So, uh, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarkos turned into Raytheon, and then there's other competing firms

0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.359
<v Speaker 1>bought by Raytheon. What did I say, it turned into it?

0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a distinction. Then Berkeley Bionics is another company.

0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there, um Civilian Peacetime. They're basically helping out the

0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 1>people who can't walk under their own power any longer.

0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.920
<v Speaker 1>What they're getting really good at is uh, energy consumption solving,

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.199
<v Speaker 1>solving that problem and uh they had something called the

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<v Speaker 1>Human Load Carrier which ran for about twenty hours without

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 1>a recharge, which is a big deal. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big leap forward. Did you see there's another one um

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<v Speaker 1>Argo Medical Technologies has something called the rewalk there and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a hundred and fifty green which sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but at the same time, Um, if you're paralyzed,

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this thing lets you walk. Yeah, it's it's basically just

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical legs attached to your regular legs with a little

0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 1>backpack on for the power. Yeah, and it's based on

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<v Speaker 1>the segue. As far as like you lean forward and

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it walks forward. You lean back and it stops, which

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 1>is good because as long as you are as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you're not paralyzed, as long as you're you have

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<v Speaker 1>mobility from the waist up, I would think you'd be

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<v Speaker 1>able to use it because you leave above your waste

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that you're sparling. Yeah, and a lot. Actually we should

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<v Speaker 1>point out a lot of these exoskeletons that even the

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>army and the military are working on are Some of

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>them are just waist down. Some of them are made

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, punching and lifting and potentially flying and shooting.

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.959
<v Speaker 1>But they have a lot of waist down work too,

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.760
<v Speaker 1>which they said helps you like lift things anyway, because

0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to live with your legs, right, It just

0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 1>transfers the load to the ground. Um and yeah, we're

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.879
<v Speaker 1>also these don't look like um pants. They're not like

0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 1>just exoskeleton pants. Remember fleas um pants made of Teddy Bears.

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.399
<v Speaker 1>You don't remember this, you should look it up. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome. The bass player yeah from Red Hot Chili. Um.

0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:48.159
<v Speaker 1>They're they're just kind of like braces with maybe a

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.639
<v Speaker 1>foot yeah, that you just step into like you can

0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>step into these things. Yeah, it looks like sort of

0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 1>like a high tech leg bright So that's a good

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.800
<v Speaker 1>way to put it. Yeah, except it walks for you.

0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.640
<v Speaker 1>But pretty soon it's gonna look like an awesome suit

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 1>of r that you can like run and jump and

0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 1>just hover and just do all sorts of cool stuff.

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Like really, reading this, I was like, oh my gosh,

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this stuff is really good. Yeah, and

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>then you see the videos and you think, wow, I

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:13.919
<v Speaker 1>bet it's clunky. And then you see the video of

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's never walked get up out of a

0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.919
<v Speaker 1>chair and walk, and you think, man, I bet he

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't think it's clunky exactly because he's not trying to

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.359
<v Speaker 1>kill anybody. He's just trying to walk exactly. Now, we

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 1>just need to get the price down for the average

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>person who can't walk. Yeah, um, well, how much were

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 1>those a hundred and fifteen grand? A hundred and fifty

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>for the walk device? It's still not too bad, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying, especially if your instruental chip in

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<v Speaker 1>uh So, there's a company in Japan called Cyberdyne, and

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a name that James Cameron would make up.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's real. And they have made a real breakthrough

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of ways. One that they don't their

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<v Speaker 1>howl machine h a l um. I wonder if Kubrick

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.959
<v Speaker 1>was live. I'm sure he's tired of people naming everything.

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 1>How it's like enough already. Did you know someone impersonated him?

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they made a movie about it. Yeah, did

0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you see the movie. It wouldn't be great, but John

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Malkovic always great except in that movie. Um. So they

0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>made advances in a couple of ways. One is that

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't um require the muscle contractions anymore. They pick

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<v Speaker 1>up on your brain sensors, your electrical messages being sent

0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 1>from your brain. That's an enormous, huge breakthrough. Yeah, because

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>think about it, you don't have to have any mobility whatsoever.

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Like you could be Stephen Hawking and like run around

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and like pick up stuff and people and throw them.

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>If you can think it, you can do it. That

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.479
<v Speaker 1>should be their motto. And the other breakthrough is is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you saw the how it's like really streamlined

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 1>at this point. The Japanese for like robotic design. Yeah,

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's pretty sleek. Yeah, they know what they're

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 1>doing very much um, and now we can flash forward

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>all the way to two thousand ten. You know, it

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 1>would be really cool if they've made an exoskeleton, but

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.439
<v Speaker 1>they made it like look like an Andrew roid, so

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 1>you put on like this kind of rubbery face too,

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and like it it had facial expressions and things like that.

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be better than this, like really

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 1>cool suit to go into battle. Just terrorize anybody who

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 1>saw like this like weird plastic ee human like thing

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.679
<v Speaker 1>coming at you with like fifty caliber machine gun holding

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it like it's nothing. My guess is the way the

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>war is going down today. People are already pretty frightened

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>by these soldiers coming in I guess in the dark

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and have laser sightings. Yeah, I think you're probably frightened anyway.

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Even old timey war is probably very frightening. Maybe we

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 1>should not make it more frightening, now that I think

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. Okay, maybe we should make them look like

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 1>little lambs that explode on contact. Alright, so we're in

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>two thousand ten. Um, DARPA has made some serious headway. Now.

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Their suit weighs about fifty five pounds, which is like,

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I think this is the XOS is its two yeah,

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and uh, I can carry two hun pounds and with

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>no fatigue going on, like you said, ten miles an hour,

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:09.400
<v Speaker 1>can run and that's pretty impressive. I think it's an

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it's good enough, especially if the thing can run. Yeah,

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>because this thing is running for you. You're moving, but

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>you're just barely moving and you're not going to get

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>fatigued at running ten miles an hour. And I can imagine,

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:22.679
<v Speaker 1>like you can cover some ground in ten miles an hour.

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I think about this. You can cover ten miles in

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>one single hour. That's straight. That's true. That's a lot,

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 1>that's very true. Uh. Eventually they're gonna hook GPS systems

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>up to this. Um it says one of the uses

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>for soldiers would be to obtain info about approaching terrain.

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>So I guess they could send him out ahead or whatever.

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>My friend, have you seen Predator? Yeah, the first one.

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that's not going to be inserted

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>into this. This whole technology. The thermal thermal Yeah, thermal imaging.

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So you're just running along ten miles an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>you have been for twenty straight hours, and you're running

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<v Speaker 1>through say the desert, and you see everything thermally you're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be just fine. Yeah, that's a good point,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you can jump really high, uh, really really high. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're also working on some uh some computerized

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<v Speaker 1>fabric that they would wear that would like monitor all

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<v Speaker 1>your systems. So I guess the point there is it

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<v Speaker 1>would be light, Like I'm sure they can monitor your

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<v Speaker 1>systems now, but it probably too bulky, So you want

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<v Speaker 1>they're going, You're going to wear the computer as you

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<v Speaker 1>wear the robot. Pretty amazing. Yeah, And what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking like we're not very far off from this

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<v Speaker 1>ten fifteen years maybe, Yeah. And it's not all soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, they're using it a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>researches for people with spinal injuries and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So pacifists can get on board too, exactly rich pacifists. Um. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, like I came across a really

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<v Speaker 1>cool website called cybernetic zoo dot com. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>into like old timey popular sign and drawings of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like this school stuff this covered up in it, so

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend checking that out. You've got anything else

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<v Speaker 1>on next to skeletons, I want one. That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>got just give it a few years. Man, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get you one that looks like W. C. Fields, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Man on the Prairie. It looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>cross between W. C. Fields if w C. Fields mated

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<v Speaker 1>with the Jetsins Robot made. This is what this thing

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<v Speaker 1>would look like. Roxy Rosie, Rosie, I think so, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Rosie. Uh. Okay. If you want to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>this your mail time is mat Uh. This one's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a downer, but I feel like we should read

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's, you know, you need to get the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff out there. I'm gonna call it abusive grandparents. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this. Yeah. We we sort of made some

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<v Speaker 1>jokes in our time travel cast about the grandfather paradox,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, are the abusive grandparents because they're also sweet?

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<v Speaker 1>And there are, of course there are. It's very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we knew that. Yeah. Hey, guys, today I

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to the podcast and you brought up abuse

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<v Speaker 1>of grandparents. You both sounded like it was a tough

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<v Speaker 1>concept to swallow, and I agree it is that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing you to say that, yes, sadly, there are

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<v Speaker 1>abuse of grandparents. I was raised from the age of

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<v Speaker 1>five by my maternal grandmother, who was physically, mentally and

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally abusive most of my life. She was abusive to

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<v Speaker 1>every child who ever came to her house, her children, me,

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<v Speaker 1>her nieces and nephews. She herself was heavily abused as

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<v Speaker 1>a child by her mother and father that went on

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<v Speaker 1>to be married twice to abuse of husbands. Unfortunately, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't strong enough to break the cycle, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>she encouraged my own mother, her daughter, to hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>She kicked me out often, and at the age of twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sent to live with my dead beat father

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife for a summer. At fourteen, she kicked

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<v Speaker 1>me out to go live with my mother and her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived there for a few years, then back to

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother because her home was close from my school.

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks before my eighteenth birthday, she instructed my mother

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<v Speaker 1>to beat me because I stayed home from school to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the doctor for tonsilitis. I ran away that

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<v Speaker 1>day and never went back. I moved in with my

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<v Speaker 1>now husband and his parents, where I lived through the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my high school, senior year in college. It

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<v Speaker 1>has been ten plus years and I have no contact

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<v Speaker 1>with that grandmother. I've been in therapy for about four

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<v Speaker 1>of those years. And uh so I just wanted to say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there are abus of grandparents. Um. And in fact, knew

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<v Speaker 1>of another girl at my age who was also being

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<v Speaker 1>raised by interviews of grandmother, and that is Amanda in

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. And I wrote her and she said that

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<v Speaker 1>she has a nine month old girl and she is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the first one in the family to

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<v Speaker 1>break this cycle of abuse. Yeah. So sat all the

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<v Speaker 1>way around the grandmother that was abused and then had

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<v Speaker 1>abuse of husbands and then took that out on her

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<v Speaker 1>grandkids and nephews and daughters. And it's just the cycle

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<v Speaker 1>of abuses horrific and it's up to you to break it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, Amanda in North Carolina. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the candor. That's awesome. I agreed, and congratulations to break

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<v Speaker 1>into cycle. Um, well, let's see if you have a

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